I’ll wait for an answer...!

[Leadbone1]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

[Topspinmo]

You’re talking to the wrong experts here? It you want answers from somebody in charge?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

[joseppe]

Just my opinion, but people of different households should not be sitting at the same table. Otherwise I agree, no different than your other scenario. But just because any given situation seems to violate the guideline does not intone that all other situations that violate should be then be OK.

[CWGUY]

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

:icon_wink: Someone needs to talk to Margarita Republic..... they have had outside entertainment. :ohdear:

[Topspinmo]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...


See!!!!!!....

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

:icon_wink: Someone needs to talk to Margarita Republic..... they have had outside entertainment. :ohdear:

Won't be me. I have no horse in this race. Just commenting on the remarkable lengths people will go to, to justify poor behavior and lack of consideration for humanity in general. And somewhat surprised that the childish attitude comes from supposed senior adults who should know better. "They do it, why can't I?" Seriously? You all never got the "because I'm the mom, that's why" lecture when you were 7?

[DDVeteran]

In every segment of life there will always be people who feel that rules do not apply to them.

[thomp679]

Won't be me. I have no horse in this race. Just commenting on the remarkable lengths people will go to, to justify poor behavior and lack of consideration for humanity in general. And somewhat surprised that the childish attitude comes from supposed senior adults who should know better. "They do it, why can't I?" Seriously? You all never got the "because I'm the mom, that's why" lecture when you were 7?

100% agree. This 'all of me' angle is disturbing.

[YouNeverKnow]

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

[coffeebean]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

This is confusing to me too. We were in Beef O'Brady's today for lunch. They have tables 6 feet apart but there are tables of 8 set up for customers. This is inside, no masks and 4 people sitting shoulder to shoulder and 4 people sitting across the table sitting shoulder to shoulder. Where is the social distancing to that?

Who is mandating these guidelines? Are they not thinking this through? If tables of 8 inside sitting so close with no masks are within the guidelines, then why even bother to request social distancing at all? Oh....and all the employees are wearing masks but that does no good if there is an asymptomatic patron sitting among seven others in close proximity. Where is the logic in this?

[BamaBoy451]

:icon_wink: Someone needs to talk to Margarita Republic..... they have had outside entertainment. :ohdear:

Observed that as well there with social distancing and no one have busted them over it. I think something else lies beneath R.G. Gator getting jerked. All it takes is an accusation these days.

[golfing eagles]

Observed that as well there with social distancing and no one have busted them over it. I think something else lies beneath R.G. Gator getting jerked. All it takes is an accusation these days.


Salem, MA, 1692-93

[Medtrans]

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

The ad for Belle Glade and I believe Bonifay states live music but clearly states “no dancing”. So I guess as long as they state it, they don’t really have to monitor it?

[Leadbone1]

This is confusing to me too. We were in Beef O'Brady's today for lunch. They have tables 6 feet apart but there are tables of 8 set up for customers. This is inside, no masks and 4 people sitting shoulder to shoulder and 4 people sitting across the table sitting shoulder to shoulder. Where is the social distancing to that?

Who is mandating these guidelines? Are they not thinking this through? If tables of 8 inside sitting so close with no masks are within the guidelines, then why even bother to request social distancing at all? Oh....and all the employees are wearing masks but that does no good if there is an asymptomatic patron sitting among seven others in close proximity. Where is the logic in this?

Thank you! You are the first person that actually addressed the question that I asked. And you also realized, unlike many of the others, that these so-called rules make absolutely no sense. But there are still paranoid people out there that want to complain about others even though If they thought about it for a minute they would realize how ridiculous it is just like you and I have.

[Leadbone1]

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

That post did not answer my question! Why were you worried about the people on the dance floor not social distancing, but you were OK with the same people sitting at a table having dinner not social distancing? The point I’m trying to make, which is not easy around here, is that the social distancing rules are ridiculous and ineffective. But because some Talking Heads on television kept repeating that to everyone, nobody stops to think about whether it makes any sense? You can’t hide from this virus or any other virus forever.

[Leadbone1]

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

Your reply did not answer my question at all?? I don’t know that music is not allowed anywhere? Don’t think you do either? My question was about the hypocrisy of the so-called social distancing rules?

[Leadbone1]

You’re talking to the wrong experts here? It you want answers from somebody in charge?

Well, I don’t think anybody that is so-called in charge can logically answer the question I asked?

[Rwirish]

Because TV owns the property and can make that decision, period.

[Leadbone1]

Just my opinion, but people of different households should not be sitting at the same table. Otherwise I agree, no different than your other scenario. But just because any given situation seems to violate the guideline does not intone that all other situations that violate should be then be OK.

Well at least you’re one of the only people that sort of answered the question. My point is to point out the hypocrisy and the uselessness of the social distancing rules. 66% of the people that got Covid in New York we’re locked down in their houses. Because some so-called experts use the phrase social distancing enough on television, no one ever stop to think whether it made any sense.

[dkintzer1]

Won't be me. I have no horse in this race. Just commenting on the remarkable lengths people will go to, to justify poor behavior and lack of consideration for humanity in general. And somewhat surprised that the childish attitude comes from supposed senior adults who should know better. "They do it, why can't I?" Seriously? You all never got the "because I'm the mom, that's why" lecture when you were 7?

Maybe, because at 7 years you only had that much experiences. Now adding 65 more years on to that; most people are able to judge for themselves what is best for them. When I am in your house, I comply with your rules and when I am not, I think for myself. You may not like my thinking and that's your right. However, I continue to think for myself weather you choose to object or not.

[Ray Greene]

Are we not smart enough at this age to make our own decisions As to what is safe? If you make the wrong decision the consequences are all yours! You have to live or die with them!

[Jtown]

Its still comes back to (everyone has choices to make ) ! We all want a life to live . Make it be the best you can for self , but also remember and THINK about other people as well . Non of us are perfect

[woderfulwendy1]

If you disagree, have your food and groceries delivered. Do virtual/face time Dr. visits and you never have to leave your house and let others do what they think is right at this point. There most likely be a upward trend in about 1 plus weeks once every thing starts getting back to normal. What will you do if there is no vaccine for 6 more months or longer? We can't stay locked down forever.

[bonrich]

Are we not smart enough at this age to make our own decisions As to what is safe? If you make the wrong decision the consequences are all yours! You have to live or die with them!

It says it all. You are the one caretaker of your life, but you could impact others.
A Dermatologist warns you to wear sunscreen or cover your head in bright sun or you will be back to me to scrape off that cancer from your face and arms. Or please put on your seat belt when you drive the car, and an accident happens and it is fatal to the person with no seat belt. If you take care of yourself, it will impact others. Simple, not hard to understand. Could go on forever with examples of what we would do instinctevly so why it make it so difficult to enjoy our life as it is, for now, it will get better.

[danglanzsr]

Out of approximately 120,000 people only about 70 Villagers have been diagnosed with Covid-19. The UF health system announced it has had no admission for Covid-19 in three weeks. There are no Covid-10 patients in any UF hospital at the moment.

What that means to me is the likelihood that I will be sitting within six feet of an infectious individual anywhere in The Villages is low enough that I don't worry about it. If a person is highly vulnerable and/or severely risk adverse, they are free to remain home. But, please give it a rest for the rest of us.

[Leadbone1]

Your reply didn’t answer my question at all. You just come with that silly “I am the mom” and that’s the way it is answer. We are not children and the villages is not our mother. Some of us actually question whether the rules make any sense before we decide to follow them blindly. Some of you don’t

If you disagree, have your food and groceries delivered. Do virtual/face time Dr. visits and you never have to leave your house and let others do what they think is right at this point. There most likely be a upward trend in about 1 plus weeks once every thing starts getting back to normal. What will you do if there is no vaccine for 6 more months or longer? We can't stay locked down forever.

Well, I can point out some hypocrisies in that also. You order your groceries by phone or online. And by the time they get to your house they have been touched by how many people? There is no question there will be more cases reported because we’re doing more testing. The relevant thing is hospitalization and or mortality’s which is dropping drastically. This virus is not a problem to 95% of the people that get it. I agree that we can’t stay locked down forever. That’s not what human beings do. Ask for a vaccine? Not saying I wouldn’t take it but I would wait at least a year to see what kind of issues might arise from it?

[DecaturFargo]

Thank you for your response. Never seen such childish behavior, except from children.

[Leadbone1]

Out of approximately 120,000 people only about 70 Villagers have been diagnosed with Covid-19. The UF health system announced it has had no admission for Covid-19 in three weeks. There are no Covid-10 patients in any UF hospital at the moment.

What that means to me is the likelihood that I will be sitting within six feet of an infectious individual anywhere in The Villages is low enough that I don't worry about it. If a person is highly vulnerable and/or severely risk adverse, they are free to remain home. But, please give it a rest for the rest of us.

Exactly!

[Reggie2383]

The phrase Social Distancing is becoming OBNOXIOUS . People are gregarious by nature and if this is how life is going to be until there is a cure, it is going to be a pretty sad commentary. We are in the home stretch here , for those of who think you are going to live forever, have fun sitting your house social distancing with your masks on. I want to enjoy what time I have left on this earth.There is no proven science to this lockdown. You can’t say we are pulling through this because of the so called rules. The experts predicted hundreds of thousands would die even with the lockdown. I’m over it.As for the complainers, sounds like their are too many Golf Cart Ladies in TV. You know the social justice warriors who have their nose in everyones business. If your afraid stay home leave the rest of us alone.

[Girlcopper]

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

Exactly. And several people at one table is allowed if from the same family. And as earlier, if you dont like the setup, stay home!

[Ginpappas]

The phrase Social Distancing is becoming OBNOXIOUS . People are gregarious by nature and if this is how life is going to be until there is a cure, it is going to be a pretty sad commentary. We are in the home stretch here , for those of who think you are going to live forever, have fun sitting your house social distancing with your masks on. I want to enjoy what time I have left on this earth.There is no proven science to this lockdown. You can’t say we are pulling through this because of the so called rules. The experts predicted hundreds of thousands would die even with the lockdown. I’m over it.As for the complainers, sounds like their are too many Golf Cart Ladies in TV. You know the social justice warriors who have their nose in everyones business. If your afraid stay home leave the rest of us alone.

How about "Social Responsibility" is that less "obnoxious"? What I hear when I listen to people who think like you, is I'm going to drink and drive and if you don't want me to kill you with my car - stay off the roads... How is that different? We are being asked to help keep each other safe by wearing a mask and giving each other space - our parents or grandparents who suffered through so much with wars, depressions, scarcities, and other real world issues are ashamed of us.

[Leadbone1]

Exactly. And several people at one table is allowed if from the same family. And as earlier, if you dont like the setup, stay home!

If from the same family? Do you really think that’s the case? You are ridiculous. I don’t like the set up and I’m not staying home. And I have a lot of company!

[La lamy]

This is probably not going to be a popular post, but I always find the patio music at Gators WAY TOO LOUD. I wish I was in TV right now so I could enjoy reading by the lake in a quiet way!

[karostay]

Thank you for your response. Never seen such childish behavior, except from children.

This proves it! As we age our mentality gets younger
Childish behavior abounds here

[HimandMe]

In every segment of life there will always be people who feel that rules do not apply to them.

And people who feel it’s their sole responsibility to point out every slight no matter how small.

[Topspinmo]

This is confusing to me too. We were in Beef O'Brady's today for lunch. They have tables 6 feet apart but there are tables of 8 set up for customers. This is inside, no masks and 4 people sitting shoulder to shoulder and 4 people sitting across the table sitting shoulder to shoulder. Where is the social distancing to that?

Who is mandating these guidelines? Are they not thinking this through? If tables of 8 inside sitting so close with no masks are within the guidelines, then why even bother to request social distancing at all? Oh....and all the employees are wearing masks but that does no good if there is an asymptomatic patron sitting among seven others in close proximity. Where is the logic in this?

Maybe they are for families?

[sjgreene5]

I agree also they shut down people sitting at the outside bar at all the FMK restaurants even though the people were at least 6 feet apart. What is the difference from sitting 6 feet apart at an outside bar or 6 feet apart at a table. This used to be a free country, sad to see a few Villages "Nazi's" can take that freedom away. They have a choice not to go out and to wear masks but we don't have a choice to have fun while adhering to the rules by the government.

[Pamelaroberts]

People are living in fear and end up spreading this unrealistic terror. Use common sense! Wash your hands and dont touch hour face. Get back to living people!

[Marathon Man]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

Because it gives people who like to be angry and complain something to be angry at and complain about.

[am.zinger@aol.com]

If you wait for those in charge to answer, you'll have a beard to rival Rip Van Winkle's.

[mydavid]

Just my opinion, but people of different households should not be sitting at the same table. Otherwise I agree, no different than your other scenario. But just because any given situation seems to violate the guideline does not intone that all other situations that violate should be then be OK.

Well said:bigbow:

[Lindsyburnsy]

When it gets right down to it, some people are not going to follow guidelines. Just because the Governor says it's okay to do one thing and not another, it is up to YOU to decide what you want to do to protect yourself and accept responsibility for the risk you feel you can take.

Went to an ice cream stand yesterday. The cement was marked with 6 ft. lines. People came, some with family/friends and others alone. About 60 % of the people wore masks. In the small groups of people, not everyone wore a mask.

All the staff wore masks and gloves, which was the reason we decided to buy ice cream. We wore masks.



Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

[Singerlady]

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

I wouldn’t be anywhere near a singer at this time. We spit when we sing....disgusting but true!

[Singerlady]

The phrase Social Distancing is becoming OBNOXIOUS . People are gregarious by nature and if this is how life is going to be until there is a cure, it is going to be a pretty sad commentary. We are in the home stretch here , for those of who think you are going to live forever, have fun sitting your house social distancing with your masks on. I want to enjoy what time I have left on this earth.There is no proven science to this lockdown. You can’t say we are pulling through this because of the so called rules. The experts predicted hundreds of thousands would die even with the lockdown. I’m over it.As for the complainers, sounds like their are too many Golf Cart Ladies in TV. You know the social justice warriors who have their nose in everyones business. If your afraid stay home leave the rest of us alone.
Better safe than sorry...I’m willing to be patient to be ABLE to enjoy the rest of my life. I will stay away from selfish people who are only concerned about themselves and not others. There IS proof that the virus spreads from human contact. Distancing (notice I left off the word ‘social’...because it’s obnoxious) HELPS that until we can get a real handle on this insidious virus. Glad you’re over it. I’m not afraid...I’m just cautious.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

It’s all about politics. It got political real fast. In the beginning they told you to wash your hands and don’t touch your face. People are acting paranoid and crazy. Use some common sense. If you believe that you are at high risk or just prefer to just stay home then do it!

[daca55]

That’s right! There was someone entertaining there last night.

[Rodneysblue]

Live and let live.

[Joe C.]

Don't you people get it ????
The tables need to be 6 feet apart so that the TABLES don't catch anything.
It's not about us.

People won't comply when idiots try to control them.
There is a distinct difference between recommendations, rules and laws.
Laws are enforceable. The others, not.

[graciegirl]

Don't you people get it ????
The tables need to be 6 feet apart so that the TABLES don't catch anything.
It's not about us.

People won't comply when idiots try to control them.
There is a distinct difference between recommendations, rules and laws.
Laws are enforceable. The others, not.

Too many people don't believe that teeny tiny varmints can kill you. Some won't buy it unless they can swat it with a fly swatter...………..

[Waltdisney4life]

So 30,000,000 people should go with out food or shelter because 1% of the population might get sick and some will die.
They call this socialism.

[Aloha1]

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

Unless such authority was included in their lease, Gator's has a viable lawsuit against the Developer.

[shut the front door]

Because Gator's is not public property.
The Villages owns the property that Gator's rents from them.
The Villages decides what can and cannot be done on its property.
The Villages has decided that public outdoor entertainment is not allowed yet.
Gator's violated that decision.

That's why.

The Villages has NOT disallowed outdoor entertainment. They told 1 restaurant to stop. They have allowed it to continue at other places.

[Leadbone1]

Because it gives people who like to be angry and complain something to be angry at and complain about.

Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

[wamley]

Would like to see the lease before I believe that statement.

[wamley]

Exactly, remeber when you hear, This is done for the greater good. What BS.

[Leadbone1]

Unless such authority was included in their lease, Gator's has a viable lawsuit against the Developer.

Exactly. When you rent or lease a space as long as you are paying you have all the rights of ownership. Your landlord cannot dictate to you how you run your business. I doubt seriously there’s any language in the lease that says we can control whether you can have music or not? There are a lot of examples of administrators in this country overstepping their legal authority and violating citizens constitutional rights.

[Scorpyo]

Reading these posts is like watching TV and continually switching between MSNBC and Fox News. Quite amusing.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Salem, MA, 1692-93

It was actually in Salem Village which is now part of Danvers. It's surprising that Salem gets all the attention when nothing ever really happened there.

What is shocking is that if you go to the witch museum and see what actually happened there it is horrendous. Then you exit the museum into the gift shop and see all of these cute little witch items.

[davem4616]

let's face it the "rules" are defined at such a high level that they are absolutely open to everyone's own interpretation on how to implement...businesses that do the exact same thing are not consistent (e.g. Winn Dixie at LSL - the aisles are two way....Publix at Lake Deaton has implemented one-way aisles)

add to that that every restaurant has a different floor plan, some have bars, some don't, some traditionally had live music and want it, some didn't and bingo a recipe for "Heniz 57 variety"

somebody dropped a dime on this restaurant and someone with authority was forced to act (and let's not immediately throw the Morse family under the bus...it could very well have been the manager or the owner that pulled the plug on the music because they didn't want any public backlash)

who? why?.... a lot of people are feeling self-righteous, a lot of folks are playing it safe, and a lot of folks are acting like nothing has changed and things are back to normal

interesting times that we are in

somehow it doesn't feel like we're living in 'the friendliest town' anymore...but I'm not sure any place would feel that way right now

[amdubuc]

Did I not see live music advertised in the Daily Sun at Ednas Yesterday? Villages property?

[aallbrand]

please do not be fooled by 6 ft its just a guideline that has a large margin of error . The way I see it is pick your side. Side one are educated thoughtful people that care about the world and others . They are willing to sacrifice and give up some pleasures for the betterment of the human race. Then we have the others. Selfish ,foolish ,stubborn and no disregard for others . They are the ones who do not wear masks and cant understand why after a life time of listening to live music ,eating at restaurants and doing what ever they would rather help spread a virus then make sacrifices.

[Nucky]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

Every once in awhile a Thread or Post really gets to me and this is one of them. People risked their lives to save people who got sick from this Devilish Virus. Is it really that important that a question like this be asked at all? It's what the people in charge want. Why not take your question to them then let us know what you find out. Nobody on this Forum turned off the music or snuffed the party.

I don't question you bringing up the subject but take it easy with your :boxing2: tone!

Take your time with your answer? You've gotta be kidding! Most posts that start like that bring no fruit. They are NOTHING but confrontational. Who do you think you are talking to? We are adults trying to prolong our lives and do mostly smart things. Why not join us? :clap2:

[deebrock]

Well I am thinking everywhere is different. We will all see when and if the virus ramps up how people feel when they know that the social distancing they did was not sufficient. Also if it is not being policed there is nothing any of us can do. Our world has changed and maybe we need to accept it.

[GeriS]

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

[Nucky]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

I question why you ask your question on TOTV'S when nobody here has the Juice to anything about your concern. Why not aim your question at the higher-ups who pulled the plug on your music?

I recommend you don't start your conversation with them by telling them to take their time with the answer they may or may not have. Talking down to others on this Forum is generally not accepted very well.

Let us know how you make out and get the names of the people you contact.

[George Page]

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

[coffeebean]

Exactly. And several people at one table is allowed if from the same family. And as earlier, if you dont like the setup, stay home!


What a joke that guideline is, especially for here in The Villages. I would bet money those tables for eight set up in the middle of Beef O'Grady's were not going to be occupied by family members all living in the same house hold. Social distancing? Hardly.

[PugMom]

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

but if you are isolating inside all this time, my wearing or not wearing a mask should'nt affect you, right? you will be nowhere near me

[coffeebean]

Maybe they are for families?


Don't think so. More like golfing groups.....just like it always was.

[coffeebean]

I wouldn’t be anywhere near a singer at this time. We spit when we sing....disgusting but true!

That is for sure. I've been in the first row of a theater and can see the droplets flying across the stage. It is expected especially when watching Nathan Lane and Mathew Broderick perform together. Spit droplets everywhere!

[coffeebean]

Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

The plexiglass is there to protect the employee, not us. As for the groceries that I bring home.....who knows how many people touch every item in a grocery store? Lots, I'm sure, even shoppers who seem to want to touch lots of things then put them back on the shelves. What I do is sanitize every single item that comes into my house with the exception of items packaged in cardboard boxes. Items that are packaged in cardboard boxes are set aside in a holding area in my laundry room for at least 3 days before I put them away. It is a royal PIA to have to do this but it is the safe way to go.

[Manhoopty]

The reason that we are no longer interested in moving here anymore after 11 years of visiting.

FAR too many “busy bodies” who just can’t mind their own damn business!!!

[coffeebean]

Well I am thinking everywhere is different. We will all see when and if the virus ramps up how people feel when they know that the social distancing they did was not sufficient. Also if it is not being policed there is nothing any of us can do. Our world has changed and maybe we need to accept it.

OR......didn't do at all.

[coffeebean]

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

This has been said so many times by the media, the Coronavirus task force and here on TOTV.........there are asymptomatic people who are shedding virus and are infecting others and they had no idea they were infecting others. These asymptomatic folks have no idea they carry the virus. THIS is the reason "healthy" people had to adhere to shelter in place guidelines AKA quarantine. Unless tested every day, no one knows if they carry the virus or not if they do not have any symptoms.

I have read that as many as 50% of people who have been tested do not have symptoms. There is not enough testing or testing that is accurate enough to make it safe enough to drop all restrictions. We will be socializing at a distance for quite some time. Like the way I put a spin on that obnoxious term?

[popbaby2]

Exactly. Good post
My point was to try and point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of many of the social distancing guidelines this example was just one. I could come up with probably 25 if I thought about it. One that comes to mind is you have plexiglass between you and the cashier at Publix, while that person is touching every single thing that you’re taking home with you? I wish people would plug their brains in and just think?

The plexiglass is to protect the cashier....

[coffeebean]

but if you are isolating inside all this time, my wearing or not wearing a mask should'nt affect you, right? you will be nowhere near me

That is not the case for many people. Sheltering in place still has people going to grocery stores, pharmacies, Home Depot and other essential goods establishments. Why should people who wish to remain safe have to huddle in their homes and NEVER EVER leave because of the folks who refuse to social distance or wear a mask when social distancing is not possible?

[Pickleballer3]

Has anyone heard when pickleball may start again?

[champion6]

Has anyone heard when pickleball may start again?Tomorrow, Monday, May 18. Check this week's Recreation News that was in Thursday's Daily Sun.

[Pickleballer3]

Wow, thanks for the information!

[jimjamuser]

Our Florida governor has authorized all outside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart and now 50% of all inside dining as long as tables are 6 feet apart. All good!
Yesterday I posted about the music being stopped at Gators because killjoys complained that we irresponsible people were not social distancing as we should be? I felt The Villages was out of line in stopping that as it makes no sense!
So, I have the following question for all the social distancing geniuses and the villages?
(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...
Those who ignore history and science are doomed to relive pandemics.

[jimjamuser]

Won't be me. I have no horse in this race. Just commenting on the remarkable lengths people will go to, to justify poor behavior and lack of consideration for humanity in general. And somewhat surprised that the childish attitude comes from supposed senior adults who should know better. "They do it, why can't I?" Seriously? You all never got the "because I'm the mom, that's why" lecture when you were 7?
Good post.

[jimjamuser]

This is confusing to me too. We were in Beef O'Brady's today for lunch. They have tables 6 feet apart but there are tables of 8 set up for customers. This is inside, no masks and 4 people sitting shoulder to shoulder and 4 people sitting across the table sitting shoulder to shoulder. Where is the social distancing to that?

Who is mandating these guidelines? Are they not thinking this through? If tables of 8 inside sitting so close with no masks are within the guidelines, then why even bother to request social distancing at all? Oh....and all the employees are wearing masks but that does no good if there is an asymptomatic patron sitting among seven others in close proximity. Where is the logic in this?
Good points.

[jimjamuser]

Are we not smart enough at this age to make our own decisions As to what is safe? If you make the wrong decision the consequences are all yours! You have to live or die with them!
The consequences affect everyone and in no small way. Just to live or die.

[jimjamuser]

How about "Social Responsibility" is that less "obnoxious"? What I hear when I listen to people who think like you, is I'm going to drink and drive and if you don't want me to kill you with my car - stay off the roads... How is that different? We are being asked to help keep each other safe by wearing a mask and giving each other space - our parents or grandparents who suffered through so much with wars, depressions, scarcities, and other real world issues are ashamed of us.
Yes, good example!

[jimjamuser]

If recommendations and rules are NOT observed then society gets harsher laws and speedbumps.

[jimjamuser]

So 30,000,000 people should go with out food or shelter because 1% of the population might get sick and some will die.
They call this socialism.
In the US the ratio of deaths to cases is 6%.

[jimjamuser]

please do not be fooled by 6 ft its just a guideline that has a large margin of error . The way I see it is pick your side. Side one are educated thoughtful people that care about the world and others . They are willing to sacrifice and give up some pleasures for the betterment of the human race. Then we have the others. Selfish ,foolish ,stubborn and no disregard for others . They are the ones who do not wear masks and cant understand why after a life time of listening to live music ,eating at restaurants and doing what ever they would rather help spread a virus then make sacrifices.
Well said.

[jimjamuser]

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.
In the 1918 Kansas flu, several cities out West quarantined their whole town.

[jimjamuser]

The plexiglass is there to protect the employee, not us. As for the groceries that I bring home.....who knows how many people touch every item in a grocery store? Lots, I'm sure, even shoppers who seem to want to touch lots of things then put them back on the shelves. What I do is sanitize every single item that comes into my house with the exception of items packaged in cardboard boxes. Items that are packaged in cardboard boxes are set aside in a holding area in my laundry room for at least 3 days before I put them away. It is a royal PIA to have to do this but it is the safe way to go.
That's good common sense.

[CarolSells]

In the US the ratio of deaths to cases is 6%.


Really. Can you cite a source stating that percentage or did you do the calculations?

[chrisad50]

It is all ridiculous BS anyway. When you pay, you hand them your money and they shove it in a register where it contaminates all the other money... then they hand you change that was handled by somebody else.
No amount of rules are going to prevent you from potential contamination.
This is all just a bunch of crap they're making up to try to defend themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
Here's a better idea, if you feel you are at risk, stay home!
Otherwise go out and do whatever you normally do and forget about it.

[fdpaq0580]

Reading these posts is like watching TV and continually switching between MSNBC and Fox News. Quite amusing.

Don't know what side you embrace and I don't really care as far as this post is concerned.
What I appreciate is that you recognize the debate is like an ideology based competition. It is interesting and would be more amusing if it weren't for the fact that the lives of friends and family could, potentially, be in the balance.
Whichever position you choose, even if we end up on opposite sides, I wish you and yours health and safety.

[wisbad1]

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.
Sue them,call dan

[TooColdNJ]

(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

This is long... don’t shoot the author, just skim.
The correct answer probably should be, “There is no difference.” So what’s my prize? :bigbow:
You can stop reading now.

There’s no direct or clear answer to your somewhat rhetorical question. As you can see, it only elicits opinions. Here’s mine (with a little too much elaboration):

There will always be “rule” breakers. No rules= chaos. In this case the numbers would have continued to increase exponentially If people weren’t social distancing or staying home unless there was an important reason to go out.

If several groups of 6 or 8 people decide to dine together at the same tables in a restaurant with reduced capacity, let’s say 10 tables-6 feet apart, it makes some sense that there would be more of a possibility of getting sick and/or later infecting others. If only two people are sitting at each of the tables, the odds of getting sick or dying would be lower. These precautionary measures in closed environments only lessen the possibility, no guarantees. I’d rather be safe (but not OCD) than sorry.

On the other hand, music in the squares always attracts a greater number of people, so the odds change. There may have been two people in folding chairs on one day, then others throwing caution to the wind on the next day. It typically is a crowded area under normal circumstances.

Unlike a restaurant that has control of measures taken, the squares don’t. It’ll eventually become a “come one, come all” situation. Before it gets to that point, the villages made a decision now to stop the music before it got out of hand and cause more issues that could be avoided. More people would be put at risk by passing it on to others. In that situation, It’s almost impossible to get a large crowd of people to distance themselves from others. TV obviously didn’t want to have to deal with that situation (like closing the pool when they became more crowded) That’s how the two situations differ.

Maybe the villages counts on spying complainers to police these things so they don’t have to. They don’t have the right to start infringing on our personal lives and decisions or blame others who choose not to follow the exact guidelines. Maybe those in fear should stay home. Or, maybe TV is thinking as I am-. Why let it happen and clean up a mess later when it can be avoided in the first place. Crowds will affect us all in some way.

Have you come across the other kinds of wackos(for the lack of a better word) that police wherever they are?? We took our little dog for a walk on the LSL boardwalk, where there were surprisingly a lot of people- all in fairly close proximity to one another- watching an alligator. As we started walking back to our car, still talking about the size of the alligator, the walkway got a little narrower just in that one spot. There there was a woman in that area, leaning against the railing and looking out over the water. Before we even got close enough to pass her, she almost did a Linda Blair 360 as if she had eyes behind her head and saw us approaching. She opened her arms wildly and yelled “5 feet“! We were discussing the alligator, so I was confused. I thought she heard us and was telling us it’s length. I even asked her if that was the size of the alligator. Once again, she repeated her action, yelling 5 feet again! Had she yelled the familiar 6 feet I would’ve immediately understood. I realized her gesture was telling us to walk past her 5 feet away! Maybe she felt powerful and in control and was doing that to anyone who walked by for as long as she was standing in that spot. If not, all she had to do was stay in her own breathing space looking at the water! Taken aback by her mannerisms, I quietly suggested that maybe she should be wearing a mask. With that she quietly flipped us the bird!

[jacksonbrown]

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

Wow! Excellent!

And from your first post.

[Dond1959]

Really. Can you cite a source stating that percentage or did you do the calculations?

United States Coronavirus: 1,523,564 Cases and 90,892 Deaths - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

90,889 deaths with 1,523,544 confirmed cases as of today. That is 5.96%. Can always argue more cases out there and some deaths not from COVID. But right now the best numbers we got.

Also, Edna’s is open with live music. Both sides have good arguments, my take is we need to get the economy open. But we need to be smart and not be stupid. Why anyone would object to wearing a mask in a store to maybe protect themselves and others is beyond me.

[newwillo]

Maybe the dancers were couples..............no problem there.........

[Number 10 GI]

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

If you stay at home how is your health at risk from "irresponsible people"? Just like the 6" social distancing recommendation, the government has recommended we stay at home. Are you not following that recommendation?

[Number 10 GI]

That is not the case for many people. Sheltering in place still has people going to grocery stores, pharmacies, Home Depot and other essential goods establishments. Why should people who wish to remain safe have to huddle in their homes and NEVER EVER leave because of the folks who refuse to social distance or wear a mask when social distancing is not possible?

Even with everyone wearing a mask there is still the chance of infection, reduced maybe, but still a risk. Everything you mentioned can be delivered. If you don't want to be infected don't leave your home.

[Number 10 GI]

In the US the ratio of deaths to cases is 6%.

Your 6% ratio is meaningless. There are a whole lot of people who have had the virus and did not die and in most cases didn't even know they had it. That will make the mortality rate extremely low.

[Number 10 GI]

The plexiglass is to protect the cashier....

That little piece of plexiglass is useless. When you pay you are past the plexiglass but still within 4 feet of the cashier and less between you and the person bagging your groceries. Mental pablum!

[JoMar]

Well at least you’re one of the only people that sort of answered the question. My point is to point out the hypocrisy and the uselessness of the social distancing rules. 66% of the people that got Covid in New York we’re locked down in their houses. Because some so-called experts use the phrase social distancing enough on television, no one ever stop to think whether it made any sense.

I don't know that the uselessness of the rules is the issue, the non enforcement of those busineess's that violate and the population that refuse to follow are the issue. The so called experts, who I believe are the experts since this is their job and they have been doing it for years, can only advise what they believe works. We can accept or reject, we can help each other or put ourselves and others at risk. That has nothing to do with the talking heads on television, political views with their own agends or those that make profound statements after looking in the rear mirror. As I drive around The Villages, go shopping or do take outs it looks like the majority of those out when I am are wearing masks, keeping at least 6' between the next person and are resepectful of the guidance. It's nice to know they care.

[Number 10 GI]

United States Coronavirus: 1,523,564 Cases and 90,892 Deaths - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

90,889 deaths with 1,523,544 confirmed cases as of today. That is 5.96%. Can always argue more cases out there and some deaths not from COVID. But right now the best numbers we got.

Also, Edna’s is open with live music. Both sides have good arguments, my take is we need to get the economy open. But we need to be smart and not be stupid. Why anyone would object to wearing a mask in a store to maybe protect themselves and others is beyond me.

That ratio is based on the number of verified cases of the virus not the total number of people infected which makes the 5.96% meaningless. Would you invest your life savings in something based on the "best number we got". Nothing but fearmongering.

[coffeebean]

It is all ridiculous BS anyway. When you pay, you hand them your money and they shove it in a register where it contaminates all the other money... then they hand you change that was handled by somebody else.
No amount of rules are going to prevent you from potential contamination.
This is all just a bunch of crap they're making up to try to defend themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
Here's a better idea, if you feel you are at risk, stay home!
Otherwise go out and do whatever you normally do and forget about it.

Very important......anytime you are out of your home, DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE so you do not contaminate your eyes, nose or mouth. You can not sanitize the entire world and every surface you touch. Do not touch your face and wash your hands the moment you enter your home. Sanitize the door handles you touch. That will take care of one mode of transmission of this virus.

[Mumbles]

Well, I can point out some hypocrisies in that also. You order your groceries by phone or online. And by the time they get to your house they have been touched by how many people? There is no question there will be more cases reported because we’re doing more testing. The relevant thing is hospitalization and or mortality’s which is dropping drastically. This virus is not a problem to 95% of the people that get it. I agree that we can’t stay locked down forever. That’s not what human beings do. Ask for a vaccine? Not saying I wouldn’t take it but I would wait at least a year to see what kind of issues might arise from it?

Apparently you haven't seenthe handful of people who WANTED to tell us all on the tele that they are NOW suffering very harshly in the lungs, in the kidneys, in the liver, and other organs. Docs on the Doctor station today (5/17) on radio said that about 30% of those who've been hit with the virus will recover their sense of smell and taste; 30+% will get back only half of it permanently, and 30+ % will lose taste and smell ENTIRELY for the rest of their lives. What a bummer that is!

I would be happy to be still alive, but the rubbish left over is nasty.

[NECHFalcon68]

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

Then you should probably not get in a car ever again.

[joseppe]

The reason that we are no longer interested in moving here anymore after 11 years of visiting.

FAR too many “busy bodies” who just can’t mind their own damn business!!!


Sow where are you going to move to? Hate to burst your bubble, but they are EVERYWHERE.

[joseppe]

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

What about Kent State Massacre, Watts Riots, following Pearl Harbor attack .... and there are more instances. Someone convicted of a crime can be restricted to a given location (jail, house arrest). Never is a big word.

[Ramone]

Right On

[pooderpask]

Time to move on and get back to normal