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This is a great site to help you get things moving for November and beyond.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ofasplashflag/

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Here's one of the parts I love about the "permanent campaign." Just in case you haven't had time to educate yourself about the issues, Organizing for America will actually give members scripted things to say to disrupt a conversation when they call into conservative talk radio shows.

And then members are suppose to report back to the "organization," OFA, with how the disruption went. And if you can't get through on one of the conservative talk shows suggested by Obama, they have a link to "give me another show" to disrupt with the Obama machine's scripts. Beautiful. That's free thinking at it's finest.

http://radio.barackobama.com/

Here's some additional information about the "permanent campaign."


http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ofa_profile_townhall_magazine.pdf

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Hollow democrats play race card all the time.

Republicans-party of individualism.


http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/maureen-dowd-and-the-left-all-race-all-the-time/

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Answer: What you do when you do not know how to lead.

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How did you find fault with my post. I only wanted to pass on a site: You could do the same without making yourself look foolish.

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Hollow democrats play race card all the time.

Republicans-party of individualism.


http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/maureen-dowd-and-the-left-all-race-all-the-time/

Republicans on this site have called Obama everything but the N word and would use that if they thought it would be received OK by their fellow Republicans. Of course not all or even most Republicans are not racist, but given both parties, they are in fact the most racist of the two primary parties. Being white, I constantly hear racial comments about Obama. If you don't agree with this statement, you are stupid or flat out lying. Fortunately, only the same 5 or 6 radicals on this site continue to spew hate.

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Republicans on this site have called Obama everything but the N word and would use that if they thought it would be received OK by their fellow Republicans. Of course not all or even most Republicans are not racist, but given both parties, they are in fact the most racist of the two primary parties. Being white, I constantly hear racial comments about Obama. If you don't agree with this statement, you are stupid or flat out lying. Fortunately, only the same 5 or 6 radicals on this site continue to spew hate.

With statements like these, I question your maturity to post on a political forum.

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Republicans on this site have called Obama everything but the N word and would use that if they thought it would be received OK by their fellow Republicans. Of course not all or even most Republicans are not racist, but given both parties, they are in fact the most racist of the two primary parties. Being white, I constantly hear racial comments about Obama. If you don't agree with this statement, you are stupid or flat out lying. Fortunately, only the same 5 or 6 radicals on this site continue to spew hate.

you truly need help

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Pat and Bucco. Don't be afraid to agree or disagree. I have Republican friends that say they hate it, but know that many republicans are very down on any minority.


MY POINT IS SIMPLY THAT I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PREJUDICE THAN DEMOCRATS.

Agree with it or disagree with it or shut up. Don't change the subject.

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Republicans on this site have called Obama everything but the N word and would use that if they thought it would be received OK by their fellow Republicans. Of course not all or even most Republicans are not racist, but given both parties, they are in fact the most racist of the two primary parties. Being white, I constantly hear racial comments about Obama. If you don't agree with this statement, you are stupid or flat out lying. Fortunately, only the same 5 or 6 radicals on this site continue to spew hate.

You really need to relax. For someone that is enamored with TV you sure don't show it. Relax man.

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Pat and Bucco. Don't be afraid to agree or disagree. I have Republican friends that say they hate it, but know that many republicans are very down on any minority.


MY POINT IS SIMPLY THAT I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PREJUDICE THAN DEMOCRATS.

Agree with it or disagree with it or shut up. Don't change the subject.

I find it repulsive what you are suggesting. You are rude and crude !

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Correct Lou Card about staying on the subject. I posted comments about your original post. I'd like to have a discussion about that subject. What do you say?

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Correct Lou Card. I posted comments about your original post. I'd like to have a discussion about subject. What do you say?

Yes. Where did you post them.

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Lou Card, my post was the first post after your original post. I am fascinated with the Organizing for America organization and would like your comments please. It really is unique and first of its kind in American politics.

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I find it repulsive what you are suggesting. You are rude and crude !

Well bucco, can I that as a Disagree. I agree with you that it is repulsive, but don't think me rude or crude for stating the truth. If you really believe that many Republicans are not prejudice, then you are sadly mistaken. After reading lots of your posts, I think you know that I am right..

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Yes. Where did you post them.

Are you for real?

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Are you for real?

Yes Pat I am. I know that it is an ugly truth, but before we can move beyond the prejudice in this county we must expose it. I am sure there are prejudice Democrats out there, but I know for a fact they are harder to find.

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Democrats: party of race. When are you guys going to get past that like the republican have?

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Lou Card, my post was the first post after your original post. I am fascinated with the Organizing for America organization and would like your comments please. It really is unique and first of its kind in American politics.

I was born at night but not last night. If you want to get me to say something you can ridicule, just ask me. I will tell you straight up how I feel. I am constantly getting my point or subject changed when all I want is a direct up or down vote.

I put out the post on Mark Williams and no one on here was interested in the Tea Party firing one of there own due to his racist remarks. Y'all simply do not want to entertain anything outside your own little talking points. One person even said they never heard of him.

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Democrats: party of race. When are you guys going to get past that like the republican have?

Party of race: Yes we are the party of racial equality and that is what upsets you.

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This morning the Obama website gives a live link to listen to the Focus on the Family Christian radio program. The site encourages callers to phone the program, which focuses on conservative Christian based family values, and make some of the following points on air:

"-It's outrageous that Rep. Joe Barton, the top Republican on the committee overseeing the oil spill and its aftermath, delivered a personal apology to BP -- and that other Republicans echoed his call.
-BP has a responsibility to those whose lives and livelihoods have been devastated by the oil spill. The $20 billion fund is a major victory for the people of the Gulf and a big step toward helping families and businesses get back on their feet and recover from this disaster.
-Rep. Joe Barton and Republicans like him don’t understand that the real tragedy is what’s happening to the people in the Gulf Coast. Instead they are big oil's strongest allies, receiving thousands of dollars in campaign donations from the oil and gas industry. Barton himself has received more than $100,000 from industry this cycle.
-While the Administration continues holding BP’s feet to the fire and oversees efforts to counter the oil spill, the President has said Democrats and Republicans must come together to pass comprehensive energy legislation that ensures this kind of environmental crisis never happens again.
Barton should apologize to the people of the Gulf and he should step down as the highest-ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee. And every other Congressional Republicans should repudiate his comments."


Does anyone else find this strategy interesting?


http://radio.barackobama.com/#

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Okay, so if the airwave campaign isn't interesting, maybe this one from Lou Card's website will get your attention.

"President Obama turns 49 on August 4, and OFA supporters will be sharing in the fun.

Volunteers nationwide will hold birthday parties and use the occasion to recruit new OFA volunteers. Each new volunteer will help get more first-time 2008 voters back to the polls in November. And with so much more on our agenda, and tight races from Florida to Alaska, we don't have a moment to lose.

Use the map below to find a President’s Birthday Event near you."




http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/bdayevents?source=HQB

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This morning the Obama website gives a live link to listen to the Focus on the Family Christian radio program. The site encourages callers to phone the program, which focuses on conservative Christian based family values, and make some of the following points on air:

"-It's outrageous that Rep. Joe Barton, the top Republican on the committee overseeing the oil spill and its aftermath, delivered a personal apology to BP -- and that other Republicans echoed his call.
-BP has a responsibility to those whose lives and livelihoods have been devastated by the oil spill. The $20 billion fund is a major victory for the people of the Gulf and a big step toward helping families and businesses get back on their feet and recover from this disaster.
-Rep. Joe Barton and Republicans like him don’t understand that the real tragedy is what’s happening to the people in the Gulf Coast. Instead they are big oil's strongest allies, receiving thousands of dollars in campaign donations from the oil and gas industry. Barton himself has received more than $100,000 from industry this cycle.
-While the Administration continues holding BP’s feet to the fire and oversees efforts to counter the oil spill, the President has said Democrats and Republicans must come together to pass comprehensive energy legislation that ensures this kind of environmental crisis never happens again.
Barton should apologize to the people of the Gulf and he should step down as the highest-ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee. And every other Congressional Republicans should repudiate his comments."


Does anyone else find this strategy interesting?


http://radio.barackobama.com/#

I don't see anything wrong with this post at all.

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Republicans on this site have called Obama everything but the N word and would use that if they thought it would be received OK by their fellow Republicans. Of course not all or even most Republicans are not racist, but given both parties, they are in fact the most racist of the two primary parties. Being white, I constantly hear racial comments about Obama. If you don't agree with this statement, you are stupid or flat out lying. Fortunately, only the same 5 or 6 radicals on this site continue to spew hate.

If you are hearing all that racism you are hanging with too many liberals.

BTW, good Saul Alinsky tactics. I forget which rule but I bet you didn't.

Yoda

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I couldn't agree with you more Loucard....But it is an uphill climb to post on TOTV....

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To those of you who are posting on this forum and calling people RACISTS !!!

That is a very serious charge, not to be taken lightly !

PLEASE copy and paste those comments made on this forum from whatever date that you used to come to this conclusion that we on here are racist !

In the interest of common decency, please post whatever information you have to substantiate your very serious charges !

If you cant or wont do this, you are simply race baiting, and there are not many more serious charges that could be used against you.

Political debate is fine and a good thing.....bringing race into this area where it has never been is deplorable.

You cannot just SAY THINGS. YOU are responsible for your words !

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Party of race: Yes we are the party of racial equality and that is what upsets you.


Oh.....really? Lou, perhaps you will share your unbiased insight into this recent revelation from one of your own Democratic loyals.

Mary Frances Berry, is the former chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. She was appointed by Bill Clinton. She also has the distinction of being a past president of the Organization of American Historians. That organization is the leading professional organization for historians of the United States.

Lou, her remarks are on our topic and very revealing. She said,

“Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.”

R. Dozier Gray, a member of the conservative black group Project 21 put it in a statement about Berry’s remarks:

“This willful and purposeful use of the race card for nothing more than political gain is toxic to race relations, and Mary Frances Berry must know that. But she evidently does not care. Based on her comment, political posturing takes primacy over whatever real issues regarding race that she might pretend are her calling cards. I have seen this all before. I find it shameful.”

.....and the Democratic party's exploitation of race and black Americans continues........cabo35

Read more at the Washington Examiner..... if of course you can tolerate opinions other than the hardened dogma and party talking points you apparently subscribe to:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/mary-frances-berry-racism-charges-against-tea-party-an-effective-strategy-99579434.html#ixzz0vSRvSk3F
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Gee....I almost forgot how much fun this forum can be. I do miss the Great Fumar though.

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If you are hearing all that racism you are hanging with too many liberals.

BTW, good Saul Alinsky tactics. I forget which rule but I bet you didn't.

Yoda

Wrong Yoda. I repeat what I said just for you.

REPUBLICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PREJUDICE THAN DEMOCRATS.

No judgment here, just stating what most people in this country knows.

Don't make it into something it is not. Just a Fact.

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Oh.....really? Lou, perhaps you will share your unbiased insight into this recent revelation from one of your own Democratic loyals.

Mary Frances Berry, is the former chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. She was appointed by Bill Clinton. She also has the distinction of being a past president of the Organization of American Historians. That organization is the leading professional organization for historians of the United States.

Lou, her remarks are on our topic and very revealing. She said,

“Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.”

R. Dozier Gray, a member of the conservative black group Project 21 put it in a statement about Berry’s remarks:

“This willful and purposeful use of the race card for nothing more than political gain is toxic to race relations, and Mary Frances Berry must know that. But she evidently does not care. Based on her comment, political posturing takes primacy over whatever real issues regarding race that she might pretend are her calling cards. I have seen this all before. I find it shameful.”

.....and the Democratic party's exploitation of race and black Americans continues........cabo35

Read more at the Washington Examiner..... if of course you can tolerate opinions other than the hardened dogma and party talking points you apparently subscribe to:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/mary-frances-berry-racism-charges-against-tea-party-an-effective-strategy-99579434.html#ixzz0vSRvSk3F
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Gee....I almost forgot how much fun this forum can be. I do miss the Great Fumar though.

Thank you for supporting my opinion with this information.

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To those of you who are posting on this forum and calling people RACISTS !!!

That is a very serious charge, not to be taken lightly !

PLEASE copy and paste those comments made on this forum from whatever date that you used to come to this conclusion that we on here are racist !

In the interest of common decency, please post whatever information you have to substantiate your very serious charges !

If you cant or wont do this, you are simply race baiting, and there are not many more serious charges that could be used against you.

Political debate is fine and a good thing.....bringing race into this area where it has never been is deplorable.

You cannot just SAY THINGS. YOU are responsible for your words !

Sorry Bucco, but you know who you are without me pointing it out. I will also repeat for you since you missed my point by a mile.

REPUBLICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PREJUDICED THAN DEMOCRATS.

Try to read that without adding your own twist. Keep it simple as I meant the post to be. If anyone on this site thinks I called them a racist, I am sorry, but I did not.

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Wrong Yoda. I repeat what I said just for you.

REPUBLICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PREJUDICE THAN DEMOCRATS.

No judgment here, just stating what most people in this country knows.

Don't make it into something it is not. Just a Fact.

Proof?

Yoda

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It's just part of their MO Yoda in this new information age. They are working to get their Progressive agenda that will change America to socialist passed and all the facts or discussions be damned.

The powers that be hold conferences, like the Netroots Nation conference recently held in Nevada. These are Obama's ground troops. They teach how to disrupt and keep the focus off facts, from the bottom up. They teach how to attach themselves to sites like this, make calls to conservative radio stations, disrupt town hall meetings, put signage on freeways, tweeter and tweat and turn everything around and make anyone who questions anything they say or do look like a racist and elitist who hates babies, the elderly, the military and poor people.

The amazing thing to me is how people fall for their tactics and are sheep in their organization without thinking for themselves.

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Don't feed the TROLLS

Yoda

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Thank you for supporting my opinion with this information.

....so Lou....you agree with the clearly stated assertion in my post that........"the Democratic party's exploitation of race and black Americans continues"........cabo35

Hmmmm......something seems illogical and inconsistent about your response. You clearly said, "Yes we are the party of racial equality" Can racial equality coexist with racial exploitation?

Perhaps you are just ducking an engagement on the issues and points cited in the context of the Berry/Gray post. Perhaps some of your like minded supporters would like to engage in healthy debate and dialog on point.

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Proof?

Yoda

Proof: Yoda, this is not rocket science. The Sun is the source of the Heat on earth. No need for further discussion on that topic.

Republicans are more likely to be prejudice than Democrats.

That statement is as obvious as the sun comment. No need for any analysis of the facts of the obvious. If you can't admit at least to yourself that this is a true statement, then you and I have nothing to discuss. If; however, you step up to the plate with honesty, then we can go forward. Are you getting any of my intent here? I have no animosity toward Republicans for their views, just don't agree with them. Most people that are prejudice have something in their past that caused it. I wish everyone could work past it, but I am not here to call them out.

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....so Lou....you agree with the clearly stated assertion in my post that........"the Democratic party's exploitation of race and black Americans continues"........cabo35

Hmmmm......something seems illogical and inconsistent about your response. You clearly said, "Yes we are the party of racial equality" Can racial equality coexist with racial exploitation?

Perhaps you are just ducking an engagement on the issues and points cited in the context of the Berry/Gray post. Perhaps some of your like minded supporters would like to engage in healthy debate and dialogue on point.

I think you should re-read your own cut and paste. Your twist has a few knots in it.

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It's just part of their MO Yoda in this new information age. They are working to get their Progressive agenda that will change America to socialist passed and all the facts or discussions be damned.

The powers that be hold conferences, like the Netroots Nation conference recently held in Nevada. These are Obama's ground troops. They teach how to disrupt and keep the focus off facts, from the bottom up. They teach how to attach themselves to sites like this, make calls to conservative radio stations, disrupt town hall meetings, put signage on freeways, tweeter and tweat and turn everything around and make anyone who questions anything they say or do look like a racist and elitist who hates babies, the elderly, the military and poor people.

The amazing thing to me is how people fall for their tactics and are sheep in their organization without thinking for themselves.

Tactic: You should talk. You have posted 4 times to this string with the attempt to hijack the post into something entirely different than it started.

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I have stayed on-point with my posts trying to discuss your post about the progressive Organizing for America group. It is useless.

But you know Lou Card, you may have a point with the racist thing. You said you voted Republican for 40 years before turning Democrat during the last national election. If others like you in the Rupublican Party would follow your suit and get out, the Republican Party could rid themselves of all racists.

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Eliminate the four (always in there) posters that use agitation rather than discussion and this post could have been beneficial to many. Now, its just a group of radicals trying their best to get me to say something they can use against me. No merit to that at all.

I could post that God is great and I would be slammed for that.

How can I be removed 100% from this TOTV site?

I want to go out and come back in as a good Republican just to show that it is possible.

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I have stayed on-point with my posts trying to discuss your post about the progressive Organizing for America group. It is useless.

But you know Lou Card, you may have a point with the racist thing. You said you voted Republican for 40 years before turning Democrat during the last national election. If others like you in the Rupublican Party would follow your suit and get out, the Republican Party could rid themselves of all racists.

very funny, but as usual sarcastic with not real meaning. The fact that I am in here defending racial equality is one primary reason you want me gone.

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I think you should re-read your own cut and paste. Your twist has a few knots in it.

The cut and paste was necessary to specifically cite the hypocrisy of the party you defend. Nothing is so damning as one's own words. You must have missed the part that was punctuated with my personal debatable observations.

Perhaps you would like to meaningfully explain your somewhat bizarre, immature, hip shot response. It seems to be devoid of relevancy to anything but your own imagination. Than again, I know how difficult it must be to defend the indefensible.

Vague, abstract wisecracks instead of empirical research, honest debate and response are so much easier. That tactic is often used by trolls and the clueless. I do knot believe you are clueless.

OOPS....I have lapsed into responding in kind. Sorry.

Off to my tee time.....catch you on the rebound.

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I am out of here also. Y'all think I am an idiot no matter what I bring up. No point in going on. I will just stay on the non-Political issues since there are no Democrats that will post on this site for me to identify with anyway.

I am truly sorry if I offended anyone. That is not my intent. When I read some of your posts I don't think clear when I finish pounding my head against the wall. No need for reply as I will be gone. Its been interesting, but not helpful to either side of the debates we have had. I have my email set to accept anyone if you need to chew on me one more time. I will respond to anyone individually in that manner, but no longer on this site.


Take this as its intended, Part apology for misunderstandings and for irreconcilable differences. I do thank the one or two that agreed with me.

Bye
Lou Card

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What is this, your 3rd goodbye? Come back when you have some ammunition. BK gave some good links. Maybe you should do some studying.

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He said he'd come back with another identity and pose as a Republican on this forum. Lou Card has said it more than once you need to read his posts slowly and deliberately. The last time he "left" he laughingly said, "Thanks for all the laughs and try to understand just how simple minded you were to let a good ole boy like myself upset you."

Just like Obama, he isn't hiding what he is doing. You just have to read to understand.

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He said he'd come back with another identity and pose as a Republican on this forum. Lou Card has said it more than once you need to read his posts slowly and deliberately. The last time he "left" he laughingly said, "Thanks for all the laughs and try to understand just how simple minded you were to let a good ole boy like myself upset you."

Just like Obama, he isn't hiding what he is doing. You just have to read to understand.

I guess if we continue to feed the trolls, we deserve to be called "simple minded":jester:

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I'm sorry, Pats2010, for repeating such a hateful comment by Lou Card. Maybe I shouldn't have repeated it here. I just think awareness is important. I didn't intend to add insult to injury.

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I'm sorry, Pats2010, for repeating such a hateful comment by Lou Card. Maybe I shouldn't have repeated it here. I just think awareness is important. I didn't intend to add insult to injury.

No problem bk. I know you only repeated it to show Lou Card's intent. It is a shame that he insulted the good people here. It seems that he does not read the links that are provided otherwise he would not have had to resort to name calling.

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Eliminate the four (always in there) posters that use agitation rather than discussion and this post could have been beneficial to many. Now, its just a group of radicals trying their best to get me to say something they can use against me. No merit to that at all.

I could post that God is great and I would be slammed for that.

How can I be removed 100% from this TOTV site?

I want to go out and come back in as a good Republican just to show that it is possible.

You could start by moving to TV.

Yoda