The Big Con

[PennBF]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.

[Bucco]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

If you have been reading this forum, and paying attention to the news of the day, then you know what the Big Con is.

This was bad when I recall being involved...now it's impossible, and promises to simply get worse. Each side of the issue have promised violence in the streets in November. It has been galvanized and the world watches as we wait for somebody, anybody to step up and at least try.

Seeing posts today with folks not even knowing about the various groups involved in the stress. And nobody is even trying.

When you hear foreign governments who are watching express sadness for what has been wrought (and by the way, was and is the ultimate goal of some, both inside and outside our borders, and they are not even shy about saying it now and listen to their words about the USA, you get the dRk picture.

We had cracks in our society. They are now huge, and again....the only words are promises of more grief for the future and again, nobody even try's to heal.

[Bucco]

In celebration of this years class at our Military Academy....this is the motto for the academy...


A Cadet will not lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate those who do."

Should everyone TRY to live to this standard, there is NO con

[BS Beef]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.

I’m not trying to stir the pot but it’s just a statistical fact. Of course there are kids that thrive in single parent households and kids that fail miserably in 2-parent families. But statistically 2-parent households have a big advantage.

[Stu from NYC]

I’m not trying to stir the pot but it’s just a statistical fact. Of course there are kids that thrive in single parent households and kids that fail miserably in 2-parent families. But statistically 2-parent households have a big advantage.

You are totally correct. Some people will disagree just to disagree.

[retiredguy123]

You are totally correct. Some people will disagree just to disagree.
I agree. Another "fact" that you don't hear much about is that 75 percent of African American children are raised by an unwed single parent.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

[Steve9930]

What do they expect? 60% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. What do people expect when you take the discipline out of schools? What do expect from a society that believes you can kill a new born? What do expect from poor parenting? What do you expect when you continually tell certain groups you can't compete in society without my help? There is a group of young people where education has failed them, have no respect for anything, spoiled, and lost.

[ColdNoMore]

All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS".

I'm guessing that you don't realize the sad irony/hypocrisy of talking about "LABELS," in the same sentence...where you've done just that? :oops:

As for changing something that might make a difference, how about we start with attitudes, bias' and prejudices...that LABEL ALL of anyone or anything a certain way? :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

What do they expect? 60% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. What do people expect when you take the discipline out of schools? What do expect from a society that believes you can kill a new born? What do expect from poor parenting? What do you expect when you continually tell certain groups you can't compete in society without my help? There is a group of young people where education has failed them, have no respect for anything, spoiled, and lost.

What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here) (http://www.innocenceproject.org/what-wrongful-convictions-teach-us-about-racial-inequality/)

Many of the consequences of how race affects the larger criminal justice system can be seen in innocence-related efforts.

An analysis of the 297 DNA exonerations reveals minorities make up approximately 70% of those proven innocent through DNA testing.

Similarly, African-Americans represent the vast majority of these exonerations – 63% of those exonerated by DNA testing.

Simply a coincidence?

I don't think so. :ohdear:

[Polar Bear]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion...
No. Claiming that statistically a “solid 2-parent family” is not more beneficial to children than a single parent home is a really stupid insertion. And I mean REALLY stupid.

[ColdNoMore]

No. Claiming statistically a “solid 2-parent family” is not more beneficial to children than a single parent home is a really stupid insertion. And I mean REALLY stupid.

So stay married...regardless?

Now THAT is REALLY... :oops:



Fighting Parents (click here) (http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/contemplating-divorce/200911/divorce-doesnt-harm-children-parents-fighting-harms-child)

Divorce Doesn't Harm Children - Parents Fighting Harms Child.

Children exposed to even mild levels of tension between parents suffer.

[Burgy]

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

[mykvalentin]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
Below is a link of a video of condensed interview of few famous, prominent black people from different walks of life, sharing their different perspective.
What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEbUMX1uug)

What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEbUMX1uug)

[RichS$]

The agenda is clear. Corporate America has now stepped up to the tune of 3/4billion dollars to all of these black non-profits.

[billyb1950]

Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

[Maryc7878]

Thank you for the video link. Very informative. Many men giving their perspective. As Denzel Washington states, it all starts with the family.

My six year old grandson has no idea what color his friend is, what ethnicity or religion he might be. He just knows he likes his friend, they like to do things together.
Maybe we can learn from our grandchildren. It is their future we should be trying to build.

[MandoMan]

I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

A fat check, free housing, free food and drugs.

[ColdNoMore]

Thank you for the video link. Very informative. Many men giving their perspective. As Denzel Washington states, it all starts with the family.

My six year old grandson has no idea what color his friend is, what ethnicity or religion he might be. He just knows he likes his friend, they like to do things together.
Maybe we can learn from our grandchildren. It is their future we should be trying to build.

Exactly. :thumbup:

Hate, racism, bigotry and prejudice aren't born with our children...it's totally taught. :ohdear:

[Dahabs]

Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

Lemmings can be found on both sides of the spectrum. Don't even have to look that hard. :icon_wink:

[billyb1950]

to the contrary...stats show many of the inner city children (white, brown or black) are born out of wedlock. No divorce necessary. Some of the children never know who their fathers are. The fathers roam the streets impregnating women and shirk their fatherly duties. They know the government (or gangs like The Crips and MS 13) will take care of raising their mistakes.

[mydavid]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear: Another white person pointing out how black people should be.:shocked:

[transplanted]

There isn't a real plan. Personally, I believe that there will be no progress until both sides of the issue come to the table with concrete proposals of what each will give as well as take. I don't believe you can legislate this, nor force a one-sided solution down anyone's throat. I think the current over-the-top acquiescence by politicians in and out of Congress is only to save their jobs in this election year, and to ingratiate the population they are heavily courting. Celebrities busy trying to portray their superior moral authority with their nonsense yapping about what they are gonna do (nothing, but donate money that they need to write off as charity for taxes anyway) may fool some because a 'name' is attached to their cause... see if it puts food on your plate. I believe we missed out on a big opportunity to have the races more fully integrate at the childhood level in schools, 50 years ago, when you-know-who joined with the segregationists in supporting stopping busing for that purpose. Those who went through that experience have fared much better in jobs and even health, than their counterparts who didn't get that opportunity to get to know others in everyday interactions and get a more solid education. So - bottom line, I think the current method of trying to solve this is only creating even more hate and discontent where it was and creating it where it wasn't. I for one am very angry that I can't buy a copy of the Oscar winning movie Gone With the Wind on Amazon, but I can buy a DVD called All Cops are Bastards. (just a very small example that I thought I could give without getting into anything heavy). No offense intended to anyone, we all have our own opinions and though we may not agree - it's okay, I still enjoy living here and have very much enjoyed being away (for the most part) from the overwhelming political nonsense I lived in, in DC. It's much less stressful here!

[Bwolf1]

So stay married...regardless?

Now THAT is REALLY... :oops:



Fighting Parents (click here) (http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/contemplating-divorce/200911/divorce-doesnt-harm-children-parents-fighting-harms-child)

Staying married is not the issue here. 75% don’t even consider getting married.

[garynarramore]

Know God, know peace. No God, no peace.

[J1ceasar]

a majority of single parents with children or however white on social welfare

[camaguey48]

I'm told that bookstores have not been looted.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1783776]What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here) (http://www.innocenceproject.org/what-wrongful-convictions-teach-us-about-racial-inequality/)


[SIZE="3"]
Simply a coincidence?


Not a coincidence at all. When you have one group committing most of the crimes, then the majority to be exonerated by DNA evidence will be that same group.

Here's an example: You have two groups of people. Group A is convicted of committing 20% of all crimes and group B is convicted 80% of all crimes. We know that some of those convictions were wrong because the justice system nor human beings are not perfect. So we find that 5% of those convictions are overturned by DNA evidence. 80% of those overturned conviction are from group B.

The other thing here is what percentage of convictions in this country are overturned by DNA evidence? I couldn't find that but since 1989 there have been 367 conviction overturned by DNA evidence.

That doesn't seem like a large enough sample size to determine anything.

[drhntr8]

When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

[cmeinel@verizon.net]

To stop the protest is simple. Stop giving them media attention.

[Debi-G]

There are many households with just one parent. I came from a broken home and have NEVER not even once in my lifetime thought about stealing or rioting to loot and vandalize someone's property that they have worked hard to attain, just because I felt that life wasn't fair. Where you come from is no excuse for the choices you make in life. There are too many successful people, and many are black, to hold any water with that theory. I have a sister in-law who also came from a broken home. Her mother raised 7 children and worked two jobs to do so. NONE of them turned out to be thugs like those we have seen on tv lately. Two of those 7 children went to college on scholarships that they EARNED. She ended up being a nurse, and has been for two decades. And she chose to have twins in-vitro with no father figure and those children turned out fine. One is in college on a scholarship and the other has chosen to be a cosmetologist and has a thriving business. We need to teach all children that they need to apply themselves in school and prepare to get an education to be able to get a job when they graduate. And graduating is important. Parents need to be PARENTS and stop trying to be their children's friends. They have plenty of those already.

[rlcooper70]

If you examine the efforts to help the black community since the 1960s ... you will see a long list including changes to our laws, to our schools, preferential mortgages and school applications, medicaid, busing, pre-school and after-school programs, etc etc. And they are little better off. Your missive seems to suggest nothing has been done of substance. What are you missing?

[Slakeforest]

Another person that lumps everyone in the same category. Of course the officer that committed murder should be held accountable. The last I hear is he has been arrested and charged with several crimes, including murder. He is being held and awaiting trial. What more should be done immediately, "defund police". What a crazy suggestion. So let me understand, all police are bad and we should get rid of all of them.......hmmmm.....great idea. So when there is a case of domestic violence, or a shooting, or vandalism, who should one call? Oh yeah,.....neighborhood watch.

[Guitarman1951]

I can't disagree with you. All the bad things, deaths, looting burning, that the protesters have done has erased any credibility they may have had otherwise. Trying to change our history by erasing it doesn't change the future especially if doing so only further alienates a substantial portion of the population. The truth is that these people really have no common sense suggestions. For instance, instead of seeing signs that say "Train Police Officers", they want the totally stupid suggestion to disband or de-fund the police leaving citizens to fend for themselves. These people are a waste of humanity with questionable IQ's.

[Tomptomp]

The riots are not about race bigotry. It is about money and power. They are an attempt to create a division in the classes. They are angry because they don’t have the pleasures of the middle class. They feel entitled to health care, higher education and rent controlled housing. Looting and burning has nothing to do with law enforcement’s mistreatment of minorities.
The liberal politicians, who need there vote, won’t criticize the rioters for fear of losing their next election. Conservatives are speaking out about the destruction in our cities to no avail. The liberal mayors and governors will regret their weak response and lack of leadership.

[dewilson58]

Good thread. Thanks for starting, thanks for all the posts.

[meridian5850]

I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

Their "justice" is a guilty verdict and nothing less.

[Bay Kid]

Teach your children that if you have respect you get respect.

[Kathi71]

Obviously you don't like what is going on. So, what are YOU going to do about it? I always think that if one is going to complain that one should be willing to do some work to fix what one thinks is wrong. Good luck with the path you choose to fix things.

[HelenLCSW]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will follow suit🙁

[meridian5850]

...

[meridian5850]

Another white person pointing out how everyone should be.:shocked:


Fixed that for you.

[meridian5850]

There isn't a real plan. Personally, I believe that there will be no progress until both sides of the issue come to the table with concrete proposals of what each will give as well as take. I don't believe you can legislate this, nor force a one-sided solution down anyone's throat. I think the current over-the-top acquiescence by politicians in and out of Congress is only to save their jobs in this election year, and to ingratiate the population they are heavily courting. Celebrities busy trying to portray their superior moral authority with their nonsense yapping about what they are gonna do (nothing, but donate money that they need to write off as charity for taxes anyway) may fool some because a 'name' is attached to their cause... see if it puts food on your plate. I believe we missed out on a big opportunity to have the races more fully integrate at the childhood level in schools, 50 years ago, when you-know-who joined with the segregationists in supporting stopping busing for that purpose. Those who went through that experience have fared much better in jobs and even health, than their counterparts who didn't get that opportunity to get to know others in everyday interactions and get a more solid education. So - bottom line, I think the current method of trying to solve this is only creating even more hate and discontent where it was and creating it where it wasn't. I for one am very angry that I can't buy a copy of the Oscar winning movie Gone With the Wind on Amazon, but I can buy a DVD called All Cops are Bastards. (just a very small example that I thought I could give without getting into anything heavy). No offense intended to anyone, we all have our own opinions and though we may not agree - it's okay, I still enjoy living here and have very much enjoyed being away (for the most part) from the overwhelming political nonsense I lived in, in DC. It's much less stressful here!

Bussing was an unmitigated disaster and went away for exactly that reason.

[jbrown132]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
No need to retract but I think you are missing something. Remember in the 1960’s the great society society was created and the war on poverty was declared. Twenty eight trillion dollars latter what we created Is a group of
depleted people, obstructed their purpose, and extinguished any hope of them reaching their true potential. The problem is, and the ones making up all these slogans, and we all know who they are, are those that continue to support these failed policies. They have no other choice because because to admit these programs have been a colossal failure they would have to admit they have been wrong for more than half a century. Of all people even Malcom X warned against these programs saying they would create a next generation of people totally dependent and essentially owned by the government. The first step in correcting this is to admit the failures of the past 60 years. Where we go from there I have no idea.

[McGyver9]

Uncle Sugar rewarding irresponsible behavior (MORE money/better housing for EVERY illegitimate baby you have) is the first domino. In conjunction with not naming the father.

You'll note, I said NOTHING about "color"...
This goes for EVERYONE.

Of COURSE there are single parents who raise their kids to be productive members of society.
However, you are a fool if you're going to sit there and deny the OVERWHELMING statistics.

I haven't read anyone here mention the single "cure" for the latest media induced firestorm.

DON'T FIGHT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.
DON'T RUN AWAY.

Nobody has been killed that wasn't doing one or both of those 2 things...

A good parent would have instilled that from an early age.

[Tom2172]

FakeNewsMedia, social media & politicians have done their job destroying civilization. They’ve won! Good job CNN

[michtofla]

Let’s face it. The problem is “UNFIXABLE”.

[jmkeyzers]

Are you saying two parent family is not better idea. The point is in the black community 60 to 70% don’t have a dad. That’s the point and it is major cause of the problem. If you can’t fix that or understand it things will never get better.

[Stu from NYC]

Uncle Sugar rewarding irresponsible behavior (MORE money/better housing for EVERY illegitimate baby you have) is the first domino. In conjunction with not naming the father.

You'll note, I said NOTHING about "color"...
This goes for EVERYONE.

Of COURSE there are single parents who raise their kids to be productive members of society.
However, you are a fool if you're going to sit there and deny the OVERWHELMING statistics.

I haven't read anyone here mention the single "cure" for the latest media induced firestorm.

DON'T FIGHT WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.
DON'T RUN AWAY.

Nobody has been killed that wasn't doing one or both of those 2 things...

A good parent would have instilled that from an early age.

Very true

[allsport]

You might read the 8 things that Obama started which have now been tested for several years and the data has proven to be effective. Do psychological testing on police every 6 months and weed out the ones that have violent tendencies. Quit teaching police to be dominant, teach them to be peacekeepers. Disband all the departments and the unions and reconstruct them with community police and a union not geared toward protecting the bad actors but rewarding the good ones. You have a lot of audacity to say that one parent homes are the problem. Do your research, the child abusers are more often the fathers in the home. Look at the number of women who are abused and correlate that information with the professions of the men and police are high on the list. Chauvin's wife filed for divorce the minute he was arrested, a red flag for spousal abuse. Put together independent prosecutors to hold police accountable. If you have to work with the police then you are not the person to prosecute them. Put together community boards to advise the police. These are all recommendations from the people on the street. If you cannot come up with ways to solve the problem then you are a part of the problem.

[ldivens]

Has anyone asked why that is and what to do about it?

[Ele201]

Hello. OBB. I couldn’t agree with you more! I have seen 2-parent systems fail, with quite traumatic effects on the children. On the other hand, I’ve seen single parent households operate under tremendous financial strain.

[Jacksig]

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

"Children growing up without a Father are:

5X more likely to grow up poor

9X more likely to drop out of school

20X more likely to go to jail"

President Obama

[davem4616]

Below is a link of a video of condensed interview of few famous, prominent black people from different walks of life, sharing their different perspective.
What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEbUMX1uug)

What The Left Won’t Tell You About The Plight Of Black People And The Myth Of Systemic Racism - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEbUMX1uug)



Thank you for sharing the video....

[jeraldinemarie]

I believe that All Lives Matter and most people discriminate against ANY person that is not law abiding, moral or just plain good citizens and they come in all colors, sex and religions. It is not all about color.

Now before I post this I'll ask myself "what would and idiot do?" That made my day.

[bobnyce]

Only one plan will work - everyone must take responsibility for his or her actions and not blame society or other groups for what you have done. We all make choices, some smart some stupid but in the end it falls on the individual - no one else is to blame. My advice is think before you act the own up for what you do right or wrong!

[villageuser]

You want a quick detailed plan when there isn’t one yet to resolve the issues in the Middle East, the infrastructure decay in this country, health care in this country? Let’s be realistic. It starts with small steps, and fine-tuning as one goes along, with people unified in putting their energy and resources to making it work.

You say defund the police is a slogan? I don’t see it as that. It is a movement to take resources out of the militarization of the police (not the “usual” duties of the police but just its militarization), and give it to the community and the social services that will strengthen that community. Read what is going on in Seattle, WA (NOT from Fox News who should be ashamed of themselves) and see that plan in action. Sure sounds close to the “quick detailed plan” that you requested.

[regas56]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear: Watched a vey informative video where they interviewed very prominent Black men and three comments stood out to me.. 1) Morgan Freeman said if you want to get rid of racism then Shhhhh quit talking about it 24/7 it's not doing one damn bit of good.. 2) Wesley Snipes said, "cops" ain't arresting 7 year old little boys, where's daddy at? Boys need their father especially in poor neighborhoods where there's gangs and drugs running rampant.. 3) A very prominent college football coach (can't remember his name) said quit saying kids are different today, they are not, in the 40 years of recruiting kids remain exactly the same, a blank slate, it's the parents that have changed and NOT for the better.. The consensus seemed to be, dream big, don't give up, work hard, don't believe everything you see on the news and for God sake do not use the past as an excuse or a crutch for failure..

[goodhnds]

It’s not the number of parents....it’s the quality of the parents. Teach your children, install values in them, require responsibility and accountability.

[cheweycat]

Equality and social justice for all!

[cb1972]

Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

[regas56]

It’s not the number of parents....it’s the quality of the parents. Teach your children, install values in them, require responsibility and accountability.Explain to me how that is even possible.. A single Mom raising 3 kids alone because daddy abandoned them working 2-3 jobs with terrible benefits just to put food in their stomachs and a roof over their heads to me is a quality parent.. Children living without at least ONE guardian around to keep an eye out for the dangers and poor decisions that are sure to arise in a child's youth especially in many of these poor neighborhoods are nearly impossible to contend with even if you are the most qualified of parents..

[LoisR]

Try this for size: "Treat all people the way you expect you be treated."

[Villages Kahuna]

We’d better hope that someone has the well thought-out, responsibly constructed ideas, principles and morality that you’re looking for. Because those will be the people from whom we’ll be choosing to govern our country.

[Cgunn]

The creation of a civilian police oversight and cop violence citation database would go a long way toward holding the agressive cops to account and dismissal. IT'S A START!

[Scorpyo]

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately it is the one root for which there is no solution. All the other roots are fixable. It would probably take one to two generations to fix those problems. In the meantime the opportunists will jump on any opportunity to further their political aspirations and/or fill their coffers utilizing any and all means at their disposal. So, expect to see more.

[kenoc7]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
You obviously haven't been paying attention - lots of real changes in a number of places already, e.g., banning chokeholds.

[schladb]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
The church has a plan in fact it is written in stone THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Some people want it taken off public building and not followed. Just think if everyone followed them how wonderful life would be.

[Nancy DeGiacomo]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
It needs to start with two caring parents.

[Mustagotlost]

Defunding police is not an option. How many Seattle, Chas’ would spring up? 72% of whites and 51% of blacks are in favor of policing.

[jfkilduff]

These protesters should have their own separate communities just like sanctuary Cities. Let them fund their own police, fire and governments.

[wsachs]

How about the Commander in Chief too!

[Bucco]

Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

All great points, but using this forum as a guide.....role models are mocked on here as well (see Lebron James)

It is poverty and not color of skin. Nobody speaks to the emergence of the WHITE hate groups...they ARE tolerated and seem to be honored at times.

To believe that skin color dictates how you act is more than slightly dumb.

People who call for role models are hypocrites for the most part. They will say it and then when one emerges, the immediately look to mock them.

Again....To believe that skin color dictates how you act is more than slightly dumb.

[silverh]

More folks should watch you-tube video's of Shelby Steele and Candace Owens. Explains quite a bit about this unrest in history and what should be done.

[jimjamuser]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
Return the tax code to the % percentages used in the 1950s. Eliminate charter schools and return the money and resources to public education. Require ALL new real estate developments to provide affordable homes in the proportion to the ethnicity of the area, which would allow schools to NOT need busing and meld the races together socially and by DNA, hopefully in the future. Have MORE IRS auditors to prevent tax cheating. Reduce Supreme Court terms to 6 years, not lifetime. Cross-train ALL police officers approaching retirement within 5 or 10 years into the Post Office or Peace Corps. Keep Police in rookie academies for 3 years like Denmark to properly evaluate the and eliminate the power/aggresive, violence prone individuals. I could go on and on etc.

[Steve9930]

What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here) (http://www.innocenceproject.org/what-wrongful-convictions-teach-us-about-racial-inequality/)



Simply a coincidence?

I don't think so. :ohdear:

If I hear that "Privileged White" nonsense one more time I'm going to scream. Its nothing but an excuse for failure. You should read Dr, Shelby Steele and you might just understand the problem. Not the spin.

[Dust Bunny]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
Do you prefer anarchy? What's really needed is a better selection process, better training, and more supervision all of which cost money. That's how you get a professional police force. Your letting the tail wag the dog! The actions of one police officer does not represent all police officers, nor does it warrant wholesale looting, and arson or the ambushing of police. You eally need to think this issue through.

There are roughly 18,000 police departments in the US of that number are 12,501 local departments with the average force size of 10 sworn officers.

[Steve9930]

Return the tax code to the % percentages used in the 1950s. Eliminate charter schools and return the money and resources to public education. Require ALL new real estate developments to provide affordable homes in the proportion to the ethnicity of the area, which would allow schools to NOT need busing and meld the races together socially and by DNA, hopefully in the future. Have MORE IRS auditors to prevent tax cheating. Reduce Supreme Court terms to 6 years, not lifetime. Cross-train ALL police officers approaching retirement within 5 or 10 years into the Post Office or Peace Corps. Keep Police in rookie academies for 3 years like Denmark to properly evaluate the and eliminate the power/aggresive, violence prone individuals. I could go on and on etc.

I have no read one thing here that will solve anything.

[E Cascade]

As a human being I think each of us gets excited about helping ourselves and others to get better with our God-given talents. BUT, what comes with that is the responsibility to do our best with those gifts. I personally believe the people we are trying to help need to be "taught how to fish, not given a fish to simply eat." We cannot fight injustices against others. We need to stand in our shoes and declare that what we are doing in our skin will be the best we can offer.......and that does not mean stealing another's opportunity to stand in his/her shoes to become a better person. It means respecting that another has thoughts, feelings, gripes, abuse done to him/her, successes given to him/her, ......whatever. It's rather complex, yet rather simple. Do what you should be doing to make the planet a better place, or you are just part of the problem.

[Steve9930]

There are two places that influence a child as they grow up. The parents and the schools. Those are the two entities in control of a child's development. Both are failing their job in many cases. Discipline and education.

[dewilson58]

I could go on and on etc.


please don't, i can't stop laughing as it is.

[dewilson58]

You obviously haven't been paying attention - lots of real changes in a number of places already, e.g., banning chokeholds.


Choke holds does not respond to OP's, "...........detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues."


:ohdear:

[jbrown132]

Thank God you didn’t

[bpascani]

Thank you for sharing this U Tube. These men are amazing, and a wonderful inspiration.

[kathy1516]

No. Claiming that statistically a “solid 2-parent family” is not more beneficial to children than a single parent home is a really stupid insertion. And I mean REALLY stupid.
I think your missing the point. The black multigenerational family lacks strong parenting against having children out of wedlock. It appears to be a rite of passage to have children no matter what the consequences. The change to black lives isn’t from carrying banners with black lives matter, but should come from within the home. There is no consequences to these single women as they have grown up with the thought government will take care of us. This comes from generations of living off the government. The black issues start at home. Their parents and their parents’ parents provide no parenting skills and the cycle continues. The liberals want to keep the blacks oppressed and dependent on the government. In all the years of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton stirring up hate and violence has not helped anyone. Where have they been for decades? Why aren’t they encouraging education and having children when they marry and can afford them. Where are their plans for real change in the communities? What have they accomplished to change race relations? NOTHING!!!

[Byte1]

IMO the real "CON" is all those supposed bleeding hearts that believe that there is a "plight of the black person." The plight is history and that cannot be erased no matter how many reminders are destroyed. The black person and the females in this country have the same Constitutional protections and rights as any other citizen. I am not going to apologize for what someone did in the past that has no bearing on how I treat people. America has learned from our forefathers' mistakes so that we do not make the same ones. Time for bleeding hearts to find something else to protest, demonstrate or to be activists for. What's a matter, tree hugging is going out of style?
My motto for this year is going to be "NEWS FLASH: I DON'T CARE." Come up with a legitimate problem and if I can help, I will. I am not going to carry anyone on my back just because someone in our past was a big meanie.

I do not believe we have a law enforcement problem. I believe in every profession we have some bad employees, but they are not the majority or the average. They are the exception. If you do not want to meet those bad actors in the police force, then don't commit unlawful acts and do not run or fight a COP when he approaches you. If a career criminal dies in an unfortunate act, I am sorry, but do the crime and do the time.

It is no longer the black man that has the "plight." I am not going to apologize for an element's failure in our society when EVERYONE has bent over backwards to make EVERYONE feel part of the American family. How much more free stuff and free hands to the top before some of us realize that some folks need to walk on their own instead of being carried?
I am not a racist. I believe in equal rights and treatment that is decent to ALL people. But, like I said I am not going to apologize to anyone for what someone else did many years ago. And I do not apologize for what the police did to Floyd. I didn't do it and I have no idea of the motivation or cause of the death. All I know is that because of it, at least one good man died (Capt Dorn) as a result. Whether Floyd is responsible or not, he was part of the cause. As much as the police that may or may not have handled the situation with bad intent.
Maybe if some folks would just treat minorities the same, not special, then folks would become color blind.

[jjombrello]

What you say may be true, however, you conveniently glossed over the word "solid" in the statement of a "solid, 2-parent family". Statistics and studies, over many years and situations, have proven that children raised in solid, 2-parent homes have a better chance at success in the world than those that don't. This has been particularly true of those families that have lived and survived in the housing complexes occupied for the most part by our black, fellow Americans. It's sad that those conditions prevail, but they will not be resolved if one sticks their head in the sand and fails to admit they exist. Throwing money at this problems has totally failed as a solution so, until we get people who really care, in places of governance, with the fortitude to take politics out of the equation, and enact something meaningful, this problem may be with us for a long time.

[jacksonbrown]

PennBF, you might enjoy this

Years of teaching blacks to have grievances against white people for things that happened centuries ago have come to fruition. Rioting and looting are not enough, the violent thugs and ignorant woke creatures are pulling down historic monuments in public parks and defacing public buildings while police and public authorities stand down.

Education Is Offensive and Racist and so is America (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/06/12/education-is-offensive-and-racist-and-so-is-america/)

[BarryD]

What plan or solution did you have in mind?

[jammendolia]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.
two orange blossom baby:
it has been well documented that being raised in a married couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73% compared to mother only households and 67% compared to father only households and as evidence of the power of family structure to descend race, 31% of white children raised in mother only household live in poverty versus just 12% of black children living with the married parents this is a stunning realization.
- National center for education statistics (NCES)
please do some research before you start quoting statistics.

[Byte1]

Return the tax code to the % percentages used in the 1950s. Eliminate charter schools and return the money and resources to public education. Require ALL new real estate developments to provide affordable homes in the proportion to the ethnicity of the area, which would allow schools to NOT need busing and meld the races together socially and by DNA, hopefully in the future. Have MORE IRS auditors to prevent tax cheating. Reduce Supreme Court terms to 6 years, not lifetime. Cross-train ALL police officers approaching retirement within 5 or 10 years into the Post Office or Peace Corps. Keep Police in rookie academies for 3 years like Denmark to properly evaluate the and eliminate the power/aggresive, violence prone individuals. I could go on and on etc.

Tax code of yesteryear is not likely going to help. Charter schools are great. My grandchildren did very well in them. Forcing someone to build for a certain segment of the population is not FREE ENTERPRISE, it's gov control and that leads to .......... If the police officer needed cross training before retirement, he/she would seek it. Many have second jobs to pay the bills because of the low pay, so they are prepared. Unlike some folks in this country, the police do NOT need personal life choice supervision. They are adults. Explain to me WHY a community in a free country would be forced to have residential quotas? Tax cheating has nothing to do with this subject. Term limits for Supreme Court judges I can agree with, but that is for another subject. Other countries, especially tiny countries find practices that work for them. They also have different laws and different cultures of their own. We do not need to copy anyone else when we have the best in the world; always improving. I do not know where you will find the funding to provide three years of police training.

The only problem we have in law enforcement is how unions protect the few bad cops in this country. VERY FEW. And this is NOT a race thing. I sincerely believe there is a higher percentage of bag politicians than bad COPs. And the people choose the politicians with their votes.

[ColdNoMore]

Try this for size: "Treat all people the way you expect you be treated."

Exactly!

And THIS...says it all. :ohdear:


Being Black by Jane Elliott - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o)

[Polar Bear]

So stay married...regardless?...
Did you see the word “statistically”?

Practice what you preach.

[Bucco]

More folks should watch you-tube video's of Shelby Steele and Candace Owens. Explains quite a bit about this unrest in history and what should be done.

While those with "other" interests are oft criticized on here, we find solace in well known political activists. Not sure these are biased folks. They sure will tell you what you want to hear, if that is what you want.

[SacDQ]

You might want to go back to the President Johnson administration to better understand the single parent family structure effecting much of our poor population regardless of color. The welfare system was restructured to allow for larger monthly payments based on a singly parent structure and the number of dependents. This well meaning idea created the mess were in today across the country in rural and intercity locations.

[jimjamuser]

Tax code of yesteryear is not likely going to help. Charter schools are great. My grandchildren did very well in them. Forcing someone to build for a certain segment of the population is not FREE ENTERPRISE, it's gov control and that leads to .......... If the police officer needed cross training before retirement, he/she would seek it. Many have second jobs to pay the bills because of the low pay, so they are prepared. Unlike some folks in this country, the police do NOT need personal life choice supervision. They are adults. Explain to me WHY a community in a free country would be forced to have residential quotas? Tax cheating has nothing to do with this subject. Term limits for Supreme Court judges I can agree with, but that is for another subject. Other countries, especially tiny countries find practices that work for them. They also have different laws and different cultures of their own. We do not need to copy anyone else when we have the best in the world; always improving. I do not know where you will find the funding to provide three years of police training.

The only problem we have in law enforcement is how unions protect the few bad cops in this country. VERY FEW. And this is NOT a race thing. I sincerely believe there is a higher percentage of bag politicians than bad COPs. And the people choose the politicians with their votes.
I agreed with 1point (out of about 5)....The Police Unions are to heavily invested in protection of bad Police behavior at all costs. Solving that would be a good thread. The statement MY grandson did well at a charter schooland turned out wonderfully......is heavy on the MY and is an N of 1 young man and an N of 1 Charter school. I was talking "big picture". Public schools need help... NOT money and people running away to gated communities and picture-book schools. Of course, with those resources, those schools SHOULD be good. Need a long term study to see if better than gifted ed in public schools. 3 years of rookie police training would be paid by making the tax code fair as it was in the 1950s. Note: there was a REAL middle class from 1950 to 1975. That went away, to a large degree, by flattening the tax system. The statement that the US is the best at everything is very ethnocentric. Check the world list of countries. WE were best after WW2, NOT today. Today we are about 20th in UPWARD MOBILITY and 30th in many other gauges of QUALITY OF LIFE. Check it out, dare to do that! The US has turned its back on its own principles and the world judges and is laughing at us. Why would government have residential quotas? Because there is a problem. The US is burning! We need solutions, that was the point of the thread. I offered solutions. The government installed speedbumps to solve a problem. And speed limits. And the FDA. The government is the referee for solutions to help people. Obviously, people need help with racial justice.

[jimjamuser]

You might want to go back to the President Johnson administration to better understand the single parent family structure effecting much of our poor population regardless of color. The welfare system was restructured to allow for larger monthly payments based on a singly parent structure and the number of dependents. This well meaning idea created the mess were in today across the country in rural and intercity locations.
Agreed, true that.

[psgolf@comcast.net]

missing the point !!!!!!

[PennBF]

I am happy that I don't have to retract the contents of my original submission. In all the responses there was not one that listed, to the best of the writers knowledge the multiple issues surrounding the Minority and corresponding recommendations for solutions. There were some consistent observations as in the case of parenting, some that decided to attack the assertions, e.g. thought the term "label" was misused? this one lost me and one suggested the original note somehow was "another white person pointing out how a black person should be? Again, for the life of me I can't understand how my note could ever be assumed to mean any of that?? I do appreciate the majority of the comments were valid observations
but unfortunately not followed up with meaningful solution and ideas. To say it is a complicated subject is an understatement. Some issues to be addressed and suggested solutions to come forward are (1) Restoring the dignity, (2) Restoring the self worth (3) Bringing action plans to the Urban Housing project, (4) Correcting any inequities in the various level of Education (k-12 and Higher Education (5) Developing respect for the rules of law (6) Providing meaningful opportunities for work for the citizens who are not employed (7) Programs which do not allow or permit the police to be the targets of certain minority groups. (8)ensuring there are rewards and consequences.(9) Fill in the blanks in addition to these!! These are some of the reasons this is not a one solution fits all and why it is a very complicated issue which no one has picked up the flag and run with it. I am use to the slings and arrows fired at this list, etc. and am use to them I just hope that out of them comes a leader not afraid to take them on. :ho:

[mjpuleo]

for one thing, i wish people would stop criticizing our policemen. mind you, i have no police officers in my family so that's not the reason i say this. it is society that is a mess and too many police officers have met their fate because they are not allowed to shoot first when in danger with someone else with a gun and this is what it's all about. you have some "animals" out there that are uncontrollable when confronted by a police officer. again, Floyd's death was wrong, but that officer and the others are being punished for it, so what else do they want? how about Capt. Dolan who was killed by rioters for trying to stop looters--how come his name is not splattered all over the place and no one is protesting about that? i am sick and tired of hearing how police enforcement needs a change. if anything, our law enforcement needs more protection from the "animals" on the streets and the protesters that defend them!

[Byte1]

I agreed with 1point (out of about 5)....The Police Unions are to heavily invested in protection of bad Police behavior at all costs. Solving that would be a good thread. The statement MY grandson did well at a charter schooland turned out wonderfully......is heavy on the MY and is an N of 1 young man and an N of 1 Charter school. I was talking "big picture". Public schools need help... NOT money and people running away to gated communities and picture-book schools. Of course, with those resources, those schools SHOULD be good. Need a long term study to see if better than gifted ed in public schools. 3 years of rookie police training would be paid by making the tax code fair as it was in the 1950s. Note: there was a REAL middle class from 1950 to 1975. That went away, to a large degree, by flattening the tax system. The statement that the US is the best at everything is very ethnocentric. Check the world list of countries. WE were best after WW2, NOT today. Today we are about 20th in UPWARD MOBILITY and 30th in many other gauges of QUALITY OF LIFE. Check it out, dare to do that! The US has turned its back on its own principles and the world judges and is laughing at us. Why would government have residential quotas? Because there is a problem. The US is burning! We need solutions, that was the point of the thread. I offered solutions. The government installed speedbumps to solve a problem. And speed limits. And the FDA. The government is the referee for solutions to help people. Obviously, people need help with racial justice.

We don't NEED any more gov. especially more gov control. Sorry, but I do not NEED someone telling me where or where I cannot live, or who my neighbors must be. I see nothing wrong with gated communities, if one wishes to live in them.
"Racial Justice?" Is that different than any other JUSTICE? Why does Justice have to be segregated to race, gender, religion or sexual preference? Why can't one law fit all? Do some have special needs? I am an adult and do not need MORE gov control. The reason the economy did well in the last couple years was because of LESS gov control; less regulations.
The Constitution is color blind and gender blind, therefore if we are TRULY living and moderated by it, then there is NO racial justice, just plain old JUSTICE for all American citizens.

[Scorpyo]

More folks should watch you-tube video's of Shelby Steele and Candace Owens. Explains quite a bit about this unrest in history and what should be done.
I've said the same thing many times and even had a link. The intelligent people that want to get unbiased and informative information already know about Shelby Steele. The others do not want to know anything of Shelby Steele. It might interfere with their bias. If folks really want to educate themselves they should research Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi the founders of Black Lives Matter. When I say research I don't mean simply read the headlines that support your narrative. Do real research. I've found that the organizers of many activist type organizations, both left and right, advertise one thing yet have a more radical and, sometimes, violent agenda.

[Number 10 GI]

a majority of single parents with children or however white on social welfare

That stands to reason seeing as how the white population is far larger than the minority populations. That is an intentionally misleading statement, the percentage of each group on social welfare is the meaningful fact.

[jimjamuser]

We don't NEED any more gov. especially more gov control. Sorry, but I do not NEED someone telling me where or where I cannot live, or who my neighbors must be. I see nothing wrong with gated communities, if one wishes to live in them.
"Racial Justice?" Is that different than any other JUSTICE? Why does Justice have to be segregated to race, gender, religion or sexual preference? Why can't one law fit all? Do some have special needs? I am an adult and do not need MORE gov control. The reason the economy did well in the last couple years was because of LESS gov control; less regulations.
The Constitution is color blind and gender blind, therefore if we are TRULY living and moderated by it, then there is NO racial justice, just plain old JUSTICE for all American citizens.
And did anyone look up the point about the US being low in rankings for "quality of Life" or am I preaching to the wind? Are we not men?----from the movie" The Island of Dr. Moreau"

[ColdNoMore]

Education Is Offensive and Racist and so is America (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/06/12/education-is-offensive-and-racist-and-so-is-america/)
:1rotfl:

Talk about a totally ignorant/biased/prejudiced 'opinion' piece. :oops:

Davis, like Robert E. Lee, and so many others from Southern states spent their life in service to the United States.

They rallied to the Confederacy only because Lincoln invaded their states.


The author. :oops:

Paul Craig Roberts - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts)

He has been a regular guest on programs broadcast by RT (formerly known as Russia Today).

:ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

We don't NEED any more gov. especially more gov control. Sorry, but I do not NEED someone telling me where or where I cannot live, or who my neighbors must be. I see nothing wrong with gated communities, if one wishes to live in them.
"Racial Justice?" Is that different than any other JUSTICE? Why does Justice have to be segregated to race, gender, religion or sexual preference? Why can't one law fit all? Do some have special needs? I am an adult and do not need MORE gov control. The reason the economy did well in the last couple years was because of LESS gov control; less regulations.
The Constitution is color blind and gender blind, therefore if we are TRULY living and moderated by it, then there is NO racial justice, just plain old JUSTICE for all American citizens.

Very well said.

One of lifes biggest lies is I am here from the govt to help you.

[Number 10 GI]

Hello. OBB. I couldn’t agree with you more! I have seen 2-parent systems fail, with quite traumatic effects on the children. On the other hand, I’ve seen single parent households operate under tremendous financial strain.

You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

[Stu from NYC]

You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

Your completely correct but some people would rather not have to deal with facts when they do not agree with their opinions.

[Joe C.]

Hey !
Do you want a slogan that works all the time ...everywhere?

"OBEY THE LAW"

[600th Photo Sq]

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will follow suit🙁

So Gov. Cuomo has finally come up with a cure all plan for this latest fiasco that is taking place.

Well based on his Covid-19 track record which was a complete disaster. thanks but no thanks. :doggie:

[Stu from NYC]

Hey !
Do you want a slogan that works all the time ...everywhere?

"OBEY THE LAW"

But than the people that come after you dont get to loot and destroy and pillage.

[LoisR]

What can you expect from people who have never had any type of social or economical relationship with a person of color? Having been a HS Principal and Asst. Supt of Schools (local and county wide), there is discipline in schools. Expect more of the same unless we, yes, all of us, change.

[ALadysMom]

What do you expect, when privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?

Or do you think it's just a coincidence, that 70% of those cleared by DNA in the 'Innocence Project' are minorities...and 63% are black? :oops:

Innocence Project (click here) (http://www.innocenceproject.org/what-wrongful-convictions-teach-us-about-racial-inequality/)



Simply a coincidence?

I don't think so. :ohdear:

Do you have a source for “ privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?”

Your link to the Innocence Project does not prove your point since your point was how many of each race are “let off”(not charged or simply not arrested but GUILTY of what?) or are “given lighter sentences (again, how many of each race get what sentence for exactly the same crime, in the same jurisdiction and have exactly the same criminal record/rapshee?)

Arrest, Charging with an Offense & Sentencing all occur prior to the Innocence Project ever reviewing the case.

[ALadysMom]

Thank you for the video link. Very informative. Many men giving their perspective. As Denzel Washington states, it all starts with the family.

My six year old grandson has no idea what color his friend is, what ethnicity or religion he might be. He just knows he likes his friend, they like to do things together.
Maybe we can learn from our grandchildren. It is their future we should be trying to build.

You may be imposing your own wishful thinking as you under-estimate the ignorance and innocence of your grandson. Children learn what they live and one of their talents is perceiving things that are unsaid through gestures, vocal tones, facial expressions, and even their perceptions of others’ emotional stress. Very young infants often correctly demonstrate their perceptive abilities when reading and reacting to their mother or other primary caregiver as they mirror them.

[Stu from NYC]

What can you expect from people who have never had any type of social or economical relationship with a person of color? Having been a HS Principal and Asst. Supt of Schools (local and county wide), there is discipline in schools. Expect more of the same unless we, yes, all of us, change.

We are from NY and they had lots of discipline in the school systems. Many teachers thought they spend more time being a policeman than in teaching.

the local jr high that our son was about to go to made all students go thru metal detectors before heading off to their classrooms. Do you think the school district did this for no reason?

Luckily my job relocated us in the nick of time so we did not have to deal with it.

Do you think that most school districts in disadvantaged areas have no problems with discipline?

[ColdNoMore]

Do you have a source for “ privileged whites are given much lighter sentences or let off...for the same things in which blacks are prosecuted & incarcerated?”

Your link to the Innocence Project does not prove your point since your point was how many of each race are “let off”(not charged or simply not arrested but GUILTY of what?) or are “given lighter sentences (again, how many of each race get what sentence for exactly the same crime, in the same jurisdiction and have exactly the same criminal record/rapshee?)

Arrest, Charging with an Offense & Sentencing all occur prior to the Innocence Project ever reviewing the case.

Yep...but more like sources (plural).;)

Here's but a couple of examples.

If you really want to learn more (and I hope you do), there's lots more studies in PDF...that can't be posted here.

I strongly encourage yours (and others)...further education. :ho:


Sentencing different for blacks (poke here) (http://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing)

Key Findings

Consistent with its previous reports, the Commission found that sentence length continues to be associated with some demographic factors. In particular, after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors, the Commission found:

Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders. Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders during the Post-Report period (fiscal years 2012-2016), as they had for the prior four periods studied. The differences in sentence length remained relatively unchanged compared to the Post-Gall period.

Non-government sponsored departures and variances appear to contribute significantly to the difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders. Black male offenders were 21.2 percent less likely than White male offenders to receive a non-government sponsored downward departure or variance during the Post-Report period.

Furthermore, when Black male offenders did receive a non-government sponsored departure or variance, they received sentences 16.8 percent longer than White male offenders who received a non-government sponsored departure or variance. In contrast, there was a 7.9 percent difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received sentences within the applicable sentencing guidelines range, and there was no statistically significant difference in sentence length between Black male and White male offenders who received a substantial assistance departure.

Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to account for any of the demographic differences in sentencing. Black male offenders received sentences on average 20.4 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders, accounting for violence in an offender’s past in fiscal year 2016, the only year for which such data is available. This figure is almost the same as the 20.7 percent difference without accounting for past violence. Thus, violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed to any extent beyond its contribution to the offender’s criminal history score determined under the sentencing guidelines.


Punishment for racial perceptions (click here) (http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/race-and-punishment-racial-perceptions-of-crime-and-support-for-punitive-policies/)

Race and Punishment: Racial Perceptions of Crime and Support for Punitive Policies

Whites misjudge how much crime is committed by African Americans and Latinos.

White Americans overestimate the proportion of crime committed by people of color, and associate people of color with criminality. For example, white respondents in a 2010 survey overestimated the actual share of burglaries, illegal drug sales, and juvenile crime committed by African Americans by 20-30%. In addition, implicit bias research has uncovered widespread and deep-seated tendencies among whites – including criminal justice practitioners – to associate blacks and Latinos with criminality.

Researchers have shown that white Americans who more strongly associate crime with people of color are more likely to support punitive criminal justice policies. When individuals believe that those who commit crime are similar to them, they more readily reflect on the underlying circumstances of the crime and respond with empathy and mercy. But when people perceive a racial gap between themselves and those who commit crime, they are less compassionate and react instead with anger and outrage.

[retiredguy123]

Yep...but more like sources (plural).;)

Here's but a couple of examples.

If you really want to learn more (and I hope you do), there's lots more studies in PDF...that can't be posted here.

I strongly encourage yours (and others)...further education. :ho:


Sentencing different for blacks (poke here) (http://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing)




Punishment for racial perceptions (click here) (http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/race-and-punishment-racial-perceptions-of-crime-and-support-for-punitive-policies/)
Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.

[ALadysMom]

What can you expect from people who have never had any type of social or economical relationship with a person of color? Having been a HS Principal and Asst. Supt of Schools (local and county wide), there is discipline in schools. Expect more of the same unless we, yes, all of us, change.

Be real. The officers undoubtedly have interacted many times with people of various cultural and ethnic backgrounds as youth, in college, and on the job. They aren’t living in a vacuume.

The question posed by this thread was what specific changes do you think would have meaningful and lasting effects? How did you keep order & gain respect from your students? Did any of them become beat cops on the street?

Do you think would have happened if (like happened in Atlanta) a young white man who was reportedly suspected of driving under the influence resisted arrest by punching a cop in the face then stole his taser and ran then tried to taze the cop? I don’t know if the outcome would have been different but why didn’t the cop allow the other cop to use his taser to subdue the offender? Perhaps the shooter cop did not realize the weapon was his taser? Did he fear the suspect had a gun that he was aiming & discharging? Intense Stress, the darkness of night affecting visual perception, fear of harm to the public nearby could all have caused that officer to have made errors in his judgment. Or he could simply be a power-hungry bully who would probably have demonstrated that flaw many times before. The Atlanta case is very different from the case in Minneapolis yet the two elicit similar responses from protestors.

My relationship to a few cops and my own interactions with them lead me to believe the police forces seek, hire, promote and train far too many bullies. Doing a Myers-Briggs test or other psychological profile on police might be a useful screening tool to guide appropriate hiring and training.

The social media exposure of our young people cannot be overlooked as contributing to the aggressive responses in some instances. Aggression and violence is everywhere young people look...movies, videos, games, social media and many times in their own real life situations too.

Changes should include training of strategic thinking skills and conflict resolution for everyone on both sides. I remember Smokey the Bear’s simple public service commercials, for example. Similar messages could be placed to benefit everyone through social media, commercials, billboards and in a mandated civics course, preferably in elementary schools before dangerous trouble occurs.

Some lessons from the school of hard-knocks: apologizing should come easily since it costs you nothing, being forced to empathize is the only way some people ever put themselves in another’s shoes, respect must be earned and shared both ways, forgiveness is protective & powerful, while having & sharing abundant gratitude changes almost everything.

Change must come. If this continues, who will want to be a cop?

[ALadysMom]

Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.

[ALadysMom]

You completely ignore study after study done throughout the years that show children raised in single parent homes have a higher percentage of criminals than children from two parent families.

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

[Northwoods]

Many valid points have been mentioned in this thread, however after 35 years in law enforcement working in an urban area I firmly believe these issues are not race specific but rather arise out of a culture of poverty. I have seen family’s of all races repeat the same cycle generation after generation. Reliance on the welfare trap , thinking government Should take take care of them . I don’t have the answers but maybe early intervention in the schools , using role models etc. to perhaps show there are different paths available.

:bigbow:

[ColdNoMore]

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.

Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

[retiredguy123]

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?
Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

[ALadysMom]

two orange blossom baby:
it has been well documented that being raised in a married couple household led the poverty rate for black children to go down 73% compared to mother only households and 67% compared to father only households and as evidence of the power of family structure to descend race, 31% of white children raised in mother only household live in poverty versus just 12% of black children living with the married parents this is a stunning realization.
- National center for education statistics (NCES)
please do some research before you start quoting statistics.

Would you support banning divorce? It creates a lot of poverty and single parent homes.

[ALadysMom]

Did you even bother to read the links or, as suggested...do more research on your own?

Those differences WERE factored in.

Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

[ColdNoMore]

Interesting report. I would just make a few observations about the sentencing differences report. First, the study only applies to Federal crimes, not state crimes. Also, I would expect whites to receive lighter sentences than blacks, not because of their race, but because of their economic advantage. In our justice system, defendants are allowed to hire their own defense attorneys. And, whites have a huge advantage when it comes to paying for a legal defense because they have more money. So, if you want equality in sentencing, then you need to totally change the system to prohibit a defendant from paying for their own defense. O.J. Simpson is a perfect example of how an expensive legal defense can produce a favorable result.

The OJ verdict was a "payback" miscarriage of justice...following the Rodney King's cop's acquittals.


BOTH were wrong and in neither incident...was actual justice served.

[JoMar]

All the white folks solving all the problems for the black community.....until that attitude changes this will continue for a very long time. There are enlightened people out there, they accept interracial marriages and kids, Corporations are providing more opportunities for non-whites but we have a very long way to go...most of us will be long gone and I only hope the generations behind us will generate acceptance opportunities.

[Scorpyo]

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will following suit🙁
I’m amazed that any senior would follow anything Cuomo says. I bet he has a plan to reduce social security and Medicare. Send more viral infected seniors to nursing homes. I know the fed told him to do it. Interesting that he was selective about what fed guidelines he was going to follow and which ones he wouldn’t. Given his position of power and the fact that he made a horrible decision that resulted in death I’m shocked he’s not in jail. Someone else in power made a horrible decision that resulted in death and he’s in jail. In essence Cuomo put his knee to the throats of thousands of seniors - many black. Wheres the justice? Where’s the outrage? Talk about privileged. Remember Mary Jo. Same thing.

[ColdNoMore]

Legal representation can make a huge difference but you did not mention the differing individual criminal histories of sentencing for similar crimes. A defendant with little or no criminal history is often given consideration over one who has lead a life of crime.

Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.


Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders.


Your links were previously read. Thanks for your patient consideration. Small studies tend to be easily used for partisan purposes.

"Small studies." :1rotfl:

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.' :oops:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission is an independent agency in the judicial branch of government created by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. Congress enacted the SRA in response to widespread disparity in federal sentencing, ushering in a new era of federal sentencing through the creation of the Commission and the promulgation of federal sentencing guidelines.

[ALadysMom]

:bigbow:

How many schools still teach the Golden Rule? They probably can’t because of PC bologney. Not only was it taught but it used to be a daily reminder and was recited more often then the Pledge of Allegiance. Treat others the way you want to be treated...the man in the mirror treatment.

[ALadysMom]

Well, you obviously have chosen to ignore this then.






"Small studies." :1rotfl:

You definitely didn't read the two links I provided, who/how they were conducted or researched for the plethora of other studies...that come to the exact same thing conclusions.

P.S. One of the links was from 'The United States Sentencing Commission.' :oops:

So what CHANGES do you propose?

[ALadysMom]

Marriage, divorce, and adultery have nothing to do with the problem. The fact is that 75 percent of African American babies are born to women who are not married and they are raised by their mother in a single parent home.

Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.

[ALadysMom]

The demographics of America have changed a lot. The number of blacks may already be a super-minority yet there has been almost silence coming from Hispanic leaders. Changes may come more quickly if the two minorities are really a majority.

[retiredguy123]

Were the police from single parent homes?

If poor black unmarried mothers are causing THE PROBLEMS then then what changes are you proposing? Did your statistical analysis yield any proposals for positive change? Forced marriages upon birth? Or stoning them to death like some middle eastern countries do. Forced Abortion? Sounds like China’s One Child Policy which has had many deleterious consequences. How about forced castration of single fathers?

We could go the other way and treat all babies as a blessing entrusted to humankind to nurture regardless of the economic cost.
All of your suggested solutions would involve the Government. But, I don't believe that the Government can solve the problem. The problem needs to be solved by the people themselves.

[ALadysMom]

When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

I think the Jews have a great response by supporting the Holocaust Museum and other remembrances to honor their forefathers’ sacrifices while having a goal to also never allow the atrocities to be forgotten. Much of what is taught about black history was scrubbed to portray only one side of the story but removing visible reminders may allow the reality to become doubted, like folklore.

[camaguey48]

Assertion.

[crash]

I watch very little news these days because it's all negative and much is absurd. But the local Orlando news came on tonight after the golf tournament and stayed tuned for a short while. I see there are still demonstrations going on in Orlando and I assume other cities as well. What I couldn't figure out is what these people want? There were a lot of Black Lives Matter signs and some saying No Justice, No Peace.
I agree. Black lives matter. Now what. But the ones that really confuse me are the ones calling for justice. The cop that killed the guy in Minneapolis along with several of his fellow officers are in jail awaiting trial. What else would they like to see happen in that case.
The have arrested the perpetrator, charged him with a crime and will be
bringing him the trial. That is justice.
All of these calls for defunding police departments is nonsense. Politicians that who are agreeing with it are simply pandering for votes. It will never happen.
So I'm asking, what has to happen to get these people to stop these demonstrations?

Not just justice for this crime but all that have gone before without justice.

They really want something that I am afraid is impossible to give them an end to systemic racism in this country.

[schladb]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:
The church has a plan. In fact it was written in stone years ago, THE TEN COMMANDS, a lot of people don’t want to follow them, they want to take them off public buildings and everywhere else.

[oneclickplus]

I will retract any of this if just one person can show me just one solid and useable suggestion or idea that has been brought forward from our social leaders, the churches, law enforcements, political leaders, community activists, etc.etc. What
we have seen are meaningless slogans, labels, pontifications, etc etc. Does this sound familiar, "we need reform, we need to defund police, we need to take action, we need to recognize the errors of the past, and so many etc.'s it's not worth writing them down. There is a reason for this. It is too complicated a problem and so broad, the screamers for change, actions, etc are just not smart enough to try to provide concrete plans. All they know is how to generate riots, discontent, protests etc and pretend to help control them with "LABELS". Where do you start with the complications that brought theses terrible problem(s) to our door. This is not a one
plan or solution fits all. A detailed plan has to be brought forwards that addresses
the years of neglect of the plight of the black person, the years of raising children with the psychology that they are entitled, the build up of crime in the housing projects because of the failure to have a solid 2 parent family, the schooling system
both k-12 and College and Universities who have neglected to participate in the
need to assist to correct past abuses, a long range plan that can be applied to ensure
the action plans continue to be promoted. These are just a smattering of the need
for detail plans to disrupt the on going black issues. It is a disgrace that we have not
seen a single detailed plan to go after the many issues to solve the complicated needs of this community of people. I am personally sick of the label's and want to see the details behind the meaningless labels. :ohdear:

National repentance and obedience to the 10 Commandments. But, I don't see that as actually happening. Sin (violence, murders, rapes, abortions, thefts, corruption, lying, etc) is now the American way. It will take God's direct intervention to stop this. Feel free to slam me. It won't change a thing. This country will be taken over and destroyed in less than a dozen years based on biblical warnings and the current state of the world. If you can't see the decay in all human institutions and the complete lack of fear of God, you simply are not paying attention at all. Time is truly running short.

[Joe C.]

BLACK LIVES MATTER ????

Yeah, they do......but :

ALL LIVES MATTER

IMHO, saying that black lives matter, gives them special status.
If all the BLM protesters had ALM signs, it would begin to unify society.
I can envision a ALM protest, with people of all races involved.
At least then, they all would have something in common to start with.

[Warren]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.
The problem goes deeper than just two parents. It is basic education. Say what you want, but by-in-large, the largest majority of the sensationalized incidences involved persons of low education and low moral values. Yes, there are educated persons who are stopped because of the color of their skin but , it is highly unlikely the situation gets escalated to the point someone is hurt or killed. There are programs out there designed to work with our public education systems to fix this situation. The one I happen to be familiar with is "An Achievable Dream". I have witnessed it first hand, and it works. Children are taken from first grade through twelfth grade and given extra help to see that they succeed and graduate from high school and stay out of trouble. If they succeed they are guaranteed a free college education. Not only do they receive extra help with their studies, before and after school day; they receive education on anger management, proper manors, proper english communication, money management ...... just to name a few. On the weekends they are introduced to museums and other cultural events. These are the skills and experiences that your parents and mine taught us at home. These are the skills they are not receiving. These are the skills that help them function in society and help them make good decisions throughout life and succeed to become productive / contributing citizens.

The program is available for ALL races. The less likely an identified child is to succeed in life the more likely he or she is to become a candidate for the program. It cost the child and his family nothing. The cost is raised in the community through local business sponsorship and charitable contributions and is funneled into the school system to supplement the the teachers salaries and activities. It is a good investment. It breaks the cycle of illiteracy and teaches moral decency so we can live in peace and harmony with our neighbors. IT WORKS ! Check it out.

[ColdNoMore]

BLACK LIVES MATTER ????

Yeah, they do......but :

ALL LIVES MATTER

IMHO, saying that black lives matter, gives them special status.
If all the BLM protesters had ALM signs, it would begin to unify society.
I can envision a ALM protest, with people of all races involved.
At least then, they all would have something in common to start with.

:ho:

[DonnaNi4os]

I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

[J1ceasar]

If you want to really see why statistically - whites are at 25% single parent families and blacks are at 64% . ( American Indians second worst at 53%

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center (https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431)

If you really want to do something about race relations and the betterment of all - put anti fertility drugs in the water or preach abstinence and marriage for 21 years minimum .

REMARKABLY the rate of single parents has remained the SAME at 35% for at least TEN years.

[Strongel]

And what they watch on tv...

[Tnbrewer]

Book stores not looted 😆😂👍

[ALadysMom]

I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

Did you ever think that MEN are the source of this problem instead men are blaming single Moms?

Which parent is the “single parent” who continues to struggle with parenting and which one is absent?

Very few females are directly involved in these law enforcement problems on either side.

[ALadysMom]

Book stores not looted 😆😂👍

Fake news. Looters did not practice any discretion. Mayhem & destruction were the goals for many rioters.

Vandals, looters damage downtown Naperville businesses - Chicago Sun-Times (https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2020/6/2/21277811/vandals-looters-damage-downtown-naperville-businesses)

Naperville police reportedly watched

[PennBF]

What a great list of ideas and suggestion and remarkable inputs to this overwhelming condition in the US and in a number of cases in the world. It's impressive to see some real concern and ideas to start to attack these terrible conditions. It would be interesting if all of the comments and inputs would be reviewed and categorized? Whether you agree or disagree with some of the ideas or comments you have to be proud to live in a community which is not afraid to express their views and a mechanism (TOTV) which is available to provide them to others for review and consideration! I know I am!! :ho:

[ALadysMom]

If you want to really see why statistically - whites are at 25% single parent families and blacks are at 64% . ( American Indians second worst at 53%

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center (https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431)

If you really want to do something about race relations and the betterment of all - put anti fertility drugs in the water or preach abstinence and marriage for 21 years minimum .

REMARKABLY the rate of single parents has remained the SAME at 35% for at least TEN years.

REMARKABLY US fresh water supplies now have alarmingly-elevated levels of female hormones from massive birth control pills being excreted in urine. It is suspected to be causing low testosterone levels in males. Are you aware that birth control hormones are a Class One carcinogen? There have been tens of millions of abortion infanticides and more black babies are killed than any other segment of our population.

If you want to see real change look at the man in the mirror & ask him to change his ways.

[ALadysMom]

I was widowed at age 40. I was left to raise our four children on my own. They are all adults with children of their own. I think they turned out just fine without anymore problems than children raised in a two parent home.

I’m sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing. Your children were & are blessed to have you.

[CarolynL]

Thank you for your thoughtful message. I totally agree. There is not a simple solution to a complex problem. It requires more intricate careful plans and we are not seeing any steps toward that.

[cathiehines]

I totally agree. I get tired of hearing this as an excuse. I may be wrong, but I believe Ben Carson was raised by a single mother. Better a one-parent family filled with love and guidance than a two-parent family filled with bitterness and hatred. I feel for these single parents who get disparaged constantly.

[TooColdNJ]

Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

I’m not sure you’re correct about academia not teaching critical thinking skills. Especially in math, and in all subjects, kids bring home things that we may have learned by rote, the basics, and are being asked to explain how they got to the answer of 10 + 25, rather than just adding it as we did. Some parents just don’t get it, either. There are others whose brains just can’t conceptualize. It’s their parents fault?? While many teachers tend to teach to the middle, since there’ll always be kids who learn at the top, (despite having some horrible teachers), the ones at the bottom are lost. Some of them are dumped into remedial programs and/or special ed classrooms where the teachers teach to the lowest— unable to grasp conceptual critical thinking— while those that may have the ability To are held back from improving them, Those are the ones that YOU refer to as LEMMINGS. That’s real narrow minded, which is often just as bad as lacking critical thinking skills

After much time to apply my critical thinking skills, I Respectfully disagree. Facts DO matter, I’m sure even to some radical liberals, but since the so-called facts are even skewed, or not the only things that should be considered, (a little too black and white): and people aren’t thinking the way you are, they’re LEMMINGS?! I’m hoping that I misunderstood something your post.

[D.C.Villager]

Poverty can be avoided, by all skin colors, if you follow only 3 steps when you are young. Follow ALL of them and you have a 98% chance of avoiding poverty.

What are the steps? Finish high school, work full time, and ‘marriage before carriage’ (wait til you are 21, and marry, before having kids).

2 percent of persons in families that followed all three norms are poor, whereas 76 percent of persons in families that followed none were poor

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class (https://www.brookings.edu/.../three-simple-rules-poor.../)

[petiteone]

Facts don't matter to non-thinkers and radical liberals. Teaching personal, critical thinking is becoming non-existent in today's academia, and slowly but surely is being replaced by lemmings or "useful idiots". Many young people without proper direction from home are begging the questions: "what should I do?", "what should I say?", "how should I act?" What's more scary is we already have a generation of lemmings begetting lemmings.

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives. The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets? My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff. I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

[ColdNoMore]

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives.

The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets?

My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff.

I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

Wow, one of the most powerful posts I've seen here...in a LONG time.

Thank you for taking the time to share your experience and observations...from a first hand perspective. :bigbow:

[SouthJerseyGirl]

So let’s shut down Planned Parenthood. That certainly helps the situation - not.

[Stu from NYC]

When all the statues are gone, all the names have been changed of military bases and streets are done the last thing to remind us of slavery will be the constitution written by slave owners...what will we do?

Dont give those people any ideas.

[Bucco]

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives. The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets? My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff. I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

Beautiful and sad at the same time.

I can never get close to what you have done, but I did spend so much time at the Boys Club (mostly black) and coached and held positions on the board. I simply want to applaud you and validate what you say, because in my position, I found the same to be true of those boys who came to us for help.

Young boys at ages 12-16 do not understand first why they are treated differently than other young men and when girls and testosterone enter the picture they become very confused as to what has happened to my world.

I applaud your life

[Byte1]

So let’s shut down Planned Parenthood. That certainly helps the situation - not.

Keep it if you wish, but cut the funding from the Gov/Taxpayer. Maybe some feel it's great because it's primary motivation when created was the genocide of blacks. Since abortion is against many folks' religion, I do not think that we should be forced to pay for it. There is plenty of donated funds to keep it going. Ask Hollyweird for funding since they think it is such a great idea.

[Byte1]

Not just justice for this crime but all that have gone before without justice.

They really want something that I am afraid is impossible to give them an end to systemic racism in this country.

There is NO systemic racism in this country. The term is being abused.

[jimjamuser]

We don't NEED any more gov. especially more gov control. Sorry, but I do not NEED someone telling me where or where I cannot live, or who my neighbors must be. I see nothing wrong with gated communities, if one wishes to live in them.
"Racial Justice?" Is that different than any other JUSTICE? Why does Justice have to be segregated to race, gender, religion or sexual preference? Why can't one law fit all? Do some have special needs? I am an adult and do not need MORE gov control. The reason the economy did well in the last couple years was because of LESS gov control; less regulations.
The Constitution is color blind and gender blind, therefore if we are TRULY living and moderated by it, then there is NO racial justice, just plain old JUSTICE for all American citizens.
Gated Communities would NOT be needed if the US spent more tax money to upgrade society and quality of life. Same goes for Justice-if there REALLY were EQUAL justice (there is NOT) then we would NOT even be talking about protests.

[jimjamuser]

So Gov. Cuomo has finally come up with a cure all plan for this latest fiasco that is taking place.

Well based on his Covid-19 track record which was a complete disaster. thanks but no thanks. :doggie:
Helen got it right. You go girl!

[jimjamuser]

The problem goes deeper than just two parents. It is basic education. Say what you want, but by-in-large, the largest majority of the sensationalized incidences involved persons of low education and low moral values. Yes, there are educated persons who are stopped because of the color of their skin but , it is highly unlikely the situation gets escalated to the point someone is hurt or killed. There are programs out there designed to work with our public education systems to fix this situation. The one I happen to be familiar with is "An Achievable Dream". I have witnessed it first hand, and it works. Children are taken from first grade through twelfth grade and given extra help to see that they succeed and graduate from high school and stay out of trouble. If they succeed they are guaranteed a free college education. Not only do they receive extra help with their studies, before and after school day; they receive education on anger management, proper manors, proper english communication, money management ...... just to name a few. On the weekends they are introduced to museums and other cultural events. These are the skills and experiences that your parents and mine taught us at home. These are the skills they are not receiving. These are the skills that help them function in society and help them make good decisions throughout life and succeed to become productive / contributing citizens.

The program is available for ALL races. The less likely an identified child is to succeed in life the more likely he or she is to become a candidate for the program. It cost the child and his family nothing. The cost is raised in the community through local business sponsorship and charitable contributions and is funneled into the school system to supplement the the teachers salaries and activities. It is a good investment. It breaks the cycle of illiteracy and teaches moral decency so we can live in peace and harmony with our neighbors. IT WORKS ! Check it out.
Good post.

[jimjamuser]

The problem goes deeper than just two parents. It is basic education. Say what you want, but by-in-large, the largest majority of the sensationalized incidences involved persons of low education and low moral values. Yes, there are educated persons who are stopped because of the color of their skin but , it is highly unlikely the situation gets escalated to the point someone is hurt or killed. There are programs out there designed to work with our public education systems to fix this situation. The one I happen to be familiar with is "An Achievable Dream". I have witnessed it first hand, and it works. Children are taken from first grade through twelfth grade and given extra help to see that they succeed and graduate from high school and stay out of trouble. If they succeed they are guaranteed a free college education. Not only do they receive extra help with their studies, before and after school day; they receive education on anger management, proper manors, proper english communication, money management ...... just to name a few. On the weekends they are introduced to museums and other cultural events. These are the skills and experiences that your parents and mine taught us at home. These are the skills they are not receiving. These are the skills that help them function in society and help them make good decisions throughout life and succeed to become productive / contributing citizens.

The program is available for ALL races. The less likely an identified child is to succeed in life the more likely he or she is to become a candidate for the program. It cost the child and his family nothing. The cost is raised in the community through local business sponsorship and charitable contributions and is funneled into the school system to supplement the the teachers salaries and activities. It is a good investment. It breaks the cycle of illiteracy and teaches moral decency so we can live in peace and harmony with our neighbors. IT WORKS ! Check it out.
And white-collar crime costs the taxpayer the most money. And they get caught less.

[sloanst]

If I were you I would read articles, books and essays written by Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Shelby Steele and Bob Woodson to start. These African Americans have studied this problem at length, yet their suggestions are ignored in favor of other solutions that to date have not worked.

[jimjamuser]

What a great list of ideas and suggestion and remarkable inputs to this overwhelming condition in the US and in a number of cases in the world. It's impressive to see some real concern and ideas to start to attack these terrible conditions. It would be interesting if all of the comments and inputs would be reviewed and categorized? Whether you agree or disagree with some of the ideas or comments you have to be proud to live in a community which is not afraid to express their views and a mechanism (TOTV) which is available to provide them to others for review and consideration! I know I am!! :ho:
True that.

[jimjamuser]

REMARKABLY US fresh water supplies now have alarmingly-elevated levels of female hormones from massive birth control pills being excreted in urine. It is suspected to be causing low testosterone levels in males. Are you aware that birth control hormones are a Class One carcinogen? There have been tens of millions of abortion infanticides and more black babies are killed than any other segment of our population.

If you want to see real change look at the man in the mirror & ask him to change his ways.
Max efficient population of the US would be 175 million. We overshot that by a bit.

[jacksonbrown]

So, here's the real problem, brainwashing the MSM crowd with

Dirty Laundry (https://youtu.be/YHimia_Fxzs)

[jimjamuser]

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives. The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets? My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff. I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.
You go, petite. Impressive. Maybe couples wanting to adopt should get a child of their opposite color/ethnicity. Force society to become less racist.

[Number 10 GI]

Then we should outlaw divorce and incarcerate adulterers who have children, right?

Oh please, really?????????? Try a reply that makes sense.

[Number 10 GI]

Did you ever think that MEN are the source of this problem instead men are blaming single Moms?

Which parent is the “single parent” who continues to struggle with parenting and which one is absent?

Very few females are directly involved in these law enforcement problems on either side.

Last time I checked it requires two to tango. Unless all those fatherless children were the product of rape the mother has just as much blame as the man.

I probably shouldn't use the word "man" for these sperm donors but if the baby daddies were given the choice of pay for your offspring or be neutered, there might be a few less fatherless children and fewer living in poverty.

My wife volunteered at a church that had a food pantry and a clothes closet to aid poor people. There was a woman who came there regularly, she had 7 children and was pregnant with the 8th. All the children had a different father. The majority of women receiving aid were never married but had multiple children by multiple fathers. Birth control is either free or nearly free for low income women. They made the choice of having sex without birth control.

[dkintzer1]

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will follow suit🙁
And thank God that Florida won't follow New York.

[UNEEDA BISCUIT]

Thank you so much for sticking up for single parent families. So many of us are great with great kids. Im lucky to be one of them.

[ALadysMom]

Last time I checked it requires two to tango. Unless all those fatherless children were the product of rape the mother has just as much blame as the man.

I probably shouldn't use the word "man" for these sperm donors but if the baby daddies were given the choice of pay for your offspring or be neutered, there might be a few less fatherless children and fewer living in poverty.

My wife volunteered at a church that had a food pantry and a clothes closet to aid poor people. There was a woman who came there regularly, she had 7 children and was pregnant with the 8th. All the children had a different father. The majority of women receiving aid were never married but had multiple children by multiple fathers. Birth control is either free or nearly free for low income women. They made the choice of having sex without birth control.

Guessing the church didn’t have many reminders of the poor unwed mother who changed everything.

[nn0wheremann]

African Americans comprise 13% of the population. African American mothers obtain 40% of legal abortions. Black lives matter?

[Byte1]

Gated Communities would NOT be needed if the US spent more tax money to upgrade society and quality of life. Same goes for Justice-if there REALLY were EQUAL justice (there is NOT) then we would NOT even be talking about protests.

Gated Communities "needed" is not the point, is it? Gated Communities WANTED may be the proper term. Who gets to decide what we "need" if we are willing to pay for it ourselves? And does ANYONE really believe that there would not be silly protests if there was always a solution? There is protesting going on right now, even though the theme of the protest has been already worked on. These protests are just a means for idiots to act up, and any excuse will suffice. There is no such thing as "equal justice." No two cases have the same results in court. If you mean equal handling of suspects, then there is no argument. Although, each of those cases are handled individually too, based on the cooperation of the detained. There is no discrimination. One or two abuse cases per thousand or more stops is not systemic.

[Byte1]

Single mothers may be an instrumental cause, but most folks are taught by society the difference between right and wrong. I guarantee that most repeat offenders know their Miranda Rights by heart. Most individuals have a mind of their own and know the difference between right and wrong and make their own decisions on which actions they will make and what the results of those actions might be. Sorry, but the excuse that one did not have two parents to guide them and tell them right and wrong, is a cop out and not a defense for their illegal actions. If they are anti-social, that is their choice. The only excuse is a medical excuse. If one is mentally disabled, then they may have an excuse.

[dewilson58]

Single mothers may be an instrumental cause, but most folks are taught by society the difference between right and wrong. I guarantee that most repeat offenders know their Miranda Rights by heart. Most individuals have a mind of their own and know the difference between right and wrong and make their own decisions on which actions they will make and what the results of those actions might be. Sorry, but the excuse that one did not have two parents to guide them and tell them right and wrong, is a cop out and not a defense for their illegal actions.


Agree.


I think broken homes have an impact, but not the only root cause.

[Stu from NYC]

If I were you I would read articles, books and essays written by Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Shelby Steele and Bob Woodson to start. These African Americans have studied this problem at length, yet their suggestions are ignored in favor of other solutions that to date have not worked.

So very true, get rid of Sharpton who helps nobody but himself and look up to these men.

Trillions of dollars wasted on war on poverty and we keep going with wasteful programs

[Steve9930]

There are three things that bring people out of poverty, Education, Accountability, and Discipline. All are now lacking in society.

[ALadysMom]

As a liberal, white woman, professional (Attorney and Surgeon), married parent of 2 sons and foster parent of 6 black children, I am aghast at some of the hateful or ignorant opinions/solutions I read on this thread. My sons were teens when we began fostering (northern state) and we were blessed by their lives. The local police, however, were after these kids from the day we invited them into our homes. (They were not the only black kids in our community)- Questioning them on where they were going, where they were coming from, how did they get those shoes, why are they walking into this person's drive way, why are they standing out in from of the local theater (along with my bio sons), why are you walking with this (white) girl, frisking their pockets? My hubby and I spend a lot of time at the police station trying to stop this behavior. Everyone should foster a black child so see what it's like and what these kids are up against. Thankfully our neighbors treated the kids with respect. It was the greatest education of my life time and we're still close to each of the kids we fostered. An yes, we put them through college....yes, we gave them free stuff. I'm so disappointed in my fellow whites who think they know the failing of everyone but themselves.

What a difference you have made during your life! Thanks for sharing with us. All those little things that repeatedly happen contribute to & perpetuate the distrust so they really aren’t little things at all. I’m saddened to think we’ve made so little progress in so many ways. When we were kids, who would have thought we’d still be dealing with the same issues as seniors? I pray that a good & Godly person from the black community will come forward to lead the way forward. I don’t think any white person will be perceived as genuinely understanding. We can have a such a beautiful future if we can heal and grow together. If we continue along this path, our adversaries can just sit back & watch as we destroy our own country.

[ALadysMom]

There are three things that bring people out of poverty, Education, Accountability, and Discipline. All are now lacking in society.

I agree those elements are critical from the individual but there are more complicated factors that extend beyond. What about love, faith, health, security, community fellowship, mentors/role models, individual intellectual, emotional and physical abilities...just to name a few. It would be a lot more difficult to get out of poverty if any of those is significantly lacking.

[ALadysMom]

So very true, get rid of Sharpton who helps nobody but himself and look up to these men.

Trillions of dollars wasted on war on poverty and we keep going with wasteful programs

Sharpton represents no one except himself. He is not elected. No one appointed him.

Many blacks also wish some powerful, brave person in the media would stop using Sharpton’s divisive rhetoric for its shock value. It only benefits them. He’s like addictive click-bait to media moguls.

[ALadysMom]

Poverty can be avoided, by all skin colors, if you follow only 3 steps when you are young. Follow ALL of them and you have a 98% chance of avoiding poverty.

What are the steps? Finish high school, work full time, and ‘marriage before carriage’ (wait til you are 21, and marry, before having kids).

2 percent of persons in families that followed all three norms are poor, whereas 76 percent of persons in families that followed none were poor

Three Simple Rules Poor Teens Should Follow to Join the Middle Class (https://www.brookings.edu/.../three-simple-rules-poor.../)

We all wish it were that simple.

[Stu from NYC]

Sharpton represents no one except himself. He is not elected. No one appointed him.

Many blacks also wish some powerful, brave person in the media would stop using Sharpton’s divisive rhetoric for its shock value. It only benefits them. He’s like addictive click-bait to media moguls.

Your right but when you see him show up all the time people unfortunately think he is a leader. Wish he would be led to the nearest prison for tax evasion.

[retiredguy123]

Your right but when you see him show up all the time people unfortunately think he is a leader. Wish he would be led to the nearest prison for tax evasion.
Al Sharpton is a leader. He's just leading people in the wrong direction.

[Steve9930]

I agree those elements are critical from the individual but there are more complicated factors that extend beyond. What about love, faith, health, security, community fellowship, mentors/role models, individual intellectual, emotional and physical abilities...just to name a few. It would be a lot more difficult to get out of poverty if any of those is significantly lacking.

Those automatically come along for the ride if you have the first three.

[nututv]

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.
I taught scouts for 12 years. Depending on the year there were 30 to 50 boys in the pack or troop. I'll be the first to say that there are ALWAYS exceptions but for the most part, the boys/young men who didn't have a mother and father in the household were real handfulls, sometimes just plain dangerous. We had to have 2 boys removed from scouts and it was no coincidence neither had a father at home. My mail was stolen just last year. I caught the little sh&^. A 14 yo being raised by his mother who was too busy working to give him the swatting he so nearly deserved. I got him put in jail... it was his 4th trip in. He doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell at this time in life.
A kid needs 3 things, a loving mom and dad. Remove any 1 of those 3 and it increases issues later in life more than you will ever know.
That's not a belief, it's a fact!

[PennBF]

The big con is alive and continuing to spread it's awful lies. Does anyone in their right mind believe that passing a few laws, allowing anarchy in some cities, reducing the budget for police protection will bring peace to the problems of rioting, black concerns, etc. That is an insult to the many who are looking for real firm and fair practices to bring this under control. It has now been baked into politics and rable rousers like the ilk of a Al Sharpton who makes his living stimulating riots and those who are mal contents. Lets see someone have the guts to form a Commission, independent of any political party or self interest group and provide it with adquate funding and support and challenge them to analyze all aspects of the cause of where we are and bring to the table recommendations to restore confidence and peace to the situations and the communities. :ohdear:

[Steve9930]

If I lived there the for sale sign would have been put out front long ago. These are the most incompetent elected officials I have ever seen operate. A box of rocks is far more intellegent.

[John41]

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will follow suit🙁

is it as good as his plan to put Covid19 infected patients in nursing homes?

[jimbomaybe]

I’m not trying to stir the pot but it’s just a statistical fact. Of course there are kids that thrive in single parent households and kids that fail miserably in 2-parent families. But statistically 2-parent households have a big advantage.
If facts and statistics don't further your opinion you ignore them , thoughts, ideas and opinions are much like your children , to be defended at all costs

[joseppe]

National repentance and obedience to the 10 Commandments. But, I don't see that as actually happening. Sin (violence, murders, rapes, abortions, thefts, corruption, lying, etc) is now the American way. It will take God's direct intervention to stop this. Feel free to slam me. It won't change a thing. This country will be taken over and destroyed in less than a dozen years based on biblical warnings and the current state of the world. If you can't see the decay in all human institutions and the complete lack of fear of God, you simply are not paying attention at all. Time is truly running short.

Maybe 'Rapture' will happen first.

[graciegirl]

What can you expect from people who have never had any type of social or economical relationship with a person of color? Having been a HS Principal and Asst. Supt of Schools (local and county wide), there is discipline in schools. Expect more of the same unless we, yes, all of us, change.

I was reading a post this morning and wondered about the poster. I think that too many folks make summary judgements about people that are incorrect. Also, our educators now HATE the old I.Q. tests. The Whoopsie, the Wechsler the WHO. We are all born valuable but not equal at all. Some of us are far better at things than others and some people have very few skills that can help them earn a lot of money. I have thought a lot about nature vs. nurture and believe that there is a lot more that is innate, inborn, fixed, than we were previously taught.

What does that mean? Probably that we all need to be a lot more open minded and accepting on a lot of DIFFERENT levels instead of pushing the trendy educational agendas. What if that the truth about people lies in another completely different way? What if we cannot fix Autism and mental retardation? What if really, really, really bright people are often social misfits and find it difficult to get a job???

What if certain personality traits are truly genetic and inherited?

[GoodLife]

Good kids can come from single parent homes, but odds are not good.

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]
75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]
70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]
85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]
Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D.H.H.S. news release, March 26, 1999]

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Will the Rapture be on TV , I’m sure it will get great ratings !!!’

[bgamble3]

If you have been reading this forum, and paying attention to the news of the day, then you know what the Big Con is.

This was bad when I recall being involved...now it's impossible, and promises to simply get worse. Each side of the issue have promised violence in the streets in November. It has been galvanized and the world watches as we wait for somebody, anybody to step up and at least try.

Seeing posts today with folks not even knowing about the various groups involved in the stress. And nobody is even trying.

When you hear foreign governments who are watching express sadness for what has been wrought (and by the way, was and is the ultimate goal of some, both inside and outside our borders, and they are not even shy about saying it now and listen to their words about the USA, you get the dRk picture.

We had cracks in our society. They are now huge, and again....the only words are promises of more grief for the future and again, nobody even try's to heal.
Taking God out of this nation founded by Christians is the real problem!

[Bucco]

Taking God out of this nation founded by Christians is the real problem!

Lots of truth in what you say.

BUT supporting Gods name would demand honesty, truth telling, moral standards, and that has now vanished.

We are not close to the same country, morally, that we think we are. The world now looks down on and feels sorry for us, as they move on for the most part, without us, while we continue to cease acting as a country.

[Aloha1]

Another white person pointing out how black people should be.:shocked:

NO. More like how ALL people should be. FYI, I searched and did not find where the OP referred to only one group of humans.

[Aloha1]

Actually, Governor Cuomo has come up with a very detailed plan and requiring every mayor to have implemented it by April of next year or they will not receive state financial aid. The plan includes most of the things we have just been talking about. There is no chance, however, that our Florida governor will follow suit🙁

Cuomo? You mean the guy responsible for 6,000 nursing home deaths?

[Aloha1]

You say defund the police is a slogan? I don’t see it as that. It is a movement to take resources out of the militarization of the police (not the “usual” duties of the police but just its militarization), and give it to the community and the social services that will strengthen that community. Read what is going on in Seattle, WA (NOT from Fox News who should be ashamed of themselves) and see that plan in action. Sure sounds close to the “quick detailed plan” that you requested.

Yeah, we saw how that worked out. How many rapes? How many murders?

[Aloha1]

The creation of a civilian police oversight and cop violence citation database would go a long way toward holding the agressive cops to account and dismissal. IT'S A START!

National Police Force. Made up of people from the communities, cities, and State they are based in but Federally controlled. Uniform Code of Justice with stiff and strict penalties for bad actors. Take it out of the hands of politicians. Fund it by taking back a portion of the Federal money sent to each State.

[Aloha1]

Explain to me how that is even possible.. A single Mom raising 3 kids alone because daddy abandoned them working 2-3 jobs with terrible benefits just to put food in their stomachs and a roof over their heads to me is a quality parent.. Children living without at least ONE guardian around to keep an eye out for the dangers and poor decisions that are sure to arise in a child's youth especially in many of these poor neighborhoods are nearly impossible to contend with even if you are the most qualified of parents..

How is it possible? Here's an example: Ben Carson's Mother

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So stay married...regardless?

Now THAT is REALLY... :oops:



Fighting Parents (click here) (http://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/contemplating-divorce/200911/divorce-doesnt-harm-children-parents-fighting-harms-child)

Children of divorce are only one issue and most of them still have two parents involved.

The bigger issue is single women having multiple babies by different men who are no longer around.

While it may be true that some wealthy and successful women have children on their own they are the rare exceptions.

[fishon]

National Police Force. Made up of people from the communities, cities, and State they are based in but Federally controlled. Uniform Code of Justice with stiff and strict penalties for bad actors. Take it out of the hands of politicians. Fund it by taking back a portion of the Federal money sent to each State.

Will they wear brown shirts?

[17362]

Not withstanding your exceptions. I think the parenting issue is one of the root causes. My opinion.

I agree

[graciegirl]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

Single parents have it harder - in general. But when you get down to specifics, you'll find there are kids who are raised with just one parent who grow up to be amazing adults, and there are kids who are raised with two parents who grow up to be monsters.

Just take that out of the equation. It is a disservice to single parents, and a disservice to kids of malfunctioning two-parent households.

I think it is good to laud a two parent family. Of course there are exceptions as many one parent homes are good and strong and manage well. I think it is better to have a child being loved by people of both genders and to have two people to watch over and protect him/her and to have two people who can provide for them their needed things and pay the bills for their food and shelter and save money for their future education. AND to catch the little things that may be fibs and scams that one parent might miss. I think many times it takes not only two but more than two, and what lucky kids who have grandparents close by as well. I am all for strong two parent families and sad to see families split. It is always painful. It can be weathered, but there is real joy for a relationship that lasts for years and years and shelters and loves children. Not a thing wrong with it at all. It is something GOOD, most of the time. Most of the time.

[PennBF]

Many years ago a person was visiting the docks, I think in San Francisco and he heard a Dock Worker talking. He was surprised at the breath and width if his knowledge and to make a long story short the Dock Worker was Eric Hoffer who ended up writing some good books. I remember one comment he made and it related to a Lawyers convention in which he pointed out the Attorney's had invited the then head of the Black Panthers Movement and who preached nothing but hate for the US. When he was done spilling his hate at the convention the Attorney's stood and gave him a standing ovation. He used this as an example of cowardness. When does coward behavior stop and care of the country begin? Is it being a coward to stand by and watch a number of Cities being taken over by thugs? Is it being a coward to stand by and listen to people shouting to rip down USA history, whether buildings or statutes? You can add the rest examples of being a coward. Who do you hold responsible for letting any of this happen? It is being a coward by omission rather than commission. When is it time to not reward bad behavior and to ensure consequences for those who allow anarchy to be part of the fiber of the US? :ohdear:

[Kerry Azz]

Well said! It sickens me to know that this has been going on for far to long.

[Aloha1]

Will they wear brown shirts?

They don't in the UK.

[Aloha1]

Exactly!

And THIS...says it all. :ohdear:


Being Black by Jane Elliott - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o)

Again?? THat's all you got?

[Aloha1]

Gated Communities would NOT be needed if the US spent more tax money to upgrade society and quality of life. Same goes for Justice-if there REALLY were EQUAL justice (there is NOT) then we would NOT even be talking about protests.

Really? Que Kumbaya? Look to history.

[Bucco]

Many years ago a person was visiting the docks, I think in San Francisco and he heard a Dock Worker talking. He was surprised at the breath and width if his knowledge and to make a long story short the Dock Worker was Eric Hoffer who ended up writing some good books. I remember one comment he made and it related to a Lawyers convention in which he pointed out the Attorney's had invited the then head of the Black Panthers Movement and who preached nothing but hate for the US. When he was done spilling his hate at the convention the Attorney's stood and gave him a standing ovation. He used this as an example of cowardness. When does coward behavior stop and care of the country begin? Is it being a coward to stand by and watch a number of Cities being taken over by thugs? Is it being a coward to stand by and listen to people shouting to rip down USA history, whether buildings or statutes? You can add the rest examples of being a coward. Who do you hold responsible for letting any of this happen? It is being a coward by omission rather than commission. When is it time to not reward bad behavior and to ensure consequences for those who allow anarchy to be part of the fiber of the US? :ohdear:

Frankly, I could furnish, with links quotes from folks you consider great or wonderful, or I believe you do, saying very very unpatriotic things. But two things would happen....I get deleted and banned, and you type in fake news, env though I could supply video and the actual quotes.

Anecdotal talk has no weight at all with me, although I would guess you are fairy accurate although out of context.

[Chitown]

The "solid 2-parent family" is a really stupid insertion. There are 2-parent families with unwanted kids in them. There are 2-parent families where one of the parents abuses their spouse. Others where one parent abuses the kid(s). There are 2-parent families that have no love within the home. There are 2-parent families where the parents are criminals. There are 2-parent families...etc. etc. etc.

That comment is true but out of context. There are exceptions to everything. Think back to the 1950’s, 60’s and early 70’s when 2 parent households were more common. Children were brought up differently. Children were disciplined when needed they were not your friend like some parents and kids state. Schools had discipline or the student was punished by the teacher or the parents. There was much more respect for one another. When I misbehaved in school not only did I get whacked by the teacher but my parents would kick my a- - as well. Ask any teacher, discipline in school doesn’t exist because if the teacher disciplines a student he or she will be suspended or fired.