Pathetic busy bodies!

[Leadbone1]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!

[Topspinmo]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!


Don’t you know is there way or the highway around here.

[EdFNJ]

It's likely Gator's agreed to abide by whatever The Villages wants them to (per their contract signed to rent the prime real estate) just like we are stuck with abiding by our deed restrictions? Or maybe T.V. feels that might attract crowds similar to having music in the square. Or maybe another business narc'd them because they couldn't have music either ? Just a few possibilities/guesses.

[Stu from NYC]

People have reported on here that for several days people were on top of each other.with no social distancing at all

[retiredguy123]

Is it possible that they consider it a bar? The Governor's order does not allow bars to be open.

[Velvet]

From what I read before, people were too close to each other. It was that action that closed it down.

[Jayhawk]

Governor put in restrictions. Probably that didn't fit the guidelines.

[Leadbone1]

People have reported on here that for several days people were on top of each other.with no social distancing at all

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

[Leadbone1]

Is it possible that they consider it a bar? The Governor's order does not allow bars to be open.

No, if it’s a combination restaurant and bar it is allowed to be open

[Leadbone1]

From what I read before, people were too close to each other. It was that action that closed it down.

It’s not closed down. There are still tables outside at least 6 feet apart serving dinner and drinks. It was only the music that was canceled because obviously some people that think it’s their job to mind other peoples business. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law.

[billethkid]

And with all the alleged people all over and on top of each other how many new cases in TV since?

[retiredguy123]

No, if it’s a combination restaurant and bar it is allowed to be open
I'm just curious. Are there any bars in The Villages that cannot be open?

[Marathon Man]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.

[coffeebean]

It’s not closed down. There are still tables outside at least 6 feet apart serving dinner and drinks. It was only the music that was canceled because obviously some people that think it’s their job to mind other peoples business. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law.

The recommendation for Americans to social distance is for everyone's safety. It's really not that difficult to do. Why do you feel the need to prefer people not be safe? That baffles me. Social distancing still allows people to have a good time so what is your reasoning to not follow recommendations?

[coffeebean]

I'm just curious. Are there any bars in The Villages that cannot be open?

I think all (really should never say all but in this instance it is a pretty safe bet to say it) establishments here in The Villages are restaurant/bars.

[DDVeteran]

We're all in this together!

[Tom53]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Yes, you are free to disregard the social distancing recommendation, but the commercial business's are allowed to stay open, PROVIDED the social distancing is being adhered to. Just like some beaches, it only takes a few to ruin it for all.

[JoMar]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Usually the adults are willing to follow recommendations when made by people smarter then they are. Kids on the other hand will do what they can to disregard what they are told and will make decisions about where they wanna be.....just visit Disney and watch the interplay between kids and parents. I think you are confused.

[CarolSells]

We're all in this together!

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

[retiredguy123]

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?
I think the great divide is facilitated by the fact that the people who are making the rules have no skin in the game. They are receiving full pay and benefits, while those who have to follow the rules are out of business and facing financial ruin.

[DDVeteran]

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

I'll be happy to die in my garage underneath my classic where the rest of the world isn't, "Together"

[graciegirl]

Many people have not been out to even SEE what is going on at the squares. I am sure they are not the ones complaining or reporting y'all.

Most polls show that almost 70% of all Americans are hesitant and reluctant to go out and be with other people because they do not feel safe.

I think people are realistically apprehensive. Most people here are in the highest risk age category. People can choose what they want to do. It worries me that there will be an escalation of the virus, and that my husband who is the one that goes out on errands and to buy groceries might somehow get exposed and get very sick or even die. The risk factor for an 80 year old if they catch Covid-19 is greater than one in ten of dying. I don't like those odds at all.

I have some little kids, old men and drunks who just love me. They would miss me if I died.

[davem4616]

this will all work itself out over time...but it is going to take time

so for now be safe

how lucky were you that you had the opportunity to move your chairs closer one evening and listen to the music
....be happy...this will change

[GoldenBoy]

One cannot social distance by ones self. Consequently, one is not allowed to make a decision not to social distance based on their percieved "adulthood". You don't get the right to determine to not social distance from other people. This is not a situation of personal rights. It is all about Social Responsibility.

[Joe C.]

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

[JoMar]

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

And as long as your percieved INDIVIDUAL rights don't infrInge on mine then I'm ok

[Marathon Man]

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

No. There is lots more to say. All rights have their limits.

[Leadbone1]

One cannot social distance by ones self. Consequently, one is not allowed to make a decision not to social distance based on their percieved "adulthood". You don't get the right to determine to not social distance from other people. This is not a situation of personal rights. It is all about Social Responsibility.

You have obviously drank the Kool-Aid. It’s always about individual rights. Social responsibility it’s just another way of saying government control. Get a clue!

[Leadbone1]

No. There is lots more to say. All rights have their limits.

According to who, you? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Constitution is not about limiting our rights, it’s about limiting what the government can do.

[Leadbone1]

And as long as your percieved INDIVIDUAL rights don't infrInge on mine then I'm ok

Ridiculous? Do you have the right to control what you do, not what other people do. That’s it!

[Leadbone1]

Usually the adults are willing to follow recommendations when made by people smarter then they are. Kids on the other hand will do what they can to disregard what they are told and will make decisions about where they wanna be.....just visit Disney and watch the interplay between kids and parents. I think you are confused.

People that are smarter? They have been wrong about every single thing they said. They have picked the winners and losers while they never missed a paycheck. Naïve much?

[shut the front door]

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

Well said. I hope to see you one day and buy you a drink! While the scamdemic victims are at home calling community watch reporting us for shaking hands!

[Leadbone1]

Yes, you are free to disregard the social distancing recommendation, but the commercial business's are allowed to stay open, PROVIDED the social distancing is being adhered to. Just like some beaches, it only takes a few to ruin it for all.

Oh yes the guilt angle. Those selfish people that just won’t fall into line. I was there. The tables were all at least 6 feet apart. And just to point out the utter stupidity of this social distancing thing. Why is it OK for three or four people to be sitting within a foot or two of each other at a table, but not OK if they’re sitting in chairs listening to music? This whole thing is pathetic and ridiculous.

[shut the front door]

Many people have not been out to even SEE what is going on at the squares. I am sure they are not the ones complaining or reporting y'all.

Most polls show that almost 70% of all Americans are hesitant and reluctant to go out and be with other people because they do not feel safe.

I think people are realistically apprehensive. Most people here are in the highest risk age category. People can choose what they want to do. It worries me that there will be an escalation of the virus, and that my husband who is the one that goes out on errands and to buy groceries might somehow get exposed and get very sick or even die. The risk factor for an 80 year old if they catch Covid-19 is greater than one in ten of dying. I don't like those odds at all.

I have some little kids, old men and drunks who just love me. They would miss me if I died.

Very wrong on that count. There are numerous people making calls to community watch every day who are sitting at home watching the web cams at all 3 squares. They call in to report people who aren't social distancing and when asked if they are there, they freely admit, "no, I'm watching it on the web cam!" Pathetic as they are, they are out there. And what they don't realize is that when they call community watch, their name AND location on a map pop up for everyone in the room to see.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Very wrong on that count. There are numerous people making calls to community watch every day who are sitting at home watching the web cams at all 3 squares. They call in to report people who aren't social distancing and when asked if they are there, they freely admit, "no, I'm watching it on the web cam!" Pathetic as they are, they are out there. And what they don't realize is that when they call community watch, their name AND location on a map pop up for everyone in the room to see.

Except this isn't happening every day, and this thread isn't about web cams at the Squares. It's about outdoor entertainment at Gator's. The web cam doesn't offer a view to Gator's, so it's not possible that anyone could have seen Gator's on the web cam and called in their complaint as a result.

Rather than come up with some insane contrived conspiracy, how about considering the obvious? Someone - or several someones - took issue with people being TOO close to each other and not honoring the social distancing or mask restrictions, and complained to someone about it, and as a result, Gator's discontinued public entertainment for the time being. Which was what they were supposed to be doing in the first place.

It was no secret that they were entertaining against the rules, I mean it's outside for anyone to see when they drive or walk past the place.

No one should be surprised that this happened. This is what happens when you can't play nicely. You get your toys taken away.

[joseppe]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

I get that, but don't sit next to me. Would you want to sit that close to someone who was infected with the virus? Maybe they'll start up separate sections at all establishments. The 'Don't Care If I get Infected' Section and the 'I'd Rather Be Safe' Section. Just like we used to have 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' sections.

[anothersteve]

I feel so dirty!......I shook a persons hand today!
Bless me Father for I have sinned....
Steve

[JoMar]

People that are smarter? They have been wrong about every single thing they said. They have picked the winners and losers while they never missed a paycheck. Naïve much?

Did you ever start a business from zero, in fact did you ever own or run a business?

[YouNeverKnow]

I get that, but don't sit next to me. Would you want to sit that close to someone who was infected with the virus? Maybe they'll start up separate sections at all establishments. The 'Don't Care If I get Infected' Section and the 'I'd Rather Be Safe' Section. Just like we used to have 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' sections.
The Covid and Non-Covid section.

[big guy]

I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.

[thomp679]

Oh yes the guilt angle. Those selfish people that just won’t fall into line. I was there. The tables were all at least 6 feet apart. And just to point out the utter stupidity of this social distancing thing. Why is it OK for three or four people to be sitting within a foot or two of each other at a table, but not OK if they’re sitting in chairs listening to music? This whole thing is pathetic and ridiculous.

If you are sitting in your own chairs, it seems you are mooching the free music while not buying anything at the restaurant. That in itself is an issue for another day.

BTW, your freedom stops when your reckless attitude spreads from one person that may be at Gator's to someone who wasn't there but encounters the virus from the location.

Yes, maybe nobody will get infected from the night in reference, but then again, maybe they will get infected. Its a bit sad to think that your angst for freedom to listen to music is the worst thing occuring to you while many others in this country are in worse shape.

[DDVeteran]

A child...

"I come home in the morning light
My mother says, "When you gonna live your life right?"
Oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
And girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun
The phone rings in the middle of the night
My father yells, "What you gonna do with your life?"
Oh daddy dear, you know you're still number one
But girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just want to have
That's all they really want
Some fun
When the working day is done
Oh girls, they wanna have fun
Oh girls just wanna have fun (girls, they wanna, wanna have fun, girls wanna have)"

[JimJohnson]

Ridiculous? Do you have the right to control what you do, not what other people do. That’s it!

Come sneeze in my face and you will get an example of my rights. :pray:

[Jewelz]

And with all the alleged people all over and on top of each other how many new cases in TV since?


EXACTLY!!!:coolsmiley:

[golfing eagles]

I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.

Apples and oranges, not a valid comparison.

Demographics. Population density. Climate. Travelers coming in from hot spots early on. All likely different. Just look at Miami-Dade vs. rural counties in Florida

[coalminer]

Theres no way that people who were drinking and dancing were following the social distancing guidelines. No way. Just because you say it dosent make it true.

[roscoguy]

According to who, you? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Constitution is not about limiting our rights, it’s about limiting what the government can do.

:rant-rave: Unfortunately for this rant, the Constitution isn't the only thing that comes into play in our daily lives. Society always has & likely always will set limits regarding what is or isn't tolerable - they are called laws.

You have obviously drank the Kool-Aid. It’s always about individual rights. Social responsibility it’s just another way of saying government control. Get a clue!

As others have said, your individual rights don't mean that you have complete freedom to interfere with mine. At least I'm pretty sure that's not in the Constitution...

[oneclickplus]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.

I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.

[Ray Greene]

The Governor is not the sharpest pencil in the box. Make your own decisions and live or die with them!

[spuds51]

EXACTLY!!!:coolsmiley:

Surely you know that there is an incubation period of this stuff. You don't come in contact with someone and get sick the next day.

The problem is and always has been that people are concerned not so much about the ones at the bar, but when they come in contact with them at a grocery store or post office, doctor's office, whatever. It's also a pretty safe bet that they will be the ones not wearing a mask too because it infringes on their rights to do what they want.

I haven't ventured out to any restaurants yet and don't plan on it but I could really care less what others do as long as I don't come in contact with you at a gas pump or store or something.

I personally would not report someone for reckless behavior, I would more than likely just shake my head and keep on driving.

[DecaturFargo]

Selfish person.

[Villagesgal]

The squares are all private property owned by the villages. That's why you can legally walk around with open alcohol. Since all the land in the squares is private property, the owners, can allow or not allow anything they like, so if they say no outside music, then no outside music. Simple as that.

[Agentjanhusak@gmail.com]

I am with you 100%

[MollyJo]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?
So if you contract Covid 19, where will you go when your lungs fill with puss & you can’t breathe? Will you expect others to take care of you, such as a hospital or will you be doing your own thing at your home? That’s what this quarantine thing is about. Why isn’t anyone squawking about opting to NOT carry auto insurance? I do believe that is a mandate...

[Ndomines]

I agree. It’s been so nice driving around as well. Cruising down 301 at 95 mph I found it quite liberating. Due for some me time I decided that as long as I was
Missing the oncoming traffic it was nobodies business and I am a better judge of what’s is or is not acceptable
Public safety guidelines.

[HimandMe]

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

And an agreed upon constitution - so there is order of an entire society - we share in a form of life. Your rights are not to impinge upon mine.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Part of a bigger plan to see how far they can push you before you would rebel......
:boom: :boom: :boom:

[Slapnut]

Some people let the media scare them and dictate what they should do. I'm not buying the scare tactics. I'm over this overblown flu that's got people cowering in a corner and scared to live like they want to

[brianherlihy]

just stay home and let me be

[Meboko]

According to who, you? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Constitution is not about limiting our rights, it’s about limiting what the government can do.

The Constitution defines the power of each Branch of Government to prevent one from becoming too powerful. The Founders had just fought a war to get away from a King and did not want another one.

[Jazzman]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.


Hopefully your message was meant to be sarcasm.

[Nell57]

They are probably the landlords.

[Eg_cruz]

Is it possible that they consider it a bar? The Governor's order does not allow bars to be open.
It’s not a bar TV don’t allow bars on their Property......must be a restaurant with a bar

[rrlavigne]

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

Really? Then why can't we legally decide to use recreational drugs if we want? Why can't we legally go to a prostitute? Those are just two examples of activities that effect nobody but ourselves, but society has decided we could be arrested and even jailed if we engage in them. Burns my butt when people talk about individual rights, our "liberty" or our "freedom" when they really mean you have the right to do what you want as long as you follow the rules that "I agree with." The fact is, if you have the virus you can spread it. It's NOT about your individual rights, it's about how you may impact others. I want to get out, socialize and have fun just like you, but until there's a cure or vaccine we need to do it responsibly. Is that too much to ask?

[Eg_cruz]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
My concern is for Gators employees not the customer that can’t follow simple rules. The customers lack of concern at the young folks trying to make a living and having to deal with customers not giving a crap about keeping them safe...has to be stressful to them. So if the so call Grown-ups would quit being so selfish and started following the rules we could keep employees safe and we could open up faster.

[karostay]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!

Sad part is it's the Give an inch take a mile attitude around here
Now there's consequences no one can enjoy

Reap what we sew no one to blame but each other

[Singerlady]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
Simple......the Villages owns that property!

[Singerlady]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?
...with no consideration for others? Selfish.

[Bill1701]

...with no consideration for others? Selfish.

Seems like you're the selfish one.

[Singerlady]

Seems like you're the selfish one.

No, I’m not the selfish one. How can I be? I’m following social distancing, wearing masks, keeping at least 6 feet from others to PROTECT YOU in case I have the virus. Stay away from me....

[Heyitsrick]

The Constitution defines the power of each Branch of Government to prevent one from becoming too powerful. The Founders had just fought a war to get away from a King and did not want another one.

You may want to read The Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's all about individual rights, vs. the power of government.

[diva1]

Anyone who thinks, and says here, 'nothing they have told us is reliable' is unable to accept that there is a danger to this pandemic and is just a myna bird for a certain political type.

[Heyitsrick]

I've read several instances of people here making their argument by citing "laws" as examples of where personal rights end. Any legislative body can create laws. But laws need to pass the constitutionality test, if challenged. Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily make it lawful. We see evidence of laws being overturned on challenge quite frequently.

[Aloha1]

@alfredpopcorn: In re reading your post, I think you were actually saying we should consider ourselves lucky to have DeSantis as Governor instead of Cuomo. That I agree with and if that is what you meant, I retract my previous response.

[tomwalla]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?


Most people would rather be sheep than shepherds.

[sloanst]

Bars do not have food as their primary offering. If food is your primary offering to the public then you are considered a restaurant.

[PennBF]

I really have a "split opinion". Should there be some controls to govern the crazies that continue to gather close to each other as I personally saw at the Cody parties and risk getting the virus. The ones that survive the ordeal of the illness may or may not live adding to the pool that can be used to protect others from the virus? Of course some may die but as they say that's the risk they run for a few drinks to satisfy an addiction. The the other opinion is to do as the Villages did and shut them down thereby protecting others from their lack of respect for other lives. I have driven by in a golf cart and seen these "must have a drink" participants ignoring the keep your distance rules and hanging out with little regard for the next guy? I vote to stop the selfish disregard for others! Which do you think is best?:popcorn:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

I don't understand why some people don't get the fact that if they contract this virus they can easily pass it on to others who are trying to do the right thing.

You can be asymptomatic for up to 14 days. How many people might a person have contact with in 14 days?

I believe that the protocols put in place do have the power of a law. Do you think that businesses would stay closed if it were mandatory?

[twoperson]

To all those that think 6 feet is some kind of "scientific" criteria for protecting you from this latest virus... Did you know that a "cloth" cotton, or other fabric, lower face mask is "scientifically" only 2% effective? That means you can still have air-born, virus particulates (98% of them) pass thru (or around ) these decorative, "homemade" face coverings. Also, it IS a scientific fact that you can contract COVID-19 virus particulates into the eyes? Your eyes are pretty much exposed all the time (when they are open). I don't see many folks wearing "approved" eye protection? I believe the mainstream media has done a very negligent job at informing the public and has "most" folks that believe everything they see on the "news" so paranoid that they have lost all sense of what is real and factual. The real facts are that being outside and in the sunlight and fresh air is the best thing you can do. Listening to music is even better. Remember, there are literally THOUSANDS of people that you are around and have passed on the street EVERYDAY for decades that have contagious conditions (some that could be fatal) and nobody ever restricted your movements and required you to don PPE before? This reaction to this latest virus has been WAY OVERBLOWN as far as the closing of selected businesses. Much damage has been done to the economy and people just need to grow-up. Mass transit, LARGE crowds such as shoulder to shoulder concerts, sporting events, waiting rooms in doctors offices and ER's, waiting in long lines for entry into some store or other area are the places where you really get exposed and are at high risk of being next to a sick person. All of these business closings are based on someone's (usually a politician) opinion/s. Just avoid crowds and tight areas full of other people. For most folks it's business as usual.

[spuds51]

To all those that think 6 feet is some kind of "scientific" criteria for protecting you from this latest virus... Did you know that a "cloth" cotton, or other fabric, lower face mask is "scientifically" only 2% effective? That means you can still have air-born, virus particulates (98% of them) pass thru (or around ) these decorative, "homemade" face coverings.


You wear the masks not to protect yourself as much as to respect and protect others around you. They say this about every day why is it so hard to grasp? Again, you may have it and not know it!! If you cough or sneeze and have a mask on you won't spread it as bad. It's to protect not only YOU but all around YOU

[Iowagirl2]

I was actually there and had a marvelous time I have been quarantining myself for two months and was worried about going out again

. I felt like everybody was keeping their distance and the sheriff even drove by twice and didn’t say a thing. I was looking forward to going there again next Monday but I guess that’s not possible. People were exaggerating on how many people were really there.

[bobnyce]

Policy makers! Ha!

[graciegirl]

I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.

I always wonder if folks took Biology and Chemistry in high school.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You may want to read The Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's all about individual rights, vs. the power of government.

It has nothing to do with the situation at hand. The government (the state) has been LESS restrictive than the Villages has been, thus far. The Villages is not a government. It is a private entity, a property management company and property development company - a holding company for a myriad of other companies. They are owners of the property in question in this thread.

THEY have the "individual right" to choose how their property is used. THEY have the "individual right" to decree "no public entertainment for now" and THEY have the "individual right" to tell Gator's that they're breaking the rules.

The government isn't doing that. The owner of the property is doing that.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Anyone who thinks, and says here, 'nothing they have told us is reliable' is unable to accept that there is a danger to this pandemic and is just a myna bird for a certain political type.

Also is "nothing is reliable" that means "some of it might be true." If we aren't able to tell which is truth and which is not - because nothing is reliable - it might want us to err on the side of caution. Not paranoia, not fear, not terror. Just caution.

So no - don't stay home with the doors locked to keep the Covid Bogeyman away. Instead, get out, wear a mask, keep your distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face.

And use common sense, like most people do. If wearing a mask for an hour makes you feel like you're too confined, then pull the mask away every 15 minutes for a few happy breaths of fresh air. Just make sure you're far enough away from everyone that if a sneeze suddenly explodes from your mouth, it won't have any chance of landing on anyone.

[ribil]

It’s all about risk. If you’re too irresponsible or defiant to follow the guidelines and put yourself at further risk not caring for your own safety, it increases the risk the rest of us suffer. Should you be allowed to drive impaired and risk someone else’s life because you feel you have the right to do so? It’s been advised that wearing a mask isn’t for your protection, it’s for the other person’s protection. If you don’t follow the guidelines because you “don’t wanna” and then transmit the virus causing someone’s death, should you be charged with manslaughter or wrongful death? A little extreme but hopefully, you get the analogy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It’s all about risk. If you’re too irresponsible or defiant to follow the guidelines and put yourself at further risk not caring for your own safety, it increases the risk the rest of us suffer. Should you be allowed to drive impaired and risk someone else’s life because you feel you have the right to do so? It’s been advised that wearing a mask isn’t for your protection, it’s for the other person’s protection. If you don’t follow the guidelines because you “don’t wanna” and then transmit the virus causing someone’s death, should you be charged with manslaughter or wrongful death? A little extreme but hopefully, you get the analogy.

I think if you don't follow the guidelines and get sick with COVID-19 as a direct result, then your health insurance shouldn't cover your hospital costs. Maybe if people knew that they could lose their homes, investments, cars, and anything else of value if they choose unwisely, they might choose a little more wisely.

[ldj1938]

For those of you that don't like what you see out there please stay home under the bed and close your eyes. You will be safe.
Personally I will sleep on the floor, my wife in the bed so we can maintain our social distance. NOT....:ho:

[VinoGolf]

I think if you don't follow the guidelines and get sick with COVID-19 as a direct result, then your health insurance shouldn't cover your hospital costs. Maybe if people knew that they could lose their homes, investments, cars, and anything else of value if they choose unwisely, they might choose a little more wisely.

Ridiculous logic.

So smokers who get cancer, drinkers who develop liver issues, unhealthy eaters who develop diabetes, people who don’t exercise that develop cardiovascular issues, etc, etc, shouldn’t be covered by their health insurance?

[New Englander]

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?

[shelley77]

I think the great divide is facilitated by the fact that the people who are making the rules have no skin in the game. They are receiving full pay and benefits, while those who have to follow the rules are out of business and facing financial ruin.
Exactly. The one thing that is absolutely true is that We are most definitely NOT in this together.

[graciegirl]

Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?

A restaurant by that name chose to not serve a prominent member of the government, about two years ago.

My memory is still functioning, but that is about all.

[fdpaq0580]

Really? Then why can't we legally decide to use recreational drugs if we want? Why can't we legally go to a prostitute? Those are just two examples of activities that effect nobody but ourselves, but society has decided we could be arrested and even jailed if we engage in them. Burns my butt when people talk about individual rights, our "liberty" or our "freedom" when they really mean you have the right to do what you want as long as you follow the rules that "I agree with." The fact is, if you have the virus you can spread it. It's NOT about your individual rights, it's about how you may impact others. I want to get out, socialize and have fun just like you, but until there's a cure or vaccine we need to do it responsibly. Is that too much to ask?

Well stated. Sadly, your point will be missed by the ones that can't grasp the concept of co-operation or social responsibility and it will be ignored by those that can comprehend it but refuse because it may stifle their fun.
Be prepared for that last group to label you as "paranoid", "media controlled", "sheep" and more.
Remember, these were probably the kids who were told "don't run with scissors" but did it anyway. If they were lucky and didn't get hurt the lesson they thought they'd learned was "I'm smarter than everyone and no one can tell me what to do"
Protect yourself as best you can because, as you can see from of these posts, there are a lot of folks who care only about themselves.

[shelley77]

I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.
How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?

[VinoGolf]

How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?

Excellent point. Someone posted a few days ago this very thing. To heck with all the delivery people, service people, etc. as long as the stay at homer’s get all of their needs taken care of.

[PugMom]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that. i don't get that comment. it's downright frightening for me to imagine just 'following' what 'policy-makers' say'. it has to do with personal responsibility & not just accepting whatever is told to us has been decided for the 'greater-good.' there's a big red flag that pops up when i hear those terms.

[brianherlihy]

let me be free/

[CarolSells]

Pray tell, who be the "Little Red Hen"?

Henny-Penny: The Sky is Falling!

My apologies to any little red hens. Henny-Penny was the chicken who ran around spreading panic because an acorn fell on her head in a children’s story book.

[fdpaq0580]

Also is "nothing is reliable" that means "some of it might be true." If we aren't able to tell which is truth and which is not - because nothing is reliable - it might want us to err on the side of caution. Not paranoia, not fear, not terror. Just caution.

So no - don't stay home with the doors locked to keep the Covid Bogeyman away. Instead, get out, wear a mask, keep your distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face.

And use common sense, like most people do. If wearing a mask for an hour makes you feel like you're too confined, then pull the mask away every 15 minutes for a few happy breaths of fresh air. Just make sure you're far enough away from everyone that if a sneeze suddenly explodes from your mouth, it won't have any chance of landing on anyone.

Well said. "Err on the side of caution", "better safe than sorry" are only a couple many sayings that apply during these uncertain times.
If you see someone with a mask at the store, it might be be me looking out for your health. If I see someone wearing a mask, I will (silently) thank you for looking out for mine.
Respect!

[graciegirl]

How come the people who want everyone to stay home, have everyone lose their jobs and businesses so they can feel safe, how come they're not the selfish ones?

Please stop saying that. All people who stay home, do not necessarily "want everyone to stay home". I stay home because there is a greater than one in ten risk of me dying if I contract Covid-19. I don't think Covid-19 is a hoax. I do worry GREATLY about the devastating effects on the economy of the U.S. and the world.

I wonder if it is waning now and will "roar back" in the fall. I do not think this virus is a political tool, or an exaggerated weaponized threat from a foreign power. I think it is a deadly virus to a lot of old people. I think it is causing a terrible repercussion to business and industry of all kinds and the very life of many by job shut down.

[remarks006]

Hey big spender , perhaps people were complaining that free loaders were parking their chairs in the middle of the sidewalk listening to music that was paid for by Gators ,for the enjoyment of PAYING CUSTOMERS.
2) maybe Gators decided the music didn’t bring in enough revenue to justify the music cost.
Your going to have to wait for the SQUARES, to open again, so you can listen to free music ,and perhaps not block a sidewalk

[kanoa1kale2]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.

It seems there were a few individuals that remember we are a free people and make our own decisions. Don't forget, Stalin in Russia was a policy maker and also had neighbors spying on neighbors. Don't be like that and we should never accept that here. Stalin killed 9 million people with his policies!

[huange@verizon.net]

I’m assuming that most of those on TOTV were alive and well in 1968-1969. That was when the Hong Kong flu hit. How many of you remember social distancing and self-isolating? Oh guess what also happened in 1969? Does Woodstock ring a bell?
According to the CDC, the estimated number of deaths from the HK flu was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older.
I don’t recall any uproar from my parents, neighbors, nor the senior population back then.

[donfey]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
In any sizable group of people, whatever their association, there is a number just WAITING to be offended - and they will NOT be denied. IMO, those are the ones who should stay locked up in their homes until all possibility of infection is eliminated. Live and let live.

[big guy]

Apples and oranges, not a valid comparison.

Demographics. Population density. Climate. Travelers coming in from hot spots early on. All likely different. Just look at Miami-Dade vs. rural counties in Florida

Not necessarily, population density I would agree on but all the spring breakers in Miami didn't help. And if we hadn't been locked down, we probably would have had a tremendous outbreak here because of the visitors from all over, new York and New jersey included.

[LSTOWELL]

It's all about "mememe"

[Dana1963]

We are not supporting resturaunts for a while its not up to me to support them what are we getting in return a complimentary drink I bet not.Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!

[Guitarman1951]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
I'm an out of work musician due to the virus so I'm more than ready to get back to playing even if in special mitigating circumstances.

[Pinball wizard]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.

Or maybe the policy makers move all of us in the wrong direction.

[Two Bills]

I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.

Australia closed its borders to all but returning citizens, and went into lockdown PDQ. after first case found, and WHO declared a pandemic.

Australia has a land mass of nearly 3 million sq. miles.
About 2 people per sq. mile.

Florida's land mass is just under 66 thousand sq. miles.
About 400 people per sq mile.

Now that is social distancing!!

[CarolSells]

Or maybe the policy makers move all of us in the wrong direction.

What amazes me the most about all of this mess is that some people are so rigid in their thoughts and opinions that they absolutely REFUSE to even look at the possibility that the “talking heads” (well, actually, cleavage and small suits holding iPads) are pushing an agenda.

We’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

My younger son’s girlfriend is an ICU nurse in Chicago. Thankfully she has seen nothing like the media would have us believe is going on there.

Colorado reduced their COVID-19 numbers down by 25% recently.

I posted earlier on this forum for people to cite cases of actual people here in The Villages who they know have died from the virus that was passed from scofflaws out and about. Response? Crickets! ( I believe, unfortunately, that we know for sure of two people here who have passed and tested positive for the virus ).

Don’t make this political; you know what happens when you “ass-u-me.

Rant over.

[jacksonbrown]

You can be asymptomatic for up to 14 days.

Which means that on the Saturday after your Friday Beatlemaniacs performance, every member of your driveway group can spread the virus?

Might you be more understanding of others who want to congregate.

[Number 10 GI]

Come sneeze in my face and you will get an example of my rights. :pray:

I haven't read any post that says they are going to sneeze in someone's face. One thing I learned in my 20 years in the Army is that no matter how bad you think you are there is someone who is even badder.

[Sherry8bal]

You're right Leadbone1 - The Villages is FULL of these people who are probably just as guilty of everything themselves but they think it's their job to report anyone who might be doing something they aren't supposed to. The Governor DID relax the regs a bit so you were not doing anything wrong. I also feel The Villages has NO POWER at all to override what the State or Federal Government says. They are not a city power or anything.

[Henryfrakl]

By this standard they should shut off the piped in music to squares because it will attract crowds.

[RonI46]

Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!
Well businesses DO rent the space the building is on so I guess the land owner can set rules.

[Number 10 GI]

It seems there were a few individuals that remember we are a free people and make our own decisions. Don't forget, Stalin in Russia was a policy maker and also had neighbors spying on neighbors. Don't be like that and we should never accept that here. Stalin killed 9 million people with his policies!

From the documentaries I've watched and books I've read, Stalin is credited with the deaths of over 20 million people. He was a vile and evil person.

[roscoguy]

The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but it looks to me like the Articles of the Constitution basically establish the government itself. Then, the first 10 Amendments, aka The Bill of Rights, set some limits on the government & spell out some rights of the people and certain limits upon the government. After that are 17 more amendments, few of which actually have anything at all to do with individuals.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.

I'm definitely with you on this point though... :blahblahblah: :ohdear:

[Number 10 GI]

First off I wear a mask when I go out. If you are so concerned about being infected with the virus why are you leaving your house??? Yes the people who allegedly were violating "social distance" could become infected and if they do how are they going to infect you if you stay in your home? As a number of posters have stated they have their groceries delivered so they can stay safe at home. Why can't you do that? Even if everyone wore a mask when they are our and about you will still run the risk of infection. If you stay at home you have almost a zero change of becoming infected no matter how many people don't wear a mask.

[GPGuar]

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.
Because the policy makers can’t agree on anything!! We are not sheep! Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask... go into a store or don’t go in. You’re choice, there are no laws forcing masks be worn or socially distancing... they are guidelines as far as l know.

[roscoguy]

Ridiculous logic.

So smokers who get cancer, drinkers who develop liver issues, unhealthy eaters who develop diabetes, people who don’t exercise that develop cardiovascular issues, etc, etc, shouldn’t be covered by their health insurance?

Hmmm, that might not be not such a bad idea. It is insurance after all and was never really intended to mean 'Oh no, look what I've done to myself on purpose! Somebody fix me - for free!!' I am being mostly sarcastic, but maybe there should be a co-pay for people that refuse to take any responsibility for their own health and well-being...

[Heyitsrick]

You may want to read The Bill of Rights - the first 10 amendments to the Constitution. It's all about individual rights, vs. the power of government.


It has nothing to do with the situation at hand. The government (the state) has been LESS restrictive than the Villages has been, thus far. The Villages is not a government. It is a private entity, a property management company and property development company - a holding company for a myriad of other companies. They are owners of the property in question in this thread.

THEY have the "individual right" to choose how their property is used. THEY have the "individual right" to decree "no public entertainment for now" and THEY have the "individual right" to tell Gator's that they're breaking the rules.

The government isn't doing that. The owner of the property is doing that.

I'm not sure why you're making that comment to me. I was responding to a person who implied that the Constitution was really just about stating the powers of each branch of government, when in fact it's much more than that. It's clearly a document that spells out individual rights, and there's no dispute about that.

Now, as to your response, you seem to give "THEY" seemingly unlimited power over any business that rents on the property. If the contract between a business and TV provides the authority of TV to curtail music as such, then that's perfectly within the language of the agreed upon contract. A company that signs such a contract must abide by TV's decrees on that agreed upon language.

But that's where it ends. No property owners get to just make up rules on a whim that haven't been legally agreed to beforehand. Private property does not in any way confer that power. It's not a right.

[Slapnut]

Sometimes it's better to make your own decisions. People that make some decisions are not always right. Go with your gut feeling and do your homework before letting someone make decisions for you

[Mleeja]

I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.
Bad comparison. Australia’s land mass is much larger than Florida. People are already much more “social distanced”.

[Mleeja]

I am surprised no one has mentioned that two Country Clubs had an ad in the DS stating they were going to have live entertainment on their patios.

[mneumann02]

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?
It is up to others to decide what we can and can not do in the interests of public health and safety- hence laws for seatbelts, speed limits, many restaurant rules to protect our health, and so on. The rules and directives coming from the pandemic are there to protect all of us. I would not care if you flaunted those rules, if you were the only one you were endangering. I just don't want someone else's reckless behaviour to transfer to me the coronavirus and threaten my health, and at my age, possibly kill me. For example, wearing facemasks in public does not protect you. It protects others if you have the virus by trapping much of your sneeze or cough.

[EdFNJ]

I am surprised no one has mentioned that two Country Clubs had an ad in the DS stating they were going to have live entertainment on their patios.
That advertisement means nothing (either way) except what their intent is. The ads are given to the papers well in advance of publication date. Last week the entire month of May Square's Entertainment schedule was in the paper. Do you see.hear any music on the squares? As always those ads are "subject to change."

[EdFNJ]

Bad comparison. Australia’s land mass is much larger than Florida. People are already much more “social distanced”.
That too is a bad comparison as it isn't the number of square miles that matters it's the population density in the cities.

The top 4 cities by population in Australia are 4.5million, 4 million, 2.5 million and 2 million

Top 4 in Florida by population is 926K, 425K, 413K and 291K (all added together it's 1/2 of the single largest city in Australia.)

A city of 4.5 million is far more densely populated than the largest city in FL of 927,000 (Jacksonville).

[mneumann02]

I get it just fine. It's called CONTROL. If anyone is worried about social distancing and getting COVID-19, they can just stay home and listen to the radio and dance naked in their own homes.

I don't understand how so many of you have given up your rights under the US Constitution .. inalienable rights ... and have traded liberty for perceive safety. The PRIMARY focus of the US Constitution is INDIVIDUAL rights; not collective authority. The Constitution exists to protect the INDIVIDUAL from the whims of the masses.

Tired of the ignorance so many display.

I don't understand unreasonable thinking such as this. There is a world-wide pandemic occurring and some people actually think establishing rules to try to control it is unconstitutional. Wow. Is it also unconstitutional for state health departments to have restaurant rules that protect us from food borne illnesses? I do agree the rules need to be more carefully thought out, that one size does not fit all, and we need to take careful steps to restore our economy.

[queasy27]

No one should be surprised that this happened. This is what happens when you can't play nicely. You get your toys taken away.

What are the odds that those blaming "tattletales" for ruining their enjoyment are the same folks who flout their deed restrictions and then take their anger out on the people who reported them rather than, you know, not break the rules in the first place?