Shootings surge in NYC amid disbanding of NYPD’s plainclothes anti-crime unit

[GoodLife]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)

[TommyT]

Isn't New York a Gun Free Zone ?? :ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

Lets do less to fight crime. What could possibly go wrong?

[davem4616]

Sad, but predictable...what were they thinking would happen

well, more and more people and businesses will be fleeing from the big cities, leaving those big city officials scratching their heads as they watch their tax revenue declining and their drastically underfunded city pension plans getting worse.

do you spell default in upper or lower case?

memo to self....avoid investing in any municipal bonds

[BostonRich]

It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.

[Scorpyo]

Isn't New York a Gun Free Zone ?? :ohdear:
Yes, they're free to criminals - they just simply steal them. Others have to buy them. However,concealed carry permits are almost impossible to get for any law abiding citizen. Notwithstanding, if you're a celebrity, politician or wealthy individual you can always hire armed protection.

[GoodLife]

Yes, they're free to criminals - they just simply steal them. Others have to buy them. However,concealed carry permits are almost impossible to get for any law abiding citizen. Notwithstanding, if you're a celebrity, politician or wealthy individual you can always hire armed protection.

The guy washing his car had no chance even if he was packing a gun, he was washing his wheels when the guy just walked up behind him and shot him in the head. Video at second link above if you care to watch.

[Kenswing]

This should be of no surprise to anyone. Look what happened in Baltimore after the Freddie Gray incident. The police backed off and homicides soared. The same will happen in every big city that tries to demonize their police force.

[billethkid]

Maybe they have decided there is a "new norm" for unpoliced era murders and assaults.

Most certainly they know that eliminating law enforcement will ONLY embolden the criminal element resulting in increased crime, physical harm and death.

Wouldn't they?

To appease the crowd and the politics they have knowingly traded off law and order for increased violence and murder.

This should scare the living crap out of the average law abiding citizen(s).

The entire issue could have easily been dealt with by stating acceptable rules of engagement.

The law and order abiding majority need to make their wishes known across the country before it becomes too late.

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe they have decided there is a "new norm" for unpoliced era murders and assaults.

Most certainly they know that eliminating law enforcement will ONLY embolden the criminal element resulting in increased crime, physical harm and death.

Wouldn't they?

To appease the crowd and the politics they have knowingly traded off law and order for increased violence and murder.

This should scare the living crap out of the average law abiding citizen(s).

The entire issue could have easily been dealt with by stating acceptable rules of engagement.

The law and order abiding majority need to make their wishes known across the country before it becomes too late.

Think the city govt would have some idea that pandering to this minority will cause them to have to find a new way to earn a living after this November.

[Two Bills]

Where are the Social Workers when you need them?:shrug:

[HIgolfers]

The guy washing his car had no chance even if he was packing a gun, he was washing his wheels when the guy just walked up behind him and shot him in the head. Video at second link above if you care to watch.

This was an Execution.

[Stu from NYC]

Where are the Social Workers when you need them?:shrug:

So true

[ALadysMom]

Soon NYC officials will be crying because their tourism and conventions have not returned.

[graciegirl]

It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.

Here's my reaction;....It appears governors have better common sense than mayors....

We have some mighty odd ducks for mayors around this country.

[speedo8357]

If Giuliani were major, this would not be happening. I’m a born and raised NYer and began my working career during the 70s. You couldn’t walk through the streets without climbing over homeless and being accosted by windshield washers intimidating you when you parked at a red light. A marked difference during Giuliani in the 90s. You actually were inclined to hang around the city to go to a show and have a bite to eat. Because he empowered the police and supported them.

[fdpaq0580]

It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.

Like you, I too am saddened and fearful. People are crazy, but the leaders of the crazies are crazy like foxes. They know that the continued weakening of our responses to lawlessness and the pandering of political leaders to special interests due to threats of various kinds is working. I believe that the majority of decent, honest people truly support equality for all, but the crazy foxes have succeeded in getting us to focus on and squabble over details, individual events and past injustices, thus making it near impossible to agree on what really needs to be done to set a proper foundation for moving ahead.
The aim of the crazy foxes, is the destruction of our country. They don't want to rock the boat, they want to tip the boat over.
I want and welcome diversity in my country and my community. But, I also welcome law and order equally applied to all. As long as there are those who prey and abuse others the laws must be enforced, order maintained and correcting measures applied equally to all.
Please stay safe. Please stay healthy. Peace.

[Stu from NYC]

Like you, I too am saddened and fearful. People are crazy, but the leaders of the crazies are crazy like foxes. They know that the continued weakening of our responses to lawlessness and the pandering of political leaders to special interests due to threats of various kinds is working. I believe that the majority of decent, honest people truly support equality for all, but the crazy foxes have succeeded in getting us to focus on and squabble over details, individual events and past injustices, thus making it near impossible to agree on what really needs to be done to set a proper foundation for moving ahead.
The aim of the crazy foxes, is the destruction of our country. They don't want to rock the boat, they want to tip the boat over.
I want and welcome diversity in my country and my community. But, I also welcome law and order equally applied to all. As long as there are those who prey and abuse others the laws must be enforced, order maintained and correcting measures applied equally to all.
Please stay safe. Please stay healthy. Peace.

I am afraid you are right, they are trying to destroy our country and unfortunately we are playing into their hands,

[JGVillages]

Here's my reaction;....It appears governors have better common sense than mayors....

We have some mighty odd ducks for mayors around this country.

Mayors in charge of directing police action in a crisis? Police chiefs/commissioners are hired because of their extensive education and experience in law enforcement. My guess would be 95%+ of mayors in the USA have little if any law enforcement expertise, yet they decide the actions or inactions of their city’s police response in a crisis. Anyone care to explain why this system isn’t designed to fail?????

[Stu from NYC]

Mayors in charge of directing police action in a crisis? Police chiefs/commissioners are hired because of their extensive education and experience in law enforcement. My guess would be 95%+ of mayors in the USA have little if any law enforcement expertise, yet they decide the actions or inactions of their city’s police response in a crisis. Anyone care to explain why this system isn’t designed to fail?????

Politicians kind of think they know it all. Why do politicians direct our armed forces in times of war when they have no military background.

One of smartest things Abraham Lincoln did was appoint Grant as general in charge and let him do his job.

[GoodLife]

Politicians kind of think they know it all. Why do politicians direct our armed forces in times of war when they have no military background.

One of smartest things Abraham Lincoln did was appoint Grant as general in charge and let him do his job.

Apparently Grant did not do a good enough job defeating the confederacy because his statues are being defaced and toppled.

[mamamia54]

If Giuliani were major, this would not be happening. I’m a born and raised NYer and began my working career during the 70s. You couldn’t walk through the streets without climbing over homeless and being accosted by windshield washers intimidating you when you parked at a red light. A marked difference during Giuliani in the 90s. You actually were inclined to hang around the city to go to a show and have a bite to eat. Because he empowered the police and supported them.

Absolutely correct! DeBlasio could care less about his police force and they know it.

[Stu from NYC]

Apparently Grant did not do a good enough job defeating the confederacy because his statues are being defaced and toppled.

Still scratching my head about this one. He should be a hero to these people. Perhaps they have no idea who he is and what he did.

[ColdNoMore]

Politicians kind of think they know it all. Why do politicians direct our armed forces in times of war when they have no military background.

One of smartest things Abraham Lincoln did was appoint Grant as general in charge and let him do his job.

Maybe because it's in the COTUS and the Founding Father's didn't want a...


Military Dictatorship (click here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship)


...as our form of government? :oops:

In fact, the FF's weren't in favor of a standing army...in the first place.

[GOLFER54]

The criminals know that the police are scarce due to them leaving the force or retiring. These bad people are having a field day with little or no consequences.

[Stu from NYC]

The criminals know that the police are scarce due to them leaving the force or retiring. These bad people are having a field day with little or no consequences.

Very true hoping that the voters remember what the mayor and city council did to their city.

[Paporter]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)

Why is this surprising?

[Paporter]

It’s because it’s being done by thugs, who don’t know the difference between Grant and Donald Duck.

[Annie66]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)

Let's see what the data tells us in a month or two. This report to me is one data point, and you need multiple data points to determine a trend. Let the data do the talking.

[paquino]

“These crazy people “ are whom we elected!

[camaguey48]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)
Don't forget Chicago. Mayor Lightfoot should be called Lightweight.

[GoodLife]

Let's see what the data tells us in a month or two. This report to me is one data point, and you need multiple data points to determine a trend. Let the data do the talking.

So the 35 year old black guy who was executed while washing his car is just a data point and not a trend?

I guess we can say same thing about George Floyd.

[ts12755]

The people of NYC have the mayor they elected.

[Bay Kid]

Apparently Grant did not do a good enough job defeating the confederacy because his statues are being defaced and toppled.

You can't fix stupid. Most were not taught American history and if they were they didn't listen.
This isn't about the confederacy, it is a war on anything that might be about white people. It is a racist attack on the country.

[GoodLife]

You can't fix stupid. Most were not taught American history and if they were they didn't listen.
This isn't about the confederacy, it is a war on anything that might be about white people. It is a racist attack on the country.

Yes we have moved quickly from "we just want to take down Confederate Generals" to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt etc etc

Give them an inch and they take a mile. It's now gotten to "that girl got raped cuz her skirt was too short" territory. "These statues are just asking for it"

I'm still waiting for the name change of New York and Yale, both of which were named for or founded by actual slave traders.

[Joe C.]

Yup …. It's a sad state of affairs. But thankfully, we have the 2nd Amendment, and it's so easy to exercise. Only a few states suppress it …..New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and Illinois (and maybe a couple more).
I always carry when travelling, and sometimes while here. But methinks that I should carry all the time. After all, TV is considered a "soft target".

[GoodLife]

Let's see what the data tells us in a month or two. This report to me is one data point, and you need multiple data points to determine a trend. Let the data do the talking.

More "data points"

NYC Violent Spree: 51 shootings since Monday, NYPD reports

NEW YORK (WABC) -- It's been a violent week in New York City as 51 shootings were reported since Monday, June 15.

There were at least 24 victims in 18 incidents on Sunday alone, the NYPD said.

New York City Violent Spree: 51 shootings since Monday, NYPD reports - ABC7 New York (https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-shooting-shootings-in-nyc/6258453/)

They are to busy deciding what statues to take down to deal with this shooting spree

[sloanst]

I would not be able to provide the answer without getting political. That being said, I drink my coffee with my left hand.

[MandoMan]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)

In the photo of the 35 year old man in the link you gave, he is giving a gang hand symbol. Frankly, I don’t mind if gang members kill other gang members, so long as they don’t shoot non-members. But last week, wasn’t there a man in Ocala who was shot in the neck by a stray bullet while driving past a gun fight in progress? I would love for the police to protect everyone who wants to be protected, but what do you do if they don’t want to be protected? It’s a difficult situation. Do you give people what they want or what they need? And what if the people who wanted to defund the police then complain that they aren’t being protected? Life is rather confusing and difficult these days.

[OhioBuckeye]

It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.

You know they say if you’re fearful & you turn your guns in you’ll have nothing to worry about because they also say, “Guns Kill”. Make sense!

[OhioBuckeye]

Where are the Social Workers when you need them?:shrug:

They’re to busy Socializing!😲

[GoodLife]

In the photo of the 35 year old man in the link you gave, he is giving a gang hand symbol. Frankly, I don’t mind if gang members kill other gang members, so long as they don’t shoot non-members. But last week, wasn’t there a man in Ocala who was shot in the neck by a stray bullet while driving past a gun fight in progress? I would love for the police to protect everyone who wants to be protected, but what do you do if they don’t want to be protected? It’s a difficult situation. Do you give people what they want or what they need? And what if the people who wanted to defund the police then complain that they aren’t being protected? Life is rather confusing and difficult these days.

His hand signal looks like a two handed shaka symbol to me, article notes that he was an entrepreneur who designed African themed clothing.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

2016 fl 12.6 per 100, 2,704 murdered New York 4.4 pe 100, 900 murdered murder rank by state 2018 Florida 19 New York 47 Massachusetts 49 . I am also happy to say that my state of Massachusetts has either the lowest percent of murders 3.4 per 100, or the next lowest for last 20 years I’m also very happy to say it’s almost impossible to get a permit to carry a gun, I can also tell you that for almost 40 in a he most dangerous places in world I used a gun I would never know ever have one since I stopped working again

[jimjamuser]

Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 28 incidents and 38 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit.

By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.

NYC shootings surge after NYPD's anti-crime unit disbanded (https://nypost.com/2020/06/19/nyc-shootings-surge-after-nypds-anti-crime-unit-disbanded/)

In one of the killings, a 35 year old man in Brooklyn was washing his car when an unknown assailant walked up behind and executed him.

NYC man shot dead while washing car as gun violence soars - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-man-fatally-shot-brooklyn-gun-violence-soars-20200620-pp3uqtsenbf63n4aei3tw265ou-story.html)
It seems to be nationwide-like a work slowdown-a historical union tactic. For example in Atlanta, about 6 or 8 of their Police Force outright resigned. And many are slow in answering calls. Their Union seems worried about the BAD publicity about the recent Atlanta Police shooting and nationwide anti-Police MOOD. All Unions tend to have a "all for 1 and 1 for all" CREDO! That leaves the big and for the near future question of whether the Police Unions (which are VERY strong) are going to fight "tooth +nail" for ALL their members-right or wrong. The Atlanta shooting appears to be an overreach for one so-called "bad apple", or at best an over-zealous apple. Remember, society's attitudes change and there seems to be a power shift FROM less adversarial Policingmethods toward a softer, citizen's safety 1st, community uplifting attitude nationwide.

[GoodLife]

It seems to be nationwide-like a work slowdown-a historical union tactic. For example in Atlanta, about 6 or 8 of their Police Force outright resigned. And many are slow in answering calls. Their Union seems worried about the BAD publicity about the recent Atlanta Police shooting and nationwide anti-Police MOOD. All Unions tend to have a "all for 1 and 1 for all" CREDO! That leaves the big and for the near future question of whether the Police Unions (which are VERY strong) are going to fight "tooth +nail" for ALL their members-right or wrong. The Atlanta shooting appears to be an overreach for one so-called "bad apple", or at best an over-zealous apple. Remember, society's attitudes change and there seems to be a power shift FROM less adversarial Policingmethods toward a softer, citizen's safety 1st, community uplifting attitude nationwide.

So police union work slowdowns are causing more shootings in NYC? :shocked:

I'm sure a softer citizens safety community uplifting approach will have the great results seen in CHAZ.

[PugMom]

it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom

[mtlee024]

This what is expected and will happen everywhere. When Government and politicians, take action to undermine and stop policing activities, the bad guys (and others), take this as an OK to do whatever they want to with impunity. It is now mob rules, anarchy, and anything goes because our politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing and follow the law. Stay safe and chamber up.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom freedom to have a gun and have the 19 highest murder rate in USA crowded in with all there southern state brothers while all the north eastern states some of the lowest murder rates

[Stu from NYC]

This what is expected and will happen everywhere. When Government and politicians, take action to undermine and stop policing activities, the bad guys (and others), take this as an OK to do whatever they want to with impunity. It is now mob rules, anarchy, and anything goes because our politicians don't have the guts to do the right thing and follow the law. Stay safe and chamber up.

Luckily for their citizens NYC and Chicago have strict gun control laws or who knows how bad this violence could have been.

[jimjamuser]

If Giuliani were major, this would not be happening. I’m a born and raised NYer and began my working career during the 70s. You couldn’t walk through the streets without climbing over homeless and being accosted by windshield washers intimidating you when you parked at a red light. A marked difference during Giuliani in the 90s. You actually were inclined to hang around the city to go to a show and have a bite to eat. Because he empowered the police and supported them.
I believe ALL that. And kudos to Rudy G. for THAT. But, he seems to have changed in his older years and may (?) be engaging in nefarious acts himself such as $ laundering?

[jimjamuser]

Like you, I too am saddened and fearful. People are crazy, but the leaders of the crazies are crazy like foxes. They know that the continued weakening of our responses to lawlessness and the pandering of political leaders to special interests due to threats of various kinds is working. I believe that the majority of decent, honest people truly support equality for all, but the crazy foxes have succeeded in getting us to focus on and squabble over details, individual events and past injustices, thus making it near impossible to agree on what really needs to be done to set a proper foundation for moving ahead.
The aim of the crazy foxes, is the destruction of our country. They don't want to rock the boat, they want to tip the boat over.
I want and welcome diversity in my country and my community. But, I also welcome law and order equally applied to all. As long as there are those who prey and abuse others the laws must be enforced, order maintained and correcting measures applied equally to all.
Please stay safe. Please stay healthy. Peace.
Interesting post. Very subtle at arriving at the point. Gentlemanlike.

[jimjamuser]

Apparently Grant did not do a good enough job defeating the confederacy because his statues are being defaced and toppled.
If that is sarcasm, then kudos. If not, negative kudos.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe because it's in the COTUS and the Founding Father's didn't want a...


Military Dictatorship (click here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship)


...as our form of government? :oops:

In fact, the FF's weren't in favor of a standing army...in the first place.


Personally, I would prefer a DRAFTED Police force and Military to a volunteer one!

[jimjamuser]

The criminals know that the police are scarce due to them leaving the force or retiring. These bad people are having a field day with little or no consequences.
A main reason for the fewer beat and other Police coverage goes back to tax law passed in the George w. era and the current tax change. It leaves less $ to trickle down to State and local police Forces.

[jimjamuser]

Yup …. It's a sad state of affairs. But thankfully, we have the 2nd Amendment, and it's so easy to exercise. Only a few states suppress it …..New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey and Illinois (and maybe a couple more).
I always carry when travelling, and sometimes while here. But methinks that I should carry all the time. After all, TV is considered a "soft target".
Right, and we all should "go to the mattresses".

[jimjamuser]

In the photo of the 35 year old man in the link you gave, he is giving a gang hand symbol. Frankly, I don’t mind if gang members kill other gang members, so long as they don’t shoot non-members. But last week, wasn’t there a man in Ocala who was shot in the neck by a stray bullet while driving past a gun fight in progress? I would love for the police to protect everyone who wants to be protected, but what do you do if they don’t want to be protected? It’s a difficult situation. Do you give people what they want or what they need? And what if the people who wanted to defund the police then complain that they aren’t being protected? Life is rather confusing and difficult these days.
My wife said over a year ago that the US of A is rapidly becoming the US of another 3rd world country. Fro example, the widening wealth disparity created partially by tax laws.

[jimjamuser]

2016 fl 12.6 per 100, 2,704 murdered New York 4.4 pe 100, 900 murdered murder rank by state 2018 Florida 19 New York 47 Massachusetts 49 . I am also happy to say that my state of Massachusetts has either the lowest percent of murders 3.4 per 100, or the next lowest for last 20 years I’m also very happy to say it’s almost impossible to get a permit to carry a gun, I can also tell you that for almost 40 in a he most dangerous places in world I used a gun I would never know ever have one since I stopped working again
Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $.

[jimjamuser]

So police union work slowdowns are causing more shootings in NYC? :shocked:

I'm sure a softer citizens safety community uplifting approach will have the great results seen in CHAZ.
CHAZ is a social aberration today and may be moot. It is, however, scaring many right-handed pitchers. Societies are ALWAYS in FLUX!

[jimjamuser]

it's one of the many reasons we left the northeast. it was out of control back then, & has only gotten worse. the way things are going, i can't see it ever going back to the prosperous & safe area it once was. we knew Fl was 1 of the last strongholds of american freedom
Next stop----Alaska, the REAL last fontier!

[jimjamuser]

Next stop----Alaska, the REAL last fontier!
Make that frontier.

[DonnaNi4os]

Without getting political, removing law enforcement from cities seems like a huge mistake. It is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Guns are legal in NY as far as I know, provided you are licensed. But who believes that people who use guns illegally will bother to obtain them in a legal manner? Inquiring minds want to know.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $. it is as a little confusing I was just trying to make a point about not needing a gun in my home

[ColdNoMore]

Last sentence-confusing. The earlier makes sense. Do not tell that to the NRA, which used to be about hunting in the 50s and 60s. Now it has gone all "gung ho" for $.

1. Create anger, hatred and a fear ("THEY" are coming to take all of your guns away").

2. Manufacture a target for that fear (no need to state the obvious).

3. Make as much money as possible, off of those gullible enough...to believe that fear. :oops:


It's Capitalism and...the "American Way." :D

[mixsonci]

It is just so hard to believe how stupid these officials/politicians are. I can't believe what is happening in this country. What the hell is going on? Who the hell are these crazy people? I am saddened and fearful.
I totally agree with you, it is so scary where all this is headed!!!