Houston I believe we have a problem

[Bosoxfan]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

[BS Beef]

Sounds like you quit playing. The message of "just flattening the curve" has seemingly disappeared.

I think when we have a real medical emergency on our hands you will find people believing it is the little boy that cried wolf again.

[billethkid]

The sooner we get back to 100% open the sooner we will know what we are really dealing with.

The increased testing (?) supposedly contributes to higher incidences.

The problem we see is us elders (early 80's) will have to REMAIN conservatively vigilante until there is a vaccine.

There will not be another lock down.

We will learn to live with what ever numbers result just like we do with the flu, auto deaths, et al.

[Stu from NYC]

Be interesting to see how this plays out

[tophcfa]

Be interesting to see how this plays out

Very much so, and with no good treatment and no vaccination available anytime in the foreseeable future, it's going to take some time to play out.

[Velvet]

Amazon, Walmart and Instacart anticipating with glee....

[matandch]

Yes. I agree. Nobody cares anymore. We’re doomed!

[Beyond The Wall]

More testing = More cases. Sounds like you miss Taxachusetts!

[DrBrutyle109]

Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.

[Bellavita]

Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.

[woderfulwendy1]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?
81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

[bonrich]

It took awhile but we got used to wearing seat belts, right? So, same will go for the masks, will wear them for as long as it takes to be safe. It is surprising to watch people as they exit their cars and not have a mask on, but as soon as they hit the door of a business, on goes the mask. It will be for a time until a vaccine is produced that will protect us, and it will be like getting a flu shot every year, I hope..........

[iht2209]

The smart will survive and the sheep will be lead to their demise.

[pattytracey]

No vaccine vaccine is not safe

[milling73]

People going out and about in every state signifies the general acceptance of the virus risk.

People need and want to resume their lives.
The stay-home, shutdown didn’t eradicate the virus, at the most it only slowed it down.
In the meantime the virus will spread until it runs its course, or herd immunity evolves, or a vaccine is developed.

[Bay Kid]

Just do what we are told. All will be over soon.

[Bill1701]

People from up north are still here. Why? Because they can actually get out and do stuff. That's a big gain for the economy here and a big loss for the ones up north.

[nn0wheremann]

It took awhile but we got used to wearing seat belts, right? So, same will go for the masks, will wear them for as long as it takes to be safe. It is surprising to watch people as they exit their cars and not have a mask on, but as soon as they hit the door of a business, on goes the mask. It will be for a time until a vaccine is produced that will protect us, and it will be like getting a flu shot every year, I hope..........
Well said. Your mask protects me, and for that I thank you.

[toeser]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.

[ColdNoMore]

Well said. Your mask protects me, and for that I thank you.

Ditto here. :thumbup:

[gemini5001]

To each their own. I don't criticize people who want to wear masks and keep isolated.
I do not wear masks because for me 1. It's difficult for me to breath.
2. I believe masks do not do any good, especially when I see people wearing them below their noses or on their chins.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.

That was ONE doctor who misspoke and misrepresented information from the WHO. It IS being passed by asymptomatic people, however it is very rare that they can FIND asymptomatic people who are passing it because...they are asymptomatic. The only way an asymptomatic carrier of the virus can be discovered to BE a carrier, is if they get tested.

And since they are asymptomatic, it would be a very rare occurrence for them to decide to get tested. Since, they have no symptoms, and therefore don't realize that they have any need to be concerned. So they don't get tested.

That is what the actual facts were conveying when they referred to "rare" with regards to finding asymptomatic carriers. It's rare to find them, because it's rare that they'd think to get tested.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

To each their own. I don't criticize people who want to wear masks and keep isolated.
I do not wear masks because for me 1. It's difficult for me to breath.
2. I believe masks do not do any good, especially when I see people wearing them below their noses or on their chins.

I wear my mask when I do NOT want to keep isolated. I don't need to wear it in the safety and privacy of my own home, or in my car, or when I'm out walking and no one else is around. But if I go into a building that has close quarters (like the boutiques in the town squares) then yeah that mask comes on.

[Kathi71]

Check out what is happening in Brazil where they are going with that train of thought.

[MandoMan]

The sooner we get back to 100% open the sooner we will know what we are really dealing with.

The increased testing (?) supposedly contributes to higher incidences.

The problem we see is us elders (early 80's) will have to REMAIN conservatively vigilante until there is a vaccine.

There will not be another lock down.

We will learn to live with what ever numbers result just like we do with the flu, auto deaths, et al.

And don’t forget that some vaccines aren’t 100% effective. The old shingles vaccine was only 40% effective, and the flu vaccine in many years is about the same. Would a Covid-19 vaccine restore your confidence in returning to society if it were only 40% effective?

[meridian5850]

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

My calculator comes up with .054%
(81÷150,000) = .00054
.00054 x 100 =.054% or approximately 1/20th of 1%

Still a minute number.

[Nanny32162]

I see this as a problem about which we should all be concerned. I do put lives first, not everyone would agree with me, but that’s all right.

[jnsbill]

First off I am not a healthcare professional and this is just my layman’s opinion, we have a highly contagious virus and with any virus there seems to be 2 options for ending it – complete quarantine or let nature run its course as we have been doing going back to 1918 – its now been proven that Neil Ferguson’s models have been completely wrong. We sheltered in place to flatten the curve and as far as I know no hospital in the US has been overwhelmed with cases. As to an increase in cases – well yeah because we’re doing more testing so therefore more cases, and nowhere have I found that the hospital admission rate has increased??? And with more testing the mortality rate is decreasing as a percentage of cases – yes 100,00 deaths is a sad thing and high risk people should/have to be more careful but if we don’t let it run its course then by next fall we’ll probably really get smacked.

[theruizs]

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

How many have been actually tested though. The number is likely quite higher, which means the number that get critically ill from this virus, even at our age, must be pretty low because those would have been reported. I think the real risk is if you have a history of asthma, COPD, diabetes, etc. I was in the super conservative camp through most of this, but now I am wondering if we went too far. I will still be cautious because I have a history of asthma, but not sure the world should stop to protect me. At this point, maybe we should each just protect ourselves as we think necessary and let others do the same.

[boobear51751]

Have you seen any amount of testing sites here in TV? No, they do not test here for a reason. If the numbers were real numbers then the sales of homes would drop, money would stop flowing into TV. Why won't they test everyone. There is no shortage of test kits and this population deserves to know how we stand. I lost a dear friend to this virus and he died alone with only eyes behind a mask to bid him farewell. No family or friends by his side. Now, say to yourself if this were my brother, sister, mother or father how would I like to see them die?...... Alone? This is not just the flu or a car crash. We have surpassed the number of flu deaths weeks ago. U.S. has won the most death contest in the world. We need to step back and stop opening up things so fast.

One needs to read the history on other pandemics to understand how this is going to play out. Yes, the reading is a little heavy and very scientific, but it tells the true story. We are not out of the wood and won't be for years. Some of us won't even be here to see the outcome, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Wear your mask at all times.

[collector0915]

The key is not so much the number of tests coming back positive but in the PERCENTAGE of tests that are positive.
Obviously more testing is sure to result in more positive numbers but we need to look at the percentage numbers to
get the real picture of how the virus is spreading.

[haysus7]

Thank you❤️

[024engine]

If you don't want to go places, don't go, but don't tell me where I can go. I am not going to give up doing what gives me pleasure. There may never be a vaccine in my lifetime.

[forebubba]

Ask yourself why...the US has 3% of the world's population but 30% of the deaths due to covid

[theruizs]

To each their own. I don't criticize people who want to wear masks and keep isolated.
I do not wear masks because for me 1. It's difficult for me to breath.
2. I believe masks do not do any good, especially when I see people wearing them below their noses or on their chins.

Those most at risk wouldn’t need to stay quite so isolated if everyone wore a mask. The mask is to protect others from you more than you from them. That’s been the main point from day one. No one knows if they are Presymptomatic and asymptomatic and both can spread the virus, the mask dramatically reduces that. They are finding now that wearing one provides more protection to the wearer than first thought, but the primary reason is still to protect others. Why would you not want to do that just because it is a little hard to breathe?

[GoodLife]

Ask yourself why...the US has 3% of the world's population but 30% of the deaths due to covid

For starters, this guy is a big fat liar.

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[Joe C.]

Just because someone tests positive, doesn't mean that they are going to die from it.
A person can be positive, and not even know it.
So with this in mind...….

I'm not afraid
I'm not worried
I really don't give a damn,

and

I'm getting on with LIVING!!!

[theruizs]

How many have been actually tested though. The number is likely quite higher, which means the number that get critically ill from this virus, even at our age, must be pretty low because those would have been reported. I think the real risk is if you have a history of asthma, COPD, diabetes, etc. I was in the super conservative camp through most of this, but now I am wondering if we went too far. I will still be cautious because I have a history of asthma, but not sure the world should stop to protect me. At this point, maybe we should each just protect ourselves as we think necessary and let others do the same.

But to clarify, that doesn’t mean I believe we should not take reasonable steps to protect each other. Things can open up and start getting back to somewhat normal and still be taking precautions like social distancing and wearing masks.

[DonnaNi4os]

People are becoming complacent. They are tired of this virus but this virus isn’t tired of us. No nation can endure a lockdown forever and it is inevitable that businesses and attractions would open. Because they have, the number of cases has risen. It was recently Memorial Day gatherings and now protests where people have been in close contact that likely is the reason the numbers are increasing. Let’s not forget the recent space launch where people ignored social distancing. Gov DeSantis said yesterday in his press conference that it has been young people who typically can fight off the virus that account for the increase. The problem with that is that they become seeds that scatter to older, at risk people. So, if this virus does what is anticipated, I suspect we will see an uptick in older populations within the next few weeks. As for an increase because of testing, that isn’t exactly accurate, and WHO’s irresponsible message that masks aren’t necessary has been contradicted by so many Infectious Disease experts.

We each get to choose our level of comfort. If you are at risk, stay home. If you choose to go out and about, be smart about it. So, I will do what is best for myself which is to only go out when necessary and to interact only with a small circle of friends who agree to wear masks if we gather. And, most importantly, I will wear a mask when it is necessary to go out. I respectfully request that others wear masks when going out and about as well. It is the responsible and kind thing to do. We can get through this difficult time. We are resilient and intelligent. We may have more cases in the US than any other country, but we also have a much larger population too so that is no surprise. Hang in there everyone, respect one another. We will get through this.

[oneclickplus]

People going out and about in every state signifies the general acceptance of the virus risk.

People need and want to resume their lives.
The stay-home, shutdown didn’t eradicate the virus, at the most it only slowed it down.
In the meantime the virus will spread until it runs its course, or herd immunity evolves, or a vaccine is developed.

Slowing it down was the goal (flatten the curve, remember?). Now they are trying to move the goal posts. I believe it may be God's judgement on a sinful nation. But, if anyone doesn't believe in God and prefers the Darwinian explanation for our existence, let's open everything up and let "survival of the fittest" play out. That's what the schools teach our kids. Hiding from the virus is practically hypocritical. Open everything. Take off the masks. Shake hands when you meet someone. A polite hug / cheek kiss when you meet the relatives. Let's get back to normal.

[Villages Kahuna]

There will not be another lock down.

Don’t count on it.

[asianthree]

Lots of first time posters.......

[Villages Kahuna]

I am not going to give up doing what gives me pleasure. There may never be a vaccine in my lifetime.
Keep that up and it’s almost certain you won’t benefit from a vaccine in your lifetime.

[72lions]

Just because someone tests positive, doesn't mean that they are going to die from it.
A person can be positive, and not even know it.
So with this in mind...….

I'm not afraid
I'm not worried
I really don't give a damn,

and

I'm getting on with LIVING!!!

That’s fine, but if your living involves close encounters with me, you better give a damn and wear a mask. Of course, if you’re just another selfish, entitled Villager, that ain’t going to happen.

[Dana1963]

The reason nothing closes with the common flu is that there is a vaccine available annually, anti vaccine group that choose not to receive it suffer consequences There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.

[Eg_cruz]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?
Since when are restaurants open at 100%......phase two is 50% inside 100% outside

[JoMar]

Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.

Now that's just wrong

[Mohawksin]

Corona death counting just got more confusing: YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqtwSBY8CCc)

[skyking]

Some are afraid to die. Others are afraid to live.

[lindaelane]

More testing = more cases recorded whether or not there actually are more. And yes, we have been doing more testing every day.

There probably are a few more, but we can't stay locked down the 12-18 months it would take to get a vaccine. That would be more fatal that the disease itself.

Right now, for under 65s in the USA, the chance of dying from Covid is lower than the chance of driving/riding in a car 16-17 miles each day. We do not forbid such people to use cars, so why forbid them to work, eat out, etc.

Not sure about chances for over 65s. Anyway, its up to each person - they can always stay home, shop at the 7am senior grocery hour, use telemedicine, etc., if they wish.

[MKDiva]

Go for it!!

[Jacob85]

Yes I see a problem. We can’t trust authorities to do what is necessary to keep us safe so we are going to have to take care of ourselves. They prefer to stick their head in the sand and pretend the virus is gone which it obviously is not!

[Stu from NYC]

Yes I see a problem. We can’t trust authorities to do what is necessary to keep us safe so we are going to have to take care of ourselves. They prefer to stick their head in the sand and pretend the virus is gone which it obviously is not!

Unfortunately one of their main priorities if not the biggest is getting reelected.

As a result they pander and pander in order to get votes.

We desperately need term limits or citizens willing to vote them out of office.

[ColdNoMore]

go for it!!

While I would personally prefer it if everyone that might be around me were constantly tested and made to wear their masks, so I didn't have to, I guess if I were a true American Patriot...I should just adopt the philosophy of YOLO! :D

[jebartle]

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

Hmmmm! Thought a female died??

[merrymini]

I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Lock yourself away in a closet and stay there, if that is what you want to do but it does not allow you to dictate to others. Apparently, what we hear from experts isn’t much better than listening to grandma. How can anyone put faith in comments from WHO, CDC, or that idiot Ferguson, who has been wrong more than right. I am happy to see things opened again.FREEDOM!

[photo1902]

I am so sick and tired of hearing it. Lock yourself away in a closet and stay there, if that is what you want to do but it does not allow you to dictate to others. Apparently, what we hear from experts isn’t much better than listening to grandma. How can anyone put faith in comments from WHO, CDC, or that idiot Ferguson, who has been wrong more than right. I am happy to see things opened again.FREEDOM!

Exactly!!!

[jimjamuser]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?
Yes, Bigley problemo. I can see a rise in the current 1st wave and a 2nd, maybe, worse wave in the Fall/Winter combo CV and seasonal flu season. Fl has been undercounting our cases so it hid this recent graph of cases curve steepening now. So, Fl is LESS prepared than with honest counting. The closing, then opening etc. may hurt and cost society more than NYC did by being cautious and CONSERVATIVE. Being secretive and non-transparent is NOT the way to defeat a virus like this. You need medical science. logic and real numbers. Put Dr. Fauci in charge and forget the politics of the situation.

[jimjamuser]

Yes. I agree. Nobody cares anymore. We’re doomed!
Everybody knows, the deck is stacked
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
That's how it goes, everybody knows

[jimjamuser]

Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.
Actually it will help all of society, even the individual that may not wear their mask. It might prevent one's own torturous DEATH, an unnecessary, preventable DEATH !

[jimjamuser]

Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.
You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.

[ColdNoMore]

You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.
DITTO! :thumbup:



Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.

It's not just you...we're right there with ya. :thumbup:

[jimjamuser]

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.
What about the torturous Death unnecessarily carried to them by non-mask wearing, non-distancing people. Was that right? Is it too much to ask for mask-wearing? Medical experts state that if 60% of all people wore their masks 60% of the time, that CV could be traced and disappear.

[Two Bills]

Slowing it down was the goal (flatten the curve, remember?). Now they are trying to move the goal posts. I believe it may be God's judgement on a sinful nation.But, if anyone doesn't believe in God and prefers the Darwinian explanation for our existence, let's open everything up and let "survival of the fittest" play out. That's what the schools teach our kids. Hiding from the virus is practically hypocritical. Open everything. Take off the masks. Shake hands when you meet someone. A polite hug / cheek kiss when you meet the relatives. Let's get back to normal.

:ohdear:

[jimjamuser]

There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.
Many children HAVE already died and we are in the early innings of CV. And YES asymptomatic can pass it. And nonsymptomatic can readily pass CV 2 days before they develop symptoms. That IS PART of why this CV is so DEARLY.

[jimjamuser]

Have you seen any amount of testing sites here in TV? No, they do not test here for a reason. If the numbers were real numbers then the sales of homes would drop, money would stop flowing into TV. Why won't they test everyone. There is no shortage of test kits and this population deserves to know how we stand. I lost a dear friend to this virus and he died alone with only eyes behind a mask to bid him farewell. No family or friends by his side. Now, say to yourself if this were my brother, sister, mother or father how would I like to see them die?...... Alone? This is not just the flu or a car crash. We have surpassed the number of flu deaths weeks ago. U.S. has won the most death contest in the world. We need to step back and stop opening up things so fast.

One needs to read the history on other pandemics to understand how this is going to play out. Yes, the reading is a little heavy and very scientific, but it tells the true story. We are not out of the wood and won't be for years. Some of us won't even be here to see the outcome, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Wear your mask at all times.
Sorry Bear, about your friend. It is said to be a not-so-good way to go. Yes, greed and fear are big human motivators. Right today Greed is winning.

[jimjamuser]

Ask yourself why...the US has 3% of the world's population but 30% of the deaths due to covid
Because it is a hoax. Can't you know?

[jimjamuser]

People are becoming complacent. They are tired of this virus but this virus isn’t tired of us. No nation can endure a lockdown forever and it is inevitable that businesses and attractions would open. Because they have, the number of cases has risen. It was recently Memorial Day gatherings and now protests where people have been in close contact that likely is the reason the numbers are increasing. Let’s not forget the recent space launch where people ignored social distancing. Gov DeSantis said yesterday in his press conference that it has been young people who typically can fight off the virus that account for the increase. The problem with that is that they become seeds that scatter to older, at risk people. So, if this virus does what is anticipated, I suspect we will see an uptick in older populations within the next few weeks. As for an increase because of testing, that isn’t exactly accurate, and WHO’s irresponsible message that masks aren’t necessary has been contradicted by so many Infectious Disease experts.

We each get to choose our level of comfort. If you are at risk, stay home. If you choose to go out and about, be smart about it. So, I will do what is best for myself which is to only go out when necessary and to interact only with a small circle of friends who agree to wear masks if we gather. And, most importantly, I will wear a mask when it is necessary to go out. I respectfully request that others wear masks when going out and about as well. It is the responsible and kind thing to do. We can get through this difficult time. We are resilient and intelligent. We may have more cases in the US than any other country, but we also have a much larger population too so that is no surprise. Hang in there everyone, respect one another. We will get through this.
Well written and empathetic. Maybe you could run for some government office. I would vote for that logic.

[Huskies]

Yes I see a big problem with all these openings going on. It’s not a great idea since the numbers are going up again since Memorial Day weekend. It’s horrible to see so many people without masks with no feelings about other people who have bad health conditions.

[Madelaine Amee]

I saw my cardiologist this past week. We had a discussion about Covid. He told me that the people wearing the masks and protecting themselves in public probably don't need to, and those choosing not to wear masks probably need to.

Awful lot of old men don't wear masks!!!! I've even seen people in wheel chairs not wearing a mask. :ohdear:

Personally, I really don't care what others do, I just do the best I can for myself.

[photo1902]

I saw my cardiologist this past week. We had a discussion about Covid. He told me that the people wearing the masks and protecting themselves in public probably don't need to, and those choosing not to wear masks probably need to.

Awful lot of old men don't wear masks!!!! I've even seen people in wheel chairs not wearing a mask. :ohdear:

Personally, I really don't care what others do, I just do the best I can for myself.

But I thought we’ve all been told that wearing a mask is to protect others... not the wearer. Has that now changed?

[twinklesweep]

Generally speaking—and keeping as clear as we can be—people seem to think in one of two ways. This doesn’t mean that anyone thinks 100 percent one way or the other. Read the two quotes and see if you identify with one more than the other—or mostly with one or the other.

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

What about the torturous Death unnecessarily carried to them by non-mask wearing, non-distancing people. Was that right? Is it too much to ask for mask-wearing? Medical experts state that if 60% of all people wore their masks 60% of the time, that CV could be traced and disappear.

Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!

[billethkid]

Where is the surge being measured from the social distancing exempt group?

You know the hundreds of thousands of shoulder to shoulder protestors.

Funny how that issue does not get much coverage.

[jimjamuser]

Generally speaking—and keeping as clear as we can be—people seem to think in one of two ways. This doesn’t mean that anyone thinks 100 percent one way or the other. Read the two quotes and see if you identify with one more than the other—or mostly with one or the other.





Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!
Better to give up on your surgeon!

[jarodrig]

Survival of the fittest .... always has been , always will be ....so, let’s get on with life , if you dare ... ;)

[BS Beef]

Given the current state of Covid-19, as far as masks are concerned, when my surgeons and their OR staffs find them unnecessary to prevent contagion, then I may give up mine!

So you’re never giving up your mask? Ever? You’re aware they wear more than just a mask, right? Hope you’re not being irresponsible and going out in public In anything less than full PPE.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I agree with the posters that have said that we have had more testing done and that will give us more positive results.

But another thing to remember is many, if not most, of those cases that were reported yesterday were contracted up to fourteen days ago. It's not like we opened up and all those people got the virus that day. Some of those cases occurred two weeks ago before phase two began.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You go Bellaperson! Well-spoken.

The latest from the Corona Task Force says that it is almost impossible to catch the virus by touching surfaces. So all that hand washing and sanitizing evidently was for nothing.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It took awhile but we got used to wearing seat belts, right? So, same will go for the masks, will wear them for as long as it takes to be safe. It is surprising to watch people as they exit their cars and not have a mask on, but as soon as they hit the door of a business, on goes the mask. It will be for a time until a vaccine is produced that will protect us, and it will be like getting a flu shot every year, I hope..........

The latest from the Corona Task force says that it is very difficult to catch the virus outdoors and almost impossible to catch it when the temperature is over 77 degrees.

Masks are basically to protect other people. The virus will go through most masks. But a mask will slow down the expulsion rate of the virus coming from the person wearing the mask. In other words, some of the virus might get through but it will not travel as far.

[GoodLife]

Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

Hmmmmm The average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. What happened 5-6 days before June 12, when you posted this?

These Images Show Just How Massive the Floyd Protests Were on Saturday
By Daniel Politi
June 06, 20208:25 PM

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[ts12755]

Our people need to get their lives back outbreak or no outbreak. The very old and the very sick need to stay home. Especially the old people that don't work anymore or have children in school.

[ColdNoMore]

If any meaningful contact tracing program were in place, we could find out what % the Floyd protests...contributed to the rise in Covid-19 cases.

And I'm sure that many people gathering, a lot without masks...certainly resulted in at least some additional cases.

But the fact that the virus is now reaching and increasing cases in rural areas, where no protests ever occurred, simply tries to once again...obfuscate and throw out red herrings in an attempt to blame only one demographic.

Not that fair, decent & intelligent folks...are surprised in the least. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

If any meaningful contact tracing program were in place, we could find out what % the Floyd protests...contributed to the rise in Covid-19 cases.

And I'm sure that many people gathering, a lot without masks...certainly resulted in at least some additional cases.

But the fact that the virus is now reaching and increasing cases in rural areas, where no protests ever occurred, simply tries to once again...obfuscate and throw out red herrings in an attempt to blame only one demographic.

Not that fair, decent & intelligent folks...are surprised in the least. :ohdear:

Experts Fear Large Protests Could Lead to Spike in COVID-19 Cases

“Things like yelling, speaking loudly, chanting can increase the number of droplets that are exposed,” said Abby Rudolph, an epidemiologist at Temple University. “Police tactics like teargas and pepper spray increase the risk of coughing and expelling mucus and droplets in the air.”

Experts Fear Large Protests Could Lead to Spike in COVID-19 Cases – NBC10 Philadelphia (https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/experts-fear-large-protests-could-lead-to-spike-in-covid-19-cases/2419196/)

[GoodLife]

But the fact that the virus is now reaching and increasing cases in rural areas, where no protests ever occurred, simply tries to once again...obfuscate and throw out red herrings in an attempt to blame only one demographic.

Are you sure it's only increasing in rural areas? We know that kids never drive into the big cities when there are massive protests. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

As we have seen, the media picks and chooses which states they want to portray as doing a good job or a bad job on virus control. Even though Florida has managed the pandemic much better than New York, it gets attacked in the press repeatedly.

Now they are running stories about spikes of cases in various states and appear to put the blame on reopening too early. Comparing graphs of new cases in Florida and New York gives a better understanding.

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Look at that huge spike! 2500 new cases in one day!

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Look how good New York is doing, they've gone down from 12,000 new cases per day to 2000, great job!

I don't know if the Florida spike is an anomaly from backlogged tests or if its a sign the virus is resurging. If it's a resurge I would certainly take a look at huge protests that have been taking place for past two weeks as a source for new infections.

There has been no big spike in Sumter County, 4 new cases in past week. There also haven't been any huge protests either.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/county/county_reports_latest.pdf

[Bay Kid]

They are just getting to testing in rural areas, plus city folks are escaping to the rural areas from all directions.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I have been going to the restaurants and they have been spacing tables and staff have been masked , but you look up at bar especially outside bars and it’s just like before the virus hit.. I do feel safe in restaurant here’s a little tip before you go into bathroom put on your mask , it’s close inside of bathroom, and people from even off the street are using them

[Everett Rhyner]

I think that’s a good idea that’ll take care of some of the traffic problem in the January February and March they should re-open everything

[MEbner2805]

That’s the entire Sumter county mind you! People love to spread doom and gloom and the facts say otherwise here. We can’t shut the world down forever and after a while the shutdown is more destructive than the virus. We had a high death rate of 2018 flu and nobody complained so not sure why the hysteria is occurring right now. People can’t survive if they do not work. Businesses will all close and the ignorance will surely backfire. Common sense approach is best.

[Clydles1]

Got stuck in a rally at LSL this afternoon. No one, and I mean no one, had a mask. I realize they were in golf carts but come on, yes it’s going to be around for a while but let’s not be stupid people!

[Carlsondm]

The sooner we get back to 100% open the sooner we will know what we are really dealing with.

The increased testing (?) supposedly contributes to higher incidences.

The problem we see is us elders (early 80's) will have to REMAIN conservatively vigilante until there is a vaccine.

There will not be another lock down.

We will learn to live with what ever numbers result just like we do with the flu, auto deaths, et al.
Increased testing contributes to higher incidences? Hahaha. You are SO funny.

Nationwide statistics already hint at which states are slumping on the testing. The important number should be the % of deaths per total positives. Florida skimped on the testing so it shows a higher % of deaths per positives. The more general testing to locate the asymptomatic COVID carriers, the lower the percent deaths would be for Florida. Many Govs realized this.

At any rate, our numbers are still climbing so be careful.

[ColdNoMore]

Got stuck in a rally at LSL this afternoon. No one, and I mean no one, had a mask. I realize they were in golf carts but come on, yes it’s going to be around for a while but let’s not be stupid people!

Of late, and since I can't change their minds anyway, I'm leaning more toward "if a certain part of the herd wants to thin themselves out...let'em go for it." :D

I'll just keep wearing my mask and do everything possible to avoid others, especially those...who don't seem to care about anyone but themselves. :ohdear:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Yesterday, there was one additional case reported "near the Villages". It was in Lady Lake. So far the number of cases in The Villages has remained stagnant. Mo new cases in the past week in spite of more testing.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Got stuck in a rally at LSL this afternoon. No one, and I mean no one, had a mask. I realize they were in golf carts but come on, yes it’s going to be around for a while but let’s not be stupid people!

I'll say it again. The Corona Task Force has stated that the risk of contracting the virus outdoors is very low and it is almost impossible to contract it when the temperature is above 77 degrees F.

Am I the only one that has heard this report?

[Linda Taranto]

I remain cautious, my husband is in a Memory Care facility and I haven’t seen him (except through the window) since the beginning of March. I just got tested (negative) as a requirement for going to his room and seeing him in person. I will also need to remain cautious when I am not in the facility. I am so thankful that we are finally getting to this point because this sweet people in memory care facilities have no contact with their loved ones and don’t understand. Many are declining and many are dying. Where they live I call God’s Waiting Room. They won’t be getting better.
So everyone has their own story or reality, let’s respect each other’s opinion and view.

[JoelJohnson]

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

The right metric is deaths over total outcomes. Until we know the outcome of those that tested positive for COVID-19, we don't know much. They might recover or they might die, we have to wait to find out. But if we know the total number of deaths and the number of recovered then we can determine the death rate.
If we go with about 3,000 deaths and 23,000 recovered in Fl, then we get 23,000 + 3,000 = 26,000 (Total outcomes). 3,000 / 26,000 = .115 or 11.5%.

So about 12 people out of 100 die.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Increased testing contributes to higher incidences? Hahaha. You are SO funny.

Nationwide statistics already hint at which states are slumping on the testing. The important number should be the % of deaths per total positives. Florida skimped on the testing so it shows a higher % of deaths per positives. The more general testing to locate the asymptomatic COVID carriers, the lower the percent deaths would be for Florida. Many Govs realized this.

At any rate, our numbers are still climbing so be careful.

Sorry to disagree, but the number of deaths is irrelevant. For one thing it will be tied to the demographics of the area. In an area with an elderly population like The Villages we can expect to see a much higher death rate.
The other thing that the death rate doesn't take into consideration is the number of people hospitalized, or the number of people whose lungs have been permanently damaged by ventilators.
Where do you get that Florida has skimped on testing?

[GoodLife]

The right metric is deaths over total outcomes. Until we know the outcome of those that tested positive for COVID-19, we don't know much. They might recover or they might die, we have to wait to find out. But if we know the total number of deaths and the number of recovered then we can determine the death rate.
If we go with about 3,000 deaths and 23,000 recovered in Fl, then we get 23,000 + 3,000 = 26,000 (Total outcomes). 3,000 / 26,000 = .115 or 11.5%.

So about 12 people out of 100 die.

Might want to contact the CDC about your calculations. Their current overall death rate for all age groups is 0.4%. The only age group over 1% death rate is over 65 at 1.3%

When you include CDC projected 35% additional asymptomatic cases, the overall death rate for all ages is .26%

COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html)

CDC's Latest 'Best Estimate' of COVID Death Rate Is 13 Times Lower Than Initial WHO Claim (https://www.westernjournal.com/cdcs-latest-best-estimate-covid-death-rate-13-times-lower-initial-claim/)