Another COVID-19 myth exposed!

[Leadbone1]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

[Ginpappas]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

[Stu from NYC]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

very true

[Wallyworld]

When will you figure out this is all political!!

[EdFNJ]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?


LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.

[Topspinmo]

LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.


Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

[roscoguy]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!

And how do you distinguish the "asymptomatic" from the "presymptomatic"?

[sdeikenberry]

The statement the author makes is misleading. It's talking about people who are asymptomatic. There are people who are infected that show no, or very mild, symptoms and they, and we, should still be protected from them. These people are in a different class than the one the author notes. Read this whole article. Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html)

[rlcooper70]

It took only three months to destroy the world's economy? And yet the stock market is at an all time high with around 15% unemployment and half of small business in bankruptcy. Why? And the president literally tried to call out the military ... to quell protests ... and few noticed .... does martial law and the end of Democracy require that we notice? And the stock market is at an all time high? Very confusing.

[Benitacathcarb]

CRUCIAL QUOTE
"Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms," Van Kerkhove later tweeted.


WHO Says Asymptomatic Spread Of Coronavirus 'Very Rare,' But Experts Raise Questions (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/08/who-says-asymptomatic-spread-of-coronavirus-very-rare-but-experts-raise-questions/)

Why are people so against being cautious?

[Leadbone1]

It took only three months to destroy the world's economy? And yet the stock market is at an all time high with around 15% unemployment and half of small business in bankruptcy. Why? And the president literally tried to call out the military ... to quell protests ... and few noticed .... does martial law and the end of Democracy require that we notice? And the stock market is at an all time high? Very confusing.

It’s not confusing at all. It’s all politically motivated. None of what’s happened in the last three months should’ve happened. The more we find out the more we realize this is true. Stop being confused

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

I agree. I think that we're getting the best information that experts have at the time. As they study this thing, they learn more about it and sometimes they found that what they originally thought was wrong.

But how do we know if this latest information is right or wrong? That may change as well and it may be revealed that what they originally thought was correct.

Some people believe that this is all some kind of conspiracy to control the people. I'm not much on conspiracy theories to begin with but with 50 governors all on board and the leaders of 180 countries around the world agreeing, it would have to be the biggest conspiracy of all time.

One rule about conspiring is that the fewer people the better. if this was all a big plot, someone would have spoken out.

[Leadbone1]

"someone on TOTV" just quoted the WHO. So, it's not your uncles third cousin. What a stupid comment. Meanwhile, with this new understanding, can the 99% of us (asymptomatic) take off our masks and enjoy life again. I hate these damn things.

The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

[Juniper]

It’s called grinding gears between crises.

[Professor]

Sure, just stay away from the rest of the world who actually care about others who may be susceptible to the virus. Of course, you will have to figure out who those people are since they don't wear a sign that tells you their condition...Seems simpler to just wear a mask.

[NotFromAroundHere]

"someone on TOTV" just quoted the WHO. So, it's not your uncles third cousin. What a stupid comment. Meanwhile, with this new understanding, can the 99% of us (asymptomatic) take off our masks and enjoy life again. I hate these damn things.

Asymptomatic means a person had the disease, but showed no symptoms throughout it's progression. That is definitely not 99% of us.

What WHO said is not what most of us take from the headline. Read the article.

[stadry]

i don't know if masks are worth the effort or not but they can't hurt, can they ? this thread does point out how little we still know other than it should rightly be named 'kung flu.'

[Slapnut]

Most medical personnel say that masks are bad for you to wear for prolonged periods of time
They say you are breathing in your own bacteria and you are also breathing in your own nitrogen which is harmful to the brain when you are breathing it constantly. It was also reported early last week that you should only wear a mask if treating someone with the virus. Who knows if this information will change next week like everything else but I choose to breathe in oxygen versus my own bacteria or nitrogen.

[Singerlady]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

This is a virus that the experts know very little about. They are learning as they go...just like us! No endless guilting. Not incorrect data or information. Tests are being conducted as I write. Deal with it.

[Singerlady]

When will you figure out this is all political!!
Everything is not political.

[coalminer]

Tell that to the 110000 covid 19 victoms

[crash]

When will you figure out this is all political!!

Yes all those people who died was just because of U.S. politics. This was a world pandemic but you still want to blame it on politics.

[iht2209]

Really...... over 100,000 dead..... and with hundreds of thousands more dead across the world and you think it’s political...... wow I guess it’s really true .... you can’t fix it

[crash]

Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

And if we had done nothing and had 2 million die what would that of done to the economy?

This has happened before and people were objecting to masks and protesting just like now but some people can’t see that. Remember the Spanish flu, 2 million dead.

[Klatu]

CRUCIAL QUOTE
"Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms," Van Kerkhove later tweeted.


WHO Says Asymptomatic Spread Of Coronavirus 'Very Rare,' But Experts Raise Questions (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/08/who-says-asymptomatic-spread-of-coronavirus-very-rare-but-experts-raise-questions/)

Why are people so against being cautious?

Caution is one thing: as you would do when there is a flu outbreak. But the Wuhan virus reaction has been tied up in politics, with one side trying to damage both the economy and the political prospects of the president, and the other side trying to take a measured approach to make sure "the cure is not worse than the disease."

We have people now, and you can see them on every social media site, who react with hysterical outbursts when they see people without masks or not staying six feet away from each other. Remember the hundreds of young people at the lake of the Ozarks party? The hysterics went into overdrive with that crowd, screaming that hundreds would contract the virus. Result: a couple of people came down with it. Same thing with Michigan voting and dire predictions of outbreaks from voting Same thing with bogus attacks on hydroxychloroquine, to spread fear and anxiety.

And the fear mongers who deliberately exaggerated the danger for purposes of power or politics or financial gain should be held accountable for the hundreds of thousands people who did not get cancer screenings, treatment for coronary disease or a host of other truly life threatening conditions because they were frightened and bullied into staying home.

[TomPerry]

I’m in Massachusetts now and masks are required in public. People ride alone in their car with a mask!!!! That’s like lying in bed alone with a condom on!!!

[GoodLife]

Here is a study published a few days ago that says the opposite, asymptomatic spread is responsible for 40-45% of cases.

One of the more insidious features of the new coronavirus behind COVID-19 is its ability to settle into unsuspecting hosts who never show signs of being sick but are able to spread the virus to others.

In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%.

Nearly Half of COVID-19 Cases May Be Spread Asymptomatically | Time (https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/)

[deebrock]

I agree. Thank you. Never hurts to be to cautious.

[kenpoboy]

You probably believe what the government tells you too....right?

[Challenger]

"A pound of prevention is worth more than a ton of cure" I remember my Dad talking of the Spanish Flu with coffins stacked up on street corners in Baltimore. Ive spent a bit of time in Viet Nam over the past few years. Everyone wears masks almost all the time. 95 million people . Very few cases and only a handful of deaths.

[lululemon]

Thank you for your response.

[CarrieOn]

Amen Gina!!! All it takes is for corona to touch you closely and I believe all would be on a different band wagon!! My friends traveling partners died in different hospitals a day apart, neither knew each other passed..At 51 & healthy!! I’m wearing a mask..and you also can’t pick where u think you are going to contract it either..wear a mask at Publix but not at stein mart..go figure..

[Magajane]

I do agree with you. We still need to be very careful. It’s a learning virus and I for one plan to still do everything I can to stay healthy.

[davem4616]

I do agree with you. We still need to be very careful. It’s a learning virus and I for one plan to still do everything I can to stay healthy.


ditto

Given that we don't even know what we don't know about this...and we can't really trust that the information we are getting is totally unbiased....I've taken control and am running my life the way I believe will be a safe path

There's still a lot that I want to do yet

[SacDQ]

The comment falls in line with what experts at WHO have been stressing for months: Most coronavirus spread happens through sustained close contact between people indoors — in homes, offices, churches, hospitals, and other settings where people come together for hours at a time and airflow is restricted.

So getting out is now better than staying in.
🤪🤪

[Aloha1]

Asymptomatic means a person had the disease, but showed no symptoms throughout it's progression. That is definitely not 99% of us.

What WHO said is not what most of us take from the headline. Read the article.

That is not what it means. Asymptomatic means the person IS infected but does not show or feel any symptoms. Those are the people WHO is talking about as being rare cases of transmission. Symptomatic people are also infected and those with even mild symptoms should wear a mask because they CAN spread the virus.

We have no clue as to how many people out there had the virus but were asymptomatic and now would test negative because the odds are they never got tested in the first place. Those people are no threat.

[Lakeland4d]

I was with a friend yesterday who told me about her family’s loss. A younger daughter was caring for her father during COVID19 by bringing him groceries and other necessities so he didnt have to go out. He became ill and they both tested positive. He recently passed away. She was asymptomatic and passed it to him. So there is truth to the fact that someone can carry the virus without being sick.

[Waltdisney4life]

No one can cheat death, when it’s your time it’s gonna happen!

[hrenner]

When will you figure out this is all political!!
So,
110,000 americans dying so far is political?
Sad

[Astron]

Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.
The stock market seems to disagree with the idea that the economy has been destroyed.

[LWoodLMT]

You are absolutely right my friend!!

[wiltma]

Van Kerkhove also said that what appear to be asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 often turn out to be cases of mild disease.

[Schaumburger]

The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

Giving a little dose of what is happening in the world of people who are not yet retired -- employees at all offices in my company are now required to wear a mask when away from their desks. At my employer's production facilities, employees must wear a mask at all times, plus have their temperatures checked before their shift.

When I return to working in my office 2 days a week starting next week, I wonder what would happen if I marched into the VP of HR's office and said, "Masks are virtually useless. I ain't wearing a mask." I wonder how fast I would be terminated? Considering the unemployment rate is greater than 13%, I think I will stick with wearing a mask in my office.

The mask policy does not only apply at my company. A few of my friends must also wear a mask when they are working in their offices.

[DonnaNi4os]

The WHO seems to flip flop every other day. I am not convinced that asymptomatic people seldom spread the virus. That is just my opinion before you jump all over my statement. My mind goes back to an a symptomatic woman who spread disease that lead to many deaths. You may remember her as Typhoid Mary. I believe that the World Health Organization is succumbing to political pressure. It seems that politics sadly drives the world.

[DonnaNi4os]

Medical professionals have been double masking for months for hours and hours every day. Their brains haven’t been so effected that they cannot treat their patients. I’m not buying the nitrogen/mask reference.

[cheweycat]

Public Health officials all say the mask is the #1 protection for others. It should be worn to protect others. All people should wear masks. Could you cite the article about the size of the virus and the inefficacy of masks?

[Paporter]

LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.


How many people have died from previous viruses verses this year? How many of these were from the most vulnerable? Frankly, I’m starting think we’re being infected with viruses by the “annual” push for flu shots. I never had flu shots, until I moved TV’s and have gotten so sick with flu every year. This past year, I refused the flu shot and I thought my doctor was going to throw me out of his office for refusing the shot. He was so angry. Guess what, I did NOT get sick this year. Being a Floridian, I’ve learned how to keep away from snowbirds and their germs etc. The best way is don’t go to the doctor, get medical testing during snowbird season. These waiting rooms are infested with viruses and bacteria.

[theruizs]

And how do you distinguish the "asymptomatic" from the "presymptomatic"?

Exactly! and that’s why everyone should have been wearing masks all along when being around other people, IMHO.

[cheweycat]

And kill over 110,000 people.

[kendi]

Most medical personnel say that masks are bad for you to wear for prolonged periods of time
They say you are breathing in your own bacteria and you are also breathing in your own nitrogen which is harmful to the brain when you are breathing it constantly. It was also reported early last week that you should only wear a mask if treating someone with the virus. Who knows if this information will change next week like everything else but I choose to breathe in oxygen versus my own bacteria or nitrogen.

They hide all the pretty smiles we used to see. And people are so hateful towards each other over the virus. So sad to see. You’d think that by the time a person reached their senior years they’d have learned how to interact respectfully with others. Especially those who claim to be Christian.

[theruizs]

Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

If it is that easy to destroy the free world economy then it needs a serious revamp anyway. On a lighter note, not sure if you all saw the meme recently posted elsewhere on TOTV with Doc from “Back to the Future” saying to Marty - “Whatever you do, don’t stop in 2020!” A good chuckle, but I sure hope 2020 ends on higher note.

[kanoa1kale2]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Would you seriously consider ANYTHING the WHO puts out these days as truth? What if at China's bidding this information was disseminated to cause more infections? At this point, I would be fact checking anything I could and using common sense to guide my actions.

[lyndastahl]

I would not believe W.H.O.
Just take care of yourself. I would rather be safe then sorry.
For me I will wear a mask. I will do what is best for me.

[Manhoopty]

PT Barnum just smiles....second by second....:)

[Manhoopty]

2 “trusted” sources....the W H O and CNN.....

[stadalberts]

It's a strange, strange world we live in, Captain Jack.......

[Lindsyburnsy]

If a person has contracted COVID 19, but are asymptomatic, they can spread the virus. Those who are NOT INFECTED and are asymptomatic, it is much rarer that they can spread the virus. Aside from that, the scientists don't know everything about this virus, yet. Wear a mask to protect others and yourself.




The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

[LowOnCash]

The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

Ok its just your opinion not to wear a mask - the problem the mask is not for you its for me!

If you happen to be stuck in an elevator and you start sneezing or coughing contaminating the air in this space, what about the other people in the elevator.

What if you have a common flu is it ok with you to spread it to others?

Quit thinking of just yourself, the death count is near accurate!

[newgirl]

It is not at a all time high, stop watching Fox

[graciegirl]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Here is the article, whose headline you quote and if you read to the VERY end you will see the Correction.

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is '''very rare,''' WHO says (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=sharebar%7Cfacebook&par=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1uTzff_Ap7AckmEK5d5SPXk5mtnvLum1yhRrSGX hZRh9rMNW1ngjx23Qk)

[merrymini]

Why would I listen to anything the “experts” are saying since they do not seem to know anything with certainty. ,
Maybe they can learn how to say “we do not know.”

[riamd1954]

Yes I knew it from the get go !! Can’t trust the WHO

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Here's a situation:

Someone who works at Walmart has allergies - they sneeze and their nose runs during thick humid days and on high-pollen days. They take meds for it, so it's "controlled" but sometimes it just kinda happens, breakthrough symptoms you could call it.

One day, he says "I'm not wearing a mask anymore." Walmart is okay with this and tells him he doesn't have to wear his mask, because you can't trust what WHO says, and everyone knows that it doesn't protect anyone from anything anyway.

So he keeps his mask off.

Two weeks later, there are 1000 new cases of coronavirus confirmed, of which 10 have become full-blown COVID-19 pneumonia, all within a 20 mile radius of this Walmart.

Turns out - this guy WAS infected with coronavirus, but he was asymptomatic. So he had the virus and was spreading it to everyone in the store - thousands and thousands of people, tens of thousands. And all his fellow employees.

Now those 1000 diagnosed coronavirus patients - they are merely the ones who were diagnosed. There are another 20,000 who are now asymptomatic, infected with the virus, spreading it to everyone they know, unaware that they even need to get tested.

This is what happens when you tell people at work they don't need to wear a mask, while they are not showing any symptoms of the virus.

If you need to be in fairly close proximity to thousands of people every day, in an environment with a controlled air ventilation system, you need to be wearing a mask while you're in there. There really is no way around it.

[ColdNoMore]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

Exactly! :thumbup:

The fact that we are learning more and more about this "novel" (some people should look up what that means) virus every day and passing on and modifying directions/suggestions, should be seen as a very positive thing...and not a rallying cry of "we're being lied to." :oops:

[Gizemo33]

Great analogy of how COVID-19 spreads. Thank you very much.

[Joe C.]

In today's world, everything that can be politicized WILL be politicized by those who would profit.
Yes, Covid-19 is out there and we do need to take precautions.
Government agencies get involved, and the more they "speak", the more they gain importance. The more "necessary" they can make themselves, the more money they stand to get added to their budget.
It's also an opportunity for those in government and politics who oppose the current ruling party, to cause chaos, instill doubt and social unrest, and then say that they have the solution to our problems.

The ONLY SOLUTION is to use common sense, and take all the news you hear with a grain of salt. And, PAY ATTENTION....analyze what's going on, and see that it's all about the MONEY, POWER AND CONTROL.
Don't get suckered in.

[dtennent]

As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.

[SouthJerseyGirl]

Really? It’s not a conspiracy against you. They are trying to save your ass from death! It takes awhile to learn about a new disease. Better to he safe than sorry!

[WindyCityzen]

This is being debated right now. This is all new to everyone, including epidemiologists. Immediately jumping to conclusions won’t help.

[cherylncliff]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

If you read the actual report you will see that they differentiate between people who are pre-symptomatic and those who are asymptomatic. Pre-symptomatic are people who have COVID -19 but have not yet started to have symptoms. All the data shows that these people reach their highest infectiousness 2-3 days before they actually display symptoms. Asymptomatic are people who have COVID-19 but only a mild case and they never really display any symptoms and seem to be less infectious.

The reason for social distancing and masks is to prevent spread due to the pre-symptomatic people who are highly infectious but do not yet realize they are sick and can give the virus to others.

Please look at all the facts.

[EdFNJ]

Edit: typed at the same moment as the post right above this .....

Maybe if everyone would read IN IT'S ENTIRETY what actually was written by the W.H.O. rather than what one person speaking said this entire trolling thread would never have happened. One must really read beyond the dark bold headline.

[Bill Torres]

I guess for me the use of a mask is like the use of the umbrella when the morning weather reports states 50% chance of rain today I asked myself should I chance it by not taking an umbrella and get wet.

At least I was given something of an advise. I'll take the advise and not regret anything.

[ColdNoMore]

As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.

Thank you for a well thought out post.

So refreshing, given the knee-jerk responses...we constantly witness. :ohdear:

[Cheiro]

Always amuses me how folks like to believe what folks want to believe. So, just go on and believe whatever you like. I happen to like the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny; although, the am still making up my mind about Santa Claus. :-)

[pamhobbs]

Florida just experienced a 4000 new cases surge in spite of attempted minipulation downward by gov. The smart thing is to be cautious and follow nonpartisan guidelines until we know we are on the right track back to normalcy.
Thanks n7

[kenoc7]

When will you figure out this is all political!!

It isn't "all" political, it is mostly about threading the needle to keep the death count under 1/4 million. This is all new and this WHO report isn't definitive - it is a scientific theory based on the evidence as they see it at this time. Nothining more, nothing less.

[kenoc7]

Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

Would you rather have millions dead?

[kathy1516]

The WHO is as politically corrupt organization. The musical group WHO is more believable.

[LEE ZIERES]

Try watching a news outlet that shows the vandalism and destruction that was done. The Guard was put in place to keep property from being destroyed. These so called peaceful protests are just a conduit for rioters to pillage small businesses. It's like you got together with a group of friends to create a disturbance while one of you robbed a bank all would be guilty of robbery.

[chewy]

Pick any side of the Covid issue and you can find " studies/research" to support your views. trump has made it very clear he views the W.H.O. as useless. To now quote the WHO to support a view is hypocritical. You can't call them out and then use their statements to support a stance. You can't have it both ways.

[ffresh]

The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

The simple answer is because critical thinking has been destroyed, resulting from generations of public education with a certain political bias/agenda.

“... last month the education press reported the amazing news that, in their ability to think, children schooled at home seem to be five or even ten years ahead of their formally trained peers.”
― John Taylor Gatto, Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

Fred

[Topspinmo]

It isn't "all" political, it is mostly about threading the needle to keep the death count under 1/4 million. This is all new and this WHO report isn't definitive - it is a scientific theory based on the evidence as they see it at this time. Nothining more, nothing less.

OK. I agree, 80% political and 20% science 🧪.

[jsmith99]

It’s not confusing at all. It’s all politically motivated. None of what’s happened in the last three months should’ve happened. The more we find out the more we realize this is true. Stop being confused

Tell that to the families and friends of the 100,000 + who are no longer with us. Oh wait, you probably think that is fake news" right. Unbelievable!

[Dilligas]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
My, 20-20 hindsight is a factual weapon. How could any agency know what the COVID-19 virus would do or not do?....so they responded with a little overkill to keep people like you safer.

[LynneH]

With so much unknown about the spread of COVID-19 (world wide), being conservative and wearing a mask was just prudent. If you are correct about the information from the World Health Organization then wearing a mask was only an inconvenience rather than a big deal.

[justjim]

When will you figure out this is all political!!

Only to some is it political or made political by some. I trust science not what some politicians says trying to get elected. Any new unknown virus has to have “time” in order for science to gather data. I still believe in masks as what has been learned does not change wearing a mask.

[ffresh]

So,
110,000 americans dying so far is political?
Sad

Evidently you are unaware of the following:

If there's a dramatic increase in the number of coronavirus deaths in New York City in the coming days, it likely won't be because conditions worsened in the city, but because of a change in the way deaths are counted.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=video+new+york+explaining+covid+death+counting&atb=v109-5_y&ia=web

This is true almost everywhere, whether you know it or not. No one knows the true number of deaths from Covid and that's a simple fact. They don't even know the number of true deaths from the flu - estimates - go to the CDC web site and verify for yourself. These reporting numbers are either guesstimates or politically-driven stats … period.

Fred :spoken:

[crash]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Might of spoke too soon.

Coronavirus Live Updates: W.H.O. Walks Back Claim That Asymptomatic Transmission is Rare

[Gizemo33]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Everybody stop. It just came across my screen that the WHO has issued a new message stating that the prior message that asymptomatic people generally do not spread COVID-19 was a miss understanding.

I repeat, the WHO just rescinded today's comment About the spread of COVID-19 by a systematic people.

I suggest you all go and look at the latest statement from them.

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The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Everybody stop. It just came across my screen that the WHO has issued a new message stating that the prior message that asymptomatic people generally do not spread COVID-19 was a miss understanding.

I repeat, the WHO just rescinded today's comment About the spread of COVID-19 by a systematic people.

I suggest you all go and look at the latest statement from them.

[WelchNH]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Well, it appears that either the original reporter who did the story or the doctor was originally quoted (Dr Maria Van Kerkhove) was imprecise in her language or the reported did not understand the distinction. This is being widely reproted today, although I had heard the clarification. "Asymptomatic" refers to Covid-19 victims who never experience any symptoms- this was the cohort that the doctor felt was "very rare" of spreading the virus. People who experienced mild symptoms" were definitely at risk of spreading the virus- before their symptoms appeared. Language matters and people in authority have a duty to be precise in their language. As far as wearing masks, I feel it's better to be safe than sorry

[Aloha1]

Florida just experienced a 4000 new cases surge in spite of attempted minipulation downward by gov. The smart thing is to be cautious and follow nonpartisan guidelines until we know we are on the right track back to normalcy.
Thanks n7

Please provide sources and corroboration for this alleged "manipulation". And not just hearsay.

[BarryD]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Less than 24 hours later, WHO convened a special news conference to walk back its comments, stressing that much remains unknown. But the comment from Monday had already spread widely and been seized upon by conservatives and others to bolster arguments that people do not need to wear masks or maintain social distancing precautions.

[Schaumburger]

As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.
Very sensible post...so hoping an effective vaccine will be ready before 18 months.

[Nanny32162]

No one has seen COVID-19 before. The medical profession and scientists are learning as we go along. Medicine is a combination of science and art. Did wearing a mask harm you? I think the masks are a good idea to prevent many common diseases from spreading, especially the common cold. There are far more important things to grumble about than wearing masks.

[ffresh]

For those of you who believe that the published stats on Covid deaths/infected are etched in granite and factual, permit me to provide the following, which is typical of the manner that many states have handled their reporting (for a myriad of reasons - mostly political and financial :icon_wink:)

The Facts: Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, recently stated that, even if it's clear one died of an alternative cause, their death will still be marked as a COVID death.
“If You Die of a Clear Alternative Cause, It’s Still Listed As A COVID Death” – Dr. Ngozi Ezike – Collective Evolution (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/25/if-you-die-of-a-clear-alternative-cause-its-still-listed-as-a-covid-death-illinois-department-of-public-health-director/)

The video of the above is being scrubbed from the internet, as so much that doesn't uphold the narrative but a bit of research will verify this fact!


Fred :spoken:

[Benitacathcarb]

After criticism, WHO clarifies stance on asymptomatic virus transmission (https://apple.news/AvpllVMCzR5auphuxFnBDKw)

“ Less than 24 hours later, WHO convened a special news conference to walk back its comments, stressing that much remains unknown.”



The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

[Curtisbwp]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, d r they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?


Unfortunately people listen to and BELIEVE what they hear from television performers who disguise themselves as "Investagative journalists" very few people look beyon their nose. Two things to look up are 'operation mockingbird' and 'the business plan ala Prescott Bush'

[jimjamuser]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.
The myth is WHY?- when intelligent medical USofA Doctors point out the ambiguousness and confusion caused by the W.H.O. that people reject US Doctors that say to KEEP YOUR MASK ON and stay apart, that the science-deniers beat their chests and say, "I'll believe what I want to believe even if it kills me and you".

[jimjamuser]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Facts ----the graph of Fl. cases is STEEPLY going UP by 1,000 new case/ day. Deaths recently are fairly flat in Fl.

[graciegirl]

Facts ----the graph of Fl. cases is STEEPLY going UP by 1,000 new case/ day. Deaths recently are fairly flat in Fl.

People identified with new cases of Covid-19 have increased by about a thousand cases each of the three prior days, but deaths nationally have fallen under a thousand per day for each of the prior days.

I watch it.

[jimjamuser]

Here is a study published a few days ago that says the opposite, asymptomatic spread is responsible for 40-45% of cases.

One of the more insidious features of the new coronavirus behind COVID-19 is its ability to settle into unsuspecting hosts who never show signs of being sick but are able to spread the virus to others.

In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%.

Nearly Half of COVID-19 Cases May Be Spread Asymptomatically | Time (https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/)
You are driving a good point HOME and a high-quality German piece of machinery HOME -----Vaaarrrrooommmmm!

[jimjamuser]

No one can cheat death, when it’s your time it’s gonna happen!
You can cheat death if you have a stylish Mickey - Mask on.

[lakegage]

Amen to that!

[gadaboutgal]

Florida is definitely trending back up in cases. My opinion: I don't think it's because of more testing. The "curve" really has never straightened or gone down. https://www.wesh.com/article/coronavirus-florida-covid-19/32791789

[jimjamuser]

Ok its just your opinion not to wear a mask - the problem the mask is not for you its for me!

If you happen to be stuck in an elevator and you start sneezing or coughing contaminating the air in this space, what about the other people in the elevator.

What if you have a common flu is it ok with you to spread it to others?

Quit thinking of just yourself, the death count is near accurate!
Nice post and nice pseudo-name!

[jimjamuser]

Here's a situation:

Someone who works at Walmart has allergies - they sneeze and their nose runs during thick humid days and on high-pollen days. They take meds for it, so it's "controlled" but sometimes it just kinda happens, breakthrough symptoms you could call it.

One day, he says "I'm not wearing a mask anymore." Walmart is okay with this and tells him he doesn't have to wear his mask, because you can't trust what WHO says, and everyone knows that it doesn't protect anyone from anything anyway.

So he keeps his mask off.

Two weeks later, there are 1000 new cases of coronavirus confirmed, of which 10 have become full-blown COVID-19 pneumonia, all within a 20 mile radius of this Walmart.

Turns out - this guy WAS infected with coronavirus, but he was asymptomatic. So he had the virus and was spreading it to everyone in the store - thousands and thousands of people, tens of thousands. And all his fellow employees.

Now those 1000 diagnosed coronavirus patients - they are merely the ones who were diagnosed. There are another 20,000 who are now asymptomatic, infected with the virus, spreading it to everyone they know, unaware that they even need to get tested.

This is what happens when you tell people at work they don't need to wear a mask, while they are not showing any symptoms of the virus.

If you need to be in fairly close proximity to thousands of people every day, in an environment with a controlled air ventilation system, you need to be wearing a mask while you're in there. There really is no way around it.
You go Orange Person. That's AMEN to my ears (eyes)!

[jimjamuser]

As a scientist for nearly 50 years, I can tell you that the beginning stage of any research effort is often marked by blind alleys, rethinking of previous results in light of new data, and dealing with naysayers. From the outside, it looks messy and chaotic. From the inside, dealing with the disappointing results of today leads to a new experiment which provides progress for tomorrow. Given the number of labs from around the world who are working on a new vaccine and potential treatments, I am hopeful that we will have a solution in 18 months. Even with that there is a very good chance that the first vaccine will not be as effective as we would all like. This won't mean that the scientists are incompetent but rather that science is a difficult and often frustrating subject.

I am just thankful that I never had the talking heads looking over my shoulder during my career.
Wonderful!! Thank you for your logical post. Keep posting. The US of A needs MORE science and logic, not LESS.

[jimjamuser]

Florida just experienced a 4000 new cases surge in spite of attempted minipulation downward by gov. The smart thing is to be cautious and follow nonpartisan guidelines until we know we are on the right track back to normalcy.
Thanks n7
Cases graph is Rising STEEPLY!

[jimjamuser]

People identified with new cases of Covid-19 have increased by about a thousand cases each of the three prior days, but deaths nationally have fallen under a thousand per day for each of the prior days.

I watch it.
Source-NY Times-----For Fl. not Nationally. I stand by my Post.

[coffeebean]

And how do you distinguish the "asymptomatic" from the "presymptomatic"?

Excellent point. You don't.

[Velvet]

Since we can’t tell the difference between asymptomatic vs presymptomatic ....

[jcrose19337]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.
So which "science" are we to trust and believe in?

The science from the CDC that initially said mask wearing was not needed to prevent transmission of the virus and might even be counterproductive?

Or the later science from when the CDC flip-flopped and said mask wearing was actually needed?

Or the science that said "millions" of Americans would die from COVID-19?

Or how about the science that said New York City didn't have nearly enough hospital beds and the USNS Comfort ship absolutely had to be sent to help with the overburden? It left harbor after only three weeks and treating a whopping 179 patients.

And don't forget the science that Los Angeles mayor Garcetti used to open the beaches in his city but only in the "wet sand" areas and not the "dry sand" areas.(Obvious question: how does a beachgoer get to the wet sand areas without crossing the dry sand areas? A boardwalk? Did he order a city crew to wet down a walking path? Or, what if an individual took a bucket with them and dipped water from the surf in order to create their own private wet sand area? Does the science support that option?)



How about the "science" of common sense? Does anyone still possess it??

[rustyp]

The stock market seems to disagree with the idea that the economy has been destroyed.

1 - the market is still not all the way back. Unless you are an active trader and just the normal let my investments ride "I'm in it for the long term" as we speak you are still at a loss from the high.
2 - Give it till 4th qtr and you will be longing for today

[birdiebill]

There has been a clarification of the W H O statement about asymptomatic transmission. The Q&A is now on the news. Here are two statements from the clarification:

Whether someone is presymptomatic or or simply experiencing very mild symptoms is not of importance to the person on the receiving end of the transmission, said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime adviser to the CDC.
"I thought they were getting very prissy and trying to slice the salami very fine," Schaffner said about WHO's comments on Monday on asymptomatic spread.
"You can be vertical and feel 100% or virtually 100% and going about your daily business and unaware that you're infected and perfectly capable transmitting the virus," Schaffner said. "How do we inhibit transmission of the virus by these people who are doing their full range of normal activities? The answer is social distancing and wearing masks and good hand hygiene and stay away from crowds. That's the formula."

Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of its emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday that "it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual."
But then on Tuesday, during the live Q&A, she clarified "this is a major unknown."
"We do know that some people who are asymptomatic, or some people who don't have symptoms, can transmit the virus on," she said. "So what we need to better understand is how many of the people in the population don't have symptoms and separately how many of those individuals go on to transmit to others."

[ColdNoMore]

1 - the market is still not all the way back. Unless you are an active trader and just the normal let my investments ride "I'm in it for the long term" as we speak you are still at a loss from the high.
2 - Give it till 4th qtr and you will be longing for today

That's what I predict too.

I also predict that once it starts, it will be a torrent...the likes of which we have rarely seen before. :ohdear:

[eyc234]

We have one big issue with not taking as much caution as we can. Once you get the virus and you have to go to the hospital there is a high chance that your loved one(s) or you, may not see each other ever again. For us that is too big a negative. There is nothing more important to me in my life than the beautiful woman I married 38 years ago. The thought of not seeing her again after dropping her at the hospital door, to not be with her through the ordeal, makes me do whatever I have to not be infected. Yes I hate the mask, yes I think the messages on all fronts are conflicting and yes I miss a great draft beer at the bar with a good meal with friends.

[Bogie Shooter]

The World Health Organization said Tuesday that the likelihood of asymptomatic coronavirus carriers to transmit disease was still an open question, tempering remarks made the day before indicating it was rare.
The question hinges on whether people are asymptomatic – that is, infected but without ever exhibiting symptoms – and presymptomatic, which applies to people who have been infected and have not yet manifested illness. The latter are contagious, most experts agree.
The trick is knowing which asymptomatic people will actually turn out to be presymptomatic, WHO scientist Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the organization’s technical lead on the coronavirus pandemic, clarified on Tuesday.

[Dianne1449]

How do you know if you are asymptomatic or presymptomatic? Could be too late.

[collector0915]

I checked into this further (article in USA TODAY) and found that the spokesperson said the observation came from "a small subset of studies" and "unpublished info" in the far East. She concluded by saying it's "a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare." So, where does that leave us? I certainly do not know but I'm going to continue to be cautious by continuing social distancing, washing hands, etc. for now anyway.

[Indydealmaker]

It took only three months to destroy the world's economy? And yet the stock market is at an all time high with around 15% unemployment and half of small business in bankruptcy. Why? And the president literally tried to call out the military ... to quell protests ... and few noticed .... does martial law and the end of Democracy require that we notice? And the stock market is at an all time high? Very confusing.

Today's stock market is not reactive to economic events. Rather, the economy is manipulated by wall street. So, a group of money warriors on wall street get away with legally pumping and dumping stocks to the detriment of the little guys.

[graciegirl]

Source-NY Times-----For Fl. not Nationally. I stand by my Post.

florida covid-19 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=florida+covid-19&cvid=4400c09362e9491fb1c4d480de6b6b70&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=DCTS)

[bpascani]

Not destroyed!!! Coming Back BIG....already, no thanks to the W H O, and you KNOW ...WHO else!!!...

[Jacob85]

Just heard on the news that the latest information about it being rare to catch the virus from someone with no symptoms was taken from a couple of small studies and the woman from the WHO said it was misleading as there is much we don’t know about this virus!

[RoadToad]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Here is what was actually said:
"The World Health Organization is clarifying comments from one of its scientists that have revived the debate over how big a role silent spreaders have played in the pandemic.

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said she was referring to “a small subset of studies” when she called the asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 “very rare” on Monday.

“I used the phrase ‘very rare’ and I think that’s a misunderstanding to state asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare,” Van Kerkhove said today.

Van Kerkhove also said there is confusion over asymptomatic people, those who are infected but never show symptoms, and pre-symptomatic people, individuals who later become sick.

The WHO estimates 16 percent of people are asymptomatic and capable of spreading the virus, but some models show up to 40 percent of global transmission could be attributed to asymptomatic people, Van Kerkhove said.

[Spsmith444]

It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.
So does that mean u do not believe in what WHO is now saying? I’m confused by your comment.

[Spsmith444]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?
Sounds like a good way to screw up the economy to me. And why would the media, politicians, Hollywood want to do that????

[Spikearoni]

When will you figure out this is all political!!

What are you saying? Is this a world-wide conspiracy? Are the deaths fake? Please elucidate.

[allsport]

And they said oops today, we gave out bad information. Wear your mask.

[Ginpappas]

My comment is this is an evolving situation and I don't believe there is a conspiracy to get people to wear masks or hurt the economy or any of the other things the original poster was alluding to... This is a virus, we had one 100 years ago that we know killed between 20 - 40 million people (we don't have an accurate number) and we don't know where it came from (Ft. Knox Kentucky or the battlefield in France) but we know it was bad and it came around more than once. I'm not making my life decisions on any posts on here of on facebook - especially when people don't read the whole WHO report...

[Spikearoni]

Most medical personnel say that masks are bad for you to wear for prolonged periods of time
They say you are breathing in your own bacteria and you are also breathing in your own nitrogen which is harmful to the brain when you are breathing it constantly. It was also reported early last week that you should only wear a mask if treating someone with the virus. Who knows if this information will change next week like everything else but I choose to breathe in oxygen versus my own bacteria or nitrogen.

Does that mean that when a surgeon is performing an 8 hour operation, s/he should remove his/her mask because of the possibility of breathing in too much nitrogen or bacteria? Who is the medical personnel you are referencing that made such a statement?

[Lindsyburnsy]

If this COVID19 is political then why is it that the leaders of the countries that downplayed the virus are now the countries with the most COVID19 cases? Then there are all the cases worldwide. All political? Wear a mask please.

[Jacob85]

Interesting to think about the economy and not the 112,000 people who died

[Lindsyburnsy]

Asymptomatic = not infected person with no symptoms
Presymptomatic = an infected person who has yet to show symptoms.

[EdFNJ]

For those of you who believe that the published stats on Covid deaths/infected are etched in granite and factual, permit me to provide the following, which is typical of the manner that many states have handled their reporting (for a myriad of reasons - mostly political and financial :icon_wink:)

The Facts: Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, recently stated that, even if it's clear one died of an alternative cause, their death will still be marked as a COVID death.
“If You Die of a Clear Alternative Cause, It’s Still Listed As A COVID Death” – Dr. Ngozi Ezike – Collective Evolution (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/25/if-you-die-of-a-clear-alternative-cause-its-still-listed-as-a-covid-death-illinois-department-of-public-health-director/)

The video of the above is being scrubbed from the internet, as so much that doesn't uphold the narrative but a bit of research will verify this fact!


Fred

And that page is clearly labeled "ALTERNATIVE NEWS" closely related to "ALTERNATIVE FACTS" and as it usually is: WRONG. Just search on Google for that statement. FAKE.

Illinois Is Not Inflating Coronavirus Deaths. In Fact, They’re Likely Higher Than Reported, Officials Say – Block Club Chicago (https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/05/12/illinois-is-not-inflating-coronavirus-deaths-in-fact-theyre-likely-higher-than-reported-officials-say/)

Dr. Ngozi Ezike Refutes Notion That Illinois is Over-counting COVID-19 Deaths – NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/dr-ngozi-ezike-refutes-notion-that-illinois-is-over-counting-covid-19-deaths/2270810/)


Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, dismissed claims that the state is overstating the number of coronavirus-related deaths amid the ongoing pandemic, saying that only deaths of patients with laboratory-confirmed cases of the virus are being counted in the official tally.
During her daily press statement Tuesday, Ezike said that she has heard concerns about the methods the state is using to report coronavirus deaths, and assured residents that the state is working to make sure that their counts are as accurate as possible.
“We are reporting those deaths that have laboratory confirmation, meaning that they have been tested and a laboratory test indicates that they were COVID positive,” she said. “As we learn more about the disease, there may have been less typical presentations of COVID-19 that were not appropriately attributed to COVID because there wasn’t a test done because the suspicion was not there.”

[Villagerjjm]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

W.H.O. has retracted the statement as a misprint and amended it to say "it is rare for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus when they are wearing a properly fitted mask which is proven to decrease the amount of infectious aerosol particles in the immediate area surrounding the asymptomatic individual."

In other words: Wear A Mask If You Care !!

[La lamy]

I don't understand how people can still believe that "masks were ineffective anyway". Have you seen any health professionals not wear one in the presence of disease? No right? So there's only one sensible conclusion in my book: they are believed to be effective if properly worn.

[coffeebean]

Asymptomatic = not infected person with no symptoms
Presymptomatic = an infected person who has yet to show symptoms.

This is incorrect.......

Asymptomatic = an infected person with no symptoms

[Rango]

The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Do you have a link to the WHO statement?
Anything that did not come from the CDC is suspect

[Brondrisek]

You don’t know what you don’t know. It would have been much worse if it was the opposite.

[jet10s]

Medical professionals have been double masking for months for hours and hours every day. Their brains haven’t been so effected that they cannot treat their patients. I’m not buying the nitrogen/mask reference.
no such thing -- no instructions are valid to double mask -- professionals are using proper ppe -- ridiculous statement

[jet10s]

I don't understand how people can still believe that "masks were ineffective anyway". Have you seen any health professionals not wear one in the presence of disease? No right? So there's only one sensible conclusion in my book: they are believed to be effective if properly worn.
no wrong -- cotton over you face or other such things will not protect you from disease

[coffeebean]

no wrong -- cotton over you face or other such things will not protect you from disease

Absolutely. Most people are aware of this. However, Americans are requested to wear masks to protect others. The masks block the droplets that contain the virus. To a lesser degree, the wearer of the mask does have some protection.