Katie Belle's Will Not Reopen

[Kahuna32162]

According to an article in the "other" online news source, Katie Belles will not be reopened by The Villages. Will you miss it?

[champion6]

Reported in today's Daily Sun. The end of an era. Some will be sad. Others won't miss it.

[Stu from NYC]

Is it for good or just for now? Article was a bit confusing about that.

[Rotaryhook2]

Wow. They revamped it and now it's going to close.

[JSR22]

sad news that they are permanently closed. I had a number of great times there.

[raynan]

Very sad about Katie Belles and no news on reopening Hacienda Hills CC either.

[karostay]

Just another broken promise
Remember when you took your fist tour of the Villages
Katie Bells was touted as this YOUR entertainment spot and restaurant

[JSR22]

Very sad about Katie Belles and no news on reopening Hacienda Hills CC either.

Hacienda Hills has been closed over a year. Doesn't look good for a reopening.

[gatorbill1]

Was never the same when they moved it upstairs. Loved it when it was villagers only downstairs. Used to go there for lunch - never opened upstairs for lunch. Won't be missed here.

[retiredguy123]

I won't miss it because it was way too loud.

[Chopper]

The Daily Sun also had the closure information.

[davem4616]

saddened to read this, as we too have enjoyed taking out-of-town visitors to KB's for dinner and show

on the flip side...there's been a lot of 'bashing' on the developer asking what's he doing to support local businesses yadda, yadda

I'm certain that as the landlord he's been doing a lot to help the businesses around the squares survive....this is just another example...my guess is that he doesn't want to compete with the other restaurants while they're trying to make a come back

smart business move...albeit disappointing for the Katie Belle employees

[davem4616]

yes I'll miss it

went there a few times a year...but knew enough to go there on days when the noise level would be acceptable

[bilcon]

Since they ruined the original concept of a place for Village Residents only, we have never gone back to Katie Bells. We used to love the Cattleman's Club Restaurant and the sights at Katie Bells on a Saturday night. We also miss El Santiago and Hacienda Hills Restaurants. OH Well!

[kilowatt]

When we first bought here Katie Belles was instrumental in our decision to buy here. In fact we were told there would probably be a "Katie Belles" in Lake Sumter which at the time wasn`t built yet. We go there many, many times throughout the year and enjoy it immensely. If this is the case that they are closing for good, you can bet your sweet butt that they weren`t very profitable with Katie Belles. I hope the article was misleading and that it will reopen one day.

[Chi-Town]

Tough news about Katie Belle's, makes you wonder. I still miss the members only Cattle Baron Club. It was perfect in its second floor location.

[davem4616]

what nobody but the owners knows is whether the venue was profitable or not

There's always the chance that someone else will move in once the economy gets back on it's feet...happens all the time with restaurants...one goes out and another goes in (unless the location was just awful)

[John_W]

I loved the old KB's, if you didn't like the band at the square, walk in and find a table around the dance floor, and good chance Uncle Bob or somebody better than the square was playing. If needed a snack, they had great pizza and cold beer by the pitcher.

I went one time to the new place, didn't like anything about it and never went back.

[tophcfa]

Never like to see any place close regardless of whether or not it is a place we frequent. First concern is the employees and second is that the other places will have longer waits when things eventually return to the new normal.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The old Katie Belles stayed above water when it was open to all then many people complained about non residents and the problems that so called came with them . When the villages stopped giving away coupons for perspective buyers that left a bunch of people ordering lemon and water and complaining when they started it having a cover charge. I’m out at least 4 or 5 nights a week ( not now ) I have nothing against the place but I guess they gave me no reason to go either , things change especially restaurants I would rather be at BoneFish , Bluefin , Chop House

[John_W]

The big question now is, where is Donna Moore and Dunning Shaw going to perform. Some smart restaurant will hire them every week.

https://www.thevillagesentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/TNEW/Katie-Belles/DonnaDunning_1366x500.jpg

[Bogie Shooter]

saddened to read this, as we too have enjoyed taking out-of-town visitors to KB's for dinner and show

on the flip side...there's been a lot of 'bashing' on the developer asking what's he doing to support local businesses yadda, yadda

I'm certain that as the landlord he's been doing a lot to help the businesses around the squares survive....this is just another example...my guess is that he doesn't want to compete with the other restaurants while they're trying to make a come back

smart business move...albeit disappointing for the Katie Belle employees

No need to guess. It is stated in the Daily Sun article....

[600th Photo Sq]

According to an article in the "other" online news source, Katie Belles will not be reopened by The Villages. Will you miss it?

Katie Belles, that was the headquarters of the infamous " Captain Midnight " the guy allegedly had a thick address book. Popular with the ladies who frequented Katie's.

He is mentioned in the book " Leisureville " which is all about The Villages.

Who knows whatever happened to him, he might be living in Freedom Point or Coleman. :shocked: :ohdear:

[rustyp]

With no hint if, how, or when the squares will open I predict a couple restaurants within a stones throw of Katie Belle's will also be closing shortly. FYI drive by SS square around 3PM and observe what looks like a "bar" to me that is open. People sitting arm to arm on stools with drinks in hand. At least across the street they are seated at tables and appear to be eating.

[BamaBoy451]

Very sad about Katie Belles and no news on reopening Hacienda Hills CC either.

You won't see Hacienda open back up. It's sad to have to go elsewhere for a cold one and lunch after golf. Katie Belles was way better before the renovation.

[BamaBoy451]

Since they ruined the original concept of a place for Village Residents only, we have never gone back to Katie Bells. We used to love the Cattleman's Club Restaurant and the sights at Katie Bells on a Saturday night. We also miss El Santiago and Hacienda Hills Restaurants. OH Well!

Some old timers told me how El Santiago and Silver Lake had great breakfast and lunch for nearby residents golfing or tennis.

[Chatbrat]

Never returned to KB, since the renovation, used to like the old layout & had several nice meals @ the upstairs bar

IMHO, the Villages cocktail crowd made the place unprofitable--can't make money with a glass of iceboater & a lemon wedge

Also, the area around SS is frequented by an aging demographic who are just too cheap to support an upper scale establishment

Flame on, looks like the Villages management has come to the same conclusion

[karostay]

Keep taking away the reasons to move here
10 years we miss many changes that figured into our decision to drink the Koolaid
They may call it progress how ever at times you have to look back and evaluate what made us what we are.

[DDVeteran]

If Radio City Music Hall closed I'd miss it too. But, haven't been there since 1981 with no plans to revisit. Feel the same about the Belle.

[billlaur]

Katie Bells is closing?????Anyone else hear this???:pray:

[honeebunns644]

I believe that the probable closure of Katie Belle's was due to the fact that the developer wasn't bring in any enough money. Why else would you be closing? The Villages Daily Sun article in today's paper of 5-12-20 mentioned that there were more opportunities for dining and entertainment in The Villages. If Katie Belle's was doing well they would still be open. Katie Belle's was unique with the huge dance floor and seating upstairs and downstairs. It was reminiscent of a southern restaurant of yesteryear with plenty of charm. I'm sure thousands of dollars was spent for a "facelift". They were hoping to make more money by getting rid of the big dance floor, squeezing all the tables upstairs and hiring paid entertainment. It was just plain greed.

[JoMar]

I believe that the probable closure of Katie Belle's was due to the fact that the developer wasn't bring in any enough money. Why else would you be closing? The Villages Daily Sun article in today's paper of 5-12-20 mentioned that there were more opportunities for dining and entertainment in The Villages. If Katie Belle's was doing well they would still be open. Katie Belle's was unique with the huge dance floor and seating upstairs and downstairs. It was reminiscent of a southern restaurant of yesteryear with plenty of charm. I'm sure thousands of dollars was spent for a "facelift". They were hoping to make more money by getting rid of the big dance floor, squeezing all the tables upstairs and hiring paid entertainment. It was just plain greed.

I suspect there would have been a compliance issue with both spacing and serving. There is also the possibility that by remaining closed they will help those business's that have leases with them by not competing.. I do understand that you enjoy stirring the pot since you used the word greed.....your motive becoming evident

[JoMar]

Did they say it was permanent or just not reopening?

[karostay]

:crap2: New horse in paddock her name Katie Bells

[Bogie Shooter]

Katie Bells is closing?????Anyone else hear this???:pray:

Look here:
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/restaurant-discussions-90/katie-belles-306399/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/restaurant-discussions-90/katie-belles-will-not-reopen-306374/

[jacksonbrown]

We dancers would go every time Bobby Tate was on stage. Good food, good drinks, good prices.

[Skip]

Did they say it was permanent or just not reopening?

Not sure there is a difference in your statement! :icon_wink:
The Villages Gourmet Club has it listed as permanently closed after 23 years in business...
The Villages Gourmet Club Restaurant Reviews Page 1 (http://thevillagesgourmetclub.com/page1.html#A032)
Sad!

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[dewilson58]

[QUOTE=Kahuna32162;1763567Katie Belles will not be reopened [/QUOTE]


Maybe.

[Rosebud1949]

When Katie's changed to bookings to make more money, instead of allowing folk to stay when they wanted, that finished it. The food was never good anyway. Went once never again....

[noslices1]

I won’t miss it now. I missed it when they “upgraded” it a few years ago and took away that great old western dance hall look and feel. The new one, no.

[Inkyfingers]

No won't miss Katie Bell's. The food was awful.

[Bob3302]

How sad. Lots of great memories. A real iconic Villages place. The old place was very special.

[stadry]

speaking of food,...................... the past 2 january's we tried most places in & about tv,,, it didn't appear as if 'fine dining' could be used in describing any restaurant in OR near there,,, what did we miss ???

[Lizziemay]

Never the same when moved upstairs . We would take our visiting guests to Katie Belles .

[MOMOH]

Maybe someone will take it over and turn it back into what it was back in the day. It won't be two floors, but it could definitely come back with the old flavor!

[kenpoboy]

Of course it will reopen...... just under a different name.

[beckyallen]

We have only lived here for a couple of years but enjoyed taking company there and also Christmas parties. Maybe some other restaurant will open there? Hope so.....

[nn0wheremann]

The space remains, and will be occupied. As the area around Spanish Springs gets older, the businesses will change to reflect a different market. That’s life in a free economy.

[graciegirl]

what nobody but the owners knows is whether the venue was profitable or not

There's always the chance that someone else will move in once the economy gets back on it's feet...happens all the time with restaurants...one goes out and another goes in (unless the location was just awful)

Dave, I have to think that is it in a nutshell. There wasn't enough traffic in the old one, and probably not enough in the new one. Not enough trade, not enough people, not enough money to buy supplies, pay the help and make the margin. The restaurant business is a tough one. Google percentage of new restaurants that close within two years in NORMAL times. There will be a lot of them go dark here, there and everywhere, sadly.

[dshoberg]

Totally agree.....

[NavyVet]

Nope. Not at all. Haven't been in years. And Cattlebaron's was the worst dining experience in our lives ever. The steak was literally inedible, rude waitress laughed it off, zero satisfaction or concern from manager. Never went back.

[youngerday]

Other better entertainment areas are replacing it. (progress)

[mydavid]

Reported in today's Daily Sun. The end of an era. Some will be sad. Others won't miss it.

When I came here in 2001, it was an Icon of the life style of the Villages, fine dinning up stairs at the Cattlemen's and casual dining and entertainment and dancing down. I would have miss it but the powers to be destroyed it when they moved it up stairs and opened to the masses. So no I won't miss it .:faint:

[kilowatt]

I believe that the probable closure of Katie Belle's was due to the fact that the developer wasn't bring in any enough money. Why else would you be closing? The Villages Daily Sun article in today's paper of 5-12-20 mentioned that there were more opportunities for dining and entertainment in The Villages. If Katie Belle's was doing well they would still be open. Katie Belle's was unique with the huge dance floor and seating upstairs and downstairs. It was reminiscent of a southern restaurant of yesteryear with plenty of charm. I'm sure thousands of dollars was spent for a "facelift". They were hoping to make more money by getting rid of the big dance floor, squeezing all the tables upstairs and hiring paid entertainment. It was just plain greed.
You hit the nail on the the head. It`s always about money.

[Joe C.]

Will I miss it?? Nope....absolutely not! Food was pretty good, but the music was way too loud. It was actually painful to sit there and try to enjoy the food. So....no -- don't miss it. I prefer to dine in a quiet restaurant, but they are getting harder and harder to find.

[waverly51]

Yes, I will miss it. I wasn't crazy about the renovation. I really liked the way it looked previously, but the atmosphere was growing on me and the food was good. Will be missed.

[OhioBuckeye]

Won’t miss it a bit, it’s not like it used to be!

[Darlene Lansing]

We also loved the original Katie Belles , it was where we always took our guest and it was a highlight of their visit.

When they moved upstairs it was never quite as exciting the atmosphere was totally different.

We especially enjoyed the entertainment on Monday evening I believe her name was Donna Moore.

[msilagy]

Won't miss KB's at all! Many of the service people and front desk seemed rude at times. Singles were not welcomed and the price to sit at a table, above and beyond on the food cost was a bit ridiculous - Maybe it will be turned into something we all will enjoy even more! One can hope!

[Chi-Town]

Other better entertainment areas are replacing it. (progress)

Wonder what existing venue can match Katie Belle's combination of restaurant, bar, and showroom.

[larcha]

Bye bye Miss Katie Belle pie, drove my golf cart to the square but no one was there.....
We were there the night the music died, it was extraordinary. We really miss the old KB but not the new one, RIP.

[Jayhawk]

You hit the nail on the the head. It`s always about money.

A profit deal = reason for being in business.

This is not a charity and if the business can't support itself, it needed to close.

If every resident who complains about this had gone now and then, they likely would not be closing.

[Ramone]

Another example of the developers bureaucrats not getting the citizens input before remodeling Katie Belles or Hacienda CC or Realto Theater, etc. etc. Katie Belles, such a fine place, remodeled, ruined, then closed. All the hit bands, comedians, etc. no more. Thank you developer again! Reneged Promises.

[Jayhawk]

Another example of the developers bureaucrats not getting the citizens input before remodeling Katie Belles or Hacienda CC or Realto Theater, etc. etc. Katie Belles, such a fine place, remodeled, ruined, then closed. All the hit bands, comedians, etc. no more. Thank you developer again! Reneged Promises.

Do you get input from others before you spend your own money? Why should the developer get citizens input to invest theirs? They have a damn sight better track record than most with knowing where to put their $.

Feel free to spend / invest your money as you see fit and leave others to do the same.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Something that I just thought of while reading these posts is was it fair to have a restaurant that is owned by The Villages competing with restaurants that are being rented from The Villages.

It's possible that they have someone ready to rent out the building.

When you think about it, why would the owner of a property want to go through all the hassle of running a place like that when they can sit back and collect rent?

[Chatbrat]

The same could be said for the kiosks selling beer & booze--if I was a restaurant owner I would be very peeved to have my landlord competing with me & selling the same product cheaper

[sloanst]

IMHO, when they revamped it, they screwed it up.

[dewilson58]

The same could be said for the kiosks selling beer & booze--if I was a restaurant owner I would be very peeved to have my landlord competing with me & selling the same product cheaper


It's no surprise to them......TV was doing it prior to the restaurants opening. It draws more people to the Square and benefits the restaurants. Some bars/restaurants match TV prices.

[Bogie Shooter]

Another example of the developers bureaucrats not getting the citizens input before remodeling Katie Belles or Hacienda CC or Realto Theater, etc. etc. Katie Belles, such a fine place, remodeled, ruined, then closed. All the hit bands, comedians, etc. no more. Thank you developer again! Reneged Promises.

Do you get input from others before you spend your own money? Why should the developer get citizens input to invest theirs? They have a damn sight better track record than most with knowing where to put their $.

Feel free to spend / invest your money as you see fit and leave others to do the same.
Right on!

[Bogie Shooter]

The same could be said for the kiosks selling beer & booze--if I was a restaurant owner I would be very peeved to have my landlord competing with me & selling the same product cheaper

Kiosks were here first, restaurant owners know that going in.
(Sorry de I didn’t read far enough)

[rsalisbu]

I miss the old Cattleman's club (villagers only) and Katie bells downstairs

[thelegges]

Another example of the developers bureaucrats not getting the citizens input before remodeling Katie Belles or Hacienda CC or Realto Theater, etc. etc. Katie Belles, such a fine place, remodeled, ruined, then closed. All the hit bands, comedians, etc. no more. Thank you developer again! Reneged Promises.

KBs has had declining revenues for a while. But good news for you....You can lease the space open up, with all those citizens money, and input. With all the support you get it should be a thriving business from day one.:MOJE_whot:

[John_W]

I never understood the concept of having a large dinner while Rocky & the Rollers, Johnny Wild or Uncle Bob is blasting loud rock music at you. When you go to a ball game to watch an event, you might have a hot dog, a taco, some kind of finger food.

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That's why I liked the old Katie Belles. You didn't need a reservation. You slipped in and usually tables would come open and a pizza and pitcher of beer was all you needed. Usually the music was the centerpiece and the dance floor. If you wanted a meal, there was upstairs and the music was just muffled enough that it wasn't a problem. Don't fix it, if it ain't broke.

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[JoMar]

I never understood the concept of having a large dinner while Rocky & the Rollers, Johnny Wild or Uncle Bob is blasting loud rock music at you. When you go to a ball game to watch an event, you might have a hot dog, a taco, some kind of finger food.

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That's why I liked the old Katie Belles. You didn't need a reservation. You slipped in and usually tables would come open and a pizza and pitcher of beer was all you needed. Usually the music was the centerpiece and the dance floor. If you wanted a meal, there was upstairs and the music was just muffled enough that it wasn't a problem. Don't fix it, if it ain't broke.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/87lW2W5PQEM/maxresdefault.jpg


It was seriously broke.

[Finchs]

Was never the same when they moved it upstairs. Loved it when it was villagers only downstairs. Used to go there for lunch - never opened upstairs for lunch. Won't be missed here.

We moved here after the "remodeling" was done, and never really enjoyed going there.
Having children included in what I felt should have been a "Night Club" atmosphere just annoyed me. Sometimes toddlers would be running thru the room, with adoring parents playfully chasing them. And the high top chairs were uncomfortable.
Too bad they turned this formerly great venue into a place with all the ambiance of a Golden Corral.

[Shimpy]

Was never the same when they moved it upstairs. Loved it when it was villagers only downstairs. Used to go there for lunch - never opened upstairs for lunch. Won't be missed here.

Sunday buffet was our favorite. Sad they ruined it when they changed to upstairs only.

[Barborv]

Every time I come down to TV I always go to a show at Katie Belles. I must of seen the Donna and Dunning show about 6 times already. Always bring guests to that show. I did enjoy the atmosphere and motif, and the food wasn't bad either. Wonder what will be replacing it. Hopefully just a new name!

[Number 10 GI]

Another example of the developers bureaucrats not getting the citizens input before remodeling Katie Belles or Hacienda CC or Realto Theater, etc. etc. Katie Belles, such a fine place, remodeled, ruined, then closed. All the hit bands, comedians, etc. no more. Thank you developer again! Reneged Promises.

I must have missed it, I don't recall any promises like that. Really they promised there would always be a Katie Belles?

[dgenett11@gmail.com]

They totally ruined Katie Belles when they revamped it. It was the best place to go. There is no place to dance inside anymore. They also ruined Santiago and now Haciends Hills is closed. Thank goodness Tierra del Sol is open. Newer is not always better!

[Bill1701]

No. I've never been there. Way too far away from where I live.

[ALadysMom]

The old Katie Belles stayed above water when it was open to all then many people complained about non residents and the problems that so called came with them . When the villages stopped giving away coupons for perspective buyers that left a bunch of people ordering lemon and water and complaining when they started it having a cover charge. I’m out at least 4 or 5 nights a week ( not now ) I have nothing against the place but I guess they gave me no reason to go either , things change especially restaurants I would rather be at BoneFish , Bluefin , Chop House
I’m sad I didn’t go to KB. The main reason I would have liked to go is that it was a unique experience—not a chain. Both have their place, I think. I like the consistent quality and predictability of chains but the real-feel of a local establishment is a welcome break from cookie-cutter. Finding a really good, unique local place is like finding a pearl. I hope KB will reopen and reclaim the heart & soul of TV.

[ALadysMom]

Keep taking away the reasons to move here
10 years we miss many changes that figured into our decision to drink the Koolaid
They may call it progress how ever at times you have to look back and evaluate what made us what we are.

If this was important when you chose TV, did you continue to support KB after you moved in? Sometimes a place can be quaint & nostalgic, but not profitable. As a comparison, if it weren’t owned & operated by Disney, I doubt the Hoop-Dee-Do Revue would have still been operating (pre-COVID) It’s good food, the show is good, homestyle fun, but I only went twice in 40 years. Once I had seen the show, it was rather expensive to repeat especially since it felt like a been-there-done-that experience. KB sounds very similar.

Progress/change happens. I try to remain grateful that I had the chance to experience things while they lasted. I collect the wonderful memories then seek to add some new ones. It’s as if I am writing my life’s book in chapters. None of them last for the entire length of the book—because they aren’t supposed to—but (thankfully) the last ones are still to be written.

[ALadysMom]

Central Florida isn’t known for truly fine dining. Try West Palm or South Beach for that. I think fine dining is lacking because of the strong economic influence of the family-centered theme parks & fixed-income retirees. Most places are fast-casual. Orlando & Tampa have some nice options. Did you try Bern’s Steakhouse in Tampa? Bern’s decor is not what’s impressive. The steaks and humongous wine cellar are world-class. A few of the massive hotel complexes in Orlando also house great restaurants. I tend to prefer casual Mom-and-Pops but The Villages has very few of those. Lots of chains. I wonder if all of the chains will remain since many are almost homogeneous.

[LoganW]

We went for Easter in 2019 and the service was very poor.

[Northwoods]

Of course it will reopen...... just under a different name.
I heard a rumor that either a COSTCO or Trader Joe's was going to go in there.
:1rotfl:

[coffeebean]

I must have missed it, I don't recall any promises like that. Really they promised there would always be a Katie Belles?

We weren't promised there would always be a Katie Belle's but we were sold the bill of goods that there was a restaurant/bar/dance hall with entertainment in Spanish Springs that catered only to Villages residents. See how that worked out.

[JoMar]

We weren't promised there would always be a Katie Belle's but we were sold the bill of goods that there was a restaurant/bar/dance hall with entertainment in Spanish Springs that catered only to Villages residents. See how that worked out.

I must misunderstand.....is it your impression that things can never change after you have been told something?

[Nucky]

Many Originals that we know who are still in The Villages have fond memories of KB'S. They concede that the luster of the place was lost some time ago and are surprised it lasted as long as it did.

Being relatively new we would never even have tried the place. No appeal from the outside. Too much competition in The Villages and after the Virus is contained and it will be, it may be a while until the empty storefronts and restaurants are replaced by another establishment.

I'm sorry for the hopes and dreams and lightened pockets that this Virus has given so many people. That's inclusive of the Very Rich and The Mom & Pop Shops and all those in between and the families who have financial worries on top of health concerns.

[Skip]

No. I've never been there. Way too far away from where I live.

That's exactly why it's closing...
New home buyers say "Spanish Springs? All the way up there. Isn't that near Ocala?"


Katie Belle's was once THE PLACE to be in The Villages.

Sad to see it go.

It was loosely modeled after Bob Snow's Cheyenne Saloon on Church Street.

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[Skip]

I heard a rumor that either a COSTCO or Trader Joe's was going to go in there.
:1rotfl:

No, a funeral director is taking over. It'll be a casket showroom in a few months. Good business prospects in this area.

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[coffeebean]

I must misunderstand.....is it your impression that things can never change after you have been told something?

Yes, I expected there would always be an establishment just for Villages residents. That was a very big push by the sales rep and also the trolley hostess when we took the trolley tour. I'm disappointed that option has gone by the wayside. Not what I was expecting after all the talking up of the establishment only for Villagers.

Katie Belle's was a great option to listen to our favorite bands and performers in the hotter months. We enjoyed the bands more in the air conditioning.

[rustyp]

Yes, I expected there would always be an establishment just for Villages residents. That was a very big push by the sales rep and also the trolley hostess when we took the trolley tour. I'm disappointed that option has gone by the wayside. Not what I was expecting after all the talking up of the establishment only for Villagers.

Katie Belle's was a great option to listen to our favorite bands and performers in the hotter months. We enjoyed the bands more in the air conditioning.

I support coffeebean. Many moons ago when we arrived a major sales pitch was residents only exclusive club - Katie Belle's. The Villages gave out Villages Lifestyle dollars to be spent at Katie Belle's on a lifestyle visit.

[bijustice]

We will Miss Katie Belle's. It was the greatest restaurant to attend in 1997 when we moved here. The Decor was gorgeous. Then, they decided to close the downstairs, which was a big mistake. It was never the same. People did love the entertainment and dancing and great food.

[dewilson58]

We weren't promised there would always be a Katie Belle's but we were sold the bill of goods that there was a restaurant/bar/dance hall with entertainment in Spanish Springs that catered only to Villages residents. See how that worked out.




So there is no issue...................you were never promised and you were told there WAS a place. Exactly what happened. There WAS an establishment and the future was never promised.


:ho:

[twoplanekid]

Article says one in 4 restaurants won't re-open -> Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/one-quarter-of-american-restaurants-won-t-reopen-opentable-says)

[Jayhawk]

I support coffeebean. Many moons ago when we arrived a major sales pitch was residents only exclusive club - Katie Belle's. The Villages gave out Villages Lifestyle dollars to be spent at Katie Belle's on a lifestyle visit.

Clearly it wasn't a deal-breaker for about 130,000 residents. When a restaurant / bar closes with such a large captive audience, you have to consider that it may have just run its course. If more people went there regularly, they would have stayed open.

I went there exactly twice in 7 years. I expect the majority would report similar visits.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

After they closed the original KB the lemon and water crowd went straight to assisted living

[davem4616]

Article says one in 4 restaurants won't re-open -> Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-14/one-quarter-of-american-restaurants-won-t-reopen-opentable-says)


not surprised that many will close their doors for good....that's a shame, but it's a very difficult business

no idea how true this is, but I read somewhere years ago that the average lifespan of a restaurant is about 7 years

[coffeebean]

So there is no issue...................you were never promised and you were told there WAS a place. Exactly what happened. There WAS an establishment and the future was never promised.


:ho:

Very colorful post!

[Marathon Man]

Yes, I expected there would always be an establishment just for Villages residents. That was a very big push by the sales rep and also the trolley hostess when we took the trolley tour. I'm disappointed that option has gone by the wayside. Not what I was expecting after all the talking up of the establishment only for Villagers.

Katie Belle's was a great option to listen to our favorite bands and performers in the hotter months. We enjoyed the bands more in the air conditioning.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you assumed there would always be a place.

[P A Paul]

Good locations, good features (food, music, ambiance, etc.) will return soon AFTER true normalcy does. That’s what capitalism is about. There were failures for the lack of qualities listed above, BEFORE COVID; that’s also what capitalism is about. A generation, or three, raised on “instant gratification” in a society of “instant information/disinformation” is not well-suited for any kind of waiting game, especially in the land where “we’re entitled” is the prevailing national sentiment.

[coffeebean]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you assumed there would always be a place.

No, I expected there will always be an establishment for just Villagers whether it by Katie Belles or another establishment. That concept was touted to us as prospective buyers as if it were the best thing since sliced bread. We had coupons for two to go to Katie Belles on our life style visit.

I understand things change. There are no guarantees in life so my expectations were dashed. I was just expressing my disappointment that Katie Belles is not an option any more for Villagers.

[rustyp]

Clearly it wasn't a deal-breaker for about 130,000 residents. When a restaurant / bar closes with such a large captive audience, you have to consider that it may have just run its course. If more people went there regularly, they would have stayed open.

I went there exactly twice in 7 years. I expect the majority would report similar visits.

Actually you were not promised golf for life but if you were it did not stipulate how many courses. You were not promised flowers at public areas in writing. You were not promised how many Rec Halls and even if the existing ones would remain open - on and on and on. What is your point ? Why would you want to site me out for pointing out factual history ? Do you believe I'm making this up ? I still stand by coffebean. PS I went there hundreds of times in 15 years. To each his own - I dislike pickleball - I don't say to others I have only done it twice as if it is the plague.

[JP]

I suspect there were pre-covid 19 issues with Katie Bell's. There was an ad in the help wanted section of The Sun that seemed to be basically permanent. So I always suspected management issues/employee issues which usually means money problems.

[chuckandbernice]

I suspect they didn't want SS to be a distraction in convincing people to buy further south. Take away anything they can, Katie Belles, Santiago Club, Chula restaurant, Church on the Square. These were to draw buyers. Not needed anymore. The real money is in selling new houses.
What might they conveniently take away from LSL?

[stan the man]

Was great when residents only ID required

[Jayhawk]

Just another broken promise
Remember when you took your fist tour of the Villages
Katie Bells was touted as this YOUR entertainment spot and restaurant

Broken Promises?

Like makers of VCR's, boxy televisions, record players, carbon paper, typewriters, phone books, buggy whips....on and on. All great items that when invented, no one saw the end. But progress happens. Get over it.

[rustyp]

The rationale for the original Katie Belle's closure by many posters here on TOTV was freeloading residents sipping water with lemon. I failed to see water with lemon sippers since Katie Belle's moved upstairs.Minimum spend limits, cover charges, raised prices, cut hours, and limited space apparently wasn't the magic formula. Plus all that space downstairs was supposedly extremely valuable retail space. Go ahead off the top of your head name the stores that went into the old Katie Belle's space (not Chico's - was there before the change). Whats' the rationale now? Apparently old folks homes are more profitable than restaurants. An old folks home most likely will only benefit a few dwellers and the owner not 120 K plus residents or downtown retailers. The winds of change are blowing in some not so fragrant aromas.

[Jayhawk]

The rationale for the original Katie Belle's closure by many posters here on TOTV was freeloading residents sipping water with lemon. I failed to see water with lemon sippers since Katie Belle's moved upstairs.Minimum spend limits, cover charges, raised prices, cut hours, and limited space apparently wasn't the magic formula. Plus all that space downstairs was supposedly extremely valuable retail space. Go ahead off the top of your head name the stores that went into the old Katie Belle's space (not Chico's - was there before the change). Whats' the rationale now? Apparently old folks homes are more profitable than restaurants. An old folks home most likely will only benefit a few dwellers and the owner not 120 K plus residents or downtown retailers. The winds of change are blowing in some not so fragrant aromas.

In your prior life, did you work for or own a business whose operating plan was "let's keep losing money when options are available"?

What normal person would think that makes sense?

[JSR22]

The rationale for the original Katie Belle's closure by many posters here on TOTV was freeloading residents sipping water with lemon. I failed to see water with lemon sippers since Katie Belle's moved upstairs.Minimum spend limits, cover charges, raised prices, cut hours, and limited space apparently wasn't the magic formula. Plus all that space downstairs was supposedly extremely valuable retail space. Go ahead off the top of your head name the stores that went into the old Katie Belle's space (not Chico's - was there before the change). Whats' the rationale now? Apparently old folks homes are more profitable than restaurants. An old folks home most likely will only benefit a few dwellers and the owner not 120 K plus residents or downtown retailers. The winds of change are blowing in some not so fragrant aromas.

The store that went in is Soft Surrounding a very nice woman' boutique that I shop at frequently.

[rustyp]

In your prior life, did you work for or own a business whose operating plan was "let's keep losing money when options are available"?

What normal person would think that makes sense?

If the developer can't make money downtown in his own business what chance does a tenant renting space from him have ? I don't believe the developer was loosing money on Katie Belle's before and after the change.

[Jayhawk]

If the developer can't make money downtown in his own business what chance does a tenant renting space from him have ? I don't believe the developer was loosing money on Katie Belle's before and after the change.

Just like the rest of us, you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing or making money. But I'm still curious about your answer to the previous question.

[rustyp]

Just like the rest of us, you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing or making money. But I'm still curious about your answer to the previous question.

I think your response of "you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing money" applies equally as well as my response to your question.

FYI the federal government employs about one third of the US population. I do believe they are losing money.

[Jayhawk]

I think your response of "you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing money" applies equally as well as my response to your question.

FYI the federal government employs about one third of the US population. I do believe they are losing money.
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[Number 10 GI]

I think your response of "you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing money" applies equally as well as my response to your question.

FYI the federal government employs about one third of the US population. I do believe they are losing money.

You don't have to have access to a companies financial books to figure out that when it closes they obviously weren't making money.

The federal government isn't a business in no shape or form, it's not supposed to make a profit. Apples and watermelon comparison.

When the government needs more money they raise taxes, a business can't force people to buy at their establishment so it has enough money to stay afloat.

[raynan]

Since the redo, I couldn't understand why they were not open on all the nights that The Sharon had shows especially on Sundays. A missed opportunity to make money and they missed it. So many restaurants are into the high top tables and a lot of people just find them uncomfortable.

[Jayhawk]

Since the redo, I couldn't understand why they were not open on all the nights that The Sharon had shows especially on Sundays. A missed opportunity to make money and they missed it. So many restaurants are into the high top tables and a lot of people just find them uncomfortable.

Maybe because a bunch of cruising old Villagers drinking Lake County Cocktails (water and lemon) just wasn't justification to be open.

[thelegges]

In the beginning the food was very good (07) first visit Then went to ok, (2010) then mediocre at best. I think that was the last time we were there

[kathyspear]

So many restaurants are into the high top tables and a lot of people just find them uncomfortable.

I'm with you about those pub tables. HATE THEM! I am short and don't want to sit in a chair that I need a ladder to climb into. Just don't understand the appeal.

kathy

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe because a bunch of cruising old Villagers drinking Lake County Cocktails (water and lemon) just wasn't justification to be open.

We were not here than but several people have commented that they did have minimums.

[CanTho]

According to an article in the "other" online news source, Katie Belles will not be reopened by The Villages. Will you miss it?

Nope. Good Riddance.

[biker1]

No. About 2 million work for the Federal Government plus military and reservists - about 4 million total.

I think your response of "you have no idea or access to whether or not the developer was losing money" applies equally as well as my response to your question.

FYI the federal government employs about one third of the US population. I do believe they are losing money.