Seattle’s Autonomous Zone Gets a Warlord

[GoodLife]

Meet Raz Simone, new warlord of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. BLM activists/Antifa have taken over a few square blocks of Seattle and set up shop in the Police Precinct building which was ordered to be abandoned by authorities.

84535

Raz carries an AR 15 and a pistol, and they have armed guards guarding the borders of their new country. "You are now leaving the USA"

84536

They have demands such as abolish all police, reparations, retrial of all minority violent felons etc. They aren't letting media inside, so most reports are coming from alternative sources. Here's a couple reports

Antifa Activists Claim First Territory in Seattle (https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)

Radical Leftists in Seattle Seize Several Blocks and a Police Precinct, Declare It 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone' (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/06/09/radical-leftists-in-seattle-seize-several-blocks-and-a-police-precinct-declare-it-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/)

[Challenger]

Can find no responsible news agency reporting this - Not even Fox -- suspect fake news----- Monitor???????

[karostay]

Wonder how many Autonomous baby's for the state to support will be born in 9 months

[GoodLife]

Can find no responsible news agency reporting this - Not even Fox -- suspect fake news----- Monitor???????

It's not fake news, there are photos of it. Just google Seattle Autonomous Zone and you will find all kinds of evidence. As I stated in OP they are not letting any media inside so most reports are from alternative sources.

Seattle protesters declare '''cop free zone''' after police leave precinct | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-protesters-declare-cop-free-zone-after-police-leave-precinct)

Seattle Police East Precinct Boarded Up and Abandoned Amid Riots – District Herald (https://districtherald.com/seattle-police-east-precinct-boarded-up-and-abandoned-amid-riots/)

Inside Seattle’s ‘Autonomous Zone’: Trump Criticizes Mayor Durkan - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html)

[GoodLife]

Photo of sign "welcome to capitol hill autonomous zone" in NYT article

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[Stu from NYC]

How in the world does the govt of Seattle allow this to happen and continue?

[anothersteve]

How in the world does the govt of Seattle allow this to happen and continue?

How does the US Government let this happen? Especially if it is antifa, who is being labled as a terrorist organization by the government?
Steve

[nututv]

Perfect timing to turn in those weapons. lol This is going to get real ugly real soon.

[nututv]

How does the US Government let this happen? Especially if it is antifa, who is being labled as a terrorist organization by the government?
Steve

I have a feeling the war room is at full occupancy right now.

[anothersteve]

I have a feeling the war room is at full occupancy right now.

Let's hope so.
Steve

[Bay Kid]

We really are turning into a 3rd world country.

[nututv]

We really are turning into a 3rd world country.
We're like a tree that just got struck by lightning. Leaves are still green and they don't even know they're already dead.
Stay in your homes for weeks like good sheeple and we wont arrest or shame you. And hey you in MI, no you can't but that potting soil, it's non essential...
unless you're a protester then you have free reign to hug, kiss, destroy, burn etc.
Shut down your business or we will put you in jail...
we'll release some prisoners to make room for you as we wouldn't want any of those poor rapists getting the flu.
Turn in those 'assault rifles' lol...
unless you're planning on occupying a large section of your city. Then by all means, hang on to it.
We're toast, it's going to get real ugly in our lifetime. I'm not promoting firearms purchases along with some training if you don't have any, but it's not a bad idea.

[Stu from NYC]

We really are turning into a 3rd world country.

It is time to show the looters and thugs what a prison cell looks like.

[Kenswing]

From a local Seattle news station..
Protesters take over streets outside abandoned SPD East Precinct | Q13 FOX News (https://q13fox.com/2020/06/10/protesters-take-over-streets-outside-abandoned-spd-east-precinct/)

SEATTLE - Protesters took over streets in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood now that Seattle Police has abandoned its East Precinct.

Along Pine Street for several blocks, barriers prevented traffic from passing. Around the abandoned East Precinct, protesters have tents set up, food vendors, and other amenities.

“I see a bunch of people that are glad they’re not being bombed away by police right now,” said Raz Simone, a protester.

Simone says they will not leave until there is change, specifically defunding SPD.
He says the neighbors and business owners he’s spoken to say they are happy with the change.
“Scary, it sounds like a war zone,” said Jacque Treat.
Treat lives and works in Capitol Hill. She has taken part in some of the protests and helped people she says who needed refuge during them.

With the precinct empty, she is expecting the recent conflicts she’s seen in her neighborhood to subside.
“It’s going to be a lot more civil and peaceful just because it’s not an automatic war zone,” said Treat.
But not all residents are happy with officers abandoning the building.

“I’m a little frightened, frankly, that police have abandoned their office, which I thought would be a stronghold for them,” said David Day.

Day says he supports the BLM movement and agrees the clashes between protesters and officers aren’t the way to move forward. However, he still worries what it will mean without having officers at their post.

[nututv]

“I’m a little frightened, frankly, that police have abandoned their office
To Serve and Protect. lol Run Away, Run Away!

[jacksonbrown]

Mad Max (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max)

Just waiting until the MSM reports that his AR-15 is an "assault" rifle.

But then, maybe they won't since it's their guy doing the carrien.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Meet Raz Simone, new warlord of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. BLM activists/Antifa have taken over a few square blocks of Seattle and set up shop in the Police Precinct building which was ordered to be abandoned by authorities.

84535

Raz carries an AR 15 and a pistol, and they have armed guards guarding the borders of their new country. "You are now leaving the USA"

84536

They have demands such as abolish all police, reparations, retrial of all minority violent felons etc. They aren't letting media inside, so most reports are coming from alternative sources. Here's a couple reports

Antifa Activists Claim First Territory in Seattle (https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)

Radical Leftists in Seattle Seize Several Blocks and a Police Precinct, Declare It 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone' (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/06/09/radical-leftists-in-seattle-seize-several-blocks-and-a-police-precinct-declare-it-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/) Sounds like a lot of guys in the villages

[Stu from NYC]

Sounds like a lot of guys in the villages

?????? Find this place to be a very safe place to live.

[billethkid]

A severe lesson being learned when political correctness and special interest are allowed to put fear into those who govern/serve the people.

Every American should be concerned about what is being allowed to continue in Seattle.

Make it personal. Someone stops you from going through the gate to get to your house here in TV. Demanding to see identification of who you are and proof you live there.

Couldn't happen here?
A couple of weeks ago if someone asked if a police station and 6 square blocks of a city could be taken over by radicals......most would say no way.

Permissiveness has now bred fear in authority. If left unchecked I believe we are entering a phase in America that will ultimately tear down democracy and life as we know it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't see anyway of this being resolved without sending the military in. Does anyone believe that these are reasonable people that can be talked to?

[anothersteve]

I don't see anyway of this being resolved without sending the military in. Does anyone believe that these are reasonable people that can be talked to?

Nope, not me. They don't want talk, they want control
Steve

[CatskillBill]

This is domestic terrorism. Shut off the electric, water, cable, internet, and gas lines and see what happens.

[Aloha1]

The situation in Seattle is armed insurrection against the United States by domestic terrorists, pure and simple. You cannot sugar coat this any other way.

First thing you do is shut off the power and water. Then plan a night assault with choppers dropping flash bangs and tear gas. Have the area cordoned by tactical teams at each major entry point. Sweep up everybody and have a detention area to hold and process them. Anyone who fires at our troops should be considered an enemy combatant.

[anothersteve]

This is domestic terrorism. Shut off the electric, water, cable, internet, and gas lines and see what happens.

The situation in Seattle is armed insurrection against the United States by domestic terrorists, pure and simple. You cannot sugar coat this any other way.

First thing you do is shut off the power and water. Then plan a night assault with choppers dropping flash bangs and tear gas. Have the area cordoned by tactical teams at each major entry point. Sweep up everybody and have a detention area to hold and process them. Anyone who fires at our troops should be considered an enemy combatant.

Planning takes time. You have to let them settle in first, get a little comfortable with their conquest. I'm sure something is being worked on as we speak.

Steve

[Cybersprings]

Can find no responsible news agency reporting this - Not even Fox -- suspect fake news----- Monitor???????

I do not consider them responsible, but the new york times, the Seattle times, and the washington post all have stories on it for starters

[Stu from NYC]

Planning takes time. You have to let them settle in first, get a little comfortable with their conquest. I'm sure something is being worked on as we speak.

Steve

I would certainly hope action is in the works. This certainly cannot be allowed.

[GoodLife]

I do not consider them responsible, but the new york times, the Seattle times, and the washington post all have stories on it for starters

There are some fluff pieces on this starting to appear. "everything's great, it's a new age utopia" but twitter feeds and posts on reddit tell what's actually happening inside.

Raz and his henchmen got physical with one guy who was doing some "unauthorized tagging" broke his glasses and took his cellphone. Then they "hugged it out"

[golfing eagles]

The situation in Seattle is armed insurrection against the United States by domestic terrorists, pure and simple. You cannot sugar coat this any other way.

First thing you do is shut off the power and water. Then plan a night assault with choppers dropping flash bangs and tear gas. Have the area cordoned by tactical teams at each major entry point. Sweep up everybody and have a detention area to hold and process them. Anyone who fires at our troops should be considered an enemy combatant.

Agree. Federalize the national guard and send them in to clean out the area. After all the power and water shut off, no food, tear gas etc. doesn't work, offer the ultimatum----leave on your feet or leave in a body bag.

[nututv]

offer the ultimatum----leave on your feet or leave in a body bag.
Screw that. No need for body bags when all is left are bits and pieces. You let them walk, they'll grow stronger and wiser and wind up taking it somewhere else later.

[600th Photo Sq]

Agree. Federalize the national guard and send them in to clean out the area. After all the power and water shut off, no food, tear gas etc. doesn't work, offer the ultimatum----leave on your feet or leave in a body bag.

First and only question to ask these punks.

You can leave now and learn the " Easy Way " or Alternatively " The Hard Way ".

[TexaninVA]

Meet Raz Simone, new warlord of the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone. BLM activists/Antifa have taken over a few square blocks of Seattle and set up shop in the Police Precinct building which was ordered to be abandoned by authorities.

84535

Raz carries an AR 15 and a pistol, and they have armed guards guarding the borders of their new country. "You are now leaving the USA"

84536

They have demands such as abolish all police, reparations, retrial of all minority violent felons etc. They aren't letting media inside, so most reports are coming from alternative sources. Here's a couple reports

Antifa Activists Claim First Territory in Seattle (https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)

Radical Leftists in Seattle Seize Several Blocks and a Police Precinct, Declare It 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone' (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/06/09/radical-leftists-in-seattle-seize-several-blocks-and-a-police-precinct-declare-it-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/)

This cannot be allowed for obvious reasons.

Give the Governor / Mayor one week to "reclaim" CHAZ for the US.

If no results, send in the National Guard or 82nd Airborne. Given the CHAZ rebels three warnings to disperse per the Riot Act.

If they refuse, retake it by using any means necessary.

...

[Stu from NYC]

This cannot be allowed for obvious reasons.

Give the Governor / Mayor one week to "reclaim" CHAZ for the US.

If no results, send in the National Guard or 82nd Airborne. Given the CHAZ rebels three warnings to disperse per the Riot Act.

If they refuse, retake it by using any means necessary.

...

Would not give the governor/mayor a week more likely a day or two.

These people do not get to disperse. They should be taken into country and tried on criminal charges.

There are a lot of innocent people in there and those lives should be protected as much as possible.

[davem4616]

"How did we ever let things get so far out of control...."

[GoodLife]

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best: City Leaders Have Failed, Abandoning Precinct "Was Not My Decision"

"We have heard there are armed people 'patrolling' the streets near 12th and Pine. Of course, this is very concerning, especially because we don't know who these people are," she said about the Revolutionary Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. "We've also received reports these armed people may be demanding payment from business owners in exchange for protection. We've also heard they may be demanding to see identification from people who live in the area."

Antifa/BLM are against facists and Police. So they built a wall around their new country, placed armed guards, extort local businesses for money, and demand to see "your papers"

LOL freakin LOL

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best: City Leaders Have Failed, Abandoning Precinct "Was Not My Decision" | Video | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/11/seattle_police_chief_carmen_best_city_leaders_have _failed.html)

[jacksonbrown]

these armed people may be demanding payment from business owners in exchange for protection

You sure this isn't Chicago during the 30's?

[jacksonbrown]

For all you pro-CHAZers, what if this would happen at the Morse / 466 gate?

[anothersteve]

For all you pro-CHAZers, what if this would happen at the Morse / 466 gate?

Well since you did ask them, I will keep what I would do to myself.
Steve

And truthfully....they could have picked someone a little more menacing than a kid just barely out of puberty.
Steve

[billethkid]

This event could be very good if dealt with in accordance to the laws by which we all live and are held accountable.

It could be very bad for America if the "authorities" tip toe around and worry about PC and not hurting somebodies feelings.


If the authorities choose to negotiate.....it will also be very bad for America.

There has to be some flow being allowed into and out of the area.
Establish a perimeter around theirs. Block all inbound traffic. Allow residents and business owners to come out. Arrest non residents and business owners.

For a start.

By example America is being held hostage with the tail wagging the dog.

[600th Photo Sq]

This event could be very good if dealt with in accordance to the laws by which we all live and are held accountable.

It could be very bad for America if the "authorities" tip toe around and worry about PC and not hurting somebodies feelings.


If the authorities choose to negotiate.....it will also be very bad for America.

There has to be some flow being allowed into and out of the area.
Establish a perimeter around theirs. Block all inbound traffic. Allow residents and business owners to come out. Arrest non residents and business owners.

For a start.

By example America is being held hostage with the tail wagging the dog.

Are you serious these punks are breaking the law ! Obviously taking advantage of a situation.

The Police need to deal with it. Allow residents ? What in the world are you talking.
about.

These punks, losers, are criminals and the Police need to do their job.

[TexaninVA]

Am I the only one who notices certain very vocal posters are absent on this subject?

That's because they're apparently secretly rooting for the anti-US CHAZ rabble but can't yet come out into the open :popcorn:

[TexaninVA]

These punks, losers, are criminals and the Police need to do their job.



I think we're talking 82nd Airborne, not the cops, at this point if the CHAZ rebels don't surrender and vacate

[anothersteve]

Are you serious these punks are breaking the law ! Obviously taking advantage of a situation.

The Police need to deal with it. Allow residents ? What in the world are you talking.
about.

These punks, losers, are criminals and the Police need to do their job.



I think it's beyond the police's scope of expertice myself.
Steve

[600th Photo Sq]

I think it's beyond the police's scope of expertice myself.
Steve

Then it's the hard way.

These clowns need to be taught a lesson. Sure repercussions come at a cost, but in the long run. We win.

America is the greatest country in the world. World War I, World War II, Korean " Conflict ", Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, and dealing with success the evil in our world.

The $$$ to undeveloped countries is phenomenal. And yet we have Americans who want to destroy us from within.

My question why ? To those who go along and support these groups knowing full well that a " Protest Group " only invites those who want to cause criminal acts. Why ?

Is it for attention. Every single time that a protest happens like all of you support chaos happens. Every single time.

[Topspinmo]

How does the US Government let this happen? Especially if it is antifa, who is being labled as a terrorist organization by the government?
Steve

Let’s see? Northern and eastern California want to annex out of state and form there own state, eastern Oregon want to be annex into Utah. Washington so far left they should of reached japan by now.

[anothersteve]

Then it's the hard way.



Agreed. It's going to suck
....but
Screw it, I'm tired of this crap!
We need bigger guns
Steve

[kcrazorbackfan]

This is where a surgical strike needs to be performed.

Or, for those wanting to defund/abolish Police Departments, send in social workers.

[Number 10 GI]

This is where a surgical strike needs to be performed.

Or, for those wanting to defund/abolish Police Departments, send in social workers.

Better idea, let's send in the people who want to abolish the police and let them handle the situation. Show us how it is done. Boy my old mind isn't thinking right, those folks have a physical ailment that won't allow them to do it, a big yellow streak down their back.

[John41]

I’m happy they started a new country in Seattle. Now let New York and California be separate countries too with no voting rights in the USA and no welfare.

[Stu from NYC]

Hopefully they put an end to this very quickly without any negotiating other than to tell them to lay down their guns and come out or they will be taken away by force.

[billethkid]

My biggest fear?
There is too much of a propensity to not rock the boat and those in authority will cave to demands to avoid any action that has potential violence.

I do hope to be proven wrong!

[Viperguy]

All law enforcement agencies in many cities (mostly lib....) have no respect from their government and consequently feel threatened every time they are called out. Who wants to be cursed, have rocks or bags of urine thrown at you all day long? Disrespect should have an immediate and forceful reaction. Yes there are bad cops but in most cases follow their instructions and sort it out later. JMHO.

[ColdNoMore]

As usual, we hear from certain folks about how military violence...is the only answer.

Given the fact that we spend more than about the next 7 countries on this planet COMBINED on our military, it's no surprise of course there are those...that would want to use their biggest toy.


Never mind that the root of the issue...is something else entirely. :oops:

"When you love and are infatuated with hammers...everything looks like a nail." :ohdear:

[jacksonbrown]

Allow residents and business owners to come out.

What an ignorant statement!

You are forgetting the millions in personal / business property that will be lost.

Every personal / business insurance policy has sections that describe

1. the insured's responsibility to protect their insured property

2. coverage during a riot or civil commotion.

And....

CHAZ is not Fallujah

I can guarantee that the war lords are building fortifications, picking high vantage points, occupying the sewers.

Without the ability to use actual assault weapons (M4) and snipers with real bullets, re-taking the city will result in real American casualties.

[karostay]

Take away all the media coverage....No one will give a poop

[Stu from NYC]

Allow residents and business owners to come out.

What an ignorant statement!

You are forgetting the millions in personal / business property that will be lost.

Every personal / business insurance policy has sections that describe

1. the insured's responsibility to protect their insured property

2. coverage during a riot or civil commotion.

And....

CHAZ is not Fallujah

I can guarantee that the war lords are building fortifications, picking high vantage points, occupying the sewers.

Without the ability to use actual assault weapons (M4) and snipers with real bullets, re-taking the city will result in real American casualties.

Wonder if these people will be willing to die for keeping control of their little empire. If so have no problem helping them.

[skip0358]

If this is allowed to continue you can bet your ass this isn't the only area it will happen in. How can any Mayor or Governor allow this to happen or continue? Give them an ultimatum and stick to it then do what needs to be done period.

[billethkid]

"Military violence"?
Nobody has proposed "military violence".

All that has to be done is to give any authority, National Guard, active duty military, State Police, local police, rules of engagement that are very simple.....when defending civilians at risk, their property or oneself, if a response become necessary ONLY respond in kind.
Then how could it possibly be misconstrued as violence?

[jacksonbrown]

And, the bickering begins. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/12/chaz-shouts-down-black-women-frustrated-they-highjacked-black-lives-matter-movement/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook)


BTW, my previous post was not intended to be a "personal insult". I was referring to the contents, not the poster. "Ignorant" may have been the wrong word, how about, unschooled, without knowledge, uninformed. How's that?

[anothersteve]

And, the bickering begins. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/12/chaz-shouts-down-black-women-frustrated-they-highjacked-black-lives-matter-movement/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook)


BTW, my previous post was not intended to be a "personal insult". I was referring to the contents, not the poster. "Ignorant" may have been the wrong word, how about, unschooled, without knowledge, uninformed. How's that?

That video reminded me of a WWF match. Too funny!
Steve

[billethkid]

The mayor has already defended the participants as conducting peaceful protesting. Hence validating their actions.

The chief of police and governor continue to be in la-la land.

The caving in to the demands of a mob appears to be inevitable.

[fdpaq0580]

As usual, we hear from certain folks about how military violence...is the only answer.

Given the fact that we spend more than about the next 7 countries on this planet COMBINED on our military, it's no surprise of course there are those...that would want to use their biggest toy.


Never mind that the root of the issue...is something else entirely. :oops:

"When you love and are infatuated with hammers...everything looks like a nail." :ohdear:

IMHO the situation in Seattle has nothing to with improving racial relations or trying to resolve racial bias in order to achieve mutual respect and understanding. Instead, I see radical terrorist ideology using an army to take over a city. This is an act of war, not a protest.
One has to wonder what ties to other terrorist groups, like ISIS, Boko haram or others, they may have. Which groups, organizations have organized and funded this horror.
In this instance I do not believe that there is true desire for a peaceful dialogue on the part of the terrorists. Once they see how far they can go they will sue for peace, only to move on to new territory and start over again, with ever increasing violence and terror.
Like a blackmailer, once they get you to bend to their will, the demands and threats only increase.
This can not and will not end well, I am afraid. It's like a deadly cancer and the treatment will be painful and recovery will take a long time. And, like cancer we will have to be more vigilant in monitoring the patient and react immediately and decisively to any re-occurrence.
Again, this is not, imho, an attempt to promote racial unity and harmony. It can only be viewed as a tactic used to create discord and devide us during this trying time.

[Stu from NYC]

Wonder if we can get Al Sharpton to go in there and help out.

[Steve9930]

Its the resident's city but if it were mine I would not tolerate this behavior. This is no longer a protest but an armed insurrection. What those local leaders are doing is ignoring the rights of those people with in the area. I would say to the people in the autonomous zone. You have 2 hours to vacate or you will be arrested for unlawful assembly. You have the following choices: Leave peacefully and walk out, Be forcibly removed and carried out. Any one that raises a rifle to a law enforcement officer will be shot. This behavior is not acceptable in a law abiding society. NO more rubber bullets and tear gas. You want to play, let's play.

[davem4616]

Wonder if we can get Al Sharpton to go in there and help out.


that would be like throwing gasoline on the situation

Mr. Teflon should be in jail for tax evasion

[dewilson58]

Wonder if we can get Al Sharpton to go in there and help out.


If someone pays him.

[Stu from NYC]

that would be like throwing gasoline on the situation

Mr. Teflon should be in jail for tax evasion

He certainly should be in prison

[Marvic 1]

I do not consider them responsible, but the new york times, the Seattle times, and the washington post all have stories on it for starters

Don't forget the bobbing heads at CNN and MSNBC fueling the fire early from the beginning...

[Two Bills]

The way I see it, it's all getting a bit Woodstock Hippy Utopia on steroids, but with guns and lousy music!

[nututv]

A rancher named Bundy got the feds after him for grazing cattle in BFE.
Bundy standoff - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff)

These guys take over a major portion of Seattle and law enforcement runs.

Must be that White Privilege thing I keep hearing about.

[Stu from NYC]

A rancher named Bundy got the feds after him for grazing cattle in BFE.
Bundy standoff - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff)

These guys take over a major portion of Seattle and law enforcement runs.

Must be that White Privilege thing I keep hearing about.

I just do not understand why this is allowed to continue.

[Marvic 1]

I just do not understand why this is allowed to continue.

To make some people happy!!!!

[Stu from NYC]

To make some people happy!!!!

Anyone who wants to see this continue should not be tossed out on their rear IMHO.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's not Seattle as a whole. It's not even a "major portion" of Seattle. It's 6 blocks, total. The rapper is not the warlord, there is no warlord. Antifa isn't running it, antifa doesn't want to run anything, because antifa means anti-fascist and anti-fascists are, by definition, against dictatorships.

Here's what appears to be a hybrid op-ed/dramatic documentary-style article about what's going on in CHAZ (the autonomous zone where this is taking place):

What’s Going On in CHAZ, the Seattle Autonomous Zone? (https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/whats-going-on-in-chaz-the-seattle-autonomous-zone.html)

[billethkid]

A political slanted account.
Right up front stating conservatives and the POTUS "...have a problem...".

Does that translate into the liberals and their politicians have no problem with what is going on?

If one is OK with it being in Seattle then it is OK if something similar were to happen on one or all of the town squares here in TV.
It would be OK if a similar group took over your village and you would have to submit to an ID check to get to your home.

BS! Set the :censored: politics aside. It is wrong.

[GoodLife]

I saw a movie like this once called Idiocracy.

[Stu from NYC]

A political slanted account.
Right up front stating conservatives and the POTUS "...have a problem...".

Does that translate into the liberals and their politicians have no problem with what is going on?

If one is OK with it being in Seattle then it is OK if something similar were to happen on one or all of the town squares here in TV.
It would be OK if a similar group took over your village and you would have to submit to an ID check to get to your home.

BS! Set the :censored: politics aside. It is wrong.

I would call it a big load of crap.

[anothersteve]

Supplies they are "asking" for.
I say don't give them squat and let them suffer. All actions have consequences. Once they suffer enough there will be infighting and turning on each other. Most will beg for relief.
Steve

[billethkid]

Supplies they are "asking" for.
I say don't give them squat and let them suffer. All actions have consequences. Once they suffer enough there will be infighting and turning on each other. Most will beg for relief.
Steve

It is an indication of their mind set/thinking....or lack of it.

I vote no on any supplies being given. What other signal would anybody want to send these criminals.

[ColdNoMore]

Snip...>anti-fascist and anti-fascists are, by definition, against dictatorships.<...Snip

Therein lies the real fear of Antifa...by certain folks. :ohdear:

[kcrazorbackfan]

For all you pro-CHAZers, what if this would happen at the Morse / 466 gate?

We have too many retired LEO's and Military; that would not happen.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We have too many retired LEO's and Military; that would not happen.

True - the retired LEOs and Military would beat them to it and create their OWN well-armed militia, scaring all the peaceful resisters away and leaving them only with violence to deal with.

Crazy how that mindset works, ain't it?

[ColdNoMore]

True - the retired LEOs and Military would beat them to it and create their OWN well-armed militia, scaring all the peaceful resisters away and leaving them only with violence to deal with.

Crazy how that mindset works, ain't it?

If you're a hammer...everything looks like a nail. :shrug:

[600th Photo Sq]

Therein lies the real fear of Antifa...by certain folks. :ohdear:

I have been to many, many 3rd world countries with my profession.

My advice to you take a trip to Venezuela for say 2 weeks, you will definitely get a wake up call.

That said you simply you just don't get it, so basically it is pointless discussing facts with you.

Like a scratch in a old record.

But why ?

[Soxman]

There is NO government in Seattle.

[ColdNoMore]

I have been to many, many 3rd world countries with my profession.

My advice to you take a trip to Venezuela for say 2 weeks, you will definitely get a wake up call.

That said you simply you just don't get it, so basically it is pointless discussing facts with you.

Like a scratch in a old record.

But why ?
I just dislike Fascists, dictator's...and dictator wannabe's.

The same goes for despots and authoritarian leaders...come to think of it.

Does that make me a bad person? :1rotfl:

[billethkid]

There is NO government in Seattle.

All one has to do is listen to the mayor.
The governor? Zero so far!

[Steve9930]

There is a story that the Hell's Angels and the Moguls are on their way to remove these people.

[anothersteve]

There is a story that the Hell's Angels and the Moguls are on their way to remove these people.
Let's hope someone does something.
Steve

[tophcfa]

For all you pro-CHAZers, what if this would happen at the Morse / 466 gate?

That would be very interesting. With all the very well trained and armed retired military and law enforcement living in the Villages, I would guess the disturbance would not last long at all.

[anothersteve]

You can sure tell who the real sympathizes are, posters and non posters. Again pitifull
Steve

[Kenswing]

That would be very interesting. With all the very well trained and armed retired military and law enforcement living in the Villages, I would guess the disturbance would not last long at all.
Just wait.. You're going to hear something about a hammer and a nail.. :1rotfl:

[anothersteve]

Just wait.. You're going to hear something about a hammer and a nail.. :1rotfl:

Again!
Steve

[tophcfa]

A political slanted account.
Right up front stating conservatives and the POTUS "...have a problem...".

Does that translate into the liberals and their politicians have no problem with what is going on?

If one is OK with it being in Seattle then it is OK if something similar were to happen on one or all of the town squares here in TV.
It would be OK if a similar group took over your village and you would have to submit to an ID check to get to your home.

BS! Set the :censored: politics aside. It is wrong.

If some clown that was not a law enforcement officer asked to see my ID so I could go to my home, I would tell them I am happy to pull out my ID. Whoops, that isn't my ID, that is my Sig Sauer.

[anothersteve]

I just dislike Fascists, dictator's...and dictator wannabe's.

The same goes for despots and authoritarian leaders...come to think of it.

Does that make me a bad person? :1rotfl:

Maybe just sympathetic to their cause?
Steve

[Kenswing]

Seattle Police Chief: ‘We’re Not Able to Get to’ 911 Calls for ‘Rape, Robbery’ in Autonomous Zone (https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-police-chief-not-able-124718101.html)

“You should know, leaving the precinct was not my decision,” Best told her fellow officers. “You fought for days to protect it. I asked you to stand on that line. Day in and day out, to be pelted with projectiles, to be screamed at, threatened and in some cases hurt. Then to have a change of course nearly two weeks in, it seems like an insult to you and our community.”

On Wednesday, the Seattle Police Department said it would try to reopen the East Precinct, and Best was able to visit the location on Thursday. “Our calls for service have more than tripled,” she told reporters. “These are responses to emergency calls — rapes, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts that have been occurring in the area that we’re not able to get to.”

[anothersteve]

Seattle Police Chief: ‘We’re Not Able to Get to’ 911 Calls for ‘Rape, Robbery’ in Autonomous Zone (https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-police-chief-not-able-124718101.html)

“You should know, leaving the precinct was not my decision,” Best told her fellow officers. “You fought for days to protect it. I asked you to stand on that line. Day in and day out, to be pelted with projectiles, to be screamed at, threatened and in some cases hurt. Then to have a change of course nearly two weeks in, it seems like an insult to you and our community.”

On Wednesday, the Seattle Police Department said it would try to reopen the East Precinct, and Best was able to visit the location on Thursday. “Our calls for service have more than tripled,” she told reporters. “These are responses to emergency calls — rapes, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts that have been occurring in the area that we’re not able to get to.”

Freaking whimp!
Steve

[Stu from NYC]

Just wait.. You're going to hear something about a hammer and a nail.. :1rotfl:

That does get boring after awhile. He needs a new line.

[Bay Kid]

Such an embarrassment. Leaders that allow their city to be taken over by thugs. Don't these people ever work?

[Timothyimitchell]

IMHO the situation in Seattle has nothing to with improving racial relations or trying to resolve racial bias in order to achieve mutual respect and understanding. Instead, I see radical terrorist ideology using an army to take over a city. This is an act of war, not a protest.
One has to wonder what ties to other terrorist groups, like ISIS, Boko haram or others, they may have. Which groups, organizations have organized and funded this horror.
In this instance I do not believe that there is true desire for a peaceful dialogue on the part of the terrorists. Once they see how far they can go they will sue for peace, only to move on to new territory and start over again, with ever increasing violence and terror.
Like a blackmailer, once they get you to bend to their will, the demands and threats only increase.
This can not and will not end well, I am afraid. It's like a deadly cancer and the treatment will be painful and recovery will take a long time. And, like cancer we will have to be more vigilant in monitoring the patient and react immediately and decisively to any re-occurrence.
Again, this is not, imho, an attempt to promote racial unity and harmony. It can only be viewed as a tactic used to create discord and devide us during this trying time.

You're a smart person. This is the correct answer.

[Bay Kid]

I suppose it’s up to the people of Seattle to take back their city. Or they can live with what they voted in. I hope President Trump does not bail out any city!

We, the taxpayers, should not pay to rebuild anything they destroyed. Let the useless mayors and governors figure it out for themselves. Maybe they can get some of their protesters to go to work, not.

[anothersteve]

So tell me again....is it antifa or blm that hates America?

Mob of CHAZ residents call black man a "race traitor" for carrying the American flag : ActualPublicFreakouts (https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/h8nrcg/mob_of_chaz_residents_call_black_man_a_race/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x)

I will never capitalize those initials.

Steve

[Topspinmo]

Such an embarrassment. Leaders that allow their city to be taken over by thugs. Don't these people ever work?

No, and won’t be for awhile cause they make more Collecting unemployment.

[Steve9930]

What you have in CHAZ is nothing more then a bunch of spoiled brats that contribute nothing to society. I say let them have their experiment they just might learn the truth about what they preach. Cur off all services, including Cell and Internet. Line the out side with a barrier. Nothing in and nothing out. Have fun kids. You want to play, lets play.

[Number 10 GI]

That does get boring after awhile. He needs a new line.

Yeah, one trick ponies get boring after awhile.

[Stu from NYC]

What you have in CHAZ is nothing more then a bunch of spoiled brats that contribute nothing to society. I say let them have their experiment they just might learn the truth about what they preach. Cur off all services, including Cell and Internet. Line the out side with a barrier. Nothing in and nothing out. Have fun kids. You want to play, lets play.

The problem with that is it will probably spawn more copycats.

[Steve9930]

The problem with that is it will probably spawn more copycats.

Maybe, maybe not. When you have no fresh water, no sanitation, no food, no heat, light, internet, cell phone, I think they will rethink what they are dong. They have no leadership just slogans and passion. So give them a taste of reality.

[anothersteve]

Maybe, maybe not. When you have no fresh water, no sanitation, no food, no heat, light, internet, cell phone, I think they will rethink what they are dong. They have no leadership just slogans and passion. So give them a taste of reality.

More like a taste of Venezuela.
Steve

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe, maybe not. When you have no fresh water, no sanitation, no food, no heat, light, internet, cell phone, I think they will rethink what they are dong. They have no leadership just slogans and passion. So give them a taste of reality.

Very possibly but could see some idiots trying to smuggle in food and other basic necessities.

[Steve9930]

More like a taste of Venezuela.
Steve

Their own words say you are leaving the USA. So therefore we need a contract to provide services. This to me is a failure of two institutions, parenting and education. Its like anything else in life when you have no skin in the game, you do not respect it or take care of it. So its time for a life lesson. I'd refuse to let them leave either. If they are a separate country they need an agreement for immigration. like I said, they want to play, let's play....:icon_wink:

[Lottoguy]

Yep, and what kind of leaders lead those countries?

[600th Photo Sq]

The present situation calls for calm and let this thing play out.

Sooner rather than later these knuckleheads will get the message and give up, with the exception of a tiny few.

Using force is the easy way, these clowns have no idea, just let them exist on their present environment they will give up …..soon

[billethkid]

The chief of police can help set the direction if she does her job sooner than later.

However, if the mayor decides to send in food, water, medical supplies it will not go away.
The demands will eventually go beyond basics.
The average citizenry both inside and outside will soon decide, enough is enough and recall/fire/toss out the mayor.

[Northwoods]

Take away all the media coverage....No one will give a poop

:bigbow:

[Stu from NYC]

The chief of police can help set the direction if she does her job sooner than later.

However, if the mayor decides to send in food, water, medical supplies it will not go away.
The demands will eventually go beyond basics.
The average citizenry both inside and outside will soon decide, enough is enough and recall/fire/toss out the mayor.

One would hope she gets tossed out on her can.

[BS Beef]

There is a story that the Hell's Angels and the Moguls are on their way to remove these people.

Wishful thinking. Why would they care one way or another. It’s not their battle. Certainly is entertaining to think about though

[Bay Kid]

The thugs have put up walls, beat people that don't agree with them, threatened business owners and kicked people out. BUT they still need us to take care of them. DS

[Steve9930]

Wishful thinking. Why would they care one way or another. It’s not their battle. Certainly is entertaining to think about though

The Hell's Angels thing was debunked but there is a group planning to retake the area on July 4th. I believe before this is over there will be violence there by two different groups. This should never have been allowed to get to this point. Protesting is a constitutional right, Anarchy is an insurrection. They should be removed from the area and charged accordingly.

[Stu from NYC]

The Hell's Angels thing was debunked but there is a group planning to retake the area on July 4th. I believe before this is over there will be violence there by two different groups. This should never have been allowed to get to this point. Protesting is a constitutional right, Anarchy is an insurrection. They should be removed from the area and charged accordingly.

They should be removed, by force if necessary and held accountable for their actions.

Sooner better than later.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Is the answer in the past...1985: When Philly police dropped a bomb on a residential neighborhood (https://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/). I don't think so.

[billethkid]

If those in charge have not acted by now. Forget it.
What is going to change their mind.

Let it burn itself out or take over the rest of the city.
Those with any sense will move out.

What makes anyone think the criminals and thugs will be happy being contained in the existing area?
What happens when there is not sufficient sanitation to support tent city living?
What will they do as food is not sufficiently available?

Just to mention a few.

The mayor and governor have let the clock run. They now have adopted the criminal element as part of their constituency.
We will see what they do at budget time when there is a significant short fall.

Whether the mayor and governor realize it or not they have crested the hill and are sliding full speed ahead downward.

[GoodLife]

"there's no guns in CHAZ" "Raz is not a warlord"

Video of Raz handing out an AR 15 to a teenager.

Raz of the CHAZ Hands Out AR-15s to Strangers Who Could Be Minors - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jr0ILcX9hY&feature=youtu.be)

Apparently Raz drives a Prius, so he is an environmentally conscious warlord.

[Steve9930]

Time to round em up and send them to jail.

[Lindsyburnsy]

I watched an entire segment on CNN last night on this area of Seattle. While I don't agree with what they are doing, they were all peaceful and quiet. Most of the gun toters are the opportunists there to cause trouble. The mayor needs to clear that area, but a heavy lighting and rain storm and of course cold weather may finally make these squatters leave. Their presence isn't doing anything productive for the BLM cause.

[dewilson58]

I watched an entire segment on CNN last night on this area of Seattle. While I don't agree with what they are doing, they were all peaceful and quiet. .




Of course.

[Stu from NYC]

I watched an entire segment on CNN last night on this area of Seattle. While I don't agree with what they are doing, they were all peaceful and quiet. Most of the gun toters are the opportunists there to cause trouble. The mayor needs to clear that area, but a heavy lighting and rain storm and of course cold weather may finally make these squatters leave. Their presence isn't doing anything productive for the BLM cause.

I wonder if the producer of the segment went into the area before hand and asked for peace and quiet so they can make the point that CNN wanted to make.

Why report the news when you can help make it.

[Number 10 GI]

Raz has committed a state felony. Any transfer of a firearm in Oregon MUST go through a federally licensed gun dealer. To clarify, the owner must take the firearm to a licensed gun dealer where it is logged into his book and then the recipient of the gun must pass a background check before taking possession.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw (https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html)

[anothersteve]

Raz has committed a state felony. Any transfer of a firearm in Oregon MUST go through a federally licensed gun dealer. To clarify, the owner must take the firearm to a licensed gun dealer where it is logged into his book and then the recipient of the gun must pass a background check before taking possession.

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw (https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html)


Laws? They're their own autonomous government, they don't need no stinking laws.

Steve

[Bay Kid]

I wonder if the producer of the segment went into the area before hand and asked for peace and quiet so they can make the point that CNN wanted to make.

Why report the news when you can help make it.

Probably the same guy that wrote the story about TVs many years ago.