George Lloyd Funeral

[600th Photo Sq]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.

[Ginpappas]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook. A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

[Topspinmo]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.


Agreed!

don't forget the carpetbagger's that was on display.

[anothersteve]

A media spectical.
Steve

[zonerboy]

The music and singing was good.

[ColdNoMore]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.

I didn't watch the funeral...so have no comment on it.

For sure though, the intentional murder of anyone...is a tragedy where justice should prevail.

I believe that whomever killed Dorn, should get the same sentence (life in prison) as the white supremacist who killed the woman and injured a bunch of others with his car...during the peaceful Charlottesville protests.

What makes Floyd's death a point of contention, is the fact that he was murdered by someone who is paid with taxpayer money..."to protect & serve."

[ColdNoMore]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting.

I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change.

Just another opinion.

:agree:

Only time will tell and since any real changes will have to come from people's hearts and recognition of prejudices...I'm not real optimistic. :ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

Certainly the cop should be sent to prison and others who commit crimes against citizens should also.

I have a problem with all of the people instead of peasably protesting decided to take it upon themselves to loot and destroy. And the outside troublemakers who incited this.

[manaboutown]

Funeral of a porn actor and drug hyped up career criminal ex-con violent felon who held a gun on a pregnant woman during a home invasion robbery who died at the hands of a cop who kneeled on his neck too long while three other cops did not stop it.

[billethkid]

If the Special interest groups want to make a spectacle that's fine.

But for the media to cover it as though it was a dignitary of lofty proportions......was more than over the top.

Angel wings and halo. The ultimate symbol to top off the over the top-ness!!

Undeserved/unreal!

[ColdNoMore]

When I see something on TV that I don't like...I just use a handy little device like this one.

You can buy them in lots of places...even from the interwebz. :ho:

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Certainly the cop should be sent to prison and others who commit crimes against citizens should also.

I have a problem with all of the people instead of peasably protesting decided to take it upon themselves to loot and destroy. And the outside troublemakers who incited this.

But that has nothing to do with George Floyd's funeral. There was no looting and destruction at the funeral. And George Floyd didn't order any looting or destruction, he was a little too busy being dead at the time all that started, following his murder.

This topic, this thread: George Floyd's funeral

[Chatbrat]

IMHO--George Floyd's funeral rivaled the funerals of JFK & MLK as far as multi state venues & media coverage-- REALLY !!!!!

[Two Bills]

With all this over the top reaction from the media, continued protest and destruction of property, and the farce of practically a state funeral for George Floyd.
I would hazard a guess, that rather than unite, it is driving a bigger wedge between the racial and political divide in the US. and by continuing, the protest is defeating its own objective.
One only has to read on this board the distance of opinion between the posters to see how wide that divide is, if reflected across the whole country.

[Pmelo]

Was it really?

[retiredguy123]

Some people say that funerals are for the living. I think that the focus and elaborateness of a funeral should reflect on the impact that a person's life had on the people he knew and interacted with while he was alive. But, I doubt that many of the people who attended and/or watched the funeral even knew George Floyd. So, in that sense, the funeral missed the mark.

[golfing eagles]

Some people say that funerals are for the living. I think that the focus and elaborateness of a funeral should reflect on the impact that a person's life had on the people he knew and interacted with while he was alive. But, I doubt that many of the people who attended and/or watched the funeral even knew George Floyd. So, in that sense, the funeral missed the mark.

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[Doc Akron]

People have choices. Those who did not want to watch have the freedom to change the channel!

[Love2Swim]

Some people say that funerals are for the living. I think that the focus and elaborateness of a funeral should reflect on the impact that a person's life had on the people he knew and interacted with while he was alive. But, I doubt that many of the people who attended and/or watched the funeral even knew George Floyd. So, in that sense, the funeral missed the mark.

I agree that funerals are for the living. And in that sense, the funeral was befitting as it honored a man who was senselessly murdered but whose murder has opened our eyes to the continuing racial injustice that has occurred for generations in this country. His murder has been a call for change. Thousands and thousands of people are protesting all across the country as well as in other countries against police brutality and institutionalized racism. It is a reminder that we cannot continue down this path. Police reforms are necessary. Law enforcement must meet basic standards of honor and decency. In this case, and in many others that have been documented involving people of color, those standards have not been met, and that needs to change. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call for our young people, because they are the ones that will need to vote and enact change, not entitled old white people.

[golfing eagles]

I agree that funerals are for the living. And in that sense, the funeral was befitting as it honored a man who was senselessly murdered but whose murder has opened our eyes to the continuing racial injustice that has occurred for generations in this country. His murder has been a call for change. Thousands and thousands of people are protesting all across the country as well as in other countries against police brutality and institutionalized racism. It is a reminder that we cannot continue down this path. Police reforms are necessary. Law enforcement must meet basic standards of honor and decency. In this case, and in many others that have been documented involving people of color, those standards have not been met, and that needs to change. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call for our young people, because they are the ones that will need to vote and enact change, not entitled old white people.

Yep, why not "honor" all career violent criminals? Why not portray all of them with wings and a halo? Disgusting!
There is no excuse for the excessive force used, but all George had to do was COMPLY WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF LEOs, as we all are required BY LAW to do.

Why wasn't Rodney King, or Michael Brown, or Eric Garner given the same "honor". Why wasn't there talk of defunding and dismantling police force at those times?

But for all those who are happy with the way this criminal was "honored" with an elaborate funeral, just ask yourself just WHO PAID FOR IT? Probably the same people who paid to bus in "peaceful protesters" to the riots and looting

[smacquart]

I think you missed the point.

[crash]

IMHO--George Floyd's funeral rivaled the funerals of JFK & MLK as far as multi state venues & media coverage-- REALLY !!!!!

My thoughts exactly but hey what ever sells.

[karostay]

Did Reverend Al Sharpton mention David Dorn ? Bet Not

[coalminer]

You forgot to mention that the thug cop that murdered him had 18 complaints filed against him, but was still on the job.

[retiredguy123]

I agree that funerals are for the living. And in that sense, the funeral was befitting as it honored a man who was senselessly murdered but whose murder has opened our eyes to the continuing racial injustice that has occurred for generations in this country. His murder has been a call for change. Thousands and thousands of people are protesting all across the country as well as in other countries against police brutality and institutionalized racism. It is a reminder that we cannot continue down this path. Police reforms are necessary. Law enforcement must meet basic standards of honor and decency. In this case, and in many others that have been documented involving people of color, those standards have not been met, and that needs to change. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call for our young people, because they are the ones that will need to vote and enact change, not entitled old white people.
Well, in my opinion, they hijacked a man's funeral, not to honor the man, but to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with George Floyd as an individual. A funeral is supposed to be about the person who died, not how he died.

[smacquart]

Chauvin himself had 18 violations on his police record for other violent acts he’d comment while on duty. Please read both side before you condem

[crash]

Yep, why not "honor" all career violent criminals? Why not portray all of them with wings and a halo? Disgusting!
There is no excuse for the excessive force used, but all George had to do was COMPLY WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF LEOs, as we all are required BY LAW to do.

Why wasn't Rodney King, or Michael Brown, or Eric Garner given the same "honor". Why wasn't there talk of defunding and dismantling police force at those times?

But for all those who are happy with the way this criminal was "honored" with an elaborate funeral, just ask yourself just WHO PAID FOR IT? Probably the same people who paid to bus in "peaceful protesters" to the riots and looting

Floyd Mayweather paid for it, don’t think he bussed in anybody to riot though.

[smacquart]

Yes! People please check out Chauvin’s police record before before condemning George Floyd.

[Girlcopper]

When I see something on TV that I don't like...I just use a handy little device like this one.

You can buy them in lots of places...even from the interwebz. :ho:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WKcAAOSw1bFer5~3/s-l640.jpg
Yeah and try finding one channel that wasnt streaming this garbage. What was it......4 funerals.....processions......huge photos with angel wings......gold trimmed casket......people saluting in the streets. A little over the top

[debiss]

So many hypocrites! Sad situation on both ends.

[camaguey48]

These four officers should never been allowed to hold a paper clip, let alone a gun. I support the good police officers and I tell them every chance I get.

[njkonczal@gmail.com]

What’s on my mind?

If Floyd hadn’t received a plea deal only serving 5 years in prison (2009) for a first degree felony (normally 20 year sentence), he would still be “in prison”, STILL ALIVE AND ALL THE MAYHEM THAN ENSUED FROM HIS CHOICE TO HAND A COUNTERFEIT BILL TO A STORE OWNER WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!

[Swoop]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.
Were you equally outraged when Tony Timpa was murdered?

[Denvercane]

7 career people were murdered that day. One was a career criminal and six were career police officers. Can you name them.? Pelosi calls one of the a martyr and kneels down before him. Six died protecting people, one died robbing people, all dead, all murdered. Why does one deserve so much more than the other six? Was his life more important, was he a better citizen.? This country is upside down and people aren't going to like the future that is being formed. Trouble and termoil are in the future. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting are going to become a way of life. If you want something, kill and take it.

[Byte1]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

The procedure taught to most officers of the law when making apprehensions of violent individuals is to get the resisting suspect onto the ground and restrain him while handcuffing him, or limiting his violence. It is for the safety of the officers and the suspect. All of the officers had it right, according to what I saw EXCEPT the one kneeling on Floyd's neck. That was improper but not necessarily a criminal act. To label this a murder, there has to be intent to deprive one of their life. I have not seen any evidence YET to suggest that there was any intent other than making an arrest. To label a person performing his duty, regardless of the procedure and with no indication YET that there was evil intent, is doing exactly what accusers have been doing for days, trying the officers and judging the officers in the public arena without a trial. Many suggest that Floyd was judged and executed without a trial, and yet they do the same with the police.

Interesting point that I would like to spotlight: Floyd's brother said that he watched his brother growing up and learned how NOT to act and what not to do. I guess to some, that makes Floyd a good example for his brother. To some of us, it was a shame that he did not get his day in court AGAIN. I do know for a fact that he would not have died during his arrest if he had not given any reason to be arrested. Likely as not, he would still either be dead or on his way to end his life via his lifestyle. Anyone making a martyr out of him is simply making a ridiculous fool of themselves. He was a criminal and a thug. And before one criticizes me for using the term "thug" let me assure you that I did so purposely, and I do not care if that offends some sensitive folks that I consider to be disingenuous. I never claimed to be PC and to be quite clear, I am too old to institute PC into my lifestyle now. If that offends someone, that is their problem. What some find offensive, I find funny. That is why I am happier than them.

[Ginpappas]

Were you equally outraged when Tony Timpa was murdered? I just read about Tony Timpa - I didn't know about him and there is no video showing him being murdered in broad daylight by a man who believed there would be no consequences. I don't know how Tony Timpa died in police custody - I do know that Chauvin is not the only corrupt cop in America so it wouldn't surprise me if a police officer had something to do with Tony Timpa's death... Your question makes me wonder if you think I'm not outraged about Tony because he was white? And the answer is yes, I'm outraged every time someone dies at the hands of those who should be "serving and protecting"

[Swoop]

I agree that funerals are for the living. And in that sense, the funeral was befitting as it honored a man who was senselessly murdered but whose murder has opened our eyes to the continuing racial injustice that has occurred for generations in this country. His murder has been a call for change. Thousands and thousands of people are protesting all across the country as well as in other countries against police brutality and institutionalized racism. It is a reminder that we cannot continue down this path. Police reforms are necessary. Law enforcement must meet basic standards of honor and decency. In this case, and in many others that have been documented involving people of color, those standards have not been met, and that needs to change. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call for our young people, because they are the ones that will need to vote and enact change, not entitled old white people.
If a black man is killed by a cop, it’s police brutality, it’s institutional racism, it’s systematic racism or any other divisive term you choose. If a white man is killed, you and the media ignore it because it doesn’t fit your agenda.

[Swoop]

I just read about Tony Timpa - I didn't know about him and there is no video showing him being murdered in broad daylight by a man who believed there would be no consequences. I don't know how Tony Timpa died in police custody - I do know that Chauvin is not the only corrupt cop in America so it wouldn't surprise me if a police officer had something to do with Tony Timpa's death... Your question makes me wonder if you think I'm not outraged about Tony because he was white? And the answer is yes, I'm outraged every time someone dies at the hands of those who should be "serving and protecting"
There is absolutely a video. A cop kneeled on his neck for over ten minutes and after he was lifeless, they joked about possibility killing him. The reason you haven’t seen the video before, is that no national news networks picked up the story, because it didn’t fit their narrative.
Dallas Police body cameras show moment Tony Timpa stopped breathing - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0)

[Byte1]

What’s on my mind?

If Floyd hadn’t received a plea deal only serving 5 years in prison (2009) for a first degree felony (normally 20 year sentence), he would still be “in prison”, STILL ALIVE AND ALL THE MAYHEM THAN ENSUED FROM HIS CHOICE TO HAND A COUNTERFEIT BILL TO A STORE OWNER WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!

I agree. It is the lenient court system that caused this man to die, because if they would have kept him incarcerated, he would still be alive and a continuing burden on the taxpayer. But, even in his death he has continued to spread misery. Business owners and property owners have lost millions and some have been injured or killed due to the results of this guy's lifestyle. The only ones benefiting from his death will probably be his family and their lawyers that will undoubtedly make big money out of exploiting it.

[Byte1]

I agree that funerals are for the living. And in that sense, the funeral was befitting as it honored a man who was senselessly murdered but whose murder has opened our eyes to the continuing racial injustice that has occurred for generations in this country. His murder has been a call for change. Thousands and thousands of people are protesting all across the country as well as in other countries against police brutality and institutionalized racism. It is a reminder that we cannot continue down this path. Police reforms are necessary. Law enforcement must meet basic standards of honor and decency. In this case, and in many others that have been documented involving people of color, those standards have not been met, and that needs to change. I'm hoping this is a wakeup call for our young people, because they are the ones that will need to vote and enact change, not entitled old white people.

Other than the perp being black and two of the four officers being white, I did not see anything to indicate that this was related to anyone being "racist." I guess some folks wish to conclude this without evidence, in order to further their narrative, but saying something does not make it fact.
Please define "entitled old white people" for me, if you don't mind. I am curious to see if I know any of them.

[jerseyjoy]

It reminded me of Princess Diana's funeral.

[cmbrown915@gmail.com]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.
Thanks for your clear and wise comment.

[Byte1]

Yes! People please check out Chauvin’s police record before before condemning George Floyd.

Even though the officer's record may have something to do with answering questions about how heavy handed he is with suspects, that does not change or affect Floyd's criminality or his record. Floyd obviously "condemned" himself.

[Byte1]

If the Special interest groups want to make a spectacle that's fine.

But for the media to cover it as though it was a dignitary of lofty proportions......was more than over the top.

Angel wings and halo. The ultimate symbol to top off the over the top-ness!!

Undeserved/unreal!

I am disappointed that FOX cable broadcasted the funeral of the thug. When I was flipping the channel for some entertainment to view, I hesitated on FOX thinking that some important politician had passed and was being honored. What a joke! Bet Capt Dorn's funeral will not be televised. I can understand when the liberal media makes a big deal out of this pathetic exploitation, but FOX? Unbelievable!

[jbrown132]

Some people say that funerals are for the living. I think that the focus and elaborateness of a funeral should reflect on the impact that a person's life had on the people he knew and interacted with while he was alive. But, I doubt that many of the people who attended and/or watched the funeral even knew George Floyd. So, in that sense, the funeral missed the mark.
Wonder you paid for it. May tell us a lot.

[Ginpappas]

There is absolutely a video. A cop kneeled on his neck for over ten minutes and after he was lifeless, they joked about possibility killing him. The reason you haven’t seen the video before, is that no national news networks picked up the story, because it didn’t fit their narrative.
Dallas Police body cameras show moment Tony Timpa stopped breathing - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0) So I watched the video and yes, I'm outraged at the total lack of compassion and humanity from these police officers.

[Bay Kid]

I thought it was the funeral for President Kennedy. Only in America can a thug, druggy felon be treated like the leader of the world. Where will they put his statue? Will they will be naming schools after him?

[VillageLiberal]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.

Drama? I guess you never attended many Irish Catholic funerals then.

[ffresh]

When I see something on TV that I don't like...I just use a handy little device like this one.

You can buy them in lots of places...even from the interwebz. :ho:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WKcAAOSw1bFer5~3/s-l640.jpg

Oh, thanks … which button do you press to eliminate expensive funerals for thugs, again? It's been a while since I've used one of these :ohdear:

Fred

[Swoop]

So I watched the video and yes, I'm outraged at the total lack of compassion and humanity from these police officers.
So why didn’t that story make the national news? Why didn’t the national networks pick up that story? Because it doesn’t fit their narrative of racism & and disproportionate police brutality against blacks. Two things the media want to promote, because it gets them ratings. But if you take the time to look at the actual statistics you will see that it is a false narrative.

[graciegirl]

But that has nothing to do with George Floyd's funeral. There was no looting and destruction at the funeral. And George Floyd didn't order any looting or destruction, he was a little too busy being dead at the time all that started, following his murder.

This topic, this thread: George Floyd's funeral

I often wonder how the pregnant woman who was robbed with the gun pointing at her stomach feels. I wonder what she would say? I wonder if she is still frightened? I would like to know more about what happened that day, but the archives online have been "cleaned". I could not even find George Floyd's mugshots.

It doesn't have anything to do with George Floyd's funeral as stated above, but he was honored as a hero and the truth is that no one would want their son or daughter to have four felonies and to serve time for each of them.

Certainly, ethical people can see that causing death during an arrest is a horrible thing, but I would like to see the tapes of exactly why the ruckus in the car and the other ones too blocked out. I wonder if we will ever know if he possibly did have intoxicants that were lethal. The knee on neck is used with justification, I think, on people who will not allow themselves to be restrained. Sometimes they continue fighting even with handcuffs. They struggle to their knees and kick and writhe. Especially those high on some drugs. I can't see that this incident was racist. The knee on neck is used with all those resisting arrest violently. It is used a lot and hasn't stopped the passage of air to the lungs or caused a person to stop breathing in thousands and thousands of usage. I am just trying to be fair but I know I will be viewed as racist. I hope I am not.

[Juliebythesea]

Thank you for your eloquent reply, I would not have been so nice. His criminal record means nothing, he was murdered by that policeman, period.
We must stop the needless killing of black and brown people, if we don't, what we see now will continue.

[Guitarman1951]

If they are actually stupid enough to de-fund the police, the murder and mayhem will result in many more being killed by soldiers as they try to get control back. Same will happen if they handcuff the police too much with restrictions. I really don't know why anyone would want to be a cop in this madness.

[ColdNoMore]

Oh, thanks … which button do you press to eliminate expensive funerals for thugs, again? It's been a while since I've used one of these :ohdear:

Fred

Any single one of them...that changes the channel of course. :ho:

It's hard to even comprehend the vitriol/anger/hatred/whining, coming from those that didn't pay a cent for the funeral...and could have easily avoided watching it. :oops:

Well, not TOTALLY incomprehensible...I guess. :ohdear:

[WesMan]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.
Agree!!!!!!!!!

[Cheiro]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

Here, Here!! Elequent reply and a great synopsys of the event. Congratulations.
It is only unfortunate that those who become upset at a White death, cannot seem to bring themselves to be equally so over a Black death.
All deaths are tragic.

[VillageLiberal]

What’s on my mind?

If Floyd hadn’t received a plea deal only serving 5 years in prison (2009) for a first degree felony (normally 20 year sentence), he would still be “in prison”, STILL ALIVE AND ALL THE MAYHEM THAN ENSUED FROM HIS CHOICE TO HAND A COUNTERFEIT BILL TO A STORE OWNER WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!

If the British had just controlled the Colonist a little better, or the Colonist had peacefully protested we'd still be living in British territory.

[UpNorth]

Floyd didn't deserve to die in the way he did, and neither did he deserve the adoration and funeral that he got. A made for media even that proves Black Lies Matter. Shame on our leaders for kneeling down and refusing to take a stand against this political nonsense.

[CWGUY]

So I watched the video and yes, I'm outraged at the total lack of compassion and humanity from these police officers.

:ohdear: You're a little late.....it happened last year. What the hell let's go out today and express our outrage. I could use a new pair of sneakers..... maybe you need a new T.V. :rolleyes:

[ColdNoMore]

If the British had just controlled the Colonist a little better, or the Colonist had peacefully protested we'd still be living in British territory.

TRUTH! :thumbup:

[allsport]

Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.

[Topspinmo]

When I see something on TV that I don't like...I just use a handy little device like this one.

You can buy them in lots of places...even from the interwebz. :ho:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WKcAAOSw1bFer5~3/s-l640.jpg

when I read post I don't like I just ignore it. Try it sometimes. :popcorn:

[Rich42]

And how did that "poor" family pay for that extravagant GOLD coffin?

[Dust Bunny]

Defunding he police is not he solution. ANARCHY will follow and IS NO SOLUTION AT ALL.

[billethkid]

And how did that "poor" family pay for that extravagant GOLD coffin?

I was wondering when this would come up.

I would be interested to see the final tab for the entire funeral and who paid for it.

A good follow the money project.

[Hogfan55]

With all this over the top reaction from the media, continued protest and destruction of property, and the farce of practically a state funeral for George Floyd.
I would hazard a guess, that rather than unite, it is driving a bigger wedge between the racial and political divide in the US. and by continuing, the protest is defeating its own objective.
One only has to read on this board the distance of opinion between the posters to see how wide that divide is, if reflected across the whole country.

You are so right. Right after the killing of George Floyd I believe the public was 100% in agreement in condemnation of his killing. I saw not one person that supported the officer responsible and still don’t. Yet the reaction by looting and burning and the condemnation of all police has caused a wedge that will last a decade or more. Now even those that condemned Floyd’s killing have animosity toward the whole thing. Oh, and those that make their living off the decisiveness (Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter, etc) have now received another decade in which they can shake down corporations with threats and boycotts if they don’t get what they want and unfortunately the corporations and sports leagues, etc will capitulate which just encourages more. If you give in to a bully you will never stop their demands.

[graciegirl]

Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.

Methamphetamine and Fentanyl was found during his autopsy by both physicians, the one for the state and the one for the family.

Can you link us to the interchange between Floyd and Chauvin at the nightclub where they were both employed? I can't find a trace of that. It must have been removed from on line sources for some reason.

[rlcooper70]

I read this thread with aplomb ... because the character of the dead man is not relevant to the discussion of how we as a society should view this situation. The police are not the problem. And yet I hope the policies of the police forces can be the solution. I read that this technique of subduing a man was used 244 times in Minneapolis over the past three years (with 16 deaths). Perhaps there is another technique ... other than kneeling on a handcuffed man's neck until he passes out. I hope so.

[coffeebean]

Yep, why not "honor" all career violent criminals? Why not portray all of them with wings and a halo? Disgusting!
There is no excuse for the excessive force used, but all George had to do was COMPLY WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF LEOs, as we all are required BY LAW to do.

Why wasn't Rodney King, or Michael Brown, or Eric Garner given the same "honor". Why wasn't there talk of defunding and dismantling police force at those times?

But for all those who are happy with the way this criminal was "honored" with an elaborate funeral, just ask yourself just WHO PAID FOR IT? Probably the same people who paid to bus in "peaceful protesters" to the riots and looting

Boxing legend Floyd Mayweather paid for George Floyd's funeral.

Boxing legend Floyd Mayweather is paying for George Floyd's funeral - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/floyd-mayweather-george-floyd-funeral-memorial-services/)

BTW.....have you read George Floyd's autopsy (not the one done by the families request)? I haven't read the entire report but hubby read to me the "interesting" parts.

[VillageLiberal]

Thank you for your eloquent reply, I would not have been so nice. His criminal record means nothing, he was murdered by that policeman, period.
We must stop the needless killing of black and brown people, if we don't, what we see now will continue.

And we need to address systematic racism. I am a classic example of white privilege. Poor white trouble maker growing up to a single mom. Running on the streets of South Jersey, police turned a blind eye too many times, instead moving on to the black neighborhood to make a collar because that's what all the white people wanted to hear that we were keeping those reckless trouble maker blacks in line. It's horrible and it's true, the system is absolutely designed to suppress the black people. Discrimination is real, I've witnessed white people not hire a more qualified candidate because of his/her skin color, or pick the white candidate because he was someone's friend. And this wasn't some local mom and pop company I'm talking US Government hiring. We have a systematic racism problem in the US that needs to be addressed.

I'm actually glad the show COPS has been taken off the air, I hope LIVE PD follows, as these shows perpetuate the problem of systematic racism.

[John_W]

I thought it was the funeral for President Kennedy. Only in America can a thug, druggy felon be treated like the leader of the world. Where will they put his statue? Will they will be naming schools after him?

I'm wondering the same thing, where will they build the George Floyd statue. Probably have him wearing a suit and tie with a briefcase in his hand or maybe even better, riding a horse in military uniform. Pointing out toward a new horizon. I'm sure Oprah will pay for it, or the mayor of minneapolis will have the taxpayers there pay for it. Then we'll have a national holiday every year in June on a monday, George Floyd Day.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_444x250/HT/p2/2020/06/08/Pictures/protest-against-the-death-london-george-floyd_da69963c-a93f-11ea-9c49-07241376e8f9.jpg

[VillageLiberal]

I thought it was the funeral for President Kennedy. Only in America can a thug, druggy felon be treated like the leader of the world. Where will they put his statue? Will they will be naming schools after him?

Seems "Thug" is the word of the day, hmmm wonder where got started. You can always tell who watches Fox Faux News.

[Swoop]

And we need to address systematic racism. I am a classic example of white privilege. Poor white trouble maker growing up to a single mom. Running on the streets of South Jersey, police turned a blind eye too many times, instead moving on to the black neighborhood to make a collar because that's what all the white people wanted to hear that we were keeping those reckless trouble maker blacks in line. It's horrible and it's true, the system is absolutely designed to suppress the black people. Discrimination is real, I've witnessed white people not hire a more qualified candidate because of his/her skin color, or pick the white candidate because he was someone's friend. And this wasn't some local mom and pop company I'm talking US Government hiring. We have a systematic racism problem in the US that needs to be addressed.

I'm actually glad the show COPS has been taken off the air, I hope LIVE PD follows, as these shows perpetuate the problem of systematic racism.

Back up your post with actual facts. Let’s see the statistics that support your narrative.

[VillageLiberal]

Defunding he police is not he solution. ANARCHY will follow and IS NO SOLUTION AT ALL.

I think everyone agrees the Police need to be REFORMED and DEMILITARIZED and not DEFUNDED, so glad to have your attention on this subject now, let move forward and take action to make these reforms to eliminate systematic racism.

[RedChariot]

With all this over the top reaction from the media, continued protest and destruction of property, and the farce of practically a state funeral for George Floyd.
I would hazard a guess, that rather than unite, it is driving a bigger wedge between the racial and political divide in the US. and by continuing, the protest is defeating its own objective.
One only has to read on this board the distance of opinion between the posters to see how wide that divide is, if reflected across the whole country.

People don't like things being shoved down their throat. Multi city funerals. Final mile in a horse drawn carriage. Over the top for sure. That does not negate the horror of his death. But saying this man that has committed some despicable acts , "changed the world " is pandering to a select group and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[VillageLiberal]

Back up your post with actual facts. Let’s see the statistics that support your narrative.

Open a web browser and go to the Southern Poverty Law Center as a start

[newbie1758]

I agree. You stated it well.

[VillageLiberal]

People don't like things being shoved down their throat. Multi city funerals. Final mile in a horse drawn carriage. Over the top for sure. That does not negate the horror of his death. But saying this man that has committed some despicable acts , "changed the world " is pandering to a select group and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Agreed! Somewhere in this thread someone stated something to the effect "I can't believe they showed this over the top funeral on Fox News, how dare Fox News for airing it" or something like that. Well that person needs to understand that you were being manipulated by Fox News for the exact purpose your here making these comments. Fox News knew it would absolutely drive their viewers to anger, especially when they run a ticket below the video saying something like "thug and felon gets princess Diana funeral" or whatever other nonsense to get people fired up.

[Swoop]

Open a web browser and go to the Southern Poverty Law Center as a start
List them please. Not the website of some ultra left hate group that has plenty of problems of its own...

“ The SPLC has its own troubles
These shameful secrets are no longer hidden in shadows. The New York Times, Politico, NPR and a host of other mainstream publications are reporting on the corruption and widening credibility gap. The SPLC dismissed its co-founder in March, and its president has resigned amidst numerous claims of sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racism within the organization — a parade of disgraces that vividly force the conclusion: The SPLC is hollow, rotten and failing at the very virtues it pretends to celebrate.”

[billethkid]

Agreed! Somewhere in this thread someone stated something to the effect "I can't believe they showed this over the top funeral on Fox News, how dare Fox News for airing it" or something like that. Well that person needs to understand that you were being manipulated by Fox News for the exact purpose your here making these comments. Fox News knew it would absolutely drive their viewers to anger, especially when they run a ticket below the video saying something like "thug and felon gets princess Diana funeral" or whatever other nonsense to get people fired up.

OR.........they are presenting it the way most people think/feel!?!?

[kathy1516]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Officer Dorn, a true hero, was overlooked. Instead the media circus spent all day following the funeral of a career criminal. Disgusting. I turned the TV off as it was an insult to every police officer killed in the line of duty.

[VillageLiberal]

In the real world, I don't watch Fox News myself. Where do you get your news? MSNBC or CNN, come on admit it, you have your slanted views and I don't have any because I form all my opinions by not watching any news!!


I generally don't watch news on television. I have an RSS reader that aggregates news from various sources, see attached screenshot for some of the sources I pull news from.

[VillageLiberal]

OR.........they are presenting it the way most people think/feel!?!?

Fox viewers are being manipulated and conditioned exactly the same way Fox viewers claim the MSM lies to thier viewers. You need to read some Chomsky.

[ffresh]

Yes! People please check out Chauvin’s police record before before condemning George Floyd.

Please enlighten us on how Chauvin's record, sketchy though it may be, has anything to do with someone pointing out the fact that Floyd was a thug:
Thug | Definition of Thug by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug)

Now check/listen how John McWhorter twists thug into a racially-weaponized term:
NPR's Melissa Block speaks to John McWhorter, associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University, about the use of the word "thug" to describe Baltimore rioters.
The Racially Charged Meaning Behind The Word 'Thug' : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug)

Fred :spoken:

[Scorpyo]

I often wonder how the pregnant woman who was robbed with the gun pointing at her stomach feels. I wonder what she would say? I wonder if she is still frightened? I would like to know more about what happened that day, but the archives online have been "cleaned". I could not even find George Floyd's mugshots.

It doesn't have anything to do with George Floyd's funeral as stated above, but he was honored as a hero and the truth is that no one would want their son or daughter to have four felonies and to serve time for each of them.

Certainly, ethical people can see that causing death during an arrest is a horrible thing, but I would like to see the tapes of exactly why the ruckus in the car and the other ones too blocked out. I wonder if we will ever know if he possibly did have intoxicants that were lethal. The knee on neck is used with justification, I think, on people who will not allow themselves to be restrained. Sometimes they continue fighting even with handcuffs. They struggle to their knees and kick and writhe. Especially those high on some drugs. I can't see that this incident was racist. The knee on neck is used with all those resisting arrest violently. It is used a lot and hasn't stopped the passage of air to the lungs or caused a person to stop breathing in thousands and thousands of usage. I am just trying to be fair but I know I will be viewed as racist. I hope I am not.

Everyone knows that once a suspect is on the ground and his hands are cuffed behind his back then he is restrained and the knee to the neck is unnecessary because there is nothing he can do and the police that are restraining him are no longer in any danger. Isn't that true? Watch this video which we've never seen on TV.

Handcuffed Man Kicks New York City Police Officer Onto Subway Tracks During Arrest - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVz-MhG75kM&feature=youtu.be)

If a train was coming, instead of suffering some broken bones, she would not be here today but I'm sure we would not have heard anything about it.

[John_W]

Did it ever occur to you to wonder/care, why there was only ONE African-American controller...in the first place? :oops:



I NEVER HAD TO WONDER!! If he hadn't of been black, he would been washed out long ago, like I said, he was the worse controller I've ever seen. He had more conflicts than any of the other 57 controllers at Pensacola. AS TO YOUR QUESTION!! They require certain qualifications before you can even take the test!! Just like the Army required certain qualifications before you could select the school I needed a 130 or higher on my Armed Forces Qualification Exam before I could select air traffic controller in the Army. A 130 was actually higher than the required score to become a helicopter pilot.

To take the civil exam you needed 3 years air traffic controller expereince, that only comes from the military experience, or a commercial pilot's license or a 4 year college degree in any major. This is before you can even take the test, then you needed to score at least a 91 to make it onto the hiring register. Also, you could not be hired if you have reached your 31st birthday. It takes a bit of intelligence!!

After 1981 and 12,000 controller's were fired, they eliminated all those requirements. The only requirement to take the exam was 3 year's work experience anywhere, doing anything, and at any age. I knew a man who was a flight instructor and was 65 years old, and was hired to work at Washington Center.

[coffeebean]

Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.

Really? Do most funerals in the black community include a horse drawn carriage? I did not watch any of the funeral but have caught a glimpse on the news. Very over the top for me but I have never been to a funeral in the black community so what do I know?

[ffresh]

7 career people were murdered that day. One was a career criminal and six were career police officers. Can you name them.? Pelosi calls one of the a martyr and kneels down before him. Six died protecting people, one died robbing people, all dead, all murdered. Why does one deserve so much more than the other six? Was his life more important, was he a better citizen.? This country is upside down and people aren't going to like the future that is being formed. Trouble and termoil are in the future. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting are going to become a way of life. If you want something, kill and take it.

YOUR post is not only EXCELLENT, but prescient, as well!

Fred :clap2:

[coffeebean]

And how did that "poor" family pay for that extravagant GOLD coffin?

They didn't. Floyd Mayweather did.

[VillageLiberal]

Please enlighten us on how Chauvin's record, sketchy though it may be, has anything to do with someone pointing out the fact that Floyd was a thug:
Thug | Definition of Thug by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug)

Now check/listen how John McWhorter twists thug into a racially-weaponized term:
NPR's Melissa Block speaks to John McWhorter, associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University, about the use of the word "thug" to describe Baltimore rioters.
The Racially Charged Meaning Behind The Word 'Thug' : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug)

Fred :spoken:

By that definition Chauvin was a Thug also, a thug hiding behind a badge and a gun. Probably got hired by a friend.

[fdpaq0580]

Back up your post with actual facts. Let’s see the statistics that support your narrative.

Sorry, but I believe he/she was relating personal experience and observation. I doubt this person did an in-depth analysis.
As for my own experience during the early 1970's, I (a white male) was denied the opportunity of even applying for many jobs because of my race and gender as companies were required to meet government instituted quotas. This "reverse discrimination" was an effort to promote equal opportunity. After spending 6 years in the military where your rating was determined by experience and knowledge, to be denied even the opportunity to try, hurt. Still, I understood the intent of the program and accepted it. Once I was employed, I did my best and was ultimately promoted to the career I wanted.
I know that discrimination is still a problem. I know that bias runs in all directions. I believe that an open, orderly and peaceful working together is the best way to achieve positive results. We should be shaking hands (figuratively during covid) instead of shaking fists. I believe there are many like myself who feel that opportunities for improvement for all are better than any time in human existence if we are willing to work together in peace and quit picking at the scab of past injustice. We can't fix history, but we can learn from it and try to do better.

[OhioBuckeye]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.
I do agree with you about George Floyd’s funeral, I too thought it was overboard & we know George’s family no way could of had a funeral that Laborite. As far as the Peace Makers I just think ONE bad cop made all the other millions of Law Enforcement look bad & got all of this rioting, fires & looting expense put on the Tax Payers. I have no hard feelings toward our Law Enforcement except one of them & his buddy officers. It cost a lot of people millions of dollars. But a lot of these rioters were only interested in looting & starting fires. I doubt a lot of them couldn’t care less for the Floyd’s. George surrendered when he was cuffed & died a uncalled for death! Have a wonderful Day.

[Rosebud1949]

A retired Cop gets murdered, helping businesses.... and people walk over him, yet a career criminal gets a "State" funeral.. (several times over).... This is WRONG and will not make American great again..... Peaceful protests are fine.. looting and riots are not. Now we are to accept kneeling during the anthem.... WHAT NEXT..........

[Two Bills]

People don't like things being shoved down their throat. Multi city funerals. Final mile in a horse drawn carriage. Over the top for sure. That does not negate the horror of his death. But saying this man that has committed some despicable acts , "changed the world " is pandering to a select group and leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

I have reread my post, several times, and I cannot see where I said anything remotely like that!:shrug:

[billethkid]

7 career people were murdered that day. One was a career criminal and six were career police officers. Can you name them.? Pelosi calls one of the a martyr and kneels down before him. Six died protecting people, one died robbing people, all dead, all murdered. Why does one deserve so much more than the other six? Was his life more important, was he a better citizen.? This country is upside down and people aren't going to like the future that is being formed. Trouble and termoil are in the future. Tearing down statues, rioting and looting are going to become a way of life. If you want something, kill and take it.

Succinct and to the point.

[Number 10 GI]

Seems "Thug" is the word of the day, hmmm wonder where got started. You can always tell who watches Fox Faux News.

Do you really believe the other major media are truthful? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Number 10 GI]

Open a web browser and go to the Southern Poverty Law Center as a start

Another bastion of truth, justice and the American way! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Sorry, but I believe he/she was relating personal experience and observation. I doubt this person did an in-depth analysis.
As for my own experience during the early 1970's, I (a white male) was denied the opportunity of even applying for many jobs because of my race and gender as companies were required to meet government instituted quotas. This "reverse discrimination" was an effort to promote equal opportunity. After spending 6 years in the military where your rating was determined by experience and knowledge, to be denied even the opportunity to try, hurt. Still, I understood the intent of the program and accepted it. Once I was employed, I did my best and was ultimately promoted to the career I wanted.
I know that discrimination is still a problem. I know that bias runs in all directions. I believe that an open, orderly and peaceful working together is the best way to achieve positive results. We should be shaking hands (figuratively during covid) instead of shaking fists. I believe there are many like myself who feel that opportunities for improvement for all are better than any time in human existence if we are willing to work together in peace and quit picking at the scab of past injustice. We can't fix history, but we can learn from it and try to do better.

:agree:

Well-reasoned and stated. :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

By that definition Chauvin was a Thug also, a thug hiding behind a badge and a gun. Probably got hired by a friend.

I just read something that cannot be true. Something called "Habib" a film company? Did both of them work for it? With a woman called Kimberly Brinks? Nelli Tiger Travis?

I am not talking about the night club, I am talking about making movies????

[Swoop]

Admit it, listing them would be a waste of time for both of us, you'd end up quoting some right wing opinion piece slamming each one I brought up, just like the SPLC, and in the end we'd not move one inch from our current positions. I'd suggest you look at the Government's Equal Employment Opportunity website, thier are lots of statistics of the 10s of thousands of discrimination complaints filed as well as the hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars used to settle those complaints. Here's the link

FOIA E-Library | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (https://www.eeoc.gov/foia/foia-e-library)

See, that’s where you are wrong. I asked you for facts and you directed me to a questionable left wing website. Rather than provide statistics, you would rather trade slanted option pieces. You make statements about racism and police brutality, but don’t have the facts to back up your “feelings”...

[Bent Tree]

I feel the same way about the funeral. Has anyone taken the time to look at this mans criminal history. One bad cop and you think all the cops are bad. I wish the black athletes and the black singers and the black actors And the black NFL players would take interest in the blacks ...this would truly help a lot.

[claricecolin]

Really? Do most funerals in the black community include a horse drawn carriage? I did not watch any of the funeral but have caught a glimpse on the news. Very over the top for me but I have never been to a funeral in the black community so what do I know?

While most funerals do not have a horse drawn carriage the rest of the service is pretty common. A home going is often a long, was but ultimately joyous and hopeful celebration of life.

[BHWitcher]

I absolutely agree. It’s not really about the character of George Floyd. It is the systemic abuse of policing. There are too many George Floyd’s and we should all question racism.

[ffresh]

Methamphetamine and Fentanyl was found during his autopsy by both physicians, the one for the state and the one for the family.

Can you link us to the interchange between Floyd and Chauvin at the nightclub where they were both employed? I can't find a trace of that. It must have been removed from on line sources for some reason.

I have seen no records of any "interchange" between the two and believe it to be contrived reporting. This is from the earliest reports (pre-scrubbing):

Andrea Jenkins, vice president of Minneapolis City Council, told MSNBC the two men worked at the restaurant together for 17 years, and that Chauvin knew Floyd—but Santamaria’s account (club owner) contradicts Jenkins’ statement, and Floyd reportedly only moved to Minneapolis around 2014, according to friends of Floyd.

While Chauvin’s off-duty job at the El Nuevo Rodeo club stretched over 17 years until a few months ago, Floyd only started working there recently as a bouncer and only worked about a dozen events put on by “African American promoters.”
Santamaria, who sold the venue within the past two months, said she doesn’t believe the two men knew each other prior to their fateful encounter Monday night. If Chauvin had recognized Floyd, she said, “he might have given him a little more mercy.”

Fred

[bpascani]

I wonder who paid for it.....

[Swoop]

I absolutely agree. It’s not really about the character of George Floyd. It is the systemic abuse of policing. There are too many George Floyd’s and we should all question racism.

So if the news media says it and you repeat it, it must be true. “Systemic abuse of policing” - really? Show me the statistics that back up your statement. Hint: they don’t exist, because it’s a false narrative...

[jimlambert]

Funeral of a porn actor and drug hyped up career criminal ex-con violent felon who held a gun on a pregnant woman during a home invasion robbery who died at the hands of a cop who kneeled on his neck too long while three other cops did not stop it.
The worst is yet to come. Many many months from now when the policemens trials are held, if all four of them don’t get hung from the neck the “protesters” will start right back up. And there’s a very good chance a lot of the charges will be reduced or dropped.

[GPGuar]

If the Special interest groups want to make a spectacle that's fine.

But for the media to cover it as though it was a dignitary of lofty proportions......was more than over the top.

Angel wings and halo. The ultimate symbol to top off the over the top-ness!!

Undeserved/unreal!
Could not have said it better myself. So true!

[ffresh]

You still haven't answered my original questions.

Unless you meant for your last sentence...to be the answer.


And yet, where is the proof of a huge spike in air incidents in the US...when these 'super-duper-qualifications' were reduced after the controllers were fired?

Do you really believe the MSM would report such figures, even if they knew them? Choose your bias (reasoning as to why not) but one method to determine whether there are "spikes" would be to analyze ASRS reports (Aviation Safety Reporting System) filed by pilots, controllers, mechanics, etc., when they deem an event to have the potential to impact aviation safety.


Unfortunately, like so much other government data, they make it "painful" to glean such information:
[url=https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/search/requesting.html]Requesting ASRS Data - Aviation Safety Reporting System - Requesting ASRS Data (https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report/electronic.html)

My point is, if there were a big spike, for example, in "near-miss" events resulting from an ATC (controller) error that occurred, but did not result in a collision, you (the public) would not know - the figures could be eye-opening, as well as frightening!

So, you can't infer much of anything from the lack of data, you must have the data to make any meaningful correlation.

Interesting background reading:
Affirmative Action Lands in the Air Traffic Control Tower
Posted on March 24, 2016 by Luke Ford
Affirmative Action Lands in the Air Traffic Control Tower | Luke Ford (https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=91124)

Fred

[banjobob]

I think this whole deal is staged ,not his death but all protests and phony outrage ,and "Black Lives Matter" scam

[billethkid]

I think this whole deal is staged ,not his death but all protests and phony outrage ,and "Black Lives Matter" scam

Election year driven!!!

[retiredguy123]

While most funerals do not have a horse drawn carriage the rest of the service is pretty common. A home going is often a long, was but ultimately joyous and hopeful celebration of life.
Wow! A 5 hour funeral with out-of-state speakers and attendees riding in luxury buses is common?

[kcrazorbackfan]

And the diatribe continues for this several time convicted felon that some so feel they need to anoint as St. George.

When did peoples priorities change to be so concerned about a convicted felon rather than businesses that were looted and destroyed and the Police Officers that were injured or killed by these HOOD RAT THUGS?

WHEN??????

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm wondering the same thing, where will they build the George Floyd statue. Probably have him wearing a suit and tie with a briefcase in his hand or maybe even better, riding a horse in military uniform. Pointing out toward a new horizon. I'm sure Oprah will pay for it, or the mayor of minneapolis will have the taxpayers there pay for it. Then we'll have a national holiday every year in June on a monday, George Floyd Day.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_444x250/HT/p2/2020/06/08/Pictures/protest-against-the-death-london-george-floyd_da69963c-a93f-11ea-9c49-07241376e8f9.jpg

That would be the icing on the cake of this s**tstorm of this event.

[claricecolin]

Wow! A 5 hour funeral with out-of-state speakers and attendees riding in luxury buses is common?
Not uncommon in my experience. Have been to several for family members and close friends. In fact, after my grandfather's funeral(on way to cemetary) we first cousins still laugh (in a limo there were 7 of us) about asking driver to stop at MacDonalds as some were hungry. It was a very long day, while at the time I didn't fully appreciate. Having memories of how your loved one was loved or may have touched someone for a moment is a gift.
No matter his past, George was murdering. His family lived him and some people were touched by him. To me also emphasizes funerals are for the living.

[jimjamuser]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.
I would opinionate that Floyd may have been a thug in LIFE as a person. But, after the WORLD has had mostly peaceful protests because of what they saw on the video, he became a SYMBOL, not a person. You can criticize a person. It is difficult to criticize a SYMBOL. He became a SYMBOL of the world seeing Bad US Policing. Norway has had ZERO Police killings in over 10 years. Blacks in the US fear Police, also poor whites in US Ghettoes fear Police. The world is worried when it FEARS that they are losing the moral leadership they have come to expect from the US of America.

[Swoop]

I would opinionate that Floyd may have been a thug in LIFE as a person. But, after the WORLD has had mostly peaceful protests because of what they saw on the video, he became a SYMBOL, not a person. You can criticize a person. It is difficult to criticize a SYMBOL. He became a SYMBOL of the world seeing Bad US Policing. Norway has had ZERO Police killings in over 10 years. Blacks in the US fear Police, also poor whites in US Ghettoes fear Police. The world is worried when it FEARS that they are losing the moral leadership they have come to expect from the US of America.
Actually it’s criminals that fear the Police...

[jimjamuser]

Fox viewers are being manipulated and conditioned exactly the same way Fox viewers claim the MSM lies to thier viewers. You need to read some Chomsky.
Tucker Carlson last night was pure soft-core propaganda.

[retiredguy123]

Not uncommon in my experience. Have been to several for family members and close friends. In fact, after my grandfather's funeral(on way to cemetary) we first cousins still laugh (in a limo there were 7 of us) about asking driver to stop at MacDonalds as some were hungry. It was a very long day, while at the time I didn't fully appreciate. Having memories of how your loved one was loved or may have touched someone for a moment is a gift.
No matter his past, George was murdering. His family lived him and some people were touched by him. To me also emphasizes funerals are for the living.
I find it uncommon that many of the attendees didn't even know George Floyd. The person who paid for the funeral had never even met him. Funerals that I have attended never lasted more than a hour or so. And, the eulogy was delivered by a close friend or relative, or someone who at least knew the deceased, not a national controversal figure. This was not a common funeral.

[camaguey48]

I don't believe they'll skate on this one. What they did was horrible and justice will happen. I also believe the looting and rioting was an excuse for the professional agitators to show their hate and contempt for our country. They riled up the crowd. This wasn't about Floyd, it was about destroying our country. They couldn't have cared less about Floyd.

[graciegirl]

Prior to being The Police chief of Minneapolis, in his job for three years, Arradondo sued the department for unfair racial treatment and together with three other officers won 740,000 dollars. Before being police chief he was head of "the Internal Affairs Unit responsible for investigation of allegations of officer misconduct".

Here is what Wikipedia says about him;

Medaria Arradondo - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo)

[jimjamuser]

Everyone knows that once a suspect is on the ground and his hands are cuffed behind his back then he is restrained and the knee to the neck is unnecessary because there is nothing he can do and the police that are restraining him are no longer in any danger. Isn't that true? Watch this video which we've never seen on TV.

Handcuffed Man Kicks New York City Police Officer Onto Subway Tracks During Arrest - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVz-MhG75kM&feature=youtu.be)

If a train was coming, instead of suffering some broken bones, she would not be here today but I'm sure we would not have heard anything about it.
4 Policemen on him for about 8 min is overkill.

[jimjamuser]

You are so right. Right after the killing of George Floyd I believe the public was 100% in agreement in condemnation of his killing. I saw not one person that supported the officer responsible and still don’t. Yet the reaction by looting and burning and the condemnation of all police has caused a wedge that will last a decade or more. Now even those that condemned Floyd’s killing have animosity toward the whole thing. Oh, and those that make their living off the decisiveness (Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter, etc) have now received another decade in which they can shake down corporations with threats and boycotts if they don’t get what they want and unfortunately the corporations and sports leagues, etc will capitulate which just encourages more. If you give in to a bully you will never stop their demands.
Looting is always Bad. Can negate the strength of a lawful, peaceful protest.

[dewilson58]

Looting is always Bad. Can negate the strength of a lawful, peaceful protest.


Can & Did.

[600th Photo Sq]

Prior to being The Police chief of Minneapolis, in his job for three years, Arradondo sued the department for unfair racial treatment and together with three other officers won 740,000 dollars. Before being police chief he was head of "the Internal Affairs Unit responsible for investigation of allegations of officer misconduct".

Here is what Wikipedia says about him;

Medaria Arradondo - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo)

I'm betting he lives in a " Upper Class " neighborhood.

[ColdNoMore]

Looting is always Bad. Can negate the strength of a lawful, peaceful protest.

Without a doubt, looting/fires/violence are abhorrent...and strong action should be taken against those criminal acts.

They also, unfortunately and if even done only by a small % of the overall number of protestors, gives an excuse/cover to take away the focus on what should be addressed as the root problem...and is used by some (you know who you are) to basically say "see, we told you so...that's just the way they are." :ohdear:

Maybe, just maybe though, this will be the straw that broke the camel's back...and a lot of good will eventually come out of it.

[Swoop]

Without a doubt, looting/fires/violence are abhorrent...and strong action should be taken against those criminal acts.

They also, unfortunately and if even done only by a small % of the overall number of protestors, gives an excuse/cover to take away the focus on what should be addressed as the root problem...and is used by some (you know who you are) to basically say "see, we told you so...that's just the way they are." :ohdear:

Maybe, just maybe though, this will be the straw that broke the camel's back...and a lot of good will eventually come out of it.

We barely got finished cleaning up following the Tony Timpa rioting and looting and now this.

Oh, wait...

[claricecolin]

I find it uncommon that many of the attendees didn't even know George Floyd. The person who paid for the funeral had never even met him. Funerals that I have attended never lasted more than a hour or so. And, the eulogy was delivered by a close friend or relative, or someone who at least knew the deceased, not a national controversal figure. This was not a common funeral.

Again, that is your experience. I am offering a different perspective.

[donassaid]

Selective outrage. How about the 48 black men killed by black men the last 2 weeks in Chicago. Do "those black lives matter"? And what about white perps killed by black cops? More white men die at the hands of police than black men even though more black men are armed. Funny I don't recall any white criminal being memorialized and lionized by the media and not by any "White Lives Matter" groups and certainly don't remember any killing, looting, burning or destruction of private property in the aftermath. No, these are strictly responses of Antifa, BLM, the crooked News Media and leftists.

[VillageLiberal]

I'm betting he lives in a " Upper Class " neighborhood.

See, now that just sounds racist. Black folks can't live in nice neighborhoods.

[EdFNJ]

I think this whole deal is staged ,not his death but all protests and phony outrage ,and "Black Lives Matter" scam /// Never mind, it's just not worth it.

[wisbad1]

While I understand that Mr. Floyd died at the hands of a reckless police officer, but the funeral today was way over the top " Drama "

Here you have an admitted career criminal, thug, bully, worthless parasite on society in general, was honored with basically a state funeral, complete with a horse drawn carriage . Followed by adoring followers.

Those who spoke glowing words you are absolutely no better than G. Floyd.

And for those who continue to , Mock, Ridicule, Injure , and yes Kill Our Law Enforcement Officers shame on you. You have no conscience.

Compare that with Officer David Dorn ( Retired) defending his life long friend property.

Officer David Dorn, God Bless You, May You Rest In Peace.

Shot Multiple times executed filmed on Facebook.
They put angel wings and a halo on his picture? Really don’t think he went up.

[wisbad1]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.
He left Texas cause he had two strikes, one more life in prison. My hero? No

[Topspinmo]

A man was murdered on video in broad daylight for possibly passing a phony 20 bill. He was not currently in jail, there was no warrant for his arrest - he was a free man in a vehicle. He was then handcuffed and sat against a wall, after a struggle in the back seat of a police cruiser he was taken out of the car and laid on the ground where he then had a knee placed on his neck for 8 min and 46 sec until he died. That is murder at the hands of a corrupt, criminal cop who had many many complaints brought against him. But you want to talk about George Floyd's criminal record only... How interesting. I can appreciate you thought it was over the top and dramatic but this death was the straw that broke the camels back in this country and we may finally see some real change. Just another opinion.

Well, he was committing crime? Just saying.

[Topspinmo]

See, now that just sounds racist. Black folks can't live in nice neighborhoods.

Need to get out more often.

[Topspinmo]

Without a doubt, looting/fires/violence are abhorrent...and strong action should be taken against those criminal acts.

They also, unfortunately and if even done only by a small % of the overall number of protestors, gives an excuse/cover to take away the focus on what should be addressed as the root problem...and is used by some (you know who you are) to basically say "see, we told you so...that's just the way they are." :ohdear:

Maybe, just maybe though, this will be the straw that broke the camel's back...and a lot of good will eventually come out of it.


Yep, millions I’d damage and theft small %.

[Topspinmo]

The worst is yet to come. Many many months from now when the policemens trials are held, if all four of them don’t get hung from the neck the “protesters” will start right back up. And there’s a very good chance a lot of the charges will be reduced or dropped.

Even if they get hung Or as the trial politicized still riot, Xmas right around corner.

[Topspinmo]

Agreed! Somewhere in this thread someone stated something to the effect "I can't believe they showed this over the top funeral on Fox News, how dare Fox News for airing it" or something like that. Well that person needs to understand that you were being manipulated by Fox News for the exact purpose your here making these comments. Fox News knew it would absolutely drive their viewers to anger, especially when they run a ticket below the video saying something like "thug and felon gets princess Diana funeral" or whatever other nonsense to get people fired up.

and CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSMBC, WP, NYT, NPR don’t :1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Drama? I guess you never attended many Irish Catholic funerals then.

Or career politician carpetbagger.

[Red Rose]

The biggest problem is how to get the looters, drug dealers and murderers to the table. They have to change also if we all expect positive change.

[Topspinmo]

Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.


By trying to pass counterfeit money. Which late time I heard was against law.

[600th Photo Sq]

See, now that just sounds racist. Black folks can't live in nice neighborhoods.

You obviously have never been to Atlanta. By the way the Police Chief has every angle covered $$$ wise.

IMO he is out for Number # 1.... Himself.

[wisbad1]

Your lack of sensitivity to funerals in the black community is showing. If you had ever attended one, you would know that this one was much like every other one in the community. You also obviously did not know that the man killed and the man that murdered him were both employed by the same nightclub as security and did not get along in that setting. Floyd objected to Chauvin's aggressive tactics. Murder 1 could be argued. Floyd had some issues with drugs and crime but had turned his life in a better direction until this incident.
Haha! Left Texas cause of the 3strike law. New hunting ground.

[Scorpyo]

4 Policemen on him for about 8 min is overkill.

Sorry I must have missed that video. I thought only 1 cop was "on" him. Didn't know 4 were on him. In this case probably 2-3 minutes were too much and the cop deserves what he gets. Personally I doubt if the cop was a racist. He was a power hungry ego maniac who had no problem showing any and everyone how tough and powerful he was. He probably performed the same tactic on many other suspects (black, white, red, yellow and even a green ET), only none died. The only point I was making is that contrary to some opinions once a suspect has his hands handcuffed behind him and he's faced down on the ground does not equate to a completely restrained suspect and one that poses no harm.

[wisbad1]

Even if they get hung Or as the trial politicized still riot, Xmas right around corner.
Rioters can do Xmas looting

[kcrazorbackfan]

They put angel wings and a halo on his picture? Really don’t think he went up.

I don’t think the Lord took him upstairs either. 😡

[GoodLife]

They also, unfortunately and if even done only by a small % of the overall number of protestors, gives an excuse/cover to take away the focus on what should be addressed as the root problem

Yes, kinda like the Police brutality problem is caused by a small percentage of overall police gives an excuse/cover to take away the focus on what should be addressed as the root problem of saving more black lives which can only be solved by focusing on black on black homicides which kills 1000s every year. :welcome:

[Byte1]

Here, Here!! Elequent reply and a great synopsys of the event. Congratulations.
It is only unfortunate that those who become upset at a White death, cannot seem to bring themselves to be equally so over a Black death.
All deaths are tragic.

I don't know about any "white death." Perhaps you can point it out to me so that I can become upset. I am upset about retired Capt Dorn's needless death by the hand of a "THUG." I believe that Capt Dorn was black, but I was not focused on his race. The only reason I am "upset" with Floyd's death is because of all the loss it caused to decent people. Sorry if I do not mourn Floyd, but I really do not see his passing as being a loss. And I do not yet see where this is a racial incident. Perhaps after the investigation is complete, we will see. So far, the incident does favor or possibly favor a grudge between the killer and the killed.

[Byte1]

The biggest problem is how to get the looters, drug dealers and murderers to the table. They have to change also if we all expect positive change.

I don't believe in coddling criminals and do not agree with negotiating or even trying to understand them..........unless understanding them means learning how to convict them for their crimes committed.

[VillageLiberal]

I don't believe in coddling criminals and do not agree with negotiating or even trying to understand them..........unless understanding them means learning how to convict them for their crimes committed.

Its wasn't that long ago when the British were saying something similar, "I don't believe in coddling these criminal colonists and don't agree with negotiating or evening trying to understand them .... unless understanding them means learning how to convict them for their treasonous crimes against the crown. How dare these colonist not peacefully protest, destroying valueable tea, burning british owned businesses, and injuring british citizens".

If the colonist had peacefully protested you'd be living in the British territory of America.

[GoodLife]

and the Open Michigan, Open Pennsylvania, etc... protests where orchestrated by the KKK, Three Percenters, Proud Boys, and the Koch Brothers. I get the impression that you feel your White Privilege might be in jeopardy, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

Gosh were any people killed or buildings set on fire during those protests? I'm sure my teevee would have shown it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry I must have missed that video. I thought only 1 cop was "on" him. Didn't know 4 were on him. In this case probably 2-3 minutes were too much and the cop deserves what he gets. Personally I doubt if the cop was a racist. He was a power hungry ego maniac who had no problem showing any and everyone how tough and powerful he was. He probably performed the same tactic on many other suspects (black, white, red, yellow and even a green ET), only none died. The only point I was making is that contrary to some opinions once a suspect has his hands handcuffed behind him and he's faced down on the ground does not equate to a completely restrained suspect and one that poses no harm.

There were three on him. So yes, you definitely missed the video. There were more than one video. I don't know how many more but I saw two of them. One was taken from someone who was crossing the street and saw the OTHER Side of the police car where George Floyd was being pinned down by THREE police officers. He was flat on his stomach, handcuffed, unable to get up on his own even if he hadn't been pinned down. One cop was kneeling on the back of Floyd's legs. Another was kneeling on his spine. And Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.

This was AFTER he was already IN the back of the police car, he had ALREADY been handcuffed. They pulled him out and moved him to the curb, where he fell over.