Drew Brees Apologizes

[ColdNoMore]

It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)

Drew Brees has issued an apology after receiving major blowback for his comments regarding the #TakeAKnee movement in the NFL, just over a week after the killing of George Floyd in police custody.

The New Orleans Saints quarterback came under fire by many for saying in an interview with Yahoo Sports, published Wednesday, that he "will never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States" when asked about the movement that Colin Kaepernick started in 2016.

Brees, 41, shared a lengthy Instagram post on Thursday to apologize for his comments, alongside a photo of a white person and a black person clasping hands.

"I would like to apologize to my friends, teammates, the City of New Orleans, the black community, NFL community, and anyone I hurt with my comments yesterday," the athlete wrote. "In speaking with some of you, it breaks my heart to know the pain I have caused."

"In an attempt to talk about respect, unity, and solidarity centered around the American flag and the national anthem, I made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues we are facing right now as a country," he continued. "They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead, those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This could not be further from the truth, and is not an accurate reflection of my heart or my character."

[daddymac1127]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

[ColdNoMore]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

Just like Brees did initially, you've totally missed the whole point. :oops:

I'm also curious, as to your suggestion(s) on what other "means" should be used to show that..."Black Lives matter?"

:popcorn:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

The flag is a symbol used by many groups to push there causes for good and bad example for bad , 100 flags outside a used car dealer and for good what Colin did. His act while unpopular by some created more awareness, volunteers and money for social justice programs are in America but apparently not enough . He was never disrespecting the flag . I fought for freedom for all people to be able peacefully protest against whatever Injustice they feel.

[Stu from NYC]

Our flag is sacred and should never be disrespected in any manner at all.

Other ways to protest.

[GoodLife]

Nobody cares what celebrities, athletes, musicians have to say. Their ability to throw a spiral or make faces for the camera have nothing to do with making sound moral decisions.

Drew's agent probably told him his sponsors were getting blowback so make an apology. Big whoop.

[manaboutown]

He was faced with losing all the millions he was making from playing football and sponsorships. His original statement came from the heart. His apology was from his pocketbook. No doubt there were threats on his life and his family from the assortment of America hating thugs who are out to destroy civilization as well.

[JimJohnson]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

[Stu from NYC]

He was faced with losing all the millions he was making from playing football and sponsorships. His original statement came from the heart. His apology was from his pocketbook. No doubt there were threats on his life and his family from the assortment of America hating thugs who are out to destroy civilization as well.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[billethkid]

If they were truly genuine in their beliefs and comments they would not have to walk back or apologize after getting electronic social feed back.

In my opinion, a major problem in too much of the communicating of today.

[wisbad1]

It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)
Should never apologise,

[ColdNoMore]

If they were truly genuine in their beliefs and comments they would not have to walk back or apologize after getting electronic social feed back.

In my opinion, a major problem in too much of the communicating of today.

So no one is allowed to change their minds, or to acknowledge and admit...that they might have had it wrong initially?

That people should always stay with their original/knee-jerk comments and should never show "weakness"...by admitting they might have been wrong?

Even though it takes real leadership and a spine...to admit to being wrong?

And that there is too much press/media...reporting on what is REALLY occurring?


WOW...just wow. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

What is said here, is that the military pledges their allegiance to the Constitution Of The United States and US citizens...NOT to any single person or party.

Good for those who had the courage, patriotism and spine...to put out and sign this. :thumbup:

[Taltarzac725]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

I too respect this man's courage even if he has done some bone-headed things along with them.

[ColdNoMore]

Should never apologise,

Since this attitude is a major root of so many of our current problems...this bears repeating. :ohdear:

So no one is allowed to change their minds, or to acknowledge and admit...that they might have had it wrong initially?

That people should always stay with their original/knee-jerk comments and should never show "weakness"...by admitting they might have been wrong?

Even though it takes real leadership and a spine...to admit to being wrong?

WOW...just wow. :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.

No matter which "side" you're on (because of course some people will insist there are sides, which is what creates division in the first place)..if you don't believe there should be liberty and justice for all, then you need to either a) move somewhere that is known for not having liberty and justice for all - like North Korea, for example, or b) continue standing for the flag and rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree that it no longer is what it's supposed to be.

[ColdNoMore]

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.

No matter which "side" you're on (because of course some people will insist there are sides, which is what creates division in the first place)..if you don't believe there should be liberty and justice for all, then you need to either a) move somewhere that is known for not having liberty and justice for all - like North Korea, for example, or b) continue standing for the flag and rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree that it no longer is what it's supposed to be.

Well stated...and dead on. :thumbup:

[daddymac1127]

A 22 year Veteran. Thank you for your service. I doubt that you have used the National Anthem to protest or bring awareness to a cause.

[daddymac1127]

I never said that did not agree with justice and liberty for all.

I agree with Black Lives Matter. Everyone's life matters and all needed to be treated equal.

I said other means can be used to protest or bring light to a very important cause.

VOTING is a very powerful tool in this Country. Spending and campaigning for a cause to
educate voters. This happens every 4 years when we elect a President. Look how much money is spent during that period.

[JimJohnson]

A 22 year Veteran. Thank you for your service. I doubt that you have used the National Anthem to protest or bring awareness to a cause.

I hav NOT, but if it would help set things right, I would.

[BS Beef]

What is he apologizing for?

What professional athlete has done more for a city (any city, any sport) through their acts or financially?
I'll wait.....

[daddymac1127]

I agree Drew shouldn't apologize. He didn't like to see the Flag and our country dishonored. No country is perfect; no human being is perfect.

[New Englander]

Black lives matter. Except when it's blacks killing blacks.

[John_W]

Just like Brees did initially, you've totally missed the whole point.



Drew Brees is one of the few bright spots in the NFL. You can't miss the point when you speak your own heart. He had it right the first time and got 63,000,000 new fans. Now, it's a backtrack because he plays in a league that is 80% black.

https://i2.wp.com/www.sportsgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/EOQPx18UYAA3KqJ.jpg?resize=680%2C637&ssl=1

[Stu from NYC]

Drew Brees is one of the few bright spots in the NFL. You can't miss the point when you speak your own heart. He had it right the first time and got 63,000,000 new fans. Now, it's a backtrack because he plays in a league that is 80% black.

https://i2.wp.com/www.sportsgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/EOQPx18UYAA3KqJ.jpg?resize=680%2C637&ssl=1

Agreed.

[Stu from NYC]

Black lives matter. Except when it's blacks killing blacks.

Sad that nobody wants to talk about that.

[GoodLife]

Sad that nobody wants to talk about that.

Black on Black murders blow up their entire agenda.

[JoMar]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

What he did was take those 22 years you served and threw it in your face....as a defender of that flag you should never give a pass to anyone that discredits the flag, what it stands for and all those that served to defend it. I agree he had an incredibly important issue, and it still it is, but using the deaths of those that served is, IMO, not the way.

[Stu from NYC]

What he did was take those 22 years you served and threw it in your face....as a defender of that flag you should never give a pass to anyone that discredits the flag, what it stands for and all those that served to defend it. I agree he had an incredibly important issue, and it still it is, but using the deaths of those that served is, IMO, not the way.

Well said

[JoMar]

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.

No matter which "side" you're on (because of course some people will insist there are sides, which is what creates division in the first place)..if you don't believe there should be liberty and justice for all, then you need to either a) move somewhere that is known for not having liberty and justice for all - like North Korea, for example, or b) continue standing for the flag and rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree that it no longer is what it's supposed to be.

It is also "under God", but that doesn't fly with those that want it removed from the pledge. Freedom of religion is also a constitutional right. Kneeling does not facilitate "liberty and justice" for all, it seperates. Dialogue through finding common cause will advance the cause, kneeling will not. MO

[anothersteve]

That line was added to the pledge in 1954, 62 years AFTER... the Pledge of Allegiance was written.



OK, I'll bite......so?
Steve

[Northwoods]

What is he apologizing for?

What professional athlete has done more for a city (any city, any sport) through their acts or financially?
I'll wait.....

JJ Watt. He started with $100,000 of his own money and ended up raising a record $41.6 million for Hurricane Harvey recovery efforts. The crowd-sourced fundraising campaign has become the largest of its kind.

He doesn't live in Houston, he lives in a small town in WI. But he plays for the Houston Texans. He's a wonderful person. I have so much respect for him.

[Marvic 1]

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.


Their is Liberty and Justice for ALL, just that their is a percentage in ALL ethnic groups that don't care for one another and that can not be changed at this time...
Maybe 50 years from now when everyone is basically equally educated, have fathers in the home, dignity and respect then things might look up for the better...

.......... ALL LIVES MATTER ..........

[Bob in Fishers]

Nothing to apologize for

[Miguel 1952]

Our flag is sacred and should never be disrespected in any manner at all.

Other ways to protest.

Many ways to protest, kneeling for our National Anthem is a disgrace and I will never condone it. I will not apologize for feeling this way.

[DrBrutyle109]

Typical. You only have the right to say something if your on the same side as the people who are complaining. Even if you both sides have a point

[Heyitsrick]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

I'm a four-year honorably discharged Vietnam War era veteran. There's no issue whatsoever of highlighting an important cause. It's the manner in which he chose to do it.

What many people seem to forget is that we all do have constitutionally guaranteed rights. And those rights absolutely include disagreeing with - and voicing disagreement with - the actions of others. If a person chooses to act in a certain way, that person must accept that he/she will possibly be judged by those actions. That's part of the deal.

Kaepernick's the same guy who tweeted this out in January after the drone strike on Iran's General Soleimani:

There is nothing new about American terrorist attacks against Black and Brown people for the expansion of American imperialism. America has always sanctioned and besieged Black and Brown bodies both at home and abroad. America militarism is the weapon wielded by American imperialism, to enforce its policing and plundering of the non-white world.

Call me crazy, but if I had a career in military service, I'd take that as an unequivocal insult to both me and my country. But hey, that's just me.

And now he's essentially promoting violence over the George Floyd murder:

When civility leads to death, revolting is the only logical reaction. The cries for peace will rain down, and when they do, they will land on deaf ears, because your violence has brought this resistance. We have the right to fight back!

[camaguey48]

This person (who shall remain nameless) who plays football for a living should have stayed silent if he was going to take back his comments which I thought came from his heart. Now he is just a mealy mouthed coward. I suppose that his receivers would drop his passes on purpose and his blockers would somehow miss their block as payback, not to mention the millions he would lose in endorsements. Should have kept his mealy mouth shut. Now I know who you really are Mr. Quarterback. Go find your spine.

[coalminer]

Kaepernick was simply trying to get a message out in a peaceful way. Of course the racists ignored the message by wrapping themselves in the flag. Now we have hundreds of cities across America witnessing the effect of that. The country is in turmoil and only we can stop it. It's time we recognize that white privilege is real

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Yea sure lol

[Neils]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:
Kaepernick Is another example of a pampered overpaid millionaire that is somehow being oppressed while living in luxury in America. He is part of the top 1%.
MLK wanted all people to be equal. No be singled out by color for different treatment. We need to follow his thoughts and stop all the special advantages programs given to some groups

[Heyitsrick]

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.

No matter which "side" you're on (because of course some people will insist there are sides, which is what creates division in the first place)..if you don't believe there should be liberty and justice for all, then you need to either a) move somewhere that is known for not having liberty and justice for all - like North Korea, for example, or b) continue standing for the flag and rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree that it no longer is what it's supposed to be.

That's interesting. See, I never knew that the flag was a symbol for perfection. Using the description I'm reading above, no one and no entity should ever fly the American flag, nor stand for the anthem. Why? Because we're all flawed, and because it's not a perfect nation. It never will be a perfect nation. We can strive to be better in the areas we need to collectively be better in, but we won't absolutely get there. It's a nation of human beings.

I have no idea what "rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree..." means. I have to assume that means that you either have to "love it or leave it". Sorry - that's not how it works here. No one restrained Kaepernick from kneeling. He knew that kneeling during the anthem would upset a lot of people. He could have knelt at any time, but he chose a specific time and place. And no one restrained him from doing so.

There's this strange notion that some have that people can't be judged for their actions. I don't know where that comes from, but if anything, that's more like what one would find in a totalitarian state vs. a nation that has guaranteed rights. Kaepernick wanted to make his own statement and in a particular way. He was free to do that. And every American had and has the right to weigh in on the manner in which he chose. To reject that right of other Americans would really speak volumes. If we ever got to that place as a nation, it really would be over.

[Rich42]

The man had absolutely nothing to apologize for!

[bonrich]

This is your right to demonstrate as you choose. But what happens when you stand up? We are not under multiple flags of all ethenicities in our country, but one flag for all of us that unites us as USA. What programs do you try to start in the neighborhoods that need help and guidance, groups, clubs, organizations? For all the millions in paychecks that are made to play basketball and football, If you stand then embrace that flag that flies over all of us, and try to make lives a little better for those who look up to you as the person they want to be like. Donate your money to fund programs and most of all your time to embrace all that you touch.

[72lions]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

Thank you for your years of service. You are absolutely correct that his stance, pun intended, was a nonviolent protest that needed to be made. For those on the site who continuously suggest that there are other ways to protest, I submit that many of you are the very same people who suggested the current protests are disgraceful.

I can’t speak for this veteran, but I suspect he believes he served his country in part to ensure that freedom of expression, guaranteed in the constitution, will not be eliminated.

[cegallup]

I was real proud of Breeze when I heard and saw his comments; a real patriot who spoke up.

BUT, the apology was truly unfortunate. As someone mentioned, his "agent" got to him.

"Political Correctness" is a major component of taking this country Down.

Yielding to these radicals and terrorists, "taking a knee" - is acknowledging defeat and subservience.

Repeat, I'm saddened when a real American - one who is wildly popular and successful - is cowered by the MOB.

[ellenwelsh]

Celebrities of all ilks would do well to keep their opinions to themselves. They are where they are because of their abilities and talents, not what they think or believe.

[cherylncliff]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.


Thousands of good christians kneel in church each week. Is that desecrating the church or their beliefs. No! It is considered a sign of respect. When knights of old knealt in front of the king, was that disrespect? No! It was a way to show homage and fealty to that institution before which they knealt. These players are respecting the flag and the country while still communicating that they repect these things despite the prejudice and unjust treatment they receive due to the color of their skin.

[cherylncliff]

It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)

It takes a bigger man to do the right thing in the first place rather than simply trying to please the public. Sad that he did it in the first place.

[Tom2172]

No! It the death of free speech
It’s the mob demanding total compliance
Diversity of thought not tolerated!
Bulling by the mob until compliance with their group think
It’s the death of freedom

[erojohn]

Your opinion is your right. Your quote about it bullies. Should have been removed prior to posting. Brees had my respect but no more. He was bullied. He caved. End of story.

[cheweycat]

The minute you use the word “thugs”, you lost me. It seems to be a convenient “Fox news” type of categorizing anyone who does not agree with your point of view.

[cheweycat]

What’s the point of your comment?

[GoodLife]

The minute you use the word “thugs”, you lost me. It seems to be a convenient “Fox news” type of categorizing anyone who does not agree with your point of view.

Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says

President Obama doesn't regret using the term "thug" in describing the violent rioters in Baltimore this week, spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday.

"Whether it's arson or, you know, the looting of a liquor store ... those were thuggish acts," Earnest said.

In discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the "criminals and thugs who tore up the place," and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality.

Obama stands by the term 'thugs,' White House says (https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2015/04/29/obama-white-house-baltimore-stephanie-rawlings-blake/26585143/)

[bmit16]

Just like Brees did initially, you've totally missed the whole point. :oops:

I'm also curious, as to your suggestion(s) on what other "means" should be used to show that..."Black Lives matter?"

:popcorn:

One way to show BLM is for Blacks to stop killing blacks in major cities. The statistics do not show systemic problems in police departments and black lives be taken. In fact the numbers are down 90% over the past 40 years. To not stand for the flag is disgracing the people who fought for the very freedoms we enjoy. It has nothing to do with police brutality or BLM.

If you do not see this and stand for anything else then You are missing the point and part of the problem. Show me anywhere in history where anti fascism has survived. Every society that has ever succumbed to it has fallen hard in no time at all. Fact check that!

[Heyitsrick]

Thousands of good christians kneel in church each week. Is that desecrating the church or their beliefs. No! It is considered a sign of respect. When knights of old knealt in front of the king, was that disrespect? No! It was a way to show homage and fealty to that institution before which they knealt. These players are respecting the flag and the country while still communicating that they repect these things despite the prejudice and unjust treatment they receive due to the color of their skin.

Why don't we instead rely upon Kaepernick's own words to describe why he was taking a knee:

I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

I'm not sure where the "respect" mentioned here in this thread is coming from. Now, people can surely agree with his point of view. That goes without question. But to say there's "respect" in this action seems contrary to his own words. To me, he's saying he cannot respect the flag - or the nation it represents - because of what he sees.

[Diane Allen]

Just like Brees did initially, you've totally missed the whole point. :oops:

I'm also curious, as to your suggestion(s) on what other "means" should be used to show that..."Black Lives matter?"

:popcorn:
The platform of Black Life Matters calls for de-funding public safety officers (aka police) in our communities. Millions have been donated to this effort from our "celebrities & sports figures", as well as our left thinking fellow Americans. Please think about this seriously. Do we really want to support this?

[tenorgirl]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1777116]It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)[/QUOTE

Backing down for something you believe in shows weakness of character. Brees has as much right to disagree with disrespect for the flag as Kapetnick does for kneeling for the flag. The only thing Brees should be apologizing for is the lack of respect the other athletes have for what the flag stands for. It doesn’t stand for police brutality, it doesn’t stand for looting and violence, it doesn’t stand for political divide, it doesn’t stand for my way or the highway. The flag represents freedoms given to us all and expects others to respect those freedoms . To do otherwise is going down a road toward a police state, communism, nazism whatever you want to call it. Don’t disrespect the symbol, disrespect the people who have brought this great country to the place we are today.

[kenoc7]

Our flag is sacred and should never be disrespected in any manner at all.

Other ways to protest.

How many times does it have to be said so that people understand - IT WASN'T ABOUT THE FLAG.

[billethkid]

The platform of Black Life Matters calls for de-funding public safety officers (aka police) in our communities. Millions have been donated to this effort from our "celebrities & sports figures", as well as our left thinking fellow Americans. Please think about this seriously. Do we really want to support this?

NO!

This should be an easy one for the silent majority to stand and be counted.

[Eg_cruz]

Just like Brees did initially, you've totally missed the whole point. :oops:

I'm also curious, as to your suggestion(s) on what other "means" should be used to show that..."Black Lives matter?"

:popcorn:
And what is the point......it is a football field not a political stage
So what are we missing

[Eg_cruz]

It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)
Maybe we should stand up for what the flag represents.....do research on that

[JimJohnson]

Having a white america and a lesser black America will always have these problems. Being White, I continually witness racism and discrimination of Black Americans. It must stop.

[regas56]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:Thank you for your years of Service.. I respect your opinion but in my opinion I think Colin's actions has had the complete opposite effect as he intended. When we do something that many consider radical or blasphemous people tend to insert Politics and then take sides on the issue to the point it becomes more of a battle than a movement..One good thing I've noticed though is it seems Mr Kaepernick has brought a ton of additional awareness to our great flag as I've never seen more on display as I've seen the last couple years.. When a person kneels for the flag and anthem sadly MILLIONS can't help but see hate, how about if he puts his hands UP in the air and says a prayer that to would be noticed and few would not love and respect that thus listening to his message.. :pray:

[Scorpyo]

Nobody cares what celebrities, athletes, musicians have to say. Their ability to throw a spiral or make faces for the camera have nothing to do with making sound moral decisions.

Drew's agent probably told him his sponsors were getting blowback so make an apology. Big whoop.
Agree wholeheartedly.

[diamond2005]

It takes a big man, who is showing true leadership...to do this. :thumbup:

Drew Brees Apologizes (click here) (http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/drew-brees-apologizes-knee-comments-140313950.html)

You do know why he apologized, don’t you? It was
not because he developed a soft spot in his heart. Who are 85% of the people on his team.

[dplars]

two ways to look at his caving to PC pressure. Its not like he advocated something offensive to most Americans, Offensive only to those who feel they are victims of the system. We are, first all.....Americans.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Scorpyo]

You do know why he apologized, don’t you? It was
not because he developed a soft spot in his heart. Who are 85% of the people on his team.

I agree with your assessment. So Drew apologized because he offended some people. Very compassionate. How many people did Colin offend? I don't remember him apologizing to the people he offended. I guess apologies for offending people go one way.

[New Englander]

Kaepernick was simply trying to get a message out in a peaceful way. Of course the racists ignored the message by wrapping themselves in the flag. Now we have hundreds of cities across America witnessing the effect of that. The country is in turmoil and only we can stop it. It's time we recognize that white privilege is real

Baloney

[regas56]

Thousands of good christians kneel in church each week. Is that desecrating the church or their beliefs. No! It is considered a sign of respect. When knights of old knealt in front of the king, was that disrespect? No! It was a way to show homage and fealty to that institution before which they knealt. These players are respecting the flag and the country while still communicating that they repect these things despite the prejudice and unjust treatment they receive due to the color of their skin.I sure hope it's way more than 1000's in Church.. IMHO we kneel in front of our God because we are not worthy to stand in his presence and we kneel in front of a King to show our subservience (meekness) and if they didn't they may get their heads removed.. When a hero comes home from battle we stand and applaud not kneel, when a person gives a great speech or and entertainer moves us in a positive way we rise to the occasion not kneel with our heads bowed.. We are standing out of respect showing our appreciation to the 1st line workers today for their work and bravery during this epidemic.. I stand and applaud out of respect, I kneel out of fear or compliance..

[kenoc7]

No! It the death of free speech
It’s the mob demanding total compliance
Diversity of thought not tolerated!
Bulling by the mob until compliance with their group think
It’s the death of freedom

No, it is, at least to some extent, a blind man opening his eyes when confronted by the truth.

[Topspinmo]

A 22 year Veteran. Thank you for your service. I doubt that you have used the National Anthem to protest or bring awareness to a cause.

You can bet didn’t in the Army.

[Heyitsrick]

How many times does it have to be said so that people understand - IT WASN'T ABOUT THE FLAG.

You say that, but Kaepernick says otherwise. Here (again, as I posted this upthread) is his quote:



I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

"To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

The man explicitly mentions the flag in his reasoning. Again, people can agree with his motives for kneeling all day long. But he absolutely chose the anthem (and flag) as his way of making his statement. There's no dispute about this. It's his own words that say as much.

[allenmo]

People care as much about what they have to say as they do about what you have to say. If their views are to be ignored so should yours.

[Cybersprings]

The flag is a SYMBOL representing "with liberty, and justice for all." That is what the flag means, in our country. If there is no liberty and justice for all, then the flag's meaning is obscured, and it is actually DISrespectful to stand for it, until liberty, and justice for all is restored.

No matter which "side" you're on (because of course some people will insist there are sides, which is what creates division in the first place)..if you don't believe there should be liberty and justice for all, then you need to either a) move somewhere that is known for not having liberty and justice for all - like North Korea, for example, or b) continue standing for the flag and rejecting the first amendment right to kneel if you disagree that it no longer is what it's supposed to be.

Then it has ALWAYS been DISrespectful to stand for the flag/anthem. There has NEVER been a time nor will there ever be a time when there is/has been liberty and justice for all. There has and always will be injustice in this world, at least as long as there are humans in it. Also, I don't know of anyone who has said that Kap should have been arrested for what he did (THAT would be rejecting the 1st amendment). But saying that you do not support his method of protesting, is merely exercising YOUR 1st amendment right also. Expressing one's disdain for disrespect for the flag/anthem via comment or boycott of NFL/sponsors is exercising the 1st amendment. I am sure that you would support that exercise of 1st amendment just as much as the other, right?

[Cybersprings]

Thousands of good christians kneel in church each week. Is that desecrating the church or their beliefs. No! It is considered a sign of respect. When knights of old knealt in front of the king, was that disrespect? No! It was a way to show homage and fealty to that institution before which they knealt. These players are respecting the flag and the country while still communicating that they repect these things despite the prejudice and unjust treatment they receive due to the color of their skin.

Just so I am clear on your post, Kap knealt to show is respect for the flag and the country, not to protest it? Does he know that was his intent? Or are we trying to say that an action taken in one context and for one intent and applying it to an action applied in a completely different context for a completely different intent so that it looks better...."lipstick on a pig"?

[Denvercane]

I was taught not to desecrate or dishonor the American Flag. To me Kneeling during the national anthem is doing just that. If we allow anyone to do whatever they want as long as they can later justify it because of an injustice or disagreement won't we have anarchy at some point?

I just wish that the football players had used another means to show Black Lives matter.

Quit apologizing for having an opinion. I would never kneel and disrespect the flag and this country. Stay in the locker room if you can't support America. Black athletes are privileged and out of touch with their "brothers". Sitting in your mansion complaining about your treatment loses something in the translation.

[Denvercane]

I disagree. I’m a 22 year Army Veteran and have great respect for what Kaepernick did. He had a large audience to bring an incredibly important issue to the forefront. God Bless Kaepernick.:pray:

I'm sorry, what important issue did he stand up for. What has he done with his millions to help his black brothers. People choose their lifestyle. You can stay in the hood or work hard and get out. Suce is earned not given to you

[Scorpyo]

."lipstick on a pig"?
Hey. Leave my girlfriend out of this.

[John_W]

Black (and white) athletes are not complaining about THEIR OWN positions, they are simply using the fact that they are high-publicity people...to stand up for and bring to light OTHER people's mistreatment/discrimination/inequality.

It still amazes me, how many white people can't grasp...this very simple concept. :oops:


Yes they are athletes, but they are paid to be entertainers and provide millions of Americans an external release from their daily lives. When players step across the line, they are no longer entertainers, and are trying to dictate to you how to live your daily life. Shut up and and catch the ball, and when they play the National Anthem stand at attention for a couple of minutes, is that asking too much?

When you're on your own time, do whatever you want, but when fans are paying $300 for a seat and $10 for beer to be entertained, you are on the clock.

https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Kaepernick-george-floyd-protests.jpg

[Alana33]

Kaepernick was bringing awareness to racial discrimination and injustices.
Same thing people have been and are protesting now with the public display of the needless deaths of yet another black man! The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?

How many of you would want to be treated the way black men, women and people of color are treated?
Let's hear it!

[Heyitsrick]

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?



I'm convinced I'm typing with invisible ink, lol. Here we go again. These are Kaepernick's own words as to why he wouldn't stand during the anthem:



I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color ,"

Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.



Can we please drop this "it's not about the flag" stuff with him? He very clearly used the flag as his protest symbol. And I'm not talking about the flag as a piece of material with various colors, stars and stripes. I'm talking about what it represents. To him, it didn't live up to its claimed representation, and hence he chose not to honor it. But he absolutely made clear by his own words that he couldn't stand to show pride in the flag.

[JoMar]

Kaepernick was bringing awareness to racial discrimination and injustices.
Same thing people have been and are protesting now with the public display of the needless deaths of yet another black man! The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

He was not disrespecting the flag.
You kneel to pray, don't you?

How many of you would want to be treated the way black men, women and people of color are treated?
Let's hear it!

Apples and oranges.....I worked for a Company run by Black men and women. They had several mantra's but the one that sticks with me, "you can take the man out of the Ghetto but rarely take the Ghetto out of the man" The other belief is that the community has an obligation to help the community, not show it's faults and then expect someone else to help and fix it. (Kneeling). Had a conversation with several of them last week on the subject and they abhor the violence and destruction but they understand those behind it are political and are the wealthiest of the Black community. What are they doing...they have established mentor programs for the those that are distressed and the youth, they do public speaking in their communites and church's, not to rile people up but to show how they can have an impact. Bringing attention so a situation is one thing, finding a positive way to improve is another.

[GoodLife]

The list of deaths whether by police or homegrown racists is staggering!

Let's see it. We can then compare it to the lists of black on black murders, black on white murders, and police killed or injured in the last week.

[bluecenturian]

As a veteran I think it takes a bigger man to not disrespect the flag or country that has given them what they have today. Many Americans died protecting that flag, any kind of disrespect during the anthem is sh*ttung in their sacrifice. For a minute and 40 seconds show some respect.

[ColdNoMore]

As a veteran I think it takes a bigger man to not disrespect the flag or country that has given them what they have today. Many Americans died protecting that flag, any kind of disrespect during the anthem is sh*ttung in their sacrifice. For a minute and 40 seconds show some respect.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Can one also presume then, that you are also strongly against...using our flag for things like bikini's/other clothing, headbands, rifle slings, etc.?

And how about those who aren't trying to protest injustices, but stay in their easy chair and eat pretzels and drink beer...when the anthem plays on television?

Are those things OK?

Assuming you are consistent, don't you think those other folks that criticize taking a knee to protest injustices/inequality in our country, but have no problem with the other things I've mentioned...are being total hypocrites?

[New Englander]

Let's see it. We can then compare it to the lists of black on black murders, black on white murders, and police killed or injured in the last week.

That's a issue that if you talk about it "You're a racist". The reality is, black on black murder is a daily occurrence.

[Marvic 1]

It still amazes me, how many white people can't grasp...this very simple concept.

Maybe this is why... - White on Black VS Black on White Incidents -

[ColdNoMore]

Maybe this is why... - White on Black VS Black on White Incidents -

Fake memes, goofy graphs and false PowerPoint pages 'supposedly' taken from real information from the "Bureau of Justice Statistics" site...has already been exposed. :ho:

This explains how certain groups try to pass on things from BJS, that look nothing like what BJS produces (there's a link, in this link, that takes you to their actual site).

ANYONE can make up...what you're trying to pass off. :oops:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Fakes (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1776211-post12.html)






Here's the REAL site.

Now go find that meme you posted. :popcorn:

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) (https://www.bjs.gov/search/index.cfm?q=black+on+white+crime+%2B+graphs&btnG=Search+BJS#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=black%20on%20white%20crime%20%2B%20graphs&gsc.page=1)


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[flgolfer]

There was no need to apologize

It's his opinion and mine.

[mamamia54]

Pleas stop comparing kneeling to pray with kneeling to disrespect our flag They are two totally different things.

[Marvic 1]

Fake memes, goofy graphs and false PowerPoint pages 'supposedly' taken from real information from the "Bureau of Justice Statistics" site...has already been exposed. :ho:

This explains how certain groups try to pass on things from BJS, that look nothing like what BJS produces (there's a link, in this link, that takes you to their actual site).

ANYONE can make up...what you're trying to pass off. :oops:

Suppose I tell you I took this picture, it come from a News telecast on my Television Yesterday around 8:35 PM.
If its fake then you should have a good excuse to sue this Network....
This Statistic information that I posted will NOT be shown on CNN of MSNBC..
Its the real deal or show me other wise.... :ho:

[Fishers2tall]

Fake memes, goofy graphs and false PowerPoint pages 'supposedly' taken from real information from the "Bureau of Justice Statistics" site...has already been exposed. :ho:

This explains how certain groups try to pass on things from BJS, that look nothing like what BJS produces (there's a link, in this link, that takes you to their actual site).

ANYONE can make up...what you're trying to pass off. :oops:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Fakes (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1776211-post12.html)






Here's the REAL site.

Now go find that meme you posted. :popcorn:

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) (https://www.bjs.gov/search/index.cfm?q=black+on+white+crime+%2B+graphs&btnG=Search+BJS#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=black%20on%20white%20crime%20%2B%20graphs&gsc.page=1)


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I hate fake memes and fake news so I used the link provided that was supposed to be from the “real site” and found Table 14 on the bottom of page 13. I found that it provides the exact figures used in the meme that was said to be fake, goofy, and false and essentially verifies it’s truthfulness and accuracy.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/84450d1591395617-drew-brees-apologizes-c27dbad7-6fcb-4d58-98dd-abe6eaa89a5d-jpg

[mjpuleo]

All lives matter, no matter race, religion, etc.

[ColdNoMore]

I hate fake memes and fake news so I used the link provided that was supposed to be from the “real site” and found Table 14 on the bottom of page 13. I found that it provides the exact figures used in the meme that was said to be fake, goofy, and false and essentially verifies it’s truthfulness and accuracy.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/84450d1591395617-drew-brees-apologizes-c27dbad7-6fcb-4d58-98dd-abe6eaa89a5d-jpg

Please point out the numbers from the real site...that match the made up meme in Post #92. :oops:


P.S. - Goodell, just this evening...has also admitted that the NFL "got it wrong."

[ColdNoMore]

All lives matter, no matter race, religion, etc.

Agreed.

So when will ALL lives...start being treated equally?

[Scorpyo]

I hate fake memes and fake news so I used the link provided that was supposed to be from the “real site” and found Table 14 on the bottom of page 13. I found that it provides the exact figures used in the meme that was said to be fake, goofy, and false and essentially verifies it’s truthfulness and accuracy.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/84450d1591395617-drew-brees-apologizes-c27dbad7-6fcb-4d58-98dd-abe6eaa89a5d-jpg
Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes? Lol

[JimJohnson]

This has been a great thread and I thank TOTV for being tolerant of some less than happy posts. It is so very important to discuss disagreements. Being prejudiced against others (in my opinion), comes from fear or at least a lack of understanding of our differences. I believe there are good Black, Hispanic and White people! I also believe that Black people despise Black Thugs, Hispanic people despise Brown Thugs and I certainly despise White Thugs. If we would start with that, perhaps we could work together and find solutions for ridding the country of all Thugs. Stereotyping causes Tribalism and division.

[Two Bills]

Kneeling is now OK.:shrug:

NFL says players' protests during national anthem should be allowed - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52945934)

[ColdNoMore]

It's never too late...to do the right thing. :ho:

[Mardarlowe]

Has to fake an apology to keep his sponsors. It's the world we live in.

[ColdNoMore]

Never admit to being wrong, because the ignorant, simple-minded and easily led...will view you as being "weak." :ohdear:

[dawnrizo]

I'm confused...Was he lying about respecting our nation's flag & what it represents to him...or is he lying now by apologizing for saying it? So sad...🤥 The truth shall set you free.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm confused...Was he lying about respecting our nation's flag & what it represents to him...or is he lying now by apologizing for saying it? So sad...������ The truth shall set you free.

The "confusion" can be easily cleared up, by answering whether one has ever changed their initial reaction upon further self-examination and reflection...or if they just stubbornly stay with their initial knee-jerk reaction.

Some do the former...the majority do the latter. :ho:

[GoodLife]

Agreed.

So when will ALL lives...start being treated equally?

84456

George Floyd (ex con, drug addict)
Non stop nationwide news coverage, protests, riots etc

84457

David Dorn (retired Police Captain, mentor to disadvantaged youth)
No nationwide news coverage, protests, riots etc

[billethkid]

84456

George Floyd (ex con, drug addict)
Non stop nationwide news coverage, protests, riots etc

84457

David Dorn (retired Police Captain, mentor to disadvantaged youth)
No nationwide news coverage, protests, riots etc

Because it does not support the agenda.......the reason he is dead is the agenda!

[Byte1]

Drew did not need to apologize. He said what was on his mind; his opinion. Since when does anyone's opinion in America warrant punishment? Kapernick has scammed so many willing and weak minded folks into thinking that his motivation was anything other than for himself. Kap started with the racism scam as soon as he knew he was going to be dumped because he was nothing more than a mediocre player. Some of us followed it from the beginning and did not fall for his ploy.
Someone replied on here with a question when someone suggested that there were other means to further the BLM than desecrating the flag and National Anthem. If players REALLY need to express themselves on the playing field they could do it when they achieved a goal or even a successful pass completion if it is absolutely necessary.
This country was moving along very well and diversity was being taught at the police academy, and job quotas have been in place. Affirmative action has been used. Personally, I do not agree with any of the special treatment, but liberals do so I have compromised by allowing them to fail in their endeavors. A good black man recently said that as long as blacks demand special treatment and benefits, the whites will never respect them. He said if they want respect and equality, then they should obtain their education and work like everyone else to achieve that respect. I was raised to be color blind when it comes to race. Do not want to get into a political discussion but it seems to me that the leftist does not respect folks of color and insist on controlling them. As long as the gov. continues to control the purse strings either in welfare or education, the gov. controls the very lives of recipients. It may be easier for me to find commonality with those of color because I am from a multi-ethnicity family. I do not condone anyone wearing that chip on their shoulder, whether black or white. Do not suggest that I walk in their shoes when you do not know me. If a race cannot assimilate into the environment, they are destined to stay on the outside looking in. Asians, Jews, Irish, Italians and yes Latinos have assimilated into our culture. It's time for the rest to remove their chip and join us, not force us to coddle their demands. In the last few days, I have seen instances that have given me hope. Some of the demonstrators have confronted the radicals that were destroying and assaulting under the cover of the peaceful marchers.
Not trying to divert this thread to another subject but we have all seen the unfortunate death of Floyd on that video. We do not know the motive so I find it ludicrous for anyone to say it was racially motivated. Only two of the four suspected COPS were white. There is no excuse for four law enforcement officers to end up killing one person detained, but a lot of folks have been hurt either financially ruined, physically injured or even killed because some jumped to the conclusion that this was race related. EVERY police Dept. has investigations when a police officer uses force. Many require a "use of force" report and it is handed over to someone to investigate. More than 99% of law enforcement are good people doing a thankless job. When a movement to de-fund police is started and run with, it makes one wonder how anyone can be so stupid to suggest such an idea. If you shrink a police Dept. who do you think is going to get their protection? It's going to be the white neighborhoods and businesses that pay taxes. The poor communities with the most crime will get the least protection. That's a fact, and common sense.
Going back to the kneeling thing, who do you think is convinced by it? Most folks are insulted by the kneeling act. Do not presume to rationalize it by talking about praying and other far out ideas that you all use to justify the lack of patriotism that is being displayed blatantly by someone that started it to force his boss to keep him. Any former military member will tell you that he/she fought so that you all could have the freedom to desecrate the flag and the National Anthem. That does not make it right, and most patriots will agree. Yes, there are some that wish you to believe they are "liberal minded" and believe that you should be able to have freedom to have your tantrums. Insulting the majority of the population in this country does not achieve support for your agenda. I remember when demonstrators were ostracized when they burnt the flag or even when the flag was thrown on the ground. Do not start with comparing it with other actions. I have my opinion and I find it disrespectful to those of us that have served, some of us even in combat. I find it disrespectful to my deceased father that fought in WWII and I find it disrespectful to all those that came before that put their lives on the line, sacrificing for this country and the flag that flies as a reminder. If you have a pet grieve that is related to how harshly you have been treated at your million dollar job, do not try to get sympathy by insulting us. For those that allow others to walk on you and dictate how you should think and what your opinion should be, by ostracizing you for your opinion.....grow a couple (to put it in a way that some might understand). Do not apologize for being a good person with an opinion that may not conform to a few others. I see WHY Drew apologized, but I also do not believe it was necessary. I do respect him for it though. He knows that if his sponsors cut him, then he will not have the funding that he often donates for causes that help many unfortunates. I bet those that criticize him do not come close to the community service he accomplishes.
This is my opinion, and I do NOT apologize for it.

[ColdNoMore]

Snip...>
This is my opinion, and I do NOT apologize for it.

Definitely don't apologize for it.

As more decent people need to understand...exactly what they are up against. :thumbup:

[Fishers2tall]

Please point out the numbers from the real site...that match the made up meme in Post #92. :oops:[/I]



I will be glad to. First click on the link you provided to the real site and you will pull up the webpage pictured below in the first thumbnail. I apologize for not being able to separate the linked thumbnail illustrations. I am not overly tech savvy. On that webpage you click on the second link provided titled “Criminal victimization, 2018: Full report”
That will take you to a 37 page report. Scroll down to the bottom of page 13 where you will find Table 14 which I have pictured in the bottom thumbnail. From there all that is needed is simple math. The first column lists how many times the different races were victims of violent crimes. Whites were victims 3,581,360 times, blacks were victims 563,940 times. Combining those brings you to 4,145,300 for Total Violent Incidents which is the first number listed in the meme in question. Next whites are listed as the offender against blacks 10.6% of the time. 10.6% of 563,940 is 59,777. This verifies the number of white on black incidents in the meme in question. Next blacks are listed as the offender against whites 15.3% of the time. 15.3% of 3,581,360 is 547,948. This verifies the black on white incident figure in the meme in question.

So the meme in question is in fact taken from legitimate Bureau of Justice statistics. It is truthful and accurate or at least as accurate as government statistics allow.

Lastly I have no idea who may respond to this post. This will absolutely be the last you hear from me in this thread. For the most part I don’t care for most of social media because I hate to argue. Also in the general scheme of things my opinion doesn’t matter to anyone but me and that makes it pretty much irrelevant. I’m okay with that. I don’t like people being belittled or harassed no matter what their viewpoint is. One side constantly questions the patriotism of the other so that side accuses the other side of caring more about money than people. Both sides say the other side is racist. Nobody ever admits to being wrong about anything. Nobody ever changes their mind. Leftists will never admit that conservatives could be right about anything and conservatives will never admit that any of the lefts ideas could have merit. Thirty to forty years ago that was ok. You could disagree with someone’s politics and still be friends and you certainly didn’t worry that you could lose your job over a differing opinion. That is sadly happening less and less. Freedom of speech is rapidly becoming a quaint relic of years gone by. We are all supposed to be tolerant but I don’t see much tolerance these days. Instead I see a boatload of hate. I also see one idea starting to being promoted that will have a devastatingly negative impact on every single person in the United States. That is the call to defund police departments. Seriously have people gone completely insane? City council’s, mayors of large cities, even congressional representatives are calling for this. We are told this is possible if we all just become better people. Well dang this is gonna be great. We will all just be better people and we won’t need any police because nobody will break any laws and since everyone is going to be so thoughtful and loving we can just get rid of our military too since we won’t have anymore wars. I imagine that around the same time someone really smart will figure a way for money to grow on trees and we will no longer have any poor people. Get real people!! Criminals that break into houses and steal aren’t going to stop one day and say to themselves I should stop doing this and get a job so I can pay for my own stuff. With no police the burglars and drug addicts will steal even more. The rapists will rape more, drunk drivers will cause more fatal accidents, and on and on it will go. Crime in every category will go up not down. Life as you know it will be far worse. To believe otherwise is to ignore human history. Fifty plus years ago I remember hearing my grandparents say on occasion what is this world coming to. Now I am a senior citizen and I am thinking the same thing! We seem to be headed in the wrong direction. I hope we can change before this wonderful country of ours falls apart.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84465&stc=1&d=1591460894

[ColdNoMore]

Snip...>
That will take you to a 37 page report. Scroll down to the bottom of page 13 where you will find Table 14 which I have pictured in the bottom thumbnail. From there all that is needed is simple math. The first column lists how many times the different races were victims of violent crimes. Whites were victims 3,581,360 times, blacks were victims 563,940 times. Combining those brings you to 4,145,300 for Total Violent Incidents which is the first number listed in the meme in question. Next whites are listed as the offender against blacks 10.6% of the time. 10.6% of 563,940 is 59,777. This verifies the number of white on black incidents in the meme in question. Next blacks are listed as the offender against whites 15.3% of the time. 15.3% of 3,581,360 is 547,948. This verifies the black on white incident figure in the meme in question.

So the meme in question is in fact taken from legitimate Bureau of Justice statistics. It is truthful and accurate or at least as accurate as government statistics allow. <...Snip

First of all, you deserve credit for making the effort for your analysis...and doing it in a respectful manner. :thumbup:

HOWEVER, you may want to go back and read the meme again.

You are stating that black on white interracial incidents are 15.3%...yet the meme states it is 90.16%.

Which was my whole point.



As to the "defunding" of police departments, I had a well-researched post that disappeared that actually explained...what "defunded" meant by most of those calling for it.

I totally agree that it would be crazy to eliminate police forces in their entirety and would never agree to doing that, but most of those who speak of defunding are talking about spending less on hiring more cops (NOT eliminating police departments in whole)...and channeling that to programs that will hopefully result in less police needed in the first place.



Now, of course, will come the piling on and personal attacks from my 'fan club' (:1rotfl:), but I will once again acknowledge my appreciation of you disagreeing...in a respectful manner.

I just wish we had more of that. :ohdear:

[Byte1]

Definitely don't apologize for it.

As more decent people need to understand...exactly what they are up against. :thumbup:

Thank you. I am surrounded by "more decent people" that agree with me and think on the same line as myself. And I am sure you feel you are a decent person also. Some decent folks do not always agree.

[GoodLife]

HOWEVER, you may want to go back and read the meme again.

You are stating that black on white interracial incidents are 15.3%...yet the meme states it is 90.16%.

Which was my whole point.


Somebody appears to need some help in mathematics.

84471

I'll go slow, so you can follow along.

The chart lists total INTERRACIAL violent incidents as 607,725

White on Black is 59,777 or 9.84% of 607,725

Black on White is 547,948 or 90.16% of 607,725

here's the tricky part, divide 547,948 by 607,725 and bingo, you get 90.16 percent of interracial violent incidents are indeed Black on White.

This level of math is taught in the 3rd grade.

[bilcon]

The inmates are finally running the Asylum. God Bless America, we are going to need it.

[John_W]

The inmates are finally running the Asylum. God Bless America, we are going to need it.

I know exactly what you mean. I grew up a fan of the Today show. I loved that show in the morning when Dave Garroway was the host and they had J Fred Muggs the monkey.

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Then in the 80's we had Bryant Gumble and Jane Pauley. Jane has been a great commentator her whole career and Bryant never played the race card, he's always been a straight shooter and a professional.

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In the 2000's we had Matt Lauer, Al Roker, Savannah and Natalie Morales, who I think is one of the most beautiful woman on TV. Matt as it turns out, had some flaws and it was probably good that he left.

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...and now we have this crew, who are totally unwatchable. Sheinelle Jones is the worse of the bunch. Erica Hill, Amy Robach and a few others have all been forced out so Jones could move to the top. What a load of crap, Comcast owns NBC and thanks to you, you're the worst!!

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Fox 35 Orlando, this is local TV at it's best!!! David Martin everyday is out an about in central Florida, Great Reporting!!!

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[Marvic 1]

Again, this statistic will NEVER be shown on CNN or MSNBC so I'll post it again here so you can remember what matters the most.....

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