Florida sets new single-day record.

[ColdNoMore]

But not in a good way. :(


Click Here (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/16/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-cases-adding-2783/)

Florida sets new single-day record for coronavirus cases, adding 2,783.

Florida set a new record for single-day coronavirus cases, with 2,783 infections recorded Tuesday. That brings the state to more than 80,000 cases since the pandemic began locally more than three months ago.

The state also added 55 deaths, bringing the total to 3,085. Hospitalizations of residents and non-residents increased by 191 people.



While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

But not in a good way. :(


Click Here (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/16/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-cases-adding-2783/)




While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:


Did you read this morning's article from Europe that says genetics may have much to play in some people who have more serious cases, such as having type A blood? I know that some say that more people get it in poor areas and blame lack of good health care but it could be connected to genetics.

[GoodLife]

But not in a good way. :(


Click Here (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/16/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-cases-adding-2783/)




While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

[ColdNoMore]

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses. :oops:

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.

[ColdNoMore]

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

Despite wishful thinking and until actual proof otherwise, which is impossible if you're not making much of an effort to do 'contact tracing' :oops: I'm going with this...instead of just an opinion.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)

In statistics, the phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.[1][2]

The idea that "correlation implies causation" is an example of a questionable-cause logical fallacy, in which two events occurring together are taken to have established a cause-and-effect relationship.

This fallacy is also known by the Latin phrase cum hoc ergo propter hoc ("with this, therefore because of this").

:ho:

[Stu from NYC]

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

Thanks for sharing this appreciate it.

[GoodLife]

Despite wishful thinking and until actual proof otherwise, which is impossible if you're not making much of an effort to do 'contact tracing' :oops: I'm going with this...instead of just an opinion.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation)



:ho:

Correlation can mean causation sometimes, sometimes not. You have to look at the data and all the variables involved. We know covid 19 is passed from person to person. We know that average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. Florida reopened on May 4. New cases were flat for all of May. Protests started end of May. New cases start rising in first week of June, and by second week of June setting new records.

84683

Some new cases are coming from reopening, but the large spikes did not happen until after the large protests. Contact tracing is impossible in a marching crowd of 100,000. That's a red herring which you probably know.

[ColdNoMore]

Correlation can mean causation sometimes, sometimes not. You have to look at the data and all the variables involved. We know covid 19 is passed from person to person. We know that average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. Florida reopened on May 4. New cases were flat for all of May. Protests started end of May. New cases start rising in first week of June, and by second week of June setting new records.

84683

Some new cases are coming from reopening, but the large spikes did not happen until after the large protests. Contact tracing is impossible in a marching crowd of 100,000. That's a red herring which you probably know.

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. :ohdear:

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that. :oops:

[GoodLife]

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. :ohdear:

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that. :oops:

The dates and times from exposure to symptoms provide proof. If reopening was causing a huge spike it would have happened sometime in May. Exposure to death is 3-4 weeks. New cases were flat all of May. No death spikes either in May. Hiding ones head in the sand does no good. Spikes do not happen for no reason. The virus passes from person to person, huge numbers of people marching shoulder to shoulder while chanting and screaming are a recipe for new case spikes.

By the way:

NYC's contact tracers have been told not to ask people if they've attended a protest

NYC contact tracers told not to ask if people have attended a protest - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-contact-tracers-not-asking-people-attend-george-floyd-protest-2020-6)

I can't imagine why they would do this, well actually I can since the officials and health departments blessed the protests repeatedly.

[ColdNoMore]

Are we to take your repeated and unproved assertions...that you're against rallies/large gatherings then?


For the record...I'm not. :D


P.S. Per your link:

"If a person wants to proactively offer that information, there is an opportunity for them to do so."

Contact tracers track the spread of the coronavirus — connections and potential exposures — "without revealing the identity of the case,"

"We've begun doing—almost very similar to our COVID [work] — it's contact tracing," Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington said on May 30, just five days after Floyd was killed. "Who are they associated with? What platforms are they advocating for? ... Is this organized crime? ... We are in the process right now of building that information network."

Harrington's announcement wrought concern among protesters, privacy advocates, and health experts, who said he was misleading the public.

"Law enforcement strategies, where they are trying to track people down that are concerning to them, that is not contact tracing," David C. Harvey, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors, told Slate.

It is unclear whether anti-racist protests have contributed to a new wave of infections.



In other words, across the board.

It's also curious that LEO's would try to build a database...of those protesting.

Why would that be?

[GoodLife]

Are we to take your repeated and unproved assertions...that you're against rallies/large gatherings then?


For the record...I'm not. :D

During a highly contagious pandemic I sure am against them. Otherwise don't care. I also find it incredulous that the very same officials and health departments that are still prohibiting mass groups of people, funerals, fans at outdoor sporting events gave their blessing to mass groups of people protesting.

Here is another correlation for you, why have counties like Sumter and most of the rest in Florida that did not have large protests not show any large spikes in new cases? They all reopened May 4 as well.

Also, 3 of the biggest spikes have occurred in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach, all three of these are operating under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida.

[DONKEY10]

Of course it's genetics. Why are so many asymptomatic and some very sick.

[Windguy]

The dates and times from exposure to symptoms provide proof. If reopening was causing a huge spike it would have happened sometime in May.

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.

[PugMom]

i saw the article, although i can't remember where, it may have been the daily mail. somewhere in the report i saw was the millions who had the virus have now gotten better, & even using dexamethazone, of all things, a well known steroid. so as time goes on, we can learn more about the cure?

[Villages Kahuna]

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.

[GoodLife]

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.

Taking Dade county as an example, new cases per day for a week or so before June 12 were averaging about 250 per day, not going up or down. Then June 12 huge spike of 570 new cases. That's an increase of well over 100% in one day. No gradual growth beforehand. Something caused this and I don 't think it is reopening. Also, Dade and other South Florida counties have been under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida. Protests in Miami began on May 31 and continue, some of the largest were on
June 6 and 7. One week before the huge spike. Average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days.

Take Sumter County for example, no protests, no spike. Only 4 new cases since June 10. If spikes are due to reopening why no spike in Sumter? Lake County was cruising along with 3-10 new cases per day and then gets 62 on June 12. They had protests in Clermont a week earlier.

I looked at a lot of Florida Counties and saw the same thing. Big protests = big spike Small protests = small spike. No protests = no spike.

I am sure some new cases come from reopening, but reopening does not explain these spikes we are seeing. Otherwise we should see similar 100% spikes in all Florida counties not just the ones that had protests.

[Saluce]

The cause Of the rise could also be from all the protesting/riots, since that is were it appears the numbers have risen. You know when COVID-19 was hardly mentioned.

[Dana1963]

If Protests were the issue all states would be increasing.We here in central Florida are still getting people infected by not socially distancing and hygiene or failing to wear a mask to minimize exposure.70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

[allus70]

NY now has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.
Florida has one of the highest.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo considers 14-day quarantine for Florida visitors | wgrz.com (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-considers-14-day-quarantine-for-florida-visitors/71-800bf3ad-9869-4eec-a689-926d36b01278)

[GoodLife]

The cause Of the rise could also be from all the protesting/riots, since that is were it appears the numbers have risen. You know when COVID-19 was hardly mentioned.

Neat trick isn't it. Encourage giant protests during a highly contagious pandemic and then blame the spike on reopening. Meanwhile make sure there's no fans at golf tournaments, no funerals, severely limit church activities and keep a straight face while doing so.

[Keysers]

I too believe we could see an explosion similar to New York but I hope I am wrong. I think smart, cautious reopening is possible but it does not seem to be happening. Too many people either think this is behind us or they accept the death rate..

[kenoc7]

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.
From The Villages Weekly Bulletin

Vulnerable Populations:
Individuals older than 65 years of age and individuals with a serious underlying medical condition (such as chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe asthma, serious heart conditions, immune-compromised status, cancer, diabetes, severe obesity, renal failure and liver disease) should continue to stay at home. When leaving the home, these individuals should follow social distancing and other general mitigation guidance. Those living with vulnerable individuals should be aware of the exposure risk that they could carry the virus back home

[GoodLife]

NY now has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.
Florida has one of the highest.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo considers 14-day quarantine for Florida visitors | wgrz.com (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-considers-14-day-quarantine-for-florida-visitors/71-800bf3ad-9869-4eec-a689-926d36b01278)

Yes New York is a real success story with almost 400,000 cases and 31,000 deaths.

Epidemiologists have also proved that New York City citizens fleeing the outbreak there seeded up to 80% of the cases in the USA. Good Job!!

[theruizs]

Did you read this morning's article from Europe that says genetics may have much to play in some people who have more serious cases, such as having type A blood? I know that some say that more people get it in poor areas and blame lack of good health care but it could be connected to genetics.

You’re not implying that being poor is a genetic issue though, right?

[theruizs]

Neat trick isn't it. Encourage giant protests during a highly contagious pandemic and then blame the spike on reopening. Meanwhile make sure there's no fans at golf tournaments, no funerals, severely limit church activities and keep a straight face while doing so.

What would be the point of doing this on purpose? If so, it is not a very neat trick at all. I fail to see who would be advantaged by this.

[Kilmacowen]

Of course it's genetics. Why are so many asymptomatic and some very sick.

Most likely the immune system, and in better health.

[GoodLife]

What would be the point of doing this on purpose? If so, it is not a very neat trick at all. I fail to see who would be advantaged by this.

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

[Kilmacowen]

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

What about other countries that are experiencing spikes. And Dr Fauci warnings. Are they all involved in your conspiracy theory?

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Oh yes let’s just blame the protesters, God is punishing them just like he did aids patients in the 80’s , let’s not take into consideration that they have started to test more or the fact that our governor shut down to late and opened to early , yes the protest will cause some more cases , but also the fact is people who live in denser areas are going to have more cases . Before you point fingers , just look around villages and see that people aren’t doing what they should , I’ve been to a few restaurants but the outside bars are a mess,and do yourself a favor at least put your mask on if you go into a restaurant or public bathroom, it’s a close space and people from everywhere are going to be tight on top of you

[Dana1963]

Wearing a mask is NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT!

[gadaboutgal]

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

So I think you are saying the large groups of people mingling for whatever reason increases the rate of the virus spreading?
Please explain why you think that reopening the economy is not dangerous when it seems you already professed to believe that allowing people to gather in large numbers has contributed to our largest counties having increased Covid positives? My opinion is your logic does not compute.

[jimjamuser]

But not in a good way. :(


Click Here (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/16/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-cases-adding-2783/)




While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:
The US is #1, very Biggley little Piggley. And everybody knows, who to blame. Can you say, what is a DPA? Everybody knows, that Ca. is wearing masks. Everybody knows, it is the law. Everybody knows, that the mask works. That's how it goes, when everybody knows. Everybody knows, the war is over. Everybody knows the virus won! That's how it goes, everybody knows. If 60% of the people wore their masks 60% of the time the Virus would go away. That's how it goes, when Science knows.

[jimjamuser]

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.
What about churches? They are indoor. They just opened for business. Maybe your neighbor goes to church?? Who IS John Galt?

[jimjamuser]

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses. :oops:

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.
Good empathy-brings you in from the cold. Who IS John Galt?

[jimjamuser]

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. :ohdear:

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that. :oops:
Causation implies a SLOW START to becoming #!. Go Italy! Girl, at least YOU have Universal Health Care.

[jimjamuser]

During a highly contagious pandemic I sure am against them. Otherwise don't care. I also find it incredulous that the very same officials and health departments that are still prohibiting mass groups of people, funerals, fans at outdoor sporting events gave their blessing to mass groups of people protesting.

Here is another correlation for you, why have counties like Sumter and most of the rest in Florida that did not have large protests not show any large spikes in new cases? They all reopened May 4 as well.

Also, 3 of the biggest spikes have occurred in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach, all three of these are operating under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida.
Those counties get a lot of TOURISTS. Also, they contain many ethnic groups that DO NOT have the luxury of another ethnic group that can work from home. Lots of variables. A little logic and empathy forces out the answer.

[jimjamuser]

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.
Good post, good opinion.

[jimjamuser]

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.
Smart man.Nice tan. That even rhymes.

[theruizs]

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.
Ok. I’ll have to think on that a bit, but I get what you’re saying.

[GoodLife]

So I think you are saying the large groups of people mingling for whatever reason increases the rate of the virus spreading?
Please explain why you think that reopening the economy is not dangerous when it seems you already professed to believe that allowing people to gather in large numbers has contributed to our largest counties having increased Covid positives? My opinion is your logic does not compute.

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

[jimjamuser]

NY now has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.
Florida has one of the highest.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo considers 14-day quarantine for Florida visitors | wgrz.com (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-considers-14-day-quarantine-for-florida-visitors/71-800bf3ad-9869-4eec-a689-926d36b01278)
Irony reigns supreme in the camp of the Plague. We ARE # 1.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?



Yeah you did. You disobeyed "correlation does not equal causation," the primary tenet of good research.

Using your logic:

The top 3 spikes in Florida have occurred in shoreline counties. Therefore, it's the people going to the beach causing the spikes.


Do you see how that just really doesn't seem to make sense? That it feels flat, that this one thing can't possibly be the primary reason, there has to be more to it?

More than you might know, since you aren't a scientist, you're not doing any actual research, you're just doing some google headline searches and coming to conclusions based on someone else's version of a summary they found from a third or fourth party who might have worked with dozens of other people on the actual research.

[billethkid]

Coming soon .....mandatory masks in FL mandated by Desantis.

[jimjamuser]

Oh yes let’s just blame the protesters, God is punishing them just like he did aids patients in the 80’s , let’s not take into consideration that they have started to test more or the fact that our governor shut down to late and opened to early , yes the protest will cause some more cases , but also the fact is people who live in denser areas are going to have more cases . Before you point fingers , just look around villages and see that people aren’t doing what they should , I’ve been to a few restaurants but the outside bars are a mess,and do yourself a favor at least put your mask on if you go into a restaurant or public bathroom, it’s a close space and people from everywhere are going to be tight on top of you
Best post of the morning. Very intelligent, detailed, and informative. You go, Charleyo!

[jimjamuser]

Wearing a mask is NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT!
Wearing of masks, is a statement of SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chi-Town]

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.

[jimjamuser]

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.
Mandatory means non-voluntary. Means "you DO it Clide" . Needs teeth so Clide, can't slide.

[GoodLife]

Originally posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yeah you did. You disobeyed "correlation does not equal causation," the primary tenet of good research.

Nope, after I saw the correlation of large protests = large spikes I looked for the opposite. No protests = no spikes. Then I looked at science, average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. How virus is transmitted person to person. Looked at dates spikes started, looked at dates protests happened. Looked at dates Florida reopened, looked at new cases rates after that. Then I read what epidemiologist were saying about the dangers of large tightly packed groups in protests chanting and yelling loudly expels more virus. Looked at photos of large protests, saw how tightly packed they were.

The top 3 spikes in Florida have occurred in shoreline counties. Therefore, it's the people going to the beach causing the spikes.

Over 50% of Florida counties are on the shoreline. Only a few of them had spikes. Orange county is inland, it had a large spike. These facts blow that theory out of the water.

More than you might know, since you aren't a scientist, you're not doing any actual research, you're just doing some google headline searches and coming to conclusions based on someone else's version of a summary they found from a third or fourth party who might have worked with dozens of other people on the actual research.

Are you sure about this? :coolsmiley:

[Rosie1950]

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

Who’s going to DECIDE 5-10 days from tomorrow in Tulsa? With 20,000 in an INDOOR facility shouting and screaming? So I guess YOU would suggest it would be the protesters OUTSIDE!
Our Governor suggests that the spike is coming from immigrant seasonal workers, prisons and long term care facilities. Can you explain his reasoning?

[gadaboutgal]

"Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state."

Unfortunately, you did not answer my question: If you believe that the Protesters were the cause of the higher Covid count because of their being in close proximity and shouting, then do you not see that reopening in most situations is also dangerous?

And why do you consider the goal to restrict reopenings is also a "way of keeping the economy in a depressed state" Isn't the goal to limit exposure in any way we can? Herd immunity is an impossible goal in the U.S. just as it was in Sweden where they tried but have not reached.Achieving herd immunity is going ‘surprisingly slow’ for Sweden | Fortune (https://fortune.com/2020/06/17/sweden-herd-immunity-surprisingly-slow/)

Me thinks you just want to argue politics and are concerned you will be banned if you actually come out with it.

[JoMar]

Non of this really matters does it? We aren't going back to shut down, there are no consequenses for businesses not wearing masks or enforcing social distancing much less individuals, the key indicator is how much hospital capacity is available not cases, not deaths. We can only make our own rules and follow them.

[nututv]

a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it will be voluntary.
That just makes no sense at all.

[sloanst]

During the Black Plague, a lot of people died, some got sick and survived and some didn't get sick at all. Modern science has proven that was completely due to genetics, specifically the delta 32 gene. If you had a single copy of the delta 32 gene you would get sick but likely survive. With a double copy of this gene, you wouldn't get sick at all. What does that have to do with today. Those individuals that have a double copy of the delta 32 gene are immune to the AIDS virus. I would bet they are also immune to Covid 19.

[NJblue]

Causation implies a SLOW START to becoming #!. Go Italy! Girl, at least YOU have Universal Health Care.

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.

[Chi-Town]

That just makes no sense at all.

Hard to argue.


Masks become mandatory in Orange County, as Florida hits record-high 3,207 new coronavirus cases | Blogs (https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/06/18/masks-become-mandatory-in-orange-county-as-florida-hits-record-high-3207-new-coronavirus-cases)

[Viperguy]

Bottom line folks......It aint over so you might want to reconsider hanging out at the local bar with you friends. Saw some partying at a bar in Brownwood like the old days. Pretty stupid if you ask me. Putting the rest of us at risk.

[donassaid]

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.

[nututv]

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.

Want to see how great Govt run health care is in the US? Easy, visit a VA hospital. Father was Air Force 28 years, I was 6. We'd drive past a VA hosp for a real one.

[newgirl]

Sad

[nututv]

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.
I don't believe in them and have yet to wear one. That said, there is no data to back that one up as far as I can tell. Discomfort, absolutely. For me anyway.

[mtdjed]

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. :ohdear:

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that. :oops:

And you will obviously support this "No correlation" observation for any rally bringing large groups together.

[coffeebean]

Coming soon .....mandatory masks in FL mandated by Desantis.

I'm a proponent of mask wearing in public spaces indoors where no social distancing is guaranteed. But.......wondering how this will be enforced?

[ColdNoMore]

Wearing of masks, is a statement of SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And REASON!!!!!!


Which is antipathetic to... :ohdear:

[coffeebean]

Orange County and Orlando will have a mandatory public mask executive order tomorrow, but it wil be voluntary.

That is an oxymoron.

[ColdNoMore]

And you will obviously support this "No correlation" observation for any rally bringing large groups together.

I think any large groups...are taking a chance.

I believe large groups outside wearing masks, versus the same packed inside, for any reason (sports/rallies/concerts/Etc.) without masks...is simply being idiotic.

We shall see though...eh? ;)

[chet2020]

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/recent-protests-may-not-be-covid-19-transmission-hotspots-11592498020?mod=hp_lead_pos3)

[coffeebean]

Hard to argue.


Masks become mandatory in Orange County, as Florida hits record-high 3,207 new coronavirus cases | Blogs (https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/06/18/masks-become-mandatory-in-orange-county-as-florida-hits-record-high-3207-new-coronavirus-cases)

Mandatory but voluntary. Ridiculous!

[coffeebean]

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/recent-protests-may-not-be-covid-19-transmission-hotspots-11592498020?mod=hp_lead_pos3)

Protests are outdoors with some wearing masks properly. The bar in Jacksonville is indoors with no mask wearing. What does this tell us?

[ColdNoMore]

Protests are outdoors with some wearing masks properly. The bar in Jacksonville is indoors with no mask wearing. What does this tell us?

That it's perfectly fine & safe to have an indoor gathering...with almost no one wearing a mask?


Answering for a friend.

[allus70]

Yes New York is a real success story with almost 400,000 cases and 31,000 deaths.

Epidemiologists have also proved that New York City citizens fleeing the outbreak there seeded up to 80% of the cases in the USA. Good Job!!
NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

[ColdNoMore]

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

Nailed it! :thumbup:


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[Marvic 1]

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses. :oops:


You forgot to mention Poor Health, Diabetes, Obesity and Lack of Social Distancing......

[ColdNoMore]

You forgot to mention Poor Health, Diabetes, Obesity and Lack of Social Distancing......Actually...you're correct.

There are a plethora of scientific studies, showing how the poor are at a huge disadvantage due to the lack of access to affordable health care, the high cost of eating healthy...but plenty of easy access to cheap, high caloric food.

[Marvic 1]

Actually...you're correct.

There are a plethora of scientific studies, showing how the poor are at a huge disadvantage due to the lack of access to affordable health care, the high cost of eating healthy...but plenty of easy access to cheap, high caloric food.
You said the word "Poor".
I didn't know they did away with free healthcare (Medicaid) Food Coupons, Basically free Housing (Section 8) or Welfare checks for the "Poor"?

[ColdNoMore]

You said the word "Poor".
I didn't know they did away with free healthcare (Medicaid) Food Coupons, Basically free Housing (Section 8) or Welfare checks for the "Poor"?

"Houston, I see why we have such a problem." :oops:


Might I suggest you do even just...a little more research? :ohdear:


Thank you. :ho:

[Marvic 1]

"Houston, I see why we have such a problem." :oops:


Might I suggest you do even just...a little more research? :ohdear:


Thank you. :ho:
Turning a back on reality.... :coolsmiley:


Brother, I don't need to research, I come from the area and have seen what goes on.. :ohdear:

Hasta La Vista Amigo! :ho:

[GoodLife]

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/recent-protests-may-not-be-covid-19-transmission-hotspots-11592498020?mod=hp_lead_pos3)

They tested a small sample of the protesters, not every protester. If every one of the millions who have protested how many positives would that 1.8% rate generate?

And how many did those positive protesters infect before getting tested?

16 women getting infected in a Jacksonville eatery is a spit in the bucket and you conclude that this proves protests are not a major component of the uptick?

Maybe one of the 7 waiters and bartenders who also tested positive was a super spreader. That happened on June 6, there were protests in Jacksonville May 30 and 31. Maybe one or more of those waiters and bartenders went to the protests.

[Aloha1]

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.

And then those New Yorkers went around the country seeding the virus everywhere. So what exactly should the other States have done. Seal their borders in violation of the Constitution?

[bpascani]

I personally feel that we need to discourage those outside of TV, that have not been sheltering in place, PLEASE DON'T COME VISIT. Also, all Villages people limit outings, maintain social distancing, and wear masks. That's the way we will keep our town safer from COVID 19 (IMHO)

[jimjamuser]

I really think you should be careful extolling Universal Health Care in Italy as a positive thing. Italy, with its Universal Health Care, had to choose which people that they would let die for lack of respirators and had people stacked up in hospitals like cord wood. Meanwhile, NYC had a much higher case load per capita than did Italy yet they never lacked for respirators or hospital space. If any one thing argues against Universal Health Care it is how poor it has proven to be in emergency situations like a pandemic.
Not true-Finland has minimum cases.

[jimjamuser]

So what? 98.5% of those who contract the virus recover without complications. Wearing face masks can be harmful to your immune system and can cause pleurisy from breathing your own CO2.
Not even close to being true.

[jimjamuser]

Want to see how great Govt run health care is in the US? Easy, visit a VA hospital. Father was Air Force 28 years, I was 6. We'd drive past a VA hosp for a real one.
And that colored all future thoughts about maybe(?) the V.A overall is a good organization. If it was so bad there would not be a NEED for a VA in the Villages.

[jimjamuser]

Per the WSJ, 3,200 Minneapolis protesters tested, 1.8% positive = 48 cases. Boston, 1,288 tested, 1.08% positive = 14 cases.

Sixteen women celebrating a birthday on June 6 go to a bar in Jacksonville FL, all 16 test positive = 16 cases.

It's fair to say the protests contributed to an uptick, but it does not appear they the main component of the surge in new cases.

Early Data Show No Uptick in Covid-19 Transmission From Protests - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/recent-protests-may-not-be-covid-19-transmission-hotspots-11592498020?mod=hp_lead_pos3)
1 indoor = bad outcome----2 outdoor = a little bit bad outcome.

[jimjamuser]

NYC is the financial, cultural & media center of this country.As such, hundreds of thousands Of Europeans & Chinese entered & conducted business here while the virus raged in silence, many carrying the COVID virus, seeding it in the process long before travel to the city was restricted by the Feds. They bore the brunt of the pandemic. The shame of it all is that other states could of and should have learned from their horrendous misfortune and how it was possible to bring it under control. Unfortunately, it seems they won’t.
Exactamento!

[coffeebean]

That it's perfectly fine & safe to have an indoor gathering...with almost no one wearing a mask?


Answering for a friend.

I think you may have meant to say an OUTDOOR gathering...........

[ColdNoMore]

I think you may have meant to say an OUTDOOR gathering...........

Nope.

Satire.

It's obvious, that an indoor gathering without masks (like the ladies in Jax)...is much more dangerous than an outdoor gathering. :ho:

[NJblue]

Not true-Finland has minimum cases.

Having universal healthcare has nothing to do with the number of cases but it has a huge impact on the healthcare provided to those who contract Covid. There were massive outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Sweden, all with universal healthcare. Yet these countries had to resort to choosing who was to live and who was to die because of a healthcare system that could not cope with it. Yet, NYC, which had an even bigger outbreak had plenty of ventilators and hospital beds.

While progressives like to paint universal healthcare as a human right and an act of compassion, I urge anyone who may think along these lines to watch this Youtube of how universal healthcare in Sweden is dealing with Covid. As a summary, the government is not allowing anyone over 80 or anyone over 60 with comorbidities to go to the hospital. Instead, they are sent to the equivalent of hospices where they are are deprived of oxygen supplements and instead given drugs that eases the discomfort but which almost certainly guarantees death - in other words, it is government mandated euthanasia. Very compassionate, eh?

Of course, Governor Cuomo has his own cross to bear for the way he treated nursing home patients, but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0TK_Syn9I)

[ColdNoMore]

Having universal healthcare has nothing to do with the number of cases but it has a huge impact on the healthcare provided to those who contract Covid. There were massive outbreaks in Italy, Spain and Sweden, all with universal healthcare. Yet these countries had to resort to choosing who was to live and who was to die because of a healthcare system that could not cope with it. Yet, NYC, which had an even bigger outbreak had plenty of ventilators and hospital beds.

While progressives like to paint universal healthcare as a human right and an act of compassion, I urge anyone who may think along these lines to watch this Youtube of how universal healthcare in Sweden is dealing with Covid. As a summary, the government is not allowing anyone over 80 or anyone over 60 with comorbidities to go to the hospital. Instead, they are sent to the equivalent of hospices where they are are deprived of oxygen supplements and instead given drugs that eases the discomfort but which almost certainly guarantees death - in other words, it is government mandated euthanasia. Very compassionate, eh?

Of course, Governor Cuomo has his own cross to bear for the way he treated nursing home patients, but that has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0TK_Syn9I)

In trying to abide with TOTV's policy of NO political references, let me just point out that our society, through programs, institutional policies and the ever-increasing wealth gap, has already chosen in a lot of ways as to who gets quality healthcare...and thus has a better/worse chance of dying or becoming seriously ill.

As a nation, why are so many afraid of leveling the playing field and allowing ALL American citizens...the same care?

Isn't THAT, at its core...the definition of being a "patriot?"

[PugMom]

they can't get the 'same' because some can't afford the major plans, of which the aca was. i hear many say medicare for all, but medicare isn't free & i'm not sure how many people actually know that. those who cant afford get medicaid.

[NJblue]

[SIZE="3"]let me just point out that our society, through programs, institutional policies and the ever-increasing wealth gap, has already chosen in a lot of ways as to who gets quality healthcare...and thus has a better/worse chance of dying or becoming seriously ill.

As a nation, why are so many afraid of leveling the playing field and allowing ALL American citizens...the same care?



Since this topic is primarily one of Covid which had a reference to universal healthcare as a better way of dealing with Covid, it seems appropriate to point out countries which have universal healthcare in which the healthcare system failed miserably. It also seems appropriate to show by contrast how the US healthcare system does not have the same limitations in terms of resources such that we had to resort to euthanasia in order to deal with the crisis. As to every US citizen having access to the same health care, can you provide any documentation that shows that a person in the US who showed up at a hospital with Covid was denied treatment?

To put it another way, would you rather be a poor 80 year old person with Covid in the US or a middle class 80 year old person with Covid in Sweden? That's what universal healthcare in Sweden has given their citizens.

[ColdNoMore]

Since this topic is primarily one of Covid which had a reference to universal healthcare as a better way of dealing with Covid, it seems appropriate to point out countries which have universal healthcare in which the healthcare system failed miserably. It also seems appropriate to show by contrast how the US healthcare system does not have the same limitations in terms of resources such that we had to resort to euthanasia in order to deal with the crisis. As to every US citizen having access to the same health care, can you provide any documentation that shows that a person in the US who showed up at a hospital with Covid was denied treatment?

To put it another way, would you rather be a poor 80 year old person with Covid in the US or a middle class 80 year old person with Covid in Sweden? That's what universal healthcare in Sweden has given their citizens.

I'm guessing that you are already aware of EMTALA, so you know that your very narrow example of someone showing up in the emergency room is not a valid example...because it would be considered an "emergency."

Which does nothing, for those who may have comorbidities due to years...of not having access to regular, quality health care.

Just like EMTALA does not apply to people with cancer/diabetes/long-term illnesses/Etc., Etc.

For those not aware of what is covered...please read up.

EMTALA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act)



As for the argument of UHC when using JUST Covid-19 as the example..here is another (much broader view than only Sweden).

UHC and Covid-19 (http://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/covid-19-highlights-need-universal-health-coverage)

Meanwhile, the world’s largest economy lacks universal health coverage, and is struggling to deal with this pandemic.

[DON10E]

But not in a good way. :(


Click Here (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/16/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-for-coronavirus-cases-adding-2783/)




While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:

Important info on Florida stats not reported anywhere but the Governors’ website.

[kathy1516]

Much more likely than an unproved connection to "genetics," is that the higher % of people of color, per capita, getting infected/dying is because they are the ones more likely to have lower paid positions and be considered "essential"...thus, have no choice but to work.

Sanitation, transit workers, convenience store employees, lower echelon health workers, social workers, Etc., Etc. are the ones...that let us hide in our houses. :oops:

And yes, I'm one of those "hiding," but I am at least grateful/appreciative for those who are making us lucky ones...be able to hide in the first place.
So you’re saying that a higher % of people of color that are low income workers are more likely to get the virus because they are “essential.” What about the EMS, physicians, firefighters, nurses, police, etc.? They are as “essential” as the low income workers. Where do you obtain your facts for this? Sounds ridiculous.
BTW what is a “lower echelon healthcare worker?”
Sounds awful biased thinking.

[ColdNoMore]

So you’re saying that a higher % of people of color that are low income workers are more likely to get the virus because they are “essential.” What about the EMS, physicians, firefighters, nurses, police, etc.? They are as “essential” as the low income workers. Where do you obtain your facts for this? Sounds ridiculous.
BTW what is a “lower echelon healthcare worker?”
Sounds awful biased thinking.



Brookings Institution (Click Here) (http://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/04/09/why-are-blacks-dying-at-higher-rates-from-covid-19/)


There is a saying—“When America catches a cold, Black people get the flu.” Well, in 2020, when America catches coronavirus, Black people die. Blacks in about every state with racial data available have higher contraction rates and higher death rates of COVID-19.

Regarding work, Blacks are more likely to be part of the new COVID-19 “essential” workforce. Blacks represent nearly 30% of bus drivers and nearly 20% of all food service workers, janitors, cashiers, and stockers.

During a highly-contagious pandemic like COVID-19, Black workers, and consequently their families, are over-exposed.

Predominately Black neighborhoods are more likely to be exposed to pollutants and toxins.

The Brookings Institution is a nonprofit public policy organization based in Washington, DC. Our mission is to conduct in-depth research that leads to new ideas for solving problems facing society at the local, national and global level.


FACTS MATTER. :ho:

[graciegirl]

Brookings Institution (Click Here) (http://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/04/09/why-are-blacks-dying-at-higher-rates-from-covid-19/)






FACTS MATTER. :ho:

Facts do matter. Yes they do. But it is really hard to find unbiased information. This article which is three years old suggests that the Brookings Institution is not centrist.

Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/06/02/brookings-institution-the-progressive-jukebox-funded-by-u-s-taxpayers/#bdc102a5e535)

Of course I chose an article that supported MY views. We all do. I think we need to expand on free health care for the truly in need, the truly handicapped and the truly poor, and support health care that is not free but affordable, but I am not for plain old socialized medicine. It waters down the good, the excellent, the world class health care we now have. Tweak it but don't ruin it, is my view.

[GoodLife]

Important info on Florida stats not reported anywhere but the Governors’ website.

84719

Aha! I predicted this earlier in my thread proposing that protesters are responsible for the big spikes in Florida cases. I posted a graph showing the median age of new cases had dropped from about 55 to around 30, and the Governors info confirms that median age of new cases in the hot spots is between 27 and 32. Just what you would expect from a protester demographic that skews younger.

I also predicted that these younger "positives" would include a lot of asymptomatic cases and far fewer deaths because the percentage of people under 50 who die from covid 19 is extremely miniscule and also contains more asymptomatics. I also warned "Beware the millennials" because they can still pass the disease to you even if asymptomatic.

[allus70]

Why are COVID cases rising in Florida? (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/covid-cases-florida-rise.amp?__twitter_impression=true)

[ColdNoMore]

Facts do matter. Yes they do. But it is really hard to find unbiased information. This article which is three years old suggests that the Brookings Institution is not centrist.

Brookings Institution -- The Progressive Jukebox Funded By U.S. Taxpayers (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/06/02/brookings-institution-the-progressive-jukebox-funded-by-u-s-taxpayers/#bdc102a5e535)

Of course I chose an article that supported MY views. We all do. I think we need to expand on free health care for the truly in need, the truly handicapped and the truly poor, and support health care that is not free but affordable, but I am not for plain old socialized medicine. It waters down the good, the excellent, the world class health care we now have. Tweak it but don't ruin it, is my view.
:1rotfl:

I suggest you read about the author of that opinion piece (Adam Andrzejewski)...before citing him. :D

My source, The Brookings Institute, cited facts and percentages (hint, look at their citations), whereby your author...seems to have only a single agenda. ;)


Facts Matter :wave: