Six feet-----yeah, right

[BobnBev]

Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[Topspinmo]

And the are so worried about tennis and pickleball.

[BobnBev]

And the are so worried about tennis and pickleball.

Really

[starflyte1]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.

[JoMar]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.

The Constitution gives you the right to assemble, the State and local government has the right to control that you do it safely. Please don't omit stuff just to make your point.

[Bogie Shooter]

The Constitution gives you the right to assemble, the State and local government has the right to control that you do it safely. Please don't omit stuff just to make your point.
Agree!

[anothersteve]

The Constitution gives you the right to assemble, the State and local government has the right to control that you do it safely. Please don't omit stuff just to make your point.


Control......now that's the key word.
Steve

[PugMom]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.

thank you. if somebody is so scared, they should'nt be leaving the house @ all, yet alone scout around for larger groups they can catch the virus from. pardon me for being frank in expressing my opinion.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Shame on you !
200 hundred ? You sat there and counted ? I think not - how fast where you driving? And 200 - you should shelter in place and stop posting false hoods .

[billlaur]

what an outrage,should be locked up//

[Vonjor@gmail.com]

It’s hard to comprehend what’s in the mind of those people: Denial, Death Wish, Insufficient Grey Matter? Whatever, they obviously have an abundant disregard for their fellow citizens������

[golfing eagles]

thank you. if somebody is so scared, they should'nt be leaving the house @ all, yet alone scout around for larger groups they can catch the virus from. pardon me for being frank in expressing my opinion.

This has been an issue since the beginning. The same people who were posting stay at home, if you don't you're entitled, selfish and an idiot that will kill us all, were the ones running around OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES taking pictures and describing incidents of OTHER people not staying at home. It's spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.

[melcirullo@sbcglobal.net]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.
Really, NOT AT THESE TIMES, You must have been 1 of them.
Or maybe you haven't been reading of listening to the news the last 3-4 Months or all of the press conferences The Prez. and the Gov. have been doing!!

[DanBrew]

It is called freedom. Remember that? I guess the lines to get our soma from the government will have to be "social distanced" as well.

[mrf6969]

I was reading some posts for and against reopening here in The Villages and our country in general. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.
There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?
You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.
You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.
The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.
I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.
And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could die from obesity. I could die from a heart attack. I could be in a car accident. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to forever cringe and glare everytime someone coughs, sneezes or has the sniffles? Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?
Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.
But sheltering in place is not living.

[kanoa1kale2]

The Constitution gives you the right to assemble, the State and local government has the right to control that you do it safely. Please don't omit stuff just to make your point.

Wrong - The constitution supersedes state and local. You will see more protests the longer this goes on with court action following. In response to the op, just keep on driving.

[Jtcoggin@bellsouth.net]

200 people??? I estimate it more like 50-60 but still too close.

[Challenger]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.

Better described as "Head in Sand Attitude" (polite version)

[Skunky1]

Lead, follow or get out of the way. Let the natural selection begin.

[Rodneysblue]

Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:
Alcohol is a great sanitizer.

[kanoa1kale2]

Really, NOT AT THESE TIMES, You must have been 1 of them.
Or maybe you haven't been reading of listening to the news the last 3-4 Months or all of the press conferences The Prez. and the Gov. have been doing!!

Cuomo: Most new NY coronavirus hospitalizations are from people who stayed home (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html)

So much for that!! Keep in mind, we are NOT New York. The leadership and environment are totally different!

[Fred2016]

They have the right to remain stupid.

[davem4616]

The folks that are gathering and going into the restaurants are the early adapters...they're testing the water for the rest of us
(and helping these local businesses get back up on their feet)...

I read recently that going grocery shopping isn't as much of a risk because you're in and out (unless you get caught up waiting in the zucchini line)...however indoor events and restaurants present a greater risk because you're there for a longer period of time
...not sure if that's true, but it made sense to me on the surface

Hopefully these early adapters don't end up like the soldiers that were in the first few waves of landing craft that hit Omaha, and other Normandy Beaches back in the day....

[Holpat39]

If you can find it read Section 98 of the Constitution which disputes that state and local governments can restrict peaceful assembly.

[mlmarr1]

and so you can mind your own business.. friends maybe .. 6ft rule for strangers.. now off to your next issue in life..

[ts12755]

From what I've seen in the Villages, the obese, unhealthy, and nursing home residents are in lock down. They are the ones that need a quarantine. Those gathering are younger, healthier, active with a strong immune system. They are in the group of no symptoms from Covid19. If they get it, they then get immunity.

[NotGolfer]

Kevin James the actor has a 2 minute clip on YouTube about this very thing.

[Keninches]

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2 weeks after all this togetherness. Hope it is not a bad thing.

[Leadbone1]

Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

I was one of the people there having a good time. This may come as a shock to you, but we as Americans are free to do what we want to do. Many of us now know that this whole thing has been totally overblown. You cannot hide from viruses! You’re either going to get it or you’re not. You can’t stay in the house forever. You can’t wear a mask forever. And you can’t stay 6 feet away from everyone forever. If you choose to remain afraid then stay home. That’s your right.

[chrisad50]

I think history will judge Sweden as having the best approach. Their only goof-up was not doing something about the nursing homes. That's where most of their deaths have occurred.
But they haven't destroyed their economy and quality of life.
After we reopen, I think you'll see a resurgence of the virus and the number of deaths will pan out to be the same rate overall.
The only difference will be that we made ourselves miserable and destroyed our livelihoods in the misguided attempt to outsmart Mother Nature.

[france]

I just read your most eloquent answer. I have tried to say many of the things you said when asked and fell short. Try to get it printed in paper. Not everyone reads talk of the villages. Thank you.

[DeanFL]

I was one of the people there having a good time. This may come as a shock to you, but we as Americans are free to do what we want to do. Many of us now know that this whole thing has been totally overblown. You cannot hide from viruses! You’re either going to get it or you’re not. You can’t stay in the house forever. You can’t wear a mask forever. And you can’t stay 6 feet away from everyone forever. If you choose to remain afraid then stay home. That’s your right.


wow...just Wow. Please post your picture and location so anyone in the High Risk group in TV knows to stay 15' away from you. BTW 'forever' is a very long time. Common sense please, just for a short time more. We are NOT invincible.

Personally we are being careful - social distance and mask (primarily when shopping etc), but our life goes on, golf and outdoor stuff - maskless. BUT we are sensitive and caring to others, and in the case we DID catch Covid - we keep our distance.

and>>>"You’re either going to get it or you’re not."
only comment I would have on that is ?????????????????????????????

[Shamp]

starflyte1 We will NEVER get rid of the virus if uninformed, careless people continue to gather in close proximity. I don't understand why people don't get it! The sooner people distance and use masks, the sooner we are rid of this virus. The better chance our loved ones and friends will survive this dreadful illness.

[HelenLCSW]

They are in the fresh air, have a great attitude, and are having a good time. If you don’t want to join them don’t. It their right given by the constitution to chose to join in, just as it is your right to stay away.

A person’s rights stop when they infringe on someone else’s rights. Spreading the virus affects more people than just the person who doesn’t care. In the 70’s people were arrested if they had HIV and had sex without telling their partner. The constitution does not give people the right to do whatever they want if it harms others.

[B767drvr]

...The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place...

Wow! Awesome post mrf6969! :clap2:

[airstreamingypsy]

Thank of all the great estate sales by next fall......

[eyc234]

I was one of the people there having a good time. This may come as a shock to you, but we as Americans are free to do what we want to do. Many of us now know that this whole thing has been totally overblown. You cannot hide from viruses! You’re either going to get it or you’re not. You can’t stay in the house forever. You can’t wear a mask forever. And you can’t stay 6 feet away from everyone forever. If you choose to remain afraid then stay home. That’s your right.

:ohdear: Luv how the major response from people is that "It is my right", "I can do what I want". There is no where in our Constitution or laws that says you can do whatever you want, whenever you want!!! Where and when has anyone said that the current situations are permanent.

[CarolSells]

A person’s rights stop when they infringe on someone else’s rights. Spreading the virus affects more people than just the person who doesn’t care. In the 70’s people were arrested if they had HIV and had sex without telling their partner. The constitution does not give people the right to do whatever they want if it harms others.

Seriously? Your comparison of people who KNEW THEY WERE HIV INFECTED to people who merely are out in the open in a public place is just ludicrous! I believe the former speaks to Intent; I’m not an attorney.

For all of the whiners, just how many people do you know, personally and for a fact, lived here in The Villages and died from Covid19 which they caught from the golfers, people out and about, wrong way shoppers, etc, etc.?
I’ll wait.

[bmit16]

We are not getting rid of the virus anyway, that was never the plan. The plan was to slow its roll a little so the healthcare system could become more prepared. This has taken place. The death rate in the U.S. has dropped from 29% to 22% over the past month. The reason for this is that the health care system now has ways to prevent more deaths. This gets better everyday as new medicines and treatments develop. Herd immunity also develops everyday. Eventually on its own the virus will die off. New evidence on how it travels changes daily. The latest key advances are, the virus is not spread widely by casual contact, but more rapidly by family members hunkered down inside. The next advancement tells us the virus is not passed outside or in hot climates like originally believed. The biggest injustice of this virus, is making people believe they will die "IF" they get the virus. 99.9% not only survive, but have little or no effect. Just like other diseases, it may be too late to change how you lived your life to avoid the results of dying from a disease now. I guess you had the opportunity in most cases to control your own destiny just like you have the opportunity now to "protect yourself" as you see fit.

[ChicagoNative]

Brilliant and well said. The “corona Karen’s” and “covid Chads” are all over social media trying to shame anyone who doesn’t think like them. I’ve posted similar sentiments over the past couple weeks and mods deleted them, so I’ll stop right here.

I was reading some posts for and against reopening here in The Villages and our country in general. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.
There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?
You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.
You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.
The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.
I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.
And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could die from obesity. I could die from a heart attack. I could be in a car accident. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to forever cringe and glare everytime someone coughs, sneezes or has the sniffles? Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?
Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.
But sheltering in place is not living.

[spuds51]

Why is this your problem? MYOB!

If it only affected the people involved it would be different but it doesn't. Someone that gets the virus may be the one you come in contact with at a store or maybe the gas pump. I read where a woman got it by touching a keypad at a pharmacy. Don't ask me how they trace these things back...I don't know.

I'm not belittling the people that choose to go out but why be careless? Why not invite your friends over for drinks and sit outside spaced safely apart? Some are talking about the economy taking a hit and they are right but what's it going to be like if the second wave of this thing is worse?

Maybe the best post I saw on this thread was the one that someone said all the folks at RJ's were young, healthy individuals with healthy immune systems...young? In the villages? What is the average age in the villages? Of course, it is your business what you do but you would have to been living under a rock for the last few months if you believe that your actions can't affect others. The whole "stay at home if you're scared" just don't get it and most know it or should.

[Villages Kahuna]

They’ll find out...we’ll all find out.

If the morbidity for seniors is a lot higher than the younger population it’s safe to assume that most of the celebrants you saw were seniors.

I wonder how they would respond if offered a hat with five chips in it — four saying “free dinner for you and your party” and the fifth saying “you die”? How many do you think would play the game? Because those are pretty close to the real odds if a senior gets infected.

By the way, the CDC’s current definition of “senior” for the purpose of calculating morbidity rates for the coronavirus is age 50 and above.

[RoadToad]

It’s hard to comprehend what’s in the mind of those people: Denial, Death Wish, Insufficient Grey Matter? Whatever, they obviously have an abundant disregard for their fellow citizens������

Suicide by Covid ...
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[LiverpoolWalrus]

In the 70’s people were arrested if they had HIV and had sex without telling their partner.

HIV was discovered in 1983.

You are right that it was illegal to have sex if you were HIV+ and didn't disclose it. It is STILL illegal in many states. It is also illegal in some states if you don't disclose that you have ANY infectious disease to your sex partners. That presumably also applies to Covid-19.
HIV-Specific Criminal Laws | Law | Policy and Law | HIV/AIDS | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/states/exposure.html)

[kendi]

I was reading some posts for and against reopening here in The Villages and our country in general. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.
There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?
You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.
You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.
The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.
I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.
And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could die from obesity. I could die from a heart attack. I could be in a car accident. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to forever cringe and glare everytime someone coughs, sneezes or has the sniffles? Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?
Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.
But sheltering in place is not living.

Appreciate your thoughts - well said.

[rz5drf]

We saw RJ Gators too last night. Reminded us of Mallory Square at sunset in Key West. Beautiful night to be out and enjoying the fresh air. We just traveled on SWA from The Villages to Idaho and back. No problems. We have not gotten sick or feel afraid. We need a few germs in our system to fight off bugs!

[Topspinmo]

Really

And you think my response was out of order.:1rotfl:

[kendi]

A person’s rights stop when they infringe on someone else’s rights. Spreading the virus affects more people than just the person who doesn’t care. In the 70’s people were arrested if they had HIV and had sex without telling their partner. The constitution does not give people the right to do whatever they want if it harms others.

Knowing you are infected and endangering others illegal. If someone did not know they had HIV they would not be arrested. There's a big difference.

[birdiebill]

My issue with this is that those who are congregating in crowds and "having fun" is that no one knows who may be a carrier of the virus. I hope that everyone stays safe and does not contract the virus. Those of us who are more cautious can stay away from crowded restaurants, bars, town squares but still exercise by walking, riding bikes, golfing, etc. But we also have to occasionally go to the grocery or the pharmacy. That is where we are most at risk of catching the virus from those who are not following the governments guidelines about social distancing and wearing masks. Please wear a mask when in the grocery or pharmacy to minimize viral transmission to the more cautious among us. Remember viral transmission can and does occur prior to symptoms. Symptoms are often the result of the immune response against the virus. The virus comes first, the immune response comes second, and the symptoms come third. Hopefully immunity then occurs.

[leiban20]

when we get another curve from the virus them probably they will pay attention
no respect for others. life and theirs

[Bay Kid]

Something is going to get you sooner or later. Be safe, but you better enjoy life.

[OhioBuckeye]

6 ft. apart, we’ll I guess some people have to learn the hard way & some are living right & never get sick! Like some people & me, we do what we’re told. Stay safe everyone!

[merrymini]

So sick and tired of the doom and gloomers. Most of the mortality is in nursing homes, compromised health wise and ENCLOSED! Open, fresh air is GOOD FOR YOU! The economy is being flushed down the toilet and you want to hide. There is an almost zero mortality rate in children. The villagers who have been control tested for the virus has shown very little contact and not everyone who catches the virus dies! There is no way to eradicate this. We will have to live with it like we do a lot of other diseases. Just because people want to get back to normal does not make them STUPID. The amount of people who want to control others behaviors is amazing. If you want your behavior controlled, move to China, they seem to be good at it.

[hadlock2]

Best reply I have seen. I agree with you completely.

[Jacob85]

It only takes one person not showing symptoms to spread the virus. People talking loudly spew the droplets

[BamaBoy451]

So sick and tired of the doom and gloomers. Most of the mortality is in nursing homes, compromised health wise and ENCLOSED! Open, fresh air is GOOD FOR YOU! The economy is being flushed down the toilet and you want to hide. There is an almost zero mortality rate in children. The villagers who have been control tested for the virus has shown very little contact and not everyone who catches the virus dies! There is no way to eradicate this. We will have to live with it like we do a lot of other diseases. Just because people want to get back to normal does not make them STUPID. The amount of people who want to control others behaviors is amazing. If you want your behavior controlled, move to China, they seem to be good at it.

You left out prisons and jails in the numbers of deaths. They are included in whatever locality they may be.:)

[Jacob85]

They have found new affects to children. 90 children had a mild case and two weeks later they developed severe complications and some of them have died!

[Jacob85]

So if some of the people who think this is no big deal and don’t realize they can spread the virus to vulnerable people when they do not have symptoms, should not expect care from the health care providers who are putting their lives on the line? Sounds fair

[msilagy]

The Village people made it thru with out many cases or deaths so I am surmising unless a host appears and many get infected the same will continue based on past exposures. Time will tell and until that time these people are out whooping it up. Everyone has a choice even if there are bad ones!!!!

[lyndastahl]

Yes Gators has been really rocking lately. My problem is that they are not keeping their distance and no masks. Who is to say they may be right next to you in a store, etc. And could be a carrier. You will never know.
So they are enjoying themselves and other may have to pay the price. Just saying.
Think before you leap. There are other out there trying their best to stay alive.

[kanoa1kale2]

They’ll find out...we’ll all find out.

If the morbidity for seniors is a lot higher than the younger population it’s safe to assume that most of the celebrants you saw were seniors.

I wonder how they would respond if offered a hat with five chips in it — four saying “free dinner for you and your party” and the fifth saying “you die”? How many do you think would play the game? Because those are pretty close to the real odds if a senior gets infected.

By the way, the CDC’s current definition of “senior” for the purpose of calculating morbidity rates for the coronavirus is age 50 and above.

So, you are saying the mortality rate is 20%. Really? The mortality rate for Lake County is way under that. We have 367,000 people in Lake County. Now, how many have died? How many are confirmed positive? Who really knows how many have had it and didn't even know it? Exactly! No one know how many have had it! It is your perogative to stay home.

[terenceanne]

More stunning is the fact that people are risking their lives to be at Gators :)

[Alana33]

Journalist Breaks Down Anti-Lockdown Arguments | NowThis - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=suwos5pwiu0&feature=emb_title)

[sjgreene5]

I never answer these but I'm getting tired of all this complaining and yes I know I'm not going to change the way this person thinks but seriously was that hurting you!!! can't everyone just worry about themselves and leave it to other people to worry for their selves.

[Bellavita]

they will be in Winn Dixie today breathing on us.

[CarolSells]

Journalist Breaks Down Anti-Lockdown Arguments | NowThis - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=suwos5pwiu0&feature=emb_title)

A contribution to a “news” outlet with a clear political agenda by an unnamed “journalist”.

Villagers getting dinner or drinks at the square are hardly protesting “the lockdown”.

[GoodLife]

They’ll find out...we’ll all find out.

If the morbidity for seniors is a lot higher than the younger population it’s safe to assume that most of the celebrants you saw were seniors.

I wonder how they would respond if offered a hat with five chips in it — four saying “free dinner for you and your party” and the fifth saying “you die”? How many do you think would play the game? Because those are pretty close to the real odds if a senior gets infected.

By the way, the CDC’s current definition of “senior” for the purpose of calculating morbidity rates for the coronavirus is age 50 and above.

You might want to rethink that 20% number.

Covid 19 death rate percentages by age: (by those with confirmed cases)


80 + 21.9%
70-79 8%
60-69 3.6%
50-59 1.3%
40-49 0.4%
30-39 0.2%
20-29 0.2%
10-19 0.2%
<10 0.001

50% of all Covid 19 deaths appear to be coming from nursing homes (see my previous thread) If you are 50 to 69, living in single family home, your chances of dying are pretty small. The 21.9% number for those over 80 years is probably 80-90% coming from nursing homes.

[fourandrew]

Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

We also drove by--it was like a flashback to 2018--NO social distancing or masks--SCARY--won't be going to anyplace in Lake Sumter Landing unless I'm in the safety of my car

[talleyjm]

Highly recommend the Kevin James video, only 2 minutes or so, about social distancing! Good to have levity in these crazy times - his video about missing baseball is funny, too. :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::jester::jester::jester:

[anothersteve]

I never answer these but I'm getting tired of all this complaining and yes I know I'm not going to change the way this person thinks but seriously was that hurting you!!! can't everyone just worry about themselves and leave it to other people to worry for their selves.

That answer is pretty obvious.
Steve

[anothersteve]

they will be in Winn Dixie today breathing on us.

You never know who is breathing on you.

Steve

[Alana33]

A contribution to a “news” outlet with a clear political agenda by an unnamed “journalist”.

Villagers getting dinner or drinks at the square are hardly protesting “the lockdown”.

Guess you can't read?
Both journalist and news outlet are named.
With freedoms there are responsibilities.
Dinner and drinks?
Your right to spread a dangerous virus supersedes everyone else's right to remain safe from contagion?

[Bronxmike]

Out Of Touch | Kevin James Short Film - YouTube (https://youtu.be/wfGAktuU93s)

[Alana33]

May 12 Recap – Today, as of noon, the DOH announced that the total of COVID-19 cases in Florida reached 41,923, an increase of 941 cases since yesterday. Total deaths from the virus is 1,779 an increase of 44 cases in the past 24 hours. Those hospitalized with COVID-19 is 7,418 an increase of 194 cases since yesterday.

[CarolSells]

Guess you can't read?
Both journalist and news outlet are named.
With freedoms there are responsibilities.
Dinner and drinks?
Your right to spread a dangerous virus supersedes everyone else's right to remain safe from contagion?

Respinning what I said into that tired saw is a little silly.

Don’t preach to me about responsibilities. As far as I know, expressing an opinion is still allowed.

As far as freedom goes, feel free to be as paranoid as you like and stay home for as long as you like.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Maybe they know something the rest of us are not aware of.😣😣

[Byte1]

For crying out loud, some of you REALLY think that you can dictate others' actions. This is a free country, whether you like it or not. If you NEED the gov. nanny to protect you, then maybe you don't deserve to live in this FREE country. If those folks felt it was safe enough to mingle together, that is their problem and their use of their freedom, whether or not you approve. No one has declared martial law and we do not live in the USSR. Get over it. If you don't approve, fine....jot down your disapproval and move on with your life. People like some of you are responsible for seat belt laws, warning labels on tobacco and helmet laws. Things that REQUIRE the gov to dictate to you how you are to live your lives. I grew up with NO seat belts and made it just fine. No one needed a warning label on tobacco to know that it was dangerous and Florida is one of the few states that does not have a helmet law. Some folks can use common sense and manage their own lifestyles and others are just wasting oxygen. The same ones that complain about groups of people having fun are the same ones that complain about lawn ornaments and improper parking. I am surprised that some of you can live so long with all the stress you impose on yourselves over what other folks are doing that you do not approve of. Folks have differing opinions and that is not a bad thing. I wonder how many of you social distance and wear masks during the flu season. A lot of folks die from the flu every year. The handy wipes at the entrance to stores did not start just since the virus pandemic.
That said, I wear my mask and gloves when I go shopping and I try to social distance when it is possible. Do I social distance all the time? No, because I interact with my neighbors across the street. They are out and about every day. I am not. But, I refuse to live in fear. I will take the precautions that suit me. No matter how much you protect yourself, there is always going to be those that either protect themselves better or worst than what you feel is suitable. So be it. It is what it is.
Stress will kill you also. If you do not like what others are doing, then stay home. Maybe the person complaining did not have a legitimate reason for driving past that group of folks that were enjoying life. Maybe that person was taking just as much chance being out and about as they were, when he or she did not need to be out and about. Who knows? I really don't care, because I will concern myself with myself and my spouse, and not everyone else. In my opinion, the world is over populated anyway. Maybe the stupid should make way for the contributors. In my opinion, it is not up to the gov to protect the stupid and it is definitely not my responsibility to take on the job. I have better things to do. I plan on enjoying what time I have left on earth before I get planted under the earth. But, by all means, if you insist on making everyone else's business yours, then stress yourself out and shorten your own life doing so. I am not going insist that you change your lifestyle to comply with mine. I am merely mentioning my opinion and giving a bit of a suggestion. Take it or leave it. I don't need the Constitution as reference to tell me that we live in a free country. For some of us that fought for it, FREEDOM has a flavor that the protected will never taste. I neither wish to control your actions or be controlled by anyone's wishes or opinions. My only concern today is of running out of toilet paper, and that worry is very slight since I have enough to last me a month without having to shop for more. And on a positive note, since we are mostly cloistered at home I have no need to worry about my barber shop reopening soon.
I do take the pandemic seriously. I just do not feel it to be my responsibility to force others to take it seriously.
Have a great day.............or not. It's your choice.

[JoMar]

For crying out loud, some of you REALLY think that you can dictate others' actions. This is a free country, whether you like it or not. If you NEED the gov. nanny to protect you, then maybe you don't deserve to live in this FREE country. If those folks felt it was safe enough to mingle together, that is their problem and their use of their freedom, whether or not you approve. No one has declared martial law and we do not live in the USSR. Get over it. If you don't approve, fine....jot down your disapproval and move on with your life. People like some of you are responsible for seat belt laws, warning labels on tobacco and helmet laws. Things that REQUIRE the gov to dictate to you how you are to live your lives. I grew up with NO seat belts and made it just fine. No one needed a warning label on tobacco to know that it was dangerous and Florida is one of the few states that does not have a helmet law. Some folks can use common sense and manage their own lifestyles and others are just wasting oxygen. The same ones that complain about groups of people having fun are the same ones that complain about lawn ornaments and improper parking. I am surprised that some of you can live so long with all the stress you impose on yourselves over what other folks are doing that you do not approve of. Folks have differing opinions and that is not a bad thing. I wonder how many of you social distance and wear masks during the flu season. A lot of folks die from the flu every year. The handy wipes at the entrance to stores did not start just since the virus pandemic.
That said, I wear my mask and gloves when I go shopping and I try to social distance when it is possible. Do I social distance all the time? No, because I interact with my neighbors across the street. They are out and about every day. I am not. But, I refuse to live in fear. I will take the precautions that suit me. No matter how much you protect yourself, there is always going to be those that either protect themselves better or worst than what you feel is suitable. So be it. It is what it is.
Stress will kill you also. If you do not like what others are doing, then stay home. Maybe the person complaining did not have a legitimate reason for driving past that group of folks that were enjoying life. Maybe that person was taking just as much chance being out and about as they were, when he or she did not need to be out and about. Who knows? I really don't care, because I will concern myself with myself and my spouse, and not everyone else. In my opinion, the world is over populated anyway. Maybe the stupid should make way for the contributors. In my opinion, it is not up to the gov to protect the stupid and it is definitely not my responsibility to take on the job. I have better things to do. I plan on enjoying what time I have left on earth before I get planted under the earth. But, by all means, if you insist on making everyone else's business yours, then stress yourself out and shorten your own life doing so. I am not going insist that you change your lifestyle to comply with mine. I am merely mentioning my opinion and giving a bit of a suggestion. Take it or leave it. I don't need the Constitution as reference to tell me that we live in a free country. For some of us that fought for it, FREEDOM has a flavor that the protected will never taste. I neither wish to control your actions or be controlled by anyone's wishes or opinions. My only concern today is of running out of toilet paper, and that worry is very slight since I have enough to last me a month without having to shop for more. And on a positive note, since we are mostly cloistered at home I have no need to worry about my barber shop reopening soon.
I do take the pandemic seriously. I just do not feel it to be my responsibility to force others to take it seriously.
Have a great day.............or not. It's your choice.

Which is why the government gets involved....they walk among us.

[sloanst]

Sorry, but I think that states have no right to make law contrary to the Constitution. If the states could, the Constitution would be worthless.

[Byte1]

:ohdear: Luv how the major response from people is that "It is my right", "I can do what I want". There is no where in our Constitution or laws that says you can do whatever you want, whenever you want!!! Where and when has anyone said that the current situations are permanent.

Where's the law that prohibits that person from having a good time? All those folks were aware of the seriousness of the pandemic and all of them decided that they were going to use their own free will and gather to enjoy their time. How do you know there was anyone infected in that group? Personally, I would not join that type of gathering, but I would not prohibit them from doing so. Some people would prohibit others from operating motorcycles, using charcoal grills in their back yards or parking a red car in their drive way, if they thought they could control the situation.

[queasy27]

Just because people want to get back to normal does not make them STUPID.

Agreed.

And those who choose a more cautious approach are not "paranoid" "scaredy cats" who would rather "cower" at home to "fear monger." Neither are they all the "obese" "elderly" who aren't physically active and engaged.

[coffeebean]

Cuomo: Most new NY coronavirus hospitalizations are from people who stayed home (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html)

So much for that!! Keep in mind, we are NOT New York. The leadership and environment are totally different!

Sorry. I don't buy it. Those people who became infected while isolating themselves, did NOT stay at home. There must be some sort of break down in the understanding of what "Isolation" really means. If their homes were clean of the virus, the virus did not blow in through the open window. Sorry, it just doesn't happen that way.

[Byte1]

Guess you can't read?
Both journalist and news outlet are named.
With freedoms there are responsibilities.
Dinner and drinks?
Your right to spread a dangerous virus supersedes everyone else's right to remain safe from contagion?

I bet none of them had the virus and that makes your comment a moot point. How many masks do you see during the flu season? I have never seen one in the Villages, yet the flu takes tens of thousand lives every year. I bet you have seen those handy wipes at the store entrances BEFORE this pandemic. I wonder why. Maybe because of the flu? It is your choice to live in fear. It is not your obligation to force your fear on others.

[Number 10 GI]

starflyte1 We will NEVER get rid of the virus if uninformed, careless people continue to gather in close proximity. I don't understand why people don't get it! The sooner people distance and use masks, the sooner we are rid of this virus. The better chance our loved ones and friends will survive this dreadful illness.

A virus doesn't go away, it keeps coming back in a mutated version every year.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

If it only affected the people involved it would be different but it doesn't. Someone that gets the virus may be the one you come in contact with at a store or maybe the gas pump. I read where a woman got it by touching a keypad at a pharmacy. Don't ask me how they trace these things back...I don't know.



Then she touched her face BEFORE she washed her hands. This virus does not have feet. People move this virus around. It is so easy to protect yourself when you are out of your home. Everyone has to be on the alert to protect themselves. We have been told so many times what to do. Just do it!

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I am surprised that some of you can live so long with all the stress you impose on yourselves over what other folks are doing that you do not approve of...Stress will kill you also.

Thank you. Finally someone else is talking about this! Why this information is not disseminated more often, especially by medical doctors, is the eighth wonder of the world. And it's not just stress, unfortunately - it's all negative emotions. Negative emotions can make you sick – here are some ways to manage them (https://psychiatry.news/2019-04-24-negative-emotions-can-make-you-sick.html)

[Number 10 GI]

A person’s rights stop when they infringe on someone else’s rights. Spreading the virus affects more people than just the person who doesn’t care. In the 70’s people were arrested if they had HIV and had sex without telling their partner. The constitution does not give people the right to do whatever they want if it harms others.

We don't prohibit people from driving automobiles but there are people who shouldn't be driving in the first place due to age, health, or just plain inability to drive safely. Look up the number of fatal accidents that happen every year.
A study by John Hopkins estimates that up to 250,000 people die every year due to medical mistakes by doctors and other medical personnel. The study show says that medical errors are the third highest cause of death in the US.

The HIV arrests you cite is quite a different thing, those people knew they were sick and KNOWINGLY passed on the disease.

[Alana33]

We'll be ready to reopen when people follow guidelines for theirs and others safety.
Freedom is a responsibility not an unearned privilege to do as we please.
Stop acting like spoiled whiny brats who are willing to hurt others and put them at risk!
The SELFISHNESS I see in some of these posts is mind-boggling.

[Tom M]

“Some people don’t agree with things opening — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some people are still planning to stay home — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some are scared of getting the virus and a second wave happening — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some are sighing with relief to go back to work knowing they may not lose their business or their homes — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some are thankful they can finally have a surgery they have put off — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some will be able to attend interviews after weeks without a job — that’s okay. Be kind.

“Some will wear masks for weeks — that’s okay. Be kind.


“Some people will rush out to get the hair or nails done — that’s okay. Be kind.

“The point is, everyone has different viewpoints or feelings and that’s okay. Be kind.

“We each have a different story. So remember, be kind.”

[Byte1]

We'll be ready to reopen when people follow guidelines for theirs and others safety.
Freedom is a responsibility not an unearned privilege to do as we please.
Stop acting like spoiled whiny brats who are willing to hurt others and put them at risk!
The SELFISHNESS I see in some of these posts is mind-boggling.

Your opinion. Not necessarily shared by others.

[coffeebean]

Something is going to get you sooner or later. Be safe, but you better enjoy life.

This "something" is a dreadful illness. If you are one of the unfortunate to be effected severely, this virus can play havoc with a person's clotting mechanism and cause clots anywhere in the body. This virus also causes multiple organ failure besides the ravaging it does to the lungs. If you are one of the unlucky ones to be severely impacted by this virus, it is a miserable way to die.

[coffeebean]

they will be in Winn Dixie today breathing on us.

Not if they are wearing a mask. The mask blocks the droplets that are spewed when someone speaks in a normal tone.

I get it. You can not eat and drink with a mask on. Hubby and I celebrated our first breakfast out since this pandemic in Mt. Dora yesterday. We dined outside on a second story balcony. The only other patron was clear on the other side of the balcony about 25 feet away. It was just lovely. We did not wear masks because it really is impossible to eat and drink when wearing a mask.

So, to all you folks who are having a wonderful time eating and drinking and congregating in public establishments....... don't wear a mask. Having said that, please wear a mask when you are indoors in stores and can not easily social distance. That would be just about every indoor space that has aisles including retail stores, grocery stores, warehouses and pharmacies. Is it too much to ask? Only responsible people wear masks in these venues. Thank you for being responsible.

[thelegges]

Day 9 of eating out. I must be going to all the right places. Not at any given time has the protocols set in place, not been followed. Up to 10 people per table with 6” distance to next table, is the guidelines. Last time someone posted over a 100 at an establishment, I was there picking up food for a neighbor. I sat there for 15 Waiting, no where close to 40 much less the 100. Those doing drive by’s, might want to stop and count for a better accurate count. But then it would make a good story.

Support the local staff even if you pickup. Their families are struggling.

[coffeebean]

Respinning what I said into that tired saw is a little silly.

Don’t preach to me about responsibilities. As far as I know, expressing an opinion is still allowed.

As far as freedom goes, feel free to be as paranoid as you like and stay home for as long as you like.

I wish it were that easy. There are folks who have to keep doctor's appointments and must continue to have diagnostic testing. In those circumstances, staying at home is not a viable option.

[rakopacz@comcast.net]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

[thelegges]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

Nice first post. Refuse treatment, must not be in the medical field. Even if you just shot and killed someone, and were also shot. You still get medical care.

Your theory is flawed. Most do not go to hospital for treatment. They are monitored at home, with no medical staff present. Since I know 11 that contracted Covid while working, none of them were treated at any facility. All have recovered, donating plasma, and back to work.
So how many would be willing to do that, Every Healthcare worker, that puts not only their self at risk, but their family as well. They treat each person the same. Something you have very little knowledge of

[Vikingjunior]

I find it hilarious that the old people who bitch and moan about younger people living in TV now wants us to stay home.��������������������������������������������� ���

[DaveZ]

I was reading some posts for and against reopening here in The Villages and our country in general. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.
There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?
You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.
You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.
The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.
I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.
And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could die from obesity. I could die from a heart attack. I could be in a car accident. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to forever cringe and glare everytime someone coughs, sneezes or has the sniffles? Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?
Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.
But sheltering in place is not living.

Agree. Well written. God bless the essential workers you mention; that the elite and pampered have “allowed” to be so.

[Jazzman]

[QUOTE=BobnBev;1763786]Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:[/

Were they overflowing into the street or down the walkway to the radio station? Can’t believe the number. Just like last Friday someone posted there were over 100 people at the bar at City Fire. That’s a bunch of BS. I was there at six to eight and at any point in time there were about twenty. The outside bar area has x number of seats. They cannot exceed the capacity of those seats and will not be served if you are just standing.

[Jazzman]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

And the same goes for all those who don’t take care of themselves from a health perspective. You’re okay with that too, right?

[golfing eagles]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

Congratulations, you win the idiotic post of the day award :eclipsee_gold_cup::eclipsee_gold_cup:

I'm looking over at my Hippocratic oath hanging on the wall, and it doesn't seem to mention refusing care to sick people. I'd suggest you read it if you can get enough light under your bed.

PS: nice first post, welcome:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

We'll be ready to reopen when people follow guidelines for theirs and others safety.
Freedom is a responsibility not an unearned privilege to do as we please.
Stop acting like spoiled whiny brats who are willing to hurt others and put them at risk!
The SELFISHNESS I see in some of these posts is mind-boggling.

I suggest you read post #15, then read it again.

[Number 10 GI]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

They did something like this in the late 1930's and early 1940's in Germany.

[Number 10 GI]

I wish it were that easy. There are folks who have to keep doctor's appointments and must continue to have diagnostic testing. In those circumstances, staying at home is not a viable option.

You drive in your car or golf cart to the doctor or lab, you won't get the virus while driving. Doctor's offices and labs control entry and only allow 1 or 2 people in at a time and sterilize the things you come into contact with. Your risk is very low.
When you go to the doctor or a lab you are being exposed to all kinds of other illnesses that can prove fatal also. That's why many people go to the doctor or have lab work done, they are sick with something.

[GoodLife]

[QUOTE=BobnBev;1763786]Drove past RJ Gators (LSL) last night....about 200 people crowded together blocking the sidewalk, drinking and dancing. Guess they are immune from the virus.:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:[/

Were they overflowing into the street or down the walkway to the radio station? Can’t believe the number. Just like last Friday someone posted there were over 100 people at the bar at City Fire. That’s a bunch of BS. I was there at six to eight and at any point in time there were about twenty. The outside bar area has x number of seats. They cannot exceed the capacity of those seats and will not be served if you are just standing.

It appears the art of fake news has been mastered by some here.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

My thoughts on this matter are very simple. Those of you that would like to go back to life as it was to socialize with your friends go to restaurants and attend parties should be tattooed. So when those tattooed people show up at the hospitals they should be refused medical treatment. Hospital staff should treat people that are obeying the rules not ones that put themselves and the medical staff in jeopardy.
So I wonder how many people would be willing to do that?

How do you spell slippery slope? One could say the same thing for smokers, drinkers, overeaters, folks who work around dangerous chemicals, people who worry themselves sick, etc.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I find it hilarious that the old people who bitch and moan about younger people living in TV now want us to stay home.

By your logic, if they "bitch and moan about younger people living in TV," they've probably ALWAYS wanted you to stay home.

Not all "old people" feel this way about younger people.