Forget just being fired

[ColdNoMore]

There should be a murder charge...pure and simple.

And the other three should be prosecuted as accomplices. :mad:


It happens again (click here) (http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-investigate-death-black-man-131503510.html)

Four Minnesota police officers have been fired after the death of a black man who was taken into custody and seen on video being pinned down by his neck.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said the four officers were now "former employees".

Footage shows the man, George Floyd, groaning and repeatedly saying "I can't breathe" to the white officer.

The incident echoed that of Eric Garner, a black man who died being arrested in New York City in 2014.

[ColdNoMore]

And for those who haven't seen it, here's a man on the ground handcuffed...and posing absolutely no threat.

WARNING, GRAPHIC & SHOULD CAUSE OUTRAGE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

[Fredman]

No excuse for this kind of behavior from the police. Agree with the murder charge.

[retiredguy123]

I wonder about the rioting and looting that is taking place. What is the point of it, and what good does it accomplish, especially the looting of innocent property owners? It seems counterproductive to me. Is it at all helpful?

[ColdNoMore]

I wonder about the rioting and looting that is taking place. What is the point of it, and what good does it accomplish, especially the looting of innocent property owners? It seems counterproductive to me. Is it at all helpful?

I agree, that doesn't accomplish...or change anything.

On the other hand...neither did this.


http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_33/2186641/171011-colin-kaepernick-ac-750p_7f5f471f85191c2220ad161cb8ee7e72.fit-760w.jpg


And the fact that it's been days now with no charges being filed, just adds to the general rage...of the difference in privilege.

Much like the Colonialists...against Britain.


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[GoodLife]

There should be a murder charge...pure and simple.

And the other three should be prosecuted as accomplices. :mad:


It happens again (click here) (http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-investigate-death-black-man-131503510.html)

You're a bit late.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump 6:39 PM · May 27, 2020

At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd.
I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!

[Chatbrat]

The same thing happened in Staten Island a few years a go, the cop was fired, but never charged--however; six minutes on the carotid artery will kill anyone--it is murder pure and simple
once the suspect is cuffed -game over --no need for any addition force or restraint
Good that the feds are on it big time

Back in 2018, a minneapolis police officer shot & killed an Australian woman who knocked on his patrol car window-he was convicted of murder--big difference- victim was white and no rioting

[Dahabs]

I agree, that doesn't accomplish...or change anything.

On the other hand...neither did this.


http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_33/2186641/171011-colin-kaepernick-ac-750p_7f5f471f85191c2220ad161cb8ee7e72.fit-760w.jpg


And the fact that it's been days now with no charges being filed, just adds to the general rage...of the difference in privilege.

Much like the Colonialists...against Britain.


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How many misunderstood the protest (or chose to) as being against the flag and police when it was a statement about inequality and the treatment of minorities.

What happened in Minnesota is horrifying. Those cops should all be charged.

[DanBrew]

We don't know what happened prior to the video. Regardless, charge the cop with murder as that is what he did. If he is acquitted after all the facts are presented, then riot all you want, but I don't understand why the riots now. Cops that abuse their power are exponentially worse than the criminals themselves and there are lots of them out there. That said, if an ahole cop confronts you, you say yes sir and do what he asks.

[David Fletcher]

The real issue is that police in general have developed a culture that has gone a way past law enforcement. The incident in question is due to a NSF check. In most countries a NSF check is a not even a criminal Or police issue. It is a civil issue.

Perhaps the media and every politician need to stop the constant drip of thanking first responders for everything from getting coffee to cleaning a washroom. First responders actually think they are special. They are not, they accepted the job.

The statistics bare out that policing in general is not a high risk job. It is time to change the culture. The quickest way to change a culture is to change the people.

[Jtcoggin@bellsouth.net]

I have not seen the entire video. I will reserve judgement until I get all the facts. I encourage all of you to do the same. In the meantime, please don't riot. So stupid.

[Luvs21putt]

How many misunderstood the protest (or chose to) as being against the flag and police when it was a statement about inequality and the treatment of minorities.

What happened in Minnesota is horrifying. Those cops should all be charged.

And how sad, that no matter how many times we explain it, that you don’t get that there are a million other ways of protesting inequality than kneeling during the anthem. It was most definitely disrespecting the flag which was not necessary to the protest of inequality and highly offensive especially to those who died giving him the right to protest ( well except that he was at his job at the time and his employer had a rule against it and there was was plenty of time and plenty of methods to use in his free time to protest).

Anyway, with regard to the current horrible murder that just happened on video I hope they throw that cop in jail for the rest of his life and he may find out what it’s like to have someone else throw a power trip on him.

[ColdNoMore]

You're a bit late.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump 6:39 PM · May 27, 2020

At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd.
I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!

I'm not "late" in the least.

I thought so the minute I saw the abhorrent video...not almost two days later.

[MandoMan]

And for those who haven't seen it, here's a man on the ground handcuffed...and posing absolutely no threat.

WARNING, GRAPHIC & SHOULD CAUSE OUTRAGE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

Here’s an article from a Minneapolis station. It seems that knee to neck is allowed while subduing someone violent and resisting, but not too hard and not on the trachea and not for long—just enough to gain control. This suspect was controlled (on his belly and cuffed) and could have been put in the car. The officer’s knee was not on the trachea and was not hard enough to prevent the suspect’s talking (it was not the officer’s full weight.) But then the officer kept the knee there, breaking policy. His partners should have stopped him within a few seconds and helped him secure the suspect. And then the officer probably put a lot more weight on the neck. I think immediate firing is appropriate. But I’d like to see how the suspect came to be there on the ground beside the patrol car. Criminal charges? Probably appropriate.

And what about all these protestors destroying things? They are all guilty of crimes, as well, and they should be identified and disciplined, as well.

Experts question officer’s actions | kare11.com (https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/kare-11-investigates-experts-question-officers-actions/89-190fe263-f392-4c10-9308-9dc849a989c7)

[davem4616]

so sad and so unnecessary

[donassaid]

I agree the officers' behavior is indefensible and they should be prosecuted. But here is an interesting perspective. Where was the outrage when members of the Black Lives Matter were executing cops sitting in their cars or when punks in New York City were splashing cops with buckets of water, showing zero respect? Funny, I don't remember white people looting and burning the property of innocent people and merchants in the aftermath. Those who did so in Minnesota are just as guilty and deplorable as these "bad" cops.

[drgoofy]

I can't imagine the frustration they feel. There have been WAY too many killings of unarmed blacks. No one should receive a death sentence for a petty crime or merely suspicion of a petty crime. The completely innocent birdwatcher in Central Park could have met the same fate had he not been prepared with his camera. Those of us with a "white experience" background have no idea! Try to put things in perspective and walk a mile in their shoes.

[Nucky]

Why is the hand of the Cop with the knee on this Mans's neck in his Pocket the entire time he is abusing the man on the ground? What exactly went on before the video we have seen was running? How could 4 Officers allowed this to happen unless something went on that we haven't seen yet?

Just a damned shame no matter what went on that we haven't seen yet. It could have been handled a whole lot better. That poor man and his family and community. Tough times and this makes them shameful also.

[Pamelah]

Not fair to comment until you see the video!

[ColdNoMore]

I can't imagine the frustration they feel. There have been WAY too many killings of unarmed blacks. No one should receive a death sentence for a petty crime or merely suspicion of a petty crime. The completely innocent birdwatcher in Central Park could have met the same fate had he not been prepared with his camera. Those of us with a "white experience" background have no idea! Try to put things in perspective and walk a mile in their shoes.

Absolutely! :mad:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

A lot of people seem to have come to a conclusion after watching a video. haven't we all learned from previous incidents like this that a few minutes of video can be misleading.

I'm not saying that it's not murder and I'm not saying that it is. What I'm saying is that I prefer to wait for an investigation and a trial before I post opinions that I will conclude one way or another that something is purely and simple.

The president has launched and investigation into this and hopefully we'll find out exactly what happened. But that is still not enough for some people that hate this president no matter what he does.

[bmit16]

Most people do not understand the way prosecuting police officers work. It is not as cut and dry as you would like. I am sure these officer's will be charged, however the process is a little different than filing charges on the general public. This despite what the media shows a lot of the time as a slam dunk case. The complicated issues that are involved in making an arrest and the protections the officers enjoy in order to do their jobs makes the investigation a little more complicated. Sometimes, what appears to be excessive ends up being completely legal when all the evidence is presented due to those protections afforded them to make an arrest and protect the public and themselves. These investigations take a little more time to determine if laws and policies were violated or not. Now, with that said, I feel like after doing many of these investigations, that there will be charges filed against these officers. Often these investigations have to be presented to a grand jury before charges are placed and that can take up to 6 weeks. Be patient people and let the many great police officers due their job to bring the bad apples to justice. Right now, it appears that any and every officer they have, is protecting the city from violence and can not put resources into the investigation until this violence is under control.

[graciegirl]

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[ColdNoMore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o

[Dkay718]

Nothing the victim did deserves being killed. Period.

[nututv]

Just curious? What's the story on the dead guy? Why was he in cuffs, does he have a rap sheet, has he been thru the system before?

[Leslie peikin]

The four officers were not suspended, they were fired! The entire incident must not have been favorable in the whole recording.

[ColdNoMore]

Nothing the victim did deserves being killed. Period.

Sadistically and purposely killed. :mad:

[graciegirl]

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[thenoits]

Absolutely nothing! It so senseless and punishes those that provide services to those that need them in their neighborhoods. The officers should be arrested and punished. The protesters should be peaceful and those that destroy and loot should be arrested and prosecuted.

[joseppe]

So we all know the definition of 1st Degree Murder -
In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.

On the other hand, Manslaughter may fit -
the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

BUT I withhold my judgement until all the facts, evidence and full account of the entire incident are known.

[graciegirl]

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[NFRicaS]

And how sad, that no matter how many times we explain it, that you don’t get that there are a million other ways of protesting inequality than kneeling during the anthem. It was most definitely disrespecting the flag which was not necessary to the protest of inequality and highly offensive especially to those who died giving him the right to protest ( well except that he was at his job at the time and his employer had a rule against it and there was was plenty of time and plenty of methods to use in his free time to protest).

Anyway, with regard to the current horrible murder that just happened on video I hope they throw that cop in jail for the rest of his life and he may find out what it’s like to have someone else throw a power trip on him.
I encourage you to look up the article by Dale Hansen on the “kneeling during anthem” issue...you might learn something new...it has been viewed on YouTube over one million times, and I think speaks very eloquently.

[daddys55]

Some one explain to me how he choked him his knee was on the back of his neck typical procedure to keep a suspect down

[cleanwater]

Makes you wonder how many cases occur that were not video taped. How does our culture and training fail so badly that 3 police men stood by and watched? I expect we will hear about a long list of prior complaints against this officer that were dismissed. I doubt this was his first event, only the first that was video taped. Our training and over sight systems fail us in too many situations. Unfortunately a few bad characters destroy all the good that thousands of other officers do!

[Mohawksin]

I wonder about the rioting and looting that is taking place. What is the point of it, and what good does it accomplish, especially the looting of innocent property owners? It seems counterproductive to me. Is it at all helpful?
Helpful, no. Typical, yes.

[Flamingodoll]

I watched the video. Doesn't really show a lot. Why did the police stop him anyway. So many people rush to judgement when the media only give you part of the picture. I prefer to wait for all the evidence before I make a decision and it won't come from the media..

[airstreamingypsy]

Did he die from being suffocated? Did you know that the knee to the neck is a way that people are restrained when they are actively struggling against being handcuffed? Did he die from lack of air flow as it appears? Or did he die from a drug overdose? Do we know?

I think the fact that the officer's knee was on his neck, and he kept saying I can't breathe should give you a clue. Why would you even think drugs were involved? No one has said anything about drugs. Shame on you.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think the fact that the officer's knee was on his neck, and he kept saying I can't breathe should give you a clue. Why would you even think drugs were involved? No one has said anything about drugs. Shame on you.

One of the problems here is that it's common for people who are being subdued by police often yell that they can't breathe. Often times it's either the stress of being arrested that makes them think that they can't breathe or they are using it as a ploy to escape arrest.

[joseppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o

Assuming the audience was composed of hetrosexuals the speaker could have substituted Gay in place of black and probably gotten the same response. Likewise with people of normal weight and substituted Grossly Obese. There are many prejudices and many forms of unfair treatment. I doubt that anything is going to change that.

If you're trying to say that person's demise was because he was born black then how do you propose we change that?

[nututv]

.... Why would you even think drugs were involved? No one has said anything about drugs. Shame on you.

Well there was most likely a reason why the guy was in cuffs and on the ground. He was a rapper and we all know the history with many of them. Not racist, just the facts. I'm very curious as to if he had a rap sheet or not and if so, what did it look like. Care to place any bets once his personal life is made public?

[Heytubes]

As a former LEO I feel the one will be charged with murder while the others as accessory to murder. I’ve noticed over the years that a very few officers have the stormtroooper syndrome in that they feel they’re above the law and can be little gods, thus casting contempt for the majority of officers that are doing a commendable job.

[ColdNoMore]

Assuming the audience was composed of hetrosexuals the speaker could have substituted Gay in place of black and probably gotten the same response. Likewise with people of normal weight and substituted Grossly Obese. There are many prejudices and many forms of unfair treatment. I doubt that anything is going to change that.

If you're trying to say that person's demise was because he was born black then how do you propose we change that?

1. Admit that systemic racism, injustice and prejudice against blacks...is still rampant today.

2. Folks admit that deep down, they're really glad they weren't born black in this country...because you know how much tougher you would have had it.

3. Vow to constantly fight against racism/bigotry/xenophobia/bigotry/prejudice/Etc.


Ahh, never mind, even the most racist try to hide that fact and would never even think...of doing any of those things. :ohdear:

[600th Photo Sq]

You're a bit late.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump 6:39 PM · May 27, 2020

At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd.
I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!

Your comment regarding the President isn't necessary, some individuals make negative comments and no matter what he does it's never enough.

The Policemen involved here should be arrested.

The rioting that is going on is typical happens every time. Phase II :ohdear:

[Langwelld]

Absolutely no excuse here for this police behavior. 99.9% of police officers are great people doing great work, but not these jerks.

[SuzyQtoo]

Nothing says justice like looting!

[OhioBuckeye]

Well, wonder what this police officer would think if this was his son on the ground & this video was all over the news. Or if it was our sons! Didn’t see one arrest in the video of the looters in Target store.

[graciegirl]

+++

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Your comment regarding the President isn't necessary, some individuals make negative comments and no matter what he does it's never enough.

The Policemen involved here should be arrested.

The rioting that is going on is typical happens every time. Phase II :ohdear:

I believe that the police will be arrested. What is sad is that the looters will not be. Those people setting fire to businesses and stealing from stores had nothing to do with what happened. They simply see it as an opportunity to steal.

[mflasch]

What? These morons will use any excuse that they can to riot and loot. Do you really think any of them care about what happened to Mr. Flyod? Not a chance, this is just an excuse to go and act like animals. In my opinion, looters should be shot on the spot. Knowing that won't happen, the police should minimally bring in water cannons and hose these rabid individuals off before arresting them. If they had half a brain they would realize that this ruthless behavior hurts their alleged cause, but I doubt they even know what that is.

[rlcooper70]

I know that the police are there to protect us .... and they are under a lot of pressure ... but this kind of behavior smacks of just plain sadistic cruelty .... and our society needs to address it.

Clearly these police have failed to be reminded of their position in society.

[nututv]

Just for a few minutes I implore you to consider what it is like for anyone who is feeling scared to death because of the color of their skin.

Save it Mike! Ever been white in the slums of Camden NJ? Ever been white in the slums of San Diego CA? I have, both places Please, there is nothing regarding racism and hate you could ever teach me. I have the mental scars and the broken bones to prove it!
Ever looked down the barrel of another mans gun? Been there as well.

[Reesie]

Not the right choice but.....live in their shoes and feel their anger. 2 wrongs do not make a right but we as white have never had to deal with this either. Just trying to show some Grace here.

[Jacob85]

We actually do know what happened before the video. I saw a copy of a video from the security camera for one of the stores. He did not resist in any way!

[regas56]

More Video? A cop clearly and purposefully has every ounce of his weight on the neck of a subdued handcuffed "suspect" for between 6-8 minutes while the man pleads for his life saying please officer I give up, I can't breath, you're killing me all the while bystanders are yelling stop you're killing him, his nose is starting to bleed, he's losing consciousness but we need more video? The only surprise here is that he lasted as long as he did as anyone with even a tiny bit of knowledge in human anatomy or martial arts knows you can NOT block the carotid artery for more than a minute or two without inflicting serious damage to a human being.. That Cop charged, arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced, and executed a black man while 4 other Cops stood guard and watched and IMO not one bit of additional video will change that fact. At least the cops will get their day in Court. That would NEVER happen to a white man in any upscale neighborhood..

[Reesie]

Really? Even when this president does the right thing, you criticize him?

In this country, we don't put people in prison until they are convicted of a crime. We don't lock people up until they are charged with a crime

While I agree, this looks pretty bad, the president has done exactly what he should have done. He has no authority to demand that these officers be locked up.

If an investigation shows that they acted inappropriately, they will be locked up and possibly be let out on bail until a trial can be held.

Just because there is evidence that looks bad, that doesn't mean that the accused don't have rights. And these officers are not even accused yet.

We don’t lock up people until they have been convicted?????????????
What universe are you living in?

[Denvercane]

I wonder about the rioting and looting that is taking place. What is the point of it, and what good does it accomplish, especially the looting of innocent property owners? It seems counterproductive to me. Is it at all helpful?

It's all they know how to do. No one wants to let justice have its day. Just an excuse to riot and loot. If the roles were opposite, would you see white people burning and looting.. It was wrong but let the system work.

[New Englander]

I back the Police, BUT not in this case! That cop murdered that guy and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Kneeling on the guys neck and the man saying I can't breath is murder.

[Bucco]

Unfortunetly we live in an era of simple hate which is stirred each and every day.

Incidents such as this; well armed men marching against any closings; retail stores refusing service to those who dare wear a mask; threats of violence in November; retaliation actions if you do not walk in lock step; threats against our free press; etc., etc.

It will get worse and a country once proud of being a melting pot descends below the rest of the world. Yet, we join in stirring that hatred each day.

I keep thinking of the saying "be careful, you may get what you wish for". Hate and discord, which will always exist, is now considered a "strategy" to be stirred every day.

[regas56]

Did he die from being suffocated? Did you know that the knee to the neck is a way that people are restrained when they are actively struggling against being handcuffed? Did he die from lack of air flow as it appears? Or did he die from a drug overdose? Do we know?
The video shows him being put on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance where he died on the way to the hospital only minutes after having between 160 and 200 pounds of weight directly on his right carotid artery.. Every police officer I've seen interviewed so far has said that is NOT the way they've been trained to subdue a already cuffed and subdued suspect especially with that much force and for that long a period of time..

[ColdNoMore]

More Video? A cop clearly and purposefully has every ounce of his weight on the neck of a subdued handcuffed "suspect" for between 6-8 minutes while the man pleads for his life saying please officer I give up, I can't breath, you're killing me all the while bystanders are yelling stop you're killing him, his nose is starting to bleed, he's losing consciousness but we need more video? The only surprise here is that he lasted as long as he did as anyone with even a tiny bit of knowledge in human anatomy or martial arts knows you can NOT block the carotid artery for more than a minute or two without inflicting serious damage to a human being.. That Cop charged, arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced, and executed a black man while 4 other Cops stood guard and watched and IMO not one bit of additional video will change that fact. At least the cops will get their day in Court. That would NEVER happen to a white man in any upscale neighborhood..

Absolutely dead on! :bigbow:


But hey, let's concentrate on those whose frustration and anger watching it happen over and over, without proper justice, has boiled over from knowing that just from some of the attitudes/prejudices posted in this thread alone...they'll never get real justice or be treated equal.

[graciegirl]

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[ColdNoMore]

The video shows him being put on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance where he died on the way to the hospital only minutes after having between 160 and 200 pounds of weight directly on his right carotid artery.. Every police officer I've seen interviewed so far has said that is NOT the way they've been trained to subdue a already cuffed and subdued suspect especially with that much force and for that long a period of time..

Exactly!

Those who think, or have been told, that this is an approved method for restraining a suspect, much less one laying on their stomach with arms handcuffed behind their backs, needs to change their news sources...and take a hard look in the mirror.

This death was caused purely by a sadistic racist with power and the attempts to try and obfuscate/justify/minimize such...is beyond disgusting.

[Topspinmo]

I can't imagine the frustration they feel. There have been WAY too many killings of unarmed blacks. No one should receive a death sentence for a petty crime or merely suspicion of a petty crime. The completely innocent birdwatcher in Central Park could have met the same fate had he not been prepared with his camera. Those of us with a "white experience" background have no idea! Try to put things in perspective and walk a mile in their shoes.

White privileged background.

[Topspinmo]

Exactly!

Those who think, or have been told, that this is an approved method for restraining a suspect, much less one laying on their stomach with arms handcuffed behind their backs, needs to change their news sources...and take a hard look in the mirror.

This death was caused purely by a sadistic racist with power and the attempts to try and obfuscate/justify/minimize such...is beyond disgusting.


There it is the political overtones.

[regas56]

Yeah he could have been lying and all those bystanders yelling you're killing him, he's bleeding out of his nose and he's losing consciousness could have been lying also.. He was then put on the stretcher unconscious and was dead a couple minutes later on the way to the hospital..OOPS Yeah 6-8 minutes with 175 pounds directly over his carotid he could of been lying..

[Nipper]

The before video shows the cops taking him out of the his car and cuffing him and walking him to the curb. There was no resistance.

[chuckk281]

If you think it's easy being a cop or first responder then you have been living under a rock. Why don't you go to Chicago for a weekend and walk the streets!!

[Bucco]

If you think it's easy being a cop or first responder then you have been living under a rock. Why don't you go to Chicago for a weekend and walk the streets!!

I have NEVER heard anyone say anything to the opposite of what you say, so not sure what is your point.

That is no excuse for anything, and should not be a reply to this case at all.

Of course, we all recognize the difficulty of the job, as do the police who accept the job.

I just hope your comment are not some kind of "excuse" for this behavior. I believe law enforcement and other protectors are given their just due and for the most part are heroes, but closing your mind and heart to the fact they do not represent perfection is simply so wrong.

[fdpaq0580]

I have not seen the entire video. I will reserve judgement until I get all the facts. I encourage all of you to do the same. In the meantime, please don't riot. So stupid.

It looks like murder from the little I have seen. A full investigation needs to be made with full public disclosure. Appropriate charges filed after investigation, as warranted.
As to the riots, in many cases it is not the community or family seeking revenge, it is outsiders, anarchists and other criminal elements using situations like this to justfy their own destructive, self-serving and potentially deadly behavior. They use the rightful outrage of decent people to fuel the fires of resentment. Those participants then feel they can act out with impunity. Rioting never ends well for most, sending trust, racial and economic relations and society as a whole heading backward. Rioters should be dealt with for what they are, criminals.
As to the officers involved in this case, they should be dealt with per the outcome of the government investigation. IMHO.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Of course something must have been going on before the video started I mean why else would the cops have. killed him ??? Hmmmm

[ColdNoMore]

Of course something must have been going on before the video started I mean why else would the cops have. killed him ??? Hmmmm

Maybe because historically, they've mostly been able to get away with it...so they figure the odds are in their favor? :ohdear:

[Scorpyo]

Most people do not understand the way prosecuting police officers work. It is not as cut and dry as you would like. I am sure these officer's will be charged, however the process is a little different than filing charges on the general public. This despite what the media shows a lot of the time as a slam dunk case. The complicated issues that are involved in making an arrest and the protections the officers enjoy in order to do their jobs makes the investigation a little more complicated. Sometimes, what appears to be excessive ends up being completely legal when all the evidence is presented due to those protections afforded them to make an arrest and protect the public and themselves. These investigations take a little more time to determine if laws and policies were violated or not. Now, with that said, I feel like after doing many of these investigations, that there will be charges filed against these officers. Often these investigations have to be presented to a grand jury before charges are placed and that can take up to 6 weeks. Be patient people and let the many great police officers due their job to bring the bad apples to justice. Right now, it appears that any and every officer they have, is protecting the city from violence and can not put resources into the investigation until this violence is under control.
I agree wholeheartedly. Some scream for due process when it coincides with their options, conversely they don't want to hear about it when it doesn't.

[graciegirl]

^^^

[Michael Charles]

Save it Mike! Ever been white in the slums of Camden NJ? Ever been white in the slums of San Diego CA? I have, both places Please, there is nothing regarding racism and hate you could ever teach me. I have the mental scars and the broken bones to prove it!
Ever looked down the barrel of another mans gun? Been there as well.

As a matter of fact I have been in the poorer parts of NYC, Chicago, Newark NJ, Philadelphia and Baltimore.

Yes, I have had a loaded handgun pointed at my head from 6 feet away.

You are correct that I cannot teach you or any others who have made up their mind to be haters and/or racists anything, you're not willing to have an open mind to learn something.

When/if you go to church, ask for forgiveness for your thoughts and then ask for the gift of patience and tolerance.

[Mumbles]

I agree, that doesn't accomplish...or change anything.

On the other hand...neither did this. .

When a responder/writer comments on some topic in THIS venue, it might be best NOT TO INTRODUCE other things, like the kneeling. I understand that you can say anything you want, but it doesn't always accomplish the point you are trying to make.

Turned me right off like a light.

[ColdNoMore]

Sometimes when people are on drugs it causes them to be extremely strong and out of control. These officers certainly didn't expect what happened here. Not all cops are good guys, but I believe most of them are;

Live PD Officers Fight Guy - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Live+PD+Officers+Fight+Guy&&view=detail&mid=083553D3B86A46352F9B083553D3B86A46352F9B&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DLive%2BPD%2BOfficers%2 BFight%2BGuy%26FORM%3DVDMHRS)
Pure obfuscation and attempted justification...for a racist and sadistic act. :oops:

Watch/research ALL of the videos on the incident, not just the ones fed to you...by biased sources.

He was NOT, by ANY means..."out of control."

When false excuses like this are made up, it just goes and proves my point about how often the bad cops (which I agree are in the minority) get away with it...so they think the odds are in their favor.

For all that's decent, ethical and fair, just STOP right now making it easier for the bad ones...to continue to get away with it. :mad:

Take a knee.

[Kathi71]

Coompare it to the protesting of people protesting the lockdown . Notice the difference in color, behavior, and response by the police? Yes this current protesting is necessary to continure to highlight the disparity in treatment of groups of people. It's past time for a change.

[Bucco]

I still do not understand the knee jerk defense that comes with each of these incidents. The defense is not necessary at all, UNLESS you feel that police are immune in some way to behaving and abiding by the law.

Folks who are outraged on a forum like this have no idea other than a built in mechanism that makes police always the good guys. NOT THE CASE

A general defense is not necessary at all to most. Most, if not all, understand the job, understand the pressure of it, understand what is dealt with each day, and are not condemning police as a whole, YET there is still a blanket "defense" for all.

As with any occupation, violation of the law should be handled case by case unless somehow you consider the police really above the law which would be very ironic as they take an oath to uphold that law.

I happen to dislike the use of any social media to incite people like this, and that applies to anyone who 'uses" it for such purpose.

And for those who find it necessary for some reason to question me or anyone who does not lock steps with their attitude, yep....I spent much time on the streets of Philly and Tampa and am aware of how things happen. I might add that those police officers that do not get involved in things iike this express privately their dissappointment and concern for fellow officers, along with understanding but they pretty much all are professionals and expect their fellow officers to follow their training. And i might add that I found on the streets the divide between police and community is not as big as many like to make it. They KNOW what is happening

Yep, we expect high standards from our police (and any official at any level of government) and should not allow anything to reduce our expectations.

[ColdNoMore]

When a responder/writer comments on some topic in THIS venue, it might be best NOT TO INTRODUCE other things, like the kneeling. I understand that you can say anything you want, but it doesn't always accomplish the point you are trying to make.

Turned me right off like a light.

Given that "taking a knee" is exactly because of the plethora of incidents like this one and the one in Georgia and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with patriotism/the flag...it is WHOLLY appropriate.

Then again, some folks will look for any obfuscation and reason to look away...so as not to recognize/acknowledge the REAL problem.

[Velvet]

Unbelievable! But I missed why George Floyd was being detained in the first place?

[regas56]

And yet here you are living large in an upscale part of town living the dream.. How often do security follow you around the mall assuming you're going to steal something? When/if a cop pulls you over how does it make you feel when he cuffs you and searches you for guns and weapons and then says just do what you're told we've had reports of an older "white" man in the area acting suspicious? When you see a cop behind you at a light do you worry you might be shot? How often do you get the police called on you because you look out of place in your own neighborhood? You ever have people move away from your area cause you moved in or get dirty looks for no reason and feel out of place every single day of your life? I too have had guns pointed at me and worked in very dangerous neighborhoods but always been able to separate myself from those threats and that's why I can't even imagine what it must be like to be black in many many places in America even today..

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sometimes people can act wildly when they are on drugs and have superhuman strength.

live pd showing a suspect hard to restrain - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=live+pd+showing+a+suspect+hard+to+restrai n&docid=608025647844494015&mid=3938C3B72570089EDABB3938C3B72570089EDABB&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

Gracie did you even watch the full video of George Floyd being suffocated to death? It's over 9 minutes of being held to the pavement, with a knee against part of the back/part of the side of your neck (which is where the carotid artery is located). The man could barely move AT ALL. He was handcuffed, the police report included that fact. He had already been handcuffed at the point where this video began. He was helpless to do much other than try to roll his shoulder so he could catch his breath. For nine minutes.

[graciegirl]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Unbelievable! But I missed why Flyod was being detained in the first place?

This is National news and is a couple of days old already.

He was detained because he was suspected initially of passing a forged check, and subsequent reports say he was -actually- trying to use a fake $20 bill to pay for something at the store where that video took place.

In either case, George Floyd was not suspected of committing an act of violence or threat of violence. There was no need to hold him down on the ground AFTER being handcuffed with a knee to his neck for over 9 minutes.

[Chatbrat]

A friend of mine back in our boating days was lawyer who defended a Ca. Highway Patrolman who was charged with using excessive force. The officer emptied a 38 spl revolver into a suspect who was high on "angel dust", he reloaded and put 5 more ads into the suspect . The officer was exonerated and after the trial the Ca. Highway Patrol went to 357 magnums as their duty weapon

But this case is totally different, none of the cops were in fear of their lives, the man wasn't resisting.

They should get the maximum penalty that the law provides in either state , federal courts and or both.

[Marvic 1]

When anyone assumes that all people in a group are the same...…..well that isn't right.

So why do you keep bringing up that drugs are involve in this case just about every one of your post in this thread?

[chet2020]

As a former LEO I feel the one will be charged with murder while the others as accessory to murder. I’ve noticed over the years that a very few officers have the stormtroooper syndrome in that they feel they’re above the law and can be little gods, thus casting contempt for the majority of officers that are doing a commendable job.

Exactly, most LEOs are great, but like any profession, a select few are bullies or incompetent. My nephew is a cop and he hates it when this kind of thing happens.

[ColdNoMore]

So why do you keep bringing up that drugs are involve in this case in just about every post in this thread?

Thank you for also asking...that blatantly obvious question. :oops:

As for disparities and privilege...this sums it up.

And if you didn't know, the bottom two photo's are of people who died...in police custody.

[Denvercane]

I bet you would love to have one of those pigs save your butt when you are being held up a poor oppressed criminal. Those words "pig" are very hateful and show your poor choice of words.

Not an ex cop
My son is a policeman. He stands ready every day to put his life on the line to save yours. Don't judge everyone by the deeds of one. If you do that, then reach out to looters and rioters the next time you need help

[Velvet]

This is National news and is a couple of days old already.

He was detained because he was suspected initially of passing a forged check, and subsequent reports say he was -actually- trying to use a fake $20 bill to pay for something at the store where that video took place.

In either case, George Floyd was not suspected of committing an act of violence or threat of violence. There was no need to hold him down on the ground AFTER being handcuffed with a knee to his neck for over 9 minutes.

Wow! Yep, murder for sure.

[graciegirl]

!!!

[Barefoot]

My son is a policeman. He stands ready every day to put his life on the line to save yours.I very much appreciate his service!

[kathy1516]

The looting and rioting accomplished nothing. Why take their rage out on innocent businesses? Tell me how these blacks taking large screen TVs and other expensive merchandise is ok??? They should be arrested for the millions of dollars of damage and thievery. The police will be prosecuted. These rioters want it NOW. They can’t wait for the investigation to be complete. Need to have all the facts first before prosecution. This is the USA where the rule of law prevails. Their behavior is disgusting.

[nututv]

I cannot teach you or any others who have made up their mind to be haters and/or racists anything, you're not willing to have an open mind to learn something.
When/if you go to church, ask for forgiveness for your thoughts and then ask for the gift of patience and tolerance.
I'm curious as to his past and that makes me a hater, a racist, impatient and intolerant. wow For having never met someone you sure like to fit them into your sized shoe. And I've made up my mind? lol Better look into a mirror.
I very much have an open mind. I like to know/learn all the facts to base an opinion on. If being informed makes me what you seem to think I am, I don't know what to say.
Remember the kid who was found guilty of being a racist to all those poor blacks and the old Indian... until the entire video came out and now he's a millionaire? Sometimes it takes time to reveal all the truth. Why? Because sometimes the truth is hidden and or slowed by people with an objective. (read the MSM) And that includes the bomb throwers at FOX.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes, there are definitely bullies on this forum. A lot who don't think they are.

There are also racists/bigots/misogynists/homophobes/xenophobes/Etc., Etc.

Then there are those who take personal shots at other people...on how they treat their spouses.

ALL are despicable.

And no one has the responsibility, except within the rules, to post so that certain people who believe themselves privileged...are not "annoyed."

So please just admit, that you've been trying to deflect from the real subject of this thread from the beginning...and take a knee.

Thank you. :ho:

[anothersteve]

So what should be done with the rioters and looters? Let them walk and have their day because they are oppressed? Right, most of them are doing it because they can, no other reason.
I made my feelings known about this and when the Police overreact with unnecessary force against ANYONE. Self righteous people always show the 5%, or less, of cops that are real ****, and make it look more prevalent than it really is. Some people are a cop haters, period, that's never going to end.
Steve

[sk450]

No one has mentioned that he was transported by the EMT's to the local hospital were he later died. This was showed on the Chicago news. Wait for the Medical Examiner findings of true cause of death. And what did Target have to do with this guy they got there store looted and cars were burnt because people were mad. They should close the store down and tell every one that this is the repercussions of there actions go loot and burn your own house. Oh that right our taxes pay for your house and big screen TV

[Pamelah]

It matters not one iota if he was on drugs. It mattered not if he had a rap sheet! There were 4 officers on the scene to subdue him. 3 watched as the 4th subdued and killed a man.

[Tom2172]

Why not wait until the investigation is completed!
Looks bad but we should not convict based on Twitter and edited video clips!

Why the Rush to judgment?
Looks bad, maybe it is as shown, but basing anything on what today’s media puts out is a mistake.
We don’t get news we get propaganda.

Wait for the investigation.
Hate mobs & rioting doesn’t solve anything it only makes things worse

[Velvet]

You know, when a grown man calls for his mama after saying he cannot breathe, that told me how much Floyd was really in trouble. Usually you do that when you recognize you are dying. Often last words of soldiers.

[ColdNoMore]

So what should be done with the rioters and looters? Let them walk and have their day because they are oppressed? Right, most of them are doing it because they can, no other reason.
I made my feelings known about this and when the Police overreact with unnecessary force against ANYONE. Self righteous people always show the 5%, or less, of cops that are real ****, and make it look more prevalent than it really is. Some people are a cop haters, period, that's never going to end.
Steve

Those not peacefully protesting and causing property damage or looting, should be treated just as any other people doing it would (arrested and charged)...period.

My question is though, what's the difference between those who were peacefully gathering/protesting having tear gas and rubber bullets being used on them, while those insecure camo & assault weapon warrior wannabe's...were allowed to threaten and scream in cops faces?

The answer of course is...skin color.

I typically eschew unproved conspiracies of all kinds, but how hard would it be for some of those scumbag types at Charlottesville to join in the protest...and help with the looting/rioting?

I mean really, what better way to try and foment...their own racists beliefs?

[claricecolin]

The looters should be punished, full stop.

That being said, I have several issues. The other security videos show George being taken out of car and handcuffed with no incident. None of those show him resisting. The officer was kneeling on his neck for minutes despite he and bystanders begging him to stop. I realize most cops are not bad but why do they not speak up? There were 3other officers there and they did nothing to stop the other one.
George was suspected of passing a bad check or bill(not sure if which) in my 20 plus years of retail management have never called cops on either. Policy was refuse sale try to keep suspect bills if safe to do so. In any case they were to detain him not murder him.

Why is there a segment of cops that seem to be terrified of black men? Do they need training or should they not be on the force? They all seem to say I feared for my life, he was super human, resisting arrest and the like. Fear is understandable in any arrest but it always seems like a special level of fear in these cases.

I am not saying all cops but I am tired of seeing the same thing over and over again.

[ColdNoMore]

It matters not one iota if he was on drugs. It mattered not if he had a rap sheet! There were 4 officers on the scene to subdue him. 3 watched as the 4th subdued and killed a man.

It really is...as simple as that. :mad:

[nututv]

You know, when a grown man calls for his mama after saying he cannot breathe... Usually you do that when you recognize you are dying.
Really! I never heard that before. Other examples please?

[anothersteve]

My question is though, what's the difference between those who were peacefully gathering/protesting having tear gas and rubber bullets being used on them, while those insecure camo & assault weapon warrior wannabe's...were allowed to threaten and scream in cops faces?


Freedom of speech is one thing, looting and rioting as far as I know is against the law, period!
Why is it ALWAYS race with you? Picking and choosing?
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Why not wait until the investigation is completed!
Looks bad but we should not convict based on Twitter and edited video clips!

Why the Rush to judgment?
Looks bad, maybe it is as shown, but basing anything on what today’s media puts out is a mistake.
We don’t get news we get propaganda.

Wait for the investigation.
Hate mobs & rioting doesn’t solve anything it only makes things worse

Given the plethora of actual videos of the death, I'm curious as to what in the world YOU would think...could justify the sadistic/racist cop keeping his knee on his neck for so long?

:popcorn:


And of course, the worst part being that if the videos didn't exist...it would just be business as usual. :mad:

[nututv]

It matters not one iota if he was on drugs. It mattered not if he had a rap sheet! There were 4 officers on the scene to subdue him. 3 watched as the 4th subdued and killed a man.

So a possible ex-con, possibly on something (note the words possible/ly) is no more or less harm than the average Joe in the Villages?
Have you ever seen a kid on crack? Have you ever seen how they go from zero to hero in the blink of an eye? Have you ever seen the strength that they have at the time?
I'm not the medical examiner nor was I there. It will take many iota's for me to make an informed decision. Maybe I never will due to lack of info. Seems everyone is a DA here. lol

[ColdNoMore]

Freedom of speech is one thing, looting and rioting as far as I know is against the law, period!
Why is it ALWAYS race with you? Picking and choosing?
Steve

Read my post again.

Tear gas and rubber bullets were used on those just protesting.

As far as me being willing to stand up when blatant racial disparities occur, just call it a failing on my part...for being a decent human being. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

So a possible ex-con, possibly on something (note the words possible/ly) is no more or less harm than the average Joe in the Villages?
Have you ever seen a kid on crack? Have you ever seen how they go from zero to hero in the blink of an eye? Have you ever seen the strength that they have at the time?
I'm not the medical examiner nor was I there. It will take many iota's for me to make an informed decision. Maybe I never will due to lack of info. Seems everyone is a DA here. lol

Thank you for demonstrating exactly why, such vast and institutional...racial disparities still exist.

You've done a public service. :thumbup:

[anothersteve]

Read my post again.

Tear gas and rubber bullets were used on those just protesting.

As far as me being willing to stand up when blatant racial disparities occur, just call it a failing on my part...for being a decent human being. :ho:

Too funny!
Steve

[nututv]

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Read my post again.

Tear gas and rubber bullets were used on those just protesting.


If you're going to loot my store because what happened on the other side of the country... well I'll not be reaching for a can of tear gas. That's protesting???
Your definitions are a wee bit different than mine I guess.
George Floyd's death: Parts of Minneapolis burn during protests - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-thursday/index.html)

[retiredguy123]

The looters should be punished, full stop.

That being said, I have several issues. The other security videos show George being taken out of car and handcuffed with no incident. None of those show him resisting. The officer was kneeling on his neck for minutes despite he and bystanders begging him to stop. I realize most cops are not bad but why do they not speak up? There were 3other officers there and they did nothing to stop the other one.
George was suspected of passing a bad check or bill(not sure if which) in my 20 plus years of retail management have never called cops on either. Policy was refuse sale try to keep suspect bills if safe to do so. In any case they were to detain him not murder him.

Why is there a segment of cops that seem to be terrified of black men? Do they need training or should they not be on the force? They all seem to say I feared for my life, he was super human, resisting arrest and the like. Fear is understandable in any arrest but it always seems like a special level of fear in these cases.

I am not saying all cops but I am tired of seeing the same thing over and over again.
The looters won't be punished. So, the next time an event like this occurs, there will be more looting.

[nututv]

Thank you for demonstrating exactly why, such vast and institutional...racial disparities still exist.

You've done a public service. :thumbup:
You've given your opinion on race once again. I congratulate you Oh keeper of humanity.
You still haven't answered any of the many questions.

[Neils]

I speak from experiance as an ex police officer

1. The officers involved need to be Arrested now On suspicion of murder, and eventually charged with murder as soon as case can be Filed.

2. The rioters should all be arrested for disorderedly conduct, vandalism and theft. They do not own Target or Autozone.

3. The stores should close in this area to minimize future risk to their innocent employees and valuable property

4. The police need to be retrained immediately. Their traditional job that taxpayers pay them to do is to “ protect and serve” Do they somehow now think that Deployment of militarized officers in flack jackets touting “law enforcement” Builds community support????

5. Judges and prosecutors, mayors and political hacks, all need to support arresting and removing the Lifelong criminals from our streets. These creeps ( yes creeps) ruin our cities and make them unsafe for police or citizens To enjoy.

This applies to all political parties and all races.

[regas56]

No one has mentioned that he was transported by the EMT's to the local hospital were he later died. This was showed on the Chicago news. Wait for the Medical Examiner findings of true cause of death. And what did Target have to do with this guy they got there store looted and cars were burnt because people were mad. They should close the store down and tell every one that this is the repercussions of there actions go loot and burn your own house. Oh that right our taxes pay for your house and big screen TV They interviewed the Paramedics his heart stopped in the ambulance and they were not able to revive him.. They pronounced him dead at the hospital..

[ColdNoMore]

George Floyd protests: Man calls police on black entrepreneurs for using same gym in Minneapolis in viral video (https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-floyd-protests-man-calls-113950035.html)

[Velvet]

Really! I never heard that before. Other examples please?

You have never been in battle? You are very lucky. Personal observations, as I witness war around me.

[Ladygolfer93]

Exactly ! Even some of the TV "talking heads" (who actually benefit from riots, "if it bleeds it leads" kind of mentality, are saying HOW can breaking into a big store and stealing a big screen TV and actually having others there to help you haul it HOME, be a "protest" to horrible, shameful, ILLEGAL behavior ???? To show my outrage of my home being broken into, or my rights trampled on, is the answer to go commit other illegal acts, arson setting things on fire, burglary, theft.... ? ? What in the world ? Did no one learn anything from MLK ? Gandhi ? Others ....

[regas56]

Why not wait until the investigation is completed!
Looks bad but we should not convict based on Twitter and edited video clips!

Why the Rush to judgment?
Looks bad, maybe it is as shown, but basing anything on what today’s media puts out is a mistake.
We don’t get news we get propaganda.

Wait for the investigation.
Hate mobs & rioting doesn’t solve anything it only makes things worse Because to often as time passes things tend to get swept under the rug and that is not fair for the victim or his loved ones..I f that was your loved one being murdered by a cop you would be anxious for justice also..

[nututv]

Too many rats in the cage, too many fish in the pond. It'll work itself out someday when we either destroy everyone or at least draw down the numbers.
We're just animals like everything else but unlike the other animals, our only enemy is ourselves and we're breeding uncontrolled like rabbits in a cabbage patch.
This Earth we all live on needs an enema.

[nututv]

You have never been in battle? You are very lucky. Personal observations, as I witness war around me.

Yes I have been in battle and no, I don't consider myself lucky at all for seeing and doing what I did. Where are you at now that you are witnessing war? If you think that what we are experiencing right now is even remotely like war, it's pretty clear you have never been on the battlefield.
PS You still haven't answered any questions. None.

[GPGuar]

The real issue is that police in general have developed a culture that has gone a way past law enforcement. The incident in question is due to a NSF check. In most countries a NSF check is a not even a criminal Or police issue. It is a civil issue.

Perhaps the media and every politician need to stop the constant drip of thanking first responders for everything from getting coffee to cleaning a washroom. First responders actually think they are special. They are not, they accepted the job.

The statistics bare out that policing in general is not a high risk job. It is time to change the culture. The quickest way to change a culture is to change the people.

Thank you!

[claricecolin]

The looters won't be punished. So, the next time an event like this occurs, there will be more looting.
Well then what is the solution to prevent events like this from happening again? None of the videos show George resisting arrest. The other 3 cops didn't try to stop the 4th.

[regas56]

So a possible ex-con, possibly on something (note the words possible/ly) is no more or less harm than the average Joe in the Villages?
Have you ever seen a kid on crack? Have you ever seen how they go from zero to hero in the blink of an eye? Have you ever seen the strength that they have at the time?
I'm not the medical examiner nor was I there. It will take many iota's for me to make an informed decision. Maybe I never will due to lack of info. Seems everyone is a DA here. lol Wow!!! I'm almost at a loss for words.. POSSIBLY an ex-con, POSSIBLY on drugs, maybe even crack with superhuman strength? I was an EMT and picked up many drug overdoses and yeah they can be crazy and extra strong but once FOUR of us had them cuffed and restrained we were not allowed to torture and kill them.. In America that's you know, kinda bad..

[kenoc7]

And how sad, that no matter how many times we explain it, that you don’t get that there are a million other ways of protesting inequality than kneeling during the anthem. It was most definitely disrespecting the flag which was not necessary to the protest of inequality and highly offensive especially to those who died giving him the right to protest ( well except that he was at his job at the time and his employer had a rule against it and there was was plenty of time and plenty of methods to use in his free time to protest).

Anyway, with regard to the current horrible murder that just happened on video I hope they throw that cop in jail for the rest of his life and he may find out what it’s like to have someone else throw a power trip on him.

It was most definitely not disrespecting the flag and what happened in Minneapolis shows why attention-getting protests like Kaepernick's are necessary.

[Ladygolfer93]

I watched a different channel I guess, on it they said store owner called due to FAKE $20, but regardless, of course to DIE for ISF or pas sing fake currency, to DIE for that, beyond words ! For some reason, it was not only the act of just publicly executing someone, with NO TRAIL, and (probably even in front of all ages, even CHILDREN !), it's just one of those things we all have probably told ourselves could not happen ! So many examples, way back to Rodney King, and also right here in Florida I was trying to think of how many mentally ill people could have been tasered or some how tranquilized are instead, just shot, easier ? Or, is it the extreme fear factor officers experience ? Do they think, "IF I take a few seconds more, will I be the one who dies ?" It is all such a terrible situation, and no time to "deliberate", but this seems like the death of the man they police were just "fed up with" who was always trying to see single cigarettes to the street people who could not afford to buy a whole pack at a time. Now we add in this virus ! Will all begin acting like animals ? People now almost beaten seriously for what ... NOT wearing a mask... which our government "experts" are now, for the THIRD time, telling us complete opposites (thanks Dr. Fauci !), now we learn they are just a "symbol", not actually helpful, what if the woman in the Walmart had been killed (she had children too), what have we all come to ???

[ColdNoMore]

It was most definitely not disrespecting the flag and what happened in Minneapolis shows why attention-getting protests like Kaepernick's are necessary.

YEP! :thumbup:


Not to even mention, the number of folks posting that further reinforces why peaceful protests like Kaepernick's (and others)...are STILL so desperately needed. :ohdear:

[Velvet]

Yes I have been in battle and no, I don't consider myself lucky at all for seeing and doing what I did. Where are you at now that you are witnessing war? If you think that what we are experiencing right now is even remotely like war, it's pretty clear you have never been on the battlefield.
PS You still haven't answered any questions. None.

I’m not in a war zone at present, but have been in the past. The call for mother with dying breath is a human last cry to the one who helped you when you were helpless. May you and I never have to experience it.

[anothersteve]

YEP! :thumbup:


Not to even mention, the number of folks posting that further reinforces why peaceful protests like Kaepernick's (and others)...are STILL so desperately needed. :ohdear:

Heed those words, "peaceful protests", not rioting and looting. Think about it now....don't you think the police are on edge right now? Do the riots and lootings make it any better. If the prejudice is so rampant this would be a perfect time.......
Now even if the police do protect themselves it will be decried as prejudice.

Steve

[nututv]

Wow!!! I'm almost at a loss for words.. POSSIBLY an ex-con, POSSIBLY on drugs, maybe even crack with superhuman strength? I was an EMT and picked up many drug overdoses and yeah they can be crazy and extra strong but once FOUR of us had them cuffed and restrained we were not allowed to torture and kill them.. In America that's you know, kinda bad..

If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If you are will you?
Sorry but good, bad or indifferent, what happened took seconds. Now that all you folks have had a few days to figure out what happened in your minds from watching a few minutes of video on your couches with no background on anything or anyone, I'm confident that you'll all come to the proper conclusion. Hey, why even bring it to court right? I mean you're all correct like you say you all are lets just hang em high.
Let's not because "In America that's you know, kinda bad.."

[nututv]

Now even if the police do protect themselves it will be decried as prejudice.

Exactly!

[nututv]

I’m not in a war zone at present, but have been in the past. The call for mother with dying breath is a human last cry to the one who helped you when you were helpless. May you and I never have to experience it.

What was your AFSC or MOS?
Still, no questions answered. :popcorn:

[GoodLife]

These photos of trashed stores and burning buildings are just a distraction from your racism. Gosh my back is sore from patting myself on the back.

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[Mustagotlost]

I don’t understand why the police need to be forceful. Hell a taser would have rendered him in able to fight back.


This is a sad sad day.

[sk450]

Then he was not murdered . To b murdered he would have had to stop breathing there and then. Now the officer might be charged with excessive force or contributing to manslaughter but there again let the ME due his job so get your verb age right.

[Marvic 1]

So what should be done with the rioters and looters? Let them walk and have their day because they are oppressed? Right, most of them are doing it because they can, no other reason.
Steve

........ Have you notice a lot of these rioters are WHITE .....

[llmcdaniel]

I agree that these policemen should all be charged. However, you don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to how high risk or low risk policing is. My son is an officer in Las Vegas, and I’m here to tell you that he has witnessed and been involved with all kinds of violence toward the police. Examples: rich whites spitting on and verbally abusing the cops; poor white racists attacking minorities just because; gangs attacking each other on the street and in jail; thugs attacking parole and probation officers when they check on parolees wherever they may live; cops being threatened for ticketing or arresting people. He has seen more death and mutilations than a lot of people in the military do. Also, when a policeman is called in to testify by IA or a district attorney, it can mean jail time and the loss of your career if you lie. Television shows do not depict the real truth in many cases. Are there bullies? You bet there are, but it has been my son’s experience that they are weeded out in LV.

[regas56]

Then he was not murdered . To b murdered he would have had to stop breathing there and then. Now the officer might be charged with excessive force or contributing to manslaughter but there again let the ME due his job so get your verb age right.What?? that is not true in the least.. If you beat a man and put him in the hospital and he doesn't die for a week or two later it's still murder..

[Bogie Shooter]

Just curious? What's the story on the dead guy? Why was he in cuffs, does he have a rap sheet, has he been thru the system before?

Would any of that dictate having a knee on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes?

[regas56]

Nobody said to not take it to Court everybody gets their day in court AND it didn't take seconds it took many many minutes to kill that man.. He had MORE than enough time to stop the torture but he chose to ignore the pleas because of one of two reasons, he was Jacked up on adrenaline (not an excuse) or he was a coward and still afraid to get off the suspect even though he was totally subdued.. YES if some video should surface that shows this suspect needed to have his necked kneeled on for 9 minutes resulting in his death or if the autopsy shows he died from another cause I'll be the 1st to admit I may have jumped to conclusions.. I predict involuntary manslaughter at the very least but we will see..

[MandoMan]

What makes me very sad is that this is making a lot of people think all law enforcement are unfair and brutal. I have observed on Live PD Law Enforcement holding people with their knee to the neck as these people were trying to escape, kicking and hitting the officers and were actively trying to harm law enforcement. I think that restraining someone with a knee to the neck is common practice. It appears brutal but perhaps necessary in many situations. I too wonder if this man WAS in handcuffs?? If he was, was he still attempting to kick or escape? I know that every law enforcement officer is not perfect. But their job is to restrain and to arrest. Did this man die because of his air flow being cut off? Or were there other factors? Had he taken drugs? If so could that have killed him? To me some things are crystal clear, such as the men killing the man in Georgia. We cannot be judge and jury to anyone. That was a LYNCHING to me, pure and simple. I am just asking people who know. What happened before the picture that we see of the police officer kneeling on his neck? I hope I am not being racist. I have seen many, many white men restrained with a knee to the neck. I watch Live PD. a lot.

Yes, he was cuffed behind his back, but he was strong and trying to get up or roll away. He had already done that several times. Most of the cop’s weight was on his other knee, not on his neck. People who can’t breathe usually don’t keep talking. You are right about this being a common hold-down gonebad. You are right about letting the investigation take its course.

[anothersteve]

........ Have you notice a lot of these rioters are WHITE .....
I wouldn't say "a lot" , I don't know what videos or coverage you have been watching.
Second I never said or implied anything about any race of any of the .....um......"protesters" (as some would like to call them)

Steve

[Bjeanj]

I have watched two videos of this incident.
1) the actual arrest, with Mr. Floyd being handcuffed, then walked across the street to a patrol car where Mr. Floyd was either forced to the ground or somehow became laying on the ground: Surveillance Video Shows George Floyd Before Killing, Mayor Calls for Charges (https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/27/surveillance-footage-before-george-floyd-killed-minneapolis-not-resisting/)

2) the officer kneeling on his neck : Dan Bongino calls '''disturbing''' video of George Floyd arrest '''really, really tough to watch''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dan-bongino-video-george-floyd-arrest-disturbing)

In my opinion, unless I saw exculpatory video/testimony, I would charge the officer, at a minimum, with manslaughter.

[Bogie Shooter]

Sometimes when people are on drugs it causes them to be extremely strong and out of control. These officers certainly didn't expect what happened here. Not all cops are good guys, but I believe most of them are;

Live PD Officers Fight Guy - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Live+PD+Officers+Fight+Guy&&view=detail&mid=083553D3B86A46352F9B083553D3B86A46352F9B&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DLive%2BPD%2BOfficers%2 BFight%2BGuy%26FORM%3DVDMHRS)

Careful what you believe on LivePD. The participating departments have reserved the right to edit the films, most are on a timed delay. I recall a department here in Florida that wanted a longer delay and could not get it in the contract so they opted out.

[karostay]

So many hypothetical experts it's amazing

[Bogie Shooter]

Unbelievable! But I missed why George Floyd was being detained in the first place?

Go visit any news web site...………………………..

[regas56]

Yes, he was cuffed behind his back, but he was strong and trying to get up or roll away. He had already done that several times. Most of the cop’s weight was on his other knee, not on his neck. People who can’t breathe usually don’t keep talking. You are right about this being a common hold-down gonebad. You are right about letting the investigation take its course.HE DIED!! Did he deserve that? :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

The good thing about this forum is this. Most of us are old enough to perceive evil. And to recognize good. There are some who enjoy making people angry and who always find ways to upset any kind of discussion. It is wrong to hate people because of race. It is wrong to overlook terrible wrong things. Orange Blossom Baby who I respect has just said that I missed the earlier part of the video and this person who did do a bad thing, a non violent bad thing did nothing at all to resist arrest. My point is this. A lot of times, police officers have to do that, lean on someone's neck in order to put on cuffs. There are bullies among police officers and there are bullies on this forum. I wonder sometimes when I see the extreme views of some folks how their wives fare. I hope if these officers are guilty they are tried for murder. We should not allow what they did to influence our respect of good police officers. One is just as wrong as the others.

My point again is...……..some posters just really enjoy being self righteous. And finding fault. EVERYONE ON THIS EARTH has pages in their book they don't want read aloud.

There are pastors and teachers and police officers and others who have done awful things. And they need to pay the price.

Some people can present things in such a way that even if you agree with them you are annoyed.

"to put on" He had them on. This defeats you argument....

[Marvic 1]

I wouldn't say "a lot" , I don't know what videos or coverage you have been watching.

Steve

You see what you want to see, here is what I see......

[Shbullet]

Maybe I missed it on a news report but what happened between the time he was cuffed and the time the officer put a knee on his neck? How / why did he end up on the ground?

[claricecolin]

That is not clear. There is security video that shows them removing him from car , handcuffing and placing him against wall without incident or resistance. He is then gotten up another car comes up so it is not clear how George ended up on the pavement.

[anothersteve]

You see what you want to see, here is what I see......

Like I said, see what you want to see. One snippet does not show proof or the truth.
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My point is this. A lot of times, police officers have to do that, lean on someone's neck in order to put on cuffs. There are bullies among police officers and there are bullies on this forum. I wonder sometimes when I see the extreme views of some folks how their wives fare. I hope if these officers are guilty they are tried for murder. We should not allow what they did to influence our respect of good police officers. One is just as wrong as the others.


But this thread isn't about those other times, other cops, other criminals, other situations. This thread is about THIS time, THIS alleged criminal (there's still no determination if he even KNEW in advance he was passing a bad bill - so it's still possible he was 100% innocent of THAT as well), THIS situation, THIS cop.

When you dilute the situation by bringing in "what about those other things" you are guilty of what's known as "whataboutism." That is how people deflect from an actual issue, trying to make it a non-issue, making people think "oh that's not so bad, let's just forget it."

I don't know if you do this on purpose. But you DO do it often. This thread is not the place for talking about all the other times cops do good things. You can make a thread for that. This isn't even about all the other times cops do bad things. There are threads about that. This is about George Floyd, who was murdered by a very specific individual cop.

[Shbullet]

Maybe I missed it on a news report but what happened between the time he was cuffed and the time the officer put a knee on his neck? How / why did he end up on the ground?

Well lets face it, whatever happened didnt justify the outcome, but i think if you want to evaluate the entire incident you need to have all the facts. Something did happen...we just dont know what it was at this time...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What was your AFSC or MOS?
Still, no questions answered. :popcorn:

She is FROM a country that was a war zone. One doesn't need to be in the military to experience war. One only need actually live in the country where war exists.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, he was cuffed behind his back, but he was strong and trying to get up or roll away. He had already done that several times. Most of the cop’s weight was on his other knee, not on his neck. People who can’t breathe usually don’t keep talking. You are right about this being a common hold-down gonebad. You are right about letting the investigation take its course.

Armchair lawyer doesn't read actual information.

1. The Police Department chief FIRED (not suspended) all 4 cops.
2. That particular method of subduing someone is AGAINST that police department's policy.
3. George Floyd (he had a name, that was his name) was not trying to get up. He was trying to breathe. He was held on his stomach with a knee to his neck and he was groaning and grunting, turning his shoulder up so he could BREATHE - which is what he kept trying to say he couldn't do. The cop CHOSE not to let up on him. He died as a result - and even after Mr. Floyd was clearly either dead or unconscious, the cop CONTINUED to hold his knee on his neck for several more minutes.

Sort of like the cop was trying to make sure Mr. Floyd was dead, just in case there was any doubt.

[Bellavita]

as a white woman I cannot imagine what parents of color tell their children. How do you instruct them but to live in fear. The fear a parent must feel when their child goes out into the world in a car or walking down the street with a hoodie. It is devil in the groves over and over again.

[ColdNoMore]

Heed those words, "peaceful protests", not rioting and looting. Think about it now....don't you think the police are on edge right now? Do the riots and lootings make it any better. If the prejudice is so rampant this would be a perfect time.......
Now even if the police do protect themselves it will be decried as prejudice.

Steve

Baloney.

There hasn't been any outcries of police protecting themselves... from actual threat of harm.

What keeps happening, over and over, is unarmed black men being killed by white police officers...with a lack of consequences.

Heck, here's one where the person as shot in the back for cripes sake.

Now tell me how the cop was in any danger...from someone running away?

Shooting of Walter Scott - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott)

At least justice was achieved in this one tragedy...unlike so many others.

[ColdNoMore]

"to put on" He had them on. This defeats you argument....

Not only was he handcuffed with his arms behind his back, he was also...already laying on his stomach.

Four to one and the police still have tasers that could be used.

If a cop was still feeling threatened with these odds and Mr. Floyd in this position...they have no business being in law enforcement.

Not even as a typist.

[claricecolin]

as a white woman I cannot imagine what parents of color tell their children. How do you instruct them but to live in fear. The fear a parent must feel when their child goes out into the world in a car or walking down the street with a hoodie. It is devil in the groves over and over again.

It is hard to articulate that fear. It is why we tell our sons you can't do what others can because you don't get the benefit of the doubt. That assumptions will be made of you despite your reality. Even when he is an adult that he is not seen as a man but a threat. Despite the fact he has 2 degrees, supervises a staff of 50, married and no outside children. Still is aware of assumptions made it is exhausting.

[graciegirl]

http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

[Bucco]

I don't think you watch LivePD as much as I do.

I cannot find the tape of George Floyd being handcuffed and walked over to the police car. I am unabashedly pro law enforcement. It is an awful thing to accept that George Floyd was murdered due to excessive force. Orange Blossom Baby thinks I am guilty of....let me look it up. Here it is...…."whataboutism". That appears to me to be a person who is skeptical and debates issues. And I always will while I have breath in me. I don't accept things because that is how a group of people present it to me. NO group of people. Did this man George Floyd resist arrest? Do we have film of the entire incident?

Maybe I am a racist. I hope not. I don't think I am. I know that police officers kneel on the neck of people of every hue. SADLY because people do resist arrest and continue to fight even when tased sometimes.

Not sure why this comparison thing continues.

Police across the country are condemning the officers involved, yet some still try to come up with an excuse on this forum.

We can't discuss certain issues, but always, no matter the situation everyone goes to the same "corner". So many scary things happened today, I am embarrassed for my country. That last sentence was difficult and emotional to even type, as someone who served this country militarily and in elected officials offices for many years.

Trying to justify bad actions, no matter who is wrong.

[anothersteve]

[SIZE="3"]Baloney.

There hasn't been any outcries of police protecting themselves... from actual threat of harm.

What keeps happening, over and over, is unarmed black men being killed by white police officers...with a lack of consequences.

Heck, here's one where the person as shot in the back for cripes sake.

Now tell me how the cop was in any danger...from someone running away?


Nice how you turn things around to suite your thinking.
If you would read my post correctly you would see "if the cops tried to protect themselves in the midst of the rioting and looting, it would be decried as racist. You just love to turn things around. You should reall get a job as a "journalist".

"What keeps happening, over and over, is unarmed black men being killed by white police officers...with a lack of consequences."


You know "what keeps happening'? news, that's what makes the news, that's what makes headlines, and if there's a video?? that's a ratings boost! It's not as prevalent as you and the media would like everyone to believe. Some of us are much more intelligent to decipher truth and reality. You seemed to have missed that boat.
I sure could say, and have said, loads more but the "mods" don't seem to like what I have to say.
Steve

[bmarasco]

.. and where were the other 3 officers AND civilians that witnessed this ... AND they all just let it happen !!! I am outraged that the civilians just ‘stood’ around and would not get involved !! So tonight they are probably saying ‘ Oh, I WISH I had done more !!!

[Marvic 1]

I am outraged that the civilians just ‘stood’ around and would not get involved !! So tonight they are probably saying ‘ Oh, I WISH I had done more !!!

The civilians were telling the cops to get off from him and that he couldn't breathe...
What do you want the civilians to do kick the cops off from him! sheeesss!

[claricecolin]

.. and where were the other 3 officers AND civilians that witnessed this ... AND they all just let it happen !!! I am outraged that the civilians just ‘stood’ around and would not get involved !! So tonight they are probably saying ‘ Oh, I WISH I had done more !!!
The civilians were asking the cop to get off his neck so George could breathe. What else could they do? If they physically tried to remove him it is highly likely they would have been arrested at least.

[Stu from NYC]

Whatever happened to due process? If the police officers are guilty they should be sent to prison and given maximum sentence.

Why is it that whenever these things happen the citizens of the community seem to protest by looting stores that provide them with jobs?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Did this man George Floyd resist arrest?
No, he didn't.
Do we have film of the entire incident?
Surveillance tape from the store shows entire incident.

I know that police officers kneel on the neck of people of every hue.
Irrelevant in THIS situation because that specific "method" of subduing a suspect is AGAINST THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY.

They did something wrong. They knew it was wrong when they did it. They knew it was wrong WHILE they were doing it. And they knew it was wrong when their suspect died, while they were doing it.

They murdered a man who was unarmed, was NOT resisting arrest, was handcuffed, and was on his stomach on the ground.

And then - if that wasn't enough, they CONTINUED to knee his neck to make SURE he was dead, after he was already dead.

[graciegirl]

===

[ColdNoMore]

Nice how you turn things around to suite your thinking.
If you would read my post correctly you would see "if the cops tried to protect themselves in the midst of the rioting and looting, it would be decried as racist. You just love to turn things around. You should reall get a job as a "journalist".

"What keeps happening, over and over, is unarmed black men being killed by white police officers...with a lack of consequences."


You know "what keeps happening'? news, that's what makes the news, that's what makes headlines, and if there's a video?? that's a ratings boost! It's not as prevalent as you and the media would like everyone to believe. Some of us are much more intelligent to decipher truth and reality. You seemed to have missed that boat.
I sure could say, and have said, loads more but the "mods" don't seem to like what I have to say.
Steve:1rotfl:

As tempting as it is, I'll refrain...from pointing out the obvious irony.

Oops. :D

Have a great evening. :ho:

[Bucco]

That is your assessment. That is your summary. That is leaping to a conclusion. That is thinking they meant to kill him.

WOW....just serving and protecting I suppose.

[anothersteve]

:1rotfl:

As tempting as it is, I'll refrain...from pointing out the obvious irony.

Oops. :D

Have a great evening. :ho:

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Linda Taranto]

I agree, police officer should be prosecuted! This is one reason there is such a hatred of the police by black citizens.

[eyc234]

:ohdear: With the violence and destruction that is occurring the entire outlook by most will be lost and shifted from the issue. So much for peaceful, meaningful protest. Now with the media coverage there will be seismic shift in the perception of most of America. The damage done physically and emotionally will take generations to overcome if, as in other areas that have seen these actions, it will ever come back. How about shutting down the city not burning it down. Now instead of pictures and discussions of the murdered man and the bad officers it is all about the riots. Great way to get a message out to the masses.

[dewilson58]

Whatever happened to due process? If the police officers are guilty they should be sent to prison and given maximum sentence.

Why is it that whenever these things happen the citizens of the community seem to protest by looting stores that provide them with jobs?


Yep.


Ferguson riots destroyed a town, a community.

[ColdNoMore]

This is why the frustration and anger...is so high.

[anothersteve]

This is one reason there is such a hatred of the police by black citizens.

And a hatred of any police officer of any color that abuses his "authority" on anyone of any color or race.
Steve

[RVJim]

Why is it you only see this in America? People destroying their own cities to protest perceived injustice. Like dogs crapping in their own crates out of frustration.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The ex-cop (remember he was fired - he's not a cop anymore) who put his knee on George Floyd's neck has had 18 other complaints filed against him in the past - and two of those complaints were "closed with discipline." This is according to the Minneapolis Police Department official records.

The other ex-cop in the video who was actually facing the camera and standing up, had 6 complaints against him in the past - one of which is still open, the others closed without discipline.

So there is a history of problems with both of these ex-cops. The other two who you don't see in the video but were also fired, had no prior complaints against them.

18 complaints, and only two of them closed with discipline - on a single police officer. It never should've gotten that high in the first place. The structure of their department is flawed, to allow someone to rack up 18 complaints, and only close two - and both of them "with discipline."

[CFrance]

Why is it you only see this in America? People destroying their own cities to protest perceived injustice. Like dogs crapping in their own crates out of frustration.
You're kidding, right? Take a look at the gilet jaune protests in France last year. The protests in Hong Kong have been very violent and destructive. The destruction in Tehran last November caused by demonstrators protesting against fuel hikes. Just a few examples. And more:

Protests of 2019 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_of_2019#Structure_and_methods)

[Stu from NYC]

You're kidding, right? Take a look at the gilet jaune protests in France last year. The protests in Hong Kong have been very violent and destructive. The destruction in Tehran last November caused by demonstrators protesting against fuel hikes. Just a few examples. And more:

Protests of 2019 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_of_2019#Structure_and_methods)

We should be better than this

[Bucco]

We should be better than this

I agree...we should be.

We are "stirred" daily NOT for the benefit of our country.

We have been divided as promised.

[New Englander]

Kneeling on a mans neck for eight minutes and the man saying I can't breath is a VERY excessive force. Did the man deserve to die? NO!

Is it okay to riot and loot because you're angry? NO!

[Stu from NYC]

Kneeling on a mans neck for eight minutes and the man saying I can't breath is a VERY excessive force. Did the man deserve to die? NO!

Is it okay to riot and loot because you're angry? NO!

I do not understand why the officer would kneel on the guys neck so long. What could he have possibly be thinking especially when other people around are filming this.

[ColdNoMore]

I do not understand why the officer would kneel on the guys neck so long. What could he have possibly be thinking especially when other people around are filming this.

I think that he figured, that based on the vast majority of historical similar actions in this country...he could get away with it.

One can only imagine, how many times white officers have used excessive force on people of color...when no camera is around. :mad:

[Stu from NYC]

I think that he figured, that based on the vast majority of historical similar actions in this country...he could get away with it.

One can only imagine, how many times white officers have used excessive force on people of color...when no camera is around. :mad:

Would like to hear the officers side of the story.

[anothersteve]

I think that he figured, :mad:

You "think" that he "figured"? :pray:

Steve

[golfing eagles]

I think that he figured, that based on the vast majority of historical similar actions in this country...he could get away with it.

One can only imagine, how many times white officers have used excessive force on people of color...when no camera is around. :mad:

I also wonder how many times white officers us excessive force on white suspects. It isn't solely a one way street. 78% of suspects shot and killed by police are white, of course that doesn't make the headlines as often. That being said, this incident remains deplorable.

[Bucco]

Would like to hear the officers side of the story.

We will.....in court. That is how it works, unless killed before then.

I am struck by the tone on here. I also repel violence and looting (that story of WHO did that will be interesting) but the entire tenor on this forum is now about the police and the actual crime has become secondary.

[Shbullet]

I think that he figured, that based on the vast majority of historical similar actions in this country...he could get away with it.

One can only imagine, how many times white officers have used excessive force on people of color...when no camera is around. :mad:


Do U think excessive force has happened to white people as well ? I do. Just saying...Its not ok for any race..unfortunately we look at race way too often. Someday, we hopefully can look at this incident and say a police officer used excessive force on a MAN,,,,and maybe avoid all the race baiting disruptive activities that follow....riots etc

[Velvet]

Honolulu Star Advertiser:
“MINNEAPOLIS >> The Minneapolis police officer who was seen on video kneeling on the neck of George Floyd, a handcuffed black man who died in custody after pleading that he could not breathe, was arrested today and charged with murder.”

After watching the video that was posted, and listening to what George Floyd was detained for, this was my impression too.

[Polar Bear]

...One can only imagine, how many times white officers have used excessive force on people of color...when no camera is around. :mad:
That might be the most racist statement I’ve heard or read from any source since this terrible event occurred.

Remove “white” and “of color” and it would have raised a fair question.

[Shbullet]

That might be the most racist statement I’ve heard or read from any source since this terrible event occurred.

Remove “white” and “of color” and it would have raised a fair question.

Absolutely correct

[Bogie Shooter]

Would like to hear the officers side of the story.

Would it be any different than the other 18 times he was called on the carpet??

[Marvic 1]

In the last 3 1/2 year I have seen or heard the word "RACIST" being used more than the other years of my entire life....
The word is being over use and it is losing its meaning!

[Stu from NYC]

Would it be any different than the other 18 times he was called on the carpet??

I have no idea but he does get to tell his side of the story in court

[anothersteve]

In the last 3 1/2 year I have seen or heard the word "RACIST" being used more than the other years of my entire life....
The word is being over use and it is losing its meaning!


I see what you are implying there.
It sure is used here more, and by a very few I might add, surely not the majority. Some even label others racist's in non- coherent rants when you disagree with their way of thinking. Hell some even believe , in their immature minds, that "everyone" that has picked the opposite fork in the road wears a KKK robe and carries a torch in one hand and a noose in the other. These are people that you cannot have an honest and viable, or intelligent for that matter, conversation with, these are the angry ones, these are the self righteous, self appointed "saviors". Pitiful really, pitiful.
Colorful words from a keyboard it seems are the only weapons against hate, racism and bigotry, while they sit on their hands decrying that "no one is doing enough". Please, get away from that keyboard, walk a actual mile in others shoes, and tell them they are not doing enough. Generalizations
I know many people and have plenty of friends that walk the same roads, but take different paths. Sometimes we come to a fork and take the path we think is the right one, that's always a good thing. Big difference is, with an open mind while traveling those paths they have plenty of time to think, to take in the "scenery", and they eventually meet down the road, and walk the same road, friends again, and talk about what they have seen on their paths, it's rational and never self absorbing.
It's very different here for some.
Steve

[72lions]

I agree, that doesn't accomplish...or change anything.

On the other hand...neither did this.


http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2019_33/2186641/171011-colin-kaepernick-ac-750p_7f5f471f85191c2220ad161cb8ee7e72.fit-760w.jpg


And the fact that it's been days now with no charges being filed, just adds to the general rage...of the difference in privilege.

Much like the Colonialists...against Britain.


.
All of us who are privileged to be white and in the villages for the most part financially secure, wonder why the black community doesn’t protest peacefully. I would submit that is exactly what Kaepernick was doing and yet you post a picture as if his protest was the same thing as those burning and looting. Darian is the real problem in this country.

[manaboutown]

There may have been a personal grudge...George Floyd & Fired Cop Worked Security Together at Club: Report (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-fired-cop-worked-security-together-club-report/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_campaign=lminetwork&utm_content=2020-05-29&fbclid=IwAR0cD4vwpRxZdzvPamgKgU7AnrbP2vy76UTQF6rgO 9na_334-dHhTSBKVbg)

[anothersteve]

There may have been a personal grudge...George Floyd & Fired Cop Worked Security Together at Club: Report (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-fired-cop-worked-security-together-club-report/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_campaign=lminetwork&utm_content=2020-05-29&fbclid=IwAR0cD4vwpRxZdzvPamgKgU7AnrbP2vy76UTQF6rgO 9na_334-dHhTSBKVbg)

Still no excuse if true, but interesting.

Steve

[manaboutown]

Just found another article. George Floyd, Arresting Officer Worked Together: Club Owner (https://www.ntd.com/george-floyd-arresting-officer-worked-together-club-owner_470669.html?fbclid=IwAR2Nf7v9F0oV4bbPx0AhnIL SaKNNcmGI45tl259x_ERVFstBLYUPnS7lTNM)

[manaboutown]

Still no excuse if true, but interesting.

Steve

If it was a personal grudge that may up the murder charge to a higher category, just saying...

That cop had a terrible record. The club owner also said she thought he used excessive force at times when he worked security at her club.

[anothersteve]

If it was a personal grudge that may up the murder charge to a higher category, just saying...


No argument here. Personal grudge and not racism, could be an interesting case.
Steve

[manaboutown]

No argument here. Personal grudge and not racism, could be an interesting case.
Steve

Could be both!

[GoodLife]

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

84330

[anothersteve]

Could be both!
Agreed
Steve

[manaboutown]

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

[golfing eagles]

There may have been a personal grudge...George Floyd & Fired Cop Worked Security Together at Club: Report (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-fired-cop-worked-security-together-club-report/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_campaign=lminetwork&utm_content=2020-05-29&fbclid=IwAR0cD4vwpRxZdzvPamgKgU7AnrbP2vy76UTQF6rgO 9na_334-dHhTSBKVbg)

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

84330

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

IF, and I mean IF both were true (grudge and death from intoxicants), which is usually a big IF, then which of the a$$h0!3 rioters and looters would be the first to apologize????

[Bay Kid]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1773335]Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings To Open A Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down

84330[/Q

Robbery is no excuse. Destroying property??? Ignorant actions. We look like a 3rd world country.

[Stu from NYC]

IF, and I mean IF both were true (grudge and death from intoxicants), which is usually a big IF, then which of the a$$h0!3 rioters and looters would be the first to apologize????

Dont hold your breath waiting on an apology. Terrible what the cop did but to destroy in the name of it is just wrong and the looters should be in jail and be fined in accordance with the damage they did.

[dewilson58]

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)


So the knee did not kill him??


When it states "restrained"..............is that handcuff restraint??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There may have been a personal grudge...George Floyd & Fired Cop Worked Security Together at Club: Report (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-fired-cop-worked-security-together-club-report/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=teaparty&utm_campaign=lminetwork&utm_content=2020-05-29&fbclid=IwAR0cD4vwpRxZdzvPamgKgU7AnrbP2vy76UTQF6rgO 9na_334-dHhTSBKVbg)

Just found another article. George Floyd, Arresting Officer Worked Together: Club Owner (https://www.ntd.com/george-floyd-arresting-officer-worked-together-club-owner_470669.html?fbclid=IwAR2Nf7v9F0oV4bbPx0AhnIL SaKNNcmGI45tl259x_ERVFstBLYUPnS7lTNM)

Medical Examiner: No Evidence George Floyd Died Of Strangulation; ‘Underlying Conditions,’ ‘Potential Intoxicants’ Likely Factors | The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/medical-examiner-no-evidence-george-floyd-died-of-strangulation-underlying-conditions-potential-intoxicants-a-factor-in-death?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fedup)

See here for actual information fact-checked:
Did George Floyd and Then-Officer Derek Chauvin Work Together in Minneapolis? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/)

As for the Daily Wire - they are not a reliable source of information. The "potential intoxicants" phrase was taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt. There is no evidence at this point that George Floyd was intoxicated at the time of his murder.

[ColdNoMore]

See here for actual information fact-checked:
Did George Floyd and Then-Officer Derek Chauvin Work Together in Minneapolis? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/)

As for the Daily Wire - they are not a reliable source of information. The "potential intoxicants" phrase was taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt. There is no evidence at this point that George Floyd was intoxicated at the time of his murder.

Given the importance of getting it right and the history of Minnesota's LEO community as a whole, I would like to see additional autopsies performed by out-of-state and uninvolved, highly-trained ME's...then let them make their findings as a group.

After all, what do we really know about the MN Medical Examiner... who put out this information?

No one who wants the actual truth...should have any problem with doing this.

[graciegirl]

On Friday and Saturday nights I watch Live PD. I watch it because it soothes something in myself to see an attempt to curb wrong doing and to stop bad things and to handle the sea of people who break the law and for whom the police are called. There are always about eight to ten police groups from all over the country and they change from time to time. It is edited so as you do not see horrible things and there is a pause in presentation, but it is an accurate view of what police officers are doing out "there" day in day out. One of the police groups it follows is in Lawrence, Indiana, a suburb of Indianapolis where we once lived. One of the police officers that is followed is a man called Charles Kingery. Here is a very honest sharing of his opinion on the George Floyd incident.

Tina Cafarelli - Charlie Kingery express his feelings of... (https://www.facebook.com/100005234976755/videos/1364527950398358/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTIzNDk3Njc1NTpWSzo2Mjg2MzQyMDQ0MTQzNz k/)

[manaboutown]

See here for actual information fact-checked:
Did George Floyd and Then-Officer Derek Chauvin Work Together in Minneapolis? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/)

As for the Daily Wire - they are not a reliable source of information. The "potential intoxicants" phrase was taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt. There is no evidence at this point that George Floyd was intoxicated at the time of his murder.

Snopes is not a reliable fact checker. It is well known to be a left wing biased site. The club owner herself was quoted in one article.

[John_W]

Given the importance of getting it right and the history of Minnesota's LEO community as a whole, I would like to see additional autopsies performed by out-of-state and uninvolved, highly-trained ME's...then let them make their findings as a group.

After all, what do we really know about the MN Medical Examiner... who put out this information?

No one who wants the actual truth...should have any problem with doing this.

https://www.naco.org/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/Baker%20Headshot.jpg?itok=aoxemM_L

Before you begin to defame a medical doctor's reputation, there is always Google.

ANDREW BAKER, BS, MD

Chief Medical Examiner Hennepin County (Minn.)
Dr. Baker has been a featured presenter at a National Institute of Justice sponsored event.

Andrew Baker, MD is a graduate of the University of Iowa. He completed his pathology residency at the University of Iowa, and a forensic pathology fellowship in Minneapolis. He is board-certified in anatomic, clinical, and forensic pathology. He is a fellow of the College of American Pathologists, the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and the National Association of Medical Examiners.

Dr. Baker has served as a guest lecturer at the US Army Judge Advocate General's School, the Naval Justice School, The University of Minnesota Law School, Hamline Law School, Harvard Law School, the Ontario Forensic Pathology Service, and the Royal College of Pathologists of Australasia.

Prior to practicing as a forensic pathologist with the Hennepin County Medical Examiner in Minneapolis, Dr. Baker served four years as a medical examiner in the US Air Force. He was appointed to the position of Chief Medical Examiner for Hennepin County in 2004, and was reappointed in 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Dr. Michael Baden to perform independent autopsy on George Floyd (https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/ex-nyc-medical-examiner-to-perform-autopsy-on-george-floyd/)

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/30/04/28996224-8371557-image-m-5_1590809707304.jpg

[ColdNoMore]

Given the importance of getting it right and the history of Minnesota's LEO community as a whole, I would like to see additional autopsies performed by out-of-state and uninvolved, highly-trained ME's...then let them make their findings as a group.

After all, what do we really know about the MN Medical Examiner... who put out this information?

No one who wants the actual truth...should have any problem with doing this.

I'll say it again. :ohdear:

[Heyitsrick]

See here for actual information fact-checked:
Did George Floyd and Then-Officer Derek Chauvin Work Together in Minneapolis? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauvin-floyd-club-employment/)

As for the Daily Wire - they are not a reliable source of information. The "potential intoxicants" phrase was taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt. There is no evidence at this point that George Floyd was intoxicated at the time of his murder.

Where is your contention coming from re: "taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt"?

Here's the exact quote, taken directly from the State of Minnesota complaint against the officer:

"The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

If you read the complaint, you'll see there are the body cam accounts of what happened. All of the "Floyd didn't resist..." comments we can all read in this forum are countered directly by the body cam footage - according to the complaint.

Apparently the officers involved tried several times to get Floyd into their squad car. Floyd resisted. He actively resisted being handcuffed, according to the complaint. He apparently started saying he couldn't breathe while still standing.

Continuing from the official complaint:

"The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds."

The defendant (officer) put him down on the ground and held him in place with the knee, as we all know.

If this complaint is reflecting actual audio as well as video, it's quite clear there is much more to this event than has been portrayed.

That said, does that exonerate the officer who restrained Floyd for many minutes - even after, apparently, no pulse could be determined? Absolutely not. And you won't find me making that case. But this is seemingly another event where first impressions aren't telling the whole story.

Here is the official Minnesota complaint with amplifying information about this incident: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

[manaboutown]

George Floyd Autopsy Finds No Evidence of Asphyxia or Strangulation, Family Plans Second Examination (https://www.westernjournal.com/george-floyd-autopsy-finds-no-evidence-asphyxia-strangulation-family-plans-second-examination/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=conservativetribune&utm_content=2020-05-30&utm_campaign=manualpost&fbclid=IwAR1i1dWmlZ9K24mBrH4Kiw7WMZD3jXQUdo9EFBBkl NqUokmf_DwcKUM5c8g)

[Velvet]

They might find that George Floyd actually died from Covid, but that does not change the fact that kneeing on him was not released when he couldn’t breathe.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where is your contention coming from re: "taken out of context, and included intentionally to muddy the facts of the murder with supposition and doubt"?

Here's the exact quote, taken directly from the State of Minnesota complaint against the officer:

"The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

If you read the complaint, you'll see there are the body cam accounts of what happened. All of the "Floyd didn't resist..." comments we can all read in this forum are countered directly by the body cam footage - according to the complaint.

Apparently the officers involved tried several times to get Floyd into their squad car. Floyd resisted. He actively resisted being handcuffed, according to the complaint. He apparently started saying he couldn't breathe while still standing.



That said, does that exonerate the officer who restrained Floyd for many minutes - even after, apparently, no pulse could be determined? Absolutely not. And you won't find me making that case. But this is seemingly another event where first impressions aren't telling the whole story.

Here is the official Minnesota complaint with amplifying information about this incident: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

Some people are concluding, wrongly, that the ME's determination was final and comprehensive, because some people are reading snippets with missing words - such as the ones in your quote that I bolded, italicized, and underlined.

People are basing their opinions on the falsehood that this PRELIMINARY, INCOMPLETE examination proved that...

1. George Floyd was able to resist AT THE TIME THE VIRAL VIDEO WAS RECORDED...
2. George Floyd was absolutely intoxicated...
3. George Floyd was a threat to the four officers,
4. Chauvin was the only one subduing George Floyd
5. Chauvin did what he was trained to do...
6. Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd
7. Chauvin didn't know Floyd was either dead OR unconscious and therefore incapable of knowing that he was trying to subdue a dead (or unconscious) man.

There are people basing their vilification of George Floyd and vindication of Chauvin on this preliminary, incomplete medical examination.

And there are people hopping on that bandwagon on purpose, spurring it on, encouraging people to vilify Floyd and vindicate Chauvin, because it helps them create the wars, riots, looting, hatred, division, and split from humanity that they are intentionally trying to create.

[manaboutown]

They might find that George Floyd actually died from Covid, but that does not change the fact that kneeing on him was not released when he couldn’t breathe.

If I were being strangled to the point I could not breath I doubt I could speak out and say "I can't breath." as that would be physically impossible for me to do.

From what I have read Floyd was saying he could not breath while he was still standing, before he was ever put down on the ground for not complying with the police instructing him to get into the back seat of their vehicle. Now all that being said, from the videos it does appear excessive force was used by placing the knee on his neck. Whether sufficient pressure was applied by the knee to strangle him will come out in the autopsies. All of the actual facts will come out in a trial, hopefully. Until then I am keeping an open mind.

[ColdNoMore]

And the feeble attempts to try and mitigate, what we all saw with our own eyes...continues. :oops:


Given that, just imagine if there was no video (which happens in so many other similar cases)...of this murder. :ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

Interesting to see what final autopsy report says and the results of the investigation.

[Velvet]

Interesting to see what final autopsy report says and the results of the investigation.

My guess is, it’ll say whatever is most expedient. Sorry, I’m a bit of a skeptic.

[ColdNoMore]

Decided to start a whole new thread, about the wife of the Minnesota officer charged with murder...filing for divorce.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/chauvins-wife-files-divorce-307028/


:popcorn:

[manaboutown]

Dont hold your breath waiting on an apology. Terrible what the cop did but to destroy in the name of it is just wrong and the looters should be in jail and be fined in accordance with the damage they did.

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings to Open a Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down (https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-firefighter-spent-his-life-savings-to-open-a-bar-then-minneapolis-looters-burned-it-down_3370509.html?fbclid=IwAR20NkwAqo8hUxkiZc7G9vV QybWJiMJRWhvwxBYmdQmU4vDDNxgK81og5YY)

[John_W]

Black Firefighter Spent His Life Savings to Open a Bar. Then Minneapolis Looters Burned It Down (https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-firefighter-spent-his-life-savings-to-open-a-bar-then-minneapolis-looters-burned-it-down_3370509.html?fbclid=IwAR20NkwAqo8hUxkiZc7G9vV QybWJiMJRWhvwxBYmdQmU4vDDNxgK81og5YY)

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2020/05/30/Minneapolis-firefighter-Korboi-Balla--700x420.jpg

A sports bar, he was achieving his dream by doing something he loved only to have it snatched away by self-serving people who hide behind the guise of a protest. Hopefully he has insurance, but probably didn't own the building. Which, might be a good thing since he'll probably need to relocate somewhere else, that is if he wants to pursue the idea again.

As former business owner myself, operating a restaurant/bar where alcohol is served and tempers can flare, is no easy task. From what I heard, it wasn't that bad an area of town. Too bad they don't destroy the bad areas of the city.

If that's not bad enough, one Federal cop killed and another wounded outside a courthouse in Oakland, CA.

Federal police officer shot dead, another wounded amid Oakland protests



https://media.nbcsandiego.com/2019/09/AP090321031438.jpg?fit=2204%2C1506

[Heyitsrick]

Some people are concluding, wrongly, that the ME's determination was final and comprehensive, because some people are reading snippets with missing words - such as the ones in your quote that I bolded, italicized, and underlined.

People are basing their opinions on the falsehood that this PRELIMINARY, INCOMPLETE examination proved that...

1. George Floyd was able to resist AT THE TIME THE VIRAL VIDEO WAS RECORDED...
2. George Floyd was absolutely intoxicated...
3. George Floyd was a threat to the four officers,
4. Chauvin was the only one subduing George Floyd
5. Chauvin did what he was trained to do...
6. Chauvin didn't kill George Floyd
7. Chauvin didn't know Floyd was either dead OR unconscious and therefore incapable of knowing that he was trying to subdue a dead (or unconscious) man.

There are people basing their vilification of George Floyd and vindication of Chauvin on this preliminary, incomplete medical examination.

And there are people hopping on that bandwagon on purpose, spurring it on, encouraging people to vilify Floyd and vindicate Chauvin, because it helps them create the wars, riots, looting, hatred, division, and split from humanity that they are intentionally trying to create.

Who, exactly, are you talking about? People here in this forum? I don't know who's vindicating any of the officers. But it's clear, now, that Floyd did resist arrest - contrary to many of the comments I've seen up until now. And no, before anyone asks, he absolutely didn't deserve to die for that. But it is part of the story, just like all of the other evidence.

As for the Medical Examiner, I'm not sure why he would release any preliminary findings unless he was absolutely sure of that much that he was reporting. To be wrong about those findings would be terrible. If you're not 100% sure about what you're releasing to the public, keep your mouth shut. Since the ME hasn't kept quiet on that front, I'm going to assume (yeah, I know...) he's done his work on that score. Time will tell.

But getting back to your comments, who - specifically - are these people you're speaking of?

[graciegirl]

Hating people because of race is wrong. Hating people because they are law enforcement is wrong. Both are wrong and I won't buy into either of those prejudices.
One person is delighted that the man is having his wife leave him. We are told not to bring up past deeds of one but it is o.k. to do that with the other? We are told not to judge one but it is o.k. to judge the other? No one reading this thread would wish death to anyone. Anyone. Ever. On purpose. Harm to people we don't know and never met.

Or are there some who would?? That is ugly.

[ColdNoMore]

Hating people because of race is wrong. Hating people because they are law enforcement is wrong. Both are wrong and I won't buy into either of those prejudices.
One person is delighted that the man is having his wife leave him. We are told not to bring up past deeds of one but it is o.k. to do that with the other? We are told not to judge one but it is o.k. to judge the other? No one reading this thread would wish death to anyone. Anyone. Ever. On purpose. Harm to people we don't know and never met.

Or are there some who would?? That is ugly.
You're obviously referencing me and that's an outright lie that I'm "delighted" she is divorcing him...of which lying is also ugly.

Then again, lying has become quite acceptable with a lot of people in the last few years...and that's the truth. :ohdear:

I simply mention it because there's a possibility we may find out more...as to the murdering cop's intentions.

Then again...we might not. :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Who, exactly, are you talking about? People here in this forum? I don't know who's vindicating any of the officers. But it's clear, now, that Floyd did resist arrest - contrary to many of the comments I've seen up until now. And no, before anyone asks, he absolutely didn't deserve to die for that. But it is part of the story, just like all of the other evidence.

As for the Medical Examiner, I'm not sure why he would release any preliminary findings unless he was absolutely sure of that much that he was reporting. To be wrong about those findings would be terrible. If you're not 100% sure about what you're releasing to the public, keep your mouth shut. Since the ME hasn't kept quiet on that front, I'm going to assume (yeah, I know...) he's done his work on that score. Time will tell.

But getting back to your comments, who - specifically - are these people you're speaking of?

I'm talking about the nature of this thread, in general, and the underlying root of the attitudes toward the subject.

The underlying root is the prevalence of conspiracy theory, misdirection, bait and switch, out-and-out lies, innuendos, conveniently missing bits of information, and intentional deflection of the crux of the matter, ALL OVER THE INTERNET that leads otherwise intelligent people to look elsewhere while an injustice is done.

The facts: All kinds of things might have happened before the video tape started at second #1. Floyd might have resisted mightily. That's fine and well, and everyone who thinks this happened is 100% correct. Hypothetically - Floyd was a regular POS who was aggressive and violent and horrible.

NOW LET THAT GO because it has NOTHING to do with the video.

The video shows that this man had ALREADY been subdued. He was unarmed. Not merely "disarmed" - but UNarmed, meaning he had no weapon from the start, according to the police reports. He was already handcuffed. He was already on the ground, face down. He had one cop sitting on his legs. Another on his back. A third on his neck. He was INCAPABLE of resisting anything, at the point this video was taken.

He was helpless.

According to reports he had been complaining all along that he couldn't breath. It was clear in the video that he was, in fact, having trouble breathing.

These ex-police officers refused to let up. Chauvin even kept his knee on the guy's neck AFTER someone checked Floyd's pulse and proclaimed there was no pulse.

He didn't just keep it on his neck - he kept it there for a good couple of minutes.

THESE are the facts that are pertinent to the thread. Not that Floyd resisted arrests some time BEFORE that 10-minute video was shot.

What is pertinent to the thread is everything that occurred DURING the time frame of that video.

Everything else is a distraction away from this, and an attempt to minimize the horrendous, atrocious, monstrous crime that Chauvin committed against George Floyd.

[Love2Swim]

I'm talking about the nature of this thread, in general, and the underlying root of the attitudes toward the subject.

The underlying root is the prevalence of conspiracy theory, misdirection, bait and switch, out-and-out lies, innuendos, conveniently missing bits of information, and intentional deflection of the crux of the matter, ALL OVER THE INTERNET that leads otherwise intelligent people to look elsewhere while an injustice is done.

The facts: All kinds of things might have happened before the video tape started at second #1. Floyd might have resisted mightily. That's fine and well, and everyone who thinks this happened is 100% correct. Hypothetically - Floyd was a regular POS who was aggressive and violent and horrible.

NOW LET THAT GO because it has NOTHING to do with the video.

The video shows that this man had ALREADY been subdued. He was unarmed. Not merely "disarmed" - but UNarmed, meaning he had no weapon from the start, according to the police reports. He was already handcuffed. He was already on the ground, face down. He had one cop sitting on his legs. Another on his back. A third on his neck. He was INCAPABLE of resisting anything, at the point this video was taken.

He was helpless.

According to reports he had been complaining all along that he couldn't breath. It was clear in the video that he was, in fact, having trouble breathing.

These ex-police officers refused to let up. Chauvin even kept his knee on the guy's neck AFTER someone checked Floyd's pulse and proclaimed there was no pulse.

He didn't just keep it on his neck - he kept it there for a good couple of minutes.

THESE are the facts that are pertinent to the thread. Not that Floyd resisted arrests some time BEFORE that 10-minute video was shot.

What is pertinent to the thread is everything that occurred DURING the time frame of that video.

Everything else is a distraction away from this, and an attempt to minimize the horrendous, atrocious, monstrous crime that Chauvin committed against George Floyd.

Amen.

[Heyitsrick]

I'm talking about the nature of this thread, in general, and the underlying root of the attitudes toward the subject.

The underlying root is the prevalence of conspiracy theory, misdirection, bait and switch, out-and-out lies, innuendos, conveniently missing bits of information, and intentional deflection of the crux of the matter, ALL OVER THE INTERNET that leads otherwise intelligent people to look elsewhere while an injustice is done.

The facts: All kinds of things might have happened before the video tape started at second #1. Floyd might have resisted mightily. That's fine and well, and everyone who thinks this happened is 100% correct. Hypothetically - Floyd was a regular POS who was aggressive and violent and horrible.

NOW LET THAT GO because it has NOTHING to do with the video.

(snip)

What is pertinent to the thread is everything that occurred DURING the time frame of that video.

Everything else is a distraction away from this, and an attempt to minimize the horrendous, atrocious, monstrous crime that Chauvin committed against George Floyd.

I'm curious where any one individual here can make claim on what's pertinent to the thread and what's a distraction. I'll push back on those kinds of assertions every single time. Threads are conversations that frequently become more broad-based as the discussion moves along.

I went back and reread all of the comments here. I read quite a few diversions from "what's pertinent", like Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, and Chauvin's wife filing for divorce. Yeah, pertinent stuff. I've read comments from people here who label anyone a racist who simply asks to wait and see what an actual investigation and trial turns up. I read where one individual called another an outright liar, and that same individual claimed that we're all (well, except for him, apparently) essentially complicit in Chauvin's act. The frequent retort from this individual is that any comment not toeing his line is merely "obfuscation". Moreover, I'm left with the impression that there are "some" who are hoping that the Medical Examiner's preliminary findings are wrong. Why? How about the truth, whatever that turns out to be?

I'm not here to vindicate any of these officers. From everything I know and have read and seen, at the very least Chauvin has to be tried on manslaughter charges for extremely reckless behavior. If it can be determined that this was a deliberate hate crime, then obviously the charges increase - as they should. My guess is the other officers there will not escape criminal charges.

But this notion that the video is the be all and end all of history surrounding this incident is clearly mistaken. And how do I know that? Because the criminal complaint against Chauvin says as much. It details what took place before the viral video. Nothing happened in a vacuum. And no, that does not in any way vindicate nor exonerate Chauvin. But it tells the story of how this all happened.

Some people couldn't care less, I guess. "It's the video, stupid!" I'd like to know what actually led up to this tragedy. And why could that be important? First, to establish the facts. Second, to train future officers on what to do and what NOT to do in any similar set of circumstances. Third, to the extent possible, to try to ascertain why an officer or officers could be in a law enforcement position if they are clearly not suited for it by their actions, their biases and their own work history.

And you know who else wants to know what happened? A court of law. Chauvin's case isn't only going to entail the video moments. It's going to outline the timeline of what occurred prior to that. The complaint against Chauvin says as much. I read one comment here that suggested that we need a speedy trial because otherwise things might get swept under the rug. I actually want the legal system to work.

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I'm curious where any one individual here can make claim on what's pertinent to the thread and what's a distraction. I'll push back on those kinds of assertions every single time. Threads are conversations that frequently become more broad-based as the discussion moves along.

I went back and reread all of the comments here. I read quite a few diversions from "what's pertinent", like Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, and Chauvin's wife filing for divorce. Yeah, pertinent stuff. I've read comments from people here who label anyone a racist who simply asks to wait and see what an actual investigation and trial turns up. I read where one individual called another an outright liar, and that same individual claimed that we're all (well, except for him, apparently) essentially complicit in Chauvin's act. The frequent retort from this individual is that any comment not toeing his line is merely "obfuscation". Moreover, I'm left with the impression that there are "some" who are hoping that the Medical Examiner's preliminary findings are wrong. Why? How about the truth, whatever that turns out to be?

I'm not here to vindicate any of these officers. From everything I know and have read and seen, at the very least Chauvin has to be tried on manslaughter charges for extremely reckless behavior. If it can be determined that this was a deliberate hate crime, then obviously the charges increase - as they should. My guess is the other officers there will not escape criminal charges.

But this notion that the video is the be all and end all of history surrounding this incident is clearly mistaken. And how do I know that? Because the criminal complaint against Chauvin says as much. It details what took place before the viral video. Nothing happened in a vacuum. And no, that does not in any way vindicate nor exonerate Chauvin. But it tells the story of how this all happened.

Some people couldn't care less, I guess. "It's the video, stupid!" I'd like to know what actually led up to this tragedy. And why could that be important? First, to establish the facts. Second, to train future officers on what to do and what NOT to do in any similar set of circumstances. Third, to the extent possible, to try to ascertain why an officer or officers could be in a law enforcement position if they are clearly not suited for it by their actions, their biases and their own work history.

And you know who else wants to know what happened? A court of law. Chauvin's case isn't only going to entail the video moments. It's going to outline the timeline of what occurred prior to that. The complaint against Chauvin says as much. I read one comment here that suggested that we need a speedy trial because otherwise things might get swept under the rug. I actually want the legal system to work.


Your an extremely smart person, how refreshing to read a post from a person with a limited amount of them. Dont let none of the forum regulars knock you down. Im impressed and refreshed.

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I'm curious where any one individual here can make claim on what's pertinent to the thread and what's a distraction. I'll push back on those kinds of assertions every single time. Threads are conversations that frequently become more broad-based as the discussion moves along.

I went back and reread all of the comments here. I read quite a few diversions from "what's pertinent", like Colin Kaepernick's kneeling, and Chauvin's wife filing for divorce. Yeah, pertinent stuff. I've read comments from people here who label anyone a racist who simply asks to wait and see what an actual investigation and trial turns up. I read where one individual called another an outright liar, and that same individual claimed that we're all (well, except for him, apparently) essentially complicit in Chauvin's act. The frequent retort from this individual is that any comment not toeing his line is merely "obfuscation". Moreover, I'm left with the impression that there are "some" who are hoping that the Medical Examiner's preliminary findings are wrong. Why? How about the truth, whatever that turns out to be?

I'm not here to vindicate any of these officers. From everything I know and have read and seen, at the very least Chauvin has to be tried on manslaughter charges for extremely reckless behavior. If it can be determined that this was a deliberate hate crime, then obviously the charges increase - as they should. My guess is the other officers there will not escape criminal charges.

But this notion that the video is the be all and end all of history surrounding this incident is clearly mistaken. And how do I know that? Because the criminal complaint against Chauvin says as much. It details what took place before the viral video. Nothing happened in a vacuum. And no, that does not in any way vindicate nor exonerate Chauvin. But it tells the story of how this all happened.

Some people couldn't care less, I guess. "It's the video, stupid!" I'd like to know what actually led up to this tragedy. And why could that be important? First, to establish the facts. Second, to train future officers on what to do and what NOT to do in any similar set of circumstances. Third, to the extent possible, to try to ascertain why an officer or officers could be in a law enforcement position if they are clearly not suited for it by their actions, their biases and their own work history.

And you know who else wants to know what happened? A court of law. Chauvin's case isn't only going to entail the video moments. It's going to outline the timeline of what occurred prior to that. The complaint against Chauvin says as much. I read one comment here that suggested that we need a speedy trial because otherwise things might get swept under the rug. I actually want the legal system to work.

Well said