Baden's autopsy concludes Floyd's death was caused by asphyxia

[manaboutown]

By compression on the neck as the video shows.

George Floyd'''s family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today?fbclid=IwAR2meDSVEL9wFfMDD18u8Aupxagt31XpUCn kKxbHqB92Yygz8bUwxo5dkvU)

[retiredguy123]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?

[Bogie Shooter]

Because Baden is a Fox News contributor??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?

Because most of the free world understands what the word "independent" means. It doesn't mean "unbiased." It means "not connected to or affiliated with...[insert thing here]."

In the case of the autopsy, it is independent of the preliminary autopsy performed by the coroner's office.

[manaboutown]

He has quite a high profile history, JFK, MLK Jr. and more.

PATHOLOGIST IN SIMPSON TRIAL SAYS VICTIMS STRUGGLED LONG AND HARD - Chicago Tribune (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-08-11-9508110074-story.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/13/michael-baden-jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/

[John41]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.

[golfing eagles]

By compression on the neck as the video shows.

George Floyd'''s family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today?fbclid=IwAR2meDSVEL9wFfMDD18u8Aupxagt31XpUCn kKxbHqB92Yygz8bUwxo5dkvU)

No surprise.

And to foreshadow a bit, it's my experience that any medical testimony offered at trial just confuses the jury and puts them to sleep anyway.

[GoodLife]

No surprise.

And to foreshadow a bit, it's my experience that any medical testimony offered at trial just confuses the jury and puts them to sleep anyway.

What is the difference between Baden's autopsy and the one done by the ME?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.

Twenty YEARS ago he was *arrested and charged* with possession. I see no mention that he was ever convicted of it. He did do 5 years for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. That happened over 10 years ago, and he only had to serve four years of his sentence.

Zero incidences since then. He has no "violent criminal past." He had a singular violent criminal incident in his life. Which isn't to excuse him, but it does seem to indicate that YOU are more interested in painting him as a lot worse than he was, for some nefarious reason.

[argos5usa]

Like most paid litigation experts, Baden's report is drafted to fit the narrative of the side who is paying him...no credibility.

[manaboutown]

Twenty YEARS ago he was *arrested and charged* with possession. I see no mention that he was ever convicted of it. He did do 5 years for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. That happened over 10 years ago, and he only had to serve four years of his sentence.

Zero incidences since then. He has no "violent criminal past." He had a singular violent criminal incident in his life. Which isn't to excuse him, but it does seem to indicate that YOU are more interested in painting him as a lot worse than he was, for some nefarious reason.

So Floyd was an ex-con. Aggravated robbery is a BIG DEAL FELONY! I did not know that and had actually heard that he was a "gentle giant" and so on. All I can say is WOW! That speaks loud and clear about his actual character!

[B767drvr]

Twenty YEARS ago he was *arrested and charged* with possession. I see no mention that he was ever convicted of it. He did do 5 years for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. That happened over 10 years ago, and he only had to serve four years of his sentence.

Zero incidences since then. He has no "violent criminal past." He had a singular violent criminal incident in his life. Which isn't to excuse him, but it does seem to indicate that YOU are more interested in painting him as a lot worse than he was, for some nefarious reason.

I honestly don't know but am curious... what exactly is "aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon"?

It sure sounds like a robbery with a deadly weapon?

I have never committed a robbery, much less with a "deadly weapon".

Would you agree George is not a model citizen? Robbery with a deadly weapon? Hmm... not diminishing his death or the circumstances, which I agree is abhorrent, but nationwide destruction over this? George doesn't sound like Mother Theresa.

[golfing eagles]

Twenty YEARS ago he was *arrested and charged* with possession. I see no mention that he was ever convicted of it. He did do 5 years for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. That happened over 10 years ago, and he only had to serve four years of his sentence.

Zero incidences since then. He has no "violent criminal past." He had a singular violent criminal incident in his life. Which isn't to excuse him, but it does seem to indicate that YOU are more interested in painting him as a lot worse than he was, for some nefarious reason.

Could you please rectify the two statements in bold? Or is it just the usual TOTV oxymoron?

[Stu from NYC]

Interesting that every time a black is "murdered by the police" he is a felon with criminal history.

How come they cannot find a model citizen with clean record to protest about?

[ColdNoMore]

And once again, the attempts to try and justify the death of an unarmed black man AFTER the fact...starts. :ohdear:

[PugMom]

yeah, i still don't see justification for what the cops did, though. we need to keep to the facts @ hand, which is 1 dead person from needless force. and i'd be careful about baden, too: he & his wife seem a bit slimey.

[B767drvr]

And once again, the attempts to try and justify the death of an unarmed black man AFTER the fact...starts. :ohdear:

Cold... you're quite the virtue signaler. I understand you. You're not dumb. You have a strange viewpoint, and one that MANY/MOST posters disagree with, but I don't believe I've read anyone attempt to justify the death of Mr. Floyd. For you to attempt such an amateurish stretch gives me a chuckle into your lack of argument.

[Northwoods]

I don't know what the motivation or thought process was of that cop. But what he did was wrong. He will have to face the consequences of his actions.

[PugMom]

for what it's worth, the cop's wife left him, & he was placed on suicide watch, so yeah, consequences are with him

[ColdNoMore]

for what it's worth, the cop's wife left him, & he was placed on suicide watch, so yeah, consequences are with him

I hadn't heard about the suicide watch, but for his own safety...I hope he is segregated from the gen pop.

[Girlcopper]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?
Exactly. And look at this guys reputation. He has been used to conduct additional autopsies on controversial cases involving police and always has results which favor the family. Thats why they selected him. Plus, if he didnt give the results the family wanted, they would have requested 1000 more until they got what they wanted.

[Girlcopper]

Like most paid litigation experts, Baden's report is drafted to fit the narrative of the side who is paying him...no credibility.
Absolutely. His past reputation is the reason he was hired. Look at all the other second autopsies he conducted, that contradicted the original and favored whoever was paying him. All, interestingly enough, are police shootings. Open your eyes people. This guy and his tactics are fraud

[Adagio43]

Let the character assassination begin in order to justify the murder. Nothing new here.

[72lions]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?

That’s not being fair but judgmental. A trained physician preformed an autopsy without collaboration with the coroner, i.e., independently. Come in now.

[72lions]

Absolutely. His past reputation is the reason he was hired. Look at all the other second autopsies he conducted, that contradicted the original and favored whoever was paying him. All, interestingly enough, are police shootings. Open your eyes people. This guy and his tactics are fraud

What? You blindly accept autopsies performed that exonerate the police?

[Bridget Staunton]

Yes maybe George had a criminal background but people change and it seems he had changed, he was working several jobs until Covid-19 set in. It’s totally a disgrace what that policeman did it hurts my heart. We are all the same so please let us respect each other.

[Dgizzi]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.
Yes people are forgetting he was a criminal. All he had to do was get in the police car. But they always fight and say they didn’t do nothing wrong. Yes the police officer did go too far and yes they should have called maybe a SUV police vehicle since he was saying he can’t sit in the back of the car. I wouldn’t know what it’s like sitting back of a police car, never been in one. He shouldn’t have died like that, but we didn’t hear everything going on or what was said. Police can’t do anything anymore to fight against these criminals because we have too many bleeding hearts. Bet they would change their mind if one of these “innocent” people committed a crime against them, then the story would change.

[Shetzy]

He was unarmed. He was handcuffed. He was bleeding from the mouth. Why not put him into the police car instead of throw him on the ground and stab your knee into his neck so he can't breathe and dies?

[dplars]

The Official autopsy show he died of heart

[ColdNoMore]

He was unarmed. He was handcuffed. He was bleeding from the mouth. Why not put him into the police car instead of throw him on the ground and stab your knee into his neck so he can't breathe and dies?

Why?

Because the police thought they could get away with it...just as has happened so many times in the past. :ohdear:

[bmit16]

2 things, both coroners autopsy's agree as of today that he died by strangulation which caused coronary failure. The ME,s report last week was a preliminary report that just showed the obvious. This happens a lot. But it was stated last night on Fox that both agree on cause of death.

2nd about his past convictions. Please do not assume that someone is an angel just because they have not been caught. On the other hand, do not assume they have not changed after serving time for a violent crime. Fact is, we just don't know what he has really been doing since his release. Unless you are close to him, and doubt anyone here is.

The bottom line is, the police did something really stupid and negligent and the were wrong and will and should answer to it in court.

[ColdNoMore]

What? You blindly accept autopsies performed that exonerate the police?
Exactly.

Especially from a white county ME, who works with the police and would have plenty of incentive to try and make us all believe...we didn't really see what we saw. :oops:

Just imagine if the video didn't exist. :ohdear:

[MandoMan]

By compression on the neck as the video shows.

George Floyd'''s family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today?fbclid=IwAR2meDSVEL9wFfMDD18u8Aupxagt31XpUCn kKxbHqB92Yygz8bUwxo5dkvU)

I accept the judgment that he was essentially kept from breathing by pressure on his back and neck. That was the cause of death. That autopsy, though, didn’t mention that he was high on Fentanyl and had used meth in the previous couple days. This may help explain why he wasn’t entirely rational when he was being arrested. That doesn’t excuse his treatment at all, but it should not be forgotten.

[kenoc7]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.

Why do you spread untruths and fail to mention that the policeman who murdered Floyd had 18 complaints against him including some for the use of deadly force? Your post is a disgrace and throws fuel on the fire when we need healing, not hurt.

[regas56]

And once again, the attempts to try and justify the death of an unarmed black man AFTER the fact...starts. :ohdear:Yep and those who say Oh my he had a record well maybe the cops didn't murder him as if it was no big loss.. THOSE people are the ones who are responsible for most of the madness IMO.. Even the worst of the worst convicted to death get their day in court..

[ColdNoMore]

Why do you spread untruths and fail to mention that the policeman who murdered Floyd had 18 complaints against him including some for the use of deadly force? Your post is a disgrace and throws fuel on the fire when we need healing, not hurt.

If only everyone felt the same way, instead of the raging narcissism of...."what will make me look the best?" :ohdear:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So Floyd was an ex-con. Aggravated robbery is a BIG DEAL FELONY! I did not know that and had actually heard that he was a "gentle giant" and so on. All I can say is WOW! That speaks loud and clear about his actual character!

He was originally be arrested for trying to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill.

Some reports are saying that he gave the police a very bad time before the video started.

[notinkansas]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.
Please read an article from Christianity Today dated May 28, titled "George Floyd Left a Gospel Legacy in Houston". He had been doing good work in the past several years and it is unfortunate that you and others want to focus on the mistakes of his past. People change. He did not deserve this.

[ColdNoMore]

He was originally be arrested for trying to buy cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill.

Some reports are saying that he gave the police a very bad time before the video started.


"Some reports" are saying that the cop was a racist...even in elementary school.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why do you spread untruths and fail to mention that the policeman who murdered Floyd had 18 complaints against him including some for the use of deadly force? Your post is a disgrace and throws fuel on the fire when we need healing, not hurt.

I've heard the officer's record of complaints mentioned many more times than I've heard the background of George Floyd or the fact that he was being arrested for committing a crime.

According to some, he was simply walking down the street minding his own business and the police just attacked and killed him. That is what is throwing fuel on the fire.

None of us have heard all of the evidence. We don't know what happened prior to the video. I admit that it does look bad for this officer, but I'll reserve judgement until I know all of the facts.

And that right there is the crux of this current problem. People are coming to conclusions before all fo the facts are known and that has what has added fuel to the fire.

[airstreamingypsy]

I am absolutely stunned reading the comments here, these is no defense of what that POS cop did to Mr. Floyd, none whatsoever. We watched him calmly put his knee on a handcuffed man's neck and crush his windpipe for over 8 minutes, why he repeatedly said, "I can't breathe" If that's okay with anyone, it's because you are a sociopath. Why does The Villages attract so many racists? Do you have full page ads in White Nationalist magazine or something?

[manaboutown]

Please read an article from Christianity Today dated May 28, titled "George Floyd Left a Gospel Legacy in Houston". He had been doing good work in the past several years and it is unfortunate that you and others want to focus on the mistakes of his past. People change. He did not deserve this.

Looks like the ME did find traces of fentanyl and meth in his blood and that cardiac arrest caused his death according to an article in Newsweek. Here is the link which works for me even though it appears to block access. You have been blocked (https://www.newsweek.com/george-floyd-was-fentanyl-medical-examiner-says-experts-dispute-cause-death-1507982)

and the Washington Times. George Floyd death a homicide, had drugs in his system, medical examiner says - Washington Times (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/1/george-floyd-death-homicide-had-drugs-his-system-m/)

[aallbrand]

this man was murdered by police caught on camera end of story he may of been a thug but that dose not give police permission to murder. Lets say it was your son who had a checkered past would you not be outraged if he was murdered ?

[regas56]

The Official autopsy show he died of heartNope.. Minneapolis Medical Examiner lists Floyd's death as a Homicide, that his heart stopped AS police restrained him and compressed his neck. They added he had hypertension and heart disease along with recent fentanyl and methamphetamine use..I've lost 2 young employee's in 2 years from drugs, both did some jail time and yet I would have trusted both with my wallet or my kids more than most I know, they were good kids just troubled.. I had hypertension and heart disease in my 40's and 50's and triple bypass last year at 63, never smoke, drank (much) or did drugs in my life..Fact...he was dead when they put him on the stretcher Paramedics tried reviving him with shock all the way to the hospital where he was pronounced, Freddie Lloyd died that day in the street like a dog because a cop went WAY to far. Who knows maybe he would have died from drugs in a week or a month, or maybe he would have turned it around but that day it was all decided for him by someone else, a stranger who also had some serious violence issues himself in the past and maybe even shouldn't have even been a cop himself and that was not right..

[Wildwilly]

Sounds like you're happy to hear that

[Jacob85]

How can one done by the state be independent. However it makes no difference as the conclusion is the same. He would be alive now if that officer would not have killed him. So you are saying it’s ok to kill someone for the possibility they passed a 20$ bill which has never Been proven. What record?

[maggie1]

So Floyd was an ex-con. Aggravated robbery is a BIG DEAL FELONY! I did not know that and had actually heard that he was a "gentle giant" and so on. All I can say is WOW! That speaks loud and clear about his actual character!

So, according to your reasoning, his having had a "BIG DEAL FELONY" conviction in his past justifies his being killed by the police?

[jfkilduff]

What a bunch of DS’s. If I hire u I am looking for a specific outcome. Call it whatever u want but it sure isn’t independent if u are working specifically for me!!!!!

[bmit16]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.

That method was not legal or taught where I worked nor am I familiar with any other department teaching it. We were taught you only go to the throat as a last resort to save your own life. I agree, do not judge until all the evidence is in, but come on man! We can all see that this man was incapable at that point to fight. We as law enforcement officer's active and retired have to look at this and realize that this cop was wrong. Whether the suspect was on anything or not, he was no longer a threat and this should have been handled different.

[manaboutown]

So, according to your reasoning, his having had a "BIG DEAL FELONY" conviction in his past justifies his being killed by the police?

Of course not. I am just interested in learning about Floyd's character. The autopsy shows he did have traces of fentanyl and meth in his blood so he was not "clean". Too, in the video showing him being walked from the wall to the vehicle he appeared to me to be unsteady on his feet, walking in the manner those under the influence of such substances do.

The police used excessive force and killed him and need to be tried for their actions in a court of law. Not only Chauvin, but the other three who stood by and let it happen.

Floyd and Chauvin both worked security at the same club for fourteen years, Floyd inside, Chauvin outside. At this point I am considering the possibility Chauvin had a grudge against Floyd, that his killing Floyd (yes he did kill him) may have been personal. Of course it may also have been racial. BUT, the other three cops standing by and letting it happen really concerns me. They failed to intervene and stop Chauvin. That speaks of a poorly run police department at the least.

[Skunky1]

Imagine that Floyd is your white son or grandson with a black officer with his knee on their neck until dead!

That ex police officer is NOT the judge, jury and executioner!The charge should be upgraded to first degree murder.Up his bail and let the grand jury and court system sort it out.

Police are trained to kill people. They are also trained to protect and serve.

[Dilligas]

Tiger Woods tweeted the best comment.....
“My heart goes out to George Floyd, his loved ones and all of us who are hurting right now,” Woods wrote. “I have always had the utmost respect for our law enforcement. They train so diligently to understand how, when and where to use force. This shocking tragedy clearly crossed that line. I remember the LA riots and learned that education is the best path forward. We can make our points without burning the very neighborhoods that we live in. I hope that through constructive, honest conversations, we can build a safer, unified society.”

[graciegirl]

By compression on the neck as the video shows.

George Floyd'''s family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today?fbclid=IwAR2meDSVEL9wFfMDD18u8Aupxagt31XpUCn kKxbHqB92Yygz8bUwxo5dkvU)

We could have the best ten out of 12 autopsies. I see so many of things and wonder whether I am racist or not. In my constant viewing of LivePD I see many, many, people restrained with the knee on neck and they appear to have no color emphasis, just the fact that people are trying to not sit down, or are trying to hit the police man or woman, or kick him or her and some do break loose and run away. I see many police dogs biting people of all races for not following police orders. I see people of all colors being tazed. I have seen two officers on LivePD that I felt were a little tiny bit toward the "big guy in a uniform don't mess with me" sort of person. I am prejudiced by the big tall man in a uniform who raised me and who worked for the Columbus, Ohio police force for 34 years. I still have his uniform buttons in my jewelry box.

As a nursery school teacher I would invite community helpers to my classroom. Some were really good at talking to children and some were a little Barney Fifish. It takes all kinds for any job. We can't lose track of the fact that watching people who break the law almost always involves some mighty good and experienced liars about just about everything. How many times have I heard of LivePD……….These aren't my pants.

It is hard to not be biased by what happened to you in your many years of life. We are so foolish on here to argue and lose sight of the fact that it is wrong to kill and to steal and to harm and to hate.

No matter who does it.

[DonnaNi4os]

It appeared to me that the sustained compression to his neck not only blocked his airway, it also compromised blood flow to his brain by compressing his carotid artery. That likely caused brain death. The reason he died is because a bad cop caused his death. My son was a police officer, he would never had stood by and allowed this to happen. If I am correct, there were two autopsies, one by the family and one by the state medical examiner. Regardless of the technical reason he died, this never should have happened.

[DonnaNi4os]

Just wondering if anyone here knows why he has being arrested? It was all over a possible counterfeit $20 bill. He was obviously subdued and other officers were there. Think about that for a moment.

[Bucco]

We could have the best ten out of 12 autopsies. I see so many of things and wonder whether I am racist or not. In my constant viewing of LivePD I see many, many, people restrained with the knee on neck and they appear to have no color emphasis, just the fact that people are trying to not sit down, or are trying to hit the police man or woman, or kick him or her and some do break loose and run away. I see many police dogs biting people of all races for not following police orders. I see people of all colors being tazed. I have seen two officers on LivePD that I felt were a little tiny bit toward the "big guy in a uniform don't mess with me" sort of person. I am prejudiced by the big tall man in a uniform who raised me and who worked for the Columbus, Ohio police force for 34 years. I still have his uniform buttons in my jewelry box.

As a nursery school teacher I would invite community helpers to my classroom. Some were really good at talking to children and some were a little Barney Fifish. It takes all kinds for any job. We can't lose track of the fact that watching people who break the law almost always involves some mighty good and experienced liars about just about everything. How many times have I heard of LivePD……….These aren't my pants.

It is hard to not be biased by what happened to you in your many years of life. We are so foolish on here to argue and lose sight of the fact that it is wrong to kill and to steal and to harm and to hate.

No matter who does it.

The police action has been harshly criticized by police officers and police forces throughout the country and the world, YET so many on here desperately with great vigor and hate look so hard to find an excuse. THAT effort is what is disconcerting to me and it appears to the world.

That attitude, in my opinion, meaning always finding an excuse and reason for bad behavior (its just so and so being so and so..etc) is what is tearing at the fiber of the country.

We are being led to believe here on the forum and throughout that perfection is never saying that a mistake was made.....I am tired of being lectured about my behavior when my behavior is not the problem.

[graciegirl]

Here is an episode on LivePD. Here an officer is leaning on this man's neck with his forearm. This happened in Pasco County, Florida in December of 2018. Listen and watch to the end.

I think I remember the statistics on death by drug overdose in 2019, as around 70,000 deaths. Sometimes drugs give people resisting arrest superhuman strength. Here it took three officers to get this man to allow them to put handcuffs on. And there was Cocaine.

I guess no matter which side you choose, you can always bring up that those weren't really HIS pants and the cops put the drugs on him.

I admit to being prejudiced toward law enforcement.

Watch this video.

Live PD - Resisting Arrest “I was eating a fu***** Apple fritter” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemCpXMiYjc)

[Holpat39]

Why does a poster think that The Villages attract so many racists. Right there in that statement shows they are racist themselves to post such a stupid statement. The whole picture here is that people are quick to judge both Mr. Floyd and the police. The policeman did an unthinkable act by killing Mr. Floyd and we all can only second guess why he chose to go down that path. Let the courts and a jury decide his fate and we should all grieve for the family of Mr. Floyd. Mr. Floyd's past should not be a factor in his murder. Wait until all the facts are out in the open and we should stop the speculating of what did and did not happen. What happened the last week with the rioting and looting is doing nothing to protest the murder of George Floyd

[ColdNoMore]

The police action has been harshly criticized by police officers and police forces throughout the country and the world, YET so many on here desperately with great vigor and hate look so hard to find an excuse. THAT effort is what is disconcerting to me and it appears to the world.

That attitude, in my opinion, meaning always finding an excuse and reason for bad behavior (its just so and so being so and so..etc) is what is tearing at the fiber of the country.

We are being led to believe here on the forum and throughout that perfection is never saying that a mistake was made.....I am tired of being lectured about my behavior when my behavior is not the problem.

Dead on.

Then there are those that keep wanting to imply (without a scintilla of proof and contrary to all known video) that maybe this obvious killing force by the cop was needed, because Mr. Floyd was on some kind of drug...that gave him superpowers. :oops:

Apologists, who make things up out of thin air, are 'almost' as bad...as the other cops that just sat there and watched a black man being murdered.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn, that the murdering cop was known by his co-officers to have been a bully toward African-American's forever and the blue veil of silence/union pressure kept him from being turned in...long before this tragedy. :ohdear:

[MEbner2805]

Biden is a corrupt medical examiner who was banned in many states! Nothing he does can be believed at all! The original unbiased medical examiner is the only one who can be believed!!!

[manaboutown]

Biden is a corrupt medical examiner who was banned in many states! Nothing he does can be believed at all! The original unbiased medical examiner is the only one who can be believed!!!

Do you mean Dr. Baden? Perhaps this was a Freudian slip! Lol!

[ColdNoMore]

Biden is a corrupt medical examiner who was banned in many states! Nothing he does can be believed at all! The original unbiased medical examiner is the only one who can be believed!!!

Do you have any proof of this?

:popcorn:

[Bucco]

Here is an episode on LivePD. Here an officer is leaning on this man's neck with his forearm. This happened in Pasco County, Florida in December of 2018. Listen and watch to the end.

I think I remember the statistics on death by drug overdose in 2019, as around 70,000 deaths. Sometimes drugs give people resisting arrest superhuman strength. Here it took three officers to get this man to allow them to put handcuffs on. And there was Cocaine.

I guess no matter which side you choose, you can always bring up that those weren't really HIS pants and the cops put the drugs on him.

I admit to being prejudiced toward law enforcement.

Watch this video.

Live PD - Resisting Arrest “I was eating a fu***** Apple fritter” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemCpXMiYjc)

Nation'''s police widely condemn move used to restrain George Floyd (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nation-s-police-widely-condemn-move-used-restrain-george-floyd-n1218386)

"Most of the nation's police departments have long cautioned their officers against putting pressure on the back or neck of someone lying face down during an arrest, as Minneapolis officers did to George Floyd.

There's widespread agreement in law enforcement that putting a knee on someone's neck — the move fired police Officer Derek Chauvin used to restrain Floyd — is especially dangerous.

"There hasn't been one person, one police chief, anyone I've talked to, who doesn't see this exactly the same way. The police officer and those who were there that day failed George Floyd," said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a law enforcement-oriented think tank based in Washington. "Every police officer that looked at that video who knows anything about tactics shook their head.


Nation'''s police widely condemn move used to restrain George Floyd (https://news.yahoo.com/nations-police-widely-condemn-move-204635742.html)


"A New Jersey police chief and several officers marched in solidarity with protesters in one of the state’s most violent cities on Saturday as part of a peaceful protest in the wake of George Floyd’s death.

The act was one of the latest shows of solidarity between law enforcement and those protesting in their communities nationwide."

New Jersey police officers help lead peaceful march for George Floyd in nation’s latest act of solidarity | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-police-officers-peaceful-march-protest-george-floyd)

Every single person supports the police but some continue to chant....
How anyone who is horrified must hate the police. This response is getting old after a few years.

[retiredguy123]

Whenever there is a trial, either criminal or civil, both sides will put expert witnesses on the stand who will provide evidence to support that side's case. You can find an expert to give any opinion you want if you pay them enough money. Baden is just another paid expert witness. If the jury has any common sense at all, they will just ignore the expert witnesses because their opposing opinions will cancel each other out.

[Joe V.]

Let the character assassination begin in order to justify the murder. Nothing new here.


Please point out who is justifying a murder? Semantics.

[rjn5656]

Why do we not see what led up to the incident? Were the cops in danger? Were they dealing a uncontrollable persons (drugs, etc)? Were they threatened? Our news does not show us any of that or report on that. If the answer is no to above, then the cop should be accountable. But until then, we should wait for a proper investigation.

[Bucco]

Why do we not see what led up to the incident? Were the cops in danger? Were they dealing a uncontrollable persons (drugs, etc)? Were they threatened? Our news does not show us any of that or report on that. If the answer is no to above, then the cop should be accountable. But until then, we should wait for a proper investigation.

Timeline: The impact of George Floyd'''s death in Minneapolis and beyond - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/timeline-impact-george-floyds-death-minneapolis/story?id=70999322)

New security video shows events leading up to George Floyd'''s arrest (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/new-security-video-shows-events-leading-up-to-george-floyd-s-arrest-83971141769)

George Floyd protests: How did we get here? (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/05/29/george-floyd-protests-how-did-we-get-here/5283225002/)

What we know about the events surrounding George Floyd’s death and its aftermath: a timeline | MinnPost (https://www.minnpost.com/metro/2020/05/what-we-know-about-the-events-surrounding-george-floyds-death-and-its-aftermath-a-timeline/)

George Floyd: What happened in the final moments of his life - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726)

I am not sure WHAT news you see that is not reported, but when you read all the above, let me know....many more.

[Bucco]

Please point out who is justifying a murder? Semantics.

The usual suspects on here keep repeating that those of us who feel this was horrific.....

,,,,hate the police
....are bleeding heart liberals
....do not understand the issue
....need to be punished for not supporting police

on and on and on.........the justification is those who will never ever admit a serious and horrendous mistake was made

The WORLD sees it and undertands

[anothersteve]

The usual suspects on here keep repeating that those of us who feel this was horrific.....

,,,,hate the police
....are bleeding heart liberals
....do not understand the issue
....need to be punished for not supporting police

on and on and on.........the justification is those who will never ever admit a serious and horrendous mistake was made

The WORLD sees it and undertands

Yes to all the above. I and many stated long ago in many posts that this was a disgusting and uncalled for act by tha ****head cop, I even went on to call him a pig, a word I despise relating to the Police.
Some hear think anyone that argues with them are all bigots and racists. Some always fan the flames, and they know they will with their posts. Very rarely if any time have I seen those few ever help anyone on this forum.
Yes I see and feel with all my heart,all the above, except the punishing for not supporting the Police. Everything else I agree with.
No we will see who comes back at me, those will be the ones.......
Steve

[graciegirl]

Why does a poster think that The Villages attract so many racists. Right there in that statement shows they are racist themselves to post such a stupid statement. The whole picture here is that people are quick to judge both Mr. Floyd and the police. The policeman did an unthinkable act by killing Mr. Floyd and we all can only second guess why he chose to go down that path. Let the courts and a jury decide his fate and we should all grieve for the family of Mr. Floyd. Mr. Floyd's past should not be a factor in his murder. Wait until all the facts are out in the open and we should stop the speculating of what did and did not happen. What happened the last week with the rioting and looting is doing nothing to protest the murder of George Floyd

Does it matter that Mr. Floyd was in prison for felony armed burglary? Does it matter that Mr.Chauvin was sited several times for excessive force?? I think it does on both gentlemen. Doesn't anyone remember being told that "your permanent record will follow you"???

I think it does. It does matter in both situations. I would not want either one to marry my cousin. My cousin deserves better than both of them. It isn't that someone is right or wrong, It is that someone is VERY right or VERY wrong and they keep doing the same stuff. That is called a pattern, a history. What is the best predictor of future behavior? The Catholic Church had it right but they changed it. They used to have mortal AND venial sin.

Oh man...I am just asking for it. But let's talk about stuff. It was wrong to do WHAT? Who started out being the wrongest???

[Nanny32162]

Because he is independent of political or governmental pressure. He performed the autopsy alongside the county medical examiner, who also concluded that it was murder.

[graciegirl]

Because he is independent of political or governmental pressure. He performed the autopsy alongside the county medical examiner, who also concluded that it was murder.

He? Who? When? Can you link us to this information?? This Mr. Baden performed his independent autopsy along with the original person who did the autopsy for the State? AND the original autopsyer agreed with the independent one that it was murder???????????

[Nanny32162]

I do believe that when one is first being arrested, as Mr. Floyd was being, the officers do not have your name, which means they do not have your record - clean or unclean. Once someone has served his/her time, it's done. This man had kept a clean record for a number of years. Let's get off Mr. Floyd and look at who caused all the unrest. One man, one police officer cause the cauldron of anger over racial inequality and racial injustice to boil over. Talk about Derek Chauvin and his previous use of excessive force. Chauvin is just one example of the many ways black men and women are treated unjustly, unfairly, and are killed needlessly by the white establishment.

[Bucco]

Does it matter that Mr. Floyd was in prison for felony armed burglary? Does it matter that Mr.Chauvin was sited several times for excessive force?? I think it does on both gentlemen. Doesn't anyone remember being told that "your permanent record will follow you"???

I think it does.

1. I know you believe all the world is protesting ONLY the Floyd situation, but you are in error.. it is a build up of the hypocrisy of the USA recently.

2. Not sure what to make out of what you say. It is fine to act irresponsibility because this man has a record ?

[ColdNoMore]

I do believe that when one is first being arrested, as Mr. Floyd was being, the officers do not have your name, which means they do not have your record - clean or unclean. Once someone has served his/her time, it's done. This man had kept a clean record for a number of years. Let's get off Mr. Floyd and look at who caused all the unrest. One man, one police officer cause the cauldron of anger over racial inequality and racial injustice to boil over. Talk about Derek Chauvin and his previous use of excessive force. Chauvin is just one example of the many ways black men and women are treated unjustly, unfairly, and are killed needlessly by the white establishment.

The vast majority of good cops, know exactly who in their midst...are scumbags like Chauvin.

What we need to find out, are the reasons they are reluctant to come forward to root the scum out...and then address THAT problem.

[graciegirl]

I do believe that when one is first being arrested, as Mr. Floyd was being, the officers do not have your name, which means they do not have your record - clean or unclean. Once someone has served his/her time, it's done. This man had kept a clean record for a number of years. Let's get off Mr. Floyd and look at who caused all the unrest. One man, one police officer cause the cauldron of anger over racial inequality and racial injustice to boil over. Talk about Derek Chauvin and his previous use of excessive force. Chauvin is just one example of the many ways black men and women are treated unjustly, unfairly, and are killed needlessly by the white establishment.

I don't know. I do know this. If Mr. Floyd was a regular at this mini-mart. If indeed he did come in with two other people earlier and they tried to use a fake twenty dollar bill and the clerk caught it and returned it to them...…...And then he returned...………

And they called the police and gave his name, the police always try to run the name in their computer.

There is so much we don't know and we don't really know who to trust when we read something...……...Other than the usual reliable ones...; The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, AP Wire. etc.etc.and etc. Not Mother Jones are The Epoch Times...….

[golfing eagles]

It appeared to me that the sustained compression to his neck not only blocked his airway, it also compromised blood flow to his brain by compressing his carotid artery. That likely caused brain death. The reason he died is because a bad cop caused his death. My son was a police officer, he would never had stood by and allowed this to happen. If I am correct, there were two autopsies, one by the family and one by the state medical examiner. Regardless of the technical reason he died, this never should have happened.

Absolutely never should have happened. I am still a bit confused as to how a man who can't breathe and has impaired circulation to his brain can talk. I'd like to see the full autopsy reports.

[graciegirl]

Dead on.

Then there are those that keep wanting to imply (without a scintilla of proof and contrary to all known video) that maybe this obvious killing force by the cop was needed, because Mr. Floyd was on some kind of drug...that gave him superpowers. :oops:

Apologists, who make things up out of thin air, are 'almost' as bad...as the other cops that just sat there and watched a black man being murdered.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn, that the murdering cop was known by his co-officers to have been a bully toward African-American's forever and the blue veil of silence/union pressure kept him from being turned in...long before this tragedy. :ohdear:


It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.

[regas56]

Biden is a corrupt medical examiner who was banned in many states! Nothing he does can be believed at all! The original unbiased medical examiner is the only one who can be believed!!! That's true and the Minneapolis Medical Examiner listed it as a Homicide..Easy to google 100 different news outlets that confirm it was a Murder plain and simple..

[regas56]

Absolutely never should have happened. I am still a bit confused as to how a man who can't breathe and has impaired circulation to his brain can talk. I'd like to see the full autopsy reports.You must know you can't breath and talk at the same time.. You ever been to a concert where the singer is holding a note for awhile and then is forced to stop and breathe? You heard the phrase stop and take a deep breath? That's probably going to be the cops idiot defense "Duh" I thought since he was talking he could breathe .. What a joke everyone knows you can't take air in (breathe) while you're expelling air out (talk)..

[ColdNoMore]

It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.


We agree! :thumbup:


.

[ColdNoMore]

You must know you can't breath and talk at the same time.. You ever been to a concert where the singer is holding a note for awhile and then is forced to stop and breathe? You heard the phrase stop and take a deep breath? That's probably going to be the cops idiot defense "Duh" I thought since he was talking he could breathe .. What a joke everyone knows you can't take air in (breathe) while you're expelling air out (talk)..

I applaud your attempt at common sense, but I'm afraid it will have little-to-no effect with those that (even subtly) will continue to try and deflect...from it being purposeful murder. :ohdear:

[Bucco]

It isn't surprising to me what some people think. I just wonder why they do. People are acting so predictably on this Forum according to their mind set.

What if the highlighted part above sounds to a lot of people as if the writer doesn't really think the law enforcement community is fair for the most part??? I really don't know what percentage of L.E.O. are black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American. Most of them look like decent folks to me. I don't know how many are gay or bi....but assuredly some are. What difference does race have to do with almost anything, unless we have pre-conceived ideas about people? People who go to church. People who pay their Taxes. People who don't. We all do have them...ideas about people. All of us. There are some that think old white conservative ladies all pee their pants and they all drive Corvettes and they all have nice husbands and they all watch MSNBC a lot to catch a glimpse of kin. Anyone who thinks we all are this or that or not emotionally intelligent.

AGREE with every word, but it seems that you and many only say that when it suits.

YEP....been pointed out on here many times......as much as our government leader(s) want to tag us very bad people if we do not walk lock step, thats not true.

As many baseless personal attacks and baseless accusations are made, there are groups that simply "buy in" and will never speak up. Why is that ? Only answer I recall is "whatever simply being whatever" and things such as that.

The labels you speak of are applied to skin color, ethnicity, and registration, with no thought that they are individual human beings....Americans who actually fought for their country.

Oh and it was nice of you to say that certain designated folks "Most of them look like decent folks to me. " That was really very magnanimous of you, but you know, if I said that about a group or a person, I will be attacked....strange world we are building.

Lets all look inward for once

[graciegirl]

AGREE with every word, but it seems that you and many only say that when it suits.

YEP....been pointed out on here many times......as much as our government leader(s) want to tag us very bad people if we do not walk lock step, thats not true.

As many baseless personal attacks and baseless accusations are made, there are groups that simply "buy in" and will never speak up. Why is that ? Only answer I recall is "whatever simply being whatever" and things such as that.

The labels you speak of are applied to skin color, ethnicity, and registration, with no thought that they are individual human beings....Americans who actually fought for their country.

Oh and it was nice of you to say that certain designated folks "Most of them look like decent folks to me. " That was really very magnanimous of you, but you know, if I said that about a group or a person, I will be attacked....strange world we are building.

Lets all look inward for once

Some people are so unaware of their own feelings they don't realize how others see mostly just one emotion when they communicate.

[sallybowron]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?
Why would it not be?

[Bucco]

Some people are so unaware of their own feelings they don't realize how others see mostly just one emotion when they communicate.

On the assumption that your smart remark is aimed at me, you are correct.

As you know, you and I agreed for many years.

I am very well aware of my feelings and we split on feelings when I just flat out refused to betray my feelings to a preposterous situation.

I stand in fear for a place I fought for, defended, and worked for. I stand in fear of a lot right now.

Because of that, I admit I have become full of one emotion when faced with a daily onset of lies, and hate.

I do not think I stand alone and I apologize to nobody for not giving up my moral standards and belief in the power of truth and empathy.

Some have simply rolled over and I have not. If that makes me the bad guy, so be it.

[bpascani]

He was unarmed, already hand cuffed, and there were 4 officers... This was beyond necessary. If he was being violent (with his hands cuffed behind his back), his other 3 officers would have been involved in helping. They were just standing there! Either way, he's dead now, at the hands of this officer...on tape.

[NJblue]

Here is an episode on LivePD. Here an officer is leaning on this man's neck with his forearm. This happened in Pasco County, Florida in December of 2018. Listen and watch to the end.

I think I remember the statistics on death by drug overdose in 2019, as around 70,000 deaths. Sometimes drugs give people resisting arrest superhuman strength. Here it took three officers to get this man to allow them to put handcuffs on. And there was Cocaine.

I guess no matter which side you choose, you can always bring up that those weren't really HIS pants and the cops put the drugs on him.

I admit to being prejudiced toward law enforcement.

Watch this video.

Live PD - Resisting Arrest “I was eating a fu***** Apple fritter” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemCpXMiYjc)

This video shows how police are supposed to do their job - use whatever force is required to get the subject under control and cuffed. This is exactly the opposite of how the Minneapolis police dealt with it. They had the person cuffed and well under control yet continued to exert deadly force. They should all spend time in prison. If I were a cop on the jury I would be the first to cast a guilty verdict since these bad cops have put my life in jeopardy.

As to his character or previous record, I don't care if he just committed armed robbery. Once the police did their job of apprehending and subduing him, they have no right to continue on to be judge, jury and executioner.

[fourandrew]

To be fair, I just have one question. How can an autopsy paid for by Floyd's family be called an "independent" review?
It's independent of the State Coroner's Report

[anothersteve]

/////
Steve

I had to delete because the Mods deleted some posts that I responded to, but failed to delete this one for some strange reason.
I didn't want to think I was directing my comment to anyone else.

Steve again

[graciegirl]

Twenty YEARS ago he was *arrested and charged* with possession. I see no mention that he was ever convicted of it. He did do 5 years for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. That happened over 10 years ago, and he only had to serve four years of his sentence.

Zero incidences since then. He has no "violent criminal past." He had a singular violent criminal incident in his life. Which isn't to excuse him, but it does seem to indicate that YOU are more interested in painting him as a lot worse than he was, for some nefarious reason.

George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

Normally I don't even read that website, but I followed the link. Thank you for showing the priors. Looks like it was all theft, and what amounts to fairly minor possession (less than a gram of cocaine - not something people would possess for sale, more like for personal use). And - it looks like he really was trying to stay legit for the past 10+ years.

[graciegirl]

George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

I wouldn't want to have a record like that.

[graciegirl]

George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

[manaboutown]

Normally I don't even read that website, but I followed the link. Thank you for showing the priors. Looks like it was all theft, and what amounts to fairly minor possession (less than a gram of cocaine - not something people would possess for sale, more like for personal use). And - it looks like he really was trying to stay legit for the past 10+ years.

Very funny. For aggravated robbery with a gun he was sentenced to five years in prison as that is not a fairly minor crime. It is a violent felony.

He was charged with having over four grams of coke he had for distribution. The charge was obviously plea bargained down, duh!

[ColdNoMore]

He was unarmed, already hand cuffed, and there were 4 officers... This was beyond necessary. If he was being violent (with his hands cuffed behind his back), his other 3 officers would have been involved in helping. They were just standing there! Either way, he's dead now, at the hands of this officer...on tape.

Exactly.

And now, just like so many who want to blame the victims of rape and sexual assault, the implied excuse that he had it coming since he had a police record...starts coming out of the woodwork from the usual suspects.

Even though none of that makes a damn difference...in murdering him.

Simply disgusting. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

Exactly.

And now, just like so many who want to blame the victims of rape and sexual assault, the implied excuse that he had it coming since he had a police record...starts coming out of the woodwork from the usual suspects.

Even though none of that makes a damn difference...in murdering him.

Simply disgusting. :ohdear:


I don't think it is a good thing to have a police record for armed robbery. Did you imply I implied something? In Ohio we would say you are "et up". We don't want our children to have a police record. We wouldn't want one ourselves. It implies whatever having a prison record implies. It isn't an honor.

I don't think it is "simply disgusting" to discuss the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It does not change that he is dead.

[Bay Kid]

Where did George work? He must of had a good job. He was driving around in a Mercedes. Saw his wife on the news, beautiful nails, hair, and jewelry.

[Get real]

Like most paid litigation experts, Baden's report is drafted to fit the narrative of the side who is paying him...no credibility.

Thank you.

[retiredguy123]

Where did George work? He must of had a good job. He was driving around in a Mercedes. Saw his wife on the news, beautiful nails, hair, and jewelry.
Floyd was not married.

He had worked in Minneapolis as a truck driver and as a security guard in a restaurant, but it is not clear when he was employed.

[jerseyjoy]

Five stints in jail. Armed home invasion with resident held at gunpoint.
George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

[Denny9]

How quick are some politicians to throw police under the bus when politically expedient. Considering Mr. Floyd’s violent criminal past of armed robbery and drug dealing I am inclined to give police officers the benefit of the doubt unless shown otherwise after an investigation. The restraint technique of kneeling on a suspects is permitted by law if not excessive. More facts will emerge to reach a final and just judgement.

How would these officers know about any past experiences when initially confronting George Floyd? But the real key to this comment concerns restraint techniques. If having multiple officers kneeling on a suspect with one keeping his full weight on the neck for nine minutes isn't excessive I'd sure like to hear what it would have to be in order to be classified as excessive.

[NJblue]

Five stints in jail. Armed home invasion with resident held at gunpoint.
George Floyd left Texas prison to start new life in Minneapolis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html)

It amazes me that anyone thinks that a criminal past has anything to do with this situation. No person, regardless of their past (or present), should be subjected to a death sentence by a cop when the person was fully subdued by handcuffs and four armed policemen. Floyd presented zero risk to these officers.

I am normally one to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but this case is so cut and dried that it saddens me that fellow Villagers can see it in any other way.

[Bay Kid]

Floyd was not married.

He had worked in Minneapolis as a truck driver and as a security guard in a restaurant, but it is not clear when he was employed.

Yep, sorry. That was just the mother of his child. She must have a great job.

He did work as a security guard part time for many years, with the policeman that killed him. Some history with these guys?

[Lindsyburnsy]

It is an independant autopsy, because it was ordered by a private individual rather than the one the city coroner uses. We all saw what happened. Even if the victim had high BP or a bad heart, or whatever, he was alive and fine 10 minutes before his neck was compressed for 8 minutes.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Why should a spouse be judged by what their spouse does?

[ColdNoMore]

It amazes me that anyone thinks that a criminal past has anything to do with this situation. No person, regardless of their past (or present), should be subjected to a death sentence by a cop when the person was fully subdued by handcuffs and four armed policemen. Floyd presented zero risk to these officers.

I am normally one to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but this case is so cut and dried that it saddens me that fellow Villagers can see it in any other way.

PERFECTLY summed up. :thumbup:

[Get real]

"Some reports" are saying that the cop was a racist...even in elementary school.

of course they are. That is the narrative they want. The truth be damned.

[graciegirl]

First Responders Warned About Accidental Fentanyl Exposure (https://drugabuse.com/first-responders-worry-about-accidental-fentanyl-exposure/)

Did any of you read the autopsy results from Hennepin County that said that George Floyd had "contributing factors" of Fentanyl and Methamphetamine intoxicant".

I do think that the police officers were negligent but I still support the knee on neck procedure for them to use when a person is strongly resisting arrest.

I think it is wrong to prejudge groups of people such as police officers and people who are addicted to drugs AND I think we still will hear many more FACTS about all of this sad incident, BUT I doubt no matter WHAT we learn, most people will NOT change their mind.

I think most of the terrible things that have happened are because of all of our unrealistic expectations of almost all people as a society. I do think that if a person has been investigated for issues with excessive force more than twice he/she should be fired THEN and I do believe that someone that has been sentenced to prison four times is not a good upstanding citizen but should not die from hatred and negligence. I think that drug addiction and all of the things that are related to it are one of the underlying factors for much of felony crime...and I don't know what the hell we as a society can do to stop it.

I don't think ANY of the horrible things are as simple as some people make them.

I know that again, when I smile at many black people who I will run into for many years, they will not smile back. That in itself is very, very, sad and troubling.

[Get real]

It amazes me that anyone thinks that a criminal past has anything to do with this situation. No person, regardless of their past (or present), should be subjected to a death sentence by a cop when the person was fully subdued by handcuffs and four armed policemen. Floyd presented zero risk to these officers.

I am normally one to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but this case is so cut and dried that it saddens me that fellow Villagers can see it in any other way.

Absolutely right except your last sentence. None of us were there. But yes, it LOOKS bad. No cop has the right to be an executioner.

[Lottoguy]

Floyd also tested positive for the Coronavirus in his system.

[golfing eagles]

Floyd also tested positive for the Coronavirus in his system.

Proof?????

[retiredguy123]

Proof?????
It was on the news today that he tested positive for Coronavirus in early April. He also tested positive for Fentanyl and Meth.

[graciegirl]

Proof?????

I read that just this morning and I will link it because it was a reliable source. (AP wire) It said he tested positive on APRIL 3rd. and he was asymptomatic...This also from the Hennepin County Coroners report with approval to publish by the family.

Certainly not contributing to his death. (Test for Covid-19)

Here is the link, Doc....Autopsy report shows Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsy-report-shows-floyd-had-tested-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB1505Z9?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds)

[manaboutown]

I read that just this morning and I will link it because it was a reliable source. (AP wire) It said he tested positive on APRIL 3rd. and he was asymptomatic...This also from the Hennepin County Coroners report with approval to publish by the family.

Certainly not contributing to his death. (Test for Covid-19)

Here is the link, Doc....Autopsy report shows Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autopsy-report-shows-floyd-had-tested-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB1505Z9?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds)

I wonder if his death will show up in the Chinese coronavirus statistics as dying from it to puff up the death rate as so many deaths unrelated to the virus have.

[graciegirl]

Here is the transcript of the 911 call. I had not read it until now. I could not find any mugshots of George Floyd and I asked the browser how things are removed from Bing. You can do the same if you wish. I was surprised how public record can be removed from browser. I bet you will be too. It is troubling to me.

Anyhow, the transcript;

George Floyd: Minneapolis police release 911 call that led to arrest - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-911-calls/index.html)

[Biggles]

By compression on the neck as the video shows.

George Floyd'''s family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today?fbclid=IwAR2meDSVEL9wFfMDD18u8Aupxagt31XpUCn kKxbHqB92Yygz8bUwxo5dkvU)
The media story is that George Floyd died from asphyxiation—“I can’t breathe”—from a police officer’s knee on his neck. This story is not supported by the autopsy and toxicology reports.
The autopsy report says Floyd died of a heart attack and that no life-threatening injuries were inflicted by police restraint. The medical examiner found no physical evidence to “support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The toxicology report says that the concentration of Fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was more than three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid. Reports that the coroner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide are incorrect. The word “homicide” does not appear in the report.
As for Floyd’s neck, the autopsy report states there are “no areas of contusion or hemorrhage . . . The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.”
Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD) typically results from fatal drug overdose. The condition results in breathing problems and cardiopulmonary arrest. These were the symptoms that Floyd showed.
The full Coroner Report can be found by clicking on the following link:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

[blueash]

The media story is that George Floyd died from asphyxiation—“I can’t breathe”—from a police officer’s knee on his neck. This story is not supported by the autopsy and toxicology reports.
The autopsy report says Floyd died of a heart attack and that no life-threatening injuries were inflicted by police restraint. The medical examiner found no physical evidence to “support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” The toxicology report says that the concentration of Fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was more than three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid. Reports that the coroner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide are incorrect. The word “homicide” does not appear in the report.
As for Floyd’s neck, the autopsy report states there are “no areas of contusion or hemorrhage . . . The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.”
Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD) typically results from fatal drug overdose. The condition results in breathing problems and cardiopulmonary arrest. These were the symptoms that Floyd showed.
The full Coroner Report can be found by clicking on the following link:
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

Hi,
You posted almost exactly the same comments on another thread (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/doctors-kill-more-unarmed-civilians-than-police-308479/index2.html) and I refuted your points but you didn't have the opportunity I guess to respond there. Instead you posted your incomplete and wrong information here. The highlights are that the Medical examiners office of the county listed his cause of death as a HOMICIDE not as a drug death or a cardiac death. A Homicide. For the full reply CLICK HERE (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/doctors-kill-more-unarmed-civilians-than-police-308479/index2.html) and page down to the comment posted at 1:27 PM. I will include the same snip from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office release giving the cause of death.

Please understand that I see how you can be confused by the difference between the descriptive findings on an autopsy and the conclusion as to cause of death. The ME is very aware that the actions of the LEO does not have to leave a physical finding to be the proximate cause of death. Of course all deaths ultimately are from cardiac arrest. The question is why did Mr. Lloyd's heart stop. Answer per the ME, he was a homicide victim.