After 7:00 PM play

[Jerry101]

Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...

[davem4616]

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but the first thought that comes to mind is...don't go there after 7pm

[Marvic 1]

I thought this place was intended to be used by Retired-Senior-Citizens.......
Kids! :eek:

[Polar Bear]

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but the first thought that comes to mind is...don't go there after 7pm
Why not? It’s great to putt out after 9 holes just as the sun sets. :)

[timinthevillages]

I would have just jumped ahead of them. Play a similar hole twice if you wanted to post a score.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

From the Good Golf Guide:
• Children under the age of 10 wishing to play golf on The
Villages golf courses must see one of the team professionals at a
championship course for a proficiency approval before playing.
• Spectators under the age of 10 are not permitted.

This is in regards to Executive courses. Also each kid (over 1 year of age) has to have their own ID.

Just because you don't need a t-tiime after 7 doesn't mean you don't still have to abide by the rules. If your kid can't prove proficiency (meaning - that 2-year old, who probably has no way to hold the club without smacking someone in the knee), then your kid can't play on the course. And if he can't play, he can't be there either, since spectators under 10 aren't allowed.

The Villages Golf CAN do something about it - there are golfers out there after 7, who t-ed off before 7, and the ambassadors are still driving around. They can absolutely ask that the children leave the course.

[anothersteve]

Old Gramps "should have" known better. I don't really understand how you knew it was a "son and daughter in law" though.
Steve

[RARO1]

I’m down here visiting the in-laws, my father in law is getting back into golf after a long hiatus and we had booked a tee time at march bend this morning to get him back into it.

When we went to check in we were told that we couldn’t play because guest passes are not allowed on courses right now.there was no mention of it during the automated tee time booking process.

is there an unwritten rule that resident and their guest can play after 7pm without a tee time? Would love to play a few holes with him before we leave, but I don’t want to get him in trouble on his first round...

[CWGUY]

I’m down here visiting the in-laws, my father in law is getting back into golf after a long hiatus and we had booked a tee time at march bend this morning to get him back into it.

When we went to check in we were told that we couldn’t play because guest passes are not allowed on courses right now.there was no mention of it during the automated tee time booking process.

is there an unwritten rule that resident and their guest can play after 7pm without a tee time? Would love to play a few holes with him before we leave, but I don’t want to get him in trouble on his first round... Sorry..... can't play at anytime.

:ho: The info. is out there...... From the District Web Site -

Executive Golf Updates – UPDATED 05/05/2020

As Golf is an independent sport and continues to remain open, there are several modifications that remain in place to continue to prevent the further spread of COVID-19. Cash is no longer accepted for payment of daily trail fees when playing golf on the Executive Golf Courses. Trail Fees must be paid in advance via telephone with a credit card.
A new temporary monthly flat fee of $ 20.00 per month for Trail Fees is available to accommodate what used to be daily cash trail fee golfers. If you have already paid your 6-month or yearly trail fees, you do not need to make an additional payment.
To pay your Executive Trail Fees over the phone, please call the District Customer Service Center Monday – Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. at (352) 753-4508 or contact any Regional Recreation Center from 8:30 a.m. to 4 p.m.-
Paradise - 753-0637
La Hacienda - 753-1716
Savannah Center - 750-6084
Mulberry Grove - 259-6040
Laurel Manor - 751-7110
Lake Miona - 430-2950
Colony Cottage - 750-1935
Sea Breeze - 750-2488
Eisenhower - 674-8390
Rohan - 674-8400
Fenney - 674-8460
Everglades - 674-8434
To pay on the weekends, please contact the following Regional Recreation Centers from 8:30 a.m. to noon:
La Hacienda - 753-1716
Lake Miona - 430-2950
Eisenhower - 674-8390
Rohan - 674-8400
Everglades - 674-8434
Golf courses are now open for normal operating hours.
Golfers still have the ability to play by walking with a pull cart or carrying their own bag.
Only single riders in golf cars are permitted unless the individuals are cohabitating in the same home.
In addition to the changes in trail fee transactions, guests are temporarily not permitted to golf. Eliminating all money transactions at the Starter Shacks provide for enhanced protection as we all make extra allowances to fight the spread of COVID-19. Please note that this will not impact the ability for residents (owners, non-owners or renters) to play. This only impacts those guests with a Guest ID that normally pay a guest rate to play golf.

This is all part of the COVID-19 District Action Plan. Sorry no one called and asked first.

[photo1902]

Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...

When was your tee time?

[CWGUY]

When was your tee time?

:shocked: Last tee time is 6:53 p.m. :popcorn:

[Jayhawk]

is there an unwritten rule that resident and their guest can play after 7pm without a tee time? Would love to play a few holes with him before we leave, but I don’t want to get him in trouble on his first round...

https://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/GoodGolfGuide.pdf?v=032917


No. People who jump on the courses without an approved tee time are violating the rules. It is an "entitlement" behavior.

You can't check-in without a starter, and that is a requirement to play any course.

* At the executive courses you must check-in with
the Starter. During check-in you will confirm that your
group is playing at the correct course at the designated
tee time and pay any applicable fees.
* At the championship golf courses you must
report to the golf shop for registration before proceeding
to the Starter.

[Jayhawk]

I would have just jumped ahead of them. Play a similar hole twice if you wanted to post a score.

Then you all would have been rule-breakers, not just Gramps and the tribe.

Read the Good Golf Guide.

[RARO1]

Thanks for all the replies, I went through the automatic phone system the night before and it was accepting “**” for visitor players, and I didn’t hear any message at the beginning about the restrictions.

We checked in with the starter and that’s when we were told, we did not and never considered trying to sneak onto a course.

We found it pretty funny and counterintuitive that after we got turned away at march bend, the starter suggested we could go down to the Fenney putting greens, where there were plenty of people playing, then the Lopez driving range were we were much closer to others than if we had played a round, and then finished off the day at the neighborhood pool with other villagers around without breaking any rules.

[photo1902]

Thanks for all the replies, I went through the automatic phone system the night before and it was accepting “**” for visitor players, and I didn’t hear any message at the beginning about the restrictions.

We checked in with the starter and that’s when we were told, we did not and never considered trying to sneak onto a course.

We found it pretty funny and counterintuitive that after we got turned away at march bend, the starter suggested we could go down to the Fenney putting greens, where there were plenty of people playing, then the Lopez driving range were we were much closer to others than if we had played a round, and then finished off the day at the neighborhood pool with other villagers around without breaking any rules.

So you went from Marsh Bend, to Fenney, then Lopez? Wow! That’s a lot of miles.

[RARO1]

So you went from Marsh Bend, to Fenney, then Lopez? Wow! That’s a lot of miles.

Yeah I know, in laws live in the village of Woodbury, we both haven’t played for years so we have been going to the Lopez range to knock the rust off.

we haven’t got proficient enough with our longer woods and irons so we though the pitch and putt would be good start so we don’t annoy and hold up people behind us.

[RARO1]

So you went from Marsh Bend, to Fenney, then Lopez? Wow! That’s a lot of miles.

In-laws live in village of Woodbury, so the Lopez range and practice green is close by, that’s where we have been hitting balls for a few days now.

We don’t feel proficient enough with our driver and long irons without some lessons, so we figured the pitch and putt would be good so we don’t annoy or hold up others, hens the long trip to march bend.

[thevillages2013]

RARO1 you can play at a championship course on a guest pass. You and your father-in-law can play only 9 if you want

[Leadbone1]

Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...

I think it’s great that you got to see a family having a good time with each other. Would’ve been too much trouble for you to just go to the second tee? Get over it!

[banjobob]

Just another "privileged " Villager.

[Rwirish]

They need to be thrown off the course. It isn’t a playground.

[Leadbone1]

They need to be thrown off the course. It isn’t a playground.

It’s whatever they want it to be after 7 o’clock. you’re not in charge. Thankfully

[Grill Meister]

I was once a starter on Truman/Roosevelt as well as an ambassador and a starter at Sandhill. We had a chronic violator bring his grandson to the courses after the starter shack was closed and the ambassador had left. I made it a practice to stay late and confront the gentleman and asked him for his ID so I could check to see if his trail fee was paid and charge him a visitor tee time fee for his grandson. He left.......didn't see him again after that.

[Linda Taranto]

Another place for cameras!

[Marathon Man]

It’s whatever they want it to be after 7 o’clock. you’re not in charge. Thankfully

Nope. Not even close. Lots of people like to say lots of things on here. Lots of it not true.

[Jayhawk]

It’s whatever they want it to be after 7 o’clock. you’re not in charge. Thankfully

You could not be more WRONG. Read the rules then maybe you will understand. It's not a walking trail, playground, picnic spot. It's a golf course, and you MUST have a tee time and you MUST check-in with a starter.

[kendi]

[QUOTE=Jerry101;1770254]Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...[/QUO

First thing that comes to my mind - Bet nice memories are being made for that family. A joy to see.

[Bogie Shooter]

It’s whatever they want it to be after 7 o’clock. you’re not in charge. Thankfully

Nope. Not even close. Lots of people like to say lots of things on here. Lots of it not true.

:thumbup:

[croughwell]

Thoughts? Thoughts?
Just find a different course!

[mk1126]

My wife and I used to almost always (Pre-Corona) reserve the last time at nearby 'executive courses', usually Sarasota. Even though we were the 'last Tee' and then the 'starter shack' would then close down, almost every time someone, or others, would show up on the tees after us. And they, if they were right behind us and thought that we weren't playing up to their 'one golfer' speed, would seem to be glaring down freeway at us if we could espy them. Never understood how they got away with this. Also, it also gave, their guest if they were along, free golfing!

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Jerry101;1770254]Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...[/QUO

First thing that comes to my mind - Bet nice memories are being made for that family. A joy to see.

What if the greens were damaged? The family was breaking the rules.

[croughwell]

And paying trail fees is significant why for access to a closed course at 7pm?

[Jayhawk]

Thoughts? Thoughts?
Just find a different course!

NO!

Make a tee time for when you CAN make it on-time.

Why do so many who came here knowing the rules want to constantly change or ignore those same rules?

Get yourself another hobby to replace chronic complaining about (or trying to circumvent) policies and rules.

[remarks006]

Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...
You hope grandpa taught golf rules to the grandkids, there is a golf seminar children under 12 are suppose to attend before getting on the course, not many rules enforced ever , never mind after 7:00

[RARO1]

RARO1 you can play at a championship course on a guest pass. You and your father-in-law can play only 9 if you want

Thanks for your suggestions, we have both not played for years and just spent a few days at the Lopez range and practice green knocking the rust off, we don’t feel comfortable with our drivers, hybrids and longer irons so we don’t want to hold up, slow down, annoy others or damage a nice champ course, that’s why I thought the pitch and putt would be a perfect start.

[EviesGP]

As an Ambassador/Starter(i.e. outside staff), I can tell you that it does happen all the time. Most people know they can wait for our flag to be taken down(i.e. close shop), and out they go! Post COVID, we stayed on the courses after closing, to prevent such. But, that changed. The District(which runs Execs), opted to discontinue the practice, so it's back to normal. Not much can be done, lest you contacted Golf Mgmt, and were able to identify the people. You could also try Community Watch, to see if they'd come out? Like others, I respect grandparents wanting to have those moments with their young ones. But, sometimes that could involve damage to greens, etc? Guests are still not allowed(due to no cash-handling/no credit card machines on Execs north of 44), and young children are never allowed. But, I'm sure those people knew that, which is why they showed up when they did. Sorry.

[Jacob85]

I actually like to go play at that time especially when hot so want to be able to still do that but you are correct that apparently someone took advantage of being able to do that.

[jimlambert]

Yes. Go around them and let them enjoy. And if it’s so important to you that you play 9 holes there’s another course just across the road.

[Jerry101]

Old Gramps "should have" known better. I don't really understand how you knew it was a "son and daughter in law" though.
Steve

... it’s called an ‘educated guess’ and has nothing to do with the post! In my original post, I never mentioned that I was playing that night! My wife and I drive that tree-lined path often on our way to & from Lake Sumpter Landing. It was on that trip that I noticed the ‘family’.

[Jerry101]

:shocked: Last tee time is 6:53 p.m. :popcorn:

... where does it state that I was planning to play that night???

[Jayhawk]

... where does it state that I was planning to play that night???

You rolled by at 7:02 and again at 7:40, making for a very quick trip to LSL for you and the wife. I think you can see where it appears you were wanting to play.

[Jayhawk]

I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...

I guess we should have known you only wanted "thoughts" from those who agree with you.

[Jerry101]

And paying trail fees is significant why for access to a closed course at 7pm?

... because I play many days ... morning ... noon ... and night!!!

[CWGUY]

Just another "privileged " Villager.

:icon_wink: I would normally agree with that but..... I think i'm seeing more and more uninformed Villagers. :ho:

[Jayhawk]

Because of a part time job sometimes I can’t get to a course until 7pm. I have annual trail fees. Last Wednesday (5/20) I drove up to Saddlebrook at 7:02pm. On the 1st tee there were ‘grandpa’, son & daughter-in-law and 4-5 kids ranging from 3-7 each with a club in their hand. I didn’t say anything. I’m not about to confront grandpa, though he obviously had to know better. I left and rolled past again at 7:40p. All of the children were on the 3rd green running around and back & forth to the 2 carts on the path! I called the next day. I knew what the answer would be. ‘Not much we can do after 7pm’. Thoughts ...

So not only did you KNOW Grandpa knew better, you reported him the next day. Did you mention that his transgression caused you to not be able to break the rules, too?

Yes, you clearly intended to play. Be a sport and admit it.



Pot, meet kettle.

[CWGUY]

You hope grandpa taught golf rules to the grandkids, there is a golf seminar children under 12 are suppose to attend before getting on the course, not many rules enforced ever , never mind after 7:00

:shrug: Well the way I see it he 1.) Didn't have a clue 2.) Taught them the 1st. rule is you don't have to follow the rules. I would like to think he didn't know. :ho:

[anothersteve]

... it’s called an ‘educated guess’ and has nothing to do with the post!

... where does it state that I was planning to play that night???

It's called an educated guess :)
Steve

[Marathon Man]

... because I play many days ... morning ... noon ... and night!!!

But on 4/8/2020 you stated that you only play at 6:30 and try to play alone because of the virus. You mention paying trail fees in that post as well. It seems that you are making a case that payment of trail fees allows you to play after hours.

[Bosoxfan]

I find this to be amusing. First off if you were going to play at 7:02 you would be breaking the rules .Second try living on a golf course where everything..riding bikes, walking dogs, walkers, runners, site seeing golf cart trips are happening from dusk to well after dark. Everyone who does this is trespassing but they are the privileged and know that no one will do anything about it.Lastly I opened a similar post and it was closed prematurely. So thank you for starting another similar thread. Oh and I've talked to Community watch they told me to get in touch with Community standards who told me to get in touch with the particular golf course I am living on .I stopped at the starter shack and they said in not so many words good luck ! So good luck!!

One last thing .My 87 year old Dad has been here since September. He usually goes back to Massachusetts around Easter. With this pandemic he can't go back to Massachusetts without risking his health so he's still here. He can't play executive golf because he's a guest. Guests aren't allowed so why would grandpa and his grandchildren be "allowed"

[Jerry101]

You rolled by at 7:02 and again at 7:40, making for a very quick trip to LSL for you and the wife. I think you can see where it appears you were wanting to play.

... no wrong again!!! ... bad idea to draw conclusions that aren’t there!

[Jerry101]

It's called an educated guess :)
Steve

... if it’s’pass/fail’ ... you fail!

[Jayhawk]

... no wrong again!!! ... bad idea to draw conclusions that aren’t there!

You're the one who said you were just passing by with your wife, down the tree-lined lane on the way to LSL. And you listed the times.

That's the problem with fibs - tough to keep them all straight.

[Jayhawk]

... it’s called an ‘educated guess’ and has nothing to do with the post! In my original post, I never mentioned that I was playing that night! My wife and I drive that tree-lined path often on our way to & from Lake Sumpter Landing. It was on that trip that I noticed the ‘family’.

This one.

[Jayhawk]

One last thing .My 87 year old Dad has been here since September. He usually goes back to Massachusetts around Easter. With this pandemic he can't go back to Massachusetts without risking his health so he's still here. He can't play executive golf because he's a guest. Guests aren't allowed so why would grandpa and his grandchildren be "allowed"

I thought guests were limited to 30 days per year. How does a guest stay for 9 months and play golf (pre-COVID)?

[Shyer]

Seen some at Silver lake a few months show. 3 carts. grandma, son, daughter in-law, 3 grade school age kids. Kids were playing too. In the morning. Starter said it was a birthday party. We skipped second hole. (Starter said it would be okay) I don’t believe grandma played the rest of them did. All over the place.

[Jerry101]

NO!

Make a tee time for when you CAN make it on-time.

Why do so many who came here knowing the rules want to constantly change or ignore those same rules?

Get yourself another hobby to replace chronic complaining about (or trying to circumvent) policies and rules.

Does your comment have anything to do with my original post? I’d guess not.

[Jerry101]

I think it’s great that you got to see a family having a good time with each other. Would’ve been too much trouble for you to just go to the second tee? Get over it!

Duh. I didn’t play. It was an observation! I love families and kids. An executive course at any time is not a place for them. I did not bother them! I am going to guess... just a guess now ... that the senior male adult is a Villager. He should have known better!

[ONTAP15]

They need to be thrown off the course. It isn’t a playground.
I thought this was "Florida's friendliest home town" Doesn't sound very friendly to me.

[Jerry101]

I guess we should have known you only wanted "thoughts" from those who agree with you.

I do know that children that age are never allowed on golf courses here. It is the 1st time I saw such a blatant disregard for ‘the rules’. That is the point I was making. You are the one who seems to want to argue about everything! By the way I am a former starter/ambassador. It is very common for golfers to walk on the course after the last tee time. If ambassadors are still on the course they can stop the player, get the players name & Id. Then if the player hasn’t paid for trail fees then will be contacted. The golf courses close at dusk!

[Bosoxfan]

I thought guests were limited to 30 days per year. How does a guest stay for 9 months and play golf (pre-COVID)?

You are correct but that's for people under 19 only..people over 19 can get a new 30 day guest pass every month ..no limit

[Jayhawk]

You are correct but that's for people under 19 only..people over 19 can get a new 30 day guest pass every month ..no limit

Thanks. Good info.

But don't tell my in-laws.

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