Masks Help Stop the Spread of Coronavirus

[coffeebean]

Great article.......

Masks help stop the spread of coronavirus – the science is simple and I'm one of 100 experts urging governors to require public mask-wearing (https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507)

[Dayeight99]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

[golfing eagles]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

NOT TRUE. PLEASE DON"T SPREAD YOU MISINFORMATION!!!

The virus, in and of itself is easily small enough to go through a regular mask. But people DO NOT expel single viral RNA strands. They expel a bunch of viral particles in even larger aerosolized droplets, which a mask can stop most of the time if worn properly. However, a mask is very ineffective at stopping a person from GETTING the virus

[Dayeight99]

Only if they wear them while sneezing or coughing. Otherwise, useless.

[Medtrans]

When are people going to get that the more people that wear masks the better off we’ll be in stopping the spread. The people who wear them are helping prevent spread to those not wearing them so how is that fair? What’s the problem with wearing them? Another Sumter County Villager tested positive today. Wouldn’t you want to do anything possible to help the community as a whole. Read what golfingeagles said. He knows what he’s talking about.

[Dayeight99]

Let’s help the community as a whole by having no one leave their house. Everything is home delivered until not one new case of the virus. Ok? Then, in November, guess what? A new strain of the flu. So let’s just wear masks and social distance forever because each year a new flu strain appears. Get it? It goes way beyond “keeping us safe.”

[George Page]

They do. They don’t. YIKES.

[Rosebud1949]

Sad that many will not "try to help" by wearing a mask.... it should be mandatory in markets and when out near others. Many dont not understand social distancing. Then those who dont wear one will get it. Perhaps when they are sick they will see it. Sensible folk DO NOT NEED to stay home. Be warned this virus can kill you, I dont want it to kill me. Np maks no distancing,thats why the spike has come, just look at the photos of bars, and rallies during the re- opening up of states. Now they want to hold political rallies, you must be joking...... this will only spread the virus even more thousands at a time !! If all other "large gatherings" are banned why not these.

[Slapnut]

Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people

[algi45]

The evidence is strong. NNTaleb, the author of The Black Swan, has show mathematically that we can eliminate the spread and thus new cases in a couple of months if everyone wore a mask. Of course, everyone won't because "everyone" knows better than the scientists.

[coffeebean]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

Just wondering.....did you read the article I linked?

[algi45]

In sixth grade science classes, one should learn that air is mostly nitrogen and that's the stuff we're breathing.

[coffeebean]

Only if they wear them while sneezing or coughing. Otherwise, useless.

NOT TRUE. Did you read the article? Droplets from talking are blocked by cloth masks.

[matandch]

Americans are notoriously independent, defiant, rebellious and stubborn. It’s too late. No one will listen. We’ll certainly get what we deserve because of it. In other words, WE’RE DOOMED!

[George Page]

Only you can prevent........VIRUS SPREAD

[Madelaine Amee]

Americans are notoriously independent, defiant, rebellious and stubborn. It’s too late. No one will listen. We’ll certainly get what we deserve because of it. In other words, WE’RE DOOMED!

I agree with your main point that we will not do what we are asked to do, but we are not doomed. The uninformed will not doom us there are sufficient people who still have some intelligent brain cells left who WILL do the right thing to help the rest o us.

I see this in a slightly different light ..... many, if not MOST, of the non-maskers are older men, so if they get the virus and end up dying earlier than they should we will have no problem with social security running out early!!!!!::icon_wink:

[jbrown132]

I guess the protesters don’t count.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people

Most nurses and doctors wear those masks for 8-16 hours every single day, and don't get sick from their own nitrogen or bacteria.

Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to have Coronavirus in the world, the world would've been born with it. Also don't force what YOU feel is right on other people. Your germs - stay away from MY breathing space.

Wear a mask if you're going to be in a crowded space. Or, don't be in crowded spaces.

[mrf6969]

What is Dr. Fauci saying today? Wear a mask- No need to wear a mask- wear a mask- Not necessary to wear a mask?????????????????????????????? WHAT?????:ohdear:

[PompeyKing]

Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people

Born with mask? What about eye glasses, hearing aids, or hair pieces? Please!!

[Mardarlowe]

Nothing like a good ole mask in 90 degree heat. Please. Common sense over fear.

[scottvs1961]

Only if they wear them while sneezing or coughing. Otherwise, useless.

Let’s put this in some perspective in a more simple way to understand it. Sorry if this is crude but want to get the point across.

If you and I are both standing naked and I turn toward you and urinate you are going to get wet. If you put on clothes and I urinate you will still get wet but not near as much as when you were naked. If I put on clothes most will be stopped by my clothes but some might still get out and if you’re naked and too close you could still get wet. If we both have clothes on you will not get wet.

Once again, just trying to give a little perspective. It is totally incorrect to say masks do not provide protection. The more of us who wear them the better protection for everyone.

[Gmaf6]

Wearing masks everyday in China didn’t help the spread....they’ve been wearing them for years. Every time I wear one for more than just a few minutes I get a sore throat or feel lightheaded. We’re all going to do what makes us comfortable. It’s not your place to judge me or me you. If I’m sick, I stay home...I’d hope you’d do the same. Millions have tested positive and either haven’t gotten sick or have recovered.

[scottvs1961]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.


If you don’t think masks help I have a challenge for you. Hold a lit candle in front of your face with no mask on and blow directly at the candle. Does the flame blow out?

Now put on a mask and do the same thing. Let us know just how easy it is to blow out that flame with the mask on. How close do you have to be to the flame before it blows out if you can even blow it out?

[icedice]

this is like a Seinfeld episode, He will not wear the mask.

[erojohn]

Masks help the looters remain anonymous. Simple. I CANT BREATHE 🤔 take off the mask. Problem solved.
Oh I’m putting up a chain link fence to keep the mosquitoes out.

[Utrix53]

I did read your article Coffeebean and thank you. Why these people don't want to do their share in slowing the spread of this deadly virus is beyond me. And the commend about breathing your own nitrogen (oxide) really gave me a laugh. Grow up people, listen to the scientists and help save a few lives. One could be yours.

[cheweycat]

I wear a mask to protect you. If I sneeze, cough or in any way propel the virus, the spittle is stopped by the mask. In the same way, you protect me when you wear a mask. None of the preventive aids are full proof, but your just giving up on wearing masks, washing hands and social distancing just doesn’t make sense.

[Lhake1]

Great article

[Waltdisney4life]

Masks do not stop vapors pure and simple, they are political statements and nothing more..

[wiltma]

You do not breathe in or out nitrogen. Try oxygen and carbon dioxide. Get your facts straight

[cheweycat]

I would suggest you have yourself checked out medically if your having the symptoms you describe When you put on a mask.

[cheweycat]

Nice diversion tactics about masks. Stick to the topic please.

[Madelaine Amee]

Nothing like a good ole mask in 90 degree heat. Please. Common sense over fear.

Ignorance over commonsense.

[wiltma]

Thanks so much for a great article. The quotes above are from questionable sources. I just wish that my wearing a mask helped me and I wouldn’t have to care what others do. Keep plugging along

[billethkid]

Without a mandatory requirement with enforcement.....we have what we are currently experiencing.
It does not matter what is written or said. There will always be those who do not comply.

No different than speed limits and stop signs.....those are for the "other" guy.

[ffresh]

Americans are notoriously independent, defiant, rebellious and stubborn. It’s too late. No one will listen. We’ll certainly get what we deserve because of it. In other words, WE’RE DOOMED!

You forgot "the sky is falling" part … just trying to be helpful :icon_wink:

Fred

[airstreamingypsy]

I just went to Quest to get blood work, there's a sign on the door that you must wear a mask. I signed in and while waiting a real cocky guy strutted over, and asked about signing in. Someone said and then I said, "But you need a mask" He said, "I don't have one, what are you going to do about it?" I thought to myself, think you're a jerk..... I went in and when the girl was drawing my blood I told her about the encounter...... she said, : "We won't see him without a mask." I left and he was still waiting, I sure hope they wouldn't see him.

[Denny9]

Every time I need a blood test or have a doctor's appointment I am required to wear a mask. (Well except for the "Virtual appointment" for my GP.) If I should show up without one it will be provided to me before I can enter the building. You can quote whatever article you desire but the fact remains that if you want any medical procedure done you will need to wear a mask.

[Byte1]

According to the deniers on here, a mask is not instrumental in limiting the spread of the virus. Therefore, the deniers are also saying that you should not cough into your shirt sleeve/elbow or wash your hands frequently.
Come on, a mask will limit the germs, even if it does not prevent the spread. A mask is better than NO MASK and you all know it. Of course it won't stop ALL the virus "microbes." But, it does help. So does wearing eye protection and gloves. If you do not agree, that is up to you. Deny, deny, deny and go about your business playing Russian Roulette. Personally, I am not concerned for myself but I wear protective gear to "help" prevent my spouse from getting the deadly virus. Perhaps some of you deniers do not have anyone that you love enough to care about their welfare. Hope you deniers attend lots of demonstrations too, to test out your assertion that living without precaution is just as effective as those that do their best to protect each other with what is available.

[Haggar]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

Hate to let science get in way but air is .383 nanometers. The corona virus is 5 to 20 nanometers, The size of the air molecule is what lets you breathe while wearing a mask but prevents N95 masks from the transmission of most of the virus molecules.

It cannot capture all of it because it not a tight fit on your face.

I have many friends who are nurses and doctors. They were panicking over the lack of available masks. To those who don't want to wear masks do you think they know something you don't?

[Mumbles]

NOT TRUE. PLEASE DON"T SPREAD YOU MISINFORMATION!!!

The virus, in and of itself is easily small enough to go through a regular mask. But people DO NOT expel single viral RNA strands. They expel a bunch of viral particles in even larger aerosolized droplets, which a mask can stop most of the time if worn properly. However, a mask is very ineffective at stopping a person from GETTING the virus

It would be so convenient, for those of us who are not medical doctors, to have you print your CREDENTIALS when you make statements about a deadly disease. If you are NOT a medical professional at the doctor level, it would be most helpful if you began your statements with : IMO or IMHO. That would help the rest of us interpret your statements as non-professional.
That may go a loooong way in helping us keep cool heads and may even severely damage bad bickering in this forum.

[Mumbles]

Let’s help the community as a whole by having no one leave their house. Everything is home delivered until not one new case of the virus. Ok? Then, in November, guess what? A new strain of the flu. So let’s just wear masks and social distance forever because each year a new flu strain appears. Get it? It goes way beyond “keeping us safe.”

What an excellent idea. I'm all for it, believe me. IMHO we would all stay IN and NEVER go out again! lol

[ldivens]

The protesters have rights we don't have

[kendi]

I haven’t been in a store yet where It was so crowded I couldn’t stay 6 feet from others. When someone who is passing me is closer than 6 feet I simply look in another direction as not to breath on them. I really don’t think it would matter if I was facing them though since I’m only breathing normally. If a mask is required I wear one. If I were in a crowded place I would wear one but mostly for the mental health of others. The panic over this virus is ridiculous.

[Mumbles]

Just wondering.....did you read the article I linked?

I did. I hope all of it is true to fact. I am going to completely rely on it.

[Jacob85]

I agree with the article. Yes some droplets can get through but it only makes sense that having a mask on everyone is better than none at all. If you practice physical distancing with the mask you have cut down your chances of receiving enough of the load of droplets to infect you. Time exposed, strength of the amount of virus you inhale plus distance will lower your risk. It makes sense.

[kendi]

It would be so convenient, for those of us who are not medical doctors, to have you print your CREDENTIALS when you make statements about a deadly disease. If you are NOT a medical professional at the doctor level, it would be most helpful if you began your statements with : IMO or IMHO. That would help the rest of us interpret your statements as non-professional.
That may go a loooong way in helping us keep cool heads and may even severely damage bad bickering in this forum.

Even those in the medical profession have different opinions.

[kendi]

I agree with the article. Yes some droplets can get through but it only makes sense that having a mask on everyone is better than none at all. If you practice physical distancing with the mask you have cut down your chances of receiving enough of the load of droplets to infect you. Time exposed, strength of the amount of virus you inhale plus distance will lower your risk. It makes sense.

Don’t need the mask when social distancing.

[HelenLCSW]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

and your scientific source for this information?

[Mumbles]

Masks do not stop vapors pure and simple, they are political statements and nothing more..

And, you know this how?

[theruizs]

Dr. Fauci discouraged masks because he was concerned about shortages for medical use. If you do any amount of research at all it is pretty clear that masks help reduce the spread. It is not that they protect you from getting it (although they are now saying it may help). It is more that it helps keep the infected who are pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic from spreading it to others. The only mask that is really good at protecting the wearer is the N95. Others will provide some protection, at least better than none. But any mask or face covering at all is very good at keeping infected people from expelling virus into the air through breathing, talking, coughing, or sneezing. If you choose not to wear a mask you are risking others health, not just your own.

[Cybersprings]

According to the deniers on here, a mask is not instrumental in limiting the spread of the virus. Therefore, the deniers are also saying that you should not cough into your shirt sleeve/elbow or wash your hands frequently.
Come on, a mask will limit the germs, even if it does not prevent the spread. A mask is better than NO MASK and you all know it. Of course it won't stop ALL the virus "microbes." But, it does help. So does wearing eye protection and gloves. If you do not agree, that is up to you. Deny, deny, deny and go about your business playing Russian Roulette. Personally, I am not concerned for myself but I wear protective gear to "help" prevent my spouse from getting the deadly virus. Perhaps some of you deniers do not have anyone that you love enough to care about their welfare. Hope you deniers attend lots of demonstrations too, to test out your assertion that living without precaution is just as effective as those that do their best to protect each other with what is available.

Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. Please tell me you do not drive or ride in an automobile so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone that you love enough for that?

[frasep]

What you're saying may be true but it's not like we're wearing masks 24/7.

[OhioBuckeye]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

I’m not here to argue with you but I’ll keep wearing mine & you can keep sucking in all of the virus air that I miss & the ones that do wear a mask appreciate it too. The people that wear mask will keep wearing ours even though the virus goes right though, then if we get Covid-19 I’ll agree with you. Hope you’re right, but just as a safety precaution I’ll keep wearing mine. Thanks for your expertise information though!

[aces_04]

If one chooses to wear a mask please,
Don’t pull it away from your face as you talk.
Don’t wear it on your chin.

It defeats the purpose

If you do either why?

[airstreamingypsy]

The protesters have rights we don't have

Yeah, that pesky Constitution gives them those rights.

[theruizs]

Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. Please tell me you do not drive or ride in an automobile so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone that you love enough for that?

I keep my car in good condition and it has good brakes, turn signals, etc. If you drive a car that does not, you are selfishly putting others at risk. Same with wearing a mask or face covering when in public, “so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone you love enough for that?”

[2daisy]

[QUOTE=Slapnut;1784984]Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people[/QUOT
This is so selfish. You don't like to breath in your own bacteria, but is okay to spread to others. Shame on you!

[Cybersprings]

I keep my car in good condition and it has good brakes, turn signals, etc. If you drive a car that does not, you are selfishly putting others at risk. Same with wearing a mask or face covering when in public, “so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone you love enough for that?”

My mistake...I didn't know all accidents were caused by vehicles in known poor condition. I thought some of them happened as a result of driver mistakes, blown tires, road hazards, etc. If you do not use an automobile, there is a 100% chance that you will not accidentally kill someone with one. If you wear a mask, there is a percentage less than 100% that you will not infect someone with a virus that is~99% survivable. Which choice do you make? Have you been wearing a mask for years to ensure that you never gave someone the flu? Just curious

by the way, I wear a mask when I go into the store. I'm just sick and tired of the people who are attacking those who don't. And I always cough when I wear a mask, which then makes people look at me like I have the plague. I take of the mask the minute I walk out of the store and breathe the fresh air...no coughing.

[nututv]

A funny thread really. Everything from the sky is falling to no way. I'm on more of the no way side. Masks, lock-downs, groups being unlawful... (unless you're protesting of course). It's all just a social experiment in controlling.
'Mask shamers' (yeah, that's a term now)
I was told I was taking chances not wearing a mask a few weeks back by a lady that had to be 100 lb overweight. She nearly screamed at my reply, I'll bet she hasn't 'shamed' since. lol
I'm in my early 60's, I'm active, very fit and haven't so much as had a cold in years. In the past 15 days, I've paddled probably 100 miles and cycled probably 60. I would have done much more but the afternoon storms keep me in more than I'd like.
The obesity rate in America is at 40 percent. An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are caused by it. If you have a 'condition' due to your being too fat (diabetes etc.) that has put you at risk of getting the flu... hey wait a minute, you mean you've been ignoring your body for decades but now it's my responsibility to keep you healthy? haha No!
I can guarantee everyone here is going to die of something. You can sit there and put blame on someone else or just man up and put blame on yourself.
Life is like a sail. You can hang around that mast until you dry rot or you can go out in tatters, shredded from the winds. I prefer the windy ocean thank you.
And on a side note. I've handled far too many masks and blue gloves these past few months myself. From parking lots, to trails, beaches and even one probably a mile out in the gulf.

[matandch]

Just you wait and see!

[am.zinger@aol.com]

Dr. Fauci says no... video
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaq9JHKq8CI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QXC0xViCVm8nZ0wJUzyOg1lQTA_fnCpD59lwWX EOZGqRKnwLUHI43Uw0)

[Scorpyo]

Oh my god, I might get nitrogen narcosis if I breathe with a mask on. That damn dentist must be trying to kill me with the nitrogen he gave me. And that damn mask might stop a few droplets from getting through. If it won't stop 100% then I'm not wearing it. If I'm not 100% protected I'd rather not be protected at all! Interesting and intellectual arguments wouldn't you say?

[Barefoot]

The panic over this virus is ridiculous.I don't think it's ridiculous at all. The virus can kill people.
That's why people wear masks in public, and practice social distancing.

[am.zinger@aol.com]

DON'T WEAR A MASK: Dr. Fauci from March 8th - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=MOeVkg9P-R8&feature=emb_title)

[nututv]

Dr. Fauci says no... video
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaq9JHKq8CI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QXC0xViCVm8nZ0wJUzyOg1lQTA_fnCpD59lwWX EOZGqRKnwLUHI43Uw0)

And some other Doc says yes. lol

[allsport]

No, the research shows if both you and whoever you are around wear masks the likelihood of the virus to spread is very small. If you don't, it is very likely you will get the virus. Follow the science not the fantasy you see on TV.

[allsport]

Follow the latest science, any new disease has evolving information but the countries that wear masks have gotten rid of the virus. Fairly simple science.

[Barefoot]

I agree that masks help stop the spread of the coronavirus.

[allsport]

Stay out of my air space because you are reckless and that is your right. Me, I want to stick around a while longer.

[nututv]

There are so many great quotes regarding all of this. Here are a few of my favorites.

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.

Sheep only need a single flock, but people need two: one to belong to and make them feel comfortable, and another to blame all of society’s problems on.

Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.

[Barefoot]

DON'T WEAR A MASK: Dr. Fauci from March 8th - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=MOeVkg9P-R8&feature=emb_title)That video is more than three months old! The thinking on wearing masks has changed since March 8, 2020.

[nututv]

That video is more than three months old!
The thinking on wearing masks has changed since March 8.

It's an AOL account. He or she probably just received it. lol

[Byte1]

Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. Please tell me you do not drive or ride in an automobile so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone that you love enough for that?

Apparently, you either did not read my entire post or I did not simplify my post enough for others to understand.
In order to correlate your post with mine, you should have said something like "I suppose you make passengers wear a seatbelt to protect them in case of an accident." I have been doing the shopping for my spouse for the past three months, including in the beginning by ordering on line and picking it up curbside. I think I said that I only wear protective gear because I wish to lower the chances of infecting my spouse. I hardly see how "not driving" would relate. Of course, if I did not go out to shop there would be less chance of contracting the virus. But, according to your suggestion, it would not matter whether or not I left that house, right?

[Barefoot]

Follow the latest science, any new disease has evolving information. The countries that wear masks have gotten rid of the virus. Fairly simple science.:agree:

[TSO/ISPF]

Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. Please tell me you do not drive or ride in an automobile so as not to accidentally kill someone...or do you not have someone that you love enough for that?
that's pretty OFF topic. So people who don't wear masks while in a public market or other public place don't wear seat belts?
Sound about right? Do unto others...

[coffeebean]

What is Dr. Fauci saying today? Wear a mask- No need to wear a mask- wear a mask- Not necessary to wear a mask?????????????????????????????? WHAT?????:ohdear:

The final word is WEAR A MASK. Take that to the bank!

[scottvs1961]

:agree:

While I am sure I will not be allowed to post a link since I am a newbie here. Hopefully you can copy and paste this into a browser.

This is a recent research article on the transmission of the COVID-19 virus.

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19 | PNAS (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117)

[coffeebean]

Nothing like a good ole mask in 90 degree heat. Please. Common sense over fear.

Outdoors is not as critical for mask wearing so no worries about 90 degree heat. Indoors, where social distancing is not guaranteed, is when it is necessary for wearing a mask to help slow the spread of the virus.

[Scorpyo]

DON'T WEAR A MASK: Dr. Fauci from March 8th - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=MOeVkg9P-R8&feature=emb_title)
The earth is flat! 400 B.C.

[coffeebean]

Let’s put this in some perspective in a more simple way to understand it. Sorry if this is crude but want to get the point across.

If you and I are both standing naked and I turn toward you and urinate you are going to get wet. If you put on clothes and I urinate you will still get wet but not near as much as when you were naked. If I put on clothes most will be stopped by my clothes but some might still get out and if you’re naked and too close you could still get wet. If we both have clothes on you will not get wet.

Once again, just trying to give a little perspective. It is totally incorrect to say masks do not provide protection. The more of us who wear them the better protection for everyone.

Not only will protection be provided if more people wear masks, we can slow the spread of the virus. The more the population slows the spread of the virus, the sooner we can open the economy and do it more safely. We need to be diligent until a effective vaccine can provide all of us with herd immunity.

[Curtisbwp]

Hmm. Does that mean that all of the peaceful protesters with molontov cocktails, bricks, bats and guns will all die for not wareing masks?



Great article.......

Masks help stop the spread of coronavirus – the science is simple and I'm one of 100 experts urging governors to require public mask-wearing (https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507)

[coffeebean]

Masks help the looters remain anonymous. Simple. I CANT BREATHE 🤔 take off the mask. Problem solved.
Oh I’m putting up a chain link fence to keep the mosquitoes out.

With the amount of information, scientific or just plain common sense that is out there, I can see you with your hands over your eyes and ears shouting, "la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la~~~~~~~. This must be the reason you JUST DON'T GET IT!

[coffeebean]

I did read your article Coffeebean and thank you. Why these people don't want to do their share in slowing the spread of this deadly virus is beyond me. And the commend about breathing your own nitrogen (oxide) really gave me a laugh. Grow up people, listen to the scientists and help save a few lives. One could be yours.

You are very welcome.

[Byte1]

Hmm. Does that mean that all of the peaceful protesters with molontov cocktails, bricks, bats and guns will all die for not wareing masks?

One can only hope.:a040:

[coffeebean]

Masks do not stop vapors pure and simple, they are political statements and nothing more..

From every bit of information we have received as a population, I have learned that the virus is propelled into the air by droplets from a person's nose or mouth, not vapors. Do you have a link that states the virus is transmitted via vapors? Please provide it. I just may learn something new today. Thanks.

[Brynnie]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

You missed the point of the article. It’s about source control. The study showed that if a person wears a mask, the droplets from talking, coughing, and sneezing aren’t easily transmitted to others. So if everyone wore masks, the virus would be stopped AT THE SOURCE, and would never make it to other people’s masks for incoming penetration.

[coffeebean]

Dr. Fauci says no... video
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaq9JHKq8CI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QXC0xViCVm8nZ0wJUzyOg1lQTA_fnCpD59lwWX EOZGqRKnwLUHI43Uw0)

Just tried to view the video but the video is unavailable. I would bet this video is from early on in the pandemic. That is old news and information. Dr. Fauci advocates mask wearing now.

Read this entire article and you will see it debunks what you said.........

Did Anthony Fauci Say People No Longer Need to Wear Masks? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/)

[coffeebean]

DON'T WEAR A MASK: Dr. Fauci from March 8th - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=MOeVkg9P-R8&feature=emb_title)

You linked a video from MARCH 8th. Oh, my goodness. Have you been in hibernation for more than three months? Information on this virus changes nearly on a daily basis. PAY ATTENTION to what is going on around you, for crying out loud.

[nututv]

With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?

[coffeebean]

While I am sure I will not be allowed to post a link since I am a newbie here. Hopefully you can copy and paste this into a browser.

This is a recent research article on the transmission of the COVID-19 virus.

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19 | PNAS (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117)

I must admit, I did not read the entire research article. I did, however, jump to "The Conclusions". Here is an excerpt from "The Conclusions".This is worth the read..........

We conclude that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracking, poses the most probable fighting opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine. It is also important to emphasize that sound science should be effectively communicated to policy makers and should constitute the prime foundation in decision-making amid this pandemic. Implementing policies without a scientific basis could lead to catastrophic consequences, particularly in light of attempts to reopen the economy in many countries. Clearly, integration between science and policy is crucial to formulation of effective emergency responses by policy makers and preparedness by the public for the current and future public health pandemics.

[SUENRAN]

You may want to see what OSHA has to say. OSHA Standard 29CFR1910.134. Having been in the first responder for most of my life, I'll continue wearing my N-95!

[jimjamuser]

With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?
Science changes when necessary. Public minds stay calcified for very long.

[nututv]

Science changes when necessary. Public minds stay calcified for very long.

In the current state of things, even science is difficult to define.

[coffeebean]

With the amount of information that is out on the subject of wearing a mask or not, does the subject need to be regurgitated again and again... and again? Minds aren't going to be changed at this point I don't believe. It's just another internet squabble that in the end wont change a thing but create more division among people. Don't we have enough of that already?

IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.

[matandch]

My gut tells me that me I f we stay on the current path, there will be 20,000-30,000 cases in TV by next April with 700-1000 deaths.

[nututv]

IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.

Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.

[ffresh]

A funny thread really. Everything from the sky is falling to no way. I'm on more of the no way side. Masks, lock-downs, groups being unlawful... (unless you're protesting of course). It's all just a social experiment in controlling.
'Mask shamers' (yeah, that's a term now)
I was told I was taking chances not wearing a mask a few weeks back by a lady that had to be 100 lb overweight. She nearly screamed at my reply, I'll bet she hasn't 'shamed' since. lol
I'm in my early 60's, I'm active, very fit and haven't so much as had a cold in years. In the past 15 days, I've paddled probably 100 miles and cycled probably 60. I would have done much more but the afternoon storms keep me in more than I'd like.
The obesity rate in America is at 40 percent. An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are caused by it. If you have a 'condition' due to your being too fat (diabetes etc.) that has put you at risk of getting the flu... hey wait a minute, you mean you've been ignoring your body for decades but now it's my responsibility to keep you healthy? haha No!
I can guarantee everyone here is going to die of something. You can sit there and put blame on someone else or just man up and put blame on yourself.
Life is like a sail. You can hang around that mast until you dry rot or you can go out in tatters, shredded from the winds. I prefer the windy ocean thank you.
And on a side note. I've handled far too many masks and blue gloves these past few months myself. From parking lots, to trails, beaches and even one probably a mile out in the gulf.

I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred

[ffresh]

Just you wait and see!

OK, you've piqued my curiosity … see what? :shocked:

Fred

[nututv]

I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred

haha. My posts (and myself) have been called many things. Never excellent. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[donassaid]

The ONLY people who should be wearing masks are those who know they have the virus. Wearing a mask will not keep you from getting the virus but can cause a myriad of problems by breathing in your own carbon dioxide, including a weakened immune system as well as pleurisy. Since the virus can only survive 90 seconds in hear and humidity, it is ridiculous to wear a mask outside. But wear one if you like. Just don't try to force others to do the same.

[Slapnut]

The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.

[ColdNoMore]

The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.

I (as I'm sure many others) would be very interested, given that doctors and nurses wear masks all day these days, in a legitimate/scientific link...that proves your assertion(s). :popcorn:

[nututv]

I (as I'm sure many others) would be very interested, given that doctors and nurses wear masks all day these days, in a legitimate/scientific link...that proves your assertion(s). :popcorn:
Look up shallow breathing/breathers. I am one, it's an issue that I have to see a professional for monthly. It's a real thing and mine is not caused by any diseases (well not completely anyway), simply the way my body works... or doesn't I should say.

[Dayeight99]

So, when will you remove the mask? Ever? This fall there will be a seasonal flu and guess what? It’s contagious. What are you and all the Lemmings going to do? Where your mask forever?

[nututv]

If they had masks that said Titleist or Gucci many would probably sleep with them on. lol

[jimjamuser]

In the current state of things, even science is difficult to define.
Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

[jimjamuser]

Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.
Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.

[jimjamuser]

I don't know if I'm the first, but permit me to congratulate you on an EXCELLENT post - one of the best I've read (and I've read many) :clap2::clap2:

Fred
Thank you for your service in picking up litter. Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

[jimjamuser]

The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.
I don't think so.

[coffeebean]

Like overeating, wearing seat belts and abusing drugs? Those have been preached now for how many decades? Obesity is at an all time high, tickets are still being written and are a major source of income for the police and the drug problem is worse than it's ever been.
Seems repeating the message isn't working so well. I don't know what the answer is but I know what isn't working.

I feel like the little engine that could. I just keep trying.

[coffeebean]

The problem with wearing them is that you are constantly breathing your own nitrogen which disrupts your pH balance in the body. You're not getting the amount of oxygen to your brain that you normally do. It's going to be too late when people start having problems due to misconceptions about needing to wear these useless masks. Ask any doctor or nurse.

I haven't heard of any surgeons keeling over in operating rooms after wearing masks for hours on end without a break. Have you?

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Great article.......

Masks help stop the spread of coronavirus – the science is simple and I'm one of 100 experts urging governors to require public mask-wearing (https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507)

For all the time that I have been Luanda around people like in grocery shopping etc I have yet to see anyone sneeze or even cough 😷. That is really the only thing that wearing a mask helps with.

Wear one or not is your choice.

[Dayeight99]

Ok. So we’ll just wear them everyday forever. Just like underwear. Got it.

[Velvet]

Hubby’s friend stops by the house. He has a mask hanging on the front of his scooter. He leaves it there. Then he wonders why is he not invited in?

[Dayeight99]

Wake up.

[ColdNoMore]

Hubby’s friend stops by the house. He has a mask hanging on the front of his scooter. He leaves it there. Then he wonders why is he not invited in?

Seriously? :oops:

[Ritabob]

No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

[Villagerjjm]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

Show proof please!

[Villagerjjm]

No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

It can be mandated by any of our governors and it can be enforced with a monetary fine. Ever get caught speeding on your golf cart?

[nututv]

Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.
Yeah, that's the way it's supposed to work, too bad the getting the truthful word out part is broken. Now everything is politicized. Left wing nut job scientists theorize the left is correct, right wing nut job scientists theorize the right is.:ohdear:

[Villagerjjm]

Where did you get your information from. Ask most nurses and doctors who will tell you that breathing in and out your own nitrogen is bad for your body. The pH level isn't balanced and this will result in not enough oxygen to your brain. You're also breathing in and out your own bacteria which isn't good for your body. Go ahead and believe what you want but if we were meant to breathe through masks,we would have been born with them. Also don't force what you feel is right on other people

What?? I did talk to doctors and nurses. They ALL recommend that you wear a mask to minimize spreading COVID-19 to people around you if it so happens that you do have it. By the way, Nitrogen is a neutral element. It takes the electrical force equivalent to a lightning bolt to generate the ionized forms that will allow it to react with other elements. Home schooling....SMH !!

[nututv]

Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.
I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

[ALadysMom]

Let’s put this in some perspective in a more simple way to understand it. Sorry if this is crude but want to get the point across.

If you and I are both standing naked and I turn toward you and urinate you are going to get wet. If you put on clothes and I urinate you will still get wet but not near as much as when you were naked. If I put on clothes most will be stopped by my clothes but some might still get out and if you’re naked and too close you could still get wet. If we both have clothes on you will not get wet.

Once again, just trying to give a little perspective. It is totally incorrect to say masks do not provide protection. The more of us who wear them the better protection for everyone.

🤔 You & I should both wear clothes & keep them on but so should the protesters since they might pee on each other too

[ALadysMom]

I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

Don’t know about the school of hard knocks but you’ve definitely been to the dummy crash test of hard knocks! Glad you made it through to rebel.

[JoMar]

I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

Just for balance, I was T-Boned by a one ton truck doing 35 (at least) in a camaro and I rolled three times. Had seat belts on, when the Police showed up with the ambulance he asked the other cap was I alive. I answered, the belts saved my life. 10 years later was t-Boned by an SUV, I was making a left turn and she couldn't see the red light because she was looking directly into the sun. I was saved by the side air bags....car was totaled and I was sore for a couple weeks but if I didn't have the belts I would have been dead and if I didn't have the bags I would have been dead. I believe that we should have a choice but if you don't buckle up and are hurt you pay the bills, not the insurance company. Same with helmets on bikes, you don't need to wear them but I don't want to pay for your injuries.

[ALadysMom]

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

[ts12755]

Society does not want to walk atound with masks. I don't want people waiting on me and restaurants wearing masks. If you're sick or weak stay home. The rest of us will take our chances and live our lives.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

[ALadysMom]

Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

I’ll try to remember to spout an equation at the Pearly Gates.

[ALadysMom]

Just for balance, I was T-Boned by a one ton truck doing 35 (at least) in a camaro and I rolled three times. Had seat belts on, when the Police showed up with the ambulance he asked the other cap was I alive. I answered, the belts saved my life. 10 years later was t-Boned by an SUV, I was making a left turn and she couldn't see the red light because she was looking directly into the sun. I was saved by the side air bags....car was totaled and I was sore for a couple weeks but if I didn't have the belts I would have been dead and if I didn't have the bags I would have been dead. I believe that we should have a choice but if you don't buckle up and are hurt you pay the bills, not the insurance company. Same with helmets on bikes, you don't need to wear them but I don't want to pay for your injuries.

I too lived through a very serious crash. The firefighters pulled me out without a scratch nor even an ache or pain. I had my seat belt on but I also believe my last-second cry for help really made the biggest difference. PBTG

[ALadysMom]

IMHO, yes it most certainly does. Seems there are too many people who either deny or are just not informed of the science of mask wearing. More and more information is available now than when this pandemic first arrived in America.


I’ve always wanted to ask this of someone “in the know:” Why was the science of mask-wearing not readily available before this pandemic ever hit? Why did it appear as though our officials were literally making things up as they went along? Why were we so poorly prepared with stockpiles of PPE and basic medical equipment and supplies when there has been an alphabet soup of other rapidly spreading contagions recently (SARS, MERS Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, not to mention TB and others)
These have spanned several administrations so please don’t don’t the easy route of blamzing it on the other party.

Many people in other countries have been methodically donning masks for a long time prior to 2020, ostensibly because their homelands have recently endured other contagions like SARS & they were told masks would help.

Didn’t the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or South Korean health officials study the effectiveness of the masks their own citizens have been wearing?

Or, does the CDC routinely dismiss foreign science strictly because it isn’t American science? It sure seems as if that must be the case.

If so, then some science isn’t nearly as reliable as other science & therein lies the problem because validity then becomes a matter of judgment and is open to interpretation.

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.

[ALadysMom]

I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

I know this isn’t meant to be funny but the my feeble mind could not help but picture your plight in detail. what if the dude had sneezed or coughed while bent over? You might have had to marry him!

[Villagerjjm]

Wearing masks everyday in China didn’t help the spread....they’ve been wearing them for years. Every time I wear one for more than just a few minutes I get a sore throat or feel lightheaded. We’re all going to do what makes us comfortable. It’s not your place to judge me or me you. If I’m sick, I stay home...I’d hope you’d do the same. Millions have tested positive and either haven’t gotten sick or have recovered.

Could you please link us up to some facts?
FIRST: The statistic that shows that wearing masks in China did not help the spread (also that they have been wearing them for years).
SECOND: Where have millions tested positive but either have not gotten sick or recovered.
Thanks in advance!
If no facts, will you please remove your post?

[Villagerjjm]

There are so many great quotes regarding all of this. Here are a few of my favorites.

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.

Sheep only need a single flock, but people need two: one to belong to and make them feel comfortable, and another to blame all of society’s problems on.

Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.
There does not seem to be a point for this message to be posted on a discussion about masks.

[coffeebean]

For all the time that I have been Luanda around people like in grocery shopping etc I have yet to see anyone sneeze or even cough ������. That is really the only thing that wearing a mask helps with.

Wear one or not is your choice.

As some posters have already reported, many medical facilities (such as doctor's offices) will not see or treat you unless you do wear a mask. It is their prerogative to turn you away. In those instances, you do not have a choice to not wear a mask if you want or need medical treatment.

Doesn't it make you come to the conclusion that wearing a mask is beneficial if medical professionals are mandating mask wearing in their facilities?

[Altavia]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

[coffeebean]

Ok. So we’ll just wear them everyday forever. Just like underwear. Got it.

No, that is not correct. Once there is an effective vaccine or an effective treatment for Covid, mask wearing will probably be a thing of the past. We are in the middle of a pandemic and must deal with this "new" normal as best we can and we need to do what is right. Mask wearing is just one method to mitigate this virus.

We all hope to be back to the real normal eventually. So.......no we will not have to wear masks every day forever.

[coffeebean]

No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

Why is it we do not see anyone walking into any establishment with no pants or underwear on? Covering up your bottom is enforceable. Why not covering up your nose and mouth? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

Wearing a contaminated mask is detrimental to the wearer but is still very beneficial to others around the wearer. I know that sounds very selfish but it is true. It is very easy to keep a fabric mask not contaminated for the wearer. Just fold it up so the inside does not touch anything other than your nose and mouth. Do not touch the inside of the mask with your hands and do not allow any surface to brush against the inside of the mask. I fold my mask up in this safe manner and place it in a plastic snack bag and keep it in my purse. I do wash my cloth masks every time I do the laundry. This is so easy to do and keeps the mask wearer safe from contaminants other than their own droplets.

[coffeebean]

Society does not want to walk atound with masks. I don't want people waiting on me and restaurants wearing masks. If you're sick or weak stay home. The rest of us will take our chances and live our lives.

Asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people do not have any symptoms so they don't know if they are sick with the virus. That is what this mask wearing is all about. Would you stay home from work if you feel perfectly normal? Most people wouldn't.

Wait staff in restaurants are making your dining experience much safer for you. You don't understand that????? Your waiter can be pre-symptomatic or totally asymptomatic for Covid, unknown to himself or to his customers.

Wait staff wearing masks protects everyone they come in contact with. That makes me feel safer and I've been dining out in restaurants in any establishment that mandates their employees to all wear masks. They get my business. Establishments which do not mandate their employees wear masks do not get my business.

It is very unfortunate for restaurant employees who must deal with the public because their patrons are not masked. Mask wearing is not conducive while eating and drinking and I don't think that will every change. It seems unfair but that is what they must do to continue to earn a living as restaurant employees.

I'm hoping this will all change and we can all go back to our maskless days when there is an effective vaccine and/or an effective treatment for Covid. Until then, masks are a way we can all help to mitigate this disease.

[coffeebean]

I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

I know, right? I'm with you on that one. People are so clueless sometimes. I often think they are living in another time and that just may be the case in their minds.

OBB.....you are too funny. Love reading your posts.

[coffeebean]

I’ve always wanted to ask this of someone “in the know:” Why was the science of mask-wearing not readily available before this pandemic ever hit? Why did it appear as though our officials were literally making things up as they went along? Why were we so poorly prepared with stockpiles of PPE and basic medical equipment and supplies when there has been an alphabet soup of other rapidly spreading contagions recently (SARS, MERS Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, not to mention TB and others)
These have spanned several administrations so please don’t don’t the easy route of blamzing it on the other party.

Many people in other countries have been methodically donning masks for a long time prior to 2020, ostensibly because their homelands have recently endured other contagions like SARS & they were told masks would help.

Didn’t the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or South Korean health officials study the effectiveness of the masks their own citizens have been wearing?

Or, does the CDC routinely dismiss foreign science strictly because it isn’t American science? It sure seems as if that must be the case.

If so, then some science isn’t nearly as reliable as other science & therein lies the problem because validity then becomes a matter of judgment and is open to interpretation.

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.

You bring up extremely valid points. I'm the first one to say I'm very disappointed in our current administration and the experts who told us all not to wear masks unless we were sick or caring for someone who was sick with Covid. That was wrong on every level and they have since come "clean" with their reasons for being deceitful to the American people. I don't buy their excuses, AT ALL.

Once we got the recommendation from the experts and the CDC that wearing masks can help slow the spread of this dreadful virus, the American people sprung into action. We were requested not to stockpile PPE that our health care professionals needed to care for our sick. So what did we do? Home made face coverings were being made at an accelerated rate. Mask instructional videos were exploding on YouTube. Americans answered the call just like it was a war effort.

We did the right thing and left the available PPE for the front line workers. We are covering our faces with our home made masks and I'm so proud of the effort put forth by those Americans who choose to help mitigate this virus. Now, I'm seeing masks everywhere in retail stores and pharmacies so they are now readily available to the public.......just like toilet paper. Thank goodness!

[coffeebean]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

Just wondering.......are YOU the doctor or did you get this quote from someone else? This is better information and more to the point than our experts have given us.
Thank you for posting this.

[coffeebean]

In sixth grade science classes, one should learn that air is mostly nitrogen and that's the stuff we're breathing.

Earth's Atmosphere: Composition, Climate & Weather | Space (https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html)

Excerpt from the above linked article.........

Composition of air

According to NASA, the gases in Earth's atmosphere include:

Nitrogen — 78 percent
Oxygen — 21 percent
Argon — 0.93 percent
Carbon dioxide — 0.04 percent
Trace amounts of neon, helium, methane, krypton and hydrogen, as well as water vapor

[coffeebean]

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

I'm a proponent of mask wearing indoors when social distancing is not guaranteed. I'm not trying to enforce anyone to wear a mask. I'm trying to inform people as to the reason and benefits of mask wearing. I listen to the experts and science and provide links when I see a great article to pass on.

The choice is most certainly yours to wear or not wear a mask. No one if forcing you to wear a mask with the exception of some doctor's offices that I have and hubby have gone to. Doctor's offices will not give you the option of not wearing a mask unless you have a medical condition which prevents you from wearing one.

Again, the choice is yours. Just hope, after becoming informed of the reasons and benefits of mask wearing, that you make the correct choice.

[nututv]

There does not seem to be a point for this message to be posted on a discussion about masks.

1. Collective fear. 2. Sheep. 3. Act humanely/sanely

[Velvet]

I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

You were lucky if you were in a car. The air bag is supposed to help. On a motorcycle it is different. You need to be thrown clear. I’ve been t-boned at the front wheel just in front of my knee. I was wearing full gear and injuries were not too bad. I like my life so no Russian roulette for me.

[Altavia]

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Just wondering.......are YOU the doctor or did you get this quote from someone else? This is better information and more to the point than our experts have given us.
Thank you for posting this.

Cut and pasted from FB, author unknown. Thought it was a good synthesis also.

[regas56]

In the last 12 months I've survived emergency open heart surgery, 3 precancerous polyp's, 4 diverticulitis pockets, a double esophageal stricture (couldn't swallow food), and infected tick bite and now I'm 6 weeks into a nasty brown recluse spider bite..I'm really sorry but the coronavirus is about the last thing I'm going to worry about right now. I work full time with power tools every single day and am on eliquis and aspirin.... seriously the coronovirus??? hahahahaha I have more customers than I can handle inviting me into their homes and they don't seem to be much concerned either. In the last year I've come to realize that when my God says it's time to come home I can be hiding in the darkest deepest recesses of my closet with a blanket over my head and I'll still be going home.. I however will NOT jeopardize others with my choices by invading your social space or not wear a mask in your home if you ask and I will monitor my health every single day.. In the last 4 hospital/doctors visits I have not been asked to wear a mask and less then 30% of the medical staff have worn them so I choose to not walk around town with a loose fitting blanket on my face because a scientist says they might or might not work..I went to Walmart yesterday for a script and rubbed shoulders with 1000 other people and they said I was fine but when I went out to my truck and found I had a flat the shop at walmart said sorry we can't fix it because we're closed for the coronovirus until further notice... What??? Somethings not right here folks and I ain't falling for it..

[Byte1]

Difficult to knock or dismiss the lifesaving qualities of seat belts. Not having basic regulations is like having anarchy. Even the wild-west had traditions, social limitations, and even sheriffs.

I survived anarchy growing up. We didn't have seat belts.:a040:

[NavyVet]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

:bigbow: Now this makes scientific sense. Thank you! :clap2:

[Velvet]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

Well said! Thank you for articulating so clearly the issues. If you’re running for something, you got my vote.

[coffeebean]

1. Collective fear. 2. Sheep. 3. Act humanely/sanely

Just wondering.......will you don a mask when visiting a doctor in the office if the doctor mandates wearing a mask is required?

[coffeebean]

[



Cut and pasted from FB, author unknown. Thought it was a good synthesis also.

Thanks.

[17989Jc]

The Governor said yesterday if cases keep going up he may
Make it mandatory to wear a MASK.

[coffeebean]

The Governor said yesterday if cases keep going up he may
Make it mandatory to wear a MASK.

I surely hope DeSantis makes wearing a mask mandatory for the thousands of people who are attending the RNC in Jacksonville. Having this huge amount of people shoulder to shoulder indoors is a recipe for disaster. I'm shaking my head over that.

[theruizs]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery...

Thank you for your experienced voice of reason. It is appreciated, although there is a group of posters who will argue just to be arguing even after their arguments have been repeatedly put to rest. I think they figure if their post ends up being the last one in the chain of argument, they’ve won. It’s not about winning, it’s about how we treat each other.

[theruizs]

In the last 12 months I've survived emergency open heart surgery, 3 precancerous polyp's, 4 diverticulitis pockets, a double esophageal stricture (couldn't swallow food), and infected tick bite and now I'm 6 weeks into a nasty brown recluse spider bite..I'm really sorry but the coronavirus is about the last thing I'm going to worry about right now. I work full time with power tools every single day and am on eliquis and aspirin.... seriously the coronovirus??? hahahahaha I have more customers than I can handle inviting me into their homes and they don't seem to be much concerned either. In the last year I've come to realize that when my God says it's time to come home I can be hiding in the darkest deepest recesses of my closet with a blanket over my head and I'll still be going home.. I however will NOT jeopardize others with my choices by invading your social space or not wear a mask in your home if you ask and I will monitor my health every single day.. In the last 4 hospital/doctors visits I have not been asked to wear a mask and less then 30% of the medical staff have worn them so I choose to not walk around town with a loose fitting blanket on my face because a scientist says they might or might not work..I went to Walmart yesterday for a script and rubbed shoulders with 1000 other people and they said I was fine but when I went out to my truck and found I had a flat the shop at walmart said sorry we can't fix it because we're closed for the coronovirus until further notice... What??? Somethings not right here folks and I ain't falling for it..

Hmmm. No masks in the hospital? Those stays were in the last 2 or 3 months? And rubbed shoulders with a 1000 people at Walmart? A little hyperbole to make a point I guess. With all you’ve been through it seems to me wearing a mask to protect others from similar suffering would be a given for you. And let’s be honest, it is nothing like wearing a blanket. Little kids can handle wearing them for hours, I think us adult men and women could too.

[nututv]

Just wondering.......will you don a mask when visiting a doctor in the office if the doctor mandates wearing a mask is required?
Of course I would, not to would be selfish and disrespectful. That said, if I knew of another place that didn't, I be making tracks for them.
I'm fit, I exercise and according to my doc, have the workings of someone in their late 30's and I'm 62 even though I've had a TIA and have sarcoidosis (it's a pulmonary disease btw). I can still do pull ups, push ups etc. I weigh what I did when I graduated high school in 74, less than I weighed when I got out of boot camp. Am I supposed to wear a mask because some obese person is afraid of what I don't have when they've been putting their heath at risk for decades? lol Nope! 300,000 people die annually because of obesity or from a condition related to it (and have been for quite some time now). Do you go around telling them they're fat and to stop eating so damn much? 40 percent of the population is obese. BTW, want to save energy? There's a great start, just think of what is required to get that many people, that fat.

I've answered your question now please answer mine. Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out? I have, dozens upon dozens of times.

[ColdNoMore]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"


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I have to honestly admit though...my mind is slowly being changed.

While I will still minimize my interaction with others, always wear a mask in public and think everyone should also do so, the anti-mask/anti-science faction...does have a point though.

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

[nututv]

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

It's called 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'. It was written somewhere once. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to drink, drink. If you want to be fat, eat. You want to jump off a bridge, jump. etc etc.
Just don't blow the smoke on someone that doesn't, force a bottle down the next guy, force feed another or push the person off that's leaning over the rail.

[ColdNoMore]

It's called 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'. It was written somewhere once. If you want to smoke, smoke. If you want to drink, drink. If you want to be fat, eat. You want to jump off a bridge, jump. etc etc.
Just don't blow the smoke on someone that doesn't, force a bottle down the next guy, force feed another or push the person off that's leaning over the rail.

Which, in essence, is exactly...what I said. :oops:

[Velvet]

Honolulu Star Advertiser today:

China also limited other travel around the capital, keying in on hot spots. Beijing had essentially eradicated local transmissions until recent days, with 137 new cases since last week.

On Wednesday, the city of 20 million raised its threat level from 3 to 2, canceling classes, suspending reopenings and strengthening requirements for social distancing. China had relaxed many lockdown controls after the Communist Party declared victory over the virus in March.

....

We are dealing with a very, very contagious disease.

[nututv]

Which, in essence, is exactly...what I said. :oops:

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

[ColdNoMore]

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

Depending on how far away and if I had a method to do so, without touching them...probably yes.

I often go out out of my way on the golf course and other places...to pick up trash.

Help me out though, what does that question...have to do with the subject of the thread? :confused:

[regas56]

Hmmm. No masks in the hospital? Those stays were in the last 2 or 3 months? And rubbed shoulders with a 1000 people at Walmart? A little hyperbole to make a point I guess. With all you’ve been through it seems to me wearing a mask to protect others from similar suffering would be a given for you. And let’s be honest, it is nothing like wearing a blanket. Little kids can handle wearing them for hours, I think us adult men and women could too. Yes it was in the last 2 months.. NO..zero hyperbole. Yes.. 980 and all counted at a time in our Walmart.. I wear a mask on my job during the week (drywall) and YES most I see wearing a mask it's a joke the way they wear it, baggy and hanging off so it's just a fashion statement..If you're retired and in the top 20% for God Sake STAY HOME and beat the odds but I do not believe that paper shield on your face is going to extend your life any longer than SOCIAL DISTANCING but it will give you a false sense of security and for proof just look at all the people tugging, pulling and readjusting them CONSTANTLY with their hands..

[Lindsyburnsy]

When people talk, sing, sneeze, they often spit or spray and a mask will protect you from those droplets that can carry the virus. What is it about not wanting to wear a mask?

[nututv]

Depending on how far away and if I had a method to do so, without touching them...probably yes.

I often go out out of my way on the golf course and other places...to pick up trash.

Help me out though, what does that question...have to do with the subject of the thread? :confused:
I'll try and keep it short. I have little faith in humans. They not only screw up everything for other humans but they take everything else down the drain with them, Mother Nature. Now Mother Nature I have an overwhelming amount of faith in, and empathy for.
I'd lie awake at night knowing that I passed by a glove that was going to end up in a turtles mouth killing it.
Masks and medical gloves (which I wear neither of) I'm told I should wear to help others, yet so many of the others just throw them out like a cigarette butt. Who is responsible for cleaning up the supposed 'bio hazard' mess?
I mean I'm being told I'm putting others at risk not wearing them, yet I'm forced to clean up after these same people picking up their used masks and gloves. I picked up one in Brownwood just last week.
It was more a curiosity thing. I'm just so frustrated at the average humans lack of caring.

[Astron]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

Could you please give us your qualifications to make such a clinical judgement that appears at odds with the findings of numerous peer reviewed research articles such as the one referenced by the OP? Thank you.

[ColdNoMore]

I'll try and keep it short. I have little faith in humans. They not only screw up everything for other humans but they take everything else down the drain with them, Mother Nature. Now Mother Nature I have an overwhelming amount of faith in, and empathy for.
I'd lie awake at night knowing that I passed by a glove that was going to end up in a turtles mouth killing it.
Masks and medical gloves (which I wear neither of) I'm told I should wear to help others, yet so many of the others just throw them out like a cigarette butt. Who is responsible for cleaning up the supposed 'bio hazard' mess?
I mean I'm being told I'm putting others at risk not wearing them, yet I'm forced to clean up after these same people picking up their used masks and gloves. I picked up one in Brownwood just last week.
It was more a curiosity thing. I'm just so frustrated at the average humans lack of caring.

On that...we totally agree! :thumbup:

[coffeebean]

Of course I would, not to would be selfish and disrespectful. That said, if I knew of another place that didn't, I be making tracks for them.
I'm fit, I exercise and according to my doc, have the workings of someone in their late 30's and I'm 62 even though I've had a TIA and have sarcoidosis (it's a pulmonary disease btw). I can still do pull ups, push ups etc. I weigh what I did when I graduated high school in 74, less than I weighed when I got out of boot camp. Am I supposed to wear a mask because some obese person is afraid of what I don't have when they've been putting their heath at risk for decades? lol Nope! 300,000 people die annually because of obesity or from a condition related to it (and have been for quite some time now). Do you go around telling them they're fat and to stop eating so damn much? 40 percent of the population is obese. BTW, want to save energy? There's a great start, just think of what is required to get that many people, that fat.

I've answered your question now please answer mine. Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out? I have, dozens upon dozens of times.
Regarding obesity.......last I checked someone's obesity was not contagious and potentially fatal to others. That was not a good analogy at all, IMHO.

Picking up discarded masks and gloves? No, I would not do that. It is not my job. Someone should be responsible to clean up after the people who litter. But......good for you for cleaning up after those inconsiderate folks.I thank you.

[coffeebean]

:bigbow:...:bigbow:...:bigbow:


I have to honestly admit though...my mind is slowly being changed.

While I will still minimize my interaction with others, always wear a mask in public and think everyone should also do so, the anti-mask/anti-science faction...does have a point though.

If they want to thin their own herd, without endangering others...shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

Is there such a thing as "herd selection"? How would that work? Asking for a friend.

[coffeebean]

Deleted. Double post.

[coffeebean]

And I was agreeing. BTW, in a previous post I asked you the following.
'Would you go out of your way on a beach, parking lot, trail, in the ocean kayaking to pick up a mask, set of gloves that someone removed and threw out?'

It wasn't ColdNoMore that you asked that question. It was me, coffeebean. I have already replied to the question in a previous post.

[Dayeight99]

Then wear it everyday for the rest of your life because there’s always “something going around”. Seasonal flu, colds, etc. They’re all contagious. Please, never take it off or you’re a hypocrite.

[ALadysMom]

Robbie: you are awesome.
Great rant.

[ALadysMom]

Wearing a contaminated mask is detrimental to the wearer but is still very beneficial to others around the wearer. I know that sounds very selfish but it is true. It is very easy to keep a fabric mask not contaminated for the wearer. Just fold it up so the inside does not touch anything other than your nose and mouth. Do not touch the inside of the mask with your hands and do not allow any surface to brush against the inside of the mask. I fold my mask up in this safe manner and place it in a plastic snack bag and keep it in my purse. I do wash my cloth masks every time I do the laundry. This is so easy to do and keeps the mask wearer safe from contaminants other than their own droplets.

I appreciate your admission but there are more than just a few loopholes 😷 (get it? LOL) in your sanitization procedure. Sorry. Not touching the inside is a great attempt at cleanliness but the world is a huge microbial soup and your damp mask inside that plastic bag in Floridian heat is a growth vector for mold, bacteria and, yes, viruses. The chemical residues of soap, fabric softener, etc. from the laundry and the dyes, microfibers and other things from the fabric are being inhaled with every breath you take. There are good reasons why medical masks are sterile, made from specialty paper and single use/disposable.

Staying home is so relaxing by comparison.

[nututv]

Regarding obesity.......last I checked someone's obesity was not contagious and potentially fatal to others. That was not a good analogy at all, IMHO.
Picking up discarded masks and gloves? No, I would not do that. It is not my job. Someone should be responsible to clean up after the people who litter. But......good for you for cleaning up after those inconsiderate folks.I thank you.

Masks are to keep hospitals etc from being overwhelmed. I heard that here from a TOTV PHD/MD/BS lol. Remove 300,000 annually from ER's and hospitals in general and you've removed a major headache. And I agree it isn't contagious but have you ever seen a skinny kid who had obese parents? Some of the biggest kids I taught in scouts had mom's and dad's that were seriously wide. It runs in families. McDonald genes we called them.
Let's see, 40% of the population is obese. You don't think that to produce what is required to create and sustain all that doesn't create millions of tons of 'stuff' that's potentially fatal to others.

It's not my job! That is by far, the saddest thing I can remember reading. It sure the heck is, it's everyone's job. Do you have kids or grand kids? Better show them all the wildlife you can while you can. We're killing them with cruelty and pollution faster than the poor animals can multiply.
Then I guess it's my job. I've seen this first hand, it's repulsive.
This whale had more than 88 pounds of plastic in its stomach when it died (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/whale-dies-88-pounds-plastic-philippines/#:~:text=This%20whale%20was%20far%20from%20alone&text=In%202015%2C%20scientists%20estimated%20that, The%20cause%20of%20death%20varies).

Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. Maybe there are just too many of us and Mother Nature really is winning.

[ALadysMom]

Masks are to keep hospitals etc from being overwhelmed. I heard that here from a TOTV PHD/MD/BS lol. Remove 300,000 annually from ER's and hospitals in general and you've removed a major headache. And I agree it isn't contagious but have you ever seen a skinny kid who had obese parents? Some of the biggest kids I taught in scouts had mom's and dad's that were seriously wide. It runs in families. McDonald genes we called them.
Let's see, 40% of the population is obese. You don't think that to produce what is required to create and sustain all that doesn't create millions of tons of 'stuff' that's potentially fatal to others.

It's not my job! That is by far, the saddest thing I can remember reading. It sure the heck is, it's everyone's job. Do you have kids or grand kids? Better show them all the wildlife you can while you can. We're killing them with cruelty and pollution faster than the poor animals can multiply.
Then I guess it's my job. I've seen this first hand, it's repulsive.
This whale had more than 88 pounds of plastic in its stomach when it died (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/whale-dies-88-pounds-plastic-philippines/#:~:text=This%20whale%20was%20far%20from%20alone&text=In%202015%2C%20scientists%20estimated%20that, The%20cause%20of%20death%20varies).

Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. Maybe there are just too many of us and Mother Nature really is winning.

Wow. Just wow.

[sallybowron]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.
I was told that using a very thin layer of chiffon inside your mask will prevent the droplets from going through a mask.

[coffeebean]

I appreciate your admission but there are more than just a few loopholes 😷 (get it? LOL) in your sanitization procedure. Sorry. Not touching the inside is a great attempt at cleanliness but the world is a huge microbial soup and your damp mask inside that plastic bag in Floridian heat is a growth vector for mold, bacteria and, yes, viruses. The chemical residues of soap, fabric softener, etc. from the laundry and the dyes, microfibers and other things from the fabric are being inhaled with every breath you take. There are good reasons why medical masks are sterile, made from specialty paper and single use/disposable.

Staying home is so relaxing by comparison.

So far, I haven't harmed myself by wearing my cloth mask more than once. I will make sure that it is laundered frequently.

[coffeebean]

Then wear it everyday for the rest of your life because there’s always “something going around”. Seasonal flu, colds, etc. They’re all contagious. Please, never take it off or you’re a hypocrite.

Now that is just silly. Of course there will come a time when we can all take off our masks and feel safe from Covid-19. That time will come when there is a safe successful vaccine and/or there is a safe reliable effective treatment.

In the meantime, I'll continue to wear my mask indoors when social distancing is not guaranteed. Can't wait to go maskless all the time like the old days and not have to worry about this pesky virus out there.

[coffeebean]

Masks are to keep hospitals etc from being overwhelmed. I heard that here from a TOTV PHD/MD/BS lol. Remove 300,000 annually from ER's and hospitals in general and you've removed a major headache. And I agree it isn't contagious but have you ever seen a skinny kid who had obese parents? Some of the biggest kids I taught in scouts had mom's and dad's that were seriously wide. It runs in families. McDonald genes we called them.
Let's see, 40% of the population is obese. You don't think that to produce what is required to create and sustain all that doesn't create millions of tons of 'stuff' that's potentially fatal to others.

It's not my job! That is by far, the saddest thing I can remember reading. It sure the heck is, it's everyone's job. Do you have kids or grand kids? Better show them all the wildlife you can while you can. We're killing them with cruelty and pollution faster than the poor animals can multiply.
Then I guess it's my job. I've seen this first hand, it's repulsive.
This whale had more than 88 pounds of plastic in its stomach when it died (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/whale-dies-88-pounds-plastic-philippines/#:~:text=This%20whale%20was%20far%20from%20alone&text=In%202015%2C%20scientists%20estimated%20that, The%20cause%20of%20death%20varies).

Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. Maybe there are just too many of us and Mother Nature really is winning.
Sorry to disagree with you but, it isn't my job to pick up items that may be contaminated with the virus.

I have, however, prior to this coronavirus pandemic, walked around our neighborhood in NJ with a large trash bag and picked up all sorts of litter and never gave it a second thought. I enjoyed it in fact, especially how nice the area looked when we were done. My husband and I used to do that together. We always wore gloves when we did our "clean up trash" walks. Having said that, I'm not going to do that now in this time of a pandemic.

[coffeebean]

I was told that using a very thin layer of chiffon inside your mask will prevent the droplets from going through a mask.

I tested a single layer of a Bounty paper towel by spritzing it with water in front of my bathroom mirror. I've tried that "experiment" also using a single layer of T-shirt material. The mirror stayed absolutely dry. I purchased cloth masks online and did this same test. No droplets got through the double layer of fabric to the mirror. I feel pretty good that I'm keeping my droplets contained from anyone around me when I'm indoors and social distancing can not be guaranteed.

I don't think these masks protect me much at all but that is not the reason for wearing home made masks.

[Barefoot]

Masks are to keep hospitals etc from being overwhelmed ... Snipped .... Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. COVID is not a blessing in disguise.
How could you say that? Talk to the families of people who have died.

[Altavia]

I don't think these masks protect me much at all but that is not the reason for wearing home made masks.

I would not underestimate the level of protection, every little bit helps reduce risk..

There was a Missouri hair salon where the stylists and all of their clients wore face masks. Two hairstylists with coronavirus ended up not infecting any of their 140 clients.
One stylist treated 84 clients and the other worked with 56, and six co-workers were also exposed. Forty-six of them pursued testing and all tested negative, while the rest were quarantined for a 14-day period, according to the health department.

Additionally, there were no cases of coronavirus out of the more than 400 other people who were in the Great Clips location during the shifts by the two affected stylist.

Missouri Great Clips hairstylists with coronavirus did not infect 140 clients (https://www.today.com/health/missouri-great-clips-hairstylists-coronavirus-did-not-infect-140-clients-t183982)

[Altavia]

Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. Maybe there are just too many of us and Mother Nature really is winning.

Maybe people unwilling to help reduce the risks for others should not consume hospital resources if they become infected...

[ColdNoMore]

COVID is not a blessing in disguise.
How could you say that?
Talk to the families of people who have died.

I agree. :(

[nututv]

COVID is not a blessing in disguise.
How could you say that? Talk to the families of people who have died.

I'm a member of a family who has had someone pass away. From my newborn son 30 years ago to my 94 year old father last year. I myself have been on the brink twice.
If I had the choice of clearing out all mankind for the sake of all Mother Nature, we'd all be gone and she and her millions of species would thrive without our greedy and inconsiderate 1. Sorry, just my opinion.
'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' is an arbitrary assertion and a restatement of the baseless moral theory known as utilitarianism, which asserts that each individual should act to serve the greatest good for the greatest number.
Now back to the mask thread I guess.

[cleanwater]

Played Cane garden golf today. Had to pay inside. Sign on door says Masks are recommended. I wore mine. No one else did. I was especially unhappy none of the staff wore masks. TERRIBLE EXAMPLE to set. Where is the golf mgmt that allows their staff to flaunt their recommendations? When Covid arrives here again we’ll be hit hard if basic precautions are not used.

[nututv]

mgmt that allows their staff to flaunt their recommendations?
Because is a recommendation, not mandatory attire. If I had a choice, I wouldn't have been wearing one. If it bothered you that much, you should not have been there IMO.

[coffeebean]

I would not underestimate the level of protection, every little bit helps reduce risk..

There was a Missouri hair salon where the stylists and all of their clients wore face masks. Two hairstylists with coronavirus ended up not infecting any of their 140 clients.
One stylist treated 84 clients and the other worked with 56, and six co-workers were also exposed. Forty-six of them pursued testing and all tested negative, while the rest were quarantined for a 14-day period, according to the health department.

Additionally, there were no cases of coronavirus out of the more than 400 other people who were in the Great Clips location during the shifts by the two affected stylist.

Missouri Great Clips hairstylists with coronavirus did not infect 140 clients (https://www.today.com/health/missouri-great-clips-hairstylists-coronavirus-did-not-infect-140-clients-t183982)

This is certainly a plus for wearing home made masks. Watching those folks in Tulsa (waiting for the rally) being interviewed and they are saying they are not worried at all about getting the virus and they will not wear masks. These people honestly believe what they are saying. It baffles me how they can deny a story such as the one you posted. Masks do slow the spread of this virus but some folks out there will not believe the evidence.

[nututv]

Masks do slow the spread of this virus but some folks out there will not believe the evidence.
Maybe some folks are healthy enough they aren't worried if they get it or not? Like me.
My grandfather died of the flu in the late eighties. I don't recall seeing anyone wearing masks then.

[ALadysMom]

You bring up extremely valid points. I'm the first one to say I'm very disappointed in our current administration and the experts who told us all not to wear masks unless we were sick or caring for someone who was sick with Covid. That was wrong on every level and they have since come "clean" with their reasons for being deceitful to the American people. I don't buy their excuses, AT ALL.

Once we got the recommendation from the experts and the CDC that wearing masks can help slow the spread of this dreadful virus, the American people sprung into action. We were requested not to stockpile PPE that our health care professionals needed to care for our sick. So what did we do? Home made face coverings were being made at an accelerated rate. Mask instructional videos were exploding on YouTube. Americans answered the call just like it was a war effort.

We did the right thing and left the available PPE for the front line workers. We are covering our faces with our home made masks and I'm so proud of the effort put forth by those Americans who choose to help mitigate this virus. Now, I'm seeing masks everywhere in retail stores and pharmacies so they are now readily available to the public.......just like toilet paper. Thank goodness!

I share your pride & am grateful for your thoughtful reply.

[ALadysMom]

This is certainly a plus for wearing home made masks. Watching those folks in Tulsa (waiting for the rally) being interviewed and they are saying they are not worried at all about getting the virus and they will not wear masks. These people honestly believe what they are saying. It baffles me how they can deny a story such as the one you posted. Masks do slow the spread of this virus but some folks out there will not believe the evidence.

All of the people I have seen in OK are outside, socially distanced (from those they don’t live with) and are happily & bravely practicing their Constitutionally-protected rights.

The first Amendment doesn’t say “except when others think you shouldn’t” because there are always those who think you shouldn’t.

[nututv]

The first Amendment doesn’t say “except when others think you shouldn’t” because there are always those who think you shouldn’t.
It sure does. Just before the sentence about having guns in the next Amendment.

[ALadysMom]

When people talk, sing, sneeze, they often spit or spray and a mask will protect you from those droplets that can carry the virus. What is it about not wanting to wear a mask?

I’d be a lot happier if everyone would wear a brand new, sterile, single-use N-95 (or better) medical-grade mask since those have actual science & an engineered design.

[ALadysMom]

It sure does. Just before the sentence about having guns in the next Amendment.



First Amendment:

“Congress shall make no law
respecting

an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

[nututv]

First Amendment:
“Congress shall make no law
respecting
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
It was a joke. I've been preaching how the Constitution has been violated since this whole social experiment started.

[Byte1]

In 2018 (example) over 60,000 people died of the Flu in the U.S. What happened then? Walmart and some other stores offered handy wipes at the door to wipe the carts off. Anyone wear a mask now because of the flu?
I wear a mask when I go inside places of business ONLY for my spouse, or if there is a sign on the door. BUT, I only do it for my spouse because of her low immunity, diabetes and cancer survivor. Call me selfish if you wish, but I am not concerned about those that think that folks MUST wear protection for them when it is their choice as to mingle in public, not ours mandating their appearance. If someone does not wear a mask, I don't care. I wear one for my spouse, not for others. I never believed in a seat belt law either. I wear one, but I do not feel threatened if someone else does not. And I do not care if someone operates a motorcycle without a helmet. That is their choice, in a free country.
If you choose to wear a mask, fine because I do also. You are out of your mind if you think that you can insist that others wear a mask in public, when you have a choice as to being present or not. IF you think that those that don't wear a mask are being selfish, well.....I guess that is their right too. You cannot mandate charity, morals or common sense. If you do not like it that others are not agreeing with you, or not conforming to YOUR standards, that my friend is YOUR problem.

Argue all you wish as to what is best protection. I have a military gas mask at home that will trump your N95 all day long. I have a mask certified for lead paint removal that's better than your mask. So, if I say that my homemade cloth mask is good enough for me, then I guess you can say "I told you so" when I catch the virus. ANY protection is better than NO protection. But, if you want the ultimate protection, STAY HOME and quit worrying about what others are wearing.
Wars, plagues, fires, hurricanes and earthquakes are natures ways of thinning out the herd. I'm glad to see it working. Will I cry if someone I know dies of this? Of course, but I am not going to blame everyone that does not wear a mask. Living in the Villages, I fully expect to see a whole lot of neighbors and friends die before I go. Death is certain, no one gets out of this life alive.
When someone tells you that you are a fool for not wearing a mask, respond with "you're a fool for not pushing yourself away from the table before your limit" or "you're a fool for wearing that goofy outfit."
This is a FREE country, and you have the right to criticize me. Maybe 1/2% of criticism on the Internet MIGHT even be of value to me.
Wear or do not wear your mask. You are free to make your own choice. Wear a certified mask or wear a homemade mask. You are free to make your own choice. I care about my family. If you think I am selfish in my thinking, you may be right. You might find what I say offensive. I may find it funny. Maybe that is why I am a happier person than you.

[jebartle]

No they don’t. The virus is a microbe. If you can get air through a mask you can get the virus. It can penetrate the mask just as air can. Only useful in clinical environments to prevent hairs, spittle, etc, from entering an open wound or an open mouth.

The key here is you have to PUT IT ON YOUR FACE.

[nututv]

In 2018 (example) over 60,000 people died of the Flu in the U.S. What happened then? Walmart and some other stores offered handy wipes at the door to wipe the carts off. Anyone wear a mask now because of the flu?
I wear a mask when I go inside places of business ONLY for my spouse, or if there is a sign on the door. BUT, I only do it for my spouse because of her low immunity, diabetes and cancer survivor. Call me selfish if you wish, but I am not concerned about those that think that folks MUST wear protection for them when it is their choice as to mingle in public, not ours mandating their appearance. If someone does not wear a mask, I don't care. I wear one for my spouse, not for others. I never believed in a seat belt law either. I wear one, but I do not feel threatened if someone else does not. And I do not care if someone operates a motorcycle without a helmet. That is their choice, in a free country.
If you choose to wear a mask, fine because I do also. You are out of your mind if you think that you can insist that others wear a mask in public, when you have a choice as to being present or not. IF you think that those that don't wear a mask are being selfish, well.....I guess that is their right too. You cannot mandate charity, morals or common sense. If you do not like it that others are not agreeing with you, or not conforming to YOUR standards, that my friend is YOUR problem.

Argue all you wish as to what is best protection. I have a military gas mask at home that will trump your N95 all day long. I have a mask certified for lead paint removal that's better than your mask. So, if I say that my homemade cloth mask is good enough for me, then I guess you can say "I told you so" when I catch the virus. ANY protection is better than NO protection. But, if you want the ultimate protection, STAY HOME and quit worrying about what others are wearing.
Wars, plagues, fires, hurricanes and earthquakes are natures ways of thinning out the herd. I'm glad to see it working. Will I cry if someone I know dies of this? Of course, but I am not going to blame everyone that does not wear a mask. Living in the Villages, I fully expect to see a whole lot of neighbors and friends die before I go. Death is certain, no one gets out of this life alive.
When someone tells you that you are a fool for not wearing a mask, respond with "you're a fool for not pushing yourself away from the table before your limit" or "you're a fool for wearing that goofy outfit."
This is a FREE country, and you have the right to criticize me. Maybe 1/2% of criticism on the Internet MIGHT even be of value to me.
Wear or do not wear your mask. You are free to make your own choice. Wear a certified mask or wear a homemade mask. You are free to make your own choice. I care about my family. If you think I am selfish in my thinking, you may be right. You might find what I say offensive. I may find it funny. Maybe that is why I am a happier person than you.
I've been preaching the very same thing and have rcvd the PM's to prove it. lol I especially agree with your thinning the herd statement. This world of ours needs it badly!
Overweight people going out of their way at a store to tell me I should be wearing a mask for health reasons while there are 300,000 people dying here every year because they hadn't taken care of themselves for decades or more. It's a joke to me.

[ColdNoMore]

As long as it doesn't put others in danger, I have no problem with folks being allowed to kill themselves, or make themselves seriously ill...any way they choose.

With the emphasis on; "As long as it doesn't put others in danger..."

In fact...:D


:ho:

[Byte1]

Seems to me that it is not the folks that are not wearing a mask at fault for putting someone in danger, but those that fear the maskless folks that persist to put THEMSELVES in jeopardy by mingling with them. It is not my fault if folks decide to put themselves in harms way. That's like stepping into traffic and blaming a car for hitting them. They caused it, not the driver.

[theruizs]

Seems to me that it is not the folks that are not wearing a mask at fault for putting someone in danger, but those that fear the maskless folks that persist to put THEMSELVES in jeopardy by mingling with them. It is not my fault if folks decide to put themselves in harms way. That's like stepping into traffic and blaming a car for hitting them. They caused it, not the driver.

I realize you are just saying that to get a rise out of people. But a more realistic analogy is that those not wearing masks are like people shooting guns in public and then blaming the people they hit for walking in front of their bullets.

[Barefoot]

Seems to me that it is not the folks that are not wearing a mask at fault for putting someone in danger, but those that fear the maskless folks that persist to put THEMSELVES in jeopardy by mingling with them. It is not my fault if folks decide to put themselves in harms way. That's like stepping into traffic and blaming a car for hitting them. They caused it, not the driver.

I realize you are just saying that to get a rise out of people. But a more realistic analogy is that those not wearing masks are like people shooting guns in public and then blaming the people they hit for walking in front of their bullets.:agree: with theruizs.

[ColdNoMore]

Seems to me that it is not the folks that are not wearing a mask at fault for putting someone in danger, but those that fear the maskless folks that persist to put THEMSELVES in jeopardy by mingling with them. It is not my fault if folks decide to put themselves in harms way. That's like stepping into traffic and blaming a car for hitting them. They caused it, not the driver.

Your analogy...is silly. :oops:

I certainly avoid maskless people as much as I can, but I still need to buy groceries, pay for my golf, etc...where I have no choice but to "mingle" with idiots.

One doesn't have to...run out into traffic.

How about simply making areas where you can't avoid close to other people...'mask zones?'

Just like hospitals, doctor's offices, Etc., Etc,

I promise, that you're not losing your freedom/liberty and what won't be next is..."THEY'LL be coming for your guns." :ohdear:

[Byte1]

I will reiterate and make it simple to understand. Folks that fear those that do not wear masks should NOT be shopping, etc. where they might be subjected to maskless subjects going about their lives. It is not law, and it is NOT anyone's responsibility for your safety but yourself. Sunday, my spouse and I accompanied my brother and his spouse to a restaurant for dinner. The best I could do under the circumstances was to make sure that my spouse was not seated near anyone else but our dinner party. This was OUR choice. It was not up to us to shame anyone else in the restaurant for not wearing a mask. We all decided to be there and we took our chances. If anyone suggests that I was being careless toward the safety of the other diners because we did not wear a mask, then I suggest that they should not lower their immunity system by stressing themselves out. If you do not want to be around those that do not wear masks, then don't go out. You cannot make anyone wear a mask so why bother attempting to force them by shaming them into wearing the masks? Like I said, I shop while wearing a mask. I do it for my spouse, not me. I do not care if you wear a mask or not. Just don't cough on me or I am liable to get ticked off. Demanding others to wear a mask is being kind of arrogant, in my opinion. And to suggest that I don't care about my fellow citizen, just means that you do not know me.
I think the traffic analogy was a fair one. Stepping out into traffic and getting hit is YOUR problem not the driver's fault. The one about shooting does not fit. To make it correlate to the analogy, one should say something like "if you go to a shooting range and walk out in front of the shooter and get shot, it is not their fault for your ignorance to your own safety.
So, if you don't want to be around folks that are not safety conscious (maskless) then don't put yourself in harms way. PERIOD.

[vermonster]

They do. They don’t. YIKES.

I had a visual which clearly represented the situation in a clear and logical way. Since I cannot duplicate the visual part exactly, I will summarize the message. There are 3 situations depicted.

1. Carrier w/o mask to healthy contact w/mask: probability of transmission = 70%
2. Carrier w/mask to healthy contact w/o mask: probability of transmission = 5%
3. Carrier w/mask to healthy contact w/mask: probability of transmission = 1.5%

Conclusion: It is best when both parties wear a mask; it is best to stay away from anyone not wearing a mask. This is particularly true in this county (Sumter) which has the highest median age in the country.

[theruizs]

I will reiterate and make it simple to understand. Folks that fear those that do not wear masks should NOT be shopping, etc. where they might be subjected to maskless subjects going about their lives. It is not law, and it is NOT anyone's responsibility for your safety but yourself. Sunday, my spouse and I accompanied my brother and his spouse to a restaurant for dinner. The best I could do under the circumstances was to make sure that my spouse was not seated near anyone else but our dinner party. This was OUR choice. It was not up to us to shame anyone else in the restaurant for not wearing a mask. We all decided to be there and we took our chances. If anyone suggests that I was being careless toward the safety of the other diners because we did not wear a mask, then I suggest that they should not lower their immunity system by stressing themselves out. If you do not want to be around those that do not wear masks, then don't go out. You cannot make anyone wear a mask so why bother attempting to force them by shaming them into wearing the masks? Like I said, I shop while wearing a mask. I do it for my spouse, not me. I do not care if you wear a mask or not. Just don't cough on me or I am liable to get ticked off. Demanding others to wear a mask is being kind of arrogant, in my opinion. And to suggest that I don't care about my fellow citizen, just means that you do not know me.
I think the traffic analogy was a fair one. Stepping out into traffic and getting hit is YOUR problem not the driver's fault. The one about shooting does not fit. To make it correlate to the analogy, one should say something like "if you go to a shooting range and walk out in front of the shooter and get shot, it is not their fault for your ignorance to your own safety.
So, if you don't want to be around folks that are not safety conscious (maskless) then don't put yourself in harms way. PERIOD.

No finer expression of the selfish me-first position.

[John_W]

I was in Barnes & Nobles at LSL yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon and the place had a decent amount of people shopping. There was about ten people waiting in line to pay when I suddenly heard a woman in line started yelling at another woman a few feet away who was browsing, "Get Away From Me, you don't have a Mask". Then everyone in line starting saying yelling at the woman without the mask and then her husband came over, who didn't have a mask and he started yelling back. Then three employees came over and we had about 20 people all yelling, I was waiting for the cops to come, but it finally ended when the employees gave the couple masks and they put them on.

[ffresh]

Science constantly builds on its base of knowledge. Hypothesis proven, begets new hypothesis, thus expanding the frontier of knowledge. Science is as close as you get to mathematics, which is as close as you get to absolute, irrefutable knowledge.

And science is LOADED with "agenda-driven research", begetting "agenda-driven results", where some work backwards from the result that is desired, to achieve that result. You would be naïve to think otherwise. Most "scientific" research is done by scientists who are financially underwritten by government or large corporations, i.e. those with an agenda. There are countless examples to prove this! As with most things associated with government, they're either corrupt or inefficient or both and, almost always, Unconstitutional - another irrefutable fact :ohdear:

Fred

[17362]

They help if you are wearing on and you sneeze and/or cough. Just like washing your hands often.
It’s a tool to use for your own protection, just like washing. I personally don’t want to be a carrier and spread it to others. I would at least like to lessen the impact of my self being transferring any germs. Yes. There are still germs! Nothing man made is 100%!!
But it is a tool like so many others that a person could use. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
The point is to lessen the chances for everyone, not a me- me -me mentality.
Again, nothing man made has ever been 100%.

[nututv]

1. Carrier w/o mask to healthy contact w/mask: probability of transmission = 70%
2. Carrier w/mask to healthy contact w/o mask: probability of transmission = 5%
3. Carrier w/mask to healthy contact w/mask: probability of transmission = 1.5%

All random numbers drawn out of a hat. We know nothing about the flu yet. Maybe next year this time.

[ffresh]

There does not seem to be a point for this message to be posted on a discussion about masks.

I don't think you are "grasping" what is being inferred by the poster's quotes :icon_wink:

Fred

[ffresh]

No, that is not correct. Once there is an effective vaccine or an effective treatment for Covid, mask wearing will probably be a thing of the past. We are in the middle of a pandemic and must deal with this "new" normal as best we can and we need to do what is right. Mask wearing is just one method to mitigate this virus.

We all hope to be back to the real normal eventually. So.......no we will not have to wear masks every day forever.

Good luck with that one (unless you believe everything Bill Gates tells you). You're more likely to get a nanochip from the vaccine than immunity :icon_wink:

Fred

[nututv]

"Once there is an effective vaccine or an effective treatment for Covid"

Like the HIV cure that's been around for decades. lol Covid spreads by direct contact. So does HIV. Condoms are still sold by the millions/billions not only to prevent kids you know.

[Michael Charles]

I was at the Sharon Morse center with my wife this morning (she had an appointment) I sat outside for about an hour and a half half just enjoying the outside fresh air (for the most part). I observed many people going in and coming out of the center. A sign posted on the door stating "masks are requested" I'm pleased to report that almost everyone had a mask on. I'm pleased to know that so many people have the respect for OTHER people that they wore masks. I'm probably not a carrier (no symptoms and have practiced SD for over 3 months now) but I wear a mask just in case, because I respect your health and well being. I wish others would respect my health and well being in the same manner.

[vermonster]

I am in total agreement. Please everybody, follow the CDC guidelines and stay safe.

[Chitown]

As of this morning July 1, 2020 the state of Florida is reporting 145,000 cases of coronavirus. 3400 deaths. Do the math that is hovering just above above 2%. The annual flu kills 60,000 people a year in the United States approximately 1% die of influenza every year so this Caronavirus’ death rate is going lower and lower every day. As for myself I have no intentions of wearing a mask. I will honor social distancing I will not come near you, hug you or kiss you or blow in your direction, or shake your hand. If you feel that you want to live in a cocoon and not go to restaurants, if you want to look ridiculous and wear your mask while you’re driving around by yourself in your car with your air-conditioning on you go right ahead as far as I am concerned I am going to live my life normally and if I was to get this virus I am very confident that I will be one of the 98% that will fully recover from it. Years from now they’re going to look back at this and realize how absolutely ridiculous the reaction was to this Virus. Throughout history there has been outbreaks of viruses never have Americans ever reacted like this before.

[theruizs]

As of this morning July 1, 2020 the state of Florida is reporting 145,000 cases of coronavirus. 3400 deaths. Do the math that is hovering just above above 2%. The annual flu kills 60,000 people a year in the United States approximately 1% die of influenza every year so this Caronavirus’ death rate is going lower and lower every day. As for myself I have no intentions of wearing a mask. I will honor social distancing I will not come near you, hug you or kiss you or blow in your direction, or shake your hand. If you feel that you want to live in a cocoon and not go to restaurants, if you want to look ridiculous and wear your mask while you’re driving around by yourself in your car with your air-conditioning on you go right ahead as far as I am concerned I am going to live my life normally and if I was to get this virus I am very confident that I will be one of the 98% that will fully recover from it. Years from now they’re going to look back at this and realize how absolutely ridiculous the reaction was to this Virus. Throughout history there has been outbreaks of viruses never have Americans ever reacted like this before.
Actually, one day you will realize that your actions were selfish and just another me-first approach to life. Unfortunately, there is a lot of that in this country these days.

[Boomer]

I was in Barnes & Nobles at LSL yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon and the place had a decent amount of people shopping. There was about ten people waiting in line to pay when I suddenly heard a woman in line started yelling at another woman a few feet away who was browsing, "Get Away From Me, you don't have a Mask". Then everyone in line starting saying yelling at the woman without the mask and then her husband came over, who didn't have a mask and he started yelling back. Then three employees came over and we had about 20 people all yelling, I was waiting for the cops to come, but it finally ended when the employees gave the couple masks and they put them on.


Can you imagine if the scene you describe had been recorded and was out all over the world, like the last infamous TV encounter, now seen by millions.

By the way, Meta Minton was interviewed a couple of days ago on “All Things Considered.” If you Google Meta Minton and NPR, you will find the transcript, along with a 3-minute listen. The interviewer asks her also about how TV is handling the virus.