Cop Shoots Man in Atlanta

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

[anothersteve]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/hold-your-hats-307693/

Steve

[dewilson58]

missed a significant detail.................the thug started to physically fight the officers once an officer got behind him to handcuff him.


guess he was never taught not to fight an officer.

[Kenswing]

I hope the officer sues for wrongful termination. He will win..

[Stu from NYC]

Guess the police do not have the right to defend themselves anymore

[retiredguy123]

Another detail was that they did give him a breathalyzer test, which he failed. Resisting arrest is a crime, which, I think, should be prosecuted more often to prevent these incidents and protect the police.

But, apparently, the guilty person was the owner of the Wendy's restaurant. I guess that is why someone burned down his restaurant and put him out of business.

[dewilson58]

Fight with an officer, you have a good chance of being shot.

No matter what color you are, or what color the officer is.

It's not a color issue.

[billethkid]

Firings.....knee jerk politicians (like the mayor of Seattle) rolling over and caving in to the current wave of lawlessness. Making the LEO back away from the area to allow the lawlessness to continue.

As this continues more and more LEO members will become more passive when encountering unlawful incidents.
Which will in turn lead to more criminals and thugs getting away with their crimes.

Those who serve and protect are in danger of being emasculated by those who run cities and states.

What individual, black or any other, in their right mind in this day and age would fight police, resist arrest, run away and shoot at police???

[Stu from NYC]

Fight with an officer, you have a good chance of being shot.

No matter what color you are, or what color the officer is.

It's not a color issue.

Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.

[retiredguy123]

Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.
I find it strange that there is no information on the Internet about Rayshard Brooks' criminal record or the lack of one. Why?

[dewilson58]

Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.


They say, "The good ones always die young."


Don't know who "they are.


Don't know what it take to be a "good one".


Don't know what "young" is.


Don't know why I posted this.


:shocked:

[dewilson58]

What individual, black or any other, in their right mind in this day and age would fight police, resist arrest, run away and shoot at police???


The answer is always within.

[ColdNoMore]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

[Jayhawk]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

Do you remember this from just 90 days ago?

Black Cop Shoots Unarmed White Man In Viral Video | NewsOne (https://newsone.com/3906412/black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-man-viral-video/)


I didn't think so.

[anothersteve]

Why the hell can't people just comply? This crap is avoidable if people would just comply! I'm not saying who's right or wrong, it's just avoidable.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Do you remember this from just 90 days ago?

Black Cop Shoots Unarmed White Man In Viral Video | NewsOne (https://newsone.com/3906412/black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-man-viral-video/)


I didn't think so.

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.

[Steve9930]

Resisting arrest here in Ohio is a misdemeanor offense unless the officer is put in major danger or the assailant has a deadly weapon. This will be investigated and I suspect the officer will be charged with something.

[Stu from NYC]

Why the hell can't people just comply? This crap is avoidable if people would just comply! I'm not saying who's right or wrong, it's just avoidable.
Steve

He apparently brought it upon himself by grabbing the officers taser and things just esclated and in retribution the guys decided lets burn down a restaurant.

[Jayhawk]

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.

Not what you wrote. You said, "exactly why black people across the nation are so angry."

Why wasn't it about ANY police shooting ANY person regardless of race?

You are on a bandwagon, and I know you are not alone. But people need to wake the hell up. ALL people.

[camaguey48]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.
The police are already on pins and needles. It is because politicians are kow- towing to the mob and do not have the guts to stand up to them and protect their constituents. It is better to let their cities burn. Anarchy will reign. America is in trouble and our enemies are gleefully watching. Thank a police officer revert chance you get.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

missed a significant detail.................the thug started to physically fight the officers once an officer got behind him to handcuff him.


guess he was never taught not to fight an officer.

Yea, I was going by memory. The officer has in fact administered the breathalyzer and and was in the process of handcuffing him when he began to fight.

But that wouldn't justify shooting him. The issue that I saw that did was that he stole the officer's taser and fired it at him. That's when the officer returned fire.

[camaguey48]

Thank a police officer every chance you get.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.

Actually, what struck me as odd about the whole thing was how pleasant and cooperative Mr Brooks was during the whole process up until the officer tried to cuff him.

He just turned on a dime.

It's amazing how the officer was immediately fired, his partner suspended and the police chief resigned. I think that it was the mayor that made those calls.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.

In this case, the person was armed and fired a taser at the officer.

Do you condemn the officer defending himself?

[graciegirl]

I find it strange that there is no information on the Internet about Rayshard Brooks' criminal record or the lack of one. Why?

There must be a "cleaning brigade". That offends me mightily. I searched and searched before and finally found a British Newspaper that published George Floyd's criminal record. I feel like we are being manipulated and maneuvered. We are the victims of a new religion called political correctness by unseen forces. People are trying to hide public information from behind the scenes. That is wrong. Very wrong, just like it is wrong to break the law and to drive while drunk and to resist arrest and to flee police and to discharge a weapon against officers of the law while fleeing. Every child I ever knew was taught this.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

Let me correct a few things in this post. He was was running away but was not shot in the back. During the pursuit, the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire.

The taser is not a lethal weapon and if this man didn't steal the officer's taser the officer would have been able to use it instead of his gun.

Officers are trained that if someone has a taser or stun gun that they are to shoot. This is because if they are tased or stunned, they are rendered helpless and the perpetrator can then take their gun and shoot them.

A taser, by the way, can be used as a stun gun once the taser cartridge has been expelled.

I have no idea why the officer was picking up brass or that he actually was. I didn't see that. If he was it would no bearing on the case. He shot three times. There is no disputing that so where the brass laid would have nothing to do with this case.

This is easily a justified shooting. Unfortunately, it comes on the heels of what is apparently an unjustified homicide of a black man that is all over the news and has created a toxic political environment.

[villageuser]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

What you didn’t include was when the man fired the taser at the officer, it was not accurate, as you can imagine if one is drunk, scared, running, and trying to shoot with something he is not trained to use. Here is the article in more detail: Video Investigation: How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by Atlanta Police - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200615&instance_id=19394&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=28900523&segment_id=30915&user_id=c9417ad5f0da7577d07275501cc23d65)

[crash]

The Taser was a contact taser and he grabbed and ran 45 minutes after first contact.

Don’t think a taser justifies shooting and killing him. All I will say if he had been white would the officer have shot him.

[dewilson58]

But that wouldn't justify shooting him. The issue that I saw that did was that he stole the officer's taser and fired it at him. That's when the officer returned fire.


Actually, yes he can shoot the thug.

[crash]

There must be a "cleaning brigade". That offends me mightily. I searched and searched before and finally found a British Newspaper that published George Floyd's criminal record. I feel like we are being manipulated and maneuvered. We are the victims of a new religion called political correctness by unseen forces. People are trying to hide public information from behind the scenes. That is wrong. Very wrong, just like it is wrong to break the law and to drive while drunk and to resist arrest and to flee police and to discharge a weapon against officers of the law while fleeing. Every child I ever knew was taught this.

It is not about George Floyd it is the straw that broke the camels back. This was not the first black person unjustifiably killed by the police this year or even that month.

[riley2011]

Yes, it was justified.

[crash]

He apparently brought it upon himself by grabbing the officers taser and things just esclated and in retribution the guys decided lets burn down a restaurant.

In retribution for killing someone a restaurant got torched And that is what you think is bad.

Go back to Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 the worst racial massacre in this country no arrests. This type of thing has been going on this country since it has been a country and you are surprised they have had enough.

[crash]

Agreed but watch everyone now telling us what a good guy he was.

Good or bad he does not deserve to be dead for being intoxicated and sleeping in his car.

[crash]

I find it strange that there is no information on the Internet about Rayshard Brooks' criminal record or the lack of one. Why?

If we looked up you would there be information on your criminal record or lack of.

[dewilson58]

Good or bad he does not deserve to be dead for being intoxicated and sleeping in his car.


Can't pick his lowest crime & make judgement.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

The B/A was administered; he blew .108; cuffs were being put on and that’s when the perp decided to do something really stupid - resist and grab the Officer’s taser.

When he turned and fired it towards the Officer, all the rules changed and deadly force was justified. They need to learn that if they point a weapon, they will get shot.

[Jeff5115]

I was taught that if a police officer tells you to do something follow the instructions. Unfortunately if the man had just followed instructions he would be alive and would have possibly been found guilty of a minor violation. I cant imagine the stress police officers are under each and every day. I had lots of job stress but I never had to worry that I might get killed on the job.

[jacksonbrown]

Go back to Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 the worst racial massacre in this country no arrests. This type of thing has been going on this country since it has been a country and you are surprised they have had enough.

Wow, you had to go back 99 years to find that piece of (maybe) fake news.

[matandch]

People keep saying “returned fire”. Returning fire with a gun vs taser isn’t a proportional response. None of the offenses the man committed are punishable by death.

[diamond2005]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1784288]I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.
The guy was asleep in the drive-thru lane of the Wendy’s. He had passed out, drunk.
Knowing the area well, the owner of the Wendy’s was more than likely, black!

[fishon]

Brooks’ choice for fight and flight have to be driven by a long criminal record.

[oneclickplus]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

A taser may not be lethal. But it is enough force to disable the LEO so that his lethal gun can then be taken. The stupid criminal fired the officer's weapon at him while fleeing. The operative word is "fired" (not fleeing). The shooting was justified and warranted and I am glad another stupid criminal of any color is off the streets permanently.

Of course, we will shortly hear about how he was just turning his life around and the young child he has. I'm sorry. The child is something HE should have been thinking about ... not me.

[Bobby De]

The vast majority of these police shootings and aggressive police incidents all stem from no cooperation. No cooperation from the perpetrators. All people need to do is to be cooperative and just obey the officers commands. If you are asked to keep your hands on the steering wheel then keep your hands on the steering wheel; If you are asked to get down on your knees then just get down on your knees; If you are asked to keep your hands in the air then just keep your hands in the air. People just have to go from one command to another and cooperate and we wouldn't have these incidents. There is no doubt that the police are needed to maintain and enforce the freedoms and liberties that we in the US have. I also believe there is an underlying issue here as well. There is a fight for votes. I just hope that the law abiding, reasonable, thankful, grateful, knowledgeable citizens cast their votes because we know the other type will.

[Tim Ringler]

Better read it again. You missed a lot important facts. There was no need for this.

[maggie1]

Resisting arrest here in Ohio is a misdemeanor offense unless the officer is put in major danger or the assailant has a deadly weapon. This will be investigated and I suspect the officer will be charged with something.

As a former state trooper from Ohio, I agree with your statement. From what I gleen from the newscast covering this incident, the man had fallen asleep in his car while in the take out lane. In my experince I found that the act of resisting arrest usually begins when the offender is being placed in handcuffs - at that point anything can happen, and in this case it did.

There are a number of options the police could have considered taking in this incident that wouldn't have resulted in the man's death. First, if they suspected he was under the influence, but hadn't seen him drive, they could have removed him from the vehicle, had it towed, and called someone to pick him up. As Steve notes, police are allowed to use deadly force only in those instances where deadly force is being used against them, or others. A stun gun doesn't fit that definition. If the officer had been struck by one of the stun gun electrodes, yes he could have become disabled, but don't forget, there was a second officer present, and the stun gun can only be used once.

So, I ask myself what would I have done if I had been faced with this situation? Based on my training on when to use and not use deadly force, my decision would not have resulted in someone dying. I would have known who he is, thus I could pick him up with a warrant later on, I'd have his car impounded, and it wouldn't be released until he gave himself up. What about the stun gun? Well, he might as well be carrying around a box of Q-Tips, because it is no longer of any use as a weapon to be fired at a distance.

I feel badly for the officer, and of course for the decedent as well. The officer was fired immediately, and that is not the way it should have played out. He could have been relieved of duty until all facts were presented, and then suspended/fired depending on the findings. My guess would be that he will be charged criminally, but will probably be found not guilty based on the totality of the circumstances.

Police work is confounding! It involves 80% of boredom, 15% of heart racing interactions, and 5% of adrenaline pumping terror. We must make instantanious decisions that will effect lives on both sides. We are second guessed, we are both admired and despised, but there is one thing that I can say without reservation, we don't start out a work shift looking to kill someone.

[LSTOWELL]

Well that's not what happened..man was asleep in his car at Wendy's drive through..clerk called police as car blocking traffic..police came and got the guy to move car out of the lane..gave tests to him..rustled him to the ground..man saw cops taser and worried it could be used on him he grabbed it and got up and started running..cop runs after him and man afraid turned and fired taser.cop pulls his gun and kills man...

[Lsepanske@aol.com]

No question .....he will win.

[Stu from NYC]

In retribution for killing someone a restaurant got torched And that is what you think is bad.

Go back to Tulsa Oklahoma 1921 the worst racial massacre in this country no arrests. This type of thing has been going on this country since it has been a country and you are surprised they have had enough.

I was taught at an early age than when stopped by a cop you are polite and follow their instructions.

The guy fought with the policeman grabbed his taser and fired it at the officer. If struck the officer would have been helpless and could have been shot with his own weapon.

To me it is justified killing by the officer.

In addition a bunch of locals destroyed the restaurant. Owned by a black man who had nothing to do with what happened. I would hope that pictures were taken and the arsonists arrested.

[timcarnicom]

Ya know maybe if he hadn't taken the cops taser the cop would have been able to stop him with the taser instead of his handgun. Just imagine if he had taken the cops handgun instead of the taser. I'm thinking it will come out that this man was running from something more than a DUI.

I had a black friend ask me the other day "how do we get so many blacks from getting shot while interacting with police" I said "why don't we get blacks to stop having so many interactions with police". Simple answer.

[DecaturFargo]

You have to understand that a taser is NOT a lethal weapon. The law did NOT allow the officer to shoot a man in the back. They knew who he was and where he lived. The Officer was absolutely in the wrong.

[LoisR]

Watch it again. The car was already stopped and parked with the man sleeping in it. No law was broken. The man passed the sobriety test and offered to walk to his sister's house down the street. No law was broken. The police then tried to arrest him. For what charge? Sleeping in ones own car after having a few drinks? Interesting how we see the same events differently. Justice for all.

[Saluce]

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.

Ok underdog, why don’t you put ona uniform and show them all how to do their job since I’ve seen many of your post about police. Why is it always the officers and not the person who doesn’t comply!!! But the way, have you ever been tased and know what it’s like??? Just wondering as there are a lot of scenario’s of how it could have turned out! Why not just comply and both would have been safe.

[sjeffries]

I agree, it’s not a RACE issue. You break the law then fight with a cop the consequences may not always be fair.
Solution is simple, obey the law and comply if you are confronted by the cops.

[JoeinFL]

Wow, you had to go back 99 years to find that piece of (maybe) fake news.

Fake news?? You have to be kidding?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

Police have to protect themselves first. People need to understand that if the resist arrest bad things can happen. I will say there were two cops there and I believe that they could have subdued the man however I was not in that position. It’s a tough call.

[Bikeracer2009]

It's going to be a tough fight for this officer. Shooting an unarmed drunk man that had resisted arrest and fired a non lethal taser at him.

If the taser had hit the officer the gun he had could be used against him by the drunk guy or an angry onlooker.

If I was this police officer I would've let him go when he resisted my attempt to handcuff him. I would already have his car, identification and video of his crimes. I would call in the fleeing suspects location and direction of travel and keep my distance. The charges would just add up for this man as he continued to evade capture. He could also commit more crimes while on the run.

This would go against my training etc but at least I would be going home a free man. Even if I was fired from my job.

I'm not saying apathy is the solution but that's where this is heading. Only 18 percent of arrest in Seattle are actually put in front of a judge. The rest are either not charged and let go or don't show up for court and the charges are dropped. The police there ignore crimes and know some of the criminals by name. One store called 911 599 times in the first year it was opened and only a few violent shoplifters were charged. Now the police ignore shoplifting calls and all other non-violent crimes. They say they are just giving the city their time for money. They have lost their desire to be the person the once were.

This attitude could spread across the country if the police are the ones being handcuffed and charged.

Maybe the police need a different approach and additional training? Maybe the suspects need to stop fighting the police if they're innocent and want to live? The guilty ones will probably keep fighting until they see others being let go and racking up long prison sentences for their efforts when they are caught or give up running?

I'm not going to find any facts I've submitted. I do have some apathy of my own. This is just my $0.02

[eyc234]

Watch it again. The car was already stopped and parked with the man sleeping in it. No law was broken. The man passed the sobriety test and offered to walk to his sister's house down the street. No law was broken. The police then tried to arrest him. For what charge? Sleeping in ones own car after having a few drinks? Interesting how we see the same events differently. Justice for all.


A law was broken, driving drunk is illegal. Being drunk in public is illegal. When he wakes up in 5 mins will he be sober and fine to drive away? Where is MADD demonstrating against drunk drivers and people thinking it is okay to drive while drunk or even tipsy? The mayor of Atlanta and all who are demonstrating need to lose someone from a drunk driver, it is illegal to drive drunk, period. If he had gotten away with the taser in his hand, car jacked a car and killed someone what would everyone have said then?

Also just saw on news that in Georgia a stun gun with a projectile is considered under the law as a deadly weapon and requires a handgun license. Do not like the taking of a life and it is a tragedy but putting yourself in danger of losing your life for being drunk is on each person.

[ColdNoMore]

The B/A was administered; he blew .108; cuffs were being put on and that’s when the perp decided to do something really stupid - resist and grab the Officer’s taser.

When he turned and fired it towards the Officer, all the rules changed and deadly force was justified. They need to learn that if they point a weapon, they will get shot.

More police with that attitude...need to retire. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Fake news?? You have to be kidding?

If only they were. :ohdear:

Tulsa Race Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre)

It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district—at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

Many survivors left Tulsa, while black and white residents who stayed in the city were silent for decades about the terror, violence, and losses of this event.

The massacre was largely omitted from local, state, and national histories.

[JulieER]

Not a thug! He had been drinking and had passed out in his car at Wendy’s. Given the current climate, not wanting to die and thought processes muddied by the alcohol, he most likely saw it was fight or die.

[retiredguy123]

If we looked up you would there be information on your criminal record or lack of.
I don't know, maybe. But, the media has been reporting on every minute detail of this case. But, there has been no mention about the record of Mr. Brooks. I think a person's record is something that police routinely check on even before they approach someone in a car, and it could have an important bearing on the case.

[Joe C.]

Yes it was justified. When the perp pointed the taser at the cop, his life WAS in danger.
Not that the taser would kill him , but that it would disable him, allowing the perp to take his sidearm.

Also, it is a misconception that the police are to "Serve And Protect".
It has been ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court that it is not the duty of law enforcement to protect us. It may be the slogan of some police departments, but it isn't their "duty".
Case in point:
A woman calls the police and says that her husband or boyfriend who has a restraining order against him has threatened her, saying that he's going to get her. Do you think that they are going to send a squad car to her house 24/7 and PROTECT her?
No....they tell her to lock her doors and call them if he comes over.
The police is a law enforcement organization.

[jerseyjoy]

Not sure the video you saw, but the man was passed out in his car in the Wendy's drive thru lane. When he was woken and exited the car, under the influence, they were trying to arrest him, when he went into a superhuman druggie rage. If you saw the video, you saw him throw two large cops off him like it was nothing. He grabbed a tazer and ran, turned and shot the weapon at one of the cops. They (or one) returned fire. I'm sure after Minneapolis the last thing they tried to do was have another public fatality on their hands. This attack on law enforcement has got to stop.

[d and k kertesz]

Your. “fake news” was covered on 60 Minutes last night. At least research before labeling. Please!!!!

[George Page]

My speech to the protesters..............

To quote Crosby Stills Nash & Young: “Teach Your Children Well”
Tell them “DO NOT RESIST“..........problem solved, everybody go home

[jbrown132]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.
I can almost guarantee you is the suspect was white the result would have been the same. My brother was a police officer for 25 years. Every day, day in and day out, these cops deal with the dregs of society and get little thanks for it. Maybe the answer is to give them six months off every three to four years to lower there stress levels.

[ColdNoMore]

Your. “fake news” was covered on 60 Minutes last night. At least research before labeling. Please!!!!
Yep. :oops:

And it was eye-opening, disgusting, sad and made decent people angry...all in one story/segment. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

I can almost guarantee you is the suspect was white the result would have been the same. My brother was a police officer for 25 years. Every day, day in and day out, these cops deal with the dregs of society and get little thanks for it. Maybe the answer is to give them six months off every three to four years to lower there stress levels.

I, and history, can almost guarantee that if the person had been white...the result would have been totally different.

[Two Bills]

The cop deserves to be sacked for being dumb, and getting involved with weapons when his life was not in danger in the first place, given the present political/racial climate.
What posessed him to think anyone is going to back him up?
Senior officers and local politicos are throwing front line cops under the bus.
If I was a cop today and there was no threat to life or limb to myself or the public at an incident, I would walk away, because if the poop hits the fan, you will get no help or backup from above!

[Dust Bunny]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.
Since the tazer is not considered a deadly weapon the officer was not justified in using deadly physical force. Plain and simple

[jarodrig]

Take it from a retired police officer with 33 years of service.

While don’t condone what happens in the aftermath (rioting , looting, arson etc.) this shooting was clearly NOT JUSTIFIED. The officer will undoubtably face criminal charges.

[starman215]

Yes, the man that was shot was wrong to resist and then take the policemans taser and then run... BUT, 2 policeman chasing a guy with a non lethal taser then firing and shooting him in the back just plain wrong.. He had already consented to a pat down, no weapons or anything to harm the policeman on his person so, why not just have 2 policeman chase him until they catch up..take him down and proceed with the handcuffing and arrest. I do believe this was excessive force.. the law allows for enough force to be used to stop the threat, that goes for the police and you and me, in case anyone is thinking of the stand your ground rule.

[Cranford61]

Actually, yes he can shoot the thug.Who deemed him a “thug”?
He had a drink too many and barely over the breathalyzer limit..just like a huge group of Villagers. Aren’t we all “thugs”at certain times?

[MOJO2674]

The shooting was justified. If this guy succeeded in hitting the Officer with the taser , it would have incapacitated the Officer thus giving the perpetrator the opportunity to return and take the Officer’s gun and you could have two dead cops. A chance you don’t want to take . Also the Police Chief should not have stepped down . Seattle is coming to town near you !

[Don Ferguson]

Watch it again. The car was already stopped and parked with the man sleeping in it. No law was broken. The man passed the sobriety test and offered to walk to his sister's house down the street. No law was broken. The police then tried to arrest him. For what charge? Sleeping in ones own car after having a few drinks? Interesting how we see the same events differently. Justice for all.

You conveniently omit one HUGE item! The man didn't park his car someplace and fall asleep. The police responded to a call from Wendy's. The man fell asleep in the drive thru line and was blocking the line for customers to use.

[Stu from NYC]

Take it from a retired police officer with 33 years of service.

While don’t condone what happens in the aftermath (rioting , looting, arson etc.) this shooting was clearly NOT JUSTIFIED. The officer will undoubtably face criminal charges.

But shouldnt the officer have gotten due process before being fired? I do not believe all fact are in yet.

What is going to happen is cops are going to look the other way in doing their duties and we will all suffer.

[Pmelo]

No it was not. You don't kill a human being for stealing the taser you failed to protect. Killing a human being should be your last option. Police training should reflect this.

[billethkid]

Here we all sit with our opinions and interpretations, which is fine.

However NONE of us are/were invested in the stress, adrenaline, and emotion of the incident.

Sitting in the comfort of our home, relaxed at the keyboard watching an instant replay and making a call.

And the instant media getting out first leaves too many decision makers with the task of worrying more about how they decide will fit.

Due process has become a victim of 24/7 instant coverage, hence in actuality, no longer exists. It has been replaced by public opinion.

[jarodrig]

But shouldnt the officer have gotten due process before being fired? I do not believe all fact are in yet.

What is going to happen is cops are going to look the other way in doing their duties and we will all suffer.

I agree. Different states and municipalities have different rules when it comes to hiring and firing.

An officer in Rochester, NY where I retired from , would have been suspended with pay pending formal hearings, investigations and the rest of the “due process”. The exception to the “due process” thing would be if an officer is in their “probationary period”. All gloves are off then and the officer can be fired without the formalities.

Rest assured , though, given the facts being presented as of today ( video, etc.) , the same conclusion would be reached ..... that is, the officer was clearly NOT JUSTIFIED in this shooting......

I might add that I spent 5 years as a Sgt. assigned to our Internal Affairs Section and during my last 11 years of duty , I was assigned as an investigator with the Monroe County District Attorney’s Office . I know quite well with first hand experience how the system works.

Needless to say , I was part of a team that responded to and investigated police involved shootings and my “opinion “ is based on actual first hand experience.


In Rochester, that conclusion would probably take months as a Grand Jury would be convened to review the case . It takes time ....

[DavidK]

Police are permitted to use one level of force higher than the force being used against them. In this case, although a taser may not be a deadly weapon, but one level up, therefore, permits the use of a gun. Police are taught to stop threats to their own death or other innocents. This does not include shooting the person in the leg or foot to stop him because a person with a bullet in the leg can continue to be a deadly threat. Had the policemen been taken down by the taser the fleeing person could have returned and taken the gun from the policeman and shot him or others. Shooting a fleeing person in the back is not justified unless the fleeing person remains a threat by engaging in the use of force that poses a deadly threat.

[LowOnCash]

Its the heat of the moment - he should have know the instant he pulled the trigger his life and ours would change forever!

God bless our divided country!

[TooColdNJ]

Why the hell can't people just comply? This crap is avoidable if people would just comply! I'm not saying who's right or wrong, it's just avoidable.
Steve

100% correct. But shoot him??

The driver was reported for sleeping in his car, not pulled over while driving. I know it’s illegal to be behind the wheel of a car (in that condition), driving or not. Maybe he stopped because he couldn’t or knew he shouldn’t be driving.
Their approaching him wasn’t racially motivated, and he was respectful to and treated respectably by the officers. The officers clearly followed protocol.

I’m NOT suggesting that the driver’s actions were acceptable in any way. The driver was drunk, which definitely impairs a person’s judgement and subsequent actions. The officers in pursuit by foot did warn him several times to stop, and their actions were completely justified... until they they shot him.

No excuses- not even that his wife died 1- 1/2 years ago. When he was told to return to his car and “don’t go anywhere,” he could have driven away- but he didn’t. Instead, he resisted arrest, fought them, and grabbed the officer’s taser, still all clearly wrong. While tasers ARE weapons, they don’t kill anyone. By running away, the guy made things much worse than they could have been, but the officer didn’t drop to the ground, nor was he specific about where he was tased when asked, just like the guy didn’t remember what kind of drinks he had, which wasn’t relative. If a person is tased, I would think they’d know exactly where the taser hit him. Is there proof that the cop was tased? I couldn’t tell in the video.

Was the car stolen? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he carrying a gun or were there drugs in his car? While he was running AWAY, he was no threat to the officers’ lives. Did he point a gun at them?

If the driver got that far away, rather than shoot the guy, they could have backed off. Not only were they in no danger, but they had his license and his car. Under the circumstances, especially with all of the current tension, shooting the driver as he ran off was not the best decision. Instead, since they couldn’t catch him, the cops could have stopped their chase- they could have had his car impounded. He wouldn’t be dead now. Eventually he would have found his way home, maybe slept it off, and then cops could have been sent to his home with a warrant for his arrest. I’m sure that’s happened at one time or another. Why not this time?

[TooColdNJ]

Firings.....knee jerk politicians (like the mayor of Seattle) rolling over and caving in to the current wave of lawlessness. Making the LEO back away from the area to allow the lawlessness to continue.

As this continues more and more LEO members will become more passive when encountering unlawful incidents.
Which will in turn lead to more criminals and thugs getting away with their crimes.

Those who serve and protect are in danger of being emasculated by those who run cities and states.

What individual, black or any other, in their right mind in this day and age would fight police, resist arrest, run away and shoot at police???

Obviously, being drunk, the man wasn’t in his right mind. Did he shoot at the officers to KILL THEM? With a taser? There are times when LEO could be more passive, not all the time. In this situation there were other options, not in all situations.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

It does not matter what he was or wasn’t doing on video before he was shot , he was running away and was only carrying a non lethal weapon at the time . . You cannot shot a man running away in a he back and I can’t believe so many people can seem so gleeful over someone dying over such a trivial crime , they had his car and ID could have picked him up anytime

[Scorpyo]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.
I don’t know if you really believe what you say or just like stirring the pot. You said “Lasers are not Lethal”. You didn’t say lasers can’t kill. Google “Can lasers kill”. Yes they can and lots of people have been killed by them. What if the cop wasn’t killed and only disabled? Guess what, his gun would have been available to be taken. Of course he would not take the gun, everyone knew he was a nice guy. But he only resisted. I noticed most media outlets are not showing the video where the gentle perp punched the cop in the face. I think that exceeds gentle resistance. Lastly the cop shot him in the back. The perp had his head and arm turned to the cop. The cop should have aimed for his head which was facing the cop then he would not have shot him in the back. Or the cop should have asked him to turn around. After all he was being so compliant.

[billethkid]

At this point it seems what has been eliminated is the usual due process leading to a conclusion and then action.

The need for an investigation has been replaced by a need to satisfy the media and what ever current special interest is the hot topic of the day.

[Bernie1]

I think your asking the wrong questions.
1. Why did he resist ?
2. Why did he take the taser?
3. Why did he run?
3. Why did he fire at the cop?
4. Would you have done any of these things?

Number 1 started the chain of events. Right or wrong - take out #1 and none of this would have happened.
No this man should not pay with his life for bad judgement we need a different way of apprehending people who refuse to cooperate with law enforcement.

[Joanne19335]

missed a significant detail.................the thug started to physically fight the officers once an officer got behind him to handcuff him.


guess he was never taught not to fight an officer.


The officer should’ve taken into consideration that the man was drunk and disoriented. The officer should have told Brooks that He was under arrest for DUI rather than simply pull his hands behind him. Brooks panicked and ran with the taser. Brooks never should have died by getting 2 rounds in the back. He never should have resisted, but this could have been handled differently. Now a cop will lose his job and probably be charged with manslaughter or worse.

[transplanted]

I hope the officer sues for wrongful termination. He will win..

I am personally VERY familiar with bold face lying accusations that were proven to be so, against an officer who after 8 months of suspension, humiliation, loss of about $50K in part time work, $60K expense to tax payers to investigate, a grand jury who couldn't even find the drunk/high scum bag to question, was told the lying rat wouldn't even be brought up on filing a false police report because it might deter true victims. UNTOUCHABLE - it's not politically correct.

[bluecenturian]

Please know the facts before you speak your ignorance.

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

The manufactures of tasers recommend that officers get tased during training to understand the incapacitation that occurs. If a person tases an officer, the officer has absolutely no way of weapon retention and the person can know take his/her gun to use against him.

The judge in the earlier case 2 weeks ago said that Atlanta officers used deadly force when they tased the teens in the car. Can’t have it both ways.

The officer was NOT picking up his brass, he picked up his tased which he dropped, which was deployed and did not work. For you to say something you have no clue about is reckless.

I’m sure you didn’t hear about the Ft Meyers officer arrested for child abuse because he stopped a woman for speeding and she had drugs in her and rather than arrest her he gave her a citation. 3 months later she was high and driving and got into an accident and killed her daughter. The officer is arrested for failing to take action 3 months prior.

What do you want ? Arrest criminals, look the other way because they are just innocent people. Maybe you should Ride along with the cops and you decide when they should make an arrest based on your EXPERT knowledge.

[RMarkland]

Cannot agree more than the above post. In Ferguson MO, Minneapolis, Atlanta, and the above Chicago video, had the "victim" just followed the LEO directions they would be alive today.

[Fuzz323]

:bigbow:The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.

The Review Board up there could use your - Bah I am not going to go there. I will simply say that if this keeps up you will find that damn few decent young men of any color are going to be interested in a career in law enforcement unless they can not find a job elsewhere.

Even as it stands right now an experienced younger officer is going start looking for employment in another field if he has less than say ten years on the job. The ones with a lot of time on are just going to look the other way rather than taking a chance on losing everything because what they do in a given situation does not fit the public eye correctly.

What most of the public does not seem aware of or care about is that these situations occur in a heartbeat and action is required in the same amount of time. Then a group (board?) of folks who have never been in one of these situations in their lifetime sits for months and judges what was done in those split seconds. :1rotfl::ohdear:

Soon dialing 911 may not be worth the time it takes?

[jarodrig]

But shouldnt the officer have gotten due process before being fired? I do not believe all fact are in yet.

What is going to happen is cops are going to look the other way in doing their duties and we will all suffer.

I agree ..... but like I said, different states and specifically, different municipalities, have their own procedures. Apparently, the actions taken after this incident must have been appropriate for them .

Don’t worry , though, the officer will see all kinds of “due process “ once he’s criminally charged !

[MandoMan]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

Actually, the offender had placed a drive-thru order at Wendy’s and fallen asleep behind the while before he picked up his food. Perhaps he had placed the car in Park or turned it off. Other cars in line were driving around his car to pick up their orders. That’s suspicious. Especially when it does on for ten minutes. However, I’ve fallen asleep at traffic lights a couple times in mid afternoon. It’s scary and dangerous. I can sympathize.

There’s no excuse for resisting arrest, attacking the cops, knocking them to the ground, or stealing a Taser about to be used on one, or trying to shoot it at one of the cops. That was a really stupid move. I believe in law and order. I don’t like to see that. The man’s actions should be taken into account as mitigating circumstances.

However, it is hard to be seriously injured much less killed by a man armed only with a just fired taser who is running away. The lives of these cops were no longer in danger, even though they were in danger seconds before and facing a reprimand for losing a Taser to a person resisting arrest. They had the man’s car, keys, address, access to his family. Picking him up later or having other cops pick him up later would be the logical choice. This was not a man who had just shot someone and was carrying a firearm. The danger was minimal.

I know adrenaline flows and people get carried away and make mistakes, but this was NOT a clean shooting.

As for the people who burned down that Wendy’s, though, I hope they are caught and receive long prison terms for arson, perhaps aggravated by it being a hate crime.

[cherylncliff]

Fight with an officer, you have a good chance of being shot.

No matter what color you are, or what color the officer is.

It's not a color issue.

After the George Floyd case, not resisting can be a death sentence if you are black. I have not seen any reports that Mr. Brooks fired the taser. He was fleeing at the time and was shot in the back. Mr. Brooks death has been ruled a homicide.

[mjpuleo]

yes, i think that shooting was justified!!!!!!

[MandoMan]

They say, "The good ones always die young."


Don't know who "they are.


Don't know what it take to be a "good one".


Don't know what "young" is.


Don't know why I posted this.


:shocked:

Fortunately, often the bad also die young.

[mjpuleo]

Cannot agree more than the above post. In Ferguson MO, Minneapolis, Atlanta, and the above Chicago video, had the "victim" just followed the LEO directions they would be alive today.

Absolutely justified!!!! Enough already about our police officers--why don't they make a stink over all the looters and protesters and how police officers are being attacked and killed by them. Capt. Dolan, 77 years old, was trying to stop a looter and was shot dead--put his name on the news and all over the media every day instead of these "animals".

[manaboutown]

Although I have not verified it I read Brooks was out of prison on a COVID-19 release. Had he been kept there doing his time he likely would be alive today. He has a very long rap sheet including conviction for cruelty to children...another great role model to idolize?

As soon as they started to handcuff him he commenced resisting arrest, violently, perhaps because he did not want to go back to the slammer.

[Scorpyo]

Who deemed him a “thug”?
He had a drink too many and barely over the breathalyzer limit..just like a huge group of Villagers. Aren’t we all “thugs”at certain times?
Yeah you're right. He only had a couple of drinks and obviously was no threat to anyone. Just like us Villagers who only have a few drinks. After all we feel "fine" when we get behind the wheel of a car and drive home. Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm a certified DUI instructor in the state of Georgia. Thousands, not hundreds, of people die every year as a result of driving while impaired. But they and probably you based on what you wrote felt "fine". The felt part refers to physical impairment. Very few people know about the other impairment called mental impairment. So, the cops should have let him go. So, no consequence to driving while impaired. So, no consequence, so why not do it again. Only maybe next time he'll wind up killing someone while driving impaired. Damn cops should have arrested him the first time. But what are the odds of him hurting or killing someone? Here watch this and maybe you'll get a different perspective on driving while impaired.

30 years after 27 died in worst drunk-driving crash, survivors ask if enough has changed - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-years-27-died-worst-drunk-driving-crash/story?id=55119258)

[JIMLUPO77]

You missed 75% of the video ………………... Just like cnn !!!!!!

[TooColdNJ]

As a former state trooper from Ohio, I agree with your statement. From what I gleen from the newscast covering this incident, the man had fallen asleep in his car while in the take out lane. In my experince I found that the act of resisting arrest usually begins when the offender is being placed in handcuffs - at that point anything can happen, and in this case it did.

There are a number of options the police could have considered taking in this incident that wouldn't have resulted in the man's death. First, if they suspected he was under the influence, but hadn't seen him drive, they could have removed him from the vehicle, had it towed, and called someone to pick him up. As Steve notes, police are allowed to use deadly force only in those instances where deadly force is being used against them, or others. A stun gun doesn't fit that definition. If the officer had been struck by one of the stun gun electrodes, yes he could have become disabled, but don't forget, there was a second officer present, and the stun gun can only be used once.

So, I ask myself what would I have done if I had been faced with this situation? Based on my training on when to use and not use deadly force, my decision would not have resulted in someone dying. I would have known who he is, thus I could pick him up with a warrant later on, I'd have his car impounded, and it wouldn't be released until he gave himself up. What about the stun gun? Well, he might as well be carrying around a box of Q-Tips, because it is no longer of any use as a weapon to be fired at a distance.

I feel badly for the officer, and of course for the decedent as well. The officer was fired immediately, and that is not the way it should have played out. He could have been relieved of duty until all facts were presented, and then suspended/fired depending on the findings. My guess would be that he will be charged criminally, but will probably be found not guilty based on the totality of the circumstances.

Police work is confounding! It involves 80% of boredom, 15% of heart racing interactions, and 5% of adrenaline pumping terror. We must make instantanious decisions that will effect lives on both sides. We are second guessed, we are both admired and despised, but there is one thing that I can say without reservation, we don't start out a work shift looking to kill someone.

Since you were a police officer, I commend you for good judgement, something that’s lacking in so many of these situations. I read this after my lengthy reply. I’m sure there are plenty of officers who think as you do and see that there are exceptions to shoot or be shot. Those who don’t are probably in the minority, but their actions are often racially motivated. Those are the few who quite possible DO come to work thinking about how many (black) people they can get off the streets today. They are the few who abuse their power and ultimately the ones responsible for these unnecessary deaths, in addition to the need for a guy like this to resist and flee- for fear of the treatment he’ll have to endure after seeing it over and over again by those aforementioned LEOs. It’s wrong and more harmful to resist arrest, but I can understand how fear for his own life in this case, possibly due to his drunken and irrational state, is a real issue these days.

[Indydealmaker]

He was not shot in the back.

[golfing eagles]

What you didn’t include was when the man fired the taser at the officer, it was not accurate, as you can imagine if one is drunk, scared, running, and trying to shoot with something he is not trained to use. Here is the article in more detail: Video Investigation: How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by Atlanta Police - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200615&instance_id=19394&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=28900523&segment_id=30915&user_id=c9417ad5f0da7577d07275501cc23d65)

So the officer was supposed to give him another shot at it??????

[coastalnh]

I totally agree with Anothersteve - He should have complied. However fighting with police, running away, and shooting a taser do not warrant being shot in the back. The policeman took his gun out of his holster and fired AFTER the suspect had turned around and started running again. That is so wrong.

[golfing eagles]

Good or bad he does not deserve to be dead for being intoxicated and sleeping in his car.

He's not dead because he was drunk and sleeping in his car. He's dead because he resisted arrest and then grabbed a weapon from the officer

[Topspinmo]

All Atlanta police force should go on strike and walk off the job in till hostile work environment settled.

[Scorpyo]

You missed 75% of the video ………………... Just like cnn !!!!!!
Were you referring to me? If yes, what video are you referring to? If you're referring to the 27 dead, oh yes I have the complete video. I showed that in every class. It's quite long and was on TV as well. And what is the CNN reference? I'm assuming you were not replying to me, therefore, in the future, please link to whom you're replying. It's less confusing.

[ffresh]

All of these statements concerning this incident, with so many assumptions on the part of the some posters, are rather frightening. I would certainly pray that you would not be on my jury, should I ever be accused of a crime. Facts should be what we base our opinions and comments upon, not suppositions or assumptions. "He was scared", he thought the officer was going to tase him, etc. are assumptions and jumping to conclusions without having all of the known evidence. That's what juries are for - to hear the evidence and render a verdict and prior to that, our statements should be "guarded".

Common sense would lead one to conjecture, however, that a perp, once stopped by police, acts aggressively for one or more reasons: under the influence of drugs, which are affecting "better judgement", an outstanding warrant, which would put him behind bars, once again, for a long time and he deems the risk-versus-reward equation to be in his favor at the time. Most rational individuals, when confronted by armed policemen issuing reasonable orders, choose to comply and sort out the differences in a court of law. I posit that these are not rational individuals and, once a scuffle ensues and the adrenalin flows, all bets are off.

To assert that these unfortunate occurrences, infrequent as they are STATISTICALLY (research your facts) to racism, says more about the biases of the accuser than the person/cop who is being accused. I am not posting to defend cops, nor to condemn a given suspect. I consider myself a seeker of the truth - wherever it leads me. Sometimes it leads to an uncomfortable discovery but, nevertheless, it's the TRUTH. Statistics generally tell the story (although I have a college tome "How To Lie With Statistics" on my shelf, LOL) and, in these cases, "It's an uncomfortable truth but blacks commit crimes at nearly three times the rate that whites do. Blacks commit 36% of the violent crime in the US even though they are only 13% of the population. So … the likelihood of an encounter with the police is significantly greater if you're black AND, if you don't comply with their orders and aggressively resist - BAD things can happen!

It's no more complicated than this and "racism" on the part of police is statistically proven to be insignificant. Like with doctors, bad judgement kills far more often than not.

Fred :spoken:

[Steve9930]

As a former state trooper from Ohio, I agree with your statement. From what I gleen from the newscast covering this incident, the man had fallen asleep in his car while in the take out lane. In my experince I found that the act of resisting arrest usually begins when the offender is being placed in handcuffs - at that point anything can happen, and in this case it did.

There are a number of options the police could have considered taking in this incident that wouldn't have resulted in the man's death. First, if they suspected he was under the influence, but hadn't seen him drive, they could have removed him from the vehicle, had it towed, and called someone to pick him up. As Steve notes, police are allowed to use deadly force only in those instances where deadly force is being used against them, or others. A stun gun doesn't fit that definition. If the officer had been struck by one of the stun gun electrodes, yes he could have become disabled, but don't forget, there was a second officer present, and the stun gun can only be used once.

So, I ask myself what would I have done if I had been faced with this situation? Based on my training on when to use and not use deadly force, my decision would not have resulted in someone dying. I would have known who he is, thus I could pick him up with a warrant later on, I'd have his car impounded, and it wouldn't be released until he gave himself up. What about the stun gun? Well, he might as well be carrying around a box of Q-Tips, because it is no longer of any use as a weapon to be fired at a distance.

I feel badly for the officer, and of course for the decedent as well. The officer was fired immediately, and that is not the way it should have played out. He could have been relieved of duty until all facts were presented, and then suspended/fired depending on the findings. My guess would be that he will be charged criminally, but will probably be found not guilty based on the totality of the circumstances.

Police work is confounding! It involves 80% of boredom, 15% of heart racing interactions, and 5% of adrenaline pumping terror. We must make instantanious decisions that will effect lives on both sides. We are second guessed, we are both admired and despised, but there is one thing that I can say without reservation, we don't start out a work shift looking to kill someone.

Thanks for this common sense approach. I was Military Police while I was in the service many years ago, Many, many years ago. Unless you do the job you have no idea what the stress level can be. People just get stupid sometimes. When I was doing this job things were different then today. I agree with you and would have handled it in the same way. I got his name, his car, I got him. During my years there was more respect for the uniform I wore. Today not so much. I have a son who is now a Police Captain and was glad when he got off of patrolling the streets. I liked his little saying: "Sir, I'm not here to hold court. Tell it to the judge". I would have hoped that he had been in that situation he would have handled as you and I would have. Thanks again for a common sense post. They ae getting fewer and fewer to find. And thanks for your service to the community.

[JimJohnson]

I watched all the videos and I call it murder!

[fdpaq0580]

I, and history, can almost guarantee that if the person had been white...the result would have been totally different.

Thanks for standing up for the underdog. It is a noble pursuit, imho. I don't always agree, however, with whom you identify as the real underdog in each scenario.
Both you and the post you responded to used nearly identical phrases to demonstrate opposite points of view. Imo, the phrase "almost guarantee" is really just a "maybe" or "perhaps", and the the words "would have been totally" should be replaced by "might possibly have been somewhat" different. Any time the word "if" is used the argument, pro or con, pretty much falls apart.
We have all been doing way to much Monday morning and armchair quarterbacking. This incident, like many others of late, are being viewed from many angles, but the points of view we never get to see, the view of the actual participants, we will never really know.
ALL of these horrible occurrences would have avoided "IF" ... there's that word again.

[OhioBuckeye]

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.
No, he took the breathalyzer, with no issues, but when the police tried to cuff him that’s when the resistance started. The police didn’t get mean or mouthy with him. That’s when he eventually got shot. All this guy had to do is do
what the police wanted, probably pay a fine & maybe a night in jail. This guy got shot over something stupid he did. It’s hard to feel sorry for him like G. Floyd. This guys lawyer is full of S _ _ _ about his defense. Hope the courts don’t suck up to these 2 racist lawyers. Judges & lawyers are scared to death to do anything because they’re afraid what the black community will do.

[Curtisbwp]

Dumb!! A simple "yes sir" would have been the peaceful end.



I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

[Topspinmo]

Watch it again. The car was already stopped and parked with the man sleeping in it. No law was broken. The man passed the sobriety test and offered to walk to his sister's house down the street. No law was broken. The police then tried to arrest him. For what charge? Sleeping in ones own car after having a few drinks? Interesting how we see the same events differently. Justice for all.


We’ve got eye witness, judge and jury. Case closed.

[Steve9930]

I wish people would get the words correct. Shootings that end in a person's death, is called a "Homicide". Its not a murder until there is a trial and some one is found guilt.

[fdpaq0580]

Very well stated.

[Byte1]

The COP was totally justified in using his firearm. I figure if everyone can prosecute a COP for murder based on a video, then I can judge a COP with justifiable homicide by a video. If you fight a COP, he is justified in using the amount of force necessary to subdue you, including lethal force IF he fears that his life may be in jeopardy. If you point a weapon at a COP be prepared to be put down....for good. If you swing a bat at a COP he can shoot you. If you point a knife at a COP he can shoot you. If you use a taser on a COP the COP knows that the next step COULD be that while he is paralyzed the perp can take his gun and kill him or someone else. The COP can shoot you. Case closed.

[Byte1]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/hold-your-hats-307693/

Steve

Suicide by COP. Cheaper than his purchasing a gun, when he can get someone else to assist him.

[The Mountaineer]

Better to let him escape than to kill him. Human issue.

[Byte1]

Thank a police officer every chance you get.

I always try to pay for their meal if I see them in a restaurant, but it seems someone else has beat me to it, most of the time. Some folks care and some folks (very few I hope) look at them as if they are the enemy.

[Bellavita]

No. First the guy was sleeping in his car. Drank too much. Did not have weapon. He resisted arrest he took stun gun, not a lethal weapon ran. The cop sot him in the back running away. Did the guy USA poor judgement yes was he a threat of death to the cops no. Dead for drinking too much. With all these protests wouldn’t you think police would be thinking clearer? It makes me think it is worse than we think a question of shoot any black man that moves. So sad and not necessary. They had the guys car they could have found him later. They patted him down no weapon. Murder

[D.C.Villager]

He has a record - I saw it on truthfinder (online background check)

The media will not tell you this

[D.C.Villager]

If the drunk fellow used the taser on the cop, the cop would be in danger. And the drunk fellow would take the cop's firearm

[coffeebean]

But, apparently, the guilty person was the owner of the Wendy's restaurant. I guess that is why someone burned down his restaurant and put him out of business.

Will someone PLEASE explain to me why the store was burned down? Why do these thugs feel it necessary to destroy property? I’m at a loss with the critical thinking that is surely lacking with the people who commit arson. They can get away with it. Is that the reason?

[Lindsyburnsy]

The guy was drunk. The cops know what distance they have to be away, from getting hit with the taser. They shot him in the back. Why couldn't these cops have just called the guy's wife to pick him up and move his car?The shooting was not justified. Cops need to be trained how to de-escalate and situation, not pull a gun every time someone runs away from them.

I watched the video of this tonight and what I saw was the cops stopped a car. They felt that the driver was under the influence so they gave him a field sobriety test. It looked to me that they were about to give him a breathalyzer. He grabbed the officers taser and started running. The officer gave chase and at one point the man turned and fired the taser at the officer. The officer returned fire and killed the man.

Was that shooting justified?

The police chief has resigned, the officer has been fired and his partner suspended.

[Byte1]

As a former state trooper from Ohio, I agree with your statement. From what I gleen from the newscast covering this incident, the man had fallen asleep in his car while in the take out lane. In my experince I found that the act of resisting arrest usually begins when the offender is being placed in handcuffs - at that point anything can happen, and in this case it did.

There are a number of options the police could have considered taking in this incident that wouldn't have resulted in the man's death. First, if they suspected he was under the influence, but hadn't seen him drive, they could have removed him from the vehicle, had it towed, and called someone to pick him up. As Steve notes, police are allowed to use deadly force only in those instances where deadly force is being used against them, or others. A stun gun doesn't fit that definition. If the officer had been struck by one of the stun gun electrodes, yes he could have become disabled, but don't forget, there was a second officer present, and the stun gun can only be used once.

So, I ask myself what would I have done if I had been faced with this situation? Based on my training on when to use and not use deadly force, my decision would not have resulted in someone dying. I would have known who he is, thus I could pick him up with a warrant later on, I'd have his car impounded, and it wouldn't be released until he gave himself up. What about the stun gun? Well, he might as well be carrying around a box of Q-Tips, because it is no longer of any use as a weapon to be fired at a distance.

I feel badly for the officer, and of course for the decedent as well. The officer was fired immediately, and that is not the way it should have played out. He could have been relieved of duty until all facts were presented, and then suspended/fired depending on the findings. My guess would be that he will be charged criminally, but will probably be found not guilty based on the totality of the circumstances.

Police work is confounding! It involves 80% of boredom, 15% of heart racing interactions, and 5% of adrenaline pumping terror. We must make instantanious decisions that will effect lives on both sides. We are second guessed, we are both admired and despised, but there is one thing that I can say without reservation, we don't start out a work shift looking to kill someone.

Some police Dept.s do not permit their officers to allow a DUI to be let off to go home, or even have them transported home. Some drunks will get into another car and go out and kill someone. It happened many years ago in MD for instance. A drunk was taken home by a friendly COP, where he got his second set of keys and got into his truck to drive somewhere for another drink. He drove down Rt301 in the North bound lane and crashed head on into an old couple that had stopped at a toll both at the MD to VA toll bridge.
Today's Tasers have two shots before reloading and can be triggered to send more charges to the wire connected probes to maintain control of the detainee.
I do not know of any police Dept that would allow their members to be tased without allowing them to defend themselves. If the Dept does not back this guy up, then there is a major problem in this country, and this really IS a racial problem. Because if that guy was white, and the COP was either white or black, there would be no question that it was justified.

[Joyce952]

I hope the officer sues for wrongful termination. He will win..

No matter what, he should not have shot him and killed him. The cop murdered that young man

[ColdNoMore]

Will someone PLEASE explain to me why the store was burned down? Why do these thugs feel it necessary to destroy property? I’m at a loss with the critical thinking that is surely lacking with the people who commit arson. They can get away with it. Is that the reason?

Anger.

Better an unoccupied building suffers, than the anger generated from someone taking away your taser...and you exercising that anger by shooting and killing them in the back. :ohdear:

[bmarasco]

To those that ‘serve and protect’ ...
abbreviated 1934 obituary for my great great uncle .. With the passing of John Marasco, last sunday night, DesMoines lost one of its eldest Italian American residents and pioneers. Mr Marasco was born in Italy in 1854 and came to America ... For the past 34 years, he has been a resident of Des Moines and has been employed by the city police department for 27 years. While in this position, he made friends with thousands of his neighbors. He is survived by his widow and 6 children. He was known among the Italian and American people for his active service in the protection of his community. His many friends mourn his passing and send sincere condolences to his family ...

I guess it’s not 1934 anymore !!!

[chuggmeister]

Right on, my brutha!!

[ffresh]

Since you were a police officer, I commend you for good judgement, something that’s lacking in so many of these situations. I read this after my lengthy reply. I’m sure there are plenty of officers who think as you do and see that there are exceptions to shoot or be shot. Those who don’t are probably in the minority, but their actions are often racially motivated. Those are the few who quite possible DO come to work thinking about how many (black) people they can get off the streets today. They are the few who abuse their power and ultimately the ones responsible for these unnecessary deaths, in addition to the need for a guy like this to resist and flee- for fear of the treatment he’ll have to endure after seeing it over and over again by those aforementioned LEOs. It’s wrong and more harmful to resist arrest, but I can understand how fear for his own life in this case, possibly due to his drunken and irrational state, is a real issue these days.

WOW! Quite an assertion. And YOU know this how?

Fred

[allsport]

The problem that is not being identified is that it is unreasonable to think you can negotiate with people under the influence. Nurses in the ER do it every day and have learned how even when they become combative. Aggressive behavior never works and when you use it, you escalate the situation. Appropriate community safety would be to either let him run to his house or talk to him and give him time to get sober. Those actions could be taken by non police individuals. Current policing is filled with men and some women who get off on power and dominance. Psychological evaluations should be done every six months on police and those with anger management issues need to be terminated or treated.

[ColdNoMore]

The problem that is not being identified is that it is unreasonable to think you can negotiate with people under the influence. Nurses in the ER do it every day and have learned how even when they become combative. Aggressive behavior never works and when you use it, you escalate the situation. Appropriate community safety would be to either let him run to his house or talk to him and give him time to get sober. Those actions could be taken by non police individuals. Current policing is filled with men and some women who get off on power and dominance. Psychological evaluations should be done every six months on police and those with anger management issues need to be terminated or treated.

Excellent points. :thumbup:

I will also add, that I think the low starting salary in so many cases/areas...tends to draw (or at least not deter) those types. :ohdear:

[ffresh]

I watched all the videos and I call it murder!

BUT … you haven't heard all of the known evidence! That's why (in my other post) I pray that "discerning" individuals who do not rush to judgement, sit on a "jury of my peers", if ever necessary :ohdear:

Fred

[Byte1]

I watched all the videos and I call it murder!

I call it cleaning up the streets. Probably saved a lot of lives.

[Stu from NYC]

BUT … you haven't heard all of the known evidence! That's why (in my other post) I pray that "discerning" individuals who do not rush to judgement, sit on a "jury of my peers", if ever necessary :ohdear:

Fred

Why wait till all the evidence is in why not just hang the guy now. Glad we have impartial jurors to decide guilt or evidence at the end of the trial.

[Byte1]

No matter what, he should not have shot him and killed him. The cop murdered that young man

He probably deserved it. Probably saved his family and many citizens of this country a lot of pain. He saved the taxpayer a lot of money for court and jail time. It was not murder though, unless you know something that no one else knows and the COP knew him and plotted to kill him. I am sure that like others, his family will cash in on this. Probably the only good thing he did for them.

[ColdNoMore]

He probably deserved it. Probably saved his family and many citizens of this country a lot of pain. He saved the taxpayer a lot of money for court and jail time. It was not murder though, unless you know something that no one else knows and the COP knew him and plotted to kill him. I am sure that like others, his family will cash in on this. Probably the only good thing he did for them.
Unbelievable! :oops:


Anyone still wonder, why there are so many people protesting...for equal justice for ALL? :ohdear:

[Bucco]

Why the hell can't people just comply? This crap is avoidable if people would just comply! I'm not saying who's right or wrong, it's just avoidable.
Steve

Wondering if you read the local, not to be mentioned, news about activity HERE IN THE VILLAGES ?

Do you wonder about those folks also......most are drunk Villagers.

[Two Bills]

He probably deserved it. Probably saved his family and many citizens of this country a lot of pain. He saved the taxpayer a lot of money for court and jail time. It was not murder though, unless you know something that no one else knows and the COP knew him and plotted to kill him. I am sure that like others, his family will cash in on this. Probably the only good thing he did for them.

I very seldom agree with CNM, but regarding this post I do.
The post is as low as it gets. Shameful.

[TomPerrett]

Even in the old western movies it was unlawfully to shoot a man in the back while he’s running away. Bottom line.

Every time A black person get unlawfully killed. There are riots. Solution : stop killing people in the streets just because you can.

When I was young Policemen were peace officers today they are a kick ass and take names squad. And there were thugs and gangs back then as well. There was also a lot of organized crime families all across the country. On top of that there were Motorcycle gangs just getting started and they run rampant over civilians trying to establish their culture.

I’m sure there are Exceptions but in these last several black people killings In recent memory none of these people were armed. Furthermore there were always several policeman at the scene when these assaults the place. You would think but several trained policeman Could easily contain any one person.
Something is really wrong in this picture !

[Scorpyo]

Love the cop haters. They already have the cop charged and convicted so let’s skip everything and go directly to execution. To hell with that due process crap.

Let’s backup and look at what we know and more importantly what we don’t know. We know that Brooks violently resisted arrest. We don’t know why and neither did the cops. They just knew he resisted violently to the point of punching one in the face and taking the taser. Why did he take the taser? Again, we don’t know. Was it so the cop couldn’t use it on him? If he took it use it why didn’t he do it right then and there? He had the opportunity. Again we don’t know. Given the violent nature of his resistance were the cops now compelled to apprehend? Why did he resist so violent to a measly DUI? Was he hiding something else? We and the cops don't know. Did the cops ever search him for weapons or contraband? We don’t know but they probably hadn’t. They usually do so once they arrest someone. They didn’t get to that point. He resisted and broke loose. Lastly he turned and pointed something at the cop. Given that the cops probably did not, as yet, search him, was the cop 100% (not 99% or less) sure that it was the taser being pointed at him and not a gun? After all the cop had plenty of time to determine what it was and make a decision of what to do – what maybe 1 second. Again, something we do not know. When something is pointed at a cop especially during an altercation how are they supposed to react? Actually we all know the answer to that. Cop haters - he should do nothing and maybe get shot himself. Cop supporters - shoot immediately to protect himself and possibly others. How many people have been shot by turning with a cell phone or keys in their hands? But all the Monday morning cop hating quarterbacks knew it was a taser. I guess we must admit and apparently accept the fact that nowadays it’s fashionable to rush to judgement and convict when it’s a white cop / black suspect shooting, even by an alleged retired cop who responded to this thread. So let’s skip any possible exculpatory evidence and get right to the execution. Screw that due process crap!

[sloanst]

He will lose. A taser has been deemed a non-lethal weapon in the courts, multiple times. No other actions could be deemed as placing no one in immediate danger. The subject was fleeing, that was all. The officer's had is car and identity. He could've been picked up later. The officer will be charged with a homicide.

[anothersteve]

Unbelievable! :oops:


Anyone still wonder, why there are so many people protesting...for equal justice for ALL? :ohdear:


Yep..... equal justice for all.........except if you are a white cop that shoots a black person.
I feel so bad for the cops.....there is so much hatred. I'm tired of hearing it.....I'm tired of seeing it.
Steve

[Stu from NYC]

Yep..... equal justice for all.........except if you are a white cop that shoots a black person.
I feel so bad for the cops.....there is so much hatred. I'm tired of hearing it.....I'm tired of seeing it.
Steve

We will all lose when cops walk away from trouble and protecting us.

[kathy1516]

The police are already on pins and needles. It is because politicians are kow- towing to the mob and do not have the guts to stand up to them and protect their constituents. It is better to let their cities burn. Anarchy will reign. America is in trouble and our enemies are gleefully watching. Thank a police officer revert chance you get.
Great message! I’m waiting for the police across this country to say enough and a mass walkout occurs. See how well these liberal left Namby Bamby mayors and governors are going to handle security then!

[Byte1]

I, and history, can almost guarantee that if the person had been white...the result would have been totally different.

Totally correct. If the person was white, he would have submitted to being arrested and if not then if he was shot and killed, no one would know about it or care. AND the Wendy's would be open today for business.

[jacksonbrown]

it was unlawfully to shoot a man in the back while he’s running away

No, the criminal was running to his car.

The officer, honoring his oath "to serve and protect", prevented the drunk (and probably drugged-up) low-life from killing innocent women and children.

There!

[jimjamuser]

Fight with an officer, you have a good chance of being shot.

No matter what color you are, or what color the officer is.

It's not a color issue.
True that. My solution is for Police to carry 2 pistols, one loaded with lead bullets and on loaded with rubber bullets. Use enough powder/power in the rubber cartridges to knock down a man running away. No need to use lead and terminated the poor drunk. I am talking rubber bullets with more power than the low power gas-powered one used recently in crowd dispersal

[Byte1]

I very seldom agree with CNM, but regarding this post I do.
The post is as low as it gets. Shameful.

The truth is sometimes painful. But, if anyone sees something in that post that is not what many are thinking or if there is something to suggest otherwise, I am always willing to listen/read their opinion. I would be called a hypocrite if I utilized all the PC I read on here by folks that know nothing about the subject. Like everyone else on here, I merely submit my opinion. Opinion based on experience, I might add And my opinion is that posts accusing law enforcement that are doing their best to protect society, of being murderers is "low as it gets." And I find that to be VERY "shameful."
I am more willing to give the Police the benefit of doubt than a criminal, especially one that has a past and one that fights the police when they are doing their duty. I find lynch mobs, whether physically or verbally to be abhorrent.
Here's some facts for anyone that wishes to argue:

The deceased was intoxicated
The deceased was incapable of operating a motor vehicle
The deceased was uncooperative
The deceased was under arrest
The deceased resisted arrest
The deceased assaulted a police officer (a felony in some states)
The deceased escaped arrest
The deceased stole police property, a weapon
The deceased attempted to use said weapon on the police

Where is what I said "shameful?"

[manaboutown]

I watched all the videos and I call it murder!

I watched all the videos and believe it may be justifiable homicide. If we were on the as same jury I would vote acquittal and the cop would go free.

Also, the cop deserves a jury of his peers. I wish him good luck with that!

[jimjamuser]

Firings.....knee jerk politicians (like the mayor of Seattle) rolling over and caving in to the current wave of lawlessness. Making the LEO back away from the area to allow the lawlessness to continue.

As this continues more and more LEO members will become more passive when encountering unlawful incidents.
Which will in turn lead to more criminals and thugs getting away with their crimes.

Those who serve and protect are in danger of being emasculated by those who run cities and states.

What individual, black or any other, in their right mind in this day and age would fight police, resist arrest, run away and shoot at police???
A drunken, frighted poor sheep that was not treated like a Christian. Would Jesus have shot?

[jimjamuser]

Firings.....knee jerk politicians (like the mayor of Seattle) rolling over and caving in to the current wave of lawlessness. Making the LEO back away from the area to allow the lawlessness to continue.

As this continues more and more LEO members will become more passive when encountering unlawful incidents.
Which will in turn lead to more criminals and thugs getting away with their crimes.

Those who serve and protect are in danger of being emasculated by those who run cities and states.

What individual, black or any other, in their right mind in this day and age would fight police, resist arrest, run away and shoot at police???
What the world and the US of A needs now.....in the sense of money/resources stolen from the taxpayer is MORE IRS officers to catch the white-collar criminals. That money recovered could pay for more neighborhood beat police PLUS many social workers.

[ColdNoMore]

I watched all the videos and believe it may be justifiable homicide. If we were on the as same jury I would vote acquittal and the cop would go free.

Also, the cop deserves a jury of his peers. I wish him good luck with that!

Sadly, it won't be all that hard finding "peers," that would kill a black man in the back with 2 shots, while they were no threat...and running away. :ohdear:

[jimjamuser]

They say, "The good ones always die young."


Don't know who "they are.


Don't know what it take to be a "good one".


Don't know what "young" is.


Don't know why I posted this.


:shocked:
Don't know why I laughed at that?

[manaboutown]

The truth is sometimes painful. But, if anyone sees something in that post that is not what many are thinking or if there is something to suggest otherwise, I am always willing to listen/read their opinion. I would be called a hypocrite if I utilized all the PC I read on here by folks that know nothing about the subject. Like everyone else on here, I merely submit my opinion. Opinion based on experience, I might add And my opinion is that posts accusing law enforcement that are doing their best to protect society, of being murderers is "low as it gets." And I find that to be VERY "shameful."
I am more willing to give the Police the benefit of doubt than a criminal, especially one that has a past and one that fights the police when they are doing their duty. I find lynch mobs, whether physically or verbally to be abhorrent.
Here's some facts for anyone that wishes to argue:

The deceased was intoxicated
The deceased was incapable of operating a motor vehicle
The deceased was uncooperative
The deceased was under arrest
The deceased resisted arrest
The deceased assaulted a police officer (a felony in some states)
The deceased escaped arrest
The deceased stole police property, a weapon
The deceased attempted to use said weapon on the police

Where is what I said "shameful?"

It appeared to me he assaulted two cops. Subsequent to him aborting their handcuffing him they had him down on the pavement. He violently threw them off. He may have been juiced up on something which would make him irrational and dangerous. The autopsy should show what he was on. He was a thug and had a violent history, including cruelty to a child, unforgivable.

[jimjamuser]

Unbelievable! :oops:


Anyone still wonder, why there are so many people protesting...for equal justice for ALL? :ohdear:
Good one cold sores.......I got a good laugh!

[banjobob]

The thugs just don’t get it , do what the cops order you to do and good chance you. Will be around for breakfast the next day. Ignorance is not an excuse , I don’t blame the police.

[manaboutown]

What the world and the US of A needs now.....in the sense of money/resources stolen from the taxpayer is MORE IRS officers to catch the white-collar criminals. That money recovered could pay for more neighborhood beat police PLUS many social workers.

Over the years trillions have already been flushed down the drain through well meaning but worse than worthless social programs. While I am all for catching white collar criminals - the IRS could start with Al Sharpton who owes what, $7M? in unpaid taxes - I am more fearful of violent crime much of which is caused at least in part by ineffective historic policies designed to help but in fact aggravating the situation.

[jimjamuser]

it was unlawfully to shoot a man in the back while he’s running away

No, the criminal was running to his car.

The officer, honoring his oath "to serve and protect", prevented the drunk (and probably drugged-up) low-life from killing innocent women and children.

There!
I take it that the "THERE" definitively settle this issue. But, one small detail....a whole line of people-occupied-cars was close to the shooter's line of fire.

[karostay]

CNN he was an outstanding father..Even though he was drunk and passed out in the drive through lane

[retiredguy123]

Here is a link about Mr. Brooks that most of the media is not talking about.

Media Portrays Rayshard Brooks As Loving Father Despite Criminal Charges Of Cruelty To Children, Battery On Family Member, False Imprisonment – TB Daily News (https://tbdailynews.com/media-portrays-rayshard-brooks-as-loving-father-despite-criminal-charges-of-cruelty-to-children-battery-on-family-member-false-imprisonment/)

[Topspinmo]

The guy was drunk. The cops know what distance they have to be away, from getting hit with the taser. They shot him in the back. Why couldn't these cops have just called the guy's wife to pick him up and move his car?The shooting was not justified. Cops need to be trained how to de-escalate and situation, not pull a gun every time someone runs away from them.

He didn’t just run away

[manaboutown]

Here is a link about Mr. Brooks that most of the media is not talking about.

Media Portrays Rayshard Brooks As Loving Father Despite Criminal Charges Of Cruelty To Children, Battery On Family Member, False Imprisonment – TB Daily News (https://tbdailynews.com/media-portrays-rayshard-brooks-as-loving-father-despite-criminal-charges-of-cruelty-to-children-battery-on-family-member-false-imprisonment/)

Thank you! The left wing IT outfits are making it extremely difficult to locate through computer searches background information on both these thugs, Floyd and Brooks. The lamestream media wants to portray them as virtuous responsible law abiding contributing members of society who were mercilessly gunned down by racist police officers whereas in reality they were any but such folk. They were convicted violent felons.

[Stu from NYC]

CNN he was an outstanding father..Even though he was drunk and passed out in the drive through lane

The fact that he was cruel to his kids should be overlooked.

[ColdNoMore]

Good one cold sores.......I got a good laugh!

I guess I missed the funny part, of someone being killed by shooting them twice in the back as they were running away...and then someone says this.

He probably deserved it. Probably saved his family and many citizens of this country a lot of pain. He saved the taxpayer a lot of money for court and jail time.

Could you help us all out, by identifying the part that you "got a good laugh" out of...me finding it pretty unbelievable anyone would say that?


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[talleyjm]

Because his background doesn’t fit the narrative.

[Byte1]

I take it that the "THERE" definitively settle this issue. But, one small detail....a whole line of people-occupied-cars was close to the shooter's line of fire.

Anyone besides the perp get shot?

[Byte1]

A drunken, frighted poor sheep that was not treated like a Christian. Would Jesus have shot?

Jesus was not a COP and they didn't have guns in those days. A drunken anybody could have killed anyone's family while operating a motor vehicle. Guess he would not have been called a "frightened poor sheep" by MADD.

[TooColdNJ]

The truth is sometimes painful. But, if anyone sees something in that post that is not what many are thinking or if there is something to suggest otherwise, I am always willing to listen/read their opinion. I would be called a hypocrite if I utilized all the PC I read on here by folks that know nothing about the subject. Like everyone else on here, I merely submit my opinion. Opinion based on experience, I might add And my opinion is that posts accusing law enforcement that are doing their best to protect society, of being murderers is "low as it gets." And I find that to be VERY "shameful."
I am more willing to give the Police the benefit of doubt than a criminal, especially one that has a past and one that fights the police when they are doing their duty. I find lynch mobs, whether physically or verbally to be abhorrent.
Here's some facts for anyone that wishes to argue:

The deceased was intoxicated
The deceased was incapable of operating a motor vehicle
The deceased was uncooperative
The deceased was under arrest
The deceased resisted arrest
The deceased assaulted a police officer (a felony in some states)
The deceased escaped arrest
The deceased stole police property, a weapon
The deceased attempted to use said weapon on the police

Where is what I said "shameful?"

Shameful? That you feel the officers in these situations should be given the benefit of the doubt when their lives were not in danger. . The deceased should not be deceased.

Read a state trooper’s take on this, as a law enforcement officer, somewhere in this thread. If you think all police, all doctors, all teachers, all nurses, etc. should be given the benefit of the doubt as well, I don’t agree. We should trust these professionals based on their duties to society, but it’s a bit narrow-minded if you don’t believe there are a few bad apples in any bunch, as was just proven, but we should give them all the benefit of the doubt because they’re police officers! It’s situational; a man was kneed in the throat and died as a result. The other one was shot—while the officers’ lives weren’t in any danger. They were chasing the guy- they weren’t being chased. You may have the opinion that the scum of the earth may be always be so, but it’s wrong to believe that they should have been killed.., especially for their past criminal activity, and especially if they served time for those crimes. Every criminal is NOT WORTHLESS; some can be rehabilitated. If there are other options- which there clearly were, they should not have killed him. No one has the time to stop everything and look into their entire criminal background. What if they weren’t criminals?

In the recent killings, although having criminal backgrounds, they weren’t committing a murder, rape, armed robbery.... or assault with a deadly weapon. There were no warrants out for their rests because of those violent crimes, either. They weren’t even carrying guns. They didn’t deserve to die as they did. The officers were in no immediate danger.

[jimjamuser]

I guess I missed the funny part, of someone being killed by shooting them twice in the back as they were running away...and then someone says this.



Could you help us all out, by identifying the part that you "got a good laugh" out of...me finding it pretty unbelievable anyone would say that?


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MR Cold , I was, actually agreeing with you. You used, very cutting sarcasm to prove your point. The sarcasm was so good, that I liked it. Kudos to you!

[Darnoc15]

Guess the police do not have the right to defend themselves anymore

From what I Read the victim was shoot in the back while Runing away, does that show the policeman was in danger?

[Darnoc15]

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.
You are right!

[ditka41]

IMHO: Until children are taught what "STOP" means, and respect for authority this "stuff" will continue. That doesn't require a great deal of intelligence or money. If the time spent complaining about "injustice" and "rights" were used to educate the youngsters, they probably would not grow up believing laws do not apply to them and looking for opportunities to create "situations". Shame on the parents, regardless of how old the perps are. Memorializing criminals can not be helpful with the problem.

[ColdNoMore]

MR Cold , I was, actually agreeing with you. You used, very cutting sarcasm to prove your point. The sarcasm was so good, that I liked it. Kudos to you!

My bad...thank you. :o

While I admire your public bravery, you do realize what you've now done though...don't you?

You have now gained innumerable enemies...from my "fan club." :D

And durn it, what really sucks is that so many of them are really in deep arrears...with their monthly fan club dues. :1rotfl:


:ho:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Taser was a contact taser and he grabbed and ran 45 minutes after first contact.

Don’t think a taser justifies shooting and killing him. All I will say if he had been white would the officer have shot him.

There is not such thing as a contact taser. A taser fires a cartridge that is attached to the gun with cords. But once the cartridge is expelled, the taser can operate as a stun gun which may be to what you are referring.

Police are trained to shoot people that have tasers or stun guns because they can render an armed officer helpless and the officer's gun can then be taken from him.

The only argument that might be made in this case was that there was another officer there who could have prevented that from happening.

I'd like to know if Atlanta police are trained to shoot when fired upon with a taser or if a person has a stun gun.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

From what I Read the victim was shoot in the back while Runing away, does that show the policeman was in danger?

You read wrong. I saw the video. Mr Brooks was running away. At one point he turned and fired the taser at the officer and the officer returned fire. Now it is possible that Mr Brooks turned back away from the officer at the last second catching the bullets in the back.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It is not about George Floyd it is the straw that broke the camels back. This was not the first black person unjustifiably killed by the police this year or even that month.


Nine unarmed black men have been killed by police in the past year. I'd say that the camel's back wasn't very strained.

[TooColdNJ]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;1784776]What the world and the US of A needs now.....in the sense of money/resources stolen from the taxpayer is MORE IRS officers to catch the white-collar criminals. That money recovered could pay for more neighborhood beat police PLUS many social workers.[/QUOTE

:a040: :BigApplause: :mademyday:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Watch it again. The car was already stopped and parked with the man sleeping in it. No law was broken. The man passed the sobriety test and offered to walk to his sister's house down the street. No law was broken. The police then tried to arrest him. For what charge? Sleeping in ones own car after having a few drinks? Interesting how we see the same events differently. Justice for all.

You didn't see the beginning of the video. Police received a 911 call that a man had fallen asleep in his car in the Wendy's drive through lane. When the first officer arrived, he bangs on the window to wake the man. The man then drove the car over to the parking space and fell asleep again. The officer woke him again. That's where you saw the video begin.

He was in line at the drive up window so it has to be assumed that he drove the car there. Then he drove it to the parking space and actually ran it up onto the barrier before it backed down.

When the officer woke him for the second time, he didn't remember being in the drive through line. He was obviously on something and obviously drove the car.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Better read it again. You missed a lot important facts. There was no need for this.

You'd better watch all of the available videos. This was a completely justifiable shooting.

Here are the facts as I know them to be. If I'm missing anything, please let me know.

The police received a 911 call that a man had fallen asleep in his car in the Wendy's drive through line.

An officer arrived at the scene and found he man asleep and woke him.

The man then drove the car to a parking space where he went up onto the curb and back down.

The officer had to wake the man again.

The man had trouble communicating and finding his license and the officer noted the strong smell of alcohol.

The officer called for a breathalyzer qualified officer.

The breathalyzer officer arrived and began asking questions. Mr Brook gave conflicting answers to the same questions. He did not remember being in the drive through line or driving his car to the parking space.

The officer, with the permission of Mr Brooks administered a breathalyzer test and found that Mr Brooks was to incapacitated to drive and asked him to put his hands behind his back. As the officer was attempting to handcuff him, Mr Brooks began a scuffle with the officer and they both fell to the ground. Mr Brooks then grabbed the officer's taser and proceeded to run. the officer pursued. After a short pursuit, Mr Brooks turned and fired the taser at the officer and the officer returned fire hitting Mr Brooks.

Please tell me what I missed and how the officer might have handled this differently.

[MEbner2805]

I don’t feel that was a justified killing. I think shoot the perp in the leg to stop them but not in the body! I feel cops don’t realize the damage a bullet does to a body. Criminals are terrible but cops must handle them properly and stop shooting them for simple disrespect! That’s the reason cops are shooting people and it’s not acceptable.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

A drunken, frighted poor sheep that was not treated like a Christian. Would Jesus have shot?

I don't know how much of the video you watched, but the police were very polite and treated Mr Brooks with the utmost care and respect prior to him assaulting the officer, stealing his taser and firing it at him.

In fact, Mr Brooks was very respectful and cooperative until the officer attempted to handcuff him.

[ColdNoMore]

Shameful? That you feel the officers in these situations should be given the benefit of the doubt when their lives were not in danger.

The deceased should not be deceased.

Read a state trooper’s take on this, as a law enforcement officer, somewhere in this thread. If you think all police, all doctors, all teachers, all nurses, etc. should be given the benefit of the doubt as well, I don’t agree. We should trust these professionals based on their duties to society, but it’s a bit narrow-minded if you don’t believe there are a few bad apples in any bunch, as was just proven, but we should give them all the benefit of the doubt because they’re police officers! It’s situational; a man was kneed in the throat and died as a result. The other one was shot—while the officers’ lives weren’t in any danger. They were chasing the guy- they weren’t being chased. You may have the opinion that the scum of the earth may be always be so, but it’s wrong to believe that they should have been killed.., especially for their past criminal activity, and especially if they served time for those crimes. Every criminal is NOT WORTHLESS; some can be rehabilitated. If there are other options- which there clearly were, they should not have killed him. No one has the time to stop everything and look into their entire criminal background. What if they weren’t criminals?

In the recent killings, although having criminal backgrounds, they weren’t committing a murder, rape, armed robbery.... or assault with a deadly weapon. There were no warrants out for their rests because of those violent crimes, either.

They weren’t even carrying guns. They didn’t deserve to die as they did. The officers were in no immediate danger.

All excellent points, but unfortunately the actual underlying issues of why this keeps happening... are primarily twofold.

1. The police unions are so powerful, that prosecutors are leery to even bring up charges against LEO's...because of the likelihood their prosecution will be unsuccessful.

2. The reason the prosecutors have the deck stacked against them is for a number of reasons, but you can bet every single cop knows that they are almost untouchable from criminal prosecution...or even being permanently terminated.

The laws basically allow them to be... "bubble-wrapped" (yeah, I borrowed that term :D)


Difficulty in prosecuting bad cops (click here) (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-very-difficult-convict-officers-police-shootings-experts-say-n776901)

It is rare, and extremely difficult, to convict a law enforcement officer after a fatal shooting, according to criminal justice experts who spoke to NBC News on Monday.

For legal scholars and criminologists who study law enforcement, those outcomes are not exactly surprising.

Cops are held to a different standard.

The law, generally speaking, is on the side of the cops, who have wide latitude when it comes to using force, according to David A. Harris, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law who teaches in police behavior.

"For better or worse, whether you believe in it or not, [the law] (*Note-the SCOTUS ruling just today, 6/15/20, of refusing to revisit the the "qualified immunity" standard for police...reinforces this). is very favorable to police use of force," Harris said. "That objective standard is very wide in terms of giving police discretion."

And you can bet your last dollar, those facts are in the back of every single cop's mind and especially with the 1% of bad ones...and/or of those (a much higher %) who emotionally have no business being in law enforcement. :ohdear:

I mean cripes, who in the world can watch the Rodney King over-the-top and totally unwarranted beating (given that he was certainly no threat)...and not shake their heads at how those involved got away with it?

If you watch any documentary of King's case, it quickly becomes evident that a change of venue to a much more receptive jury pool...was the foundation of the outcome.

And then we get the miscarriage of justice with OJ, which those same documentaries basically call 'payback' for Rodney King.

NEITHER of those cases...received true justice.

If the unions (which also includes teachers) did more to police their own people, a LOT of the problems we're seeing now...would go away.

And this is NOT a general "anti-union rant," because in a lot of cases unions actually protect the employees...from abusive supervisors/employers.

[MEbner2805]

WoW so nice to get a real experienced viewpoint on this and thank you a bunch for chiming in to educate us all! The cop clearly should have handled it differently and it’s a shame too many of them are seemingly shooting out of feeling disrespected. I wonder about the training program if the cops are operating off emotion all the time like this and destroying their lives and others who don’t deserve to die?
Much respect and god bless all our police forces for what they go through.

[anothersteve]

In this case, in my opinion, it was justified, and anyone that thinks it was racial needs to do some serious soul searching. I watched the video many many many times.
Nothing I say will change anyone's mind who feels differently. So..............................................
That's all I have to say about that.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

I don't know how much of the video you watched, but the police were very polite and treated Mr Brooks with the utmost care and respect prior to him assaulting the officer, stealing his taser and firing it at him.

In fact, Mr Brooks was very respectful and cooperative until the officer attempted to handcuff him.

How about we level the playing field and local police start making folks at the square, sitting in their golf carts, blow into a breathalyzer, start handcuffing them...and hauling them off to jail?

And if they resist, in any fashion and start running away?

Just shoot them in the back...and kill them.

After all, obviously some folks think being over the limit, tussling with a cop and then running...should carry a death sentence.

Let's see how fast and magically minds are changed...if that were to start happening. :ho:

[anothersteve]

tussling with a cop and then running...
[/SIZE]:ho:

"tussling" with a cop
Too funny!
What footage were you watching?

[ColdNoMore]

Rumor has it that more info regarding the officers involved...will soon be forthcoming.


Should be interesting. :popcorn:

[Scorpyo]

Here is a link about Mr. Brooks that most of the media is not talking about.

Media Portrays Rayshard Brooks As Loving Father Despite Criminal Charges Of Cruelty To Children, Battery On Family Member, False Imprisonment – TB Daily News (https://tbdailynews.com/media-portrays-rayshard-brooks-as-loving-father-despite-criminal-charges-of-cruelty-to-children-battery-on-family-member-false-imprisonment/)
How dare you bore us with facts, logic and truth. After all, who do you believe the media or your lying eyes?

[ColdNoMore]

You'd better watch all of the available videos. This was a completely justifiable shooting.

Here are the facts as I know them to be. If I'm missing anything, please let me know.

The police received a 911 call that a man had fallen asleep in his car in the Wendy's drive through line.

An officer arrived at the scene and found he man asleep and woke him.

The man then drove the car to a parking space where he went up onto the curb and back down.

The officer had to wake the man again.

The man had trouble communicating and finding his license and the officer noted the strong smell of alcohol.

The officer called for a breathalyzer qualified officer.

The breathalyzer officer arrived and began asking questions. Mr Brook gave conflicting answers to the same questions. He did not remember being in the drive through line or driving his car to the parking space.

The officer, with the permission of Mr Brooks administered a breathalyzer test and found that Mr Brooks was to incapacitated to drive and asked him to put his hands behind his back. As the officer was attempting to handcuff him, Mr Brooks began a scuffle with the officer and they both fell to the ground. Mr Brooks then grabbed the officer's taser and proceeded to run. the officer pursued. After a short pursuit, Mr Brooks turned and fired the taser at the officer and the officer returned fire hitting Mr Brooks.

Please tell me what I missed and how the officer might have handled this differently.

OK...I can do that.. :D

1. Why did they allow him to drive the car over to park it?

2. Where are the videos showing...

-The man then drove the car to a parking space where he went up onto the curb and back down.

-The officer had to wake the man again.

-The man had trouble communicating and finding his license...


...those things happening, in that order?

And since they had his drivers license AND his car, plus he was running away...where is the justification for killing him? :oops:

I'm not claiming that I've seen everything there is to see, but I haven't personally seen anything...proving that you are correct in your timeline and assertions.

[kathy1516]

Even in the old western movies it was unlawfully to shoot a man in the back while he’s running away. Bottom line.

Every time A black person get unlawfully killed. There are riots. Solution : stop killing people in the streets just because you can.

When I was young Policemen were peace officers today they are a kick ass and take names squad. And there were thugs and gangs back then as well. There was also a lot of organized crime families all across the country. On top of that there were Motorcycle gangs just getting started and they run rampant over civilians trying to establish their culture.

I’m sure there are Exceptions but in these last several black people killings In recent memory none of these people were armed. Furthermore there were always several policeman at the scene when these assaults the place. You would think but several trained policeman Could easily contain any one person.
Something is really wrong in this picture !
So it would have been better to let him tase the police officer and give him the opportunity to take his gun and shoot him? No thanks. He did the right thing. Moral of the story: when a police officer arrests you and tells you to stop....stop!!! Color has nothing to do with it!!!

[Scorpyo]

"tussling" with a cop
Too funny!
What footage were you watching?
You found that funny? I found the part about "running away" way funnier. The visual in my head cracks me up. Maybe I'm wrong and you have a different definition of running. Taking 5 minutes to go 50 feet, with 2 breaks in between, in my opinion, is not running.:1rotfl: I can go at least 100 feet in 5 minutes with only 1 break. Now that's running!

[anothersteve]

The perp shot the taser twice if anyone cares to watch the video. First shot shows intent to incapacitate an officer, before he ran. Second time is when he fires back at the other officer, again intent. My educated and informative guess is, by the color of the tasers, they were using the two shot X2. The shoot was justified. There will be a lot more on this if people would do some in depth research, instead of just being talking heads.
Steve

[Kenswing]

How about we level the playing field and local police start making folks at the square, sitting in their golf carts, blow into a breathalyzer, start handcuffing them...and hauling them off to jail?

And if they resist, in any fashion and start running away?

Just shoot them in the back...and kill them.

After all, obviously some folks think being over the limit, tussling with a cop and then running...should carry a death sentence.

Let's see how fast and magically minds are changed...if that were to start happening. :ho:I'm sure it was an oversight but you forgot to mention they would also need to overpower two police officers by tossing them around like rag dolls. Then wrestle away one's taser and then try firing that taser at said officers.

How many Villagers are capable of that? I'm wondering how many could even run away..

[anothersteve]

I'm sure it was an oversight but you forgot to mention they would also need to overpower two police officers by tossing them around like rag dolls. Then wrestle away one's taser and then try firing that taser at said officers.

How many Villagers are capable of that? I'm wondering how many could even run away..

Ahhhh.....and we all walk with canes.............that's why the cops don't mess!
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

I'm sure it was an oversight but you forgot to mention they would also need to overpower two police officers by tossing them around like rag dolls. Then wrestle away one's taser and then try firing that taser at said officers.

How many Villagers are capable of that? I'm wondering how many could even run away..

You used the plural, yet while running, the taser was only briefly aimed in the general direction of only ONE of the two...then he kept running.

The other cop was standing there watching the murder happen.

I wonder what made the other one decide to not pull his service weapon...and try to kill the runner too?

Better training?

Less emotional?

Smarter about what the actual situation was?

???

[ColdNoMore]

What the world and the US of A needs now.....in the sense of money/resources stolen from the taxpayer is MORE IRS officers to catch the white-collar criminals. That money recovered could pay for more neighborhood beat police PLUS many social workers.

:a040: :BigApplause: :mademyday:

:agree:...TOTALLY!

[anothersteve]

You used the plural, yet while running, the taser was only briefly aimed in the general direction of only ONE of the two...then he kept running.

The other cop was standing there watching the murder happen.

I wonder what made the other one decide to not pull his service weapon...and try to kill the runner too?

Better training?

Less emotional?

Smarter about what the actual situation was?

???

The taser was fired at them twice. Watch the video very carefully please.
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

The taser was fired at them twice. Watch the video very carefully please.
Steve

Watch ALL of these videos very carefully...please. ;)

Click Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html)

Thank you. :ho:

[anothersteve]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/hnRuWcgflaE)

I don't do nyt

3:51.............first taser fired
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

:1rotfl:


It's funny how some people skip right over questions...they don't want to (and can't) answer. :boom:



I wonder what made the other one decide to not pull his service weapon...and try to kill the runner too?

Better training?

Less emotional?

Smarter about what the actual situation was?

???

[anothersteve]

:1rotfl:


It's funny how some people skip right over questions...they don't want to (and can't) answer. :boom:

Judge and jury..............:ohdear::ohdear:

Steve

[ColdNoMore]

Judge and jury..............:ohdear::ohdear:

Steve

You forgot, PLUS executioner...which some cops have become ALL 3. :oops:

[anothersteve]

Goodnight. :pray:

Steve

[ONTAP15]

Any one else wondering why the father of 4 small children was passed out drunk at 1030 PM in the drive thru..emm Come to think of it, perhaps I would have been passed out drunk if, at 27, I had to feed 4 kids and my wife..

[Stu from NYC]

The taser was fired at them twice. Watch the video very carefully please.
Steve

Why confuse people with facts?

[manaboutown]

CNN he was an outstanding father..Even though he was drunk and passed out in the drive through lane

Didn't he also, like Floyd, between stints in the slammer, father a handful of illegitimate children? He was a regular stand up citizen!

[bpascani]

Yes, it was justified. 1st of all the guy failed the sobriety test, resisted arrest, stole officers weapon, attempted to escape his (already 3) crimes, then turned and attempted to harm a police officer with a weapon (that he stole from said officer). Officer was protecting himself!

[graciegirl]

This young father of four would still be alive if he had not broken the law and stopped when directed to do so.

Everyone I know taught their kids to follow directions if they are stopped by police. They taught their kids to respect rules and authority. They taught them that people would not respect them if they broke the laws and resisted arrest.

I understand that the kind of statement I just made above is called "Virtue Signaling" by people using "NewSpeak".

I don't give a damn what "they" call it. Don't break the law. Stop when a police officer says STOP. It will be a way to lead a longer and more productive life.

I wonder how the children's livelihood will be paid for? I hope the mother can find a way to get a good job to support the children. She probably will. I have heard of several people who have raised their children by working hard and careful planning and not having a lot of extras.

It is a sad state of affairs. I don't think it has anything to do with race unless we look at things that way.

[Two Bills]

I leave it to the law and the courts to sort out the why's, wherefore's, justification, and fact from fiction.

Below is the post I commented on, and the only thing I commented on, and found shameful.
I still consider it so.

He probably deserved it. Probably saved his family and many citizens of this country a lot of pain. He saved the taxpayer a lot of money for court and jail time. It was not murder though, unless you know something that no one else knows and the COP knew him and plotted to kill him. I am sure that like others, his family will cash in on this. Probably the only good thing he did for them.

[joseppe]

The officer who shot him had a weapon pointed at him. He could only Presume it was the Taser that was taken from him, but couldn't the perp have also grabbed the other officer's gun during the scuffle? Point a weapon of any type at a police officer and that police officer is going to assume his life is in danger. Try pointing an a BB gun at a police officer. What do you think the response should be? Can you tell a taser from a BB gun from a Glock being pointed at you in a split second from some distance at night? I think I would have fired my weapon also.

[nn0wheremann]

The suspect should not have resisted arrest for being .02 above the limit...but it shouldn't have been a death sentence.

The cop should not have shot someone in the back, while he was running away... when the cop's life was in no danger.

And NO, a taser is not considered a lethal weapon.

Why was the cop picking up his brass for 2 minutes...before he even went to the victim?

Maybe because he knew once the detectives figured out how far away the victim was, while running away...he would be in deep doo-doo?

And NO, this is NOT justification for citizen violence or property damage.

It (along with the posts we'll see here) does, however, show...exactly why black people across the nation are so angry.
Well said. Drunkenness is not a hanging offense. Running from police is not a hanging offense. They had his car, his identification and could go arrest him when he was calmed down.

[nn0wheremann]

The officer who shot him had a weapon pointed at him. He could only Presume it was the Taser that was taken from him, but couldn't the perp have also grabbed the other officer's gun during the scuffle? Point a weapon of any type at a police officer and that police officer is going to assume his life is in danger. Try pointing an a BB gun at a police officer. What do you think the response should be? Can you tell a taser from a BB gun from a Glock being pointed at you in a split second from some distance at night? I think I would have fired my weapon also.
Yes if the taser is iridescent yellow, and the police issued firearms are black, and if I had already determined he was unarmed.

[jarodrig]

WoW so nice to get a real experienced viewpoint on this and thank you a bunch for chiming in to educate us all! The cop clearly should have handled it differently and it’s a shame too many of them are seemingly shooting out of feeling disrespected. I wonder about the training program if the cops are operating off emotion all the time like this and destroying their lives and others who don’t deserve to die?
Much respect and god bless all our police forces for what they go through.

Hard to say who’s post you’re referring to since you didn’t use the reply with quote option....

[Stu from NYC]

Yes if the taser is iridescent yellow, and the police issued firearms are black, and if I had already determined he was unarmed.

The guy was belligerent and fought with the officers and had pointed a weapon at them.

The officers had to make a split second decision and apparently thought he was being threatened.

Perhaps the officer was wrong but to be summarily fired without due process is wrong.

BTW this would be a second DWI and he had been in prison for child endangerment so not exactly a model citizen.

Than we have the crowd destroying the restaurant owned by a black man who did nothing wrong.

[ColdNoMore]

Cop who killed Brooks previously reprimanded for excessive force (click here) (http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/cop-who-shot-killed-rayshard-brooks-was-previously-reprimanded-for-use-force/dOTu99Lym4SjkmXmkt0P8M/)

Atlanta police on Monday released the disciplinary histories for both officers involved in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks, revealing that one of them had previously been reprimanded for use of force involving a firearm.

Garrett Rolfe, the 27-year-old officer who was fired after shooting and killing Brooks on Friday night in a Wendy’s parking lot, received a written reprimand in 2017 due to the complaint.

Given the power of the police unions, it takes a lot...for even a reprimand to stand.

[amexsbow]

As a retired L.E.O. along with others who have served in life or death situations, it is easy for the leftist police haters to judge from the comfort of their living room.

[Byte1]

I don’t feel that was a justified killing. I think shoot the perp in the leg to stop them but not in the body! I feel cops don’t realize the damage a bullet does to a body. Criminals are terrible but cops must handle them properly and stop shooting them for simple disrespect! That’s the reason cops are shooting people and it’s not acceptable.

Law Enforcement does NOT teach "shooting " the bad guy in the leg. An officer is taught to shoot to STOP. They are using lethal force and they realize it. No one said the cops shot him for "simple disrespect" so please explain your source. I would be interested.

That COP deserves an investigation by the Dept to see if it is a justifiable shooting, not judged and prosecuted by the public based on what they thought they saw on one video.

I saw more than one video and from what I saw and from my experience in law enforcement, my OPINION is that it could be a justified shooting. I might not have used lethal force, but I do not know the totality of the circumstances. I probably would have shot him while he was still standing over me with the taser in his hands. I did not have a taser when I worked, but I did have occasion to utilize my flashlight in defense. And we were instructed NOT to strike the suspect in the head intentionally. Although, it did happen once in a while in the heat of the struggle/fight. Any use of force resulted in filling out a use of force report and the action was investigated. I am sure that other Dept's have similar rules. Until you have walked in their shoes, you do not understand how mistakes can happen. These things happen fast and decisions are made by reflex.

[Byte1]

Well said. Drunkenness is not a hanging offense. Running from police is not a hanging offense. They had his car, his identification and could go arrest him when he was calmed down.

I did not know that he was "hanged." I thought he was shot.

[Steve9930]

This will be investigated by the local authorities. What I think should have happened, or what caused this will not make any difference. I know one thing, "Never let a crisis go to waste".

[Byte1]

I leave it to the law and the courts to sort out the why's, wherefore's, justification, and fact from fiction.

Below is the post I commented on, and the only thing I commented on, and found shameful.
I still consider it so.

Thank you for your opinion. My opinions are often HONEST and not tainted by PC. I would like to know what portion of my opinion was considered "shameful." I am always open to sensible and fact based discussion. Since I have had folks agree with my opinion, I am interested in why others find my opinion to be "shameful."

[2daisy]

I condemn ANY cop shooting someone unarmed, who is not presenting a danger to the cop.

PERIOD.

FULL STOP.
quote

[dewilson58]

from what I saw and from my experience in law enforcement,


Thank you for your service.:ho:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

When you shoot someone twice in back it’s murder you can go 123 or manslaughter but it’s murder

[dewilson58]

When you shoot someone twice in back it’s murder


nope

[Stu from NYC]

When you shoot someone twice in back it’s murder you can go 123 or manslaughter but it’s murder

When the officer decided he had to shoot and started to pull the trigger do not think his back was to him.

However do think that would tell us whether it was the officer protecting himself or his partner or murder.

Why this rush to judgment?

[BHWitcher]

Someone who has watched numerous black men killed by police. It was a stun gun!! Shot him in the leg no need to kill him!

[jimjamuser]

Jesus was not a COP and they didn't have guns in those days. A drunken anybody could have killed anyone's family while operating a motor vehicle. Guess he would not have been called a "frightened poor sheep" by MADD.
He had NO, ZERO, NADA chance of making it to his car. It was in the opposite direction. He was so drunk and having a panic attack because he could visualize the possibility of the Police putting a knee on his neck after they cuffed him. He saw MR Floyd get MURDERED. The Atlanta man WAS "a frightened sheep" at that moment. His adrenaline would have run ou,t if they just pursued him on foot. But that was NOT macho and they FAILED to wrestle him well. So the one officer's reptile brain said "must SHOOT the BLACK escaping convict". What would JESUS have done?

[jimjamuser]

Shameful? That you feel the officers in these situations should be given the benefit of the doubt when their lives were not in danger. . The deceased should not be deceased.

Read a state trooper’s take on this, as a law enforcement officer, somewhere in this thread. If you think all police, all doctors, all teachers, all nurses, etc. should be given the benefit of the doubt as well, I don’t agree. We should trust these professionals based on their duties to society, but it’s a bit narrow-minded if you don’t believe there are a few bad apples in any bunch, as was just proven, but we should give them all the benefit of the doubt because they’re police officers! It’s situational; a man was kneed in the throat and died as a result. The other one was shot—while the officers’ lives weren’t in any danger. They were chasing the guy- they weren’t being chased. You may have the opinion that the scum of the earth may be always be so, but it’s wrong to believe that they should have been killed.., especially for their past criminal activity, and especially if they served time for those crimes. Every criminal is NOT WORTHLESS; some can be rehabilitated. If there are other options- which there clearly were, they should not have killed him. No one has the time to stop everything and look into their entire criminal background. What if they weren’t criminals?

In the recent killings, although having criminal backgrounds, they weren’t committing a murder, rape, armed robbery.... or assault with a deadly weapon. There were no warrants out for their rests because of those violent crimes, either. They weren’t even carrying guns. They didn’t deserve to die as they did. The officers were in no immediate danger.
You go Mr. Cold-----good post!

[ColdNoMore]

He had NO, ZERO, NADA chance of making it to his car. It was in the opposite direction. He was so drunk and having a panic attack because he could visualize the possibility of the Police putting a knee on his neck after they cuffed him. He saw MR Floyd get MURDERED. The Atlanta man WAS "a frightened sheep" at that moment. His adrenaline would have run ou,t if they just pursued him on foot. But that was NOT macho and they FAILED to wrestle him well.

So the one officer's reptile brain said "must SHOOT the BLACK escaping convict".

What would JESUS have done?

:thumbup:

[jimjamuser]

My bad...thank you. :o

While I admire your public bravery, you do realize what you've now done though...don't you?

You have now gained innumerable enemies...from my "fan club." :D

And durn it, what really sucks is that so many of them are really in deep arrears...with their monthly fan club dues. :1rotfl:


:ho:
My shoulders are pretty big. And Mr. Cold you made me laugh again. Double KUDOS.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Everyone deserves a fair trial and presumed innocent that doesn’t mean the officer shouldn’t be charged , the coroner has said that the bullets entered the back ( of course everything they in the villages is fake news unless it isn’t ) but back , front or side under any rules of any police department , there was no justification for shooting . In 40 something years in 23 countries I have fired a gun at someone , I know a little bit about the subject .

[Byte1]

You used the plural, yet while running, the taser was only briefly aimed in the general direction of only ONE of the two...then he kept running.

The other cop was standing there watching the murder happen.

I wonder what made the other one decide to not pull his service weapon...and try to kill the runner too?

Better training?


Less emotional?

Smarter about what the actual situation was?

???

It wasn't murder. Homicide or even Manslaughter maybe, but until one proves intent it's not murder.

[Byte1]

Everyone deserves a fair trial and presumed innocent that doesn’t mean the officer shouldn’t be charged , the coroner has said that the bullets entered the back ( of course everything they in the villages is fake news unless it isn’t ) but back , front or side under any rules of any police department , there was no justification for shooting . In 40 something years in 23 countries I have fired a gun at someone , I know a little bit about the subject .

???????????

[jimjamuser]

There is not such thing as a contact taser. A taser fires a cartridge that is attached to the gun with cords. But once the cartridge is expelled, the taser can operate as a stun gun which may be to what you are referring.

Police are trained to shoot people that have tasers or stun guns because they can render an armed officer helpless and the officer's gun can then be taken from him.

The only argument that might be made in this case was that there was another officer there who could have prevented that from happening.

I'd like to know if Atlanta police are trained to shoot when fired upon with a taser or if a person has a stun gun.
OK. My humble solution to-perp has a taser. Good solution....shoot him in leg with lead bullet or bullets. Better solution.....shot him in frontal area with HIGH powered rubber bullets. Have TWO holsters....right or major hand has weapon loaded with lead bullets. Holster at OTHER hand loaded with High Powered rubber bullets (not the whimpy air-powered crowd control rubber bullets). Officer decides quickly which pistol to draw depending on his fear of harm to himself. BEST solution.....911 sends social workers with bullet resistant vests to that kind of situation. P. S. that is what is meant by DIVERTING Police funds.

[Byte1]

He had NO, ZERO, NADA chance of making it to his car. It was in the opposite direction. He was so drunk and having a panic attack because he could visualize the possibility of the Police putting a knee on his neck after they cuffed him. He saw MR Floyd get MURDERED. The Atlanta man WAS "a frightened sheep" at that moment. His adrenaline would have run ou,t if they just pursued him on foot. But that was NOT macho and they FAILED to wrestle him well. So the one officer's reptile brain said "must SHOOT the BLACK escaping convict". What would JESUS have done?

Mind reader? "Frightened sheep?" He took on two trained police officers and got the better of them, knowing they had firearms; frightened? So, this COP is a racist solely because he shot a black man? The suspect was not a "convict" so I doubt the COP had that thought in mind at the time. Biased thinking might demean an officer by labeling him a "reptile" but some of us respect law enforcement and take offense. Shameful?

[jimjamuser]

You'd better watch all of the available videos. This was a completely justifiable shooting.

Here are the facts as I know them to be. If I'm missing anything, please let me know.

The police received a 911 call that a man had fallen asleep in his car in the Wendy's drive through line.

An officer arrived at the scene and found he man asleep and woke him.

The man then drove the car to a parking space where he went up onto the curb and back down.

The officer had to wake the man again.

The man had trouble communicating and finding his license and the officer noted the strong smell of alcohol.

The officer called for a breathalyzer qualified officer.

The breathalyzer officer arrived and began asking questions. Mr Brook gave conflicting answers to the same questions. He did not remember being in the drive through line or driving his car to the parking space.

The officer, with the permission of Mr Brooks administered a breathalyzer test and found that Mr Brooks was to incapacitated to drive and asked him to put his hands behind his back. As the officer was attempting to handcuff him, Mr Brooks began a scuffle with the officer and they both fell to the ground. Mr Brooks then grabbed the officer's taser and proceeded to run. the officer pursued. After a short pursuit, Mr Brooks turned and fired the taser at the officer and the officer returned fire hitting Mr Brooks.

Please tell me what I missed and how the officer might have handled this differently.
Your account was much more detailed than any I have seen on TV. Knowledge is power. Thanks, KUDOS.

[Byte1]

When you shoot someone twice in back it’s murder you can go 123 or manslaughter but it’s murder

Not true. Homicide, but only Murder when intent is proven in court. He was firing over his shoulder, the COP returned fire at the same time. I saw the videos, two or three of them. It was a judgement call and now the authorities that be will determine if it was a justifiable shooting. If no intent is proven then the worst that can be convicted of is Manslaughter. We might as well do away with the court system if the media is the judge and jury.

[ColdNoMore]

Mind reader? "Frightened sheep?" He took on two trained police officers and got the better of them, knowing they had firearms; frightened? So, this COP is a racist solely because he shot a black man? The suspect was not a "convict" so I doubt the COP had that thought in mind at the time. Biased thinking might demean an officer by labeling him a "reptile" but some of us respect law enforcement and take offense. Shameful?

Long sigh. :ohdear:

Reptilian Brain (poke here) (http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_05_cr/d_05_cr_her/d_05_cr_her.html)

The reptilian brain, the oldest of the three, controls the body's vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance.

Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile's brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Mind reader? "Frightened sheep?" He took on two trained police officers and got the better of them, knowing they had firearms; frightened? So, this COP is a racist solely because he shot a black man? The suspect was not a "convict" so I doubt the COP had that thought in mind at the time. Biased thinking might demean an officer by labeling him a "reptile" but some of us respect law enforcement and take offense. Shameful?
But he is a cop who shot a man twice in the back for nothing. They had his car they had his ID , remember police are also required to stop high speed chasers when they endanger the public , the same rules apply in shootingd

[jimjamuser]

All excellent points, but unfortunately the actual underlying issues of why this keeps happening... are primarily twofold.

1. The police unions are so powerful, that prosecutors are leery to even bring up charges against LEO's...because of the likelihood their prosecution will be unsuccessful.

2. The reason the prosecutors have the deck stacked against them is for a number of reasons, but you can bet every single cop knows that they are almost untouchable from criminal prosecution...or even being permanently terminated.

The laws basically allow them to be... "bubble-wrapped" (yeah, I borrowed that term :D)


Difficulty in prosecuting bad cops (click here) (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-very-difficult-convict-officers-police-shootings-experts-say-n776901)



And you can bet your last dollar, those facts are in the back of every single cop's mind and especially with the 1% of bad ones...and/or of those (a much higher %) who emotionally have no business being in law enforcement. :ohdear:

I mean cripes, who in the world can watch the Rodney King over-the-top and totally unwarranted beating (given that he was certainly no threat)...and not shake their heads at how those involved got away with it?

If you watch any documentary of King's case, it quickly becomes evident that a change of venue to a much more receptive jury pool...was the foundation of the outcome.

And then we get the miscarriage of justice with OJ, which those same documentaries basically call 'payback' for Rodney King.

NEITHER of those cases...received true justice.

If the unions (which also includes teachers) did more to police their own people, a LOT of the problems we're seeing now...would go away.

And this is NOT a general "anti-union rant," because in a lot of cases unions actually protect the employees...from abusive supervisors/employers. [/SIZE]
With respect to Cold no More's excellent post....a small amount of levity.
Everybody knows the deck is stacked
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows, the good guys lost

[Topspinmo]

What the world and the US of A needs now.....in the sense of money/resources stolen from the taxpayer is MORE IRS officers to catch the white-collar criminals. That money recovered could pay for more neighborhood beat police PLUS many social workers.

Why do you think only white 1%’er get out of paying taxes or steal for the taxpayers? The tax code was written by politician/lawyers/lobbyists in their favor. What do you think the code has all the loopholes and exemptions?

[jimjamuser]

All excellent points, but unfortunately the actual underlying issues of why this keeps happening... are primarily twofold.

1. The police unions are so powerful, that prosecutors are leery to even bring up charges against LEO's...because of the likelihood their prosecution will be unsuccessful.

2. The reason the prosecutors have the deck stacked against them is for a number of reasons, but you can bet every single cop knows that they are almost untouchable from criminal prosecution...or even being permanently terminated.

The laws basically allow them to be... "bubble-wrapped" (yeah, I borrowed that term :D)


Difficulty in prosecuting bad cops (click here) (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/it-s-very-difficult-convict-officers-police-shootings-experts-say-n776901)



And you can bet your last dollar, those facts are in the back of every single cop's mind and especially with the 1% of bad ones...and/or of those (a much higher %) who emotionally have no business being in law enforcement. :ohdear:

I mean cripes, who in the world can watch the Rodney King over-the-top and totally unwarranted beating (given that he was certainly no threat)...and not shake their heads at how those involved got away with it?

If you watch any documentary of King's case, it quickly becomes evident that a change of venue to a much more receptive jury pool...was the foundation of the outcome.

And then we get the miscarriage of justice with OJ, which those same documentaries basically call 'payback' for Rodney King.

NEITHER of those cases...received true justice.

If the unions (which also includes teachers) did more to police their own people, a LOT of the problems we're seeing now...would go away.

And this is NOT a general "anti-union rant," because in a lot of cases unions actually protect the employees...from abusive supervisors/employers. [/SIZE]
Unions somehow work in Germany. And they have WAY less Police killings.

[Topspinmo]

After the George Floyd case, not resisting can be a death sentence if you are black. I have not seen any reports that Mr. Brooks fired the taser. He was fleeing at the time and was shot in the back. Mr. Brooks death has been ruled a homicide.

What? It’s only be on drive by media 1000 times.

[jimjamuser]

How about we level the playing field and local police start making folks at the square, sitting in their golf carts, blow into a breathalyzer, start handcuffing them...and hauling them off to jail?

And if they resist, in any fashion and start running away?

Just shoot them in the back...and kill them.

After all, obviously some folks think being over the limit, tussling with a cop and then running...should carry a death sentence.

Let's see how fast and magically minds are changed...if that were to start happening. :ho:
If ? or after a bi- brother Dictatorship, would/might take over, you could actually see that or other bizarro stuff happening. I hope NEVER!

[jimjamuser]

You forgot, PLUS executioner...which some cops have become ALL 3. :oops:
Police, like a volunteer army (which they are), tend to attract SOME (more than civilian) CRAZY, bloodthirsty types. For example, that Military man that was recently pardoned.

[jimjamuser]

Mind reader? "Frightened sheep?" He took on two trained police officers and got the better of them, knowing they had firearms; frightened? So, this COP is a racist solely because he shot a black man? The suspect was not a "convict" so I doubt the COP had that thought in mind at the time. Biased thinking might demean an officer by labeling him a "reptile" but some of us respect law enforcement and take offense. Shameful?
Thank you for your service. And I will shamefully hide my head in my hand, from now on-forever.

[jimjamuser]

Why do you think only white 1%’er get out of paying taxes or steal for the taxpayers? The tax code was written by politician/lawyers/lobbyists in their favor. What do you think the code has all the loopholes and exemptions?
True that!