Stop by the Arnold Palmer Country Club Restaurant for a Corona

[Advogado]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

[thelegges]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

So which attorney have you put on speed dial

[CWGUY]

So which attorney have you put on speed dial

He's an attorney! :1rotfl: (Portuguese)

[gatorbill1]

Will walk out of any restaurant that servers do not have masks on. Don't care what one

[Advogado]

So which attorney have you put on speed dial

My estate will not need one because there is no way that I will be dining there unless and until the management shows enough concern about its staff and patrons to have its staff mask up.

[Advogado]

He's an attorney! :1rotfl: (Portuguese)


In my real life, I was an attorney. I still remember enough law to know that a restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only socially irresponsible, it is running a significant liability risk.

In fact, if you follow the news closely, you will see that businesses are lobbying for liability protection if they reopen. Google "Covid-19 liability risk". A restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only threatening the lives of its customers and employees, it it being just plain stupid in risking liability.

[Marathon Man]

Maybe you could go in and have a beer. Then take them to court for wrecklessly endangering your life.

[anothersteve]

You would think a lawyer would state his case to be a little more believable. If I was on a jury and had to pass verdict on that post alone, It would be a Palmer not guilty.
Steve

[Advogado]

You would think a lawyer would state his case to be a little more believable. If I was on a jury and had to pass verdict on that post alone, It would be a Palmer not guilty.
Steve

Steve, you would not make it to the jury. Welcome to the real world.

[anothersteve]

Steve, you would not make it to the jury. Welcome to the real world.

Ouch! That hurt. :ohdear:

Steve

[EdFNJ]

Was at Fresh Market yesterday buying ribs ($3.99 lb!!! :) ) and all 3 employees in the meat department were wearing masks but they were all pulled down onto their top lip. That is in a store that "requires" masks to be worn by customers.

[Advogado]

Was at Fresh Market yesterday buying ribs ($3.99 lb!!! :) ) and all 3 employees in the meat department were wearing masks but they were all pulled down onto their top lip. That is in a store that "requires" masks to be worn by customers.
Yeah. Despite almost 100,000 deaths in this country alone, Villagers being in the high-risk-of-death category, and the number of deaths rising, many local businesses (and a few posters on this site) still have a cavalier attitude about common-sense ways to mitigate the spread.

[thelegges]

Yeah. Despite almost 100,000 deaths in this country alone, Villagers being in the high-risk-of-death category, and the number of deaths rising, many local businesses (and a few posters on this site) still have a cavalier attitude about common-sense ways to mitigate the spread.

But how many deaths have there been in TV from Covid? Not everyone here is in the high risk of death. Some still die of old age, cancer, MI, or auto accident. Can’t blame Covid on those deaths, well some might.

UF hasn’t had a new case in almost 4 weeks.

Before you speak of cavalier attitude, there are those on this site who are risking their own lives, that don’t have the time to worry about things they cannot change. They do not have time to be in fear, some may think that’s a cavalier lifestyle, others say it’s a calling

[photo1902]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

So you had on a mask of course, right?

[billethkid]

And what did the manager say when you told him your concern for their operation?

[Timothyimitchell]

99.84% survival rate. Open everything up and get back to living now!

[JFPLYMOUTH]

If you dont like their new standards...just dont go. Money usually talks. For those that are less afraid...more room for them to social distance themselves while there.

[Garwood1]

How about if you give the virus to a server , they are the ones at risk , you going to be liable ?

[allus70]

The mortality rate is about 1.3%
Do the math.....1.3% of 328,000,000
A 1% mortality rate means it is 10-times more lethal than the seasonal flu

[golfing eagles]

In my real life, I was an attorney. I still remember enough law to know that a restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only socially irresponsible, it is running a significant liability risk.

In fact, if you follow the news closely, you will see that businesses are lobbying for liability protection if they reopen. Google "Covid-19 liability risk". A restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only threatening the lives of its customers and employees, it it being just plain stupid in risking liability.

How about if you give the virus to a server , they are the ones at risk , you going to be liable ?

As an attorney, I'm sure you realize that proving one specific potential exposure by a preponderance of the evidence is probably impossible given the numerous potential exposures every day. Likewise, it would be impossible to single out a single customer that transmitted the virus to a server.
Just be picky during voir dire, you wouldn't want me empaneled on THAT jury:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.


Don't worry.................there is plenty of coverage, the value of an old person is quite low. :MOJE_whot:

[Viperguy]

Time for tort reform.

[Timothyimitchell]

The mortality rate is about 1.3%
Do the math.....1.3% of 328,000,000
A 1% mortality rate means it is 10-times more lethal than the seasonal flu

50 % of those cover deaths, are NOT cover deaths. Stop watching CNN. Open up this country or we will not have a country.

[Leadbone1]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

What a ridiculous post! I personally don’t like it when the servers have masks on. First of all the masks that 99% of people have on are useless. I would prefer to just have a clean looking server that was good at their job. Also, if you ever did get coronavirus how could you ever prove that you got it from a server at Palmer? Ridiculous. I am so sick of the paranoia that I hear out here daily. Just stay home!

[Dana1963]

I agree 100% just irresponsible. I would just leave too, thank you for informing us.

[Leadbone1]

99.84% survival rate. Open everything up and get back to living now!

Thank you! I am so sick of the overreaction to all of this. Never thought I would see the people of this country give up their rights and become paranoid so easily

[Rwirish]

The mask police.

[DrBrutyle109]

If you don’t like the setup...... don’t go in

[Ginpappas]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

I went there and no masks and no social distancing (Social Responsibility) and so I won't be back either. That is all I can do is support the places that are taking my health seriously and if that sounds paranoid I'm ok with that

[woderfulwendy1]

Go somewhere else for a Corona.

[Bay Kid]

Trolls are everywhere.

[msilagy]

Many people don't know this but Palmer's outdoor restaurant seating was going strong all during the shut down of restaurants. I know several people that went there, ate on the patio with servers. It was touted as the place to go during the shutdown.

[jeffy]

Such hateful responses on all sides ☹️. Some people believe it is just common courtesy to wear a mask , others don’t. Just as in religion or politics, you won’t change someone’s mind because they know the “truth”.

Friendliest Hometown......

[Bethwill]

Disagree with the lawsuit part. The patron can CHOOSE not to dine there, so they are accepting risk by going there.

[chuckpedrey]

I just searched the wed for virus data in Sumter County and found a chart that shows that as of May 20 there were 253 reported cases of COVID-19 in Sumter County and 19 deaths

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

Just don’t go! You have a choice but you can not force others to do what you think is best!

[riamd1954]

Oh stop the nonsense if you we’re going to get you already would !!

[Advogado]

The following is a quote from Dr. Shanti Akers, MD, who treats COVID-19 patients. The posters here who denigrate the importance of wearing masks to protect other people (and to some extent themselves) and to help stop the spread of the virus might want to reflect on it.

“Not wearing a mask is a sign of your privilege. It means that, even in a pandemic, with thousands of people dying, you have not been touched by sorrow. Trust me, if you had actually seen Covid-19 in action, ravaging the human body, you’d be wearing the damn mask.”

[moe1212]

I wonder what out country would be like if all of our incredible veterans had decided to stay home and play it safe instead of fighting for out FREEDOM

[remarks006]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.
The idiots are everywhere, most Villagers seem to be considerate of keeping us all a little healthier, but the ones that don’t care seem to gather in the same spots, it makes it look bad when people don’t care , unfortunately it won’t convince some until it hits home , and a friend or relative catches the Virus.
Remember , we may be the Friendliest Villages , but not the SMARTEST😔

[greenflash245]

doubt the liability cover you mention would cover this situation.

[greenflash245]

suit would be civil. their c g l cover won't be available for this scenario

[merrymini]

Stay home and be safe! Allow Palmer to go out of business like a lot of other businesses because they cannot make money if you stay home! But you will be safe! Listen to experts who change their opinions every ten minutes about masks and such while our freedoms are removed by a bunch of political tyrants and newspeople at CNN who seem to know nothing! But you will be safe! I have had it with the brainwash and I want FREEDOM!

[Jacob85]

You are right! The attitude of some of the people here is amazing because most of them are high risk. I think they are hoping if they ignore it., it will go away or they didn’t believe it was here in the first place. They argue about the correctness of the numbers who have died as if a few here and there make the difference!

[Ronaldc]

Havana last night same thing. Masks under nose and glasses handled on the rim no gloves. Arm chairs on seats not cleaned and credit cards pens handled with no gloves.

[xkeowner]

I just searched the wed for virus data in Sumter County and found a chart that shows that as of May 20 there were 253 reported cases of COVID-19 in Sumter County and 19 deaths

If you look a little deeper into the data you will find that as of May 24 there are still 253 cases reported in Sumter County. The last case reported by a person 60 or older was on May 15.

Additionally I have been monitoring my zip code, 32162, and the last reported case in that zip code was Apr 29.

I rely on facts not generalities.

[rmd2]

If you look a little deeper into the data you will find that as of May 24 there are still 253 cases reported in Sumter County. The last case reported by a person 60 or older was on May 15.

Additionally I have been monitoring my zip code, 32162, and the last reported case in that zip code was Apr 29.

I rely on facts not generalities.

I didn't know we could find out by zip code. Can you tell me where I can get that information? Thanks.

[EdFNJ]

I have had it with the brainwash and I want FREEDOM! You have FREEDOM or you wouldn't be able to post such silly unsubstantiated comments. "Brainwashed" LOL, because it's not something you agree with (rightly or wrongly) others that don't agree are "brainwashed?" Maybe those who think others are "brainwashed" are simply LEMMINGS following each other over the cliff? It works both ways. ;)

[EdFNJ]

50 % of those cover deaths, are NOT cover deaths. Stop watching CNN. Open up this country or we will not have a country. :1rotfl: I would love you to confirm that absurd statistic with actual facts and It's COVID not COVER.

[xkeowner]

I didn't know we could find out by zip code. Can you tell me where I can get that information? Thanks.

The State of Florida Health Department webpage "Floridahealth dot com" then go to the Covid dashboard. Several tabs at the bottom of the page and one is cases by zip code. As far as I know there is no page that shows the date of the last case by zip code but I know that date for 32162 because I have been tracking it daily since Mar 16, 2020.

[Fenster]

99.84% survival rate. Open everything up and get back to living now!

Put on CNN at any time and you will see the number of cases and the number of deaths. Right now, the 5.9 percent of those Infected die. Then consider that any of the persons who have the disease but have not yet died may still die from it within the month or so.

Your math seems to include the total population, most of which have been SMART enough to go to great lengths to avoid the disease. You’re considering the mortality rate.

Then consider that most of the people here are at a much greater risk than the general population.

[Barefoot]

Open everything up and get back to living now!I agree we should get back to living; but carefully, with masks and social distancing.

[Barefoot]

Stay home and be safe! Allow Palmer to go out of business like a lot of other businesses because they cannot make money if you stay home! But you will be safe!:agree:

[Barefoot]

I am so sick of the overreaction to all of this.Please wear a mask and practice social distancing.
I don't think it's an overreaction to Covid-19, which can kill you.

[fdpaq0580]

:1rotfl: I would love you to confirm that absurd statistic with actual facts and It's COVID not COVER.

While I may not agree with EdFNJ, I will defend the errors you pointed out.
I use a tablet that seldom has more than 2 bars and often only 1 bar when the weather is less than perfect. I often am surprised when I see my post after I've sent it and realize how often errors end up in it. I proof read and correct, but somehow, my spell checker and/or alternate word selector have made their own changes after I hit the "send" key. Poor connectivity, poor data transfer results in many errors. I've had portions of my post/reply missing. I try to forgive spelling errors and chalk it up to poor data transfer or crazy apps (like Google taking me 1/2 mile down a rocky dirt road to save me going 100 extra yards on the highway).

[drrichard]

I wonder what out country would be like if all of our incredible veterans had decided to stay home and play it safe instead of fighting for out FREEDOM
What a nonsensical remark!

[ngbweb]

And what did the manager say when you told him your concern for their operation?
The manager said it was "up to the employees"

[drrichard]

:agree:
So I should risk my life to keep Arnold Palmer Restaurant in business! UNBELIEVABLE!

[Barefoot]

So I should risk my life to keep Arnold Palmer Restaurant in business! UNBELIEVABLE!I was agreeing with the post that said stay home, stay safe, and allow Arnold Palmers to go out of business.

[thelegges]

If you look a little deeper into the data you will find that as of May 24 there are still 253 cases reported in Sumter County. The last case reported by a person 60 or older was on May 15.

Additionally I have been monitoring my zip code, 32162, and the last reported case in that zip code was Apr 29.

I rely on facts not generalities.

Don’t forget The fact that Sumter numbers include the prison

[jimjamuser]

What a ridiculous post! I personally don’t like it when the servers have masks on. First of all the masks that 99% of people have on are useless. I would prefer to just have a clean looking server that was good at their job. Also, if you ever did get coronavirus how could you ever prove that you got it from a server at Palmer? Ridiculous. I am so sick of the paranoia that I hear out here daily. Just stay home!
Masks ARE effective, even cloth masks. Tests show that when speaking, droplets travel 6ft. With a cloth mask on droplet-spread is reduced to 2 ft. That IS very effective. I have seen the video on TV.

[Advogado]

The manager said it was "up to the employees"

So, according to the manager, it is okay to have unmasked employees walking around from table to table spreading COVID-19. Unbelievably stupid, irresponsible, and inconsiderate of the welfare of both the patrons and of the servers themselves.

[Advogado]

I notice that several posters say that they are willing to assume the risk of contracting COVID-19 at the Arnold Palmer restaurant. What a callous, narcissistic, irresponsible attitude!

To them I say: This issue is not just about you. It is about the welfare of other people as well, and you may responsible for some of their deaths or illnesses because of your irresponsible actions. Didn't you learn about basic morality from your parents, your teachers, or your church?

[wnoran]

Even Dr Fauchi at onset in the US said that masks were not needed. There is alot we still don't know.

[Advogado]

Even Dr Fauchi at onset in the US said that masks were not needed. There is alot we still don't know.
Please fact check before posting: Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/)

[Mumbles]

But how many deaths have there been in TV from Covid? Not everyone here is in the high risk of death. Some still die of old age, cancer, MI, or auto accident. Can’t blame Covid on those deaths, well some might.

UF hasn’t had a new case in almost 4 weeks.

Before you speak of cavalier attitude, there are those on this site who are risking their own lives, that don’t have the time to worry about things they cannot change. They do not have time to be in fear, some may think that’s a cavalier lifestyle, others say it’s a calling

I wouldn't know why they have NO TIME TO WORRY about their human life. Seems unusual for a human being to approach possible suicide so calmly. Key word is not CAVALIER but SUICIDE.

Those of us who continue to live may have chagrin over those that put themselves in harms way at a beautiful beach with a beer bungalow near by and six buddies on either side of him/her. And no face mask. But we shouldn't be overly concerned if they have cast their faith to the winds. People have every right to commit possible suicide; as we have every right to continue living. Harsh. But true.

[Mumbles]

Please fact check before posting: Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/)

I am so with you on the research you did as listed above. Bravo/a

Have you ever noticed that many people believe the 1st thing they hear, and then later, when that thing turns out to be NO LONGER TRUE to the original speaker, and the authority changes his/her mind, many don't care or won't hear of it. Man, that's a true breakdown of logic and belief.

[Mumbles]

I wonder what out country would be like if all of our incredible veterans had decided to stay home and play it safe instead of fighting for out FREEDOM

Sounds like a very famous statement made, I think, in the 1960s;
WHAT IF THEY GAVE A WAR AND NOBODY CAME?

[Tennisbum]

Good luck proving that one in a court of law......Have you left your home in the last 2 weeks, yes I have but......Nothing further your Honor.

[jimjamuser]

Many people don't know this but Palmer's outdoor restaurant seating was going strong all during the shut down of restaurants. I know several people that went there, ate on the patio with servers. It was touted as the place to go during the shutdown.
That would be wonderful and we would not have to speak of empathy, if older people were invulnerable like supermen and women.

[jimjamuser]

The following is a quote from Dr. Shanti Akers, MD, who treats COVID-19 patients. The posters here who denigrate the importance of wearing masks to protect other people (and to some extent themselves) and to help stop the spread of the virus might want to reflect on it.

“Not wearing a mask is a sign of your privilege. It means that, even in a pandemic, with thousands of people dying, you have not been touched by sorrow. Trust me, if you had actually seen Covid-19 in action, ravaging the human body, you’d be wearing the damn mask.”
Amen, good post!

[jimjamuser]

If you look a little deeper into the data you will find that as of May 24 there are still 253 cases reported in Sumter County. The last case reported by a person 60 or older was on May 15.

Additionally I have been monitoring my zip code, 32162, and the last reported case in that zip code was Apr 29.

I rely on facts not generalities.
Nice to see someone take pride in their automobile.

[jimjamuser]

I wonder what out country would be like if all of our incredible veterans had decided to stay home and play it safe instead of fighting for out FREEDOM
And some are still fighting a war against CV.

[jimjamuser]

Stay home and be safe! Allow Palmer to go out of business like a lot of other businesses because they cannot make money if you stay home! But you will be safe! Listen to experts who change their opinions every ten minutes about masks and such while our freedoms are removed by a bunch of political tyrants and newspeople at CNN who seem to know nothing! But you will be safe! I have had it with the brainwash and I want FREEDOM!
Freedom stops when the seat belt clicks and you have speed limits. Limits prevent anarchy!

[villagerjack]

I just walked by the Palmer Country Club. The course, itself, seems CDC compliant-- even six-foot-apart painted lines by the starter's shack. Then I looked up at the restaurant-- no masks on the servers. So, after safely playing 18 holes, you can stop at the restaurant for a burger, beer, and the COVID-19 virus.

If it can be proved that one of the servers had the virus and a couple of patrons die as a consequence of contracting it there, however much liability insurance the Club has won't be enough.

Send in the SWAT Team.

[jimjamuser]

The State of Florida Health Department webpage "Floridahealth dot com" then go to the Covid dashboard. Several tabs at the bottom of the page and one is cases by zip code. As far as I know there is no page that shows the date of the last case by zip code but I know that date for 32162 because I have been tracking it daily since Mar 16, 2020.
Say undercounting 3 times real fast.

[villagerjack]

In my real life, I was an attorney. I still remember enough law to know that a restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only socially irresponsible, it is running a significant liability risk.

In fact, if you follow the news closely, you will see that businesses are lobbying for liability protection if they reopen. Google "Covid-19 liability risk". A restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only threatening the lives of its customers and employees, it it being just plain stupid in risking liability.

So if someone jumps in front of a train his family can sue the railroad for not having an unclimbable fence! The Trial Lawyers have been chafing at the bit since this began. Look for a barrage of TV ads about Class Action Suits, very soon.

[Advogado]

[=villagerjack;1771121]So if someone jumps in front of a train his family can sue the railroad for not having an unclimbable fence! The Trial Lawyers have been chafing at the bit since this began. Look for a barrage of TV ads about Class Action Suits, very soon.[/QUOTE]


Your analogy is inapplicable, perhaps even silly. When you walk into a restaurant, you don't climb a fence and you expect management to comply with health and safety standards.

However, you are spot on about the likelihood of lawsuits. That was my point. Palmer management is being stupid, in addition to being immoral, when it unnecessarily exposes its patrons and employees to a higher risk of COVID-19 and itself to potential litigation.

BTW, you wonder if a management that cares so little about spreading the COVID-19 cares about other sanitary measures.

[photo1902]

[=villagerjack;1771121]So if someone jumps in front of a train his family can sue the railroad for not having an unclimbable fence! The Trial Lawyers have been chafing at the bit since this began. Look for a barrage of TV ads about Class Action Suits, very soon.


Your analogy is inapplicable, perhaps even silly. When you walk into a restaurant, you don't climb a fence and you expect management to comply with health and safety standards.

However, you are spot on about the likelihood of lawsuits. That was my point. Palmer management is being stupid, in addition to being immoral, when it unnecessarily exposes its patrons and employees to a higher risk of COVID-19 and itself to potential litigation.

BTW, you wonder if a management that cares so little about spreading the COVID-19 cares about other sanitary measures.[/QUOTE]

Good grief. Than stay the H away from this restaurant.

[thelegges]

I wouldn't know why they have NO TIME TO WORRY about their human life. Seems unusual for a human being to approach possible suicide so calmly. Key word is not CAVALIER but SUICIDE.

Those of us who continue to live may have chagrin over those that put themselves in harms way at a beautiful beach with a beer bungalow near by and six buddies on either side of him/her. And no face mask. But we shouldn't be overly concerned if they have cast their faith to the winds. People have every right to commit possible suicide; as we have every right to continue living. Harsh. But true.

I was Speaking Healthcare workers.....including my spouse, my children, and granddaughter, who risk their lives everyday at Covid facility’s, but don’t worry they are not in this state.

Not surprised you thought the words “Put Their Life At Risk” is the public not wearing a mask.
Instead of Healthcare workers.

And no they have zero time to worry about their life, only those of others. So are they in your suicidal group

[Number 10 GI]

Put on CNN at any time and you will see the number of cases and the number of deaths. Right now, the 5.9 percent of those Infected die. Then consider that any of the persons who have the disease but have not yet died may still die from it within the month or so.

Your math seems to include the total population, most of which have been SMART enough to go to great lengths to avoid the disease. You’re considering the mortality rate.

Then consider that most of the people here are at a much greater risk than the general population.

That 5.9% claim means nothing and is only meant to panic people. Maybe 5.9% of the VERFIED infected die but the actual count of infected people is unknown which will dramatically lower the mortality rate. The only important statistic is the total mortality rate.

[pattytracey]

No masks is good healthy people don’t need masks

[Bogie Shooter]

No masks is good healthy people don’t need masks

Source?

[mollyb]

There four days ago for lunch. Sat on shaded patio , good food & service & ALL servers were wearing masks.

[Number 10 GI]

All of you complaining about servers not wearing masks and possibly putting you in jeopardy, have you thought about the servers??? You aren't wearing your mask when you order or eat your meal are you? You are putting the server in the same jeopardy as you claim they put in by them not wearing a mask. OK, OK I got it, you are more important than the servers.

[ts12755]

Masks are not required and I'll only go to a restaurant and pay $50 for drinks and a meal if the employees are not wearing masks.

[xkeowner]

Say undercounting 3 times real fast.

Based upon what source? A statement someone made at the barber shop that his brother-in-laws cousins ex-wife heard at the beauty shop this was false.

WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE FOR VERIFICATION?

[DeanFL]

Will walk out of any restaurant that servers do not have masks on. Don't care what one

TOTALLY agree. We've been out 3 times to restaurants the last 2 weeks, sitting inside, and if they don't follow guidelines ESPECIALLY masks - we're gone and would speak to the mgr.

[thomp679]

But how many deaths have there been in TV from Covid? Not everyone here is in the high risk of death. Some still die of old age, cancer, MI, or auto accident. Can’t blame Covid on those deaths, well some might.

UF hasn’t had a new case in almost 4 weeks.

Before you speak of cavalier attitude, there are those on this site who are risking their own lives, that don’t have the time to worry about things they cannot change. They do not have time to be in fear, some may think that’s a cavalier lifestyle, others say it’s a calling

Well, I classify it as arrogant and unfortunately, your arrogance will kill. This is a sad commentary posted on a holiday that remember those that protected others from harm as you promote action that could cause harm to others.

[EdFNJ]

Even Dr Fauchi at onset in the US said that masks were not needed. There is alot we still don't know. Keywords "AT THE ONSET" (despite the fact it was taken out of context) but he obviously LEARNED FROM THE SCIENCE and changed his mind.

[photo1902]

All of you complaining about servers not wearing masks and possibly putting you in jeopardy, have you thought about the servers??? You aren't wearing your mask when you order or eat your meal are you? You are putting the server in the same jeopardy as you claim they put in by them not wearing a mask. OK, OK I got it, you are more important than the servers.

Excellent point!

I find it hypocritical of people who have no issues dining at a restaurant, of course not wearing masks, yet demand the entire restaurant staff wear masks.

[Chatbrat]

Will try eating out after phase 3 or later, don't want anything on my tombstone, to the tune of "here lies man who had to have a martini @ his favorite bar--he died from covid, not the martini"

[stan the man]

Viva la Arnold Palmer ... love their outlook ...

[Advogado]

Excellent point!

I find it hypocritical of people who have no issues dining at a restaurant, of course not wearing masks, yet demand the entire restaurant staff wear masks.

I think that you would find that most of the people complaining about the irresponsible attitude of Arnold Palmer management do wear masks when they go to a restaurant, taking them off, course, while eating. No one claims that masks are 100% effective in stopping the spread. They clearly are effective in reducing it.

[shut the front door]

50 % of those cover deaths, are NOT cover deaths. Stop watching CNN. Open up this country or we will not have a country.

Not only that, we will never know the true mortality rate due to the people who were never tested and never needed hospitalization. Hundreds of thousands have had it and didn't know it.

[Number 10 GI]

I think that you would find that most of the people complaining about the irresponsible attitude of Arnold Palmer management do you wear masks when they go to a restaurant, taking them off, course, while eating. No one claims that masks are 100% effective in stopping the spread. They clearly are effective in reducing it.

How does that change the fact that the customer is jeopardizing the server's health when they take their mask off when they eat but have no concern for the server's health?

[fdpaq0580]

Mask or no mask? "I'm not sick so I don't need a mask." The debate will go on.
But, I wonder if the name "Mary Mallon" rings a bell? "Typhoid Mary" was an asymptomatic carrier that was responsible for many deaths although claiming she was not sick. She had to be forcibly quarantined, twice, for a total of 26 years.
I wonder just how many "Typhoid Mary's" there are running around with no clue or conscience.
I'm not hiding under my bed, but I will take reasonable precautions, as I see fit, in each situation I encounter and will adjust as information and understanding of this situation improves.
We all want this over, but it is not over yet.

[Barefoot]

No masks is good; healthy people don’t need masksHealthy people wear masks; that's what keeps them healthy!

[golfing eagles]

Healthy people wear masks; that's what keeps them healthy!

Sorry, BF, but the mask doesn't keep YOU healthy. But it may keep those around you from getting the virus, IF you are indoors, and IF you are closer than 6 feet and IF you are coughing/sneezing or spitting your letter "P"'s, and IF you carry the virus in the first place, and IF you can spout out enough of an inoculum that once transferred can infect another person.
A lot of "IF"s. However I wear a mask indoors because 1) overall the use of masks decreases the spread of the virus---not on an individual basis, but when applied to a large population and 2) it makes others feel better.
BTW, you can wait for the viral threat to regress before you pay me the lobster YOU OWE ME!(for 4 years now):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Advogado]

How does that change the fact that the customer is jeopardizing the server's health when they take their mask off when they eat but have no concern for the server's health?

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody says masks are 100% effective. More importantly, when I have my mask off in a restaurant, the server is almost always more than 6' away from me.

[EdFNJ]

How does that change the fact that the customer is jeopardizing the server's health when they take their mask off when they eat but have no concern for the server's health? Your point is correct but then you are making the point for keeping the restaurants closed which is NOT good. ;) The mask on the server protects him somewhat (better than nothing) from the diner and also protects the diner so it's a 75% savings and keeps the place, er, economy open or the other choice where everyone loses is just shut it down. Why have BOTH not wearing it and increase chances for both people of illness. Obviously you can't put food in your mouth with a mask on and you can't do business with diners eating with masks on but you can show concern for your customers (without who you wouldn't be opened) and wear a mask. Always err for the more positive outcome (one person with mask) rather then no one.

So bottom line, Yea, have it your way and have both not wear them. It's only "fair" that both people might just possibly get sick.

[Advogado]

In response to the posters who brag about how they go to the Arnold Palmer restaurant (and other restaurants where the servers are maskless) and refuse to wear masks themselves:

While masks provide the wearer some degree of protection (depending on the type of mask), their main function is to minimize the chance that the wearer infects others. Thus, when you go to the Arnold Palmer restaurant, you are running a significant risk of getting infected from a maskless waiter, who circulates through the restaurant, coming in close contact with hundreds of people a day. You say that is your own business, and a lot of people would agree with you. They might even feel that, if you contract COVID-19 by foolishly patronizing such a restaurant, you got the comeuppance that you deserve.

However, when you go to Arnold Palmer's without a mask, don't you care about the servers and fellow patrons that YOU may be infecting and the other people that they may be reinfecting-- some of whom may well die as a result of your don't-give-a-damn -about-other-people attitude?

Have you ever heard of civic responsibility or just plain human decency?

[jimjamuser]

I think that you would find that most of the people complaining about the irresponsible attitude of Arnold Palmer management do wear masks when they go to a restaurant, taking them off, course, while eating. No one claims that masks are 100% effective in stopping the spread. They clearly are effective in reducing it.
Today a medical expert in a TV interview stated that IF only 60% of the people wore their masks, then CV would be controlled in ONLY 2 weeks. They said that is a "golden ticket" , but people are NOT reaching for it.

[jimjamuser]

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody says masks are 100% effective. More importantly, when I have my mask off in a restaurant, the server is almost always more than 6' away from me.
A medical expert, in a TV interview, stated that IF 60% of the people wore their masks, then in ONLY 2 weeks the CV would be controlled. That was called a "golden ticket", but people are NOT reaching for it.

[NoMoSno]

A medical expert, in a TV interview, stated that IF 60% of the people wore their masks, then in ONLY 2 weeks the CV would be controlled. That was called a "golden ticket", but people are NOT reaching for it.
The "medical experts" from W.H.O. told the world it was NOT spread with human to human contact...:ohdear:

[villagerjack]

You have FREEDOM or you wouldn't be able to post such silly unsubstantiated comments. "Brainwashed" LOL, because it's not something you agree with (rightly or wrongly) others that don't agree are "brainwashed?" Maybe those who think others are "brainwashed" are simply LEMMINGS following each other over the cliff? It works both ways. ;)

66% of hospitalizations are from people who STAYED HOME!!!!

[Advogado]

The "medical experts" from W.H.O. told the world it was NOT spread with human to human contact...:ohdear:
Yeah, and after learning more about the virus, the experts changed their minds. People with any degree of common sense do that.

It is too bad that more governors do not have the political courage to mandate a mask for everyone entering a restaurant or other area where people are in close contact with each other, and, at the same time, speeding up the rate at which businesses can reopen. It seems like we would have a real chance of both getting the disease under control and averting an economic depression.

[Two Bills]

66% of hospitalizations are from people who STAYED HOME!!!!

100% of hospitalisations were from contact with a source of infection.

[Number 10 GI]

Don't be ridiculous. Nobody says masks are 100% effective. More importantly, when I have my mask off in a restaurant, the server is almost always more than 6' away from me.

I'm not claiming masks have any percentage of safety, my point was the hypocrisy by those who were outraged a server didn't wear a mask when they don't wear one in the restaurant either.

[Number 10 GI]

Today a medical expert in a TV interview stated that IF only 60% of the people wore their masks, then CV would be controlled in ONLY 2 weeks. They said that is a "golden ticket" , but people are NOT reaching for it.

Well another "expert" got his 15 seconds of fame. That is the most ridiculous, idiotic and unfounded statement so far in this panic.

[Advogado]

I'm not claiming masks have any percentage of safety, my point was the hypocrisy by those who were outraged a server didn't wear a mask when they don't wear one in the restaurant either.

I agree, that would be hypocrisy, but I doubt very much if anybody complaining about a maskless server would go to a restaurant without wearing a mask.

[Topspinmo]

I wonder what out country would be like if all of our incredible veterans had decided to stay home and play it safe instead of fighting for out FREEDOM

Responsible veterans have no choice. They follow orders.

[Jayhawk]

In my real life, I was an attorney. I still remember enough law to know that a restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only socially irresponsible, it is running a significant liability risk.

In fact, if you follow the news closely, you will see that businesses are lobbying for liability protection if they reopen. Google "Covid-19 liability risk". A restaurant that doesn't have its employees wear masks is not only threatening the lives of its customers and employees, it it being just plain stupid in risking liability.

So you're a Lawyer AND a Doctor?

[Jayhawk]

66% of hospitalizations are from people who STAYED HOME!!!!

78.9% of statistics are made-up.

[stan the man]

enough already--- close --- suppose to be about Arnold Palmer ---Close Thread

[thelegges]

Well, I classify it as arrogant and unfortunately, your arrogance will kill. This is a sad commentary posted on a holiday that remember those that protected others from harm as you promote action that could cause harm to others.

Read post #80
If you would have read all posts which obviously you don’t, you would understand I was speaking of healthcare workers in TV and my immediate family risking their lives everyday.
Your attack would be unfounded if you could actually read posts instead of jumping in to attack a poster with your statement. So sad.

By the way so far my spouse, children, or granddaughter, has NOT tested +. While being exposed for 10 to 16 hours a day.

But if you did, Test +, they would still try to save you. I try to find the good in most especially after NAM, you will be a challenge for me.