New name for Covid 19 = "European virus"

[GoodLife]

Andrew Cuomo labels coronavirus the 'European virus' in latest press briefing (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-labels-coronavirus-the-european-virus-in-latest-press-briefing)

Since the spread of the virus to most of the USA came from traveling New Yorkers, we can make up a new name too.

Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html)

[manaboutown]

I am sticking with referring to it as the Chinese corona virus as it originated in China. In China last I heard they were referring to it as the Wuhan virus as it came from a lab in Wuhan.

[Velvet]

I am from Europe, I like the fact that no one country is being named, especially when we are still investigating the origin. It could be called “bat virus” if it did come from them.

[junction29]

Andrew Cuomo labels coronavirus the 'European virus' in latest press briefing (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-labels-coronavirus-the-european-virus-in-latest-press-briefing)

Since the spread of the virus to most of the USA came from traveling New Yorkers, we can make up a new name too.

Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html)

Since the majority of the virus appeared world wide where there were large ethnic Chinese populations celebrating Chinese New Year and travelling around the world visiting family, then the only thing we need to determine is whether China spread this around the world deliberately or accidentally 👿👿

[GoodLife]

I am from Europe, I like the fact that no one country is being named, especially when we are still investigating the origin. It could be called “bat virus” if it did come from them.

Please. Molecular biologists have sequenced the genome of the virus and can trace the minute variations to the time and place of the very first human infections. That place is Wuhan China and currently the earliest date so far is November 17, 2019. China did not alert the world that the virus was passing human to human until January 21, 2019. They locked down Wuhan January 23 but by then, 7 million people, many already infected, had already traveled throughout China and all over the world. See NYT video below. The only thing we "don't know" is whether the virus jumped from animal to human at a Wuhan wet market or if an accidental release or infection occurred at the Wuhan virus lab. WE will find out.

How the Virus Got Out The New York Times 22 Mars 2020 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGzGJp3K95o)

[Velvet]

Well, if we have to put it on people.... personally, I prefer to blame the bats. I understand the reason why we can’t eradicate this disease totally is because we can’t vaccinate the bats, even if we had a vaccine.

[ficoguy]

Actually, it was the Chinese tourists in Milan that caused the outbreak in Northern Italy. The wealthy like to come to Italy and fill up suitcases with fashion, jewelry and leather and they seeded the outbreak. Cuomo is Italian, so is he saying it should be called the Spaghetti virus?

[GoodLife]

Well, if we have to put it on people.... personally, I prefer to blame the bats. I understand the reason why we can’t eradicate this disease totally is because we can’t vaccinate the bats, even if we had a vaccine.

If it started at Wuhan wet market, I will blame the people who insist it's their right to continue eating bat soup and mixing live animals in cages stacked on top of each other which facilitates the viruses hoping from animal to human. This is not the first time.

Only problem with that theory is that the specific bat (horseshoe bat) lives in caves 600 miles from Wuhan and there are reports that none were ever kept at the wet market.

We do know that the Wuhan virus lab collected these bats and studied them in their lab.

[DDVeteran]

I prefer the scientific acronym, Covid-19. Anything else is just a nickname.

[Velvet]

I am reading a news source that says a 42 year old French fishmonger who was treated in December in Paris was tested and he was shown to have had Covid. He had not travelled and did not come in contact with people from China or Italy. They are investigating at this time. Also others too. I am not sure we are certain yet as to when this virus originated.

I think if we are too fixated on one idea, we may miss the real cause. It is nice to be able to point a finger, but I prefer to make sure we are pointing in the right direction.

[GoodLife]

I am reading a news source that says a 42 year old French fishmonger who was treated in December in Paris was tested and he was shown to have had Covid. He had not travelled and did not come in contact with people from China or Italy. They are investigating at this time. Also others too. I am not sure we are certain yet as to when this virus originated.

I think if we are too fixated on one idea, we may miss the real cause. It is nice to be able to point a finger, but I prefer to make sure we are pointing in the right direction.

The fishmonger story only shows the virus was circulating in France 1 month before authorities previously thought. He didn't have to travel or come into direct contact with someone from China or Italy. We know that 100s of thousands of Chinese traveled all over the world before they locked down. It's 100% sure that he had contact with a human carrier, possibly asymptomatic, and that human carrier had contact with another carrier etc etc. The original carriers all came from Wuhan China, it's been genetically traced.

[Velvet]

I’m not doubting it but just curious, how do they genetically trace the virus? Or determine the original carriers?

It doesn’t really make a great difference to me where it came from, still, it would be nice to know.

[GoodLife]

I’m not doubting it but just curious, how do they genetically trace the virus? Or determine the original carriers?

It doesn’t really make a great difference to me where it came from, still, it would be nice to know.

They study mutations in the virus genome, from when the virus first existed in bats, then hopped to humans and spread all over the world. Label them A through Z. This paper from April 30 had found 14 variations in the spike protein (mediates infection of human cells) and found unfortunately that the dominant strain of covid 19 is also the most infectious) This strain first developed in Europe as the virus mutated in different populations around the world, but it is derived from the original strain and outbreak in China.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf

[Bill32]

I’m not doubting it but just curious, how do they genetically trace the virus? Or determine the original carriers?

It doesn’t really make a great difference to me where it came from, still, it would be nice to know.

Everything I heard or read said it came from China, either the Wuhan lab or a wet market...what really p's me off is that instead of isolating it in Wuhan it was exported all over the world!! Intentionally? By accident? We don't know yet..I,m not a China apologist...

[GoodLife]

I prefer the scientific acronym, Covid-19. Anything else is just a nickname.

The "nicknames" are just political hijinks. Covid 19 is indeed the correct name, and we are certain it came from and started in China.

[manaboutown]

Actually, it was the Chinese tourists in Milan that caused the outbreak in Northern Italy. The wealthy like to come to Italy and fill up suitcases with fashion, jewelry and leather and they seeded the outbreak. Cuomo is Italian, so is he saying it should be called the Spaghetti virus?

Chinese companies had bought up much of the high end fashion manufacturers in Northern Italy. Nonstop flights from Wuhan to Rome had been established. The Chinese virus was brought to Italy from Wuhan.

[manaboutown]

I am from Europe, I like the fact that no one country is being named, especially when we are still investigating the origin. It could be called “bat virus” if it did come from them.

The intermediate horseshoe bats in which the virus came from range no closer than about 600 miles from Wuhan so they were probably in a Wuhan lab, not wild bats on the menu in Wuhan.

[Two Bills]

The intermediate horseshoe bats in which the virus came from range no closer than about 600 miles from Wuhan so they were probably in a Wuhan lab, not wild bats on the menu in Wuhan.

Rhino horn originates thousands of miles from China, but they have plenty of that floating around the country.
Most foods on our shelves are shipped thousands of miles from all over the word, so bats from 600 miles away, are practically home produce in Wuhan.
Just another way of looking at it.

[tvbound]

I am from Europe, I like the fact that no one country is being named, especially when we are still investigating the origin. It could be called “bat virus” if it did come from them.

Good point.

I find it discouraging, that so many people seem to have a need to put a label on everything, so that can determine who to align with or who/what to hate or denigrate.

Except snakes, of all kinds, as I don't care what name they have-I don't like them. lol

[chet2020]

Technically speaking, the virus is "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)." The disease you get from virus is "coronavirus disease (COVID-19)."

Many people incorrectly call the virus "COVID-19," but it's no big deal, everyone knows what you're talking about. I have to use the correct terminology because I'm in the drug development field. We generally just call it the "the virus."


Naming the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and the virus that causes it (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it#:~:text=ICTV%20announced%20%E2%80%9Csevere%20ac ute,on%2011%20February%202020).

[biker1]

Wrong. It is, however, important to understand the origin and who is responsible, either through action or inaction.

Good point.

I find it discouraging, that so many people seem to have a need to put a label on everything, so that can determine who to align with or who/what to hate or denigrate.

Except snakes, of all kinds, as I don't care what name they have-I don't like them. lol

[Rebel Pirate]

I am sticking with referring to it as the Chinese corona virus as it originated in China. In China last I heard they were referring to it as the Wuhan virus as it came from a lab in Wuhan.

Many people (especially on the political left) call people racist and xenophobic if they refer to COVID-19 as the Chinese virus. I've traveled in China and have great respect for the Chinese people and their culture...no hatred or animosity here.

So, I nominate CCP Virus (the Chinese Communist Party Virus) as a nickname for COVID-19, since it would have become a health care blip if not for the Chinese Communist Party.

[Aloha1]

I prefer the scientific acronym, Covid-19. Anything else is just a nickname.

Actually, that is NOT the scientific name. That would be SARS-COVI-2. But standard accepted nomenclature would identify it by it's origin point, hence Wuhan Virus.

[junction29]

Many people (especially on the political left) call people racist and xenophobic if they refer to COVID-19 as the Chinese virus. I've traveled in China and have great respect for the Chinese people and their culture...no hatred or animosity here.

So, I nominate CCP Virus (the Chinese Communist Party Virus) as a nickname for COVID-19, since it would have become a health care blip if not for the Chinese Communist Party.

I still can’t get my head around whether China’s Communist government deliberately let this virus spread around the world - even with the massive lockdown that was apparently forced on the citizens of Wuhan, the infected numbers in China (even with their secrecy and lies) and the economic damage there, compared to the countries in the West (Europe and the US), are unbelievably small, given their huge population and population density. 👿👿
The ONLY winner, which ever way you look at it, in this terrible pandemic is China 👿👿 - WHY?

[manaboutown]

I still can’t get my head around whether China’s Communist government deliberately let this virus spread around the world - even with the massive lockdown that was apparently forced on the citizens of Wuhan, the infected numbers in China (even with their secrecy and lies) and the economic damage there, compared to the countries in the West (Europe and the US), are unbelievably small, given their huge population and population density. 👿👿
The ONLY winner, which ever way you look at it, in this terrible pandemic is China 👿👿 - WHY?

As I understand it the ChiCom government isolated Wuhan from the rest of the country but continued to allow international flights out of Wuhan which of course spread the virus around the world.

In many, many ways the ChiComs are benefitting from all of this. Losing some people as a consequence means nothing to them.

[DDVeteran]

I'm sure the Spaniards aren't happy with the 1918 pandemic commonly called the Spanish Flu. It unlikely originated there.
It kinda like getting a hurtful nickname as a child and it sticks.

[DDVeteran]

There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
There’s a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

There’s battle lines being drawn
Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it’s time we stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It’s time we stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down
Stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down
Stop, now, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down
Stop, children, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down

[Hayek1957]

Chinese companies had bought up much of the high end fashion manufacturers in Northern Italy. Nonstop flights from Wuhan to Rome had been established. The Chinese virus was brought to Italy from Wuhan.

There are many Chinese nationals working in Italy in the fashion and apparel industries. This enables the manufactured articles to be labeled “Made in Italy” when they are crafted by Chinese nationals.

I am sure this arrangement contributed to the spread of Covid 19.

[Hayek1957]

I'm sure the Spaniards aren't happy with the 1918 pandemic commonly called the Spanish Flu. It unlikely originated there.
It kinda like getting a hurtful nickname as a child and it sticks.

Because Spain was not deeply involved in WWI, they reported actual fatality numbers whereas other nations, still recovering from the devastation of WWI were reluctant to report actual fatalities. The other nations did not want to appear to be weakened due to lack of available military aged males. The 1918 Pandemic was particularly effective in killing the young and healthy.

Once again, the 1918 Pandemic may have originated in China but was introduced into the U.S. through returning military members via Kansas.

[ficoguy]

I like then name "Kung Fu Flu"