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VillageLiberal
06-02-2020, 11:05 PM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

JimJohnson
06-03-2020, 03:59 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.
In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

Dgizzi
06-03-2020, 04:26 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.
Thank You for the warning. I will make sure I stay in my home. Cause there is no such THING as a “peaceful” protest. Not in this day and age.

Dgizzi
06-03-2020, 04:30 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

golfing eagles
06-03-2020, 04:41 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

That's fine with me. As long as they remain "peaceful". We'll see.

Dgizzi
06-03-2020, 05:08 AM
That's fine with me. As long as they remain "peaceful". We'll see.
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

JimJohnson
06-03-2020, 05:13 AM
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

The issue for most Americans is that the 4 police officers involved in the death, should be charged. No one is blaming all police. Also, it DID HAPPEN HERE. This is the United States of America.

JimJohnson
06-03-2020, 05:16 AM
I believe that without the right to protest, this would be a bad country to live in.

Stu from NYC
06-03-2020, 06:04 AM
Nothing wrong with a protest as long as it stays peaceful

golfing eagles
06-03-2020, 06:45 AM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

There are peaceful protests, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem isn't the local protesters, it's the professional agitators sent in by Soros, BLM, ANTIFA, Jackson and Sharpton that cause the problems. And before CNM jumps in, Neonazis, skinheads, and the KKK cause the same problems.

Bay Kid
06-03-2020, 06:51 AM
Protest! Close down businesses while you protest. Don't these people ever work? Oh, some are getting paid.

golfing eagles
06-03-2020, 06:53 AM
Protest! Close down businesses while you protest. Don't these people ever work? Oh, some are getting paid.

And to add insult to injury, WE are the ones paying them

Viperguy
06-03-2020, 06:59 AM
So how many innocent police officers have been injured or killed since this thing got started? Think they will receive any justice? Just sayin.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 07:15 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

amexsbow
06-03-2020, 07:17 AM
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

JimJohnson
06-03-2020, 07:28 AM
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

VillageLiberal
06-03-2020, 08:31 AM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 08:48 AM
Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks. :oops:

John41
06-03-2020, 09:16 AM
Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

kcrazorbackfan
06-03-2020, 09:40 AM
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

Thank you for the support of the good Police Officers in America.

And for those of you that DO NOT SUPPORT Law Enforcement, or think all of them are bad, there will be a instance in your life where you’ll need the Police and when that time comes, go %#*^ yourself.

graciegirl
06-03-2020, 09:46 AM
You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks. :oops:

A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3fhgA3wrAc)




Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3fhgA3wrAc)

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 09:58 AM
A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3fhgA3wrAc)

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3fhgA3wrAc)

The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now. :oops:

GoodLife
06-03-2020, 10:18 AM
You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks. :oops:

I don't recall the Rambo wannabes injuring or killing any cops, looting stores, burning down buildings etc but other than that you've produced an outstanding false equivalence.

GoodLife
06-03-2020, 10:25 AM
Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

So is leading a life of crime.

graciegirl
06-03-2020, 10:28 AM
No one should be forced to support...prejudiced and/or racist cops.

There's a member still posting here, claiming to be a retired LEO (not you) who when he thought names didn't show in the old Political Forum...made an outrageously racist post regarding black children.

Once he realized that his user name WAS visible, he ran like a scared little rabbit...and didn't post in that forum again.

And yet, it gave us an excellent insight into at least one cop...and his view regarding race.

I was personally so outraged, I can provide both the post and the user name...if you so want.

And are we supposed to believe that he is the only LEO...with those abhorrent and disgusting views?

Are we supposed to also support those people...simply because they are law enforcement officers?

I absolutely support and give my utmost admiration to the vast majority of those who truly "protect & serve" everyone, but have absolutely no use for those who don't think everyone deserves the same treatment...nor the ones who stay silent or support those that are scum.


WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

Bucco
06-03-2020, 11:26 AM
WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

npwalters
06-03-2020, 11:44 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

each generation becomes more conservative as they age (in terms of percentage of the population) because they have experienced more of life as it actually is versus how they imagined it would be.

JimJohnson
06-03-2020, 12:32 PM
The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now. :oops:
Don’t waste your breath. It was murder....

fdpaq0580
06-03-2020, 12:58 PM
I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

I like your post. I like that you try to state your view as clearly and concisely as possible. I think much of what you say has merit. For example, the need to listen. I sometimes thInk folks are preparing their rebuttal before they really digest what someone was trying to convey. I also suspect some attempt to read between the lines and end up writing between the lines. Blog posts, tweets, sound bites, seldom tell the whole story and many people who are really on the same side end up bickering because of differences in manner of expression.
After several days of reading, viewing, here is some of my take-aways.
A man is dead. Justice for Mr. Floyd is too late. Justice for those involved in his death remains to be seen.
The demonstrations proclaiming justice for George Floyd won't restore his life, so it is not really about him, it is about social injustice. Peaceful protest draws positive attention to the need to continue to address the problem of social injustice. Rioting and looting, violence and mayhem draws negative attention and is harmful and regressive in dealing with the issue of social injustice. Riots and looting is often a tool of hate groups that want to divide us. Mr. Floyd deserves to be quietly mourned by those who loved him and not be made a spectacle of by those who never knew him but are more than willing to hijack this tragedy for their own agendas. Lastly, the discussion of social injustice needs to go forward, people need to listen and try to understand all points of view before we can step into a better future side by side, hand in hand, leaving bitterness and hatred in the past where it belongs.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:09 PM
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...
Don't you realize you are comparing apples and oranges? You don't protest against individuals or criminal gangs. You protest to get the government or other institutions to change their ways. Did the government kill those police officers? Um, no. But, that doesn't matter to you, anyway.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:14 PM
Thank you for the support of the good Police Officers in America.

And for those of you that DO NOT SUPPORT Law Enforcement, or think all of them are bad, there will be a instance in your life where you’ll need the Police and when that time comes, go %#*^ yourself.
I think I can guarantee you that virtually no one thinks all police officers are bad. There are a few bad ones, but, unfortunately, they are protected by the institutions and often get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for murder.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:25 PM
I don't recall the Rambo wannabes injuring or killing any cops, looting stores, burning down buildings etc but other than that you've produced an outstanding false equivalence.
Yeah, and they weren't protesting anything like murderous cops that go free. They were complaining that they couldn't have a beer at the bar and other minor things.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:36 PM
So is leading a life of crime.
If only it were only criminals who are brutalized by racist cops. Becoming a cop is a choice and they know what they are getting into beforehand. Being born with black skin is not a choice. MANY decent, law-abiding, productive black people have been harassed by racist cops for merely having black skin.

Would you want to trade places with them? I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to have a panic attack because I fear I might die every time I see flashing lights coming up behind me when I'm in my car. Oh, no! Is a tail light out? I hope this guy doesn't kill me. That's what black people deal with every day of their lives. Do you?

Show a little sympathy for people less fortunate than you.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:40 PM
CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.
Well, then why don't the good ones demand that the violent racists be punished for what they do? If they think they are being diminished, then they damn well better do something about it.

Windguy
06-03-2020, 01:59 PM
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(

daveersk
06-03-2020, 02:23 PM
Law Enforcement is the glue that holds our country together.

When I see disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement, It makes me sad & anxious for the country.

Every group of people have rotten apples, this is what occurred with this case.

It’s extremely disheartening to see the total disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement.

Remember:
Most likely someday you’ll need Law Enforcement in some capacity.

God Bless America!

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 02:42 PM
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(YEP!:(

Just down the street...not that long go (2014).

Fruitland Park KKK Cops Fired (put robe on here) (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/police-ku-klux-klan-florida-fruitland-park)

Ann Hunnewell and her central Florida police officer husband knelt in the living room of a fellow officer's home, with pillow cases as makeshift hoods over their heads. A few words were spoken and they, along with a half-dozen others, were initiated into the local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, she says.

Last week, that initiation ceremony, which took place five years ago, stunned residents of the small town of Fruitland Park, who found out an investigative report linked two city officers with the secret hate society that once was violently active in the area. Ann Hunnewell's ex-husband, George Hunnewell, was fired, and deputy chief David Borst resigned from the 13-member Fruitland Park Police Department. Borst has denied being a member.

James Elkins, a third officer who Ann Hunnewell says recruited her and her husband, resigned in 2010 after his Klan ties became public.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 02:45 PM
Well, then why don't the good ones demand that the violent racists be punished for what they do? If they think they are being diminished, then they damn well better do something about it.

Exactly.

Silence is complicity.

John_W
06-03-2020, 05:17 PM
Law Enforcement is the glue that holds our country together.

When I see disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement, It makes me sad & anxious for the country.

Every group of people have rotten apples, this is what occurred with this case.

It’s extremely disheartening to see the total disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement.

Remember:
Most likely someday you’ll need Law Enforcement in some capacity.

God Bless America!

No one could of said all that any better. That's what these young people don't seem to get, that one day, someday, it will happen, they're going to have to call 911.

Velvet
06-03-2020, 05:31 PM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Well WE were supposed to be that way among the flower children in the 60’s and 70’s. What happened?

Kenswing
06-03-2020, 06:00 PM
Exactly.

Silence is complicity.
How so?

If I posted 50 times a day on this forum lecturing people, would it make me any less complicit?

I didn't know that making noise granted relief from complicity.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 06:11 PM
How so?

If I posted 50 times a day on this forum lecturing people, would it make me any less complicit?

I didn't know that making noise granted relief from complicity.

It has nothing to do with the number of posts and everything to do with having the spine, in spite of peer pressure, to consistently stand up for what's right...regardless of the venue.

That could be anything from writing those who represent you, to volunteering, donating or standing with...those who are the most oppressed.

And yes...I've done all.

Not doing anything, or worse, denying the problem exists in the first place...is the complicity.

anothersteve
06-03-2020, 06:18 PM
It has nothing to do with the number of posts and everything to do with having the spine, in spite of peer pressure, to consistently stand up for what's right...regardless of the venue.

That could be anything from writing those who represent you, to volunteering, donating or standing with...those who are the most oppressed.

And yes...I've done all.

Not doing anything, or worse, denying the problem exists in the first place...is the complicity.


Plenty of others here have done, and keep doing it all. You don't know all about everyone.

Steve

Kenswing
06-03-2020, 06:18 PM
It has nothing to do with the number of posts and everything to do with having the spine, in spite of peer pressure, to consistently stand up for what's right...regardless of the venue.

That could be anything from writing those who represent you, to volunteering, donating or standing with...those who are the most oppressed.

And yes...I've done all.

Not doing anything, or worse, denying the problem exists in the first place...is the complicity.

Nope. That's your idea of complicity.

Webster's definition is: "Association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act."

Just because someone remains silent, in no way makes them complicit no matter how much you would like it to. Silence does not equal association or participation. Silence is simply the absence of sound.

anothersteve
06-03-2020, 06:22 PM
Nope. That's your idea of complicity.

Webster's definition is: "Association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act."

Just because someone remains silent, in no way makes them complicit no matter how much you would like it to. Silence does not equal association or participation. Silence is simply the absence of sound.

Well said, thanks.
Steve

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 06:26 PM
Plenty of others here have done, and keep doing it all. You don't know all about everyone.

Steve

I realize that a lot of others help.

You can usually tell...by how they post. ;)

anothersteve
06-03-2020, 06:29 PM
Nope. That's your idea of complicity.

Webster's definition is: "Association or participation in or as if in a wrongful act."

Just because someone remains silent, in no way makes them complicit no matter how much you would like it to. Silence does not equal association or participation. Silence is simply the absence of sound.

Well said, thanks.
Steve

manaboutown
06-03-2020, 06:35 PM
How so?

If I posted 50 times a day on this forum lecturing people, would it make me any less complicit?

I didn't know that making noise granted relief from complicity.

When I was a child yapping on and on about whatever my grandmother used to tell me "An empty barrel makes the most noise.". She was right on the money!

Bucco
06-03-2020, 06:37 PM
Well said, thanks.
Steve

Not foreveryone, I suppose...but worth a thought maybe...
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"“Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly.”
― Mahatma Gandhi"

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anothersteve
06-03-2020, 06:51 PM
"The wise man seeks knowledge, he just never has the idiocy to believe he knows everything. The minute he starts thinking he’s an expert is the minute he stops being flexible. The minute he grows arrogant is the minute he stops learning."

We could quote till the cows come home.

I found that on the innertube by the way.

Makes sense to me
Steve

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 06:56 PM
Not for everyone, I suppose...but worth a thought maybe...
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"Silence becomes cowardice when occasion demands speaking out the whole truth and acting accordingly.”

― Mahatma Gandhi"

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Absolutely...dead on. :ho:

VillageLiberal
06-03-2020, 06:58 PM
Law Enforcement is the glue that holds our country together.

When I see disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement, It makes me sad & anxious for the country.

Every group of people have rotten apples, this is what occurred with this case.

It’s extremely disheartening to see the total disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement.

Remember:
Most likely someday you’ll need Law Enforcement in some capacity.

God Bless America!

I don't believe what we're witnessing is a disrespect for all law enforcement. Clearly we've seen on most news channels peaceful protestors and law enforcement taking knees together. As Barack Obama said this evening in a worldwide telecast, most law enforcement officers are not racist (not his words), most would never kill they people they are sworn to protect. However there are still a bunch which truly want to kill African Americans because they believe them to be inferior humans and blame them for everything that is wrong with America. This thinking IS WRONG!!! If you believe that people of color are the problem with America, then you only need to look in the mirror to see who is the real problem in America.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 07:09 PM
I don't believe what we're witnessing is a disrespect for all law enforcement. Clearly we've seen on most news channels peaceful protestors and law enforcement taking knees together. As Barack Obama said this evening in a worldwide telecast, most law enforcement officers are not racist (not his words), most would never kill they people they are sworn to protect.

However there are still a bunch which truly want to kill African Americans because they believe them to be inferior humans and blame them for everything that is wrong with America. This thinking IS WRONG!!!

If you believe that people of color are the problem with America, then you only need to look in the mirror to see who is the real problem in America.

Yep.

The ultimate irony being, that a lot of that hate from certain white folks is that they are petrified...of becoming the minority.

Now, why in the world would they be...so fearful of that?

Oh yeah, that's right, maybe it's because they know how minorities have been treated in this country...and they don't want it happening to them? :oops:


Fear Drives Hate (poke here) (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/21/pew-survey-whites-fearful-minority-country-will-weaken-american-culture/3217218002/)

Almost half of white Americans say the USA becoming a majority nonwhite nation would "weaken American customs and values," a new Pew Research Center survey says.

"The finding speaks for itself. It suggests concern broadly held by whites about a majority-minority country," says Rich Morin, a senior editor at Pew Research Center.

mtdjed
06-03-2020, 08:07 PM
And how many illegal police killings are happening. I realize that one is too many, but this dialogue sounds like hundreds. I'm betting that more police are being killed than there are of innocent citizens.

OrangeBlossomBaby
06-03-2020, 09:06 PM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

The Montgomery Bus Boycott (1955–1956)
Objective: Lessen racial segregation and inequality for blacks in the American South

Method of Protest: Montgomery’s black population refused to use public transportation.

Results: An Alabama district court ruled that the racial segregation was unlawful. The decision was appealed but upheld by the Supreme Court.

Was the Protest a Success? Yes. It also served as the impetus for the civil rights movement of the 1960s.


The Lust Lady Strike of San Francisco (1997)
Objective: Ability for strippers at San Francisco’s Lusty Lady club to form a union

Method of Protest: Strippers went on strike protesting outside the club and asking patrons not to enter unless the women were allowed to form a union.

Results: After a lengthy legal battle, the dancers were permitted to form a union

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

The “Lactivists” at Applebee’s (2007)
Objective: Stop discrimination against public breastfeeding at Applebee’s Restaurants

Method of Protest: A “Nurse-in” was scheduled — across the country, breastfeeding mothers would nurse their infants in plain view of Applebee’s.

Results: Applebee’s put out a statement saying “This situation has provided an opportunity for us to work with our associates to ensure we’re making nursing mothers feel welcome….we will also accommodate other guests who would be more comfortable moving to another area of the restaurant.”

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

Now, it can be argued that strippers being able to form a union might not be "good." And perhaps you are uncomfortable seeing a woman breastfeeding her child so for you - that might not be "good."

But unless you're here to tell us that you feel blacks should have been kept segregated and forced to sit at the back of the bus...you'll have to admit that you were incorrect in your statement that "nothing good" comes from peaceful protest.

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 09:24 PM
SNIP> ......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy...<SNIP


A REAL LIFE "strong guy" spoke today...and it was extremely powerful & truthful. :bigbow:



.

Northwoods
06-03-2020, 09:29 PM
Well, then why don't the good ones demand that the violent racists be punished for what they do? If they think they are being diminished, then they damn well better do something about it.

I know a number of retired of police officers who feel cops that abuse their power should be punished. I know two current Central FL police officers who have PUBLICLY said that "No one despises a bad cop more than a good cop."
Don't assume there isn't recognition that there are bad cops, and that bad cops should be punished.

anothersteve
06-03-2020, 09:29 PM
A REAL LIFE "strong guy" spoke today...and it was extremely powerful & truthful. :bigbow:



.

Don't keep us in suspense, who might that be?
Steve

mtdjed
06-03-2020, 09:43 PM
The Montgomery Bus Boycott (1955–1956)
Objective: Lessen racial segregation and inequality for blacks in the American South

Method of Protest: Montgomery’s black population refused to use public transportation.

Results: An Alabama district court ruled that the racial segregation was unlawful. The decision was appealed but upheld by the Supreme Court.

Was the Protest a Success? Yes. It also served as the impetus for the civil rights movement of the 1960s.


The Lust Lady Strike of San Francisco (1997)
Objective: Ability for strippers at San Francisco’s Lusty Lady club to form a union

Method of Protest: Strippers went on strike protesting outside the club and asking patrons not to enter unless the women were allowed to form a union.

Results: After a lengthy legal battle, the dancers were permitted to form a union

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

The “Lactivists” at Applebee’s (2007)
Objective: Stop discrimination against public breastfeeding at Applebee’s Restaurants

Method of Protest: A “Nurse-in” was scheduled — across the country, breastfeeding mothers would nurse their infants in plain view of Applebee’s.

Results: Applebee’s put out a statement saying “This situation has provided an opportunity for us to work with our associates to ensure we’re making nursing mothers feel welcome….we will also accommodate other guests who would be more comfortable moving to another area of the restaurant.”

Was the Protest a Success? Yes

Now, it can be argued that strippers being able to form a union might not be "good." And perhaps you are uncomfortable seeing a woman breastfeeding her child so for you - that might not be "good."

But unless you're here to tell us that you feel blacks should have been kept segregated and forced to sit at the back of the bus...you'll have to admit that you were incorrect in your statement that "nothing good" comes from peaceful protest.

Well, you are not responding to the fact that the protests we are seeing now are not peaceful. Piles of bricks positioned at protest sights, cars ramming into police, bombing ATMS, looting, injuring and killing people. You have to consider the whole. Sure there are some protests that start out peaceful. But that opportunity then brings on those that have nothing good in mind. It happens all the time and we can all see it. So those starting the peaceful protests should be just as responsible for the bad deeds it precipitates.

John_W
06-03-2020, 10:00 PM
Protesters Grab $2.4 Million Worth of Watches from Soho Rolex Store

https://external-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCPkVuOSY4znPZI&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.analyzingamerica.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F06%2FScreen-Shot-2020-06-02-at-5.45.24-PM.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQD5Qjg2P1eefA-6

ColdNoMore
06-03-2020, 10:07 PM
Protesters Grab $2.4 Million Worth of Watches from Soho Rolex Store

https://external-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCPkVuOSY4znPZI&w=540&h=282&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.analyzingamerica.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F06%2FScreen-Shot-2020-06-02-at-5.45.24-PM.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQD5Qjg2P1eefA-6

Conflicting reports of looting at Soho Rolex store (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/looters-swipe-2-4m-worth-of-watches-from-soho-rolex-store/)

Oops...fake news again. :ho:

“The Rolex store is empty,” a police source said. “They stole like $2.4 million in Rolexes.”

But the store’s spokesman said “no watches of any kind were stolen, as there weren’t any on display in the store.

There were simply windows broken and some vitrines smashed.”

mtdjed
06-03-2020, 10:41 PM
No replies to how many illegal police incidents that people are responding to verse number of illegal incidents against police. Does anyone have that answer?

Two Bills
06-04-2020, 03:48 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

The policemen who committed this crime were not old white men, they wern't even all white men either!!
So don't include me, and the majority of us old guys in your BS about 'old white men!'

TGIF32162
06-04-2020, 04:42 AM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.
So, nothing good came from the Boston Tea Party on Dec. 16, 1773?

alfredpopcorn@gmail.com
06-04-2020, 05:28 AM
ASMS
Remember anarchist rioters this is Florida ( no retreat) don’t be smashing on anyone car windows !

600th Photo Sq
06-04-2020, 05:37 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

This protesting has gotten very old and honestly boring. Everyone gets it.

The individuals involved have been arrested and will likely spend years in jail.

So just exactly what do you hope to accomplish. :shocked:

rdmills
06-04-2020, 05:43 AM
Just think if no crime was reported we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Leadbone1
06-04-2020, 05:45 AM
In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

That is ridiculous. Things have changed tremendously since the 60s. Every time an isolated incident like this happens there is a gross overreaction which is exactly what’s happening right now. Every week in this country there are hundreds of blacks, Hispanics, and whites killed in major cities across the country. Police are killed practically every week in this country for no more crime than wearing a uniform. There are no protests or riots for them? Why this, why now? I know the answer, but I don’t think you do!

Windguy
06-04-2020, 05:50 AM
This protesting has gotten very old and honestly boring. Everyone gets it.

The individuals involved have been arrested and will likely spend years in jail.

So just exactly what do you hope to accomplish. :shocked:

It’s apparent you still don’t see the systemic racism in our society. That’s what the continuing protests are about. The murder was just the trigger. You can push people only so far.

Windguy
06-04-2020, 05:55 AM
That is ridiculous. Things have changed tremendously since the 60s. Every time an isolated incident like this happens there is a gross overreaction which is exactly what’s happening right now. Every week in this country there are hundreds of blacks, Hispanics, and whites killed in major cities across the country. Police are killed practically every week in this country for no more crime than wearing a uniform. There are no protests or riots for them? Why this, why now? I know the answer, but I don’t think you do!

Wake up! People are upset about systemic racism. The murder was merely the match that started the conflagration.

noslices1
06-04-2020, 05:58 AM
In 2019 there were 10 black men killed by the police. 5 were armed, one said he was armed and was going to kill people and one was supposedly accidental when the officer’s gun discharged when there was a struggle for it. The officers were charged in the other three. In 2016 there were 64 black men killed by police, so it seems that the police ARE doing better with race relations, not WORSE like the MSM wants you to believe.

cwhitecat
06-04-2020, 06:15 AM
The issue for most Americans is that the 4 police officers involved in the death, should be charged. No one is blaming all police. Also, it DID HAPPEN HERE. This is the United States of America.

The policemen involved have been charged so why stir things up more with a protest. Show gratification that they are finally punishing those who did the crime.

bluecenturian
06-04-2020, 06:17 AM
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

sblb
06-04-2020, 06:24 AM
Read “Devil in the Grove” by Gilbert King. The story of the Groveland Fl. Boys.
The Tri county area is rife with racial injustice.

Henryfrakl
06-04-2020, 06:24 AM
Who is the racsist, please re read what you said.

kenoc7
06-04-2020, 06:25 AM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

Then you haven't been watching.

jerseyjoy
06-04-2020, 06:37 AM
Exactly. No doubt there continues to be discrimination of all types in this country. But in this case, the man was arrested because he committed a crime. He was 6'6" and agitated, so he was held down. Autopsy says he had heart disease, meth and fentanyl in his system, and had tested positive for COVID the month before. Sadly, they probably thought his cries for air were a ploy. Heartbreaking for all involved.

toeser
06-04-2020, 06:41 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

Sorry, I would have a hard time working with an organization that displays a closed fist on its posters. That's not exactly a peace symbol.

Bay Kid
06-04-2020, 06:42 AM
There is something fishy going on in this country.

Just Me
06-04-2020, 06:43 AM
Protests=In alienable rights for all for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

kendi
06-04-2020, 07:03 AM
Thank You for the warning. I will make sure I stay in my home. Cause there is no such THING as a “peaceful” protest. Not in this day and age.

Sure there is, media just doesn't cover it. Saw some great peaceful protests on our home town.

nancymiller217@yahoo.com
06-04-2020, 07:03 AM
The problem isn't the local protesters, it's the professional agitators sent in by Soros, BLM, ANTIFA, Jackson and Sharpton that cause the problems. And before CNM jumps in, Neonazis, skinheads, and the KKK cause the same problems.

The rallies mentioned in the original post are all BLM.

life is fun
06-04-2020, 07:06 AM
Amen!

kendi
06-04-2020, 07:06 AM
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

You lost me as soon as you referenced The Washington Post as reporting FACTS.

chickyboots
06-04-2020, 07:09 AM
We formed our country through protests.

Bucco
06-04-2020, 07:10 AM
The rallies mentioned in the original post are all BLM.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protests-white-instigators/2020/06/01/b916bd98-a426-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

Lindsyburnsy
06-04-2020, 07:32 AM
Not if you watch certain cable news channels. DC protest was peaceful until they were gassed, shot at and buzzed by a military helicopter in order to make way for a repugnant photo op.

MandoMan
06-04-2020, 07:36 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Having recently retired after decades teaching college students, I believe you are definitely right that they are less racist or misogynistic or homophobic than their parents or grandparents. (They’ve been trained well in grade school.) However, many of them are very bigoted against people they consider racist or homophobic or whatever (whether they are or not). You have to follow their Politically Correct Party Line exactly or risk their hatred and attempt to get you fired. They will on occasion march, shout, and destroy property to keep you from sharing a different viewpoint. Their own viewpoint may be shared by very few, yet everyone else has to do it their way.

For example, some students get upset if people say “Latino” or “Latina” instead of “Latin-X”. Yet Latin-X is preferred by less than 5% of Hispanics. Or they get upset if I say “American Indian” instead of “Native American.” Then I explain that the “Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian” is called that because a big majority of American Indians who were polled prefer to be called American Indians and wanted the museum called that. Me? I switch back and forth and try to educate the students.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 07:38 AM
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Thank you for interjecting some FACTS into this discussion. Now get ready to duck, since there are several posters, and we all know who they are, that will call you a racist, or that you are defending a murderous cop, or that you are "complicit" in what happened. Just ignore them.
No different than those that post the facts of Floyd's criminal record. No, that record does not justify what happened, but the media is busy trying to canonize him as a saint when he has a record of violent felonies. Now, there I've done it, I'll get called a racist as well

Joe C.
06-04-2020, 07:48 AM
It's amazing how things can get sidetracked from the original post about "peaceful protest".
So I need to bring up the fact that a peaceful protest doesn't mean "non violent".
A peaceful protest should not be "disruptive". It should not lead to chaos. When protesters close down a bridge or shut down a highway, it becomes disruptive.

BTW did you see the woman on the news saying that burning and looting isn't violent, because those things can be rebuilt and replaced.

Cranford61
06-04-2020, 07:48 AM
Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

Stop annoying me with the facts. It’s clouding my truths.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 07:53 AM
It's amazing how things can get sidetracked from the original post about "peaceful protest".
So I need to bring up the fact that a peaceful protest doesn't mean "non violent".
A peaceful protest should not be "disruptive". It should not lead to chaos. When protesters close down a bridge or shut down a highway, it becomes disruptive.

BTW did you see the woman on the news saying that burning and looting isn't violent, because those things can be rebuilt and replaced.

HUH???? Technically speaking, is that a non sequitur or an oxymoron?

hrdcorpsmarine
06-04-2020, 07:58 AM
I’m sorry, but I would have to disagree with your precept.

brunogal
06-04-2020, 08:05 AM
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

A friend from high school and her husband participated in one in Austin a few days ago....peaceful. I participated in the protest at LSL after the Parkland shootings right here in The V, alongside some of our fantastic Villages High School students.

TOMMY D
06-04-2020, 08:15 AM
Those guilty have been arrested . I understand those protesting are doing to address police policy's which at times are not those of the department. There are those using what has happen as an excuse to vandal and steal. Look at who these people are. Not law abiding citizens in any way. Some are kids. Yes kids. I've yet to see protest marches to address police who are killed every year. Why not. We all need to realize these men and women are the ones who protect us from what your seeing now on TV. Are you prepared to defend yourself when they approach you or your family. I find it even harder to understand how someone is paying these protesters or even those rioting and destroying property. These people have pallets and brick and stones left on streets for use.

Number 10 GI
06-04-2020, 08:23 AM
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(

Have you gone on the west side of the tracks to find out for yourself?

clwahlstrom
06-04-2020, 08:32 AM
You are soooo right on!!!

Debi-G
06-04-2020, 08:34 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

mtlee024
06-04-2020, 08:44 AM
In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

If it run by the origianal BLM organization, then, based on experience, it will not entirely peaceful. Just guessing. I hope it is peaceful, but be careful if you go.

Byte1
06-04-2020, 08:45 AM
I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

Sorry, but I am biased. I generally believe COPS over scumbag criminals. Yes, I saw PART of the recording where the COP used improper restraining technique with a muscular, resisting suspect. It resulted in a death. I did not see premeditated murder there and I do not know what the suspect was being arrested for. That given, I would give the COP the benefit of doubt until the investigation is complete. Most police depts utilize a use of force report whenever force is used on a suspect. Internal Affairs investigates uses of force to make sure that no one is abusing their authority. 99% of COPs are not only good but GREAT. Stats show that there is a better chance of a black man being shot by a black cop than a white cop. Just saying and not trying to really make a comparison. I do not think this is a racial thing, even though some are making it one. The first autopsy showed that Floyd had medical issues that contributed to the death.
NOW, for the subject. The protests have achieved what they wanted, justice. Now, they should go home, not push it. Protesters are being associated with rioters and criminal elements that need to be arrested. The protesters need to go home, period. The law needs/HAS to come down hard on the law breakers. We have seen family livelihood destroyed and lives actually lost due to paid criminals that have infiltrated the demonstrators. This is happening in the cities where there is probably serious gun control, or there would be less destruction. You will not see these thugs out here because they know that many of us have gun collections and know how to protect what is ours.
I saw where a good black retired police Capt was murdered while doing his job as security for a store. You will NOT see any protests or demonstrations for that good man. Why? Maybe because it was not some authority that committed the act? Or, maybe the perp was black? Who knows? Just saying.
I won't be at any racially motivated demonstration. To be frank with you, most conservatives are color blind and do not see people as color or gender. Liberals always concentrate on color or gender identity. That is the way it has always been when it comes to politics. Like bad cops, real racists are a very small group that will eventually be weeded out. There is no reason for EVERYONE to have to endure punishment for what a few "bad apples" do criminally. When you clean up the black on black crime in the cities, then come back and work on the very minute little blemishes with the rest of society. We do not need protests and demonstrations, because we already agree with ridding the country of bad actors in any position. Destruction and assaults do not influence any argument in a positive way.
A very few law enforcement officers are bad.
A very few military members are bad.
Can you say the same about politicians?

BlackhawksFan
06-04-2020, 08:46 AM
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

Wow.

It has happened here in FL and it is systemic. You're pretty I'll informed you may want to educate yourself before ypu post.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 08:46 AM
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

Just do a search of his previous posts, and you will quickly find out that HE REALLY SAID THAT:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Marathon Man
06-04-2020, 08:50 AM
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

That is exactly what they said about us. With our long hair and our loud music, the country would be turned to shambles.

Each generation determines it own values and it own way of doing things. It is as it should be. Many of our ways are now outdated, just like our grandparents' ways.

ProfessorDave
06-04-2020, 08:52 AM
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

mflasch
06-04-2020, 08:56 AM
How come they are not "protesting" for the deaths of David Dorn, Patrick Underwood and Italia Marie Kelly? You know the innocent black individuals that were murdered by the "protestors?" Guess it doesn't fit their agenda and goes to prove "Some Black Lives Matter." Pathetic.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 08:57 AM
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Your post is a bit incoherent, but please, please, PLEASE don't tell us you are equating the actions a policeman and the ensuing unrest with Hitler and the Nazis

mflasch
06-04-2020, 08:59 AM
All four police officers have been charged. What's your excuse now?

Byte1
06-04-2020, 09:00 AM
Did you really just say that??? I feel very offended, being an "old white folk" myself and wonder what your intention is? The younger generation that I have observed seem to not be able to think on their own, and tend to follow the herd of whichever person is more vocal about whatever is going on at any given time. I fear for the leadership of this country in the coming decades, because of that. Their only saving grace it seems, is that everyone will be mixed by then so how will there be a race war?

I have to agree with you. There is one particular network on TV that caters to young people where EVERY couple is either black and white, Asian and white or gay. Kind of hard for the younger generation to be bigoted when the norm is dictated by a liberal Hollywood media.
Our parents were of the Greatest Generation and succeeding generations have become weaker and weaker. Say what you will about the Greatest Generation being wrong in their racial bearing, they were still the GREATEST generation.
And before anyone suggests that my statement is bigoted, I come from a multi-ethnicity family. I have hopes for the next generation, but am also glad that I do not believe I will be around to see them go through their trials and obstacles to keep this country great. Thank goodness. I am sure that if my parents could see us now, they would also be shaking their heads.

Byte1
06-04-2020, 09:01 AM
Agree

phylt
06-04-2020, 09:03 AM
There have been enough protests around the country to prove that they don't end up peaceful. Who needs that here?? This is what I want to know: Where are the protests condemning those who kill police? Not to minimize what happened to George Floyd, because it was despicable, statistics show THAT number to be way in excess of police killing unarmed citizens. Why are liberals allowing their "peaceful" protests to be hijinxed by looters, arsonists and other criminals and then not speaking out against it all? Ask THOSE people "Who is George Floyd"? They won't be able to tell you. They just want an excuse for mayhem. And yet liberal communities who arrest those criminals are letting them back onto the streets due to incomprehensible, ridiculously weak policies. I pity the people in those communities who DO want law and order.

We don't need any more protests. We need to stop glorifying militant groups, thinking that they are the answer. Rather, education, training and weeding out the bad apples would be a good start.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 09:05 AM
All four police officers have been charged. What's your excuse now?

I live in NYC during the blackout of 1977. When the looting started, the media made the excuse that people were "bored". Of course, the first report of looting was 17 seconds after the lights went out (short attention span). They weren't "protesting" anything, just looting and burning some stuff. At least they didn't have BLM to bus in additional looters. And it wasn't the residents of Scarsdale doing the looting. Just the facts, no implication being made.

Perhaps with all the shut downs due to COVID-19, these looters are "bored" as well

dlb8159@yahoo.com
06-04-2020, 09:06 AM
So your saying all old white folks are racist and bigots? That is pretty racist right there.

Number 10 GI
06-04-2020, 09:07 AM
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Que the Twilight Zone theme music. Keep a watch on the skies, there are black helicopters circling.

JimJohnson
06-04-2020, 09:08 AM
The policemen involved have been charged so why stir things up more with a protest. Show gratification that they are finally punishing those who did the crime.

So do you think they will be convicted?

Ecd1810
06-04-2020, 09:10 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

A police officer is 17 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a black man is by a police officer.
Yet the policemen and women are out there every day doing their jobs. I for one salute them.

JimJohnson
06-04-2020, 09:10 AM
Your post is a bit incoherent, but please, please, PLEASE don't tell us you are equating the actions a policeman and the ensuing unrest with Hitler and the Nazis

If you studied German history, you would see and understand the similarity

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 09:12 AM
If you studied German history, you would see and understand the similarity

My grandmother was there, so go ahead and educate me

Stu from NYC
06-04-2020, 09:13 AM
Thanks for sharing. If other TV homeowners are going - maybe pick a place and time to meet. (Or - maybe it will be obvious based on our age.) When a General Mattis can have the GUTS to come out and share the obvious to some of us, don't we owe the little support we can individually provide? Me personally - I'm totally shocked at the inability of so many in this community to recognize that they are experiencing what most all historic records share about the culture, strategy and success of the German leadership in the 30's.

Seriously? Sorry do not agree for a minute.

ribil
06-04-2020, 09:16 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


... the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

So your “hope for this country” is the dying off all the “old white folks”? Please write that down so you can refer to it from time to time to see how that’s going.

Travelingal702
06-04-2020, 09:19 AM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.
NEVER!!! There's enough protesting going on all over the world. Don't start something here! The powers that be have gotten the message loud and clear. They don't need us!!!

Byte1
06-04-2020, 09:23 AM
Just keep your protest down in Leesburg. Businesses down there are putting pallets of seed, grain, cement, etc in their shop windows to protect from looters. They are locking up valuables and guns in back room safes, worrying that rioters will break in and loot. It's a real good endorsement for whatever the theme of the supposed demonstration is all about. I am sure it will be peaceful because anyone that is not from out of town knows that the majority of Florida residents are gun owners and will NOT tolerate destruction and violence from "peaceful" demonstrations.
This demonstration is all political anyway.

ColdNoMore
06-04-2020, 09:30 AM
It takes true leadership...for this to happen. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)

Drew Brees has issued an apology after receiving major blowback for his comments regarding the #TakeAKnee movement in the NFL, just over a week after the killing of George Floyd in police custody.

The New Orleans Saints quarterback came under fire by many for saying in an interview with Yahoo Sports, published Wednesday, that he "will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States" when asked about the movement that Colin Kaepernick started in 2016.

Brees, 41, shared a lengthy Instagram post on Thursday to apologize for his comments, alongside a photo of a white person and a black person clasping hands.

"I would like to apologize to my friends, teammates, the City of New Orleans, the black community, NFL community, and anyone I hurt with my comments yesterday," the athlete wrote. "In speaking with some of you, it breaks my heart to know the pain I have caused."

"In an attempt to talk about respect, unity, and solidarity centered around the American flag and the national anthem, I made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues we are facing right now as a country," he continued. "They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead, those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This could not be further from the truth, and is not an accurate reflection of my heart or my character."

JimJohnson
06-04-2020, 09:37 AM
My grandmother was there, so go ahead and educate me

Your grandmother had to witness horrible events committed by the government in the name of law and order.

golfing eagles
06-04-2020, 09:42 AM
Your grandmother had to witness horrible events committed by the government in the name of law and order.

Fortunately, she was out in farm country and got out of Germany in 1934. I'm just not following the concept that this event, or even a series of isolated potentially racist actions by law enforcement is equal to a government policy

CaliDan
06-04-2020, 09:47 AM
Just wondering… I didn’t hear that the “re-open Michigan“ protesters started looting their city. Did they?

ffresh
06-04-2020, 09:52 AM
Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

Not even close - actually, it's far less dangerous than the military, which is a widespread misconception. It depends upon which source you consult but police is usually 14th - 16th most dangerous job. In contrast, aviation/pilot is 3rd. So police is not nearly as dangerous a job as it once, probably, was. Notice at most police traffic stops, there are often two or three police cars before the "stopping" officer even exits his cruiser.

16. Police and sheriff’s patrol officers
25 Most Dangerous Jobs in America – Page 3 – 24/7 Wall St. (https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/01/21/25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-3/3/)

Fred

JimJohnson
06-04-2020, 09:53 AM
Just wondering… I didn’t hear that the “re-open Michigan“ protesters started looting their city. Did they?

Not all of them, but they sure terrified innocent citizens.

ColdNoMore
06-04-2020, 10:02 AM
Not all of them, but they sure terrified innocent citizens.

Would be very interesting as to reactions, if it had been young black men, covered in camo with assault rifles and ammo belts strapped on....that did this.

I can guarantee there would have been a whole different response...from many of the usual suspects. :ohdear:

It's been (IMHO...rightfully) said that if you want to get a start on meaningful gun control legislation, watch what happens when large groups of young black men start assembling, while open carrying and acting...exactly like these Rambo wannabe's act. :boom:

PersonalChoice
06-04-2020, 10:15 AM
Rest in peace Patrick Underwood (federal officer murdered in Oakland, CA) and David Dorn (retired officer murdered in St. Louis).

PugMom
06-04-2020, 10:18 AM
Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

so that makes it ok? are you saying he deserved a death sentence?...i love our police & stand by them, but watching that video shows there's something wrong with the way they perform restraint. and i can't get out of my mind that george was already cuffed & subdued! please tell me why they had to apply force to his throat? was it because he refused to get in the vehicle, and if so, don't you think all these strong cops couldn't lift him up & place him in? i read in a ny publication he was possibly high on fentanyl, which would make it easier to get him in cuz he was 'sedated'. so many missing pieces to this story & we are waiting to learn if the cop with the knee recognized george from a previous job, which was a security detail, which bears the question: with all the past crimes, how did george get a security job?

dplars
06-04-2020, 11:13 AM
Are you positive this was racial and not criminal, also, justice will be done with or without protest. The system works.

Joanne19335
06-04-2020, 11:20 AM
In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

Hmmm.... I wonder why?? Glad you’re going to attend.

Eg_cruz
06-04-2020, 12:02 PM
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.
Before you going protested really understand what you are standing up for. I encourage everyone to do some background checks look at the real numbers and really understand what it is that you are standing for. Watch the video from Candace Owens May help you understand things and learn the real numbers

donassaid
06-04-2020, 12:03 PM
So when and where is the White Lives Matter march in protest of the deaths of white people killed by the police? More white people were shot and killed by police in 2018 than black people. These riots are not about Geirge Floyd but about anarchy and terrorism.

Red Rose
06-04-2020, 12:09 PM
Where are the protest marches for the policeman shot in the head and on life support? Where are the protest marches for the other 3 people who were killed recently in the "peaceful" protest msrches? How about for the countless business owners who got beaten down trying to protect their businesses? Black and white people alike were harshly treated during these so-called "peaceful" marches. Where is the justice for all of them? Or is a lot of this just a frivolous chance to burn down businesses, churches, police departments, etc. and to loot for "free" stuff? Those people want total chaos and anarchy in the streets. The peaceful protesters are looking for real, concrete changes and I'm all for that. Where do the rest of us fit in. The peaceful stay-at-homes who are working, peace loving people who are paying for everything? Who is marching for us and protecting our way of life? It can't be all one-sided. We all are Americans who should watch each other's backs. To live in true peace, eberyone has to give and take. There has to be change on both sides. No more senseless killings by cops and no more senseless killings of cops or anyone else. Have meetings with your mayors and governors and write down exactly what all sides need and want and make changes, on paper, in black and white for concrete changes. Riots are never the answer. Peaceful protests are OK, but sitting down and talking will bring about change for the better.

Bonnevie
06-04-2020, 12:18 PM
Not even close - actually, it's far less dangerous than the military, which is a widespread misconception. It depends upon which source you consult but police is usually 14th - 16th most dangerous job. In contrast, aviation/pilot is 3rd. So police is not nearly as dangerous a job as it once, probably, was. Notice at most police traffic stops, there are often two or three police cars before the "stopping" officer even exits his cruiser.

16. Police and sheriff’s patrol officers
25 Most Dangerous Jobs in America – Page 3 – 24/7 Wall St. (https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/01/21/25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-3/3/)

Fred

but as far as stress level then it's fourth: The 10 most stressful jobs

Enlisted military personnel of three or four years
Firefighter:
Airline pilot:
Police officer:

so though statistics may show that they are less "dangerous" they are probably more stressful because of the potential that exists.

as the daughter of a policeman, I can only tell you what I saw. My father saw people at their worst. He was unbelievable strict with his children because of what he saw being done by others kids. It was not a fun childhood. at the time he worked as a police officer they walked beats and they rotated shifts every 6 weeks which they now know is unhealthy for one's body clock. now people have assigned shifts. And he was this way back in a time when policemen were respected and people did what they said. now they are taunted and called all sorts of names when they are trying to help. my father only pulled his gun once in his career--someone actually was stealing his car from in front of the police station. My brother, also a cop, was in knife fights, etc. more than once. and this was in upstate NY, not some teaming metropolis.

I think there should be regular mandatory counseling because I think seeing the worst day after day does something to you. you forget the millions of decent people who live quiet, lawful lives.

ColdNoMore
06-04-2020, 12:36 PM
Hmmm.... I wonder why?? Glad you’re going to attend.

:agree:

Byte1
06-04-2020, 12:41 PM
Wake up! People are upset about systemic racism. The murder was merely the match that started the conflagration.

The problem is because of those that keep saying "systemic racism" and refuse to allow it to heal. Liberals mostly, that NEED color, gender, etc. identity politics to control the masses. Racism was healing, but then about ten plus years ago, the new political control decided that the only way they could maintain control with the least amount of work, for the people was to rip the scab off the healing wound. Ever notice that it is the white progressives that are ALWAYS the ones that stir that racism pot?

Bad COPs perpetrated a wrong and will be punished. Now, let this country heal after suffering a great economic loss due to the virus. There is NO excuse for destruction of property and assaults on people that are already down in this country. I'm sorry if I do not have the patience to coddle those that have been slighted, either imagined or real. No one has even proved yet that this incident, tragedy perpetrated by a few COPS is racially motivated. If it turns out that the COP involved has a personal gripe with Floyd, that has nothing to do with his race, no one is even going to go back and fix things. It will just be chalked off in history as a racially based killing. I am not saying that it isn't, but I am saying that these incidents always prove to be spontaneous combustion, before all the facts get released to the public.
The demonstrations have forced action on the part of the leaders. Four men are charged. Now, close up shop and quit destroying what little folks have left after this terrible virus has robbed from us.

manaboutown
06-04-2020, 01:11 PM
Even illegal aliens are rioting and looting. Some were arrested in Phoenix. DACA Illegal Aliens Among 200 People Arrested in Phoenix, Arizona Riots (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/03/daca-illegal-aliens-among-200-people-arrested-in-phoenix-arizona-riots/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1nXPfYCWydPwCy9BnVh8f2XJQR-wD1YMFAXPiAI3xIxGLBrJ6o7IwX9x0&fbclid=IwAR3jkJRH_1fYT9Rhqdzs8lIgCt1SMm0XjPE9U_drA T0Sv3i7ipSiLbhQrl0)

Debi-G
06-04-2020, 01:24 PM
HUH???? Technically speaking, is that a non sequitur or an oxymoron?

Whomever says that's it's ok to riot, destroy, and loot anyone else's property has to be some sort of stupid. Peaceful protest is a right by law, anything past that is grounds for jail time, or dirt nap depending on whomever you decide to destroy and loot... In this day and age I am appalled at the behavior of what is supposed to be civilization. And btw... I am of American Indian Heritage... in case you want to talk about injustice....

Indydealmaker
06-04-2020, 02:50 PM
Nothing wrong with a protest as long as it stays peaceful

Nothing wrong with protests as long as they are based upon real world scenarios instead of false info. Last year approximately 250 blacks were killed by law enforcement, but over 1000 whites were killed by cops. Where is the out of control rage coming from? More than 50% of the crimes were committed by blacks, so if cops were racists, why aren't more blacks than whites killed? None of this makes sense.

You are going to find out that this particular cop on black killing was not about race, but instead was totally based upon personal and intimate conflict.

ts12755
06-04-2020, 03:11 PM
I thought this was police brutality how is this turning into a racist black thing? There were more unarmed whites killed by police last year than blacks twice as many. Stop trying to tear this country apart with your racism.

GoodLife
06-04-2020, 03:26 PM
If we measure police brutality in terms of where police kill the largest number of unarmed individuals, without the officers being held accountable, the top five cities are:

New York (New York)
Phoenix (Arizona)
Los Angeles (California)
Jacksonville (Florida)
Chicago (Illinois)

5 Worst U.S. Cities for Police Brutality | Excessive Force Natl Epidemic (https://www.jaildeathandinjurylaw.com/blog/13/five-worst-us-cities-for-police-brutality/)

Cities with highest amounts paid for civil rights lawsuits against the police.

84428

Our former President wrote this very recently:

The elected officials who matter most in reforming police departments and the criminal justice system work at the state and local levels.

So I'm pretty sure all the posts on police brutality aren't doing any good, unless the readers here are voters in the cities listed above. That's where the big problems are and where local governments need to be held accountable for them. The Federal government has very little sway over local Police departments.

Holpat39
06-04-2020, 03:39 PM
Don't know where you are getting you info regarding Mr. Floyd's arrest record. Haven't heard or seen that any where. It was murder, plain and simple. Not justifiable homicide. Police have other mean to control a suspect. I am the wife of a former Chicago police officer and still have family on the police force there and I know for a fact they do not use the knee on neck tactic.

GoodLife
06-04-2020, 03:45 PM
Don't know where you are getting you info regarding Mr. Floyd's arrest record. Haven't heard or seen that any where. It was murder, plain and simple. Not justifiable homicide. Police have other mean to control a suspect. I am the wife of a former Chicago police officer and still have family on the police force there and I know for a fact they do not use the knee on neck tactic.

Chicago has paid out more than the other top 7 cities combined in civil rights lawsuits against their Police force.

84430

Arl
06-04-2020, 03:54 PM
All lives matter and at our age protesting should be out of the question. Look at how many people are being killed over this. Got nothing better to do take up a hobby.

Arl
06-04-2020, 05:19 PM
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

I agree with you. Also why the protesting now the cops are in jail these people are looting and destroying property. Leave it along already

transplanted
06-04-2020, 06:35 PM
The issue for most Americans is that the 4 police officers involved in the death, should be charged. No one is blaming all police. Also, it DID HAPPEN HERE. This is the United States of America.

I have to disagree with you. At this time, they have all been charged, so you should be pleased with that development and no further discussion is needed.

"Here" is an adverb meaning "in, at, or to this place or position" this place, to me, would translate to a radius of within about 25-35 miles from where this forum is dispatched, not the entire country. This is what the poster meant, and I believe you KNOW that's what was meant - but made a conscious choice to be argumentative. If people can't even be nice/respectful to one another on this forum, how can you possibly expect it to happen throughout (your version of) "here."

Further, some, even many, ARE blaming ALL police. For example, I saw a photo in the paper of a young woman holding a sign that said "NO GOOD POLICE." And there have been plenty of pictures of police being dragged and beat on, and the firebombing of a police station. Be honest, it's been open season on police for more than a couple of years now. And the media ABSOLUTELY does not treat them fairly. They jump on reporting all the ALLEGED behavior, and when if it turns out to be false, they turn into crickets and the public NEVER hears about it. I am VERY well acquainted with such, and I'll leave it at that.

I absolutely support the need to get rid of over aggressive police - and this is a perfect example of an over aggressive policeman and his underperforming sidekicks. Quite honestly, I'm so fed up with the attacks on police (over the past several years) I wish they would turn in their badges and just say 'take this job and shove it.' It isn't worth the miserable pay/hours/danger/false accusations/etc., that all face because of a minority of bad cops.

I wish for discussions that really examine and address the issue - but it must go in both directions and with open and honest feelings expressed from both sides. I'm not about touchy feely stuff, but feelings about one another is what causes it. The feelings may be based on studies, personal observations/experiences, or upbringing; it all has to be addressed. Merely being forced to cower to political correctness is NEVER going to successfully move the issues toward resolution. In my humble opinion, having PC forced down people's collective throats has led to an even worse situation and resulted in people who have lost any sense of tolerance and acceptance of those 'disagreed' with, into people who hate; hate spills over into action. Even if perfect discussions occur, we as a people, are still going to have some bad apples who will never come around... both racists (racism doesn't just go in one direction) and over-aggressive police officers. For them, I'm afraid all we can do is watch for the signs and take appropriate action sooner rather than later.

I do understand the massive protests right now -- on top of another killing, people are wound up over being locked down, having lost jobs, etc., due to COVID-19 and they are letting it all out with this killing. And that would be fine - if it were only peaceful protesting. But it isn't, sadly. It's not just protesting, it's uncalled for rioting and looting. Even Mr. Floyd's family has said 'knock it off!'

I wish Mr. Floyd's family peace in their sorrow, I wish for him to RIP, and I wish for all who choose to join the protests to remain peaceful and respectful while 'voicing' their opinions and allowing those wanting to protest to release their frustration without destruction.

If I have offended anyone reading this, please know that was not my intention. It may be my lack of being able to express my thoughts/ideas perfectly; I've found that as I get older, I seem to not be able to pull out words that I once knew. Take care and be well! And if you choose to protest - be safe.

anothersteve
06-04-2020, 06:41 PM
If I have offended anyone reading this, please know that was not my intention. It may be my lack of being able to express my thoughts/ideas perfectly; I've found that as I get older, I seem to not be able to pull out words that I once knew. Take care and be well! And if you choose to protest - be safe.

You did fine, thank you.
Steve

ColdNoMore
06-04-2020, 06:44 PM
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Incoblack1
06-04-2020, 08:11 PM
Somebody always has to politicize a situation and post blame. People have the right to assemble in America!

Alto2548
06-04-2020, 09:44 PM
It’s apparent you still don’t see the systemic racism in our society. That’s what the continuing protests are about. The murder was just the trigger. You can push people only so far.

Read this & educate yourself on the false claim of "systemic racism"...
Wall Street Journal op-ed: Hold officers who use excessive force accountable, but there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wall-street-journal-op-ed-hold-officers-accountable-who-use-excessive-force-but-theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-racial-bias)

Alto2548
06-04-2020, 09:54 PM
This is going to TRIGGER the SNOWFLAKES on here but I'm gonna say it any way...

[B]ALL LIVES MATTER[/B. Wake up people--especially the supposedly "woke" crowd.

CS1987
06-05-2020, 07:22 PM
The fact that the blm protesters use a rap song with the phrase "f#ck cop's" as their rally song doesn't endear them to me.

mtdjed
06-05-2020, 08:12 PM
Candace Owens . Please save us.
Right-wing commentator Candace Owens says ‘she does not support criminal George Floyd’ and that ‘we are being sold lies’ – The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11787969/candace-owens-video-criminal-george-floyd/)

John_W
06-05-2020, 08:24 PM
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Bogie Shooter
06-05-2020, 08:47 PM
Just think if no crime was reported we wouldn't be having this conversation.

No, if everybody did not have a video camera in their pocket, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Do you think?

manaboutown
06-05-2020, 11:19 PM
The fact that the blm protesters use a rap song with the phrase "f#ck cop's" as their rally song doesn't endear them to me.

They are at the minimum thugs and probably terrorists.

manaboutown
06-05-2020, 11:21 PM
This is going to TRIGGER the SNOWFLAKES on here but I'm gonna say it any way...

[B]ALL LIVES MATTER[/B. Wake up people--especially the supposedly "woke" crowd.

Black Olives Matter! https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-this-restaurant-selling-black-olives-matter-t-shirts

When I went there they were sold out of T-shirts but I got a baseball cap.

ColdNoMore
06-06-2020, 05:35 AM
No, if everybody did not have a video camera in their pocket, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Do you think?

Nailed it. :thumbup:

In the past, it's always been the police's word against the victim's and of course without a video...the police are going to be believed 99.9% of the time.

Sadly though, as in the Buffalo incident where everyone saw a 75 year old shoved down and was bleeding from his head and ears with no one helping him., there's still those who believe the cops & their union's who say... "the old guy just slipped." :ohdear:

Viperguy
06-06-2020, 09:38 AM
How about a peaceful protest for all the cops that have been beaten up or killed?

ColdNoMore
06-06-2020, 09:46 AM
How about a peaceful protest for all the cops that have been beaten up or killed?

No one is stopping you...from starting/organizing one.

Just advertise the time and place and I'll (along with many others I'm sure)...will join you. :thumbup:

Topspinmo
06-06-2020, 10:51 AM
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Nobody gets out do this world alive. All younger generations have different views than mom, dad, and gramps. Nothing new here except?????

ffresh
06-06-2020, 12:24 PM
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(

How is your utterance any different? Or, is it because you inserted a smiley?

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 01:35 PM
I will say that while 1 life is too tragic, look at these FACTS. and they are according to the Washington Post own research. “Systemic Racism” is so overused. This cop was and AHole before he became a cop and I bet the good cops that worked with him probably thought he was an AHole while he was a cop. It’s not a cop thing it’s a personal thing.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Thanks for your excellent post citing FACTS, not emotional rants like so many others.

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 01:46 PM
Sorry, I would have a hard time working with an organization that displays a closed fist on its posters. That's not exactly a peace symbol.

To be precise, the clenched fist is a revolutionary and communist gesture.

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 01:50 PM
Thank you for interjecting some FACTS into this discussion. Now get ready to duck, since there are several posters, and we all know who they are, that will call you a racist, or that you are defending a murderous cop, or that you are "complicit" in what happened. Just ignore them.
No different than those that post the facts of Floyd's criminal record. No, that record does not justify what happened, but the media is busy trying to canonize him as a saint when he has a record of violent felonies. Now, there I've done it, I'll get called a racist as well

Certainly not by me :)

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 01:56 PM
Just do a search of his previous posts, and you will quickly find out that HE REALLY SAID THAT:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Please permit me to add my $.02 :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 01:59 PM
I have to agree with you. There is one particular network on TV that caters to young people where EVERY couple is either black and white, Asian and white or gay. Kind of hard for the younger generation to be bigoted when the norm is dictated by a liberal Hollywood media.
Our parents were of the Greatest Generation and succeeding generations have become weaker and weaker. Say what you will about the Greatest Generation being wrong in their racial bearing, they were still the GREATEST generation.
And before anyone suggests that my statement is bigoted, I come from a multi-ethnicity family. I have hopes for the next generation, but am also glad that I do not believe I will be around to see them go through their trials and obstacles to keep this country great. Thank goodness. I am sure that if my parents could see us now, they would also be shaking their heads.

Shaking their heads … they're probably spinning in their graves :ohdear:

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 02:06 PM
So do you think they will be convicted?

To be frank, if they were going up before an Internal Affairs board, I would be skeptical. But, presuming that a jury will be given all the known facts, and weigh them carefully, I believe that a just verdict will be rendered - in spite of whether people who have NOT heard all the known facts agree with it or not.

Fred

ffresh
06-06-2020, 02:30 PM
but as far as stress level then it's fourth: The 10 most stressful jobs

Enlisted military personnel of three or four years
Firefighter:
Airline pilot:
Police officer:

so though statistics may show that they are less "dangerous" they are probably more stressful because of the potential that exists.

as the daughter of a policeman, I can only tell you what I saw. My father saw people at their worst. He was unbelievable strict with his children because of what he saw being done by others kids. It was not a fun childhood. at the time he worked as a police officer they walked beats and they rotated shifts every 6 weeks which they now know is unhealthy for one's body clock. now people have assigned shifts. And he was this way back in a time when policemen were respected and people did what they said. now they are taunted and called all sorts of names when they are trying to help. my father only pulled his gun once in his career--someone actually was stealing his car from in front of the police station. My brother, also a cop, was in knife fights, etc. more than once. and this was in upstate NY, not some teaming metropolis.

I think there should be regular mandatory counseling because I think seeing the worst day after day does something to you. you forget the millions of decent people who live quiet, lawful lives.

I agree with you and empathize with your experiences growing up. But, to be accurate, my response was in regards to the popular misconception of police officer being a "dangerous job". I don't think it's a leap of faith to surmise that there are many stresses to being an LEO but that holds true for many other professions, as well, some of which you enumerated. I certainly was not attempting to belittle the role that all of the GOOD police officers play in our society, merely pointing out a fact about the dangers of the job. Logging is counted as the most dangerous, airline pilot, as you noted (my former profession before retirement) as 3rd, while LEO ranks as 14th. But, again, we're talking about lethality, not stress.

Fred

shopnstop
06-06-2020, 02:56 PM
Yeh look for me!

Bay Kid
06-07-2020, 07:23 AM
Peaceful Disruption. Destruction. Killing. Robbery.