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GoodLife
06-12-2020, 03:15 PM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

Stu from NYC
06-12-2020, 03:24 PM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

You nailed it

New Englander
06-12-2020, 03:39 PM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

How come the good Reverends Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson never seems to mention this? And there never seems to be riots and looting over black on black daily murders.

anothersteve
06-12-2020, 03:43 PM
How come the good Reverends Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson never seems to mention this? And there never seems to be riots and looting over black on black daily murders.


Simple............it's not good theater.

Steve

DeanFL
06-12-2020, 03:48 PM
Walter E. Williams: The true plight of black Americans
By Walter E. Williams Jun 10, 2020

White liberals and black politicians focus most of their attention on what the police do, but how relevant is that to the overall tragedy? According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides with blacks being the primary victims. That comes to one shooting victim every three hours and one homicide victim every 15 hours. Three people in Chicago have been killed by police. If one is truly concerned about black deaths, shootings by police should figure way down on one's list – which is not to excuse bad behavior by some police officers.
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BTW - below> a picture of Walter Willams...

MUCH more of the article>
ENTIRE ARTICLE>
https://www.nvdaily.com/nvdaily/walter-e-williams-the-true-plight-of-black-americans/article_c13aab1e-c8ce-56a8-9878-bd0d370f7e6d.html

billethkid
06-12-2020, 04:03 PM
Taking over a part of the city and not allowing police in like in Seattle will do nothing to save black lives!

GoodLife
06-12-2020, 04:40 PM
Simple............it's not good theater.

Steve

Speaking of theater, the media is really good at casting good guys and bad guys

law breaking terrorists spreading covid

84582

peaceful protesters covid? what covid?

84583

Brandigirl
06-12-2020, 04:45 PM
Candace Owens: "I DO NOT support George Floyd!" & Here's Why! | Durtty Daily - YouTube (https://youtu.be/JtPfoEvNJ74)

BS Beef
06-12-2020, 05:26 PM
Well said.

I'll add, it is amazing how a show like The Family Guy can hit the nail on the head and it goes right over the intended target audience's head.

GoodLife
06-12-2020, 05:34 PM
Well said.

I'll add, it is amazing how a show like The Family Guy can hit the nail on the head and it goes right over the intended target audience's head.

Seth McFarlane, creator and also voice actor at Family Guy is a genius. I think he's fairly liberal but he skewers just about everybody.

Jima64
06-13-2020, 04:27 AM
financially it is to my advantage to always be the victim. leave me and my bros alone.

Dahabs
06-13-2020, 05:04 AM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

I used to think that way as well. Need to dig deeper into the underlying issues such as poverty, systemic and institutionalized racism. Just because there are many black on black homicides does not mean police killings should be ignored. Need to get out from our cocoon.

timcarnicom
06-13-2020, 05:12 AM
Large cities and urban areas like Chicago have been defunding police for years along with most other public services because of costs and decreased tax revenue. How's that working out for you. I can't imagine what the next few years are going to look like if cities purposely defund and dismantle police. I'm sure residents will be scattering like rats to move to a much more low key area so that will decrease even more tax base and will decrease even more public services so that will let the criminals run rampant even more than they are today. It's going to be an everlasting never ending downward spiral. This is the first time I can remember ever being glad I'm old and won't have to see much more destruction of America but I seriously worry about my Grandson and the life he will have to grow up in.

Tomptomp
06-13-2020, 05:31 AM
I don’t the police are arresting these people for singing too loudly in church.

Bellavita
06-13-2020, 05:48 AM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

ithos
06-13-2020, 06:21 AM
Do you think this may be a factor?

https://www.educationnext.org/files/ednext_XV_2_mclanahan_fig01.jpg

From the New York Times of all places.

Yet 20 years ago, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke candidly about the black family, spelling out the ''alarming'' statistics on ''the rate of illegitimacy,'' the increase in female-headed households and the rise in families on welfare. The black family, King asserted, had become ''fragile, deprived and often psychopathic.''

RESTORING THE TRADITIONAL BLACK FAMILY - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/02/magazine/restoring-the-traditional-black-family.html)

allsport
06-13-2020, 06:34 AM
You obviously watch Faux News and you lack understanding of the history of this country. Sad, just sad. I wonder what you would say if that was your son with a knee on his throat. There but the grace of god go you.

Strongel
06-13-2020, 06:39 AM
“White speak”, Faux news.....yes more decisive language will solve the problems of individuals gone bad.

RichS$
06-13-2020, 06:39 AM
I used to think that way as well. Need to dig deeper into the underlying issues such as poverty, systemic and institutionalized racism. Just because there are many black on black homicides does not mean police killings should be ignored. Need to get out from our cocoon.
No one gave up on the police killing. All four officers have been charged. There is no excuse for the rioting and killing aftermath. It just becomes one more example of a serious character flaw.
Regarding systemic issues, Education looms the largest. Blacks, historically do not take their basic K-12 education seriously which puts them immediately behind the 8 ball.
As a white person, the only thing I can do is protest against an educational system that accepts this character flaw. As a system, we should not allow anyone to advance a grade or graduate without meeting acceptable standards.
Ask Asian Americans or Indians how they overcame discrimination in the country?

Bay Kid
06-13-2020, 06:47 AM
Racism, reverse racism. BET, BLM, NAACP, UNCF, etc.

retiredguy123
06-13-2020, 06:55 AM
If the protests, riots, looting, and violence are supposed to improve bad race relations, it's not working. In my opinion, it's making the situation worse.

soniak4@gmail.com
06-13-2020, 06:57 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

dewilson58
06-13-2020, 07:02 AM
[QUOTE=soniak4@gmail.com;1783234]It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance,



90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. /QUOTE]


80,000 bad cops??.........support this number.

Cybersprings
06-13-2020, 07:04 AM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

You do realize that the term whitespeak is racist and offensive, don’t you?

Cybersprings
06-13-2020, 07:18 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

You have a good point at the end. However, very few will ever get to it because the beginning is so ridiculous, without any basis in fact, and offensive. I’m betting you don’t Even watch Fox News and are merely using the trite idea given to you by CNN. Also saying that 10% of cops are brutal licensed killers is so ignorant, I won’t even comment on it.

Race shouldn’t matter. But to think we will ever get to the point of no racism is ignorant also. This world is made up of people. People who will think they are better than others because of the news channel they watch, race, and many other reasons. We can only punish crimes committed, not be thought police. And with the constant proclamation of the first black ( fill in position or accomplishment) first female x, first Hispanic y, good luck getting people to ignore race, gender, religion

GOLFER54
06-13-2020, 07:27 AM
Very well put.

Stu from NYC
06-13-2020, 07:32 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

Do you really think that 10% of the police are brutal licensed killers? Wow.

Ever consider that when people do not commit crimes they have less contact with the police. Or do you think that because we are law abiding citizens we are racist?

ldivens
06-13-2020, 07:35 AM
Don't be confusing things with facts, they don't fit the narrative!

MandoMan
06-13-2020, 07:40 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

I agree with you. However, we should also note that a lot of young police officers of all shades and ethnicities start off with great intentions, ready to make a difference. Then they get assigned to a neighborhood where they see criminal behavior all around them and are cursed, lied to, shown disrespect, attacked. Soon, some of those with good intentions will change their minds and learn to hate. It’s a very difficult situation.

joseppe
06-13-2020, 07:42 AM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)


Very Well Put !! I agree.

Swoop
06-13-2020, 07:45 AM
I used to think that way as well. Need to dig deeper into the underlying issues such as poverty, systemic and institutionalized racism. Just because there are many black on black homicides does not mean police killings should be ignored. Need to get out from our cocoon.
It’s interesting how the media spits out a catch phrase and people repeat it like it’s true. The latest favorites are “systemic and institutionalized racism“. Not based on any facts or statistics, but automatically accepted and regurgitated back out. You “feel” police are systematically racist? Show me the numbers that support that false narrative.

meridian5850
06-13-2020, 07:48 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

Sorry, but you've got it exactly backwards about those who watch Fox News Channel. How can they (Fox) influence anyone who already has conservative beliefs? It's the only network conservatives can stomach, because the actual fiction in the media is being put out by CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc. all who produce fiction on a daily basis. You don't think we've looked at other media sources? Sorry, but we have and can't reconcile what they're putting out with what we see and experience in our daily lives.

Also, please cite an accepted reference that says 10% of all police are brutal murderers. You actually just plucked that number from the ether because you have no concept of math. As an example, Wildwood Police Dept. has 1,300 officers, so by your numbers 130 are brutal, racist murderers. I'm sure you can find a story online or in a newspaper informing all us about it. I'll be waiting...

MandoMan
06-13-2020, 07:56 AM
One thing I’ve notice while reading the crime reports in the tri-county area is that a large percentage of the arrests are due to drugs, especially marijuana. Often, only a small amount is found, clearly for personal use. Many states have decriminalized simple possession or use of marijuana or even legalized it. One of the big pushes is to legalize it nationwide, partly because millions of people with criminal records due to marijuana would have those records expunged. This affects all ethnicities. While I don’t use it and wouldn’t start and think legalizing it would be a mistake, legalizing it would certainly lead to a big decrease in policing, arrests, court crowding, and incarceration or other punishments. Think how many hours it takes two cops to make a marijuana arrest, take the person to the precinct, write up the report, Show up in court, wait for hours to testify for two minutes, etc. One joint could easily take a total of 16 hours of police time used up, and we pay for that!

Of course, would it lead to better-educated kids? No way! Fewer teenage pregnancies? Not likely! Fewer shootings? I doubt it! But it could save money.

WesMan
06-13-2020, 08:00 AM
You are totally correct!!!!! Thanks !!!!

WesMan
06-13-2020, 08:02 AM
Walter E. Williams: The true plight of black Americans
By Walter E. Williams Jun 10, 2020

White liberals and black politicians focus most of their attention on what the police do, but how relevant is that to the overall tragedy? According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides with blacks being the primary victims. That comes to one shooting victim every three hours and one homicide victim every 15 hours. Three people in Chicago have been killed by police. If one is truly concerned about black deaths, shootings by police should figure way down on one's list – which is not to excuse bad behavior by some police officers.
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BTW - below> a picture of Walter Willams...

MUCH more of the article>
ENTIRE ARTICLE>
https://www.nvdaily.com/nvdaily/walter-e-williams-the-true-plight-of-black-americans/article_c13aab1e-c8ce-56a8-9878-bd0d370f7e6d.html
You are totally correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

GoodLife
06-13-2020, 08:02 AM
This post is well written white speak

Thank you! I am indeed white and write well because both my parents were teachers.

You obviously watch Faux News

Not. I rarely watch network news broadcasts. Too much spin not enough actual reporting. However, if one only watched CNN and MSNBC news, for 3 years they were fed a pack of lies about Russian collusion and ended up very disappointed when zero people were prosecuted for it. Under oath testimony of all those who spread those lies shows they never saw any evidence of it. Must have been a big disappointment. Another big surprise is coming soon when several individuals at the FBI receive indictments for lying to the FISA court, leaking classified info to press etc and engineering the Russian collusion scam.

WesMan
06-13-2020, 08:04 AM
Candace Owens: "I DO NOT support George Floyd!" & Here's Why! | Durtty Daily - YouTube (https://youtu.be/JtPfoEvNJ74)
She is totally correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gail swanson
06-13-2020, 08:04 AM
So true

WesMan
06-13-2020, 08:05 AM
One thing I’ve notice while reading the crime reports in the tri-county area is that a large percentage of the arrests are due to drugs, especially marijuana. Often, only a small amount is found, clearly for personal use. Many states have decriminalized simple possession or use of marijuana or even legalized it. One of the big pushes is to legalize it nationwide, partly because millions of people with criminal records due to marijuana would have those records expunged. This affects all ethnicities. While I don’t use it and wouldn’t start and think legalizing it would be a mistake, legalizing it would certainly lead to a big decrease in policing, arrests, court crowding, and incarceration or other punishments. Think how many hours it takes two cops to make a marijuana arrest, take the person to the precinct, write up the report, Show up in court, wait for hours to testify for two minutes, etc. One joint could easily take a total of 16 hours of police time used up, and we pay for that!

Of course, would it lead to better-educated kids? No way! Fewer teenage pregnancies? Not likely! Fewer shootings? I doubt it! But it could save money.
Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joseppe
06-13-2020, 08:06 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.

Your 'systemic issue' will never be resolved. You cannot pass a law to make people feel differently or to eliminate prejudice and/or racism. Humans, just as animals will almost always gravitate toward their own kind. That is human characteristic. In depth background checks can only weed out past actions, it cannot weed out a persons true feelings. I'd say there are very few people, if any that could forget religion, color, nationality or anything else about their personal makeup.

WesMan
06-13-2020, 08:06 AM
Do you think this may be a factor?

https://www.educationnext.org/files/ednext_XV_2_mclanahan_fig01.jpg

From the New York Times of all places.

Yet 20 years ago, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke candidly about the black family, spelling out the ''alarming'' statistics on ''the rate of illegitimacy,'' the increase in female-headed households and the rise in families on welfare. The black family, King asserted, had become ''fragile, deprived and often psychopathic.''

RESTORING THE TRADITIONAL BLACK FAMILY - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/02/magazine/restoring-the-traditional-black-family.html)
You nailed it!!

Scorpyo
06-13-2020, 08:10 AM
financially it is to my advantage to always be the victim. leave me and my bros alone.
You nailed half of the problem with your first sentence. The other half of the problem is white guilt. Resolve those two problems and you’ll have a cure. It won’t be easy or quick. Nothing worthwhile ever is.

camaguey48
06-13-2020, 08:20 AM
How come looters don't loot bookstores?

Bikeracer2009
06-13-2020, 08:22 AM
Spoken like a true white person.

Seattle's abandoned police precinct was taken over by mostly whites and they invited blacks to join them. BLM has publicly stated that these people don't represent them.

Black on black crime has it's root causes as well as well as dependence on social services. That topic would require an expert to weigh in and I'm not an expert.

I don't believe the black members of the villages feel comfortable with so many post about current affairs. I could be wrong though. I will point out that in less than a years time I have heard the N word freely spoken in my presence more than in my entire lifetime. All spoken by residents. I'm not saying the villages is full of racist but it feels like the racist population may be higher than the national average? Maybe that's because the villages has a dense population of older white people? It's just a feeling and I don't have any facts other than my observations to support those feelings.

davem4616
06-13-2020, 08:31 AM
It’s amazing to me how readily some people are willing to show their ignorance, and are so very proud of it!! One can easily see those who solely watch Fox News clearly because they can only speak words given to them by Fox. They don’t have their own thoughts, they don’t read anything else, they don’t understand the difference between fact and fiction.

The systemic issue in this country is the insistence of some to see themselves as superior to others. Until that is resolved, you will have racism. The issue of needless killings by police must be addressed and resolved. Cities must be much more thorough in checking the backgrounds of the people they hire to serve and protect. 90% of our police forces are good men and women with spotless backgrounds. They serve our communities proudly and well. The 10% who are brutal, licensed killers, must be weeded out with in depth background checks. Forget color, forget nationality, forget religion, forget who people choose to love!! We all breath the same air, bleed the same way, put our clothes on the same way, go to the bathroom the same way. Once that is accepted, racism will disappear.



We're trying to have a civil back and forth of thoughts, ideas and opinions in this thread and you come out swinging and bashing folks with venom that you don't even know that may prefer Fox to CNN for what reason....because you suspect that their viewpoint MIGHT be different from yours?

Then you preach to others about superiority? Wow! Get real...go take a look in the mirror and you'll see a shining example of someone that sees themselves as superior to others!

Spoiler Alert: much of what is being presented as news today on any network is all spin...it's all about the ratings and avoiding saying anything that might cause a sponsor to pull their ads to distance themselves from some punitive boycott

BTW - I'm curious...what's your very best favorite Kool Aid flavor?

dplars
06-13-2020, 08:37 AM
OMG a common sense posting, good job.

amexsbow
06-13-2020, 08:38 AM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

The problem with a lot of people who post here and elsewhere know not of what they speak. My experience as a P.O. in a black housing project for 5 years: The unit was a mixed unit with one black officer and one white officer in each patrol car. Some cars had two black officers. Some cars had one white officer. Often times my observation was that the cars with two black officers were quicker to use use force in arrests than the white officers. The occupants of the project did not respect the black officers any more than the white officers. Some of the occupants were doing their best to raise their family and improve their situation to leave the project, while others had no inclination to do anything to improve their situation.

Police officers are not the problem. Statistics shows that. Systemic racism is a buzz word which people are using to blur the lines and discount the inherent problem that not all people are good, bias works both ways, opportunists and politicians will say and do anything to to further their own agenda.

The current frenzy is being ginned up by the media and groups which are seeking power in the vacuum created by elected officials who have abdicated their role in protecting the citizens of this country.

Scorpyo
06-13-2020, 08:41 AM
Humans, just as animals will almost always gravitate toward their own kind. That is human characteristic.
Excellent observation. However over time assimilation can and will happen. About 150 years ago Germans hated the Irish that came to America. The Irish hated the Germans. Then the Irish hated the Italians and vice versa. Both blacks and whites hated the mulattos. Over time hatred turned to acceptance or tolerance. This can happen between blacks and whites if the blacks decide not to be victims any longer and control their own fate and whites decide to stop their white guilt. Unfortunately this will not happen during our lifetime. Also one other thing I believe helped assimilate those earlier races was the lack of the political and media BS. I didn’t have the media constantly telling me (Irish descent) that I was supposed to hate Italians. So I married one.

donassaid
06-13-2020, 08:43 AM
Well said. The one thing you left out was to encourage the revival of black families. Too many dads are absent in the family which is a root cause of criminal behavior.

Marylynn
06-13-2020, 08:45 AM
The underlying issue is single motherhood. More than 70% of black children are born to single mothers. Hispanics 53%, whites 30%. These children are doomed to live in poverty. Poverty breeds crime. Solve the single motherhood tragedy. The Obamas should have spoken out about this. Jessie Jackson. Al Sharpton. All the black politicians. They don’t so it continues. Guess it’s not politically correct.

amexsbow
06-13-2020, 08:50 AM
In the 1960's and 70's in I worked with and socialized with the black police officers in my unit. Some of the black officers who were lighter in color belonged to social clubs which did not allow members who were darker in color. Some of the people in N.O. who identified as black practiced social segregation by shades of blackness.

Marylynn
06-13-2020, 08:53 AM
Your last sentence is so right on. Keep pointing out our genetic differences is just stupid. We all are simply just people.

Dust Bunny
06-13-2020, 08:56 AM
Please quote your sources to authenticate your claims

Dahabs
06-13-2020, 08:56 AM
It’s interesting how the media spits out a catch phrase and people repeat it like it’s true. The latest favorites are “systemic and institutionalized racism“. Not based on any facts or statistics, but automatically accepted and regurgitated back out. You “feel” police are systematically racist? Show me the numbers that support that false narrative.

Try this ; 25 charts that show how systemic racism is in the US - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6#black-men-are-roughly-five-times-more-likely-to-be-imprisoned-than-their-white-counterparts-and-nearly-13-times-as-likely-in-the-18-19-age-group-21) My comment was not addressed specifically at the police.

davem4616
06-13-2020, 08:58 AM
One thing I’ve notice while reading the crime reports in the tri-county area is that a large percentage of the arrests are due to drugs, especially marijuana. Often, only a small amount is found, clearly for personal use. Many states have decriminalized simple possession or use of marijuana or even legalized it. One of the big pushes is to legalize it nationwide, partly because millions of people with criminal records due to marijuana would have those records expunged. This affects all ethnicities. While I don’t use it and wouldn’t start and think legalizing it would be a mistake, legalizing it would certainly lead to a big decrease in policing, arrests, court crowding, and incarceration or other punishments. Think how many hours it takes two cops to make a marijuana arrest, take the person to the precinct, write up the report, Show up in court, wait for hours to testify for two minutes, etc. One joint could easily take a total of 16 hours of police time used up, and we pay for that!

Of course, would it lead to better-educated kids? No way! Fewer teenage pregnancies? Not likely! Fewer shootings? I doubt it! But it could save money.


At the end of your post you touch base on the unintended consequences of legalizing pot nationally. There are some pretty sad stories coming out of Colorado regarding young lives that have been totally de-railed as a result of legalized marijuana.

Sadly, those stories aren't getting much play in the news...nor do I suspect they are getting the educational spotlight in our schools that they should

Scorpyo
06-13-2020, 08:59 AM
Well said. The one thing you left out was to encourage the revival of black families. Too many dads are absent in the family which is a root cause of criminal behavior.
Thanks. I knew that but I was going to long. Yes 75% of black women giving birth have no husband therefore the child has no father. Also education is a major factor. Blacks should have a choice of where to send their children instead a failing public school. Lastly religion wouldn’t hurt. See I told it would be too long. Thanks again.

amexsbow
06-13-2020, 09:07 AM
In answer to dust bunny.

I was invited to join my black friend and colleague to have a drink at his club. While there he told me of the "brown bag" dances he attended. If a black person was darker than a brown paper grocery bag they could not get into the dance. One of my other black friends told me he did not want his daughter to date a dark skinned black. Everyone has a bias for one reason or another. Social or economic.

Eg_cruz
06-13-2020, 09:21 AM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)
All that is true......what needs to change is the mind set of the American people, employers, government and so on. When you hold down a race it will never get better.
I was talking to a worker at a AC company and still today white men get pay more then blacks or hispanic men. White men in construction advance fast then blacks and hispanic workers. Racial language is used on the job site everyday, racial language is written on the portable restrooms. Until we stop this kind of mind set things will never change. I truly did not under stand the “White Privilege” until I spoke to this worker about what goes on everyday day in all walks of live. Whether we wanna believe it or not they walk around with a target on them, they are look down at simply because of their color skin by a large portion of our communities? So until we fix that, we can not fix All Lives Matter. This FYI is not just a black issue.

Marylynn
06-13-2020, 10:05 AM
FBI statistics show that 99% of police shootings are justified. You can look it up.

roscoguy
06-13-2020, 10:11 AM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

I totally reject the idea that "the reason" for the protests and riots is police brutality, in and of itself. Police brutality is a symptom of the racism that still exits throughout our society. The flagrant killing of George Floyd was merely the catalyst for the protests. The rest of your OP is, to me, more twisted logic and refusal to admit that the actual "problem" always had it's roots in racism.

Swoop
06-13-2020, 10:12 AM
Try this ; 25 charts that show how systemic racism is in the US - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6#black-men-are-roughly-five-times-more-likely-to-be-imprisoned-than-their-white-counterparts-and-nearly-13-times-as-likely-in-the-18-19-age-group-21) My comment was not addressed specifically at the police.
So you refer me to a left leaning publication. I started looking at the “charts and graphs”. For example one showing the disparity between the percentage of blacks in the population and in prison vs whites. Black males make up roughly 6% of the population yet commit more than 50% of the murders in the US and over 40% of the violent crimes. Therefore there should be a disproportionate percentage of blacks in prison. The chart on prison time for minor offenses fails to differentiate between those with priors (three strike law) Look at the actual numbers, not a left wing publication’s interpretation of them.

Swoop
06-13-2020, 10:15 AM
I totally reject the idea that "the reason" for the protests and riots is police brutality, if and of itself. Police brutality is a symptom of the racism that still exits throughout our society. The flagrant killing of George Floyd was merely the catalyst for the protests. The rest of your OP is, to me, more twisted logic and refusal to admit that the actual "problem" always had it's roots in racism.
If what you say is true, please explain the nearly identical death of Tony Timpa...

BS Beef
06-13-2020, 10:20 AM
Many states have decriminalized simple possession or use of marijuana or even legalized it. One of the big pushes is to legalize it nationwide, partly because millions of people with criminal records due to marijuana would have those records expunged. This affects all ethnicities. While I don’t use it and wouldn’t start and think legalizing it would be a mistake, legalizing it would certainly lead to a big decrease in policing, arrests, court crowding, and incarceration or other punishments. Think how many hours it takes two cops to make a marijuana arrest, take the person to the precinct, write up the report, Show up in court, wait for hours to testify for two minutes, etc. One joint could easily take a total of 16 hours of police time used up, and we pay for that!


You lost me. You say you don't want it legalized but then make the argument for why it would be a good thing to legalize it. I agree with your reasons for legalizing it. I am completely on board for for legalizing it as soon as they come up with a field test for police to test for it (similar to how they test for drinking and driving now).

kanoa1kale2
06-13-2020, 10:28 AM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

Please quote facts disproving the posts. Please post your suggestions for solving the problem. Statistics are not white speak, they are facts. Solutions should be based on facts, not fantasy.

Dilligas
06-13-2020, 10:40 AM
You obviously watch Faux News and you lack understanding of the history of this country. Sad, just sad. I wonder what you would say if that was your son with a knee on his throat. There but the grace of god go you.
Firstly, my son is not a criminal, would not resist arrest if in that postion, would not pass conterfiet money. Those 4 cops were criminally wrong and like any criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. We need to weed out the 'bad cops', disband the police unions that defend and protect 'bad cops' from being fired and prosecuted. Cops hold no different importance than you, I, or any Black, Brown, Yellow, or White citizen. All lives matter. The answer is not to disband police departments and create open season for criminals, or viligianties.

Byte1
06-13-2020, 10:48 AM
How come the good Reverends Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson never seems to mention this? And there never seems to be riots and looting over black on black daily murders.

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
― Booker T. Washington

airstreamingypsy
06-13-2020, 10:55 AM
So, let me see if I have this right. The protest is about the police, who take an oath to protect and serve, murdering unarmed black people and the "good cops" who do nothing to stop it.... and somehow black on black murders are in the conversation?

Byte1
06-13-2020, 10:58 AM
I totally reject the idea that "the reason" for the protests and riots is police brutality, if and of itself. Police brutality is a symptom of the racism that still exits throughout our society. The flagrant killing of George Floyd was merely the catalyst for the protests. The rest of your OP is, to me, more twisted logic and refusal to admit that the actual "problem" always had it's roots in racism.

Not all police brutality is related to race. Whites are also victims of brutality. Racially based brutality or the appearance that it is racially based brutality, is just more publicized and better suited for the agenda. Plenty of white heads have been busted, but do not get the same consideration. Perhaps it is thought that they deserved it?

airstreamingypsy
06-13-2020, 10:59 AM
Firstly, my son is not a criminal, would not resist arrest if in that postion, would not pass conterfiet money. Those 4 cops were criminally wrong and like any criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. We need to weed out the 'bad cops', disband the police unions that defend and protect 'bad cops' from being fired and prosecuted. Cops hold no different importance than you, I, or any Black, Brown, Yellow, or White citizen. All lives matter. The answer is not to disband police departments and create open season for criminals, or viligianties.>

Disband means reallocate funds, not eliminate the police. Advocates are looking to downsize funding or to shift money from law-enforcement to other programs and issues that go directly to communities. Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza said the "defund the police" movement means investing "in the resources our communities need."

"So much of policing right now is generated and directed towards quality-of-life issues: homelessness, drug addiction, domestic violence," Garza said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "What we do need is increased funding for housing, we need increased funding for education, we need increased funding for quality of life of communities who are over-policed and over-surveilled."

GoodLife
06-13-2020, 11:05 AM
So, let me see if I have this right. The protest is about the police, who take an oath to protect and serve, murdering unarmed black people and the "good cops" who do nothing to stop it.... and somehow black on black murders are in the conversation?

Yep, we all believe Black Lives Matter. 9 unarmed blacks were killed last year by Police. That's not even a bad Sunday in Chicago. Thousands of blacks are killed by blacks every year. The Police are amateurs when it comes to killing blacks.

Dilligas
06-13-2020, 11:08 AM
The comments given here are highly influenced by newscasts watched by the replyer. There are so many reports online and individual that are not reported by the National News Agencies because the item does not follow their objective.

I wish people who comment would stop politicising others through what they think others watch in newscasts. All American news broadcasts are biased....they do not "report the news" they give their opinions of what they think will retain more viewers....they are in the business of selling advertising based upon viewership. The simple proof of that statement is watch your favorite american newscast and then watch BBC or an Englishing speaking newscast from France, Italy, Germany, or Japan. The 'others' report the news that is happening without opinion trying to influence the viewer. They don't begin a report with "you saw it here first" or "in an exclusive report", or "we are bringing you this report first'.....etc.

GoodLife
06-13-2020, 11:10 AM
>

Disband means reallocate funds, not eliminate the police. Advocates are looking to downsize funding or to shift money from law-enforcement to other programs and issues that go directly to communities. Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza said the "defund the police" movement means investing "in the resources our communities need."



Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police

Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html)

Bucco
06-13-2020, 11:12 AM
The comments given here are highly influenced by newscasts watched by the replyer. There are so many reports online and individual that are not reported by the National News Agencies because the item does not follow their objective.

I wish people who comment would stop politicising others through what they think others watch in newscasts. All American news broadcasts are biased....they do not "report the news" they give their opinions of what they think will retain more viewers....they are in the business of selling advertising based upon viewership. The simple proof of that statement is watch your favorite american newscast and then watch BBC or an Englishing speaking newscast from France, Italy, Germany, or Japan. The 'others' report the news that is happening without opinion trying to influence the viewer. They don't begin a report with "you saw it here first" or "in an exclusive report", or "we are bringing you this report first'.....etc.

Lots of truth here, but so many fans on one network or the other believe it only applies to another.

READING, to me is the best way to say abreast of things. But, with the networks, if you do both read and watch, you will soon find where truth lies and where conspiracy begins.

The point you make is what is driving much of the divide in our country, and if you cared, and followed your advice, you might find how others in the world now see us. It is not pretty.

Scorpyo
06-13-2020, 11:16 AM
Personally I believe Chauvin was a bigot more so than a racist. He treated perceived criminals with intolerance. I would venture to guess if we saw his arrest record we’d see many white arrests and probably many of those done with excessive force. He was extremely prejudiced and appeared to have a superiority complex. I would venture to guess he felt superior to everyone except cops. The choke hold he administered was probably done thousands of times across the country with no resulting deaths. In this case it appeared that Chauvin was showing that he had absolute power over what he perceived to be a low life criminal. Sadly it all went south. Given that the suspect was black it gave rise to some legitimate concers but more so to the well-known opportunists – Sharpton, Antifa, AOC, etc. They turned a bigot who used excessive force into a racist for their own purposes. Do you realize everyone reading this thread could be considered a racist? We all have our prejudices. I hate people that take advantage of older people. If one of those that take advantage is black, Asian or Hispanic does that make me a racist? After all I did say hate. I hate rapists and child molesters, I wish they would all rot and suffer in prison for the rest of their lives. If any of them are black, Asian or Hispanic does that make me a racist? Again I did say hate. It’s so easy to throw around words when they suit a person’s agenda. I would love to see how much Sharpton’s and Antifa’s bank accounts rose since this incident began.

jjombrello
06-13-2020, 11:18 AM
Thanks for the good article and you are spot on.

Don Ferguson
06-13-2020, 11:29 AM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

Somebody finally pushed my buttons!

I'm white, but grew up in a black neighborhood. That was because I was just like them. I lived in abject poverty and was raised by a grandmother on welfare. I started working when I was 10 years old, to eat! There was NOTHING available to me that was not available to all my black friends and neighbors. I was drafted into the Army, went to OCS, earned a bachelors and two masters degrees, etc. I've had a good life. But, it was a result of more work than I ever thought possible. in my moccasins white privilege only meant working harder than the black AND white man next to me!

Don Ferguson
06-13-2020, 11:45 AM
You obviously watch Faux News and you lack understanding of the history of this country. Sad, just sad. I wonder what you would say if that was your son with a knee on his throat. There but the grace of god go you.

I would be saying the exact same words I am now: That police officer deserves a slow painful death. Period. I can conceive a no defense for what Derek Chauvin did. However that does not mean there is systemic racism in the country. No country on earth has done (and continues to do) more to make a level playing field for all races.

There are, and always will be racists, on both sides of the spectrum. "Black Lives Matter" is a racist organization. The title is perfectly accurate but it is implemented in such a manner that ONLY black lives matter. Look at the announcer for the Sacramento Kings that was just fired for stating that "All lives matter." Both statements are 100% pure and true, but in this fantasy universe of CHAZ only the black life is allowed to be celebrated!

Stu from NYC
06-13-2020, 11:48 AM
I would be saying the exact same words I am now: That police officer deserves a slow painful death. Period. I can conceive a no defense for what Derek Chauvin did. However that does not mean there is systemic racism in the country. No country on earth has done (and continues to do) more to make a level playing field for all races.

There are, and always will be racists, on both sides of the spectrum. "Black Lives Matter" is a racist organization. The title is perfectly accurate but it is implemented in such a manner that ONLY black lives matter. Look at the announcer for the Sacramento Kings that was just fired for stating that "All lives matter." Both statements are 100% pure and true, but in this fantasy universe of CHAZ only the black life is allowed to be celebrated!

Very well said

banjobob
06-13-2020, 11:48 AM
I think a review of who is running these "troubled"
cities and states and the things they have apparently ignored for years are being protested. The "Black Lives Matter is a scam , all lives matter!

Scorpyo
06-13-2020, 11:54 AM
Somebody finally pushed my buttons!

I'm white, but grew up in a black neighborhood. That was because I was just like them. I lived in abject poverty and was raised by a grandmother on welfare. I started working when I was 10 years old, to eat! There was NOTHING available to me that was not available to all my black friends and neighbors. I was drafted into the Army, went to OCS, earned a bachelors and two masters degrees, etc. I've had a good life. But, it was a result of more work than I ever thought possible. in my moccasins white privilege only meant working harder than the black AND white man next to me!
You’re obviously lying because this was practically my life. You read my mind and changed a couple of things to make it look like you own. Me: born in the south Bronx. Lived on welfare in a housing project. Best friend was black. Didn’t know there was a difference till years later. Dropped out of HS. Used my brothers ID to get a job. Got a GED and went into the Navy. Came out used GI bill got undergrad from Fordham U and later MBA from Mercer U. Moral - hard work and perseverance equals success most of the time.

dustyaljac
06-13-2020, 12:24 PM
Racism is certainly alive in America and the entire World for that matter. But need WE be reminded, it IS NOT a one way street. Old adage, he who points a finger has three pointing back at him!!

cathiehines
06-13-2020, 12:49 PM
So very well said.

roscoguy
06-13-2020, 01:00 PM
If what you say is true, please explain the nearly identical death of Tony Timpa...

I... don't know exactly what you want me to explain... :shrug:

ColdNoMore
06-13-2020, 01:04 PM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

YEP...nailed it! :thumbup:

It also gives me hope and optimism, seeing how many others here, gave a 'Thank You'.... to this post (#15). :cool:

roscoguy
06-13-2020, 01:11 PM
Not all police brutality is related to race. Whites are also victims of brutality. Racially based brutality or the appearance that it is racially based brutality, is just more publicized and better suited for the agenda. Plenty of white heads have been busted, but do not get the same consideration. Perhaps it is thought that they deserved it?

I'm just getting confuseder. :shrug: Who said (or even implied) that "all police brutality is related to race"? Also, this agenda you refer to - can you explain what that's supposed to mean? Very puzzling post...

jimjamuser
06-13-2020, 01:26 PM
You obviously watch Faux News and you lack understanding of the history of this country. Sad, just sad. I wonder what you would say if that was your son with a knee on his throat. There but the grace of god go you.
Very thought-provoking. Good post.

J1ceasar
06-13-2020, 01:34 PM
By the way how many blacks were killed by black policeman last year ?does anyone know the statistics?

Arl
06-13-2020, 01:51 PM
Well said thank you

OrangeBlossomBaby
06-13-2020, 02:14 PM
Your 'systemic issue' will never be resolved. You cannot pass a law to make people feel differently or to eliminate prejudice and/or racism. Humans, just as animals will almost always gravitate toward their own kind. That is human characteristic. In depth background checks can only weed out past actions, it cannot weed out a persons true feelings. I'd say there are very few people, if any that could forget religion, color, nationality or anything else about their personal makeup.

The underlined bolded is utter tripe.

1. Humans ARE animals.
2. Brown dogs don't "almost always gravitate" to other brown dogs, cows with spots don't "almost always gravitate" to other cows with spots, long-haired cats don't "almost always gravitate" to other long-haired cats - you get the idea. Cats almost always gravitate to other cats. Humans almost always gravitate to other humans.

That's as far as you can take it, when using the term "almost always gravitate" with regards to animals other than humans.

Humans, on the other hand, tend to be more selective than almost any other animal in the kingdom. And it isn't always similar traits - there's a reason the phrase "opposites attract" exists.

Ritabob
06-13-2020, 03:11 PM
Nobody on the left wants to listen to listen to Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. These two black men are too intelligent and too factual for them. They would rather have Sharpton ranting and raving. By the way, what does Sharpton do to earn his money?

Stu from NYC
06-13-2020, 04:14 PM
Nobody on the left wants to listen to listen to Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. These two black men are too intelligent and too factual for them. They would rather have Sharpton ranting and raving. By the way, what does Sharpton do to earn his money?

He is paid to inflame the rabble. Does he earn it? Depends upon your point of view.

Personally think he should be in prison for tax evasion.

Dahabs
06-14-2020, 04:28 AM
So you refer me to a left leaning publication. I started looking at the “charts and graphs”. For example one showing the disparity between the percentage of blacks in the population and in prison vs whites. Black males make up roughly 6% of the population yet commit more than 50% of the murders in the US and over 40% of the violent crimes. Therefore there should be a disproportionate percentage of blacks in prison. The chart on prison time for minor offenses fails to differentiate between those with priors (three strike law) Look at the actual numbers, not a left wing publication’s interpretation of them.

Sure. Publication is rated as center left so let's dismiss it as useless propaganda and go back to Tucker and Sean on Fox.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
06-14-2020, 06:50 AM
I used to think that way as well. Need to dig deeper into the underlying issues such as poverty, systemic and institutionalized racism. Just because there are many black on black homicides does not mean police killings should be ignored. Need to get out from our cocoon.

On the whole, police killings of unarmed people are not ignored. Most of the time those officers are prosecuted just like the officers involved in Minneapolis.

The problem is that most of the perpetrators of black on black killings never stand trial.

And if you have 1,000 people killed by one group and 19 killed by another, why is all of the attention being focused on the small group.

By he way, institutional racism is illegal in this country. If you know of an example you should report it to the local DA.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
06-14-2020, 07:00 AM
I totally reject the idea that "the reason" for the protests and riots is police brutality, in and of itself. Police brutality is a symptom of the racism that still exits throughout our society. The flagrant killing of George Floyd was merely the catalyst for the protests. The rest of your OP is, to me, more twisted logic and refusal to admit that the actual "problem" always had it's roots in racism.

The problem with this argument is that there is not one shred of evidence that shows that the killing of George Floyd was racially motivated.

Bad police work? Yes. A horrible, brutal killing? Yes. Unnecessary overuse of force? Probably.

But did Derek Chauvin kill him because he was black? We don't know but it's more likely that it was over a dispute in pay for a security job that they both worked. These two men had a history.

Bay Kid
06-14-2020, 07:43 AM
The parents need to teach respect and then they might not be shot. Just common sense.

Cheiro
06-14-2020, 08:13 AM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

You are quite correct. All these events are ineffective and rather theatrical which is why they draw such crowds. Protesting is interesting and exciting and even fun, but never accomplish what the participants desire. What does, however, is the one thing that actually works. It is the one thing that is none of these things, but it does have the advantage of being effective and that one thing is......VOTE!

Swoop
06-14-2020, 11:19 AM
Sure. Publication is rated as center left so let's dismiss it as useless propaganda and go back to Tucker and Sean on Fox.
I indicated that it was left leaning (true) then proceeded to explain why the graphs they posted were based on incomplete or misleading data (true). I suggested that we look at the actual numbers that those graphs were derived from and the data that was conveniently left out.

LynneH
06-20-2020, 01:55 PM
Lets start with the big one, the reason all these protests and riots started.

Police brutality: Cops arrest about 10-12 million people per year, Last year Police killed 19 unarmed white people and 9 unarmed black people. If you say Police arrest more blacks per capita, I'll agree and remind you that blacks commit more crimes per capita. Lower your crime rate and you will lower your interaction with Police.

So if you completely eliminate Police killings of unarmed blacks, you will have reduced black deaths per year by the same amount as an average Sunday in Chicago.

Protests/Riots: Not a single black life will be saved, in fact several have been killed

Pulling down statues of Confederate Generals: Go ahead, it will have zero effect on saving black lives.

Renaming Forts: Nada, zip, zero

Defunding Police: This one is a big zero too. I've read articles saying there's too much Police in Black neighborhoods, and articles saying they need more Police. Actually, Police in many cities have lowered death rates of black shooting victims because they were instructed to take victims direct to hospitals instead of waiting for ambulances.

Autonomous Zones: If you allow armed citizens to patrol their own neighborhoods the gangs will infiltrate/bribe their way to control. Result, more killings.

All of the above is just theater, it's not going to actually solve the problem and save black lives. The biggest impact on saving black lives would be reducing the thousands of homicides committed every year by blacks on blacks.

But as Family Guy shows in video below, nobody wants to talk about that.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/2amS4-1dS0c)

You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

GoodLife
06-20-2020, 02:18 PM
You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

Last year Police killed 9 unarmed blacks, and 17 unarmed whites. Officers were charged and tried for excessive force or even homicide in some cases, in other cases not charged because shooting was justified. They get lots of training but sometimes have to make split second decisions. Sometimes they get it wrong. I doubt it can be eliminated totally.

But these deaths are a small problem when compared to civilians, both black and white, killing each other by the 1000s every year.. Want to save more lives? Fix that problem.

PugMom
06-20-2020, 04:01 PM
Walter E. Williams: The true plight of black Americans
By Walter E. Williams Jun 10, 2020

White liberals and black politicians focus most of their attention on what the police do, but how relevant is that to the overall tragedy? According to Statista, this year, 172 whites and 88 blacks have died at the hands of police. To put police shootings in a bit of perspective, in Chicago alone in 2020 there have been 1,260 shootings and 256 homicides with blacks being the primary victims. That comes to one shooting victim every three hours and one homicide victim every 15 hours. Three people in Chicago have been killed by police. If one is truly concerned about black deaths, shootings by police should figure way down on one's list – which is not to excuse bad behavior by some police officers.
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BTW - below> a picture of Walter Willams...

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ENTIRE ARTICLE>
https://www.nvdaily.com/nvdaily/walter-e-williams-the-true-plight-of-black-americans/article_c13aab1e-c8ce-56a8-9878-bd0d370f7e6d.html

love this man :coolsmiley:

Number 10 GI
06-20-2020, 04:10 PM
Yes let’s do nothing
Blame the poorest
Keep our heads in the sand
This post is well written white speak
I suggest you walk a mile in another mans moccasins

All I hear are baseless accusations, how about some solutions.

Number 10 GI
06-20-2020, 04:39 PM
All that is true......what needs to change is the mind set of the American people, employers, government and so on. When you hold down a race it will never get better.
I was talking to a worker at a AC company and still today white men get pay more then blacks or hispanic men. White men in construction advance fast then blacks and hispanic workers. Racial language is used on the job site everyday, racial language is written on the portable restrooms. Until we stop this kind of mind set things will never change. I truly did not under stand the “White Privilege” until I spoke to this worker about what goes on everyday day in all walks of live. Whether we wanna believe it or not they walk around with a target on them, they are look down at simply because of their color skin by a large portion of our communities? So until we fix that, we can not fix All Lives Matter. This FYI is not just a black issue.

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billethkid
06-20-2020, 05:51 PM
You are neglecting to offer a well thought out response to this very specific problem- Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men?

SHort answer?
They don't. They just happen to be the ones the media and special interest groups want to talk about.

Another interesting piece of information would be how many black/police encounters occur every day/month/year.

The number of blacks killed by police would be minuscule out of the total.

FBI — Table 43 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43)

Over 2 million black/african American arrests in 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Many would not have any interest to know that as it would destroy the myth the media and special interest groups prefer to portray.

Stu from NYC
06-20-2020, 06:21 PM
SHort answer?
They don't. They just happen to be the ones the media and special interest groups want to talk about.

Another interesting piece of information would be how many black/police encounters occur every day/month/year.

The number of blacks killed by police would be minuscule out of the total.

FBI — Table 43 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43)

Over 2 million black/african American arrests in 2017 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Many would not have any interest to know that as it would destroy the myth the media and special interest groups prefer to portray.

There is a much bigger problem than cops killing a few black men. I do not understand why this incredible number of arrests of Blacks is not seen as the problem.

If nothing else, less interaction of police with blacks would yield less deaths.