Mask Paranoia

[Leadbone1]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

[karostay]

I feel very safe here..The Villages is blessed with 120,000 health experts

[DDVeteran]

The Flat Earth Society is always looking for new members.

[dewilson58]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? .


As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:

[Leadbone1]

I feel very safe here..The Villages is blessed with 120,000 health experts

I am proud to be one of them.😎

[DeanFL]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Well, if you don't wear the mask, at least wear this - you no doubt have a few in the closet>

[golfing eagles]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

[golfing eagles]

I am proud to be one of them.😎

How so???? Your OP would seem to indicate otherwise.

[GoodLife]

As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:

No. When Dr Fauici and the CDC told us to skip the mask they already knew the virus spread by droplets from sneezes, coughs etc This has been known about viruses for a long time, before this current pandemic. Nothing changed except they reversed course.

[Leadbone1]

Well, if you don't wear the mask, at least wear this - you no doubt have a few in the closet>

Cute But irrelevant. You just expose yourself as part of the problem. Enjoy your paranoia

[Leadbone1]

How so???? Your OP would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just playing along with the sarcastic Original statement. 😎

[queasy27]

From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm?s_cid=mm6919e6_e&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM28169)show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

[CarolSells]

Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

[golfing eagles]

From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm?s_cid=mm6919e6_e&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM28169)show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

To be a bit more precise, from the very beginning it was requested that those who had the infection SELF QUARANTINE for 14 days---no going out even with a mask

[DeanFL]

Cute But irrelevant. You just expose yourself as part of the problem. Enjoy your paranoia

NOT paranoia. Simply a measure of safety, in case I AM infected, and a 'carrier' to others. The mask simply inhibits (to a degree) MY exhaling/coughing/sneezing from affecting others around me. period. There are so many studies showing this.

My 'exposure' as you say is a simple attempt to lighten things up - not a "problem'. I respect all views - but please don't impact others if you have a chance, as small as it might be, to infect others around you. I happen to be smack in the middle of the High Risk group - so please stay more than 6' away.

If you choose NOT to wear a seatbelt...OK - your choice, and it MAY kill you, as well as increase avg car insurance. If you drink and drive...it affects all others on the road.
Your choice, but...

[DDVeteran]

Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

The most intelligent and sensible post on this subject I have read on TOTV.

[golfing eagles]

The most intelligent and sensible post on this subject I have read on TOTV.

TY, Father Sanducci

[DeanFL]

a short video showing mask vs. no mask>


Wearing mask vs not wearing mask - YouTube (https://youtu.be/AGWREIcS5Rk)

[golfing eagles]

a short video showing mask vs. no mask>


Wearing mask vs not wearing mask - YouTube (https://youtu.be/AGWREIcS5Rk)

Aha, You Tube----the DEFINITIVE source authority for all medical information :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

Because prisoners don't get room service or curb-side pickup. Because prisoners don't get their exercise in any of dozens of public parks where it's easy to spread out. Because prisoners don't get to use their own personal living room to watch TV, use a computer, or even use a telephone. They don't even get their own shower.

Prisoners are in prison. A lot of people all bunched up together. Doing things as groups.

[Velvet]

The change regarding masks was a result of newer information about the virus.

[JoMar]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Thanks for looking out for us :(

[graciegirl]

The interview with this physician, Dr. Joseph Fair, who is a contributor to NBC was conducted from his hospital bed on Today, today.. He is 42, a runner and in good health. He was just released last night from intensive care and still has a way to go to recover.. Here you can hear his views on masks etc. He says Covid-19 can enter through the eyes too. He also says that he has been tested four times and each time got a false negative. He treated himself at home for five days after getting sick after a flight. On the fifth day he had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital because he was having difficulty breathing. See here;

Dr. Joseph Fair: ’Best guess’ is I got coronavirus through my eyes (https://www.today.com/video/dr-joseph-fair-best-guess-is-i-got-coronavirus-through-my-eyes-83456069750)

Sorry. He was interviewed also by Savannah and Hoda and in that interview he said more about masks.

I say wear them. Unless you want to have a bigger chance to die. That is it, pure and simple.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The interview with this physician who is a contributor to NBC was conducted from his hospital bed on Today, today.. He is 42, a runner and in good health. He was just released last night from critical care and still has a way to go to recover.. Here you can hear his views on masks etc. He says Covid-19 can enter through the eyes too. He also says that he has been tested four times and each time got a false negative. He treated himself at home for five days after getting sick after a flight. On the fifth day he had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital because he was having difficulty breathing. See here;

Dr. Joseph Fair: ’Best guess’ is I got coronavirus through my eyes (https://www.today.com/video/dr-joseph-fair-best-guess-is-i-got-coronavirus-through-my-eyes-83456069750)

That's why they warn people to wear disposable gloves, SANITIZE their gloves if they can't dispose of them immediately after use, and to use sanitizer and wash their hands regularly, and NOT touch their eyes.

You get the virus on your hands, and then rub an itch in your eye, and you could easily transfer the virus to your eye.

That is the #1 way conjunctivitis is spread; someone with pink-eye rubs their eye - it gets on their hand, they shake your hand, you rub an itch on your eye, and boom. You now have conjunctivitis.

[graciegirl]

dr. joseph fair - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dr.+joseph+fair&docid=13823805369800&mid=22D186DF3D610C4258F422D186DF3D610C4258F4&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[Rwirish]

As more is learned about this new virus guidelines have and will continue to change.

[crash]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

The mask is not to protect you from the virus but to protect others from getting it from you. That is why at first they said you did not need it. They then discovered that you could be infectious without symptoms so recommended everyone wear a mask. So you are basically saying to everyone screw you I don’t care if you get the virus by not wearing the mask.

You do not need to wear the mask unless you are going to be in close contact with others. Is it really such a big deal to show respect to others by wearing a mask?

Trump doesn’t wear a mask but everyone that comes in contact with him does.

[coalminer]

You can believe the scientists and medical experts or others who have their own agenda and may bend reality to accomplish it. That's your choice. But remember, you may be betting your life on it.

[CarolSells]

Because prisoners don't get room service or curb-side pickup. Because prisoners don't get their exercise in any of dozens of public parks where it's easy to spread out. Because prisoners don't get to use their own personal living room to watch TV, use a computer, or even use a telephone. They don't even get their own shower.

Prisoners are in prison. A lot of people all bunched up together. Doing things as groups.

Oh. Like groups at the grocery, or groups at the dog parks, or groups at the pools. I see.

[Dave Laluk]

I will continue to wear a mask in public to protect my neighbors, their kids and grandkids IN CASE I'M INFECTED AND NOT SHOWING SYMPTOMS. Imagine if I happened to infect one of your grandchildren...… I would feel terrible.

If I am showing symptoms, I will stay at home for at least two weeks or until they are gone. (Or I die) The simple masks do little to nothing to protect the person wearing them. People who are not wearing masks in public are putting the rest of us at risk.

[yamma3]

From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm?s_cid=mm6919e6_e&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM28169)show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

Wow. A voice of reason. So many of the posters on this subject make me cringe.

[Singerlady]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Go for it. I prefer to try that extra layer. By me wearing the mask, I’m protecting you. How about you wear one and protect me?
And why did they say it’s just the flu and it’ll be gone? It’s not gone....

[jacksonbrown]

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid.

I concur.

[ladyarwen3]

actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "p's" the mask will stop them from spreading it to other people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. Science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, i wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But i don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.
spot on!!!

[Samfl]

We’re on the same page. Totally ridiculous to be out walking or riding a bike with a mask or even in a store for that matter.

[Dana1963]

It seems the MANDATE now in the White House all should wear a mask except when at their desk. That is except the President.
Everyone working or VISITING the executive offices are tested daily.
I will continue to wear a mask until I feel comfortable in enclosed areas. No resturant, theaters or squares and NO I'm not even thinking about a cruise or flying.

[Lindsyburnsy]

If someone coughs or sneezes in front of you, would you rather they cough into a mask or without a mask? No mask is perfect but lots of droplets that spray out, will get trapped into a mask. Why such an aversion to wearing them? It’s not a sign of weakness, but rather a sign of consideration of others.
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

[davem4616]

my wife and I put on our masks whenever we go into any retail store...what's the big deal?

I got into the habit of always buckling up the seat belt whenever I started up the car way before it became the law....because it made sense and it saves lives

my dad led the Safety Initiatives for a large heavy manufacturing company for most of his professional career...as a kid topics dealing with safety and accidents caused by unsafe actions/conditions and how those accidents changed people's lives forever were often the conversation around the dinner table

I haven't completely emptied my 'bucket list' yet, but I intend to...I'm not scared of this virus, but I choose to play it safe...wearing a mask right now in public makes sense to me...on a number of levels

the experts still don't know what they don't know about this virus

[LKFraserFL]

I believe they changed when it became known that people can be infected but asymptomatic.

[Stu from NYC]

We’re on the same page. Totally ridiculous to be out walking or riding a bike with a mask or even in a store for that matter.

So you disagree with wearing a mask while driving a car or golf cart?:bigbow:

[Annie66]

Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

Well said …… the mask I wear protects others. I wish others would respect my health.

[SouthJerseyGirl]

What don’t you get about this? Common sense tells you that a mask offers everyone more protection from germs than no mask. It’s just not that difficult to figure out.

[calibantwo]

The mask is a courtesy for others. It does not screen out the virus. It keeps you from spreading the virus to others if you are a carrier.

[graciegirl]

No. When Dr Fauici and the CDC told us to skip the mask they already knew the virus spread by droplets from sneezes, coughs etc This has been known about viruses for a long time, before this current pandemic. Nothing changed except they reversed course.

I think, if we remember, at the start of our awareness, in early March, we were asked to not buy the masks, there were few available then, and we were requested to allow the meager supply to be used by medical people in the front lines.

[hrdcorpsmarine]

If you don’t want to wear a mask, DON’T. However respect everyone space. 6 feet and no coughing or sneezing. If you fail to take precautions for all these things you could find yourself in a hurt locker. Just saying.

[Joe C.]

From Dr. Fair.....Covid can enter the body through the eyes.
So how about this new theory...…"IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO IS INFECTED WITH THE COVID -19 VIRUS, YOU WILL CATCH IT".
Then we will all have to walk around wearing horse blinders.
:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
Just kidding....

[billethkid]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

The initial discouraging of the mask to do or not was to stop the stampede for masks to allow the medical providers adequate supply.

Why is it those who are against masks cannot just be satisfied with their decision?

Why do they always have to diss and put down and make derogatory remarks of those who think otherwise?

Be happy in YOUR thoughts but please allow the rest of us the same courtesy.

[allsport]

Two things about the masks, first they told you not to use them because they needed them for the frontline providers and there were not enough and now they want you to wear them as they have scientifically proven that when everyone wears a mask, the spread rate of the virus drops dramatically. It holds your droplets in place and does not shower other people so you wear one to protect others and they wear one to protect you. One stat you have is very wrong. This virus has a 6% death rate currently which is much worse than the flu that has about a 1/2 of 1% death rate. It is not that easy to catch the flu, you have to be showered with the bug directly, Covid 19 hangs in the air and you can get it just by walking in the air that has been contaminated. It is so much more contagious. Be good to your fellow man and wear a mask.

[graciegirl]

From Dr. Fair.....Covid can enter the body through the eyes.
So how about this new theory...…"IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO IS INFECTED WITH THE COVID -19 VIRUS, YOU WILL CATCH IT".
Then we will all have to walk around wearing horse blinders.
:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:
Just kidding....

Seventy thousand comedians out of work...………………..

[Agentjanhusak@gmail.com]

I totally agree and I have to bite my tongue when I’m in a store and someone stops to chastise the person not wearing a mask........get over your fears people!!!!

[billethkid]

I totally agree and I have to bite my tongue when I’m in a store and someone stops to chastise the person not wearing a mask........get over your fears people!!!!

Why do those who choose not to wear a mask feel ALWAYS feel obligated to distort doing so to equal to fear?

While in the same litany make sure they boast in one way or another that not wearing one a good decision?

[ffresh]

Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

Stop that critical thinking immediately; we'll have none of it. Toe the party line or you shall be ostracized severely. :icon_wink:

Besides, we have to ensure that there is sufficient room in the prisons for those who are truly a danger to society - people who do not wear the mandated masks, those who do not social distance properly and those who insist on exercising their Constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and redress of grievances

Fred :spoken:

[Madelaine Amee]

Am I the only person who has noticed the number of nurses in the ICUs that are wearing eye goggles along with their other protective gear. There must be a reason for this extra layer of protection.

[huange@verizon.net]

The news reported that the virus can be transferred thru the eyes. I suppose we’ll be seeing goggles soon.

[anothersteve]

The news reported that the virus can be transferred thru the eyes. I suppose we’ll be seeing goggles soon.

That has been known almost since day one. Why is the media going to pound that into our heads now?

Steve

[zonerboy]

Am I the only person who has noticed the number of nurses in the ICUs that are wearing eye goggles along with their other protective gear. There must be a reason for this extra layer of protection.

Yes there is a reason: the surface of the eyes are kept moist by fluid secreted by glands under the eyelids. This fluid (known as tears) flows into tear ducts in the corner of the eyes, and these ducts empty into the nose. This is why crying makes your nose run. So if you get the virus into your eyes by touching your face or rubbing your eyes, the virus will be washed into your nose and from there into your throat. Bingo....infection!

[fdpaq0580]

Why do those who choose not to wear a mask feel ALWAYS feel obligated to distort doing so to equal to fear?

While in the same litany make sure they boast in one way or another that not wearing one a good decision?

Maybe it's because that is their way of dealing with their own fear. They may be so afraid of being thought of as being one of the herd ( herd "A") that they go to these measures to try to assure themselves they are brave, tough, unique and independent, just like all the others in herd "B".
????

[cherylncliff]

N95 masks, if properly fitted and worn, will protect you from inhaling viral particles. If you touch the mask or a contaminated surface and then rub your eye or nose then you have infected yourself. Cloth and paper masks provide very little protection to the wearer. The recommendation to wear masks was made to prevent asymptomatic people or people not yet feeling ill but still infectious from further spreading the virus. In other words, wearing masks is to protect others. If everyone wears a mask in public then we protect each other. If you do not care about your fellow human being, then do not wear a mask but if they then get sick from you and infect someone you love, you have to live with the consequences.

[ffresh]

That has been known almost since day one. Why is the media going to pound that into our heads now?

Steve

EXCELLENT question, Steve. As though this were some new revelation peculiar to CV-19. Agenda-driven reporting can be the only reason. I suppose next they'll be calling for goggles … we shall see!

Fred

[billethkid]

EXCELLENT question, Steve. As though this were some new revelation peculiar to CV-19. Agenda-driven reporting can be the only reason. I suppose next they'll be calling for goggles … we shall see!

Fred

Is there any other kind of reporting??

[nevjudbaker]

The mask protects others. If you are carrying the virus & cough you are protecting others.
I have a lung disease, COPD, & asthma so I have to be extra careful. I wear a hat, a mask & a clear plastic shield to protect myself from people like you who do not wear masks. You may be encouraged by others not wearing a mask but it doesn't encourage me. Hence I only go out looking wierd but it is not that I am being ridiculous it is because I have a very good reason for my protection from others who don't wear masks. Masks are to keep your germs to yourself. I keep my germs to myself and have to protect myself as well. I need to walk to exercise my lungs, I have to buy groceries & pickup my mail. Other than that I stay home. I would like to go the the restaurants so I have the plastic shield to keep me safe.
Why do nurses, doctors & anyone entering a very sick patients room? To keep from spreading anything to the patient. To protect themselves they wear the shield. Doesn't take an expert to figure that out. Gloves are worthless.

[LynneH]

Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

[fdpaq0580]

Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

Good for you for doing the best you can to try and protect yourself and the one you love. Taking precautions are no more foolish than looking both ways before crossing the street. Those who would tease or belittle the cautious and careful have their own fears or agendas and certainly haven't considered there may be circumstances they aren't aware of.
Keep doing the best you can to keep safe and well. Nothing is 100%, but it doesn't hurt to try.

[DeanFL]

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[Marathon Man]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Here is what I don't understand. Why the heck do you care if I wear a mask?

[jimjamuser]

As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:
Exactly correct.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by dewilson58
As more was learned about the virus, things changed.

Exactly correct.

No, it's totally incorrect. Fauci and the CDC knew the virus was spreading human to human in China through people coughing sneezing droplets of virus before it even got here. They first learned about asymptomatic spreaders after anaylizing the cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February and found that 17% of the positives experienced no symptoms. Fauci was still saying masks not necessary in late March on 60 minutes.

[CarolSells]

Stop that critical thinking immediately; we'll have none of it. Toe the party line or you shall be ostracized severely. :icon_wink:

Besides, we have to ensure that there is sufficient room in the prisons for those who are truly a danger to society - people who do not wear the mandated masks, those who do not social distance properly and those who insist on exercising their Constitutional rights to peaceful assembly and redress of grievances

Fred :spoken:

Thanks for understanding my “question”

[ALadysMom]

What if we would all treat others as we want to be treated? The science and opinions about masks are too often used like a club to beat others into submitting to whatever position you believe is right. It has always seemed reasonable that covering my face Might help protect others from me and covering my eyes might help protect me from others. Why wouldn’t someone else’s tiny droplets enter my unprotected eyes, nose or mouth and set up shop if there’s nothing to inhibit them? Since sneezes and coughs are unpredictable, how would anyone know one will not sneeze or cough in a store potentially infecting others? So I wear a mask & eyeglasses in enclosed spaces but I don’t bully or chastise others because I don’t want to be treated that way. So many of the things we need to have science or lawmakers demand of us is really common sense and were things that our foremothers knew all too well: keep your distance from sick people, keep your hands out of your mouth, nose and eyes, cover yourself when you sneeze or cough, wash your hands often with plenty of soap, a hot toddy can make a sick adult feel a little better, warm sunshine & fresh air are really good disinfectants—but always— treat others like you want to be treated. (I can hear my Grandma & Mom’s voices as I write this. So grateful for their words of wisdom, RIP)

[retiredguy123]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is that they did lie about masks because there was a shortage and they wanted health care workers to get the available masks. It's the same kind of lie they tell when a hurricane hits and they say that looters will be prosecuted.

[Inexes@aol.com]

Aha, You Tube----the DEFINITIVE source authority for all medical information :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

LOL...... get 'em Doc. Ranks right up there with the "Google search vs your medical degree"...... I love your posts :clap2:

[ALadysMom]

Until at least 14 days after the opening of public places, we cannot tell whether wearing masks contributes to health safety. I have a spouse with health risks. I wear a mask and gloves when I go out as protection for when I return home.

Everyone wishes masks would come with an impossible guarantee. Respect for others and reasonableness would go a long way. Is it better to:
A) wear a mask and risk that it did nothing beneficial?
Or
B) not wear a mask and show disrespect for others and risk infecting them?
I think option A is respectful in certain reasonably limited, enclosed public situations. Wearing a mask while walking or jogging outside all alone or while driving a car or working in your own yard are unreasonable and potentially more of a safety risk to the mask wearer.

Isn’t it illogical that lawbreakers (criminals) are expected to magically transform their behavior and comply with social distancing and mask wearing guidelines?

Many of the mask enforcing patrol are the same folks who don’t respect fetal human life. Demanding protection for others is inconsistent if it is not extended to all humans, an inconvenient truth.

[ALadysMom]

The mask protects others. If you are carrying the virus & cough you are protecting others.
I have a lung disease, COPD, & asthma so I have to be extra careful. I wear a hat, a mask & a clear plastic shield to protect myself from people like you who do not wear masks. You may be encouraged by others not wearing a mask but it doesn't encourage me. Hence I only go out looking wierd but it is not that I am being ridiculous it is because I have a very good reason for my protection from others who don't wear masks. Masks are to keep your germs to yourself. I keep my germs to myself and have to protect myself as well. I need to walk to exercise my lungs, I have to buy groceries & pickup my mail. Other than that I stay home. I would like to go the the restaurants so I have the plastic shield to keep me safe.
Why do nurses, doctors & anyone entering a very sick patients room? To keep from spreading anything to the patient. To protect themselves they wear the shield. Doesn't take an expert to figure that out. Gloves are worthless.

You also have an abundance of commitment, intelligence, respect and prudence which you use to try to outwit a viral invader. It takes dedication and courage to do what you’re doing. Keep up the good efforts. May good health and peace be with you.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Oh. Like groups at the grocery, or groups at the dog parks, or groups at the pools. I see.

Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.

[Leadbone1]

Here is what I don't understand. Why the heck do you care if I wear a mask?

I don’t care one bit that you ware a mask. I just find it amusing that people who put these flimsy non surgical face coverings on actually believe that they’re protecting themselves from something? Knock yourself out!

[Velvet]

When we can get the N95 or even better N99 masks to protect ourselves then we can finally stop begging others to wear their masks.

[Number 10 GI]

Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.

The criminals in jail did have an option, to not commit the crime that got them there in the first place. The things you do can have undesirable consequences.

[Madelaine Amee]

A note to all n on-mask wearers:

You will not get into a hair salon, or any other type of salon without a mask. You will not get into a doctor's office either and I am sure there are many other professional buildings you will not get into. Also, Fresh Market is closed to you without a mask.

It may prove to be totally unnecessary, but right now I am not taking a chance, the mask is a nuisance I am prepared to put up with in the hopes of protecting myself and my husband.

[Two Bills]

F it!
I'm staying indoors.
Last person standing, please call to let me know it's safe to come out!!

[queasy27]

I just find it amusing that people who put these flimsy non surgical face coverings on actually believe that they’re protecting themselves from something?

And you've personally queried every mask wearer about his or her beliefs to know this?

No one here has said they believe wearing a face covering protects them. They're solely used to help reduce any possible spread to others.

[Really?]

Sorry ... you can't mask 'stupidity'.... ;-(

[Number 10 GI]

And you've personally queried every mask wearer about his or her beliefs to know this?

No one here has said they believe wearing a face covering protects them. They're solely used to help reduce any possible spread to others.

Go back and read some of the older threads, there were all kinds of people claiming that a mask would prevent you from being infected.

[Velvet]

F it!
I'm staying indoors.
Last person standing, please call to let me know it's safe to come out!!

I’m with you! LOL

[Topspinmo]

Go for it. I prefer to try that extra layer. By me wearing the mask, I’m protecting you. How about you wear one and protect me?
And why did they say it’s just the flu and it’ll be gone? It’s not gone....

The flu Will never gone and it never will.

[Topspinmo]

When we can get the N95 or even better N99 masks to protect ourselves then we can finally stop begging others to wear their masks.

You missed you’re chance in early January.

[Marathon Man]

Why are some people bothered so much by someone else wearing a mask? Geez.

[Alana33]

10 Myths About the Coronavirus You Shouldn't Believe

Debunking 10 Common Myths About Coronavirus (http://click.email.aarp.org/?qs=9bccd638832295c3102f5a62ba58a0f9e28082e40163c2 b3b9002a320a9304283907b20a04c89cf3a7a0b4b87b154a35 e3ae92beee55f671437ba129b6802317)

[JoMar]

Go back and read some of the older threads, there were all kinds of people claiming that a mask would prevent you from being infected.

I agree, wonder how that happens? CDC, Doctors, Nurses, Scientists have all said you wear it to protect others, not yourself. The mask reduces the travel distance if you sneeze or cough. It's also suggested you don't need it if you are able to maintain social distancing and not in a confined space. I will say that it is encouraging to see the number of people that do wear them, even outside and for those that do...thank you.

[CarolSells]

[QUOTE=OrangeBlossomBaby;1765952]Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.[/QUOTE

Thanks for the long winded reply. (Sigh). You quite obviously missed the entire nuance of my post and therefore felt the need to educate me on prison conditions. (Yawn). If that makes you feel superior, so be it.

[yabbadu]

Right will never be Right Again.........The entitled and Business Bashers need a forum and the TOTV provides their entertainment to do so!!!!!!!!

[graciegirl]

Go back and read some of the older threads, there were all kinds of people claiming that a mask would prevent you from being infected.

It beats the hell out of nothing.

[ffresh]

Mm, not exactly. I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better.

With a prison situation, there is a very limited amount of space the prisoners are provided to occupy. They can't choose which store to go to, they are not given permission to decide when to eat, or where, or even how. They eat where and when they're ordered to eat, and they eat what they are given to eat, or they go hungry.

Outside in the rest of the world, we can choose this supermarket or that one. We can see that it's more crowded at 3pm and choose to go at 2pm instead, if we wish. We can buy fresh meat if we feel it's safe, or we can buy frozen patties if we are more comfortable with that choice. We can cook those burgers at 5 in the kitchen, or we can cook them outside on the grill at 7:30. Or, we can do curbside, or we can do inside, or outside dining at a restaurant, or have it delivered. We are not required to have the entire neighborhood line up outside Burger King in single-file and order a plain double cheeseburger, small fry, and small diet coke, then gather together at the only 5 tables in the entire restaurant and spend exactly 10 minutes eating, before we are required to get up and leave single file back to our jail cells.

In a prison situation, you have no options. You are forced to either all be together, or be in your cell with your cell mate, or you're in a solitary confinement situation, seeing no one else but the guard who brings you your meal.

This means - there is a much better opportunity for free folks like us to spread out and NOT be in close crowded proximity with each other. Unlike prisoners, who are not given that option.

You seem to have forgotten one other very important option; "I'll see if I can help you understand it a wee bit better".

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! These folks you are so worried about, have a proven track record of being predators, for the most part and you seem less than hesitant to applaud their release back into society to prow on law-abiding citizens. Some of these folks are serious felons and are not concerned that the churches are still closed (if you get my drift). Was your concern as heightened when many states placed CV-19 positive patients into nursing homes, like in PA, which resulted in 2/3 of the known deaths from Covid … just sayin'

Fred

[Joelack99]

Masks don’t stop the virus particles directly if they are in the air but do a good job of blocking the droplets that we expel when coughing, sneezing (or singing) that carry them. Experts (who originally urged not wearing them so there would be enough for front line healthcare workers) now agree we should wear them. See the video here to understand why. A mask in my view, protects others 80% and you 20%. Your mask protects me 80% from your virus and you 20% from mine. PREVENT THE SPREAD: Wear a mask to prevent infection - YouTube (https://youtu.be/pJ8PuUrOUAY)

[Ben Franklin]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you use a child's safety seat in your car, if you transport babies? Do you wear sunscreen? Do you look at the eclipse of the Sun without protection? Do you wear protection when...?

[Bucco]

Amazing, you would never believe common sense would become a P statement,but somehow the masks have been made into that.

[ColdNoMore]

Amazing, you would never believe common sense would become a P statement, but somehow the masks have been made into that.

You just don't understand.

I can look tougher, more manly and partially assuage my massive insecurities...if I don't wear a mask in public.

Especially if I can have every other single person who might come within a mile of me...wear their masks to protect me.

See how easy now...that is to understand?


And good on Fauci, for having the bravery to say basically the same thing...in public. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you use a child's safety seat in your car, if you transport babies? Do you wear sunscreen? Do you look at the eclipse of the Sun without protection? Do you wear protection when...?

Excellent points Ben. :ho:

[Boomer]

There is a glaring irony in this mask mess.

How many people who would like to go out and spend some money will not do so because they do not want to encounter anti-maskers who can cause them risk.

Anti-maskers hurt brick and mortar businesses while Amazon makes more money than ever. How’s that for irony.

By the way, Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic.

[graciegirl]

When I am seeking direction on what to do in the face of a virus that kills people, particularly the highest percent of people it infects who are over 65, I do not look to politicians, I look to science and to the experts who try to make sense of this virus which is completely new on this planet and is still not completely understood. I know that not even those who specialize in epidemics did not have a true handle on Covid-19 early on and we were struggling at first to dispense face masks that were early in March in short supply. Even now the experts are still not saying with certainty what the virus does, still studying unusual symptoms like blood clots in all ages, and Kawasaki Syndrome in little ones, so I think that people at risk will continue to err on the side of caution, hoping to hear good news and valid facts soon from the mish mash of what is real and what is conspiracy theory.

Here is something released from Dr. Fauci, who should know better than most people, how to direct us;

Dr. Anthony Fauci on How America Can Avoid a Second Wave of the Coronavirus (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-anthony-fauci-on-how-america-can-avoid-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus/ar-BB14FQpn?ocid=spartandhp)

I think some people could say the same thing I just said and you still want to bite them. It's all in the attitude.

[GoodLife]

When I am seeking direction on what to do in the face of a virus that kills people, particularly 80% percent of people it infects who are over
65

Whoa horsey!

The percentage of all covid deaths is 80% for people over 65.

The death rate for people over 65 who catch covid 19 is 1.3%

COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)

[Bucco]

Whoa horsey!

The percentage of all covid deaths is 80% for people over 65.

The death rate for people over 65 who catch covid 19 is 1.3%

COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)

I believe that is what she said !!!!!!

What is the point you wish to make about masks ???

"Dr. Anthony Fauci on Wednesday called for a cautious approach to reopening the US and implored Americans to wear face masks in public.."

Fauci says he wears a mask to be a symbol of what 'you should be doing' - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/politics/fauci-coronavirus-wear-masks-cnntv/index.html)

And please do not come back with another abridged Fauci quote. Stick with facts, not fiction.

"Virginians will soon be required to wear face masks in public to help curb the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Ralph Northam announced on Tuesday."

Virginia mandates coronavirus face masks as state sees biggest daily spike in new cases | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/virginia-mandates-coronavirus-face-masks-as-state-sees-biggest-daily-spike-in-new-cases)

[GoodLife]

I believe that is what she said !!!!!!



she said this "virus that kills people, particularly 80% percent of people it infects who are over 65

Try to stick with facts, not fiction :)

[Bucco]

she said this "virus that kills people, particularly 80% percent of people it infects who are over 65

Try to stick with facts, not fiction :)

The thread subject is MASKS, not percentages

Thanks

[Bjeanj]

We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

I am unsure as to why you started this thread.
1) was it to encourage people to discontinue wearing their masks?
2) was it to make fun of people who wear masks?
3) are you trying to validate your reason for *not* wearing a mask?

Why do you care, either way?

[billethkid]

At a doctor's appointment this morning I witnessed a woman who tried to enter the check in area without a mask. She was asked if she had one....she did not...they offered her one which she accepted with a huff!!!

Additional stress for our front line health providers to contend with.

I applaud the businesses and medical facilities that REQUIRE masks before entering.

How many folks yap about following the science .....but in the face of the science behind wearing a mask, there are so many non conformists.

Stupid cannot be fixed.

[GoodLife]

The thread subject is MASKS, not percentages

Thanks

Were you elected hall monitor recently?

If you are discussing masks and if they protect you, it might be helpful to have accurate facts on death rates and totals. For instance, pneumonia/influenza killed 117,761 americans in the 2019-2020 season. They are both contagious but we don't shut down the entire economy or wear masks to fight them.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku)

PS If as Gracie said, the death rate for covid positive over 65 people was actually 80%, I'd invest in a Bio Level 4 containment suit and wear it every time I left the house.

[graciegirl]

Were you elected hall monitor recently?

If you are discussing masks and if they protect you, it might be helpful to have accurate facts on death rates and totals. For instance, pneumonia/influenza killed 117,761 americans in the 2019-2020 season. They are both contagious but we don't shut down the entire economy or wear masks to fight them.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku)

PS If as Gracie said, the death rate for covid positive over 65 people was actually 80%, I'd invest in a Bio Level 4 containment suit and wear it every time I left the house.

Were you elected purveyor of all wisdom, sir? We all are trying to communicate ideas, not win the Nobel Prize. I am a retired nursery school teacher.

[Dgizzi]

Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)
Yes so true! If masks really work give them to prisoners.

[GoodLife]

Were you elected purveyor of all wisdom, sir? We all are trying to communicate ideas, not win the Nobel Prize. I am a retired nursery school teacher.

No, I'm just someone who knows the death rate for seniors over 65 who get covid 19 is not 80%, but in fact is listed at 1.3% at the CDC.

We don't want to scare people with false statistics do we?

[Boomer]

There is a glaring irony in this mask mess.

How many people who would like to go out and spend some money will not do so because they do not want to encounter anti-maskers who can cause them risk.

Anti-maskers hurt brick and mortar businesses while Amazon makes more money than ever. How’s that for irony.

By the way, Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic.


GoodLife,

Oh my, here I am, behaving in an excruciatingly tacky manner by quoting myself. How unseemly of me. But my curiosity is getting the better of me so I just have to ask you a question — or two — or three.

Please read my post above and then explain to me, in your own words, how anti-maskers are not guilty of trampling the economy even deeper into the hole.

I just heard a report on “Marketplace Money” that talked about the velocity of money. I was not familiar with the term. Now, I am.

The velocity of money has sloooooowed waaaaaaay down, of course. Anti-maskers might try thinking a little further. Like I said above, people who want to go out and spend are intimidated by the anti-maskers who have allowed themselves to be goaded into ridiculous, divisive behavior. (That intimidation factor is usually subtle, but can be shockingly overt and even violent.)

You seem to delight in bashing those who think masks might help — you know — the ones who seem to care about others, in addition to their own health. And I guess it’s a given that you ain’t agonna wear no mask. BUT could you please explain how anti-maskers are good for the economy — in your own words? No links. No graphs. No charts.

Boomer

[ColdNoMore]

GoodLife,

Oh my, here I am, behaving in an excruciatingly tacky manner by quoting myself. How unseemly of me. But my curiosity is getting the better of me so I just have to ask you a question — or two — or three.

Please read my post above and then explain to me, in your own words, how anti-maskers are not guilty of trampling the economy even deeper into the hole.

I just heard a report on “Marketplace Money” that talked about the velocity of money. I was not familiar with the term. Now, I am.

The velocity of money has sloooooowed waaaaaaay down, of course. Anti-maskers might try thinking a little further. Like I said above, people who want to go out and spend are intimidated by the anti-maskers who have allowed themselves to be goaded into ridiculous, divisive behavior. (That intimidation factor is usually subtle, but can be shockingly overt and even violent.)

You seem to delight in bashing those who think masks might help — you know — the ones who seem to care about others, in addition to their own health. And I guess it’s a given that you ain’t agonna wear no mask. BUT could you please explain how anti-maskers are good for the economy — in your own words? No links. No graphs. No charts.

Boomer

Recognizing that it's not really about anything other than perceived appearances and a need for machismo, driven by insecurity, I'm still...

:popcorn:

[Hopeful2]

I truly can not understand the selfish, inconsiderate behavior of many adults during this unprecedented health crisis.

Those who don't like wearing a mask are not going to like a ventilator much either.

[GoodLife]

GoodLife,

Oh my, here I am, behaving in an excruciatingly tacky manner by quoting myself. How unseemly of me. But my curiosity is getting the better of me so I just have to ask you a question — or two — or three.

Please read my post above and then explain to me, in your own words, how anti-maskers are not guilty of trampling the economy even deeper into the hole.

I just heard a report on “Marketplace Money” that talked about the velocity of money. I was not familiar with the term. Now, I am.

The velocity of money has sloooooowed waaaaaaay down, of course. Anti-maskers might try thinking a little further. Like I said above, people who want to go out and spend are intimidated by the anti-maskers who have allowed themselves to be goaded into ridiculous, divisive behavior. (That intimidation factor is usually subtle, but can be shockingly overt and even violent.)

You seem to delight in bashing those who think masks might help — you know — the ones who seem to care about others, in addition to their own health. And I guess it’s a given that you ain’t agonna wear no mask. BUT could you please explain how anti-maskers are good for the economy — in your own words? No links. No graphs. No charts.

Boomer

LOL A long time ago I posted a thread titled "We've been had" in which I stated that Fauci and others lied to us when they said we don't need masks, they don't work, you aren't trained to fit them properly. I also posted a graph showing that countries who promoted use of masks by all were doing better in terms of covid 19 case numbers. That was the period in this pandemic where masks wearing by the public would have done something in terms of mitigation with cases going up every day.

That thread was deleted, probably because who knows who complained to the moderators for some reason. :1rotfl:

I've commented in various threads that if I were to go into a supermarket or other building with people in it, I would wear a mask. But since only N95 masks offer true protection, and I don't have any, I don't enter buildings other than my own home and haven't for over 2 months. So I am not intimidating any maskers anywhere and am spending money by buying online and supporting the economy like a true American! My money has great velocity! I spend the same per month as I always have, except for gas and travel.

So I was promoting use of masks before it became fashionable, but I got deleted. :MOJE_whot:

The whole mask frenzy is amusing. There has not been a new case in Sumter County for four days. I'd post a link to prove it but I'm agonna grant your request not to. :icon_wink:

[ColdNoMore]

I truly can not understand the selfish, inconsiderate behavior of many adults during this unprecedented health crisis.

Those who don't like wearing a mask are not going to like a ventilator much either.

That's easily solvable.

If they refused to wear masks, honor their preference...and just don't intubate them. :shrug:

[GoodLife]

That's easily solvable.

If they refused to wear masks, honor their preference...and just don't intubate them. :shrug:

Since 80% of people with covid 19 die after being intubated, it's not a big threat.

[Bay Kid]

The king of Va. has declared everyone will wear a mask.

[graciegirl]

LOL A long time ago I posted a thread titled "We've been had" in which I stated that Fauci and others lied to us when they said we don't need masks, they don't work, you aren't trained to fit them properly. I also posted a graph showing that countries who promoted use of masks by all were doing better in terms of covid 19 case numbers. That was the period in this pandemic where masks wearing by the public would have done something in terms of mitigation with cases going up every day.

That thread was deleted, probably because who knows who complained to the moderators for some reason. :1rotfl:

I've commented in various threads that if I were to go into a supermarket or other building with people in it, I would wear a mask. But since only N95 masks offer true protection, and I don't have any, I don't enter buildings other than my own home and haven't for over 2 months. So I am not intimidating any maskers anywhere and am spending money by buying online and supporting the economy like a true American! My money has great velocity! I spend the same per month as I always have, except for gas and travel.

So I was promoting use of masks before it became fashionable, but I got deleted. :MOJE_whot:

The whole mask frenzy is amusing. There has not been a new case in Sumter County for four days. I'd post a link to prove it but I'm agonna grant your request not to. :icon_wink:

I am a retired nursery school teacher...…….and YOU ARE??? Were you or are you involved in a medical career? You are an intelligent man and have given us a lot of good information, but sometimes you seem to want to best people. Being first and being smartest doesn't help any of us. All our talk will not change the minds of those who think the whole thing is overblown and foolishness. Those people seriously believe that this is just like the seasonal flu that has killed people yearly. There are many who think that this is an engineered event from another country meant to retaliate against the U.S. There are some who feel that no matter what chances we take, we must restart the economy. There are those who are a bit scared themselves and taunt others calling them paranoid...which means I think having an unbased fear of catching this disease. No one has come out and said in my presence that it mostly is killing old people who are about to die anyhow but I have a strong suspicion that those words have been spoken among some groups. I haven't ever known people to act so negatively. I am saddened and angered by a lot of what I read. We olders are so fortunate that we can stay where we are and be alright. Many of us are just waiting to see how this all plays out.

[Lindsyburnsy]

When 100,000 people die within 3 months and continues to rise, you may try to do something easy to help yourself stay healthy by putting on a mask. Why is this so difficult?

[coffeebean]

I totally agree and I have to bite my tongue when I’m in a store and someone stops to chastise the person not wearing a mask........get over your fears people!!!!

Have you not read the previous posts in this thread? Have you not been listening to the experts from the Coronavirus task force? People are not wearing masks because they are fearful of catching the virus and are trying to protect themselves. Home made masks provide very little protection for the wearer of the mask. People wear masks because they are protecting others, including you. Wearing a mask will help to prevent the spread of this virus. If we don't do our part, this virus will not go away until there is a proven vaccine.

[coffeebean]

No, it's totally incorrect. Fauci and the CDC knew the virus was spreading human to human in China through people coughing sneezing droplets of virus before it even got here. They first learned about asymptomatic spreaders after anaylizing the cases on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February and found that 17% of the positives experienced no symptoms. Fauci was still saying masks not necessary in late March on 60 minutes.

This is the reason why I am so disappointed in our government and the experts. If only they were honest with the American people early on (February) and encouraged the use of masks to prevent the spread of this virus, many lives could have been spared. This virus would be a non issue at this point if we had all come together and mitigated it. Their decision to deceive Americans so we would not purchase masks needed for the front line workers was very wrong, IMHO.

When the CDC and our experts finally informed us all that masks were recommended to prevent the spread of the virus what did Americans do? Americans began making home made masks and posted videos on YouTube on how to make home made masks. It became a war effort of sorts with this invisible enemy. I felt like Americans embodied Rosy the Rivetor from WWII. We went to task and are still going strong for the "war effort" against this virus.

I've posted this video before in other threads but just in case you haven't seen it, this demonstrates how masks block droplets. Those droplets are what carries the virus into the air when an asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic person breathes, speaks, sings, coughs or sneezes.

How a mask blocks droplets - YouTube (https://youtu.be/F0RcH9DfuyE)

[coffeebean]

There is a glaring irony in this mask mess.

How many people who would like to go out and spend some money will not do so because they do not want to encounter anti-maskers who can cause them risk.

Anti-maskers hurt brick and mortar businesses while Amazon makes more money than ever. How’s that for irony.

By the way, Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic.

I didn't know that. In fact, I just Googled if there are asymptomatic carriers of seasonal flu. I'm shocked at what I found out.......50% of influenza infections are asymptomatic. So.........maybe I really have had the flu in my lifetime and all this time I thought I never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I didn't know that. In fact, I just Googled if there are asymptomatic carriers of seasonal flu. I'm shocked at what I found out.......50% of influenza infections are asymptomatic. So.........maybe I really have had the flu in my lifetime and all this time I thought I never had the flu. Never had a flu shot either.

There's a mixup in terminology. If someone "has the flu" they are infected, and sick. If someone is an asymptomatic carrier, they aren't sick. They are literally a carrier, nothing more or less. They carry the virus in their persons, and spread it to whoever/whatever their facial orifice moisture lands on when they sneeze cough clear their throat blow their nose cry talk.

So if you've never been sick with the flu - you've never had the flu. But you STILL might have been a carrier. It's not common though, for someone to be an asymptomatic carrier of the H1N1 influenza virus. Most people who are infected have at least some symptoms.

Coronavirus is a whole other animal. It's not an influenza virus - it's completely different.

The "common cold" is a coronavirus by the way.

[Boomer]

GoodLife,

Oh my, here I am, behaving in an excruciatingly tacky manner by quoting myself. How unseemly of me. But my curiosity is getting the better of me so I just have to ask you a question — or two — or three.

Please read my post above and then explain to me, in your own words, how anti-maskers are not guilty of trampling the economy even deeper into the hole.

I just heard a report on “Marketplace Money” that talked about the velocity of money. I was not familiar with the term. Now, I am.

The velocity of money has sloooooowed waaaaaaay down, of course. Anti-maskers might try thinking a little further. Like I said above, people who want to go out and spend are intimidated by the anti-maskers who have allowed themselves to be goaded into ridiculous, divisive behavior. (That intimidation factor is usually subtle, but can be shockingly overt and even violent.)

You seem to delight in bashing those who think masks might help — you know — the ones who seem to care about others, in addition to their own health. And I guess it’s a given that you ain’t agonna wear no mask. BUT could you please explain how anti-maskers are good for the economy — in your own words? No links. No graphs. No charts.

Boomer

O

LOL A long time ago I posted a thread titled "We've been had" in which I stated that Fauci and others lied to us when they said we don't need masks, they don't work, you aren't trained to fit them properly. I also posted a graph showing that countries who promoted use of masks by all were doing better in terms of covid 19 case numbers. That was the period in this pandemic where masks wearing by the public would have done something in terms of mitigation with cases going up every day.

That thread was deleted, probably because who knows who complained to the moderators for some reason. :1rotfl:

I've commented in various threads that if I were to go into a supermarket or other building with people in it, I would wear a mask. But since only N95 masks offer true protection, and I don't have any, I don't enter buildings other than my own home and haven't for over 2 months. So I am not intimidating any maskers anywhere and am spending money by buying online and supporting the economy like a true American! My money has great velocity! I spend the same per month as I always have, except for gas and travel.

So I was promoting use of masks before it became fashionable, but I got deleted. :MOJE_whot:

The whole mask frenzy is amusing. There has not been a new case in Sumter County for four days. I'd post a link to prove it but I'm agonna grant your request not to. :icon_wink:



Well, GL, I gotta give you points for responding in your own words. No links. No graphs. No charts.

But (sigh) you did not actually answer my question which asked if you could explain away the obvious irony that the derisive, divisive behavior of anti-maskers is harmful to the bricks and mortar economy.

Although you did not address my question, your post spoke volumes. Turns out, you said you are in your own home where you have been for two months, and spending money online.

I was surprised by that and found it really interesting. (We are being very careful, too, like so many of us boomers — and beyond — ensconced in our gilded cages. We would really like to get out, but, for now, it does not feel like it’s time. I am a gardener and have been picking things up curbside. I really want to go into my favorite greenhouses but do not want to be near those who think this is all some kind of over reaction or hoax.)

Anyway, what I do not understand is why you post so many things bashing Dr. Fauci and others who are doing their best to help protect us from an invisible enemy.

Such posts validate the anti-maskers, even though you say you are not out among ‘em — another glaring irony. Is it simply that old routine of “holding someone’s coat while they go fight”? Whatever it is, it seems incongruous, now that you have said you are staying home.

To say that you find the the whole mask frenzy to be “amusing,” is a statement that I do not find to be at all amusing.

Our country has less than 5% of the world’s population but 30% of cases worldwide and over 28% of deaths. Is that “amusing” too?

Pinching and mincing those ugly stats to play some kind of bizarre blame game accomplishes nothing other than further division — and calculated diversion. Those are some big percentages and the room for error that can be found does not provide real comfort.

We are in big trouble as a nation. The virus is an invisible enemy. Good and brilliant people are working hard to rescue us. We can do only the best we can as individuals to try to mitigate the spread.

As enemies go though, we cannot forget what Pogo said.

[ColdNoMore]

O
Well, GL, I gotta give you points for responding in your own words. No links. No graphs. No charts.

But (sigh) you did not actually answer my question which asked if you could explain away the obvious irony that the derisive, divisive behavior of anti-maskers is harmful to the bricks and mortar economy.

Although you did not address my question, your post spoke volumes. Turns out, you said you are in your own home where you have been for two months, and spending money online.

I was surprised by that and found it really interesting. (We are being very careful, too, like so many of us boomers — and beyond — ensconced in our gilded cages. We would really like to get out, but, for now, it does not feel like it’s time. I am a gardener and have been picking things up curbside. I really want to go into my favorite greenhouses but do not want to be near those who think this is all some kind of over reaction or hoax.)

Anyway, what I do not understand is why you post so many things bashing Dr. Fauci and others who are doing their best to help protect us from an invisible enemy.

Such posts validate the anti-maskers, even though you say you are not out among ‘em — another glaring irony. Is it simply that old routine of “holding someone’s coat while they go fight”? Whatever it is, it seems incongruous, now that you have said you are staying home.

To say that you find the the whole mask frenzy to be “amusing,” is a statement that I do not find to be at all amusing.

Our country has less than 5% of the world’s population but 30% of cases worldwide and over 28% of deaths. Is that “amusing” too?

Pinching and mincing those ugly stats to play some kind of bizarre blame game accomplishes nothing other than further division — and calculated diversion. Those are some big percentages and the room for error that can be found does not provide real comfort.

We are in big trouble as a nation. The virus is an invisible enemy. Good and brilliant people are working hard to rescue us. We can do only the best we can as individuals to try to mitigate the spread.

As enemies go though, we cannot forget what Pogo said.

That's it...in a nutshell. :ohdear:

[MorTech]

Obviously a mask will do no good...it can only do more harm.

How much coronavirus is needed to infect everyone on Earth? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QpKJHyTtNc)

[graciegirl]

Trust Index: Here’s why Florida, medical examiners are reporting different number of COVID-19 deaths (https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/26/trust-index-heres-why-florida-medical-examiners-are-reporting-different-number-of-covid-19-deaths/)

I can't find where the statistics are posted for Sumter County that shows the latest death.
Can some one tell me?

[GoodLife]

Boomer

But (sigh) you did not actually answer my question which asked if you could explain away the obvious irony that the derisive, divisive behavior of anti-maskers is harmful to the bricks and mortar economy

First of all, the whole premise of your original questions to me assumed I was an anti masker, which I explained in my reply was ridiculous since I posted long ago that we were being lied to about masks, a post that was complained about and deleted. I don't think you will find posts by me bashing those who choose to wear masks when they go to the supermarket etc. Since I know only an N95 mask can actually protect me, and they are hard to get (most online ones are counterfeit), I just order curbside pickup. Brick and Mortar stores love online customers, because the sales are more profitable.

Although you did not address my question, your post spoke volumes. Turns out, you said you are in your own home where you have been for two months, and spending money online.

I did answer it, told you I was first to post on this forum that the "no masks" policy first put out by Fauci and CDC was a lie, that public use of them by some countries seemed to be slowing the pandemic, a post that got deleted, probably by some anti maskers who are now ardently shaming those who do not use them. Talk about an irony that speaks volumes LOL. Since I know that only an N95 mask can really protect me, I chose wisely to order online, including from many "Brick and Mortar" stores. Is this "speaking volumes" to you yet?

I'm not cowering at home in the closet either, I am playing golf again daily, go for swims, walks, bike rides...all activities I can do safely without a mask.

Anyway, what I do not understand is why you post so many things bashing Dr. Fauci and others who are doing their best to help protect us from an invisible enemy.

Such posts validate the anti-maskers, even though you say you are not out among ‘em — another glaring irony. Is it simply that old routine of “holding someone’s coat while they go fight”? Whatever it is, it seems incongruous, now that you have said you are staying home.

I don't bash Fauci for just his flip flop on masks. He has been catastrophically wrong many times. Threat is miniscule to lock down the whole country. Travel bans don't work to it was the right decision. Pandemics are never spread by the asymptomatic to asymptomatic are at least 35% of cases and they are spreaders. It's very dangerous to lift the lockdowns now to extended lockdowns could be catastrophic to country. Second wave is inevitable to not inevitable. If this guy was treating me for a disease and flip flopped this many times he would get fired, I don't care how nice a guy he is.

I'm not holding someone's coat while they go fight. If someone wants to wear a homemade cloth mask at Publix to show they care its fine with me. Knowing the science, I chose to order online and avoid indoor spaces mask or not. I am pretty sure my money goes into the same till so it's ridiculous to assume I am hurting brick and mortar or completely online outlets in any way.

To say that you find the the whole mask frenzy to be “amusing,” is a statement that I do not find to be at all amusing.

It's amusing because of the gigantic 180 degree flip flop that medical authorities, the public, and posters on this forum have committed. The science on viral respiratory infections and how they spread has been known for ages. They spread through aerosols, cough/sneeze droplets, and contaminated surfaces. Please don't try to say Fauci and others don't know this, or didn't know it before their flip flop.

Pinching and mincing those ugly stats to play some kind of bizarre blame game accomplishes nothing other than further division — and calculated diversion.

I can assure you that any stats I present are not ugly and what the heck does "pinching and mincing" have to do with mathematics? Any numbers I give you are the best I can find or calculate. If you don't like the conclusions I draw you are welcome to do your own research.

PS If anybody deserves 5 stars for exemplary behavior in this pandemic it's me. I haven't stepped foot in a building other than my own home for over two months, haven't been closer than 20 feet to another human being, and mask or no mask, my chances of asymptomatically infecting anyone else are as close to zero as you can get.

[GoodLife]

Trust Index: Here’s why Florida, medical examiners are reporting different number of COVID-19 deaths (https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/05/26/trust-index-heres-why-florida-medical-examiners-are-reporting-different-number-of-covid-19-deaths/)

I can't find where the statistics are posted for Sumter County that shows the latest death.
Can some one tell me?

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/county/county_reports_20200529.pdf

Scroll down to any county you want

[bfoglbird]

If a naked man pees on your foot it will get wet. If the same man is wearing pants his pants get wets not your foot! Get it?

[600th Photo Sq]

I am a retired nursery school teacher...…….and YOU ARE??? Were you or are you involved in a medical career? You are an intelligent man and have given us a lot of good information, but sometimes you seem to want to best people. Being first and being smartest doesn't help any of us. All our talk will not change the minds of those who think the whole thing is overblown and foolishness. Those people seriously believe that this is just like the seasonal flu that has killed people yearly. There are many who think that this is an engineered event from another country meant to retaliate against the U.S. There are some who feel that no matter what chances we take, we must restart the economy. There are those who are a bit scared themselves and taunt others calling them paranoid...which means I think having an unbased fear of catching this disease. No one has come out and said in my presence that it mostly is killing old people who are about to die anyhow but I have a strong suspicion that those words have been spoken among some groups. I haven't ever known people to act so negatively. I am saddened and angered by a lot of what I read. We olders are so fortunate that we can stay where we are and be alright. Many of us are just waiting to see how this all plays out.

I completely agree with you. The unpublished side is the suffering that is going on with the children. The psychological impact on them for years to come.

Instead omg we must do this and that. It is Madness what is going on.

We have to stop this Political Madness and get back to the present we are Americans be brave.

C'mon stop the lockdown, be honest for a change, get on with the Election stop the BS.

We are smart enough to make up our own minds.

[Bucco]

I completely agree with you. The unpublished side is the suffering that is going on with the children. The psychological impact on them for years to come.

Instead omg we must do this and that. It is Madness what is going on.

We have to stop this Political Madness and get back to the present we are Americans be brave.

C'mon stop the lockdown, be honest for a change, get on with the Election stop the BS.

We are smart enough to make up our own minds.

Whoa...election, you say.

You skipped over getting the economy back in gear, July 4th, addressing a number of important issues (stimulus pkg, race problems, upcoming Supreme Court decisions, and so much more).

Guess no secret what is on your mind

Oh, and of course addressing getting everyone back to normal safely. But,that election is important...much more than getting the country in order.

[anothersteve]

Whoa...election, you say.

You skipped over getting the economy back in gear, July 4th, addressing a number of important issues (stimulus pkg, race problems, upcoming Supreme Court decisions, and so much more).

Guess no secret what is on your mind

Oh, and of course addressing getting everyone back to normal safely. But,that election is important...much more than getting the country in order.

You lost me at "race problems", you were doing good before and after though.

Steve

[PennBF]

Whoa on your views. Let's let the ones who believe the masks are not needed and encourage them to continue with this logic which goes against 99% of the experts. After all the more that get the virus the more who's blood we can use to fight getting the terrible illness! Once they get it, it is too late to say they should have worn a mask! They are giving the mask wearers a gift and we are fighting their gift. Best advise is to stop fighting and trying to convince them to wear a mask and go back to sleep. :MOJE_whot:

[Boomer]

Boomer

But (sigh) you did not actually answer my question which asked if you could explain away the obvious irony that the derisive, divisive behavior of anti-maskers is harmful to the bricks and mortar economy

First of all, the whole premise of your original questions to me assumed I was an anti masker, which I explained in my reply was ridiculous since I posted long ago that we were being lied to about masks, a post that was complained about and deleted. I don't think you will find posts by me bashing those who choose to wear masks when they go to the supermarket etc. Since I know only an N95 mask can actually protect me, and they are hard to get (most online ones are counterfeit), I just order curbside pickup. Brick and Mortar stores love online customers, because the sales are more profitable.

Although you did not address my question, your post spoke volumes. Turns out, you said you are in your own home where you have been for two months, and spending money online.

I did answer it, told you I was first to post on this forum that the "no masks" policy first put out by Fauci and CDC was a lie, that public use of them by some countries seemed to be slowing the pandemic, a post that got deleted, probably by some anti maskers who are now ardently shaming those who do not use them. Talk about an irony that speaks volumes LOL. Since I know that only an N95 mask can really protect me, I chose wisely to order online, including from many "Brick and Mortar" stores. Is this "speaking volumes" to you yet?

I'm not cowering at home in the closet either, I am playing golf again daily, go for swims, walks, bike rides...all activities I can do safely without a mask.

Anyway, what I do not understand is why you post so many things bashing Dr. Fauci and others who are doing their best to help protect us from an invisible enemy.

Such posts validate the anti-maskers, even though you say you are not out among ‘em — another glaring irony. Is it simply that old routine of “holding someone’s coat while they go fight”? Whatever it is, it seems incongruous, now that you have said you are staying home.

I don't bash Fauci for just his flip flop on masks. He has been catastrophically wrong many times. Threat is miniscule to lock down the whole country. Travel bans don't work to it was the right decision. Pandemics are never spread by the asymptomatic to asymptomatic are at least 35% of cases and they are spreaders. It's very dangerous to lift the lockdowns now to extended lockdowns could be catastrophic to country. Second wave is inevitable to not inevitable. If this guy was treating me for a disease and flip flopped this many times he would get fired, I don't care how nice a guy he is.

I'm not holding someone's coat while they go fight. If someone wants to wear a homemade cloth mask at Publix to show they care its fine with me. Knowing the science, I chose to order online and avoid indoor spaces mask or not. I am pretty sure my money goes into the same till so it's ridiculous to assume I am hurting brick and mortar or completely online outlets in any way.

To say that you find the the whole mask frenzy to be “amusing,” is a statement that I do not find to be at all amusing.

It's amusing because of the gigantic 180 degree flip flop that medical authorities, the public, and posters on this forum have committed. The science on viral respiratory infections and how they spread has been known for ages. They spread through aerosols, cough/sneeze droplets, and contaminated surfaces. Please don't try to say Fauci and others don't know this, or didn't know it before their flip flop.

Pinching and mincing those ugly stats to play some kind of bizarre blame game accomplishes nothing other than further division — and calculated diversion.

I can assure you that any stats I present are not ugly and what the heck does "pinching and mincing" have to do with mathematics? Any numbers I give you are the best I can find or calculate. If you don't like the conclusions I draw you are welcome to do your own research.

PS If anybody deserves 5 stars for exemplary behavior in this pandemic it's me. I haven't stepped foot in a building other than my own home for over two months, haven't been closer than 20 feet to another human being, and mask or no mask, my chances of asymptomatically infecting anyone else are as close to zero as you can get.


Just a couple of things back atcha this morning, GL, and then I am going outside to tend my flowers.

First of all, about those numbers — why did you ignore my numbers?

To review: The United States has less than 5% of the world’s population, but 30% of the world’s cases, and over 28% of the world’s deaths. That’s the big picture and it is shameful and ugly and should never be like that. Are those percentages also “amusing” to you.

You said your pandemic behavior has been exemplary because you have not been closer than 20 feet to anybody for the past two months and you want 5 stars for that because you cannot infect anybody.

Well, about those stars — I can award you all 5 stars for self-preservation as you are definitely watching out for yourself — yourself.

But what I just don’t get is that even though you are being extra careful by taking precautions to protect your own health, you continue to post things that encourage others not to do so. In fact, many of your posts seem to be intended to add wind to the sails of those who are out there flaunting simple safety precautions.

Why don’t you preach what you practice?

Boomer

PS: Oh well, I think we are simply different personality types. The only thing we probably have in common is that we like to argue — once in a while, anyway.

Now, I really am going outside to take care of my flowers. I will be listening to NPR while I do that. Then later I might curl up with my latest issue of Atlantic — that’s the one with the cover story about conspiracy theories. Hey, maybe you would like to read that, too, and we can “discuss” it sometime.

[ColdNoMore]

Just a couple of things back atcha this morning, GL, and then I am going outside to tend my flowers.

First of all, about those numbers — why did you ignore my numbers?

To review: The United States has less than 5% of the world’s population, but 30% of the world’s cases, and over 28% of the world’s deaths. That’s the big picture and it is shameful and ugly and should never be like that. Are those percentages also “amusing” to you.

You said your pandemic behavior has been exemplary because you have not been closer than 20 feet to anybody for the past two months and you want 5 stars for that because you cannot infect anybody.

Well, about those stars — I can award you all 5 stars for self-preservation as you are definitely watching out for yourself — yourself.

But what I just don’t get is that even though you are being extra careful by taking precautions to protect your own health, you continue to post things that encourage others not to do so. In fact, many of your posts seem to be intended to add wind to the sails of those who are out there flaunting simple safety precautions.

Why don’t you preach what you practice?

Boomer

PS: Oh well, I think we are simply different personality types. The only thing we probably have in common is that we like to argue — once in a while, anyway.

Now, I really am going outside to take care of my flowers. I will be listening to NPR while I do that. Then later I might curl up with my latest issue of Atlantic — that’s the one with the cover story about conspiracy theories. Hey, maybe you would like to read that, too, and we can “discuss” it sometime.

Oh Snap! :boom:

[GoodLife]

Just a couple of things back atcha this morning, GL, and then I am going outside to tend my flowers.

First of all, about those numbers — why did you ignore my numbers?

To review: The United States has less than 5% of the world’s population, but 30% of the world’s cases, and over 28% of the world’s deaths. That’s the big picture and it is shameful and ugly and should never be like that. Are those percentages also “amusing” to you.

You said your pandemic behavior has been exemplary because you have not been closer than 20 feet to anybody for the past two months and you want 5 stars for that because you cannot infect anybody.

Well, about those stars — I can award you all 5 stars for self-preservation as you are definitely watching out for yourself — yourself.

But what I just don’t get is that even though you are being extra careful by taking precautions to protect your own health, you continue to post things that encourage others not to do so. In fact, many of your posts seem to be intended to add wind to the sails of those who are out there flaunting simple safety precautions.

Why don’t you preach what you practice?

Boomer

PS: Oh well, I think we are simply different personality types. The only thing we probably have in common is that we like to argue — once in a while, anyway.

Now, I really am going outside to take care of my flowers. I will be listening to NPR while I do that. Then later I might curl up with my latest issue of Atlantic — that’s the one with the cover story about conspiracy theories. Hey, maybe you would like to read that, too, and we can “discuss” it sometime.

First, I commend you for being a gardener! My dad had a great tiered vegetable garden in his back yard. Every time I visited my mon would prepare an awesome salad made from freshly picked lettuces, herbs, and vegetables from that garden. He also had a fondness for tulips.

Now, I am not in any way amused by the fact that the USA was hit very hard by this virus, over 100k killed so far. My amusement re the mask frenzy is that I was the first to post a thread here warning people that Fauci and CDC were lying to us about masks, my thread got deleted, and the fact is that during the early stages of the pandemic is when they would have done the most good. Now I'm a mask basher endangering people? That's pretty funny.

2nd. I do practice what I preach. My exemplary 5 star behavior, staying outside of all buildings, staying 20 feet away from people, is designed not only to protect myself from the virus but also all others in case I was an asymptomatic carrier. The people that have insisted on going to supermarkets, even if they wear a cloth mask, are engaging in more risky behavior than I am. Those people can still catch the disease, and they can still spread it. I have also posted threads warning people that coughs, sneezes, even talking by infected individuals can spread virus clouds much further than 6 feet and hang in the air for hours.

I see a lot of misinformation posted here about how covid 19 spreads and what different masks will do to protect you. The most dangerous is aerosol spread, infected individuals eject these just by talking or by dry coughing, and these are the smallest particles, they can hang in the air for hours in enclosed spaces, and the only mask capable of stopping them is an N95 respirator mask. These particles go through surgical and cloth masks like a chain link fence. Second most dangerous are sneeze droplets, these are larger and fall to the ground quicker, and cloth/surgical masks can stop them with various degrees of success but not even close to 100%. They are better than nothing at all but they are not totally efficient in preventing one from getting infected, or preventing an infected individual from spreading the virus to others while wearing one. The third vector of transmission, contaminated surfaces, is thought to be less of a factor, but still something to be aware of.

So, when I looked at the science, my solution to protect myself, and others, was to stay out of buildings altogether and maintain at least 20 feet of distance outdoors.

Enjoy your garden, its a nice day, possible rain later.

[Boomer]

First, I commend you for being a gardener! My dad had a great tiered vegetable garden in his back yard. Every time I visited my mon would prepare an awesome salad made from freshly picked lettuces, herbs, and vegetables from that garden. He also had a fondness for tulips.

Now, I am not in any way amused by the fact that the USA was hit very hard by this virus, over 100k killed so far. My amusement re the mask frenzy is that I was the first to post a thread here warning people that Fauci and CDC were lying to us about masks, my thread got deleted, and the fact is that during the early stages of the pandemic is when they would have done the most good. Now I'm a mask basher endangering people? That's pretty funny.

2nd. I do practice what I preach. My exemplary 5 star behavior, staying outside of all buildings, staying 20 feet away from people, is designed not only to protect myself from the virus but also all others in case I was an asymptomatic carrier. The people that have insisted on going to supermarkets, even if they wear a cloth mask, are engaging in more risky behavior than I am. Those people can still catch the disease, and they can still spread it. I have also posted threads warning people that coughs, sneezes, even talking by infected individuals can spread virus clouds much further than 6 feet and hang in the air for hours.

I see a lot of misinformation posted here about how covid 19 spreads and what different masks will do to protect you. The most dangerous is aerosol spread, infected individuals eject these just by talking, and these are the smallest particles, they can hang in the air for hours in enclosed spaces, and the only mask capable of stopping them is an N95 respirator mask. These particles go through surgical and cloth masks like a chain link fence. Second most dangerous are sneeze droplets, these are larger and fall to the ground quicker, and cloth/surgical masks can stop them with various degrees of success but not even close to 100%. They are better than nothing at all but they are not totally efficient in preventing one from getting infected, or preventing an infected individual from spreading the virus to others while wearing one. The third vector of transmission, contaminated surfaces, is thought to be less of a factor, but still something to be aware of.

So, when I looked at the science, my solution to protect myself, and others, was to stay out of buildings altogether and maintain at least 20 feet of distance outdoors.

Enjoy your garden, its a nice day, possible rain later.


Thank you, GL. Ah, yes, tulips. Many years ago, I went tulip-crazy in response to a catalog from Breck’s. Those pictures were glorious.

I blissfully spent a blue fortune, ordering bulbs that promised many colors — red, pink, yellow, purple, even chartreuse, and black, too. Some had ruffles.

I then spent a whole day, early that November, planting those things. I even buried them in chicken wire to keep underground and digging critters from getting them. Spring came. Gorgeous. My work had paid off — or so I thought.

Then one morning I looked out the kitchen window and there was Bambi, gobbling up tulips just like popcorn. I took a shot — with my camera — and I never planted tulips again, although I do love them.

Now, about our back-and-forth other stuff here: I hope I do not sound like I am going all English teacher on you, but I really must give that old advice I gave so many times — about how to answer essay questions. The advice I gave was to first read the question carefully.

I am giving this advice because what I asked you in my earlier post was, “Why don’t you preach what you practice?” I had turned the phrase around but you missed that wording.

But then, your answer actually turned out pretty much OK anyway. You explained your focus well, and it was good to be reading your own thoughts instead of having to go around link after link. When you used your own words, you clarified things.

Now, before I get any bad press about how an English teacher sure can bastardize the hellouta punctuation and be so free with sentence fragments and start sentences with ‘and’ and be so much in love with dashes, etc., etc., I must say I know I do all those things. I let voice and tone beat stickler.

Well, now that I have cleared up all that, I would like to move forward with what I said earlier about the cover stories from June’s Atlantic.

I know I probably sound like I am assigning homework, but I am not trying to be a smartazz when I say I think you might find some of the articles interesting, thought-provoking, especially the one titled, “How QAnon is Warping Reality and Discrediting Science.” There are others, too, “How Can We Recover From This?” and “The Way Plagues Leave Societies Altered Forever.”

Reading articles in Atlantic magazine can take up an entire afternoon sometimes but that gives the brain a little workout by invoking critical thinking skills instead of letting the highly paid mouths on the various “news” channels tell us what to think. I really do hope you will at least peruse the June issue, in addition to your other research.

Sincerely,
Mrs. Boomer, Rm. 101

[ffresh]

Amazing, you would never believe common sense would become a P statement,but somehow the masks have been made into that.

Don't forget the fact that "common" sense to one individual is often "non" sense to another :icon_wink:

Fred

[Bucco]

Thank you, GL. Ah, yes, tulips. Many years ago, I went tulip-crazy in response to a catalog from Breck’s. Those pictures were glorious.

I blissfully spent a blue fortune, ordering bulbs that promised many colors — red, pink, yellow, purple, even chartreuse, and black, too. Some had ruffles.

I then spent a whole day, early that November, planting those things. I even buried them in chicken wire to keep underground and digging critters from getting them. Spring came. Gorgeous. My work had paid off — or so I thought.

Then one morning I looked out the kitchen window and there was Bambi, gobbling up tulips just like popcorn. I took a shot — with my camera — and I never planted tulips again, although I do love them.

Now, about our back-and-forth other stuff here: I hope I do not sound like I am going all English teacher on you, but I really must give that old advice I gave so many times — about how to answer essay questions. The advice I gave was to first read the question carefully.

I am giving this advice because what I asked you in my earlier post was, “Why don’t you preach what you practice?” I had turned the phrase around but you missed that wording.

But then, your answer actually turned out pretty much OK anyway. You explained your focus well, and it was good to be reading your own thoughts instead of having to go around link after link. When you used your own words, you clarified things.

Now, before I get any bad press about how an English teacher sure can bastardize the hellouta punctuation and be so free with sentence fragments and start sentences with ‘and’ and be so much in love with dashes, etc., etc., I must say I know I do all that. I let voice and tone beat stickler.

Well, now that I have cleared up all that, I would like to move forward with what I said earlier about the cover stories from June’s Atlantic.

I know I probably sound like I am assigning homework, but I am not trying to be a smartazz when I say I think you might find some of the articles interesting, thought-provoking, especially the one titled, “How QAnon is Warping Reality and Discrediting Science.” There are others, too, “How Can We Recover From This?” and “The Way Plagues Leave Societies Altered Forever.”

Reading articles in Atlantic magazine can take up an entire afternoon sometimes but that gives the brain a little workout by invoking critical thinking skills instead of letting the highly paid mouths on the various “news” channels tell us what to think. I really do hope you will at least peruse the June issue, in addition to your other research.

Sincerely,
Mrs. Boomer, Rm. 101

Your mention of the articles you have read got my attention. I hope you don't mind me interjecting because I feel strongly that we are in the grips of multiple conspiracies, and have rapidly descended into third world status (culturally and morally).

I am very suspicious of those who always mention "conspiracies" but having done much research, I feel very strongly that the conspiracies we face are veiled in a place from which those engaged are always accusing others.

Not allowed to talk much on here, but I subscribed to twitter for one reason...to stay in touch with what is being "preached" and it is scary as heck. Scary, because it is not accidental,but fulfillment of goals set a number of years back to disassociate our country from the world among others.

Sounds nuts, but I am just scared.

Sorry agan

[Bucco]

Don't forget the fact that "common" sense to one individual is often "non" sense to another :icon_wink:

Fred

Absolutely agree with you. While we obviously disagree on the mask issue, to ME it is common sense to protect me and mine from an "enemy" that I, nor experts do not understand. Bravado offers no help in this battle.

Agan, my agony is that this is now in the P arena, and that is puzzling to me

[billethkid]

Absolutely agree with you. While we obviously disagree on the mask issue, to ME it is common sense to protect me and mine from an "enemy" that I, nor experts do not understand. Bravado offers no help in this battle.

Agan, my agony is that this is now in the P arena, and that is puzzling to me

None!!

[twoplanekid]

Interesting read and thoughts on the spread of the virus -> Coronavirus hopes and fears center on 'immunity' (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-coronavirus-centre-immunity.html)

[CFrance]

Thank you, GL. Ah, yes, tulips. Many years ago, I went tulip-crazy in response to a catalog from Breck’s. Those pictures were glorious.

I blissfully spent a blue fortune, ordering bulbs that promised many colors — red, pink, yellow, purple, even chartreuse, and black, too. Some had ruffles.

I then spent a whole day, early that November, planting those things. I even buried them in chicken wire to keep underground and digging critters from getting them. Spring came. Gorgeous. My work had paid off — or so I thought.

Then one morning I looked out the kitchen window and there was Bambi, gobbling up tulips just like popcorn. I took a shot — with my camera — and I never planted tulips again, although I do love them.

Now, about our back-and-forth other stuff here: I hope I do not sound like I am going all English teacher on you, but I really must give that old advice I gave so many times — about how to answer essay questions. The advice I gave was to first read the question carefully.

I am giving this advice because what I asked you in my earlier post was, “Why don’t you preach what you practice?” I had turned the phrase around but you missed that wording.

But then, your answer actually turned out pretty much OK anyway. You explained your focus well, and it was good to be reading your own thoughts instead of having to go around link after link. When you used your own words, you clarified things.

Now, before I get any bad press about how an English teacher sure can bastardize the hellouta punctuation and be so free with sentence fragments and start sentences with ‘and’ and be so much in love with dashes, etc., etc., I must say I know I do all those things. I let voice and tone beat stickler.

Well, now that I have cleared up all that, I would like to move forward with what I said earlier about the cover stories from June’s Atlantic.

I know I probably sound like I am assigning homework, but I am not trying to be a smartazz when I say I think you might find some of the articles interesting, thought-provoking, especially the one titled, “How QAnon is Warping Reality and Discrediting Science.” There are others, too, “How Can We Recover From This?” and “The Way Plagues Leave Societies Altered Forever.”

Reading articles in Atlantic magazine can take up an entire afternoon sometimes but that gives the brain a little workout by invoking critical thinking skills instead of letting the highly paid mouths on the various “news” channels tell us what to think. I really do hope you will at least peruse the June issue, in addition to your other research.

Sincerely,
Mrs. Boomer, Rm. 101


Hmm. Maybe you'll find Little Fires Everywhere understimulating...

[Boomer]

Hmm. Maybe you'll find Little Fires Everywhere understimulating...

Nope. I wanna take your advice on that book, and I think it’s agonna work out fine. I bet I will get into it. Might listen to it on Audible though because then I can multitask. (Ha! Who am I kidding. Like I ever multitask.)

[Pat Reilly]

I like when you wrote Out of respect of others..so important to be caring about others. Thank you and I will wear my mask also.