Juneteenth

[Bay Kid]

What is Juneteenth about?

[elevatorman]

Juneteenth - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth)

[karostay]

June·teenth
/ˌjo͞onˈtēnTH/
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noun
a festival held annually on the nineteenth of June by African Americans (especially in the southern states), to commemorate emancipation from slavery in Texas on that day in 1865.

[coffeebean]

Juneteenth - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth)

Never heard of Juneteenth until this latest uprising of BLM.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Never heard of Juneteenth until this latest uprising of BLM.

This is not surprising. I learned a couple of years ago that it's a really -bad- racist thing to touch a black man's face, if you're a white person and the black man didn't give you permission in advance. I had no idea at all, and I had to apologize for the insult. I was happy to see my co-worker return from the army. Hugs = okay. Handshakes = fine and dandy. Reaching to cup a hand on the man's cheek as an expression of affection = taboo.** (edit: by cup a hand on the man's cheek" I mean in the same way you'd do it with your grandson when he comes to visit. "Oh look at you, Junior, you've grown into such a handsome young man!" That kind of thing.)

I did know about Juneteenth, since New Haven has socially progressive renaissance periods every dozen years or so, so these types of festivals are publicized as events in the newspaper. But there are lots of things that I don't know about, or know but don't understand, or know and understand but cannot experience for myself. I embrace the differences, since that's really all I -can- do.

[EdFNJ]

This is not surprising. I learned a couple of years ago that it's a really -bad- racist thing to touch a black man's face, if you're a white person and the black man didn't give you permission in advance. I had no idea at all, and I had to apologize for the insult. I was happy to see my co-worker return from the army. Hugs = okay. Handshakes = fine and dandy. Reaching to cup a hand on the man's cheek as an expression of affection = taboo.** (edit: by cup a hand on the man's cheek" I mean in the same way you'd do it with your grandson when he comes to visit. "Oh look at you, Junior, you've grown into such a handsome young man!" That kind of thing.)


Ewwww! Really? I wouldn't want anyone "cupping my face" as an adult or even a teenager. Maybe for little kids or grandkids it's acceptable. Not sure why that would be a surprise. I find that to be a bit much especially if the "cupper" was a stranger or a business associate or a friend. My grandmother used to do that and even that was weird. LOL, Female->Male cupping (of face that is ;) ) would be a reverse "me-too". Male->female would likely get a slap and maybe even get one fired if it was at work especially these days. :1rotfl:

As for the OP original question, my wife new what it is but I didn't.

[manaboutown]

Since I grew up in New Mexico which at the time had few blacks living there (I had only known two) I had never heard of it. While in the army in South Carolina in 1965 and the only white guy in the barracks during June I heard about it. It seemed it was like the 4th of July to the black guys. I certainly can understand why!

[Bellavita]

I believe this is what all racists should do
perhaps get a few black friends
invite a coworker of color over
you would be surprised that we are all just people
Italians
Irish
German
Jewish
African (which isn't accurate because that technically is a continent) WE all have to evolve or become extinct.


:bigbow::bigbow:Since I grew up in New Mexico which at the time had few blacks living there (I had only known two) I had never heard of it. While in the army in South Carolina in 1965 and the only white guy in the barracks during June I heard about it. It seemed it was like the 4th of July to the black guys. I certainly can understand why!

[soniak4@gmail.com]

Glad you asked the question. Although it can easily be Google’d, asking the question in a public forum raises awareness. The tragedy behind Juneteenth was never taught in history classes. Perhaps now it will be and really, must be. As a person in 3 classes that have been victims of discrimination, the process of reform has to begin within everyone. Look in the mirror and ask yourself if maybe, just maybe you have something to learn.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I believe this is what all racists should do
perhaps get a few black friends
invite a coworker of color over
you would be surprised that we are all just people
Italians
Irish
German
Jewish
African (which isn't accurate because that technically is a continent) WE all have to evolve or become extinct.


:bigbow::bigbow:

Technically I think that Europeans, Africans, and Asians are the three basic groups.

[Bay Kid]

Another holiday. Thanks

[Stu from NYC]

Cupping someones face, yuch

[Kahiland]

When slaves were freed.

[bmit16]

How is this Juneteenth possible? These latest protest have taught us that the Civil war history did not occur and everything we celebrate from the Civil War is racist and insensitive. So since this day of celebration is a result of the Civil War, it must cease immediately before it causes irreparable harm to people and results in violent rioting, looting, and vandalism.

[manaboutown]

I believe this is what all racists should do
perhaps get a few black friends
invite a coworker of color over
you would be surprised that we are all just people
Italians
Irish
German
Jewish
African (which isn't accurate because that technically is a continent) WE all have to evolve or become extinct.


:bigbow::bigbow:

As you seem to have the answer for white people what should black racists do? What about Asians? you did not mention them. American Indians?

[graciegirl]

This is not surprising. I learned a couple of years ago that it's a really -bad- racist thing to touch a black man's face, if you're a white person and the black man didn't give you permission in advance. I had no idea at all, and I had to apologize for the insult. I was happy to see my co-worker return from the army. Hugs = okay. Handshakes = fine and dandy. Reaching to cup a hand on the man's cheek as an expression of affection = taboo.** (edit: by cup a hand on the man's cheek" I mean in the same way you'd do it with your grandson when he comes to visit. "Oh look at you, Junior, you've grown into such a handsome young man!" That kind of thing.)

I did know about Juneteenth, since New Haven has socially progressive renaissance periods every dozen years or so, so these types of festivals are publicized as events in the newspaper. But there are lots of things that I don't know about, or know but don't understand, or know and understand but cannot experience for myself. I embrace the differences, since that's really all I -can- do.

It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.

[butch69]

Ever heard of Google?

[bmit16]

Ever heard of Google?

If I had never heard of this, what would I google?

Google is there a holiday that does not apply to me that recognizes people effected by the civil war that did not exist because it is offensive?

[Pmelo]

Just wondering why ask this question here versus researching it? No offense but it seems odd.

Paula

[Syd2008]

Look up Greenwood. Tulsa Oklahoma. Or watch 60 minutes from this past Sunday the 14th.

[ColdNoMore]

Just wondering why ask this question here versus researching it? No offense but it seems odd.

Paula

Sadly, I don't find it "odd"...in the least. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Look up Greenwood. Tulsa Oklahoma. Or watch 60 minutes from this past Sunday the 14th.

Excellent suggestions...very eye-opening. :thumbup:

[Curtisbwp]

There are so many things that i have never heard of. I can barley keep up...try google



Never heard of Juneteenth until this latest uprising of BLM.

[fdpaq0580]

It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.

There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

[ColdNoMore]

It appears that is all any of us can do. It is tricky to do the "right thing" and say the "right thing". No one in this world wants to think that they have failed at simple kindness but it is happening to me almost every night when I watch the news. I don't like feeling like that. I can't remember ever having any negative interaction with someone of another race in my 80 years. The most negative interactions I have had with others have been on this forum. My husband says that is because no rules exist when people are anonymous and do not have to stand for their thoughts. I have not really known well many people of other races, and it isn't on purpose. I have learned that you can do your best and some people find you quite nice and others not so much. sigh.

Most people stay anonymous, because after some folks find others real life identities...it's been used against them or they're betrayed in some way.

As for me personally, and only speaking for myself, I couldn't care less and don't become obsessed...with knowing people's real life identities. :shrug:


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[Taltarzac725]

Rosewood Massacre - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre)

Rosewood, Florida - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood,_Florida)

Rosewood massacre - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre)

There was one of these massacres of African-Americans not too far from what would become the Villages. This was in 1923 in Rosewood.

[kenoc7]

How is this Juneteenth possible? These latest protest have taught us that the Civil war history did not occur and everything we celebrate from the Civil War is racist and insensitive. So since this day of celebration is a result of the Civil War, it must cease immediately before it causes irreparable harm to people and results in violent rioting, looting, and vandalism.
Why would you celebrate anything from the Civil War except the Union victory against the leaders and troops who were traitors to the USA? It is long past time for all reprentations of confederate leaders to be anywhere but in museums.

[ColdNoMore]

Why would you celebrate anything from the Civil War except the Union victory against the leaders and troops who were traitors to the USA? It is long past time for all reprentations of confederate leaders to be anywhere but in museums.

:agree:


One has to really wonder, about the intent (and mental acuity) of those who want to celebrate...losers and traitors. :oops:

[kenoc7]

How is this Juneteenth possible? These latest protest have taught us that the Civil war history did not occur and everything we celebrate from the Civil War is racist and insensitive. So since this day of celebration is a result of the Civil War, it must cease immediately before it causes irreparable harm to people and results in violent rioting, looting, and vandalism.
The Confederate flag is a painful reminder of hate, bigotry, treason, and devaluation of humanity

[manaboutown]

There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

18th century British sailors sang a little ditty about New Zealand: First they cheat you; then they eat you.

I have a couple of photos of myself standing with a couple of Maori men in warrior dress. I am not small at 6'2", 220. These guys were a bit shorter but twice as wide, very heavily boned, large broad shoulders; even their feet were huge. My guess is over the time they were on those islands only the strongest survived. They were cannibals.

[ALadysMom]

Glad you asked the question. Although it can easily be Google’d, asking the question in a public forum raises awareness. The tragedy behind Juneteenth was never taught in history classes. Perhaps now it will be and really, must be. As a person in 3 classes that have been victims of discrimination, the process of reform has to begin within everyone. Look in the mirror and ask yourself if maybe, just maybe you have something to learn.

Great post. There’s a big difference between ignorance and racism though. Lots of people who are assumed to be racist a really just ignorant. We don’t know what we don’t know...Everything we don’t know AND are too afraid to ask.

Why isn’t JuneTeenth an American holiday? I’d love to celebrate the end to slavery but I must admit this is the first time I ever even hear that word. Odd, because I’ve always loved visiting museums and reading, especially about Lincoln. I don’t know how I missed it!?!

[ALadysMom]

Cupping someones face, yuch

Yeah. Little kids wouldn’t like that either. Who would?

[ALadysMom]

There are any number of things that are acceptable in some cultures but are considered very bad or offensive in others. Simply shaking hands is unacceptable in some cultures, while it is (generally) o.k. and common here. In New Zealand, for example, a formal Maori greeting would be terrifying to most of us.
Someone has a tag line that says something about "good people doing nothing" being bad. But, there are times when doing nothing is very much the best thing to do. Even those who have done a lot of traveling don't know all the ways to behave in different cultural situations. When confronted with something culturally unfamiliar, try to learn and understand. That is the best you can do.

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

[ALadysMom]

Most people stay anonymous, because after some folks find others real life identities...it's been used against them or they're betrayed in some way.

As for me personally, and only speaking for myself, I couldn't care less and don't become obsessed...with knowing people's real life identities. :shrug:


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(Sorry meant to reply to Gracie)

The Rosewood Wikipedia article might provide some insights about why some people prefer to maintain anonymity.
Targeting others—sometimes for only a perceived difference—has been a scary, widespread & longstanding practice which has not been exclusively racially motivated.

One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance. Sad but true.

[ALadysMom]

Rosewood Massacre - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre)

Rosewood, Florida - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood,_Florida)

Rosewood massacre - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre)

There was one of these massacres of African-Americans not too far from what would become the Villages. This was in 1923 in Rosewood.

Thanks for posting about Rosewood. I’m glad it has been recorded albeit delayed. The Code of Silence is a real phenomenon which effectively protected folks back then but also has sadly denied posterity from learning & knowledge. Their need for restoring safety and security made silence an absolute necessity if they wanted to have any future. Their lives depended on never talking about any of it again.

We need to know a lot more about our complete American and human history if we are going to ever more fully understand each other.

One fact that stood out to me was the date of the Massacre—1923. That was fully 58 years AFTER the end of slavery/Civil war.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

True. Crying wolf is a one way to put it. Admitting you didn't know usually happens after the supposed offense. By then the offended have, without any thought of the offenders real intent, have already leaped to the conclusion that it was intentional and the unnecessary battle is on.
Sadly, too many people, and I'm often as guilty as the next person, spend their time and energy preparing their next rebuttal and never take the time to listen or even try to understand the other point of view. They make the assumption the other side is automatically completely invalid. Emotions over heat (helped by the rabble rousers on the sidelines enjoying the spectacle), any real chance for real, lasting advancement is thrown under the bus and we end up back at square one with only hurt feelings on both sides to show for the energy spent arguing.
Somebody, please cue up the song " Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends ..."

[ColdNoMore]

(Sorry meant to reply to Gracie)

The Rosewood Wikipedia article might provide some insights about why some people prefer to maintain anonymity.
Targeting others—sometimes for only a perceived difference—has been a scary, widespread & longstanding practice which has not been exclusively racially motivated.

One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance. Sad but true.

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything. :ohdear:

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this. :oops:

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax. :(

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness. :mad:

[Bucco]

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything. :ohdear:

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this. :oops:

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax. :(

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness. :mad:

But still advises...

[ALadysMom]

As you seem to have the answer for white people what should black racists do? What about Asians? you did not mention them. American Indians?

Ummm...National Geographic has a very thoughtful piece about the label “American Indians.”

https://www.api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/culture/2018/10/indigenous-peoples-day-cultural-appropriation

The Native nations had/have little in common yet we use one term as if all were/are exactly the same.

My first understanding of contagious disease came from reading about the rampant spread of European illnesses through Native populations. Natives had no previous exposure to those illnesses so they had no existing immunity. Sound familiar?

[ALadysMom]

YEP, there are a lot of extremist nutcases out there...who will believe anything. :ohdear:

Just like the armed guy who showed up at a pizza joint (Google 'Pizzagate'), because he read on some nutcase extremist/conspiracy website that someone...was running a child slavery/sex ring out of the basement.

Never mind there was no basement, think about how ignorant someone would have to be...to even believe this. :oops:

Or that no children were tragically massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary...and it was just a hoax. :(

At least the scumbag purveyor of that last outrageous story (Alex Jones)...ended up paying $100,000 for his recklessness. :mad:

This is very hateful especially to be a response to a cautionary post about mean people on the Internet but thanks for proving my point.

[ColdNoMore]

This is very hateful especially to be a response to a cautionary post about mean people on the Internet but thanks for proving my point.

It's not hateful...they're actual facts. :oops:

AND an example of your own point (of which I agree)...about staying anonymous on the internet.

You also mentioned in a post above, about giving a pass because someone might be just ignorant of the facts, so here's a perfect chance for folks to put your observation into practice...and research/verify the veracity of everything I've said.

I'll even give a public retraction, on anything that I've said...that isn't true. :ho:




(two separate posts)


...One can never know who might read Internet message board posts & what they might do if they had the chance.



...We don’t know what we don’t know...Everything we don’t know AND are too afraid to ask.

[ALadysMom]

True. Crying wolf is a one way to put it. Admitting you didn't know usually happens after the supposed offense. By then the offended have, without any thought of the offenders real intent, have already leaped to the conclusion that it was intentional and the unnecessary battle is on.
Sadly, too many people, and I'm often as guilty as the next person, spend their time and energy preparing their next rebuttal and never take the time to listen or even try to understand the other point of view. They make the assumption the other side is automatically completely invalid. Emotions over heat (helped by the rabble rousers on the sidelines enjoying the spectacle), any real chance for real, lasting advancement is thrown under the bus and we end up back at square one with only hurt feelings on both sides to show for the energy spent arguing.
Somebody, please cue up the song " Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends ..."

Enjoyable comment, thanks. So true. If talking about certain topics is completely taboo then how can we ever understand each other?

I recently shared a very enjoyable conversation with a young black man about race relations, particularly about the melting pot that America genuinely is. He surprised me by telling me about his Native American ancestry. It’s kinda funny but I still hesitated here to describe him as black but he said he identifies himself as black because all of the people in his family, church and community identify themselves as black and he knows little about Native culture. We both felt very good to be able to talk without stressing out about it and we hugged as we said goodbye. I would like to have more talks like that. We began by discussing the PBS genealogy series, “Finding Your Roots.” Each show is about the family history Of one guest, usually a very famous person. Guest backgrounds are varied—white, Jewish or black, etc. Most of the guests were surprised, or even shocked, to find out his/her family tree was a lot more diverse than he/she had known. It is a great show. Many details of our history have been lost so it’s fun to rediscover some of them.

[TomPerrett]

Just reading these comments shows me the death of racism here. By belief is that a great deal of it from lack of experiance with other cultures. Most racist don’t belive they are racist.

When you watch the protest on tv you see that many of the Protesters are White people often more than black ones.
What’s that’s telling me Is that our younger generation see things much differently than we do.

I believe younger generations realize there are problems in their culture but find it necessary to respect them as people the same as the rest of us and then deal with the cultural problems. They also know that the solution is not government subsided. We’ll already don’t that failed.

[manaboutown]

Ummm...National Geographic has a very thoughtful piece about the label “American Indians.”

https://www.api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/culture/2018/10/indigenous-peoples-day-cultural-appropriation

The Native nations had/have little in common yet we use one term as if all were/are exactly the same.

My first understanding of contagious disease came from reading about the rampant spread of European illnesses through Native populations. Natives had no previous exposure to those illnesses so they had no existing immunity. Sound familiar?

Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School (https://www.sfis.k12.nm.us)

[Bay Kid]

VA king just made another new man made paid govern holiday.

[ALadysMom]

Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School (https://www.sfis.k12.nm.us)

My grandma was 1/2 Native American. When anyone would ask her about being an Indian she would answer, “Indian? Heavens No. I’ve never even left here.”
Grandma always made us laugh.

[Northwoods]

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

ALadysMom - I find you a breath of fresh air. You make your point and you are respectful in your replies. You're not condescending, and you can even make your point without at least 10 emojis!

[Velvet]

As far as cupping a person’s face goes I was taught that good manners requires one to do what makes the other person comfortable in general. This applies even to children not only to people of different races. If an adult would not like their face to be cupped or pinched, why do they do it to a child?
Good manners is not because of who the other person is, it is because who you are.

[Tennisbum]

Look up Kwanza, same thing!

[Velvet]

Some of us don’t hide behind anything, I look forward to attending a TOTV party ... after Covid... and I hold the same ideas in real life too.

[graciegirl]

Look up Kwanza, same thing!

Isn't Kwanza at Christmastime??

[manaboutown]

Look up Kwanza, same thing!

Kwanzaa was fabricated in 1966 after the Watts riots and has nothing to do with emancipation. It was ginned up as a pseudo African holiday. I had heard Jesse Jackson came up with the idea but supposedly it was this other guy.

Kwanzaa - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/kwanzaa-history)

Juneteenth celebrates emancipation, freedom from slavery and IMHO qualifies as a legitimate holiday, like the 4th of July.

[ALadysMom]

Well, I grew up in NM and am there often. American Indians who live in NM, Navajos, Apaches and Pueblos, continue to refer to themselves as Indians.

My former spouse is 28% American Indian and refers to that part of herself as Indian.

Many years ago my mother taught at the Santa Fe Indian School. Santa Fe Indian School (https://www.sfis.k12.nm.us)

ALadysMom - I find you a breath of fresh air. You make your point and you are respectful in your replies. You're not condescending, and you can even make your point without at least 10 emojis!

Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

[Stu from NYC]

Before too long it will become a national holiday. Our previous bank in Va is going to close early so people can their employees can observe it.

No idea of their other branches but the branch that I dealt with was all Caucasians.

[John41]

The Confederate flag is a painful reminder of hate, bigotry, treason, and devaluation of humanity

actually the real hate show was when the North was required to integrate just like the South

[stadry]

if you use an i-phone, you'll see juneteenth on your calendar

[Two Bills]

Yes...but...wouldn’t it be better if one could admit what they didn’t know without being labeled as a racist?

By the way, did you know not to make the hand gesture for o.k. 👌 because some think that is offensive too.

IMO it’s too easy to always claim offense about things now. It’s a lot like crying wolf.

Now I know why that diver tried to cut my air line!:icon_wink:

[eyc234]

Juneteenth is not about The Emancipation Proclamation.

The Emancipation Proclamation, or Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1862, and effective as of January 1, 1863.

Juneteenth is an unofficial American holiday and an official Texas state holiday, celebrated annually on the 19th of June in the United States to commemorate Union army general Gordon Granger apprising federal orders in the city of Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming all slaves in Texas were now free.


Please get facts correct.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As far as cupping a person’s face goes I was taught that good manners requires one to do what makes the other person comfortable in general. This applies even to children not only to people of different races. If an adult would not like their face to be cupped or pinched, why do they do it to a child?
Good manners is not because of who the other person is, it is because who you are.

My neighbor gives my cheek a fond pat all the time, I find it endearing. Throughout my entire life I've had people touch my face, pinch my cheeks, given my cheek a fond pat, squeezed my shoulder, pat my back, hug me - I've never found it to be discomforting and thought it was normal and acceptable. I've had no reason to think otherwise.

I come from a family that enjoys physical signs of affection. It's what I was exposed to. My neighborhood friends always hugged when I was a kid. Teachers hugged their students or put a thumb under their student's chin as a way of saying "be proud," or "stand proud," or "I'm proud of you." Or sometimes as a way of saying "look at me when I'm talking to you" - depending on the expression of the teacher's face, heh.

So again - I had no reason to think it was a "racist thing." Turns out, it is.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Juneteenth is not about The Emancipation Proclamation.

The Emancipation Proclamation, or Proclamation 95, was a presidential proclamation and executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1862, and effective as of January 1, 1863.

Juneteenth is an unofficial American holiday and an official Texas state holiday, celebrated annually on the 19th of June in the United States to commemorate Union army general Gordon Granger apprising federal orders in the city of Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming all slaves in Texas were now free.


Please get facts correct.

It happened 2 years later, because it took 2 years for Texas to be officially informed of the federal orders two years prior.

The Juneteenth commemorates the date that finally, every state in the Country was informed of the federal order.

Mississippi didn't even officially ratify the 13th Amendment until February 7, 2013.

But on June 19, 1865, the last state to be informed that the amendment was passed and officially adopted into the Constitution, Texas, was informed.

[Dana1963]

Another failure of the American Education system Wall St riots Oklahoma massacre 1921 June 19and Axe Handle Saturday August 27, 1960 (coincidentally Aug 27, 2020 RNC Convention Jacksonville Fl) where again Blacks were indiscriminately attacked by KKK. Might say it’s part of the unwritten history of the United States. Surprisingly it took 2 years after the Emancipation proclamation the slaves were not freed in the South considering we had the telegraph and print news. Suppression to keep people enslaved for profit!What is Juneteenth about?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Kwanzaa was fabricated in 1966 after the Watts riots and has nothing to do with emancipation. It was ginned up as a pseudo African holiday. I had heard Jesse Jackson came up with the idea but supposedly it was this other guy.

Kwanzaa - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/kwanzaa-history)

Juneteenth celebrates emancipation, freedom from slavery and IMHO qualifies as a legitimate holiday, like the 4th of July. I hope you meant created or should black history be less then white history Otis Redding said it best change is going to come , it took awhile but there is a change and it’s now get on the bus or live in the past

[manaboutown]

I hope you meant created or should black history be less then white history Otis Redding said it best change is going to come , it took awhile but there is a change and it’s now get on the bus or live in the past

Too much of what is treated as actual black history has been found to be a hoax when presented as factual. Here is an example. THE CELEBRATED ‘ROOTS’ OF A LIE (https://nypost.com/2002/01/16/the-celebrated-roots-of-a-lie/)

The problem of plagiarizism arises as well. ‘Roots’ Plagiarism Suit Is Settled - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/1978/12/15/archives/roots-plagiarism-suit-is-settled-roots-plagiarism-suit-is-settled.html)

Boston U. Panel Finds Plagiarism by Dr. King - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/11/us/boston-u-panel-finds-plagiarism-by-dr-king.html)

[billethkid]

Back to the subject of the thread.
I never heard of juneteenth before this year.
That is not such an alarming state....most haven't either.

BUT......how did it go from not being heard of by so many and all the way to becoming a national holiday in a matter of days?

The suggestive, brain washing effect of the media with any subject that supports/promotes their agenda and political accomplishment.

The silent majority being dragged along again!!!

[Michael Charles]

I had never heard about it either.

I looked on our free citizen's bank calender its not on it either.

It is however on my Google calender 2020. It was on my Google calender last year 2019 but it wasn't there in 2018 or earlier.

Maybe my head is/was burried in the sand.

[ColdNoMore]

Back to the subject of the thread.
I never heard of juneteenth before this year.
That is not such an alarming state....most haven't either.

BUT......how did it go from not being heard of by so many and all the way to becoming a national holiday in a matter of days?

The suggestive, brain washing effect of the media with any subject that supports/promotes their agenda and political accomplishment.

The silent majority being dragged along again!!!

An article from LAST YEAR. :ohdear:

Click Here (http://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/us/juneteenth-state-holidays-trnd/index.html)

All but four US states celebrate Juneteenth as a holiday

Pennsylvania will join 45 other states and the District of Columbia in either marking the day as a state holiday or observance. That leaves just four states that don't recognize the holiday: Hawaii, North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana.

[ColdNoMore]

I had never heard about it either.

I looked on our free citizen's bank calender its not on it either.

It is however on my Google calender 2020. It was on my Google calender last year 2019 but it wasn't there in 2018 or earlier.

Maybe my head is/was burried in the sand.

You should be commended...for even saying that. :thumbup:

All too many others...never would. :ohdear:

[Schaumburger]

actually the real hate show was when the North was required to integrate just like the South

Hard to believe that in 2020 someone would hold this belief.

[ColdNoMore]

Hard to believe that in 2020 someone would hold this belief.

Sad and disgusting for sure, but "hard to believe"...not really. :ohdear: