New Branding for Aunt Jemima

[coffeebean]

What? I can not believe what I just read. This can't be happening..........

After 130 Years, Aunt Jemima Will Vanish From Packaging | Georgia Public Broadcasting (https://www.gpbnews.org/post/after-130-years-aunt-jemima-will-vanish-packaging)

[Kenswing]

I would imagine that Uncle Ben's days are numbered too.. :ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

The stupidity is not ending.

[alwann]

Why does this surprise you?

I think The Onion faux news site saw it for what it is. Here's a slice of that report:

"In response to nationwide protests regarding police brutality and racial discrimination, food conglomerate Quaker Oats announced Friday that after 130 years, it would replace its historically racist Aunt Jemima mascot with a black female lawyer who enjoys pancakes from time to time. “The time has come to replace Jemima, a problematic and stereotypical character that originated in minstrel shows, with Sheila, the public defender of cultivated tastes who eats pancakes on occasion, in addition to a variety of other foods,”

[Two Bills]

The world is going Qwackers!

[ColdNoMore]

From relocating statues and monuments of traitorous, racist losers... to the removal of denigrating racial stereotypes?


PLUS...appropriate apologies?


What a great start! :thumbup:

[Stu from NYC]

Hopefully people stop buying the new brand and they have no choice but to reinstate Aunt Jemima.

BTW I am not happy with Uncle Ben can we start a protest against his rice?

[alwann]

The parent company says they are considering changes. Perhaps the new face of rice will be Uncle Fester.

[CWGUY]

I would imagine that Uncle Ben's days are numbered too.. :ohdear:

:shrug: If they change it to Uncle Sam's..... I'll still buy it. It does make one wonder what some brands will be changed to...... How about "Fruit Loops" ? I think the "San Francisco treat" is taken already. :rolleyes:

[fdpaq0580]

From relocating statues and monuments of traitorous, racist losers... to the removal of denigrating racial stereotypes?


PLUS...appropriate apologies?


What a great start! :thumbup:

Dear CNM,
I think we may be on the same side of the bigger issue here, but our points of reference might be a little different.
First, I agree that statues are more useful in a museum setting where they provide a means of exploring our history, both the good and bad along with the context of the times.
Stereotypes is where we have a hiccup. To me, stereotypes are caricatures. No, they are not generally flattering, but those caricatures are often used buy comedians of various ethnic groups to tease that group that they themselves represent. It forces us, whatever color, religion, etc to look at ourselves in a less threatening way.
As to Aunt Jamima and Uncle Ben, They were around when I was a small child with no understanding of race. To me, they were good people providing good food for my family and me. Because of where I lived and how I was raised it is hard to recognize them as "bad". But, apparently, someone does.
For example, when you see a spider or snake are you revolted, or are you interested in the beautiful colors and patterns on its body? Does the fact that the spider can spin a beautiful web of fine silk that is stronger than steel interest or excite your curiosity, or do you find it "gross"? My point is that it is not always easy, or even possible, to understand why some people think or feel the way they do. To "walk a mile in another mans shoes" sounds good but is not often possible.
Let's continue the conversation in hopes of finding some common ground to build on.

[Joe V.]

Hopefully people stop buying the new brand and they have no choice but to reinstate Aunt Jemima.

BTW I am not happy with Uncle Ben can we start a protest against his rice?


That crap is a heart attack in a bottle.

[davem4616]

It appears that retail better get busy and come up with a catchy new name for 'Black Friday'...ya can stick a fork in that one....

[ColdNoMore]

Dear CNM,
I think we may be on the same side of the bigger issue here, but our points of reference might be a little different.
First, I agree that statues are more useful in a museum setting where they provide a means of exploring our history, both the good and bad along with the context of the times.
Stereotypes is where we have a hiccup. To me, stereotypes are caricatures. No, they are not generally flattering, but those caricatures are often used buy comedians of various ethnic groups to tease that group that they themselves represent. It forces us, whatever color, religion, etc to look at ourselves in a less threatening way.
As to Aunt Jamima and Uncle Ben, They were around when I was a small child with no understanding of race. To me, they were good people providing good food for my family and me. Because of where I lived and how I was raised it is hard to recognize them as "bad". But, apparently, someone does.
For example, when you see a spider or snake are you revolted, or are you interested in the beautiful colors and patterns on its body? Does the fact that the spider can spin a beautiful web of fine silk that is stronger than steel interest or excite your curiosity, or do you find it "gross"? My point is that it is not always easy, or even possible, to understand why some people think or feel the way they do.

To "walk a mile in another mans shoes" sounds good but is not often possible.

Let's continue the conversation in hopes of finding some common ground to build on.

First of all, I want to say that I appreciate the vein and tone (or at least my interpretation of it) in your response. :thumbup:

I do however, disagree on one major point you've made.

That being..."To walk a mile in another mans shoes, sounds good but is not often possible."

While I, of course, agree in the literal sense...I disagree in a general sense.

Where I believe we diverge, is in that as reasonable people, we can/should at least make an effort...to think about what it would be like in someone else's shoes.

I also firmly believe, that if more people would just try and make that effort...our divided world would close measurably.

Seeing things through other people's eyes, allows us to view those items/issues that WE maybe don't believe should be such a big deal...why they ARE a big deal to others.

While the history or connotations aren't even in the same universe, much less category, I think we can agree that a box of 'saltine/white crackers' that showed a stereotype of a poor white person (with raggedy clothes/confederate flag/a trailer/truck on blocks/cig hanging from lips)...would be offensive to a lot of people.

And rightfully so. :shrug:

Again, I thank you for your thoughtful/respectful post and the desire...to find some common ground to work from. :ho:

[nututv]

It'll never end. The cat's out of the bag and no one will be able to put it back in.

[ColdNoMore]

It'll never end. The cat's out of the bag and no one will be able to put it back in.

Hopefully! :thumbup:


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[Stu from NYC]

That crap is a heart attack in a bottle.

Which one???

[manaboutown]

What about Eskimo Pies and Rastus on the Cream of Wheat box?

These 5 Racist Food Brands Still Stock Our Shelves (https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/racist-food-brands-still-stock-our-shelves)

[skyking]

I always looked at Aunt Jemima as sort of a grandmother figure. Nothing racial.

[dewilson58]

Tooth Fairy is at risk.

[GoodLife]

Tooth Fairy is at risk.

What about "The Colonel" That white cracker image of his means he probably owned slaves. :icon_wink:

[Chi-Town]

The Native American butter maiden is gone from the Land O' Lakes packaging.

[mamamia54]

The whole world is going nuts! My grandson can’t enjoy paw patrol anymore either. Apparently, it’s a hero cop and I guess children growing up these days can’t look at cops as heroes. Powers that be would rather have them thought of as the enemy. It’s just ridiculous.

[kcrazorbackfan]

It appears that retail better get busy and come up with a catchy new name for 'Black Friday'...ya can stick a fork in that one....

Hahahahahahaha!

[DeanFL]

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She's next - offensive!!! Person of color, plus as per the label she's thick (obese), and rich (the 1%) SHE MUST GO!!!
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[Freehiker]

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She's next - offensive!!! Person of color, plus as per the label she's thick (obese), and rich (the 1%) SHE MUST GO!!!
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They’ve already announced she is going away, as is Uncle Ben’s.

[Stu from NYC]

So ridiculous. Who would ever think of any of these figures as having any racial component at all.

[John41]

goodbye Colonel Sanders

[davem4616]

goodbye Colonel Sanders


ya but...he really wasn't a Colonel...he gave himself that title

he should be safe (hoping...as he has the best cole slaw EVER)

[davem4616]

What about Eskimo Pies and Rastus on the Cream of Wheat box?

These 5 Racist Food Brands Still Stock Our Shelves (https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/racist-food-brands-still-stock-our-shelves)

I fear that they are gone too....these are crazy times that we are in
Zealots every where and folks ready to pounce upon us if we don't
seem to align with their warped viewpoints

[Stu from NYC]

All this talk about food has me craving some soul food, chitlins, collard greens and corn pone before they get renamed.

Somebody will say those names are racist for sure.

Wondering what the new name for watermelon will be?

[davem4616]

The Native American butter maiden is gone from the Land O' Lakes packaging.

no!!!

we switched to Kerry Gold, so haven't been paying attention to that brand

That was the high price spread when I was growing up....

Sad

I wonder how many streets and cities will be renamed

[anothersteve]

It amazes me that none of this bothered anyone before. Overnight crap. I don't think blacks are as offended by this as much as us white folk. Hence my post "Dear White People" (look it up and understand)
Steve

[ColdNoMore]

It amazes me that none of this bothered anyone before. Overnight crap. I don't think blacks are as offended by this as much as us white folk. Hence my post "Dear White People" (look it up and understand)
Steve

Wrong.

The fight to eliminate racist, bigoted, prejudiced and denigrating stereotypes...has been going on a long time.

It's just recently that a younger generation, less prejudiced than their elders and outrage by decent people/companies/organizations who heretofore just stood on the sidelines, but have now have had their eyes opened by recent events...which is making the difference in attitudes. :thumbup:

Mascots and Logos (click here) (http://www.businessinsider.com/15-racist-brand-mascots-and-logos-2014-6#funny-face-drink-mix-1964-1965-11)

12 racist brands, mascots, and logos that were considered just another part of American life.

[Northwoods]

Then we better get rid of Betty Crocker. I see they've erased any "photo" of her on their website, but I don't care. It stereotypes women as housewives. "The little woman." I want the name Betty Crocker GONE!!!!
Oh... and while we're at it... let's go after Sara Lee too. Another example of stereotyping women as housewives.

[graciegirl]

Wrong.

The fight to eliminate racist, bigoted, prejudiced and denigrating stereotypes...has been going on a long time.

It's just recently that a younger generation less prejudiced than their elders and outrage by those people/companies/organizations who heretofore just stood on the sidelines...have had their eyes opened by recent events.

Mascots and Logos (click here) (http://www.businessinsider.com/15-racist-brand-mascots-and-logos-2014-6#funny-face-drink-mix-1964-1965-11)

You know, sometimes I think people are just throwing the baby out with the bath water. It appears to me that the young people, now that they don't go to church any more are trying to start a new religion with rules and standards of their own mostly to do with what things are called. I wait to see what is next weeks word of derision toward the ordinary folks. I have heard so much about Virtue signaling and systemic racism recently.

Most of us really do not want to offend anyone, but I think also most of us are tired of being criticized when we have done nothing wrong. What do the young people who write the opinion for the MSM want from us? This forum consists of probably better than 99% law abiding people. We don't harm people. We don't steal from them. We pay our bills. We don't buy what we can't afford. I am really tired of hearing we are the bad guys.

[tophcfa]

That crap is a heart attack in a bottle.

True, but only if the diabetes doesn’t kill you first. I wouldn’t even put that garbage in a bird feeder.

[ColdNoMore]

How dare younger people, many successful professionals...care about equal justice and treatment for everyone?


What in the heck are they thinking, don't they even realize..."this is the way it's always been done?" :oops:


I think I recall reading the same things being said...during Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movement. :ohdear:


Or was that right before...the dinosaurs became extinct?


I can't really remember...because I'm getting too old. :D

[anothersteve]

How dare younger people, many successful professionals...care about equal justice and treatment for everyone?


What in the heck are they thinking, don't they even realize..."this is the way it's always been done?" :oops:


I think I recall reading the same things being said...during Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movement. :ohdear:


Or was that right before...the dinosaurs became extinct?


I can't really remember...because I'm getting too old. :D

...

[manaboutown]

Then we better get rid of Betty Crocker. I see they've erased any "photo" of her on their website, but I don't care. It stereotypes women as housewives. "The little woman." I want the name Betty Crocker GONE!!!!
Oh... and while we're at it... let's go after Sara Lee too. Another example of stereotyping women as housewives.

And Marie Callender, Ruth Chris and Lydia Pinkham.

What about Old Mother Hubbard, the wicked witch in Hansel and Gretel, Tinkerbell, Peter Pan and Little Black Sambo (who was a South Indian, not an African)?

[manaboutown]

And what about the Smith Brothers? Stereotypical white males with magnificent beards!

or Mr. Clean, Turtle Wax, Janitor in a Drum or Bon Ami?

[graciegirl]

How dare younger people, many successful professionals...care about equal justice and treatment for everyone?


What in the heck are they thinking, don't they even realize..."this is the way it's always been done?" :oops:


I think I recall reading the same things being said...during Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movement. :ohdear:


Or was that right before...the dinosaurs became extinct?


I can't really remember...because I'm getting too old. :D

Because young people, newer to this world than older people are filled with all kinds of wonderful ideas that they think can fix everything. They often think that the answer lies with new words and new rules and the human race being more aware of inequalities and unkindness. As they get older and observe the world longer, many begin to see that the answer lies within themselves and the individual responsibility of each of us and that we cannot legislate morality or march and congregate to make people be kind to each other.

And some people will never be kind to others. Their heartbreak and anger has nothing to do with social justice.

[Stu from NYC]

Because young people, newer to this world than older people are filled with all kinds of wonderful ideas that they think can fix everything. They often think that the answer lies with new words and new rules and the human race being more aware of inequalities and unkindness. As they get older and observe the world longer, many begin to see that the answer lies within themselves and the individual responsibility of each of us and that we cannot legislate morality or march and congregate to make people be kind to each other.

And some people will never be kind to others. Their heartbreak and anger has nothing to do with social justice.

Mrs Smith was the worlds best baker of pies but was a make believe stereotype white lady. She would be replaced by some minority to give some other make believe stereotype a job.

[ColdNoMore]

Let's all hope, for our society's betterment, we never lose those people who think..."they can fix everything."

We will always desperately need those folks.

Without that attitude and their actions...nothing would have ever changed for the better. :ohdear:

And a lot of people appear kind on the surface, use it as a costume, give lip service to wanting justice and equality, but they really only want that for their own 'tribe'...and they're obsessions, ugliness, anger and vitriol runs just below the surface.

May those shouting voices and their actions striving for equality, justice, peace and niceness...never be squelched by mean-spirited/passive-aggressive folks. :thumbup:

[davem4616]

Because young people, newer to this world than older people are filled with all kinds of wonderful ideas that they think can fix everything. They often think that the answer lies with new words and new rules and the human race being more aware of inequalities and unkindness. As they get older and observe the world longer, many begin to see that the answer lies within themselves and the individual responsibility of each of us and that we cannot legislate morality or march and congregate to make people be kind to each other.

And some people will never be kind to others. Their heartbreak and anger has nothing to do with social justice.


well put

a college degree doesn't mean one suddenly has wisdom...all it means is that they tested well

[GoodLife]

A brief history of Aunt Jemima

Nancy Green was born into slavery in 1834 in Montgomery County, Kentucky. In 1889 the creators of Aunt Jemima, Charles Rutt and Charles Underwood, sold the company to R.T Davis, who soon found Nancy Green in Chicago. The previous owners had already agreed upon her ‘look’ of a bandana and apron. Davis combined the Aunt Jemima look with a catchy tune from the Vaudeville circuit to make the Aunt Jemima brand.

Green’s identity was first uncovered at the Worlds’ Columbian Exposition in 1893. There were so many people interested in the Aunt Jemima exhibit, police were called for crowd control. Green served pancakes to thousands of people. People loved her warm personality and friendly demeanor, not to mention her cooking. Green was given an award for showmanship at the exposition.

As a result of her dedication, Aunt Jemima received 50,000 orders for pancake mix. Not only did flour sales soar, but Green received a lifetime contract to serve as spokesperson. She was a living legend of the brand until she died in a car accident in September 1923.

After Green’s passing, the owner of Aunt Jemima, R.T. Davis, experienced financial issues and the brand was sold to Quaker Oats two years later.

As for the image of Aunt Jemima, Nancy Green was followed by Anna Robinson, whose image was changed to a painted portrait on the packaging of the mix. Next was Chicago blues singer and actress Edith Wilson. She was the first Aunt Jemima to appear in television commercials.

After Wilson there was Ethel Ernestine Harper, a former school teacher and actress. The fourth Aunt Jemima was Rosie Hall who was an advertising employee at Quaker Oats until she discovered their need for a new Aunt Jemima. After she died, Hall’s grave was declared a historical landmark.

Next, there was Aylene Lewis. She made her first appearance of Aunt Jemima in 1955 at the Aunt Jemima restaurant at Disneyland. The last woman known to appear as Aunt Jemima publicly was Ann Short Harrington. Harrington would make television appearances as the brand spokesperson in the New York area.

So looks like 7 black ladies "played" Aunt Jemima over the years and were paid for it.

This must be racist, giving black ladies jobs they were perfectly happy to perfom.

[JoMar]

Let's all hope, for our society's betterment, we never lose those people who think..."they can fix everything."

We will always desperately need those folks.

Without that attitude and their actions...nothing would have ever changed for the better. :ohdear:

And a lot of people appear kind on the surface, use it as a costume, give lip service to wanting justice and equality, but they really only want that for their own 'tribe'...and they're obsessions, ugliness, anger and vitriol runs just below the surface.

May those shouting voices and their actions striving for equality, justice, peace and niceness...never be squelched by mean-spirited/passive-aggressive folks. :thumbup:

Which is why I doubt this will ever change. Those shouting voices and actions only accept equality, justice peace and niceness on their terms and won't listen or accept compromise or alternatives. There are significant numbers of other minorities who will see that to be heard they should follow the BLM model. Riots, burning your neigborhoods, importing those that are paid to instigate is not the answer. Fortunately, there are protestors out their doing it the right way and understand how to make change peacefully. I doubt they will be heard either.

[ColdNoMore]

Which is why I doubt this will ever change. Those shouting voices and actions only accept equality, justice peace and niceness on their terms and won't listen or accept compromise or alternatives. There are significant numbers of other minorities who will see that to be heard they should follow the BLM model. Riots, burning your neigborhoods, importing those that are paid to instigate is not the answer. Fortunately, there are protestors out their doing it the right way and understand how to make change peacefully. I doubt they will be heard either.

I disagree with the highlighted portion above and also believe, that your misunderstanding of what the "BLM Model"actually is...just adds to the divide. :ohdear:

The VAST majority of those who support the BLM movement, like myself (and many other, much higher profile folks)...are NOT the ones fomenting violence/looting/burning.

Is there a small % of the BLM movement, that are violent and want to express their anger by violence/looting/arson? Of course there are.

There are also those who want everyone to hate the Black Lives Matter movement and who do their best to try and blame BLM...for ALL of the violence.

As far as "importing those that are paid," it's been proved by a number of arrests that white supremacist groups have infiltrated some of these peaceful protests, for the sole purpose of giving the real BLM Model...a bad name and turn people against them.

Which feeds right into the manipulation of those who prefer to paint with a broad brush and just listen to certain people (many who only have hate and anger toward blacks)...rather than research or investigate on their own.

[Stu from NYC]

A brief history of Aunt Jemima

Nancy Green was born into slavery in 1834 in Montgomery County, Kentucky. In 1889 the creators of Aunt Jemima, Charles Rutt and Charles Underwood, sold the company to R.T Davis, who soon found Nancy Green in Chicago. The previous owners had already agreed upon her ‘look’ of a bandana and apron. Davis combined the Aunt Jemima look with a catchy tune from the Vaudeville circuit to make the Aunt Jemima brand.

Green’s identity was first uncovered at the Worlds’ Columbian Exposition in 1893. There were so many people interested in the Aunt Jemima exhibit, police were called for crowd control. Green served pancakes to thousands of people. People loved her warm personality and friendly demeanor, not to mention her cooking. Green was given an award for showmanship at the exposition.

As a result of her dedication, Aunt Jemima received 50,000 orders for pancake mix. Not only did flour sales soar, but Green received a lifetime contract to serve as spokesperson. She was a living legend of the brand until she died in a car accident in September 1923.

After Green’s passing, the owner of Aunt Jemima, R.T. Davis, experienced financial issues and the brand was sold to Quaker Oats two years later.

As for the image of Aunt Jemima, Nancy Green was followed by Anna Robinson, whose image was changed to a painted portrait on the packaging of the mix. Next was Chicago blues singer and actress Edith Wilson. She was the first Aunt Jemima to appear in television commercials.

After Wilson there was Ethel Ernestine Harper, a former school teacher and actress. The fourth Aunt Jemima was Rosie Hall who was an advertising employee at Quaker Oats until she discovered their need for a new Aunt Jemima. After she died, Hall’s grave was declared a historical landmark.

Next, there was Aylene Lewis. She made her first appearance of Aunt Jemima in 1955 at the Aunt Jemima restaurant at Disneyland. The last woman known to appear as Aunt Jemima publicly was Ann Short Harrington. Harrington would make television appearances as the brand spokesperson in the New York area.

So looks like 7 black ladies "played" Aunt Jemima over the years and were paid for it.

This must be racist, giving black ladies jobs they were perfectly happy to perfom.

And not to mention probably paid very well.

[fdpaq0580]

I am so sad and disillusioned. I grew up thinking people of different backgrounds were slowly erasing the lines that separated us, that we were healing the wounds of the past and making progress in society and our understanding and acceptance and appreciation of each other.
I see people of all colors achieving great things and becoming wealthy and prosperous. I see mixed marriages, groups of diverse backgrounds working and playing together. I see doctors, lawyers, business people, scientists, teachers and more sharing in the American dream. Oprah Winfrey, Neil Degrass-Tyson, Byron Allen and countless others who have worked and achieved so very much. Was it all a facade? Is it simply a dream?
Evolutionary, climate, geologic change happens slowly. Society and cultures generally do the same. Certainly there are occasional upheavals and they leave great wounds and scars. Some scars never go away. But the scars can be ignored and relegated to the past. They need not define us or continue to cause us pain. If we focus on the scars we relive the pain. If we focus on the future, the pain of the past will fade away and we can get on with the business of living together in harmony.
Now, the big question. Can we do it? I think we can. I think we must. It won't be quick or easy, but let's give it a try, shall we?

[anothersteve]

A brief history of Aunt Jemima

Nancy Green was born into slavery in 1834 in Montgomery County, Kentucky. In 1889 the creators of Aunt Jemima, Charles Rutt and Charles Underwood, sold the company to R.T Davis, who soon found Nancy Green in Chicago. The previous owners had already agreed upon her ‘look’ of a bandana and apron. Davis combined the Aunt Jemima look with a catchy tune from the Vaudeville circuit to make the Aunt Jemima brand.

Green’s identity was first uncovered at the Worlds’ Columbian Exposition in 1893. There were so many people interested in the Aunt Jemima exhibit, police were called for crowd control. Green served pancakes to thousands of people. People loved her warm personality and friendly demeanor, not to mention her cooking. Green was given an award for showmanship at the exposition.

As a result of her dedication, Aunt Jemima received 50,000 orders for pancake mix. Not only did flour sales soar, but Green received a lifetime contract to serve as spokesperson. She was a living legend of the brand until she died in a car accident in September 1923.

After Green’s passing, the owner of Aunt Jemima, R.T. Davis, experienced financial issues and the brand was sold to Quaker Oats two years later.

As for the image of Aunt Jemima, Nancy Green was followed by Anna Robinson, whose image was changed to a painted portrait on the packaging of the mix. Next was Chicago blues singer and actress Edith Wilson. She was the first Aunt Jemima to appear in television commercials.

After Wilson there was Ethel Ernestine Harper, a former school teacher and actress. The fourth Aunt Jemima was Rosie Hall who was an advertising employee at Quaker Oats until she discovered their need for a new Aunt Jemima. After she died, Hall’s grave was declared a historical landmark.

Next, there was Aylene Lewis. She made her first appearance of Aunt Jemima in 1955 at the Aunt Jemima restaurant at Disneyland. The last woman known to appear as Aunt Jemima publicly was Ann Short Harrington. Harrington would make television appearances as the brand spokesperson in the New York area.

So looks like 7 black ladies "played" Aunt Jemima over the years and were paid for it.

This must be racist, giving black ladies jobs they were perfectly happy to perfom.


Interesting, thanks. Every day's a learning experience.
Steve

[Steve9930]

So lets get rid of a Icon of success. I think people should read a little history before they condemn it. How utterly short sighted.

[Boomer]

The Native American butter maiden is gone from the Land O' Lakes packaging.

Hey, Chi,

About the butter maiden — I want to ask you a question:

You have been around here for almost as long as I have, and I have always assumed that you are a guy. If you are, indeed, a guy, that means that you were once a 5th grade boy.

If so, and now that you have mentioned the famous butter maiden, I am wondering if you and your 5th grade buddies ever got an empty Land O’ Lakes butter box and folded that picture so that her knees moved up to where they appeared to be another part of her anatomy. If you did that, you know what I mean.

(In 1957 The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard was published. It’s about the secrets of advertising — what makes people want what is being sold. Subliminal messages were outed as a big part of the advertising game. Sooooo — about those knees — could that have been subliminal messaging that sold a whole lot of butter. :) )

Boomer

[Stu from NYC]

Hey, Chi,

About the butter maiden — I want to ask you a question:

You have been around here for almost as long as I have, and I have always assumed that you are a guy. If you are, indeed, a guy, that means that you were once a 5th grade boy.

If so, and now that you have mentioned the famous butter maiden, I am wondering if you and your 5th grade buddies ever got an empty Land O’ Lakes butter box and folded that picture so that her knees moved up to where they appeared to be another part of her anatomy. If you did that, you know what I mean.

(In 1957 The Hidden Persuaders” by Vance Packard was published. It’s about the secrets of advertising — what makes people want what is being sold. Subliminal messages were outed as a big part of the advertising game. Sooooo — about those knees — could that have been subliminal messaging that sold a whole lot of butter. :) )

Boomer

Wow in the fifth grade could have cared less. Now when I got to 7th grade ........

[coffeebean]

They’ve already announced she is going away, as is Uncle Ben’s.

Really? Mrs. Butterworth is going away? I always thought she was a grandma image. I also have never of her as person of color.

[Kenswing]

And next week we'll have to listen to the complaints that African Americans are under represented in food advertising..

Looks like Cream of Wheat might be getting a redesign too..

I think people are finding things to be offended by just so they can show us how "woke" they are. Then tell us what horrible people we are for not seeing it decades ago..

[ALadysMom]

A brief history of Aunt Jemima

Nancy Green was born into slavery in 1834 in Montgomery County, Kentucky. In 1889 the creators of Aunt Jemima, Charles Rutt and Charles Underwood, sold the company to R.T Davis, who soon found Nancy Green in Chicago. The previous owners had already agreed upon her ‘look’ of a bandana and apron. Davis combined the Aunt Jemima look with a catchy tune from the Vaudeville circuit to make the Aunt Jemima brand.

Green’s identity was first uncovered at the Worlds’ Columbian Exposition in 1893. There were so many people interested in the Aunt Jemima exhibit, police were called for crowd control. Green served pancakes to thousands of people. People loved her warm personality and friendly demeanor, not to mention her cooking. Green was given an award for showmanship at the exposition.

As a result of her dedication, Aunt Jemima received 50,000 orders for pancake mix. Not only did flour sales soar, but Green received a lifetime contract to serve as spokesperson. She was a living legend of the brand until she died in a car accident in September 1923.

After Green’s passing, the owner of Aunt Jemima, R.T. Davis, experienced financial issues and the brand was sold to Quaker Oats two years later.

As for the image of Aunt Jemima, Nancy Green was followed by Anna Robinson, whose image was changed to a painted portrait on the packaging of the mix. Next was Chicago blues singer and actress Edith Wilson. She was the first Aunt Jemima to appear in television commercials.

After Wilson there was Ethel Ernestine Harper, a former school teacher and actress. The fourth Aunt Jemima was Rosie Hall who was an advertising employee at Quaker Oats until she discovered their need for a new Aunt Jemima. After she died, Hall’s grave was declared a historical landmark.

Next, there was Aylene Lewis. She made her first appearance of Aunt Jemima in 1955 at the Aunt Jemima restaurant at Disneyland. The last woman known to appear as Aunt Jemima publicly was Ann Short Harrington. Harrington would make television appearances as the brand spokesperson in the New York area.

So looks like 7 black ladies "played" Aunt Jemima over the years and were paid for it.

This must be racist, giving black ladies jobs they were perfectly happy to perfom.

Clearly the brand should have always been called “Aunt Nancy’s.” Thanks for posting this. Enjoyed reading it.

[ALadysMom]

Wrong.

The fight to eliminate racist, bigoted, prejudiced and denigrating stereotypes...has been going on a long time.

It's just recently that a younger generation, less prejudiced than their elders and outrage by decent people/companies/organizations who heretofore just stood on the sidelines, but have now have had their eyes opened by recent events...which is making the difference in attitudes. :thumbup:

Mascots and Logos (click here) (http://www.businessinsider.com/15-racist-brand-mascots-and-logos-2014-6#funny-face-drink-mix-1964-1965-11)

When the changes they want are over, they won’t need those if you who brought them to the dance any more. They won’t have any allegiance to pledge to you either. You don’t see the forest for the trees, so to speak.

[Spikearoni]

What about Eskimo Pies and Rastus on the Cream of Wheat box?

These 5 Racist Food Brands Still Stock Our Shelves (https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/racist-food-brands-still-stock-our-shelves)

Thank you for posting this link. The short article was very interesting. I hope TOTV folks see it. This discussion on Aunt Jemima et al is reminiscent of the debates regarding how Native Americans are depicted in sports such as Chief Wahoo and the Cleveland Indians or the Tomahawk chop. Some folks have no issue with these portrayals while others find them demeaning.

[Fishers2tall]

You know, sometimes I think people are just throwing the baby out with the bath water. It appears to me that the young people, now that they don't go to church any more are trying to start a new religion with rules and standards of their own mostly to do with what things are called. I wait to see what is next weeks word of derision toward the ordinary folks. I have heard so much about Virtue signaling and systemic racism recently.

Most of us really do not want to offend anyone, but I think also most of us are tired of being criticized when we have done nothing wrong. What do the young people who write the opinion for the MSM want from us? This forum consists of probably better than 99% law abiding people. We don't harm people. We don't steal from them. We pay our bills. We don't buy what we can't afford. I am really tired of hearing we are the bad guys.

Well said Gracie. One of the best posts of the year. :bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[JimJohnson]

A new Procter & Gamble commercial urges white Americans to protest racial injustice by marching, speaking out and voting. Great sentiment and way past time. I salute Procter & Gamble.

[evluoma]

It appears that retail better get busy and come up with a catchy new name for 'Black Friday'...ya can stick a fork in that one....

They could rename black friday good friday since there are good sales, oops already taken....how about Friday the 13th, nope too scary, .....maybe protest friday, nope looting is free...i am out of ideas:bigbow::bigbow:

[ColdNoMore]

A new Procter & Gamble commercial urges white Americans to protest racial injustice by marching, speaking out and voting. Great sentiment and way past time. I salute Procter & Gamble.

Good for them. :thumbup:

While I know it will happen anyway, why in the world would anyone be against and be angry...about equal justice for all races? :oops:



And for anyone wondering, yes...that was actually a rhetorical question.

[FredJacobs]

Hopefully people stop buying the new brand and they have no choice but to reinstate Aunt Jemima.

BTW I am not happy with Uncle Ben can we start a protest against his rice?
The companies have already announced that Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth will retire before the year is out.

[Stu from NYC]

The companies have already announced that Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben and Mrs. Butterworth will retire before the year is out.

So ridiculous, the people who have been the "Aunt Jemima" over the years have no problem with it.

Dress her up make her the mom with kids running her household taking care of her family before heading to her office.

What in the world is wrong with that?

[camaguey48]

What? I can not believe what I just read. This can't be happening..........

After 130 Years, Aunt Jemima Will Vanish From Packaging | Georgia Public Broadcasting (https://www.gpbnews.org/post/after-130-years-aunt-jemima-will-vanish-packaging)
I suppose Black Friday is next. If a company is showing a profit, it means that they are in the black. Is that racist? It seems that no one wants to offend a particular group for fear of repercussions. The pandering by corporate America and the national so-called "leaders" is beyond ridiculous and laughable. It is insanity and totalitarian in its purest form. God bless our great nation.

[fdpaq0580]

So ridiculous, the people who have been the "Aunt Jemima" over the years have no problem with it.

Dress her up make her the mom with kids running her household taking care of her family before heading to her office.

What in the world is wrong with that?

Sorry, Stu. IMO, there is nothing wrong with it. I stated in another post that, as a child unaware of "race", Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and other product reps were people that we liked and trusted to provide us with good food we liked. We weren't taught that there was anything wrong with them or that we should look down on them. Sadly, some folks were and others are offended. So, we will lose symbols that were not intended to be icons of ideology, but somebody was told it was, so it must be so.
I believe in equality and equal opportunity and equal rights and equal protection under the law. The shaming, guilt tripping and finger pointing has become counter productive in many areas and will go to ridiculous extremes. Example, is Yogi Bear a racist symbol? NO! But, someone looking for a fight will be sure to point out that he is brown and a thief of pic-a-nic baskets and therefore a racial insult resulting in the labeling of all cartoonists as racists. The ridiculousness goes on and the division gets wider. It is nuts. We all need a hug but can't get one because of covid.
Stay well. Stay safe. Peace!

[oldtimes]

Sorry, Stu. IMO, there is nothing wrong with it. I stated in another post that, as a child unaware of "race", Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and other product reps were people that we liked and trusted to provide us with good food we liked. We weren't taught that there was anything wrong with them or that we should look down on them. Sadly, some folks were and others are offended. So, we will lose symbols that were not intended to be icons of ideology, but somebody was told it was, so it must be so.
I believe in equality and equal opportunity and equal rights and equal protection under the law. The shaming, guilt tripping and finger pointing has become counter productive in many areas and will go to ridiculous extremes. Example, is Yogi Bear a racist symbol? NO! But, someone looking for a fight will be sure to point out that he is brown and a thief of pic-a-nic baskets and therefore a racial insult resulting in the labeling of all cartoonists as racists. The ridiculousness goes on and the division gets wider. It is nuts. We all need a hug but can't get one because of covid.
Stay well. Stay safe. Peace!

I agree when I was growing up I just thought they were good cooks.

[Bay Kid]

Didn't Aunt Jemima come up with recipe?

[Stu from NYC]

Didn't Aunt Jemima come up with recipe?

Her name is on the package so she must have.

[GoodLife]

Didn't Aunt Jemima come up with recipe?

Don't know for sure, doesn't matter anyway. George Clooney does not design Nespresso products

[BostonRich]

They are coming after Splash Mountain too. I am sure Walt Disney said something once that infers he was a racist. Probably have to tear the whole park down or at least rename it.

[karostay]

What next pave our federally funded highways shades of grey so as not to offend anyone.....

[Stu from NYC]

What next pave our federally funded highways shades of grey so as not to offend anyone.....

Luckily for me I invented a clear shade of asphalt so I will be cleaning up.

Willing to sell some share of stock in my new company at a great discount.:bigbow:

[Kenswing]

Seattle actually started this nonsense years ago by trying to ban the term "Brown bag" lunch. lol

There'''s more to Seattle '''brown bag''' racial controversy than meets the eye (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/theres-more-seattle-brown-bag-racial-controversy-meets-eye-flna6C10836263)

A Seattle official who advised that city spokesmen avoid the term "brown bag" as racially offensive has defended his position in the face of national ridicule over what critics called political correctness run amok.

Elliott Bronstein, chief spokesman for the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, advised the city's public information officers to avoid the phrase and use terms like "sack lunch" or "lunch-and-learn," according to a memo first reported Wednesday by seattlepi.com.

[Stu from NYC]

So in other words we should ban everything with the names brown or black or red or yellow.

Clear will be the new in color as it will probably not offend anyone

[Two Bills]

So my younger brother is now 'the sheep of color in the family?'

[karostay]

What about Rolling Stones song see red red door want to paint it black Guess that's next on the list.

Remove all white lines on the highways

Tired of it Tired of it

[Stu from NYC]

So my younger brother is now 'the sheep of color in the family?'

Better not say color cause they might think you mean something different than you are saying.

Soon the thought police will be out among us.

[retiredguy123]

I think that giving in to these symbolic requests or demands doesn't improve anything. It only makes the racism problem worse.

[Stu from NYC]

I think that giving in to these symbolic requests or demands doesn't improve anything. It only makes the racism problem worse.

I do agree with you

[jacksonbrown]

I went to Publix today and y'all should've seen all the commotion.

Aunt Jemima, Mrs. Butterworth, and Uncle Ben were protesting.

Texas Pete and Capt. Morgan were getting drunk

Little Debbie was working the corner, and Jimmy Dean was showing everybody his sausage.

[Fredman]

Dear CNM,
I think we may be on the same side of the bigger issue here, but our points of reference might be a little different.
First, I agree that statues are more useful in a museum setting where they provide a means of exploring our history, both the good and bad along with the context of the times.
Stereotypes is where we have a hiccup. To me, stereotypes are caricatures. No, they are not generally flattering, but those caricatures are often used buy comedians of various ethnic groups to tease that group that they themselves represent. It forces us, whatever color, religion, etc to look at ourselves in a less threatening way.
As to Aunt Jamima and Uncle Ben, They were around when I was a small child with no understanding of race. To me, they were good people providing good food for my family and me. Because of where I lived and how I was raised it is hard to recognize them as "bad". But, apparently, someone does.
For example, when you see a spider or snake are you revolted, or are you interested in the beautiful colors and patterns on its body? Does the fact that the spider can spin a beautiful web of fine silk that is stronger than steel interest or excite your curiosity, or do you find it "gross"? My point is that it is not always easy, or even possible, to understand why some people think or feel the way they do. To "walk a mile in another mans shoes" sounds good but is not often possible.
Let's continue the conversation in hopes of finding some common ground to build on.

There is no common ground when it involves BLM if they don’t get their way Or they protest or tear down historical monuments

[Fredman]

Good for them. :thumbup:

While I know it will happen anyway, why in the world would anyone be against and be angry...about equal justice for all races? :oops:



And for anyone wondering, yes...that was actually a rhetorical question.

When will P&G rename ivory soap

[valuemkt]

Burn All The Books ! Print some more money to pay reparations to make up for the "sins" of our founders and corporate oppressors .. Fire the police ! Then play John Lennon's song Give Peace a Chance, or is their a more appropriate 2020 version of it ..

[Fredman]

Will ivory soap be next

[Chi-Town]

Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

[Stu from NYC]

Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

Yikes that is so sexist

[manaboutown]

Bye,Bye, Miss Eskimo Pie

George Jones - Eskimo Pie - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTO1dMcheUI)

[manaboutown]

Great-grandson of Syracuse’s Aunt Jemima angry at her removal: ‘This is an injustice’ - syracuse.com (https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/06/great-grandson-of-syracuses-aunt-jemima-angry-at-her-removal-this-is-an-injustice.html)

[Barborv]

I guess they will have to put a stop to Charles Dickens Christmas Carol which depicts the character of Scrooge or Fagen from Oliver Twist, with his big nose. Dickens was known for his Anti-Semitisim !

WHAT NEXT.

[Bay Kid]

They all need pacifiers. Everything bothers the most spoiled generation ever. If everything wasn't given to them they might go to work.

[BostonRich]

What about Rolling Stones song see red red door want to paint it black Guess that's next on the list.
Tired of it Tired of it

"and the colored girls go . . . Do-do-do, do-do, do-do-do . . .
Lou Reed

[Stu from NYC]

"and the colored girls go . . . Do-do-do, do-do, do-do-do . . .
Lou Reed

Bet no radio station will ever have the nerve to play that again.

[manaboutown]

And what about Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Will that be played over the Christmas Holidays?

[fdpaq0580]

There is no common ground when it involves BLM if they don’t get their way Or they protest or tear down historical monuments

This is just my opinion. In my experience it seems that most folks like to broaden their horizons. They like to experience new foods, cultures, sights, sounds, etc. But, there are some that are uncomfortable or even afraid to leave their comfort zone, and I feel sorry for those people. I have been lucky enough to travel quite a bit in my life, seen quite a bit of the world and everywhere I have been I have found people to be generally friendly. I don't think our problems are as much about race, but about ideology and education (or lack of education). While travelling around the US, I have met nice folks who have never been out of their state or, in some cases, even their county, yet they will proudly proclaim the US is the best country in the world. While I agree with them, I ask myself "how can they be so certain". Like a child that hates spinach, but has never tasted it.
Your post mentions BLM. There are many groups that have many agendas and often the expressed agenda is not the true agenda. Hate groups use"the race card" because they know it is a very effective and decisive tool. However, if we are going to advance peacefully and positively into a better world, the truly sincere leaders of our communities must find common ground and expose the hate groups for what they truly are.

[dewilson58]

The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:

[ALadysMom]

They all need pacifiers. Everything bothers the most spoiled generation ever. If everything wasn't given to them they might go to work.

Yeah. When the OK city bombing happened, some of questions that came to mind were never answered. Many of these troublemakers seem to be of the same ilk. How do they get money to “invest?” My family has always struggled to pay our bills and our youthful time was consumed with getting education, working, paying taxes, raising kids, etc. But the haters have seem to have unlimited time, money and energy to invest. There are obvious inconsistencies since they show up in pre-printed tshirts with their group’s messaging, have professionally printed signs and brochures, have coordinated where & when to be, and have paid travel costs & many times they have taken group transportation to get there. If they are there long enough, they must eat, use the bathroom, and sleep.

As yourself this: if YOU wanted to do what they are doing, what would that take? How would you do it? Could you do it alone? Would you do that for FREE?

I think something more is enabling them & our authorities should address that to put an abrupt halt to future problems. Shut down their benefactor.

[LynneH]

I think it is helpful to remind people that commercial brands are a reflection of the history of a culture, but regularly evolve with the market. Companies may be voicing concern about racial justice this past week, but the bottom line (pun intended) is that they will be targeted and lose market share if those brands remain out of tune with the sensibilities of their market.

[Stu from NYC]

And what about Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Will that be played over the Christmas Holidays?

So Rudolph must be a member of the communist party. Never thought he was a member.

[eyc234]

The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:

:popcorn: So true, have wondered how that is not racist for years???????

[ALadysMom]

So Rudolph must be a member of the communist party. Never thought he was a member.

Rudolf was apparently tagged a long time ago since many years ago my child’s public school told the kindergarten’s room mothers we could not decorate reindeer cookies red M & Ms as noses but any other color would be fine. They explained that red would look too Christian, like Rudolf. I laughed hysterically at that & told them Rudolf is just about as Christian as the Easter Bunny is. They stood firm in their decision but also went on to teach the Dreidel game, the Kwanza Song and several other things because they wanted to be “inclusionary.” I didn’t mind the other cultures & religions being introduced but I did mind that only the mainstream cultural traditions & the Christian religion were excluded.

[Kenswing]

The movie White Chicks.


:popcorn:
Then there's White Men Can't Jump.. :coolsmiley:

White Men Can't Jump (1992) - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105812/)

[ALadysMom]

I think it is helpful to remind people that commercial brands are a reflection of the history of a culture, but regularly evolve with the market. Companies may be voicing concern about racial justice this past week, but the bottom line (pun intended) is that they will be targeted and lose market share if those brands remain out of tune with the sensibilities of their market.

In these cases, the prices will rise because of rising costs caused by rebranding and demand will fall because of the loss of customer loyalty which will predictably lead to product, if not corporate, failure.

[Dahabs]

I always looked at Aunt Jemima as sort of a grandmother figure. Nothing racial.

You might of been in the minority with that view.

[Stu from NYC]

You might of been in the minority with that view.

I sure never looked down at Aunt Jemima and do not understand why she needs to go.

[Stu from NYC]

Rudolf was apparently tagged a long time ago since many years ago my child’s public school told the kindergarten’s room mothers we could not decorate reindeer cookies red M & Ms as noses but any other color would be fine. They explained that red would look too Christian, like Rudolf. I laughed hysterically at that & told them Rudolf is just about as Christian as the Easter Bunny is. They stood firm in their decision but also went on to teach the Dreidel game, the Kwanza Song and several other things because they wanted to be “inclusionary.” I didn’t mind the other cultures & religions being introduced but I did mind that only the mainstream cultural traditions & the Christian religion were excluded.

Do not recognize the world we live in anymore. Poor Santa will be flying away to never never land any day now

[Scorpyo]

Many of the posts on TOTV seems to come from very disgruntled folks. Therefore, we need to get rid of that "Friendliest Town" moniker. Maybe change it to "Crankiest Town". :coolsmiley:

[ALadysMom]

Who are the Woke complainers?

They undoubtedly have a lot of baggage in their own personal & family history too. Being hypocritical has been a very consistent theme in the recent troubles.

the BLM protesters should be very angry at the leftist anarchist rioters who have hidden inside & usurped their protests. There’s some overlap but there seems to be two very different groups operating at the same events. The anarchists are using the BLM protesters as cover to hide behind so the police cannot address them without potentially harming BLM. It’s a shame BLM doesn’t act against this to protect their protesters. The police have shown great restraint but that could all change at any time.

[ALadysMom]

I sure never looked down at Aunt Jemima and do not understand why she needs to go.

Agreed. I love her sticky sweetness. It reminds me of home & my Grandma. Genuine comfort food. As a young girl, I imagined that she developed a really tasty recipe so it was named in honor of her. She even got a bottle in her likeness!

These folks want to exercise mind control as if it’s possible to stop racist thoughts if no imagery is available to trigger the thought but they are ignoring reality and personal responsibility.

Some folks may have been triggered to learn more about the history of the brand which might even have ‘spread’ (Pun intended) to learning more about American history in general.

Have you ever heard of Madame C. J. Walker? If not, there’s a lot to know about her. She was one of America’s first black female millionaire entrepreneurs. Successful black female entrepreneurs actually existed but these woke PC enforcers seem to believe they were all only folklore. Isn’t that hypocritically racist?

[ALadysMom]

When will P&G rename ivory soap

The whole group of foods called Crackers would need rebranding too.

[Stu from NYC]

Agreed. I love her sticky sweetness. It reminds me of home & my Grandma. Genuine comfort food. As a young girl, I imagined that she developed a really tasty recipe so it was named in honor of her. She even got a bottle in her likeness!

These folks want to exercise mind control as if it’s possible to stop racist thoughts if no imagery is available to trigger the thought but they are ignoring reality and personal responsibility.

Some folks may have been triggered to learn more about the history of the brand which might even have ‘spread’ (Pun intended) to learning more about American history in general.

Have you ever heard of Madame C. J. Walker? If not, there’s a lot to know about her. She was one of America’s first black female millionaire entrepreneurs. Successful black female entrepreneurs actually existed but these woke PC enforcers seem to believe they were all only folklore. Isn’t that hypocritically racist?

Bothers me that nobody talks about the progress we have made over the years. Not perfect but we are much better society than say 100 years ago.

They should have updated Aunt Jemima into a woman taking care of her family and than off to work at a high paying job.

Unfortunately the wrong people have become the leaders of the Blacks in our country. So many have become successful those are the ones who should inspire everyone, not the Sharptons of the world who are only out for themselves.

[ALadysMom]

Their stated goal is to dismantle American government and its corporations. They say they want to change America into a socialist country. Believe them.

[Stu from NYC]

Their stated goal is to dismantle American government and its corporations. They say they want to change America into a socialist country. Believe them.

I do believe them but do not understand why govt on so many levels are letting them destroy our history.

[TooColdNJ]

What? I can not believe what I just read. This can't be happening..........

After 130 Years, Aunt Jemima Will Vanish From Packaging | Georgia Public Broadcasting (https://www.gpbnews.org/post/after-130-years-aunt-jemima-will-vanish-packaging)

What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.

[TooColdNJ]

...

[TooColdNJ]

....

[coffeebean]

Hubby just heard the female singing group, The Dixie Chicks, are dropping the "Dixie" in their group name. What is going to happen to the type of music called Dixie Land? This is truly getting out of hand.

I abhor these people that are protesting and causing this Cancel Culture movement. Do away with every last one of them. Cancel those b@$%^&^s.

[ALadysMom]

What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.

Just an educated guess :)
...public school teacher?

Your broad generalizations (stereotyping) of Christianity are very biased, bigoted and incorrect. Churches are places of worship where people feel the support, fellowship & love of others. The belief that God is everywhere doesn’t replace the benefits of a church. They complement each other. Being part of a Christian group does not mean we should be demeaned by those who uphold all protesters as though they are above reproach. Politics and protesting are being held up as if they are a valid replacement for religion.

Rallies & protests are an attempt to show solidarity with larger group of others who share one’s own views in order to force the system to change.

Those who attend BLM protests are having their influence usurped by the thugs who riot, loot & destroy. If BLM has any decency they would work to stop the bad actors who are using their protests as cover from the police. BLM is allowing the protesters to be put at risk so apparently their protesters lives don’t matter very much at all.

[Stu from NYC]

Hubby just heard the female singing group, The Dixie Chicks, are dropping the "Dixie" in their group name. What is going to happen to the type of music called Dixie Land? This is truly getting out of hand.

I abhor these people that are protesting and causing this Cancel Culture movement. Do away with every last one of them. Cancel those b@$%^&^s.

Didnt know they were still around. Didnt care for them before and now dont care about them even less.

[ColdNoMore]

What is so hard to believe? As children these characters never meant anything to many of us, and the older versions of these products are nothing more than reminiscent of the comforts of (my) childhood.

These companies that have used charicatures of minorities and stereotyping to sell their products or name roads or facilities after, have continued to profit from the racism that we still see after all these years. Kudos to the ones who are finally realizing and making changes!

It’s about time that people stop being shed in a negative light because of their differences. Change is difficult for many of us, Many people, young and old, have been raised to see no difference in race, color, or nationality—have been against it or more sensitive to The fact that minorities have been the impetus of ridicule, racism, and stereotyping through all generations to right where we are now.

As much as people resist these changes, you are amongst the many who just can’t believe it. There lies the problem...
We laugh along with everyone else when we hear stereotypical Jewish, Polish, Asian, Irish, Indian, and Italian jokes, no matter who tells them, but they ARE offensive to many who won’t even admit it because they don’t want to be perceived as different from what has become the norm... because they already are!

Many more people use their intelligence and insight to recognize that positive changes can create an environment that can someday do away with referring to and dislike of people’s differences, and instead see them as nothing more than fellow human beings. They’ve finally jumped on the bandwagon to DO SOMETHING to promote change. Why such resistance? Because you don’t believe that this has been going on, and you’ve turned a blind eye to it.

In response to someone who brought up the fact that young people aren’t even going to church anymore...
With no disrespect to church-goers and older people that are set in their ways and perceive the Bible as a manual for being good Christians, but the manual has some flaws or typos.

Young people today reject some of the teachings and are more spiritual. Their lives changed from when they were children learning how to become good Christians, to now being capable of making a difference in the world because of their own choices, especially regarding organized religion of any kind. You don’t have to go to a house of worship if God is everywhere, providing that you believe in him. Obvious in these forums, and right here in the Villages, church-going DOES NOT always promote good Christians (or any religion). In fact, the Bible is the exact reference that clearly are the roots of Antisemitism that still exists— it started as a result of the those teachings in the Bible where Jewish people were portrayed as “cheap,” amongst other things. (they’re not not as cheap or cheaper than many Villagers). This stereotype originated thousands of years ago, is recorded as a biblical event that has perpetuated this anti-semitism amongst some of the church-going, God-loving, good Christians. There are two versions of “the truth”: the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The negative portrayal of minorities through religion and history, along with the media that continued it for many years, perpetuated what we‘re still seeing now in 2020.

Let statues rest in historical museums, not destroy them OR allow them to remain in full view as reminders of their ancestors who suffered at the hands of others for so long. Today’s and future generations shouldn’t have to still fight for the equality that they deserve. Everyone doesn’t have the ability, opportunity, or a break that comes along to pull themselves out of poverty due to circumstances beyond their control.

Rallies and protests, although there are bad apples in every bunch, are trying to change people’s views.. Being intimidated by police in full riot gear, and the senseless deaths have just magnified the racism in this country.


Well written, well stated and an all-around...excellent post. :thumbup:

[Bucco]

I said what?!

I don't recall writing any of that...better look again.

Proof please? :oops:

Seems to be an epidemic of that stuff on here recently. Had words put in my mouth as well.

Don't think it was by the same person

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

They are coming after Splash Mountain too. I am sure Walt Disney said something once that infers he was a racist. Probably have to tear the whole park down or at least rename it.

There's a great explanation of this from this long-bearded southern-accented redneck guy.

You can see it here: Let's talk about Splash Mountain and Princess and the Frog.... - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7qe-4ODI4&feature=youtu.be)

So far I've disagreed only occasionally with his ideas and thoughts about things.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Seems to be an epidemic of that stuff on here recently. Had words put in my mouth as well.

Don't think it was by the same person

It wasn't by the same person. But it'd really help if people learned how to multi-quote and how to correctly quote. There's an actual multi-quote button you can use to quote someone who is quoting someone else. That can clear up a LOT of misunderstandings on this forum.

I don't know why it isn't used more often.

[ColdNoMore]

Seems to be an epidemic of that stuff on here recently. Had words put in my mouth as well.

Don't think it was by the same person

It wasn't by the same person. But it'd really help if people learned how to multi-quote and how to correctly quote. There's an actual multi-quote button you can use to quote someone who is quoting someone else. That can clear up a LOT of misunderstandings on this forum.

I don't know why it isn't used more often.


YEP...to both of ya. :thumbup:

[Bay Kid]

What will be the new name for Winn-Dixie?

[Neils]

First of all, I want to say that I appreciate the vein and tone (or at least my interpretation of it) in your response. :thumbup:

I do however, disagree on one major point you've made.

That being..."To walk a mile in another mans shoes, sounds good but is not often possible."

While I, of course, agree in the literal sense...I disagree in a general sense.

Where I believe we diverge, is in that as reasonable people, we can/should at least make an effort...to think about what it would be like in someone else's shoes.

I also firmly believe, that if more people would just try and make that effort...our divided world would close measurably.

Seeing things through other people's eyes, allows us to view those items/issues that WE maybe don't believe should be such a big deal...why they ARE a big deal to others.

While the history or connotations aren't even in the same universe, much less category, I think we can agree that a box of 'saltine/white crackers' that showed a stereotype of a poor white person (with raggedy clothes/confederate flag/a trailer/truck on blocks/cig hanging from lips)...would be offensive to a lot of people.

And rightfully so. :shrug:

Again, I thank you for your thoughtful/respectful post and the desire...to find some common ground to work from. :ho:
Bye bye Cracker Barrel

[coffeebean]

I am NOT on board with all this new branding. This has gone too far............

L'''Oreal to remove the word '''whitening''' from its products | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/world/loreal-remove-word-whitening-products)

[Stu from NYC]

On a very happy note saw Aunt Jemima this morning at Walmart and she looked very happy sitting on the shelves knowing her pancake flour and syrup would be making a lot of people very happy.

[Tweety Bird]

Lolololol

[Kenswing]

The whole group of foods called Crackers would need rebranding too.
I'm sure White Castle will need to be "rebranded" also.. It'll never end..

[Stu from NYC]

I'm sure White Castle will need to be "rebranded" also.. It'll never end..

We could call it the multiracial castle or the castle that everyone is invited to so that noone feels excluded.

[tophcfa]

New brand, Ain't your Mama.

[TexaninVA]

What? I can not believe what I just read. This can't be happening..........

After 130 Years, Aunt Jemima Will Vanish From Packaging | Georgia Public Broadcasting (https://www.gpbnews.org/post/after-130-years-aunt-jemima-will-vanish-packaging)

Since they just destroyed their brand, I'm guessing their sales will decrease significantly.

Go woke, go broke.

[Stu from NYC]

Since they just destroyed their brand, I'm guessing their sales will decrease significantly.

Go woke, go broke.

Could be their sales have been decreasing so this is an effort to sell more stuff while appealing to the mob.