Pet Peeves

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Oh my I’m so sad for you . Please call the family I’m sure it’s there fault .

[John_W]

...I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

Not that "Good Golf School" is the be-all to end-all, in fact a little more could be included about the etiquette problems you bring up. They do discuss raking traps, where to park your cart, and the intent of the beacons in front of the greens, and then mostly about how to make a reservation.

To improve that program and then to make it mandatory for a residents to have taken the three hour class before playing is something that TV should consider. I took the class about two months after moving here. I've been playing since 1962, so there wasn't much new for me, but I did learn some of local procedures, such as how to return the rake to the bunker. That's the place where we can start in educating the public.

Good Golf School - The Villages (https://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/GoodGolfSchool.pdf)

[timinthevillages]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.

[BamaBoy451]

The good golf class should have been a mandatory requirement prior to being allowed to make a tee time. I can't count how much poor etiquette I witness every time I play. We were playing yesterday and talk about a slow group. These clowns were sometimes taking 3 tee offs each and it didn't help the person trying to tee off was constantly interrupted by the other giving a biblical speech so loud we could hear them a hole away. They then had to shout their scores across the green rather than waiting to group back at the tee boxes since two were walking. We held it together thou.:pray:

[Bjeanj]

Print this out and hand out to people you play with, or ask to leave at starter shack.
10 Rules for Good Golf Etiquette (https://www.peakgolf.ca/blog/10-rules-for-good-golf-etiquette)


1. Don't be a distraction.

Don't move or make noise when someone close to you is setting up or swinging. The slightest movement or noise can distract the golfer.

2. Have your own clubs.

Players should take their own clubs on the course instead of borrowing from someone else. Purchase some cheap clubs if needed so you don't have to borrow any.

3. Don't make people wait for you to swing.

Keep an eye on the action and step up to the ball when it is your turn.

4. Keep the course looking nice.

Repair divots and ball marks, and rake sand bunkers when you play.

5. Don't walk on putting lines.

Putting lines are the imaginary lines that connect the hole and the ball. Avoid walking on them at all costs.

6. Only spend five minutes looking for lost balls.

If you can't find your ball, you have five minutes before declaring it lost. Then, hit your provisional ball.

7. Be a grownup.

You have probably seen people throw clubs, swear, or yell during a missed shot. That is bad etiquette and should be avoided.

8. Play in the right order.

The person who is furthest away from the pin should hit first. In addition, whoever wins the hole gets to tee off first at the next one.

9. Follow cart rules.

Each course has its own set of rules governing golf carts, and rules might change at a moment's notice. Pay attention to cart path only and 90-degree rules.

10. Get there early.

If you schedule a tee time, you need to get there early so you can get your equipment ready. Then, you need to tee off on time.

[manaboutown]

Some of what you mention, OP, is plain common sense. Even an inexperienced golfer should get it.

I run into lack of gym etiquette as well. Usually it is people who have never worked out in a gym before.

[Stu from NYC]

Do not think I will take up golf again, people do take it too seriously, think if you do not know the others in the group a one minute conversation is in order

[BamaBoy451]

What tickles me are the ones who don't spend any time preparing ahead of the tee time and only worry about when they can get out and their game ends up sucking!

[ColdNoMore]

We usually get...what we pay for.

Since executive courses are free (if you walk), I wouldn't expect the level of clientele...to change much.

And since so many people who have never played show up on the exec's, maybe figure out a way to speak up (instead of posting here, where no one will see themselves as being part of the problem) and politely tell them what you expect...and what good golf etiquette entails?

Maybe even get a bunch of "good golf" pamphlets...and hand them out to your group?

[ColdNoMore]

Print this out and hand out to people you play with, or ask to leave at starter shack.
10 Rules for Good Golf Etiquette (https://www.peakgolf.ca/blog/10-rules-for-good-golf-etiquette)


1. Don't be a distraction.

Don't move or make noise when someone close to you is setting up or swinging. The slightest movement or noise can distract the golfer.

2. Have your own clubs.

Players should take their own clubs on the course instead of borrowing from someone else. Purchase some cheap clubs if needed so you don't have to borrow any.

3. Don't make people wait for you to swing.

Keep an eye on the action and step up to the ball when it is your turn.

4. Keep the course looking nice.

Repair divots and ball marks, and rake sand bunkers when you play.

5. Don't walk on putting lines.

Putting lines are the imaginary lines that connect the hole and the ball. Avoid walking on them at all costs.

6. Only spend five minutes looking for lost balls.

If you can't find your ball, you have five minutes before declaring it lost. Then, hit your provisional ball.

7. Be a grownup.

You have probably seen people throw clubs, swear, or yell during a missed shot. That is bad etiquette and should be avoided.

8. Play in the right order.

The person who is furthest away from the pin should hit first. In addition, whoever wins the hole gets to tee off first at the next one.

9. Follow cart rules.

Each course has its own set of rules governing golf carts, and rules might change at a moment's notice. Pay attention to cart path only and 90-degree rules.

10. Get there early.

If you schedule a tee time, you need to get there early so you can get your equipment ready. Then, you need to tee off on time.

Excellent idea. :thumbup:

[JoMar]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.

If it's your group and a single joins it would be great if you told the single that is how your group plays, they then would have the option to drop out. Having a good time is what it's all about and if the game isn't important to you then make sure those that join you know that. Of course I guess that means that when any of your group is putting or getting ready to hit that single player can break out in song and you are ok with that right?

[villagetinker]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?

[timinthevillages]

If it's your group and a single joins it would be great if you told the single that is how your group plays, they then would have the option to drop out. Having a good time is what it's all about and if the game isn't important to you then make sure those that join you know that. Of course I guess that means that when any of your group is putting or getting ready to hit that single player can break out in song and you are ok with that right?
Yes to both. But you'd better have a good voice and pick a good song or you'll be fun of. That's just how it is.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?

After hitting, drive your cart in the rough to the point of your ball, turn 90 degrees onto the fairway. This save wear on the fairways.

What Is the 90-Degree Rule for Golf Carts? (https://www.liveabout.com/90-degree-rule-1560732)

[timinthevillages]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?
Stay on the cart path until your 90 degrees to your ball then you can drive on the course. We may play fast and loose with etiquette and the rules but always respect the course. And while I'm at it keep up with group in front of you and play from the tees that you can reach a par3 in one shot. Not that any cares or should care for that matter but those are my pet peeves.

[villagetinker]

Thank you, I have been doing this right, just did not recognize the term, now if I could just figure out how to hit the ball..........

[Stu from NYC]

Thank you, I have been doing this right, just did not recognize the term, now if I could just figure out how to hit the ball..........

or use the foot club

[dewilson58]

I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.


mostly since it won't do any good.

[Bjeanj]

or use the foot club

No no no! Use the correct club! In this case, it would be the one-armed wedge!

[John_W]

Thank you, I have been doing this right, just did not recognize the term, now if I could just figure out how to hit the ball..........

When we start getting more rain, you'll hear the starters give instructions like today is rough only, or we are cart path only. I always hate cart path only, especially when it's the entire 18 holes because the cart path is on just one side of the fairway. More often, it's used only on certain holes and they'll give you a cheat sheet or mark them on the score card, such as #6 is cart path only.

Rough only gives you the option of either side for parking. Those two you don't go on the fairway, you park and walk to your ball while carrying a couple of clubs. 90 degree rule you can go to your ball, but try and stay on the cart path as long as possible. Many times the normal fairway entry points from the cart path will little stakes to keep you from driving off the path too soon.

Rough only, park and walk to your ball

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During the very dry seasons, some courses will make this a seasonal rule.

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[ONTAP15]

I go out as a single all the time, and have never run into something like this....It must have been ur unlucky day...You are a very good writer, if I may add..

[Rwirish]

Perhaps your groups should learn proper golf etiquette. Have fun yes, behave like you are on a golf course.

[Tim Ringler]

It's not about golf....it's all about lunch. TV golf courses are not for real golfers.

[Neils]

Hi Tiger. Could we please get your autograph??

[MandoMan]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

All good points. Sometimes you just have to explain it carefully to people. These are all things I learned before I even played my first game, just from reading about the game, but some people don’t read the directions and need things explained. If they just want to chat, they should lay on the lanai and hoist a few.

[maggie1]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?

This is usually a requirement for the golf cart to stay on the cart path, and only be driven onto the course 90 degrees from the path to your ball. This restriction is most often put in place if the course is wet, and subject to ruts made by cart tires. In those instances where the course is extremely wet, you might be limited to cart path only, and will need to walk to your ball from the path.

[danglanzsr]

The ninety degree rule is to stay on the cart path, not the rough, until you are abreast your ball and then go directly to your ball and return to the path after taking the shot. In practice, most players assume the 90 degree rule is equivalent to "scatter", which means you are allowed to drive on the grass.

You should be aware that carts are not allowed anywhere on the grass on any par three hole unless you are disabled and must drive to the ball.

On holes where you are allowed on the grass, there is usually a short green and white stake on the edge of the fairway near the cart path. That is where you are required to get off the grass.

Finally, I was a play manager at a country club for about seven years before coming to The Villages. The superintendent told me players should not ride in the rough. The fairway is tended with great care and is far healthier and stronger than the rough. If you have played on a lot of fine courses, you would discover many of them have designated entry points to the grass and require players to stay on the fairway, not the rough.

[jedalton]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.
everyone should be required to attend good golf school before being allowed to play golf here.

[DrBrutyle109]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.
nobody says you have to play like you’re on tour, but you could at least observe some etiquette for the single when that person is playing their shots. After that enjoy

[golfing eagles]

everyone should be required to attend good golf school before being allowed to play golf here.

Disagree with the term "everyone". I can only speak for myself, but I've played golf for 51 years. I played on my HS team and my college team. I've played amateur tours and pro-ams. At my (younger) best, I was a +2 handicap. I pretty much know all the rules of golf and all the etiquette. I've played in TV for 6 years now. So tell me why I should be REQUIRED to sit in a class with those that are new to the game and don't know the difference between a club and a ball???? I would be better off practicing putting. I'm sure there are many others who have similar golf experience and would be wasting their time in "good golf" class. (BTW, is this the same class that tells you it is OK to move your ball out of a bunker, improve your lie in the fairway or rough, or take 5 foot gimmes ? If so, they should change the name from "good golf" to good "whatever the heck game you are playing"

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Not that "Good Golf School" is the be-all to end-all, in fact a little more could be included about the etiquette problems you bring up. They do discuss raking traps, where to park your cart, and the intent of the beacons in front of the greens, and then mostly about how to make a reservation.

To improve that program and then to make it mandatory for a residents to have taken the three hour class before playing is something that TV should consider. I took the class about two months after moving here. I've been playing since 1962, so there wasn't much new for me, but I did learn some of local procedures, such as how to return the rake to the bunker. That's the place where we can start in educating the public.

Good Golf School - The Villages (https://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/GoodGolfSchool.pdf)

I would be willing to take the class and I can safely say that I don't need to.

I haven't taken it but I've heard, as you say that it is mostly about how to make tee times.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.

While that's certainly fine when you're with like minded people, there is a code of etiquette that has been around golf for centuries and is accepted by almost all golfers. In fact there are even a few pages in the rule book about it.

It's not about one person adapting to a group or the group adapting to one person. It's about people having respect for one another. It's about adapting to long standing customs that have been around the game of golf for centuries.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Oh my I’m so sad for you . Please call the family I’m sure it’s there fault .

Ahh.... a note of sarcasm from someone that I'm sure has a long standing history playing golf.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?

When your ball is in play, you take your cart to a point where the ball is and drive 90 degrees to the direction of the hole to your ball. In other words, you are taking to shortest distance from the cart path to your ball in order to minimize the damage that a cart does to the golf course.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If it's your group and a single joins it would be great if you told the single that is how your group plays, they then would have the option to drop out. Having a good time is what it's all about and if the game isn't important to you then make sure those that join you know that. Of course I guess that means that when any of your group is putting or getting ready to hit that single player can break out in song and you are ok with that right?

No one should have to drop out of a group because other people can't follow the rules.

If people want to talk and move while other's in their group are playing, that's all well and fine. They can also be respectful while a stranger is playing. It only takes 20 seconds or so to hit a ball. I don't think that it's too much to ask for people to be respectful for fifteen minutes 30 or so times in an hour and a half.

[stadry]

good post on the 'golf school',,, i was ignorant of it til now but believe many won't bother - we shall attend,,, thanks !

exec courses - probably lots of hackers compared to champ courses so expect less boorish behavior on champs - execs are free so nothing invested

has never bothered me to advise gorillas of ill-mannered actions IF its true, annoying, or flagrant violation of golf rules,,, how many people now wear soft cleats because so many couldn't be bothered to pick up their feet when they walked on the greens ?

[allenbccs]

I am trying to improve my game. Without golf etiquette, it is difficult to focus. With golf etiquette, you won’t be waiting to tee off as long and your game will improve which will make the round go faster and more people can play. I mostly would like to have people keep quiet when necessary. I can live with all the rest.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

For people that are having trouble understanding this, for a golfer this is the same as having people talking and being loud in a movie theater while you're trying to watch a movie. If you complain about it, they respond, "This is the way that our group watches a movie. We talk about all throughout the movie and if that bothers you, leave".

[mgkw1]

Change to the Championship courses.

[coconutmama]

Totally agree. Good Golf school should be required.

Not shooting into those playing ahead of you is also a concern to me. Dangerous. See it quite a bit, especially in the winter months when those new to the game are on the courses more often

[joseppe]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.

Sounds like you have no interest in the game of golf. If just your group there's no issue as long as you do not hold up play for others, rake bunkers, repair ball marks and fix divots. If you're not going to respect the game or the course why play golf? Even a single outsider joining your group deserves the courtesy of your at least respecting his game and his right to enjoy the game in the manner prescribed by golf etiquette and the rules of golf.

[joseppe]

Disagree with the term "everyone". I can only speak for myself, but I've played golf for 51 years. I played on my HS team and my college team. I've played amateur tours and pro-ams. At my (younger) best, I was a +2 handicap. I pretty much know all the rules of golf and all the etiquette. I've played in TV for 6 years now. So tell me why I should be REQUIRED to sit in a class with those that are new to the game and don't know the difference between a club and a ball???? I would be better off practicing putting. I'm sure there are many others who have similar golf experience and would be wasting their time in "good golf" class. (BTW, is this the same class that tells you it is OK to move your ball out of a bunker, improve your lie in the fairway or rough, or take 5 foot gimmes ? If so, they should change the name from "good golf" to good "whatever the heck game you are playing"

Because you might learn about local rules and customs? When you have a group of new golfers as the group ahead of you, you will appreciate the teaching of it being OK to improve you lie, and take gimmes. It speeds the play along so that experienced golfers like yourself won't have to wait as long for the group ahead.

[Jeanette.U]

Wait a minute...aren’t you the same guy who found the female announcers excitement extremely annoying (during Space X/NASA launch)

[nancymiller217@yahoo.com]

Ok, question here. I know we are supposed to play “ready golf” so in my understanding if someone is raking the bunker or looking for their ball, or overshot and had to walk a distance for their ball, other players who were ready were supposed to shoot, even if the delayed player was further away. Is that not the rule when “serious players” join your group?

[RDhot]

Perhaps you could’ve asked or told them not to do the things that they were doing. That way they would have learned and you would have not had a problem

[Scudder]

The lost ball rule is now three minutes not five thank goodness

[RDhot]

There is a certain level of etiquette and decorum expected on a golf course. You don’t get to hold up the rest of the people because you don’t want to play by the rules.

[ts12755]

Remember 80% of the players here are just having fun and camaraderie. Their Pro years are over. I'd recommend since you are so good that you play on the championship courses.

[b0bd0herty]

Where is the fault?

[John_W]

You need to just go play by yourself. You’re taking it way too seriously. I’m not surprised though! It seems that out on this ‘talk of the villages’ there are so many people that are just looking for reasons to be offended. I guess this gives them a venue to do that. Excessive whining every day! Yes I know, I have the option to just stop reading it!

In your comments directed toward Winston the OP, I think you're way off base. He would fit in our group very easily, we have a threesome and in the winter a foursome. We're not the greatest group, but one member shot 73 yesterday at Mallory and a 70 last week at Bonifay from the while tees. I shoot about 80 and the current third member shoots low 80's.

Once you know the golf etiquette, it's like driving a car, it will become automatic. We do play ready golf, we almost never have honors on the tee, we generally hit in the same order everytime or whoever is ready. We all have our own rangefinders, I wear one on my wrist, so it's right there with me. My cart has two sand bottles, so the passenger doesn't have to walk around the cart to get a bottle. Yes, you fill your divots with sand, it's not a big deal, the sand is free.

I've been playing with the same neighbor since 2012, but in 2011 before than, I did once play with a group of 20. They were the Buttonwood group. They were very casual, but they all followed the rules. It was a fun group and yet they knew how to play. It was also the first time I broke 80 at TV from the blue tees. Good etiquette inspires good golf.

[DonH57]

Totally agree. Good Golf school should be required.

Not shooting into those playing ahead of you is also a concern to me. Dangerous. See it quite a bit, especially in the winter months when those new to the game are on the courses more often

Our group have had that happen to us as well, usually during the winter months. We had one group shoot on to us as we were trying to walk off the green. We informed the ambassador since it happened twice. They apparently scrambled off the course before he could get to them.:duck:

[DonH57]

The lost ball rule is now three minutes not five thank goodness

That's a whole 2 minutes I lose on every hole trying to find that ProV1 or Callaway ERC that I didn't lose to begin with, dang it.:1rotfl:

[stadry]

Totally agree. Good Golf school should be required.

Not shooting into those playing ahead of you is also a concern to me. Dangerous. See it quite a bit, especially in the winter months when those new to the game are on the courses more often

this 1's easily resolved,,, you hit the ball back to them & motion them to wait,,, unfortunately i have to wait often - not that my balls get the distance they did 50yrs ago BUT, now & then, i do hit that 1 shot that makes the round worthwhile,,, in our league, we've kind of lapsed yelling 'fore' because: 1, voices lose strength as we age; & 2, most of our guys wear hearing aids but turn them down :-)

[John_W]

this 1's easily resolved,,, you hit the ball back to them & motion them to wait,,, unfortunately i have to wait often - not that my balls get the distance they did 50yrs ago BUT, now & then, i do hit that 1 shot that makes the round worthwhile,,, in our league, we've kind of lapsed yelling 'fore' because: 1, voices lose strength as we age; & 2, most of our guys wear hearing aids but turn them down :-)

I made a mistake about ten years ago. I was playing Aberdeen Proving Ground Golf Course in Aberdeen Maryland. I hadn't played in a few years and took the game back up in 2009. Ahead of us was group of women and I thought they were well out of the way. I connected on a drive that landed right behind the women in a golf cart that was beginning to move, and took one hop and landed in the back of their cart. They didn't stop, turn around, or do anything. I thought, I'm lucky, they didn't notice. Then I thought, should I ask for my ball back, no I'll just take a drop. That the last time I ever did that.

I always thought that was one of best scenes in the movie Sideways, when Thomas Hayden Church and Paul Giamanti are playing golf and the group behind them hit into them. Of course, they were standing in the fairway talking about their lovelife. Thomas (Jack) hits the ball back and makes a perfect shot, when they don't react quick enough, he grabs his driver and chases them down the fairway. One of my favorite movies.

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[DON10E]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

I feel for you. When I play I do take it seriously, but not too seriously. I’m competing against myself and want to do well. That doesn’t mean throwing clubs or a stream of curses if I blow a shot. Those folks would surely stick to championship courses and not spend much time on executive courses.

I think many executive course players are new to golf, so they may just not know what the courtesy rules are. I’d suggest you politely ask for their cooperation rather than suffer through nine holes. They may just not realize they’re doing anything wrong. I find most people try to be considerate if they can.

I frequently play as a single, often alone. Please feel free to contact me and maybe we can connect for the executive or even the championship courses. Seriously. But not too seriously. 😊

[salgent]

This will continue so you will have to get used to it, more homes sold, new residents who bring their own habits with them.

[DON10E]

Ok, question here. I know we are supposed to play “ready golf” so in my understanding if someone is raking the bunker or looking for their ball, or overshot and had to walk a distance for their ball, other players who were ready were supposed to shoot, even if the delayed player was further away. Is that not the rule when “serious players” join your group?

Courses set their rules. If the course wants ready golf all players should try to comply. Nobody likes a 2 hour/5 1/2 hour round. At least I don‘t.

Golfers who don’t want to comply with the rules of the course should play elsewhere.

[Albany]

Many golfers in TV only play the executive courses and were not golfers in their former lives. They have no idea of the rules of etiquette. Don't shoot them a look, ask them politely not to talk while you are taking a shot. Educate them nicely about walking on your line and casting a shadow on your shot. You can always just say "please guys...." It's golf, not curing cancer. If you can't stand it, play the championship courses where in general there is more golf knowledge.

[EviesGP]

Sorry for you, Winston. Both of your experience on the course, as well as, here, with the 'usual suspects' and their comments. It's just plain courtesy and respect, period. I don't think anything you posted was extreme. Cheers!

[fdpaq0580]

While that's certainly fine when you're with like minded people, there is a code of etiquette that has been around golf for centuries and is accepted by almost all golfers. In fact there are even a few pages in the rule book about it.

It's not about one person adapting to a group or the group adapting to one person. It's about people having respect for one another. It's about adapting to long standing customs that have been around the game of golf for centuries.

Agree with you. The code of etiquette is also mostly just good manners and respect for others. Also agree with Golfingeagles point that not everyone needs golf class.
Although I was never very good, I still enjoyed playing for many reasons. My father learned from a real pro who taught him all the rules. Dad taught me, using that teaching as re-enforcement for his own game. Because of his business relationships, he was able to play many exclusive course, occasionally I got to go along. Good manners, etiquette and sportsmanship was drummed in.
However, I realize that many, if not most, never had the benefit of instruction by a real pro. I also realise there are a lot of folks (duffers) who are well past their best years or are new to the game and just want to have fun but don't have a clue about golf etiquette. players also pressure of "ready or hurry up golf" which pushes players to keep moving that negatively impacts their game.
So, since not everyone moves at the same speed or has the same skills, perhaps it might be advisable to have players skills and type of game made known to those setting tee times so that players may be grouped with players of abilities and play attitude as their own. How to accomplish this, I don't know, but if it could be done there would be less folks having bad days on the course.

[Fred2016]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

Start talking when they are about to hit.

[Jazzman]

good post on the 'golf school',,, i was ignorant of it til now but believe many won't bother - we shall attend,,, thanks !

exec courses - probably lots of hackers compared to champ courses so expect less boorish behavior on champs - execs are free so nothing invested

has never bothered me to advise gorillas of ill-mannered actions IF its true, annoying, or flagrant violation of golf rules,,, how many people now wear soft cleats because so many couldn't be bothered to pick up their feet when they walked on the greens ?

There are quite a number of hackers on the champion courses as well. You should not be learning golf on a champion course but rather the executive course and the easiest one at that. It shouldn’t take four plus hours to play 18 on any champion course here but when you voice your concern you’re told if you look on the scorecard it states total course time four hours and fifteen minutes. See how many times you exceed that. Regardless of what they state, you should be done in four or less on these courses

[terrykomar]

Amen to your remarks! I have golf jerks coming through our hedges and hitting the ball out of my yard. They are trespassing on private property. We live on the second green of Churchill. No golf etiquette whatsoever.

[jimjamuser]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.
I wonder, would the "group bride shots" be with or without masks on?

[yankygrl]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.
Sorry doc but if you continue to put in as a single you run the risk of exactly what you stated every time you play. Find 3 other friends and put in for a foursome. I personally will not let unknown golfers play in my groups at this time, so only complete foursomes get requested - no odd numbers.

[sallybowron]

You idea is a good one for full timers and snowbirds but for renters or people who will not be here for a long time you might have more luck selling snake oil.

[Number 10 GI]

Wait a minute...aren’t you the same guy who found the female announcers excitement extremely annoying (during Space X/NASA launch)

What does that have to do with this discussion????:ohdear:

[JR&TR]

What time of day do you play? I always used to get one of the earliest tee times. Always seemed to me you’d run into the same players, and for lack of better words, more “experienced” players. Would get done early, go to breakfast. On the days we played in the afternoon, much slower pace of play, and more “casual” players.

[dewilson58]

. Find 3 other friends and put in for a foursome.




Therein lies the problem.


:1rotfl:

[TooColdNJ]

How about a few words instead of looks? I don’t belong in this thread because I’m not a golfer, but how about something as simple as, “Could you all please keep it down for a minute. My handicap on this hole is ADD,” and I can’t concentrate.” Giving “looks” is just as rude, because they’re usually perceived as dirty ones.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Sounds like you have no interest in the game of golf. If just your group there's no issue as long as you do not hold up play for others, rake bunkers, repair ball marks and fix divots. If you're not going to respect the game or the course why play golf? Even a single outsider joining your group deserves the courtesy of your at least respecting his game and his right to enjoy the game in the manner prescribed by golf etiquette and the rules of golf.

Sow play is another whole and very important issue. I played last week and we waited on every shot from the first tee to the last. Now some people say, "You're retired, what's your hurry".

Well, in the first place, I'm there to play golf, not watch people that can barely play try to play.

But more importantly, here is what actually happened on that day. The weather was fine when we started. Clouds began rolling in when we were about on the sixth hole. It was obvious that it was going to rain. When we got to the ninth tee we felt a few drops. By the time the group that had been holding us up the whole round was finished, it was raining very lightly. We finished the ninth hole and I jumped in my cart and headed home. By the time I was half way home (I live about a half mile from the course) it was pouring buckets. All I could think was that I'm caught in this rain storm, getting drenched because those people in front of me were inconsiderate of others.
And that really what this is all about. Not just maintaining a reasonable pace of play, but being considerate of others. Most people do every where else, but don't seem to understand what being considerate means on a golf course.
On another note. I played with three people yesterday who were an absolute delight. I played horribly. They really weren't good players, but they were a delight. One of them yelled something out during one of my swings and apologized for it. I told him that it was no big deal and that happens to everyone. It's one thing to make a mistake. It's completely different to not understand the rules of common courtesy and not care about them.

[bilcon]

Oh my I’m so sad for you . Please call the family I’m sure it’s there fault .

What's this got to do with the family. He is right on about poor etiquette on the course. You obviously are not a golfer. Some of us really go out there to play golf not to have brunch.
I also go out alone and hook up with other guys. I have no problem how well the others play, but there is no excuse for not knowing the simple etiquette on the course. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn a few rules. Wake up or go play pickle ball.:bigbow:

[Bikeracer2009]

Whenever I find myself around a distracting player I just say to myself "If you can't play with distractions, you can't play".

Tiger Woods dad would say that to him as he made every attempt to distract Tiger during practice. It helps me to learn to ignore it and improve my concentration.

[Guitarman1951]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.
I've said for years that the Villages should have a simple one hour golf etiquette course that anyone wanting to play championship courses have to attend. I've had similar experiences in the past and it's needless with just a little education and some manners.

[Dlbonivich]

Maybe try to find a group that take golf as serious as you do and get regular games. I am in a group who knows that I am new at the game and I play for fun and so do they.

[Pat Borden]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.
Thank you! From a new golfer.

[graciegirl]

Big time golfers is what most think they are. The villages is for everyone deal with it or move because you are the people that make this place Florida's worst home town.

I disagree. I do understand Mr. Boogies post. I also understand (kind of) the fact that ambassadors cannot really be marshals because of the policy here to all people who don't follow the rules or know golf etiquette. It ISN'T like golf anywhere else where people are directed to keep things moving and MOST people KNOW not to talk when someone is addressing the ball and not to shadow their putt or walk on the green between where any ball lies and the hole.

That conduct is part and parcel of the game. I have always loved golf for many reasons and enjoyed the etiquette.

I get so annoyed at the response...…..what's the hurry? I can see Arnold Palmers commercial where he yells out...………"while we're young".

[roscoguy]

Ok, question here. I know we are supposed to play “ready golf” so in my understanding if someone is raking the bunker or looking for their ball, or overshot and had to walk a distance for their ball, other players who were ready were supposed to shoot, even if the delayed player was further away. Is that not the rule when “serious players” join your group?

That's what is usually regarded as "ready golf". It just means that you needn't necessarily wait for the person that is actually farthest away; if waiting for them would delay play, whoever is ready first can generally go ahead and hit.

[roscoguy]

I am just starting to golf, so what is a 90 degree rule?

Oops. It looks like my friends back home lied to me. I was told that this meant that whenever the temperature reached 90° or more, I had to drink a beer per hole. Hydration is very important! :beer3:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If it's your group and a single joins it would be great if you told the single that is how your group plays, they then would have the option to drop out. Having a good time is what it's all about and if the game isn't important to you then make sure those that join you know that. Of course I guess that means that when any of your group is putting or getting ready to hit that single player can break out in song and you are ok with that right?

No one should have to drop out of a group because people are rude.

[John41]

People who think it’s ok not to obey the rules of golf etiquette because they want to joke around with their friends probably are the ones who talk in movie theaters too or block the aisles at the supermarkets talking with their friends. Very self centered think the world revolves around them.

[Miguel 1952]

I play in a group of about 20 mon wed and fri. If you see us run run for the hills. We really don't keep score. We improve lives. Talk and make fun of each other constantly. Take group brides shots and fun is our main motivation. I hope you dont expect all of us to change our behavior for a single. In my opinion if you join a group it's your responsibility to adapt not the other way around.

We are at the other side of life and some people are worrying about shadows and fellow companions having fun. Life is too short to worry about mundane things.
Next time the OP should pick his companions to make sure they are "serious " golfers and not we old guys enjoying life.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Disagree with the term "everyone". I can only speak for myself, but I've played golf for 51 years. I played on my HS team and my college team. I've played amateur tours and pro-ams. At my (younger) best, I was a +2 handicap. I pretty much know all the rules of golf and all the etiquette. I've played in TV for 6 years now. So tell me why I should be REQUIRED to sit in a class with those that are new to the game and don't know the difference between a club and a ball???? I would be better off practicing putting. I'm sure there are many others who have similar golf experience and would be wasting their time in "good golf" class. (BTW, is this the same class that tells you it is OK to move your ball out of a bunker, improve your lie in the fairway or rough, or take 5 foot gimmes ? If so, they should change the name from "good golf" to good "whatever the heck game you are playing"

I'm a retired PGA professional and I would be willing to go for the greater good of the community. I used to teach things like the Good Golf School but I would be willing to spend a couple of hours if it meant that people who have never played the game and don't understand the rules of etiquette learn how to behave on a golf course.

As far as moving your ball in the rough, taking putts taking the ball out of a bunker, that doesn't affect me. If people want to do that because it helps them enjoy the game more, let them go ahead. It's the same as people who got all upset over all of the holes in one while we had PVC pipes sticking up out of the holes. Why would that upset anyone. If people want to lie to themselves or fool themselves into thinking that they holed a shot it only affects them.

In fact when people are learning the game improving their lie, tossing the ball from a bunker and all of the other things they do will help them move along more quickly. It's the same as the double par stroke limit. It's not as if they're playing tournament golf. They are not turning in scores for a handicap. They are simply out for fun, exercise, camaraderie and sunshine. I say let them do what they want as long as they don't intefere with other players.

[golfing eagles]

I'm a retired PGA professional and I would be willing to go for the greater good of the community. I used to teach things like the Good Golf School but I would be willing to spend a couple of hours if it meant that people who have never played the game and don't understand the rules of etiquette learn how to behave on a golf course.

As far as moving your ball in the rough, taking putts taking the ball out of a bunker, that doesn't affect me. If people want to do that because it helps them enjoy the game more, let them go ahead. It's the same as people who got all upset over all of the holes in one while we had PVC pipes sticking up out of the holes. Why would that upset anyone. If people want to lie to themselves or fool themselves into thinking that they holed a shot it only affects them.

In fact when people are learning the game improving their lie, tossing the ball from a bunker and all of the other things they do will help them move along more quickly. It's the same as the double par stroke limit. It's not as if they're playing tournament golf. They are not turning in scores for a handicap. They are simply out for fun, exercise, camaraderie and sunshine. I say let them do what they want as long as they don't intefere with other players.

I agree 99% with you, the difference being that I am NOT willing to waste 2 hours on the class. Let those who need to go, go, but leave me out of it. Those people can take the class, it does not require my presence.

[golfing eagles]

We are at the other side of life and some people are worrying about shadows and fellow companions having fun. Life is too short to worry about mundane things.
Next time the OP should pick his companions to make sure they are "serious " golfers and not we old guys enjoying life.

Have you considered that you can "enjoy life" without ruining other peoples enjoyment???

[DonH57]

I never played golf until we moved here. Bought a set of clubs at a yard sale that seemed comfortable for me. Attended the good golf school, took beginner's lessons. Got in as a single mostly at El Diablo or El Santiago with so many various people and pretty much always felt welcomed. The hardest part for me was playing with others of various golf experience and not knowing how they would react to my inexperience. I focused on just trying to keep pace which meant just pick up the ball and go sometimes. No problem. What I've found here in the villages is we have a lot of people playing with no respect for the course let alone other golfers or the game. During my playing time I'm the person I'll admit missing my ball mark and repair three others, raking out the bunker I've been in and others didn't bother. I've missed a divot or two maybe but I don't try to grind up chunks of real estate and leave it. Asking the starter if they ever press charges puts a puzzled look on their face. I'll also apologize in advance if I break wind when you swing your tee shot. Have a great day.:a040:

[deebrock]

I think you need to join a league that is serious about the game. Unfortunately you don't know who tour going to get.

[justjim]

You need to just go play by yourself. You’re taking it way too seriously. I’m not surprised though! It seems that out on this ‘talk of the villages’ there are so many people that are just looking for reasons to be offended. I guess this gives them a venue to do that. Excessive whining every day! Yes I know, I have the option to just stop reading it!

OP is obviously a serious golfer and those he was playing with on this particular day were not at all serious golfers. That said, on TOTV we tend to criticize the OP’S that start a thread way more than we should for expressing their opinions or explaining their experience on the subject of their thread. I agree, my experience playing occasionaly as a single golfer with strangers, most are very cordial golfers but some know little about about golf etiquette. Shortly after becoming a resident in The Villages we attended “good golf school”. This was 12 years ago so I can’t speak about their current presentation. As I remember, there was very little about golf etiquette as described by the OP. In short, they (good golf school) could do better.

I started playing golf in my thirties but read a lot about golf and golf etiquette and hit the practice facilities before I ever went on a golf course. It’s pretty easy to educate yourself. When I play with my usual group of guys we play “ready up golf” and we certainly have fun but don’t talk while one of us are teeing off. Because of our age we might accidentally stumble into a players line or forget which way the sun is shining but we are still swinging and never plan to give up. Fore!

[DaleDivine]

A friend and I played an executive course on Tuesday.
We played with a couple that was new to The Villages and only played golf for a couple of months. They both insisted on playing from the back tees and hit several extra tee shots. By the time we were finished my nerves were raveled because we had people behind us waiting to hit on every hole.
Some people just don't have a clue. :ohdear::ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

A friend and I played an executive course on Tuesday.
We played with a couple that was new to The Villages and only played golf for a couple of months. They both insisted on playing from the back tees and hit several extra tee shots. By the time we were finished my nerves were raveled because we had people behind us waiting to hit on every hole.
Some people just don't have a clue. :ohdear::ohdear:

Did you say anything to them?

[sjeffries]

You cannot control what other “inconsiderate” golfers do.

Perhaps you could take a lesson from what happened to Tiger Woods. He said his dad used to try to distract him during his backswing by rattling the change in his pocket.

Try seeing other golfer’s peccadilloes as personal challenges you can overcome.

[mykvalentin]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.
I had my share of being paired with “casual fun” golfers. What usually happened is that I pattern my behavior with theirs. If they are talkative, then I talk to them. As for the etiquette such as talking while I’m hitting, I usually back away & SMILE at them, and they would apologize & smile back. I think glaring or staring at them just makes the atmosphere worse. As for walking on my line, I would do almost the same thing to the person’s line when s/he’s lining up, but instead of stepping on their line, I would walk around behind them and apologize for almost stepping on their line. Usually they will get the hint of the etiquette. Likewise with having someone’s shadow on your ball.
I think if we show them the etiquette in a subtle, polite way, they usually “get it”. Oddly enough and not surprisingly, I play, score better & had more fun playing with casual fun golfers than when playing with serious competitive ones. But that’s just me. Thank you, -myk

[Daxdog]

A golf class would be like a safe driving class, everyone thinks they are a great driver, I don’t need that, same for golf school. Why don’t you make friends and play with them, or can you not find anyone up to your standards? Relax have fun.
I’m sure your Beatles friends think you are a great guy, aren’t there 3 people you can play a round with?
:bigbow:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I agree 99% with you, the difference being that I am NOT willing to waste 2 hours on the class. Let those who need to go, go, but leave me out of it. Those people can take the class, it does not require my presence.

So how would you determine who needs to go and who doesn't? If you ask people, many would say that they don't need to go. Some that do need to go might refuse because, like many in this thread have said, they're not serious golfers.

I've been to a lot of seminars where I was bored for most of the time but found that I always learned something. In addition experienced golfer might even be able to contribute to the conversation. I found that sometimes asking a question to which I already knew the answer would force the speaker to bring up something that other's needed to know.

I don't think that two hours is that big of a deal to make golf in The Villages more enjoyable for everyone.

[Shoresands]

Golf was invented and developed as a "Gentlemens" game. Common courtesy is the main unwritten rule. Based on some of the snide disingenuous comments towards the OP, some posters need to throw their clubs in a pond and just go hang out at the bar where rude and boorish behavior is acceptable.

[Scrapper]

"Ready Golf" is a thing that is emphasized in the Good Golf School. In my opinion, that is a reason that courtesy seems lacking. I am not a long time golfer, but have always, for example, understood you were to wait for your opponent to hit on the fairway and the greens if he is farther from the hole. Ready golf says whoever is ready to hit, hits. Some use these rules, others don't makes for real confusion and some could call that not being courteous. Ready Gold emphasizes fast play which doesn't allow much time for lining up a putt or deciding on a different fairway club, etc. While you are lining up, someone else decides to shoot. Fast play is great, but not at the expense of courtesy and playing the game at your best. There is a time allotted for play on most score cards; if you are plus minus 5-10 minutes from that you should take your time and play gold as it was designed to play. Also, if you agree with me, then you won't be pushing, pushing people ahead of you if they are a little slower. Aren't we all retired? Relax and enjoy. Finally, it is true that you should expect less skilled golfers and perhaps less knowledgeable golfers on Exec Courses.

[SnowflakeinDeLaVista]

I agree with the original post. It is a reasonable expectation that when playing golf—everyone should follow the rules of golf. I get it that many new golfers play the executive courses and it does take some time and practice to learn etiquette in addition to skills. However intentionally violating those rules just because you like it better that way and expecting others to conform to your violations of the rules and etiquette is not reasonable. My husband and I signed up To play on an executive course and another couple signed up also. We thought it was great that we might meet another couple that like to golf. They never stopped talking. When you had a par putt, they would burst into one song, and if it was a birdie putt they would burst into a different one. While you are putting! Any other putt they wanted to all hit their balls at the same time. I could not wait to get off that course. Found out they have lived here many years. Not surprising they have to sign up with unsuspecting strangers in order to make a foursome.

[Fredman]

I'm a retired PGA professional and I would be willing to go for the greater good of the community. I used to teach things like the Good Golf School but I would be willing to spend a couple of hours if it meant that people who have never played the game and don't understand the rules of etiquette learn how to behave on a golf course.

As far as moving your ball in the rough, taking putts taking the ball out of a bunker, that doesn't affect me. If people want to do that because it helps them enjoy the game more, let them go ahead. It's the same as people who got all upset over all of the holes in one while we had PVC pipes sticking up out of the holes. Why would that upset anyone. If people want to lie to themselves or fool themselves into thinking that they holed a shot it only affects them.

In fact when people are learning the game improving their lie, tossing the ball from a bunker and all of the other things they do will help them move along more quickly. It's the same as the double par stroke limit. It's not as if they're playing tournament golf. They are not turning in scores for a handicap. They are simply out for fun, exercise, camaraderie and sunshine. I say let them do what they want as long as they don't intefere with other players.

I am wondering, what is your handicap?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am wondering, what is your handicap?

I don't have one. I am a retired PGA professional. I was forced to retire about 12 years ago because of an accident. I didn't play golf or hit a ball for about seven years. After being in The Villages for a few years, I thought that I might be able to play nine holes on the executive course so I started doing that.

About 18 months ago, my injury acted up and I quit playing again. I've been back play for about six weeks now and am finding it very difficult.

I'm almost 69 years old and have had three back surgeries, two shoulder surgeries, surgery for a torn meniscus in my knee, a fractured left calcaneus (heel bone) and recently had a bout with prostate cancer.

My left heel is held together by seven screws and because of the cancer, my testosterone has been shut down.

I'm finding it very difficult to play, but do enjoy hitting a decent shot now and then and it is getting a bit better. Another problem that I have is that my standards are still what they were thirty years ago.

But how well a person can play should have nothing to do with the subject matter. I've played with plenty of people who could barely hit the ball but understood the rule of etiquette. I've played with others who were decent players, but were obnoxious in their disregard for other players.

[DonH57]

I agree with the original post. It is a reasonable expectation that when playing golf—everyone should follow the rules of golf. I get it that many new golfers play the executive courses and it does take some time and practice to learn etiquette in addition to skills. However intentionally violating those rules just because you like it better that way and expecting others to conform to your violations of the rules and etiquette is not reasonable. My husband and I signed up To play on an executive course and another couple signed up also. We thought it was great that we might meet another couple that like to golf. They never stopped talking. When you had a par putt, they would burst into one song, and if it was a birdie putt they would burst into a different one. While you are putting! Any other putt they wanted to all hit their balls at the same time. I could not wait to get off that course. Found out they have lived here many years. Not surprising they have to sign up with unsuspecting strangers in order to make a foursome.

After what you just described I'm not surprised they have to sign up to find others. Were they intoxicated as well ? LOL

[jebartle]

You know your playing with a newbie, when you wait for them to retrieve cart (push cart or clubs) from 2 shots back, ugh!!!

[coralway]

Sounds like you had A Hard Day’s Night

[golfing eagles]

So how would you determine who needs to go and who doesn't? If you ask people, many would say that they don't need to go. Some that do need to go might refuse because, like many in this thread have said, they're not serious golfers.

I've been to a lot of seminars where I was bored for most of the time but found that I always learned something. In addition experienced golfer might even be able to contribute to the conversation. I found that sometimes asking a question to which I already knew the answer would force the speaker to bring up something that other's needed to know.

I don't think that two hours is that big of a deal to make golf in The Villages more enjoyable for everyone.

Well, one suggestion would be a 20 item questionnaire based on the class regarding etiquette and more common rules. Anyone who passes with 90% could be exempt from "school".
I still disagree with your premise---there are many who would be bored out of their minds for 2 hours. As to those experienced golfers who ignore etiquette---they would take a mandatory class and then go right on ignoring etiquette. And I'm not there to "bring up something" that others need to know----that is the instructors job. In all fairness to you, however, I don't play executive courses so I have no idea how bad it is out there, but I can imagine.

[karostay]

No amount of education on proper etiquette whether its on golf course or in a restaurant or in any public space will help here in It's All about me land

[ColdNoMore]

No amount of education on proper etiquette whether its on golf course or in a restaurant or in any public space will help here in It's All about me land

A lot of truth...in that statement. :ohdear:

[Rennirommel1969]

I know I have the same a couple of times. I have met some good people as well

[John_W]

Well, one suggestion would be a 20 item questionnaire based on the class regarding etiquette and more common rules. Anyone who passes with 90% could be exempt from "school".
I still disagree with your premise---there are many who would be bored out of their minds for 2 hours. As to those experienced golfers who ignore etiquette---they would take a mandatory class and then go right on ignoring etiquette. And I'm not there to "bring up something" that others need to know----that is the instructors job. In all fairness to you, however, I don't play executive courses so I have no idea how bad it is out there, but I can imagine.

I started playing in '62 and took Good Golf School in 2011 and found it interesting. Especially when they had the pro teach a segment of the class. The reservation via telephone segment was totally confusing and accomplished one thing, I knew I needed to join villages.net and pay $8 a month for the computer version.

[golfing eagles]

I started playing in '62 and took Good Golf School in 2011 and found it interesting. Especially when they had the pro teach a segment of the class. The reservation via telephone segment was totally confusing and accomplished one thing, I knew I needed to join villages.net and pay $8 a month for the computer version.

You mean these classes are not generally taught by pros???? Who the heck is teaching them????

[John_W]

You mean these classes are not generally taught by pros???? Who the heck is teaching them????

It's been 9 years, I'll try to remember. A lady from the Golf Admin comes at first and talks about fees, and priority, renting carts, dress codes, practice facilites and the operation of our golf courses. Then another fellow comes in and tries to explain how to make a teetime using the phone, which no one really understands and so he'll say you can join the computer version for $8 a month. Then a pro comes from one of the courses and tells you things like the little beacons about 50 yards in front of the greens, mean don't drive your cart any closer. The beacons on the cart path are the suggested places to part your cart. The rake should be place inside the trap with the handle pointed to the edge of the bunker and head toward the middle. All these kinds of things. It's about 2-1/2 hours and I wasn't really bored. I was a new resident and wanted to get going.

[RonI46]

And how about people that don’t fix ball marks on the green. The “elite” don’t rake traps either.
I know nobody is raking now but I mean when play is normal.

[John_W]

You didn't "HAVE" to come home and write this, so you must not feel too bad about it. I'm sure those who see golfers who take the game too seriously have something to say about you as well.

He really doesn't care what those people say about him, just like I wouldn't care. You must play the executives, that's a great place to learn to play and it's quick, cheap and has more challenges than a practice or chipping green. Doc was referencing Championship courses, when you pay $64 in the winter and $36 in the summer and drive own cart and request a teetime 7 days in advance, and worry that it doesn't rain and your partners aren't sick and can make it. When that comes together for 18 holes, it's not asking to much that if you're not ready, stay at the executives a while longer until you know what you're doing.

Our foursome if no one is in front of us, can play 18 holes in just over 3 hours, when you stuck playing an almost 5 hour round because the foursome in front of you are always looking for their ball, driving their cart back and forth across the fairway, talking on the green, waiting to hit when group in front of them is on the green. There are lost souls, and that is what he was posting about and obviously you don't get it!!

[raney3099]

I personally am not a golfer, tried it once with my sister and immediately realized it’s not for me. I like to socialize laugh talk and don’t find it fun for me at all. Didn’t know the rules, the ambassador came yelling cause we were taking too long. For the person who wrote this, find a group that’s as serious about golf as you are. You can’t expect to play with others you don’t know and expect them to play the way you want. Find your own friends!!

[Dilligas]

Print this out and hand out to people you play with, or ask to leave at starter shack.
10 Rules for Good Golf Etiquette (https://www.peakgolf.ca/blog/10-rules-for-good-golf-etiquette)


1. Don't be a distraction.

Don't move or make noise when someone close to you is setting up or swinging. The slightest movement or noise can distract the golfer.

2. Have your own clubs.

Players should take their own clubs on the course instead of borrowing from someone else. Purchase some cheap clubs if needed so you don't have to borrow any.

3. Don't make people wait for you to swing.

Keep an eye on the action and step up to the ball when it is your turn.

4. Keep the course looking nice.

Repair divots and ball marks, and rake sand bunkers when you play.

5. Don't walk on putting lines.

Putting lines are the imaginary lines that connect the hole and the ball. Avoid walking on them at all costs.

6. Only spend five minutes looking for lost balls.

If you can't find your ball, you have five minutes before declaring it lost. Then, hit your provisional ball.

7. Be a grownup.

You have probably seen people throw clubs, swear, or yell during a missed shot. That is bad etiquette and should be avoided.

8. Play in the right order.

The person who is furthest away from the pin should hit first. In addition, whoever wins the hole gets to tee off first at the next one.

9. Follow cart rules.

Each course has its own set of rules governing golf carts, and rules might change at a moment's notice. Pay attention to cart path only and 90-degree rules.

10. Get there early.

If you schedule a tee time, you need to get there early so you can get your equipment ready. Then, you need to tee off on time.
You need to update your ‘rules’. Lost balls only allow 3 minutes. If you know your ball went into a penalty area, a ‘provisional’ is not played...either drop at penalty entry, or stroke and distance. Play ready golf....waiting for your turn makes for 5 hour rounds.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

And how about people that don’t fix ball marks on the green. The “elite” don’t rake traps either.
I know nobody is raking now but I mean when play is normal.

I once had a conversation about this with a good friend that doesn't play golf.

I talked about replacing or sanding divots, raking bunkers and fixing ball marks. His first comment was, "That's the green keeper's job."

I played with a young lady one day that was taking way too long to play. We were almost two holes behind. I mentioned to her that the people behind us were waiting . Her response was "Let them wait. I have a right be be here."

Now they are very nice people but they don't understand anything about golf. That is why everyone needs to go to some kind of school before they're allowed on the golf course.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Geez, you sure take the fun out of the game.

I've played with a lot of people that know how to observe proper etiquette and we always have had a lot of fun. In between shots, after a great shot or a poor shot. Walking up to the green. Before teeing off. There is plenty of time to have fun while playing golf.

In an eighteen hole the amount of time that someone is actually preparing to hit or hitting the ball is about 22 minutes. A foursome is on the golf course for about four hours or more. That 88 minutes or an hour and 28 minutes that the group is actually actively engage in playing golf. The rest of the time is spent walking or riding to the ball. That's two and a half hours to have fun versus an hour and a half to be quiet, courteous and respectful of others.

Plenty of time to have fun.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I know I have the same a couple of times. I have met some good people as well

I played with two women yesterday. One of them was having a very bad day. She couldn't hit the ball fifty yards. But she moved along and was a pleasure to play with.

At one point as I was over my ball, she dropped a club into her bag. I backed off and before I could even look up she said, "Sorry". I said, "No problem" and hit my shot.

That's the difference between people who care about other's while they're playing and those that don't.

I didn't get upset because of this because it was a one time thing. It was an accident and she knew that she made a mistake.

What upsets me is that people have no idea how to behave on a golf course.

[Waltdisney4life]

Executive golf is social golf if you wish you should try playing nine holes on a championship course.

[DonH57]

I played with two women yesterday. One of them was having a very bad day. She couldn't hit the ball fifty yards. But she moved along and was a pleasure to play with.

At one point as I was over my ball, she dropped a club into her bag. I backed off and before I could even look up she said, "Sorry". I said, "No problem" and hit my shot.

That's the difference between people who care about other's while they're playing and those that don't.

I didn't get upset because of this because it was a one time thing. It was an accident and she knew that she made a mistake.

What upsets me is that people have no idea how to behave on a golf course.

Yesterday we had a group behind us tee off no sooner than one of us stepped off the green. It's that time of year I quess!:ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Executive golf is social golf if you wish you should try playing nine holes on a championship course. You have an excellent point.

Given that the exec's are free, it's pretty easy to understand that their very existence...is aimed at a different crowd.

If you're serious and trying "shoot a score"...you should probably be on a champ course. :shrug:

[Russp]

I understand I’m new and when I get paired up with someone I tell them I new and tell me if I’m doing something wrong when it comes to etiquette. This way everyone has a good day. I will joke around if all are in for it but I do respect others play

[billmcnall]

For the 2nd time in two weeks my group of 4 four-somes were all on the same tee on Hacienda Hills Palms course. One last week it was 4 groups on the 14th tee and today it was 4 groups on the 16th tee. Both times we were unable to finish due to a downpour on the 17th and 18th holes. We would have easily finished our game without getting rained out had it not been for the log jam we experienced. I only want to know why the ambassadors don't do their job and move slower groups along. They make play miserable for people waiting every hole for them and in our case, cause us not to be able to finish. Now the ambassadors don't even carry water so what the heck are they doing except waving to us when they pass.

[BamaBoy451]

I'll tell you a good one. It seems you almost can go to the Lopez short game area without having a local pro provide unsolicited advice on your game. We're not short of experts here in the villages are we?

[Ladygolfer93]

First of all I am definitely not a scratch golfer, and not at all the type that prances around like a PGA pro, but I did learn to play politely and respectfully. The ethics of golf, as well as the rules, were always emphasized. When I moved to the villages a long time ago now, I was completely unprepared for the behavior of the golf courses of The Villages ! I too was paired with folks who seemed friendly enough, but the first time I saw someone drive a golf cart right up to the green and PARK with the wheels on the apron, I was stunned. The first time someone walked up behind me chatting as I was in full swing on the tee I was frightened to death ! I thought it was just some kind of "newbie" experience, something I'd never encounter again, but now, years later, I've seen it all, and I mean ALL. You name it, it happens here on the golf course. Within the first few months an ambassador, who I mistook for a marshal not ever having heard of an "ambassador", who offered me cool water. We chatted since there was an open hole behind me, and I told him I was not trying to be a tattle tale but I was concerned about the folks ahead who habitually seemed to hit into every trap (and I sure do that too !) but they never entered at the lowest point, and worse yet, would stand of the high cut edge of the traps and completely destroy the turf cut.... even having grass and soil come down into the white sand. I'd never seen anything like this happen on a public course. He shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, welcome to the Villages" in a friendly way, not snide at all. He then explained "ambassador" versus "marshal" to me, and added that many ambassadors do try to GENTLY remind golfers but that they are asked to "follow a fine line" since they are not "golf police". Over the years now I understand perfectly, I think ! At no other golf courses in the world (I believe) would you find people who, with no instruction what so ever (or only from a spouse or friend...LOL) go to a golf course and simply play without having any idea of the many innuendos of golf etiquette. They laugh and chat away without any thought to who can hear, stand behind a person about to swing, played with one lady who put her ball on a tee ON THE FAIRWAY and said the "pro" at a country club here (she named the club and pro) had told her to do "what ever makes her feel comfortable" as a beginner ? So, I learned to relax, my score one stroke or another is not my concern, I only hope to get a par here and there, but destructive habits to the condition (have you EVER seen a resort, public course, or real country club where members pay a fee with so many ball marks left unfixed ?) of the course; stepping on the lips of traps and crushing them, driving ON greens and then OVER them, and for the most part, not one word is said to such folks. People who have never played golf in their lives (until they moved here) decide "hey, I'm paying for it I'm going to take advantage", and that's GREAT to see people pick up new things late in life (me too, took up all kinds of new interests in retirement so I fully understand), but I honestly believe people who take up shuffle board or bocce or pickle-ball spend more time LEARNING the of those games than the more complex etiquette of the game when they take up golf. Frankly, I don't think it is going to change ! ? And as you say, most of these folks would be great to go have a cup of coffee or a drink with later. On the course, it's really hard to learn to live with this.... but I sure have.

[Ladygolfer93]

I certainly second that, none of us like rules, rules, rules, but what would life be like here IF people MUST take instruction in GOLF etiquette AND how to properly use TRAFFIC circles, never "cure" them all (too many one and two week vacationers only here, not referring to snowbirds and second home folks, just the folks who have caught on to what a nice resort this is for the per night price) and would NEVER go play golf at Champion's Gate, or a Disney resort where they vacation, but take the "might as well" frame of mind here... that makes it really hard on the maintenance of the courses.

[Ladygolfer93]

First of all I am definitely not a scratch golfer, and not at all the type that prances around like a PGA pro, but I did learn to play politely and respectfully. The ethics of golf, as well as the rules, were always emphasized. When I moved to the villages a long time ago now, I was completely unprepared for the behavior of the golf courses of The Villages ! I too was paired with folks who seemed friendly enough, but the first time I saw someone drive a golf cart right up to the green and PARK with the wheels on the apron, I was stunned. The first time someone walked up behind me chatting as I was in full swing on the tee I was frightened to death ! I thought it was just some kind of "newbie" experience, something I'd never encounter again, but now, years later, I've seen it all, and I mean ALL. You name it, it happens here on the golf course. Within the first few months an ambassador, who I mistook for a marshal not ever having heard of an "ambassador", who offered me cool water. We chatted since there was an open hole behind me, and I told him I was not trying to be a tattle tale but I was concerned about the folks ahead who habitually seemed to hit into every trap (and I sure do that too !) but they never entered at the lowest point, and worse yet, would stand of the high cut edge of the traps and completely destroy the turf cut.... even having grass and soil come down into the white sand. I'd never seen anything like this happen on a public course. He shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, welcome to the Villages" in a friendly way, not snide at all. He then explained "ambassador" versus "marshal" to me, and added that many ambassadors do try to GENTLY remind golfers but that they are asked to "follow a fine line" since they are not "golf police". Over the years now I understand perfectly, I think ! At no other golf courses in the world (I believe) would you find people who, with no instruction what so ever (or only from a spouse or friend...LOL) go to a golf course and simply play without having any idea of the many innuendos of golf etiquette. They laugh and chat away without any thought to who can hear, stand behind a person about to swing, played with one lady who put her ball on a tee ON THE FAIRWAY and said the "pro" at a country club here (she named the club and pro) had told her to do "what ever makes her feel comfortable" as a beginner ? So, I learned to relax, my score one stroke or another is not my concern, I only hope to get a par here and there, but destructive habits to the condition (have you EVER seen a resort, public course, or real country club where members pay a fee with so many ball marks left unfixed ?) of the course; stepping on the lips of traps and crushing them, driving ON greens and then OVER them, and for the most part, not one word is said to such folks. People who have never played golf in their lives (until they moved here) decide "hey, I'm paying for it I'm going to take advantage", and that's GREAT to see people pick up new things late in life (me too, took up all kinds of new interests in retirement so I fully understand), but I honestly believe people who take up shuffle board or bocce or pickle-ball spend more time LEARNING the not only the rules, but the etiquette of the game then they do when they take up golf. Frankly, I don't think it is going to change ! ? And as you say, most of these folks would be great to go have a cup of coffee or a drink with later. On the course, it's really hard to learn to live with this.... but I sure have.

[Ladygolfer93]

I'm having a difficult time enjoying myself on the golf course due to the behavior of people I play with. I usually sign up as a single and get paired with different people. Most of them are very nice and I'm sure that I'd have no problem with them off the course. But too many of them have no idea about golf etiquette.
I played with two guys today who just wouldn't stop talking. They had no idea where anyone's ball was and generally didn't understand the need to keep quiet, not walk on other player's lines, not let there shadows go where they can break a player's concentration.
Now I understand that a lot of people, especially those that play executive courses are out for fun, sunshine and exercise. But there are some of us that are trying to hit good shots and shoot a score.
When I play golf, my concentration begins when I start to line up my shot. I stand behind the ball pick out an aiming point and envision the shot that I'm going to hit.
Today on the first hole, these two guys are talking and I was getting ready to hit. I got over my ball and they didn't stop so I back away and gave them a look. They finally shut up but just as I'm about to take the club away the two of them walked behind me and cast their shadows over my ball. I backed away again and they didn't get it.
They did this over and over for nine holes. On one hole, the fourth member of the group was standing over a four foot putt for par and one of them starts talking in the middle of his backswing.
On another hole, one of them dropped two clubs on my ball marker and walked up my line. That not bad enough but the guy must have weighed close to 300 pounds.
If you haven't played golf before, or you're a casual golfer, I understand that these things may not be important to you, but you need to learn to be considerate of other people. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, go to the good golf school and read a bit about golf etiquette. It will make for better relationships and make golf much more pleasant for everyone.
I feel bad that I went out to have an enjoyable day and come home and have to write something like this.

I have found very few (I know this is hard to believe with the number of people who moved here JUST for golf, but very few people, even experienced golfers, seem to understand "walking on someones lie"; is this due to our very hard greens ? ? ?

[DonH57]

I'll tell you a good one. It seems you almost can go to the Lopez short game area without having a local pro provide unsolicited advice on your game. We're not short of experts here in the villages are we?

Happened to me yesterday. Uninvited solicited advice.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'll tell you a good one. It seems you almost can go to the Lopez short game area without having a local pro provide unsolicited advice on your game. We're not short of experts here in the villages are we?

It happened to me as I was hitting balls into a net. I play with four guys every week and we are all decent players. One of them was struggling and after hitting a bad shot on the last hole, one of the others went up to him and tried to give him a "pointer". The instructor walked away and my friend muttered to me, "Just what I need. Lessons on the golf course."

I taught golf for 35 years and would never offer unsolicited advice to anyone. And I'll tell that it's difficult not to say something. I have a trained eye and can spot faults. In fact I usually see many faults and have the ability to decide which is the most important to work on. But I would never point out anything specific without being asked.

I have a friend that I play a lot with and he knows my background. He's really been struggling. A few times I've told him that his downswing is very steep and if he'd like we can go to the range and I'd be happy to help him with it.

But here is another point. Seeing a fault is one thing. Being able to give advice on how to correct it is another and the player's willingness to go out and work on that specific point is the third and possibly most important step to improving. One of the great teachers in history once said to me that we cannot really teach people how to play golf. We can only show them how to learn.

And that is the biggest point. In order to improve a player has to work on specific movements in a swing. That has to be done at a range and will take many hours to get down. This idea that you're going to point out some little thing in a players motion (and most of the time it's irrelevant to what's causing the problem) and suddenly all his problems will be over is ludicrous.

I find it amusing to go to a range and see a husband trying to teach his wife to play. I played behind a foursome last week where one guy was standing in front of the other three teaching them how to play. Watching the "instructor" I got the impression that was about an 18 handicapper who was trying attempting to teach some 30 handicappers.

Everyone thinks that they're a teacher. Teaching golf involves a lot more than simply seeing something that you think might be wrong and telling the person. And just because a person is a good player doesn't mean that he/she is a good teacher. Not all of the great teachers in history were tour players and of those who were, were not hugely successful on tour. Most of the tour players coaches today were not tour caliber players. I've taught players that were much better than I. In most cases, players play and teachers teach. Bill Belichick never played in the NFL.

[BamaBoy451]

Should I run into this person again I shall pop every ball into the surrounding bushes and yell, " thanks for the tips " quite proudly as I wave.