Day of reckoning has arrived for NASCAR and its fans

[ColdNoMore]

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It's About Time! (start your engine here) (http://www.yahoo.com/sports/day-of-reckoning-has-arrived-for-nascar-and-its-fans-112847929.html)

Within minutes of arriving in the infield at the first race I covered for Yahoo Sports, back in early 2008, I saw, propped on the back of a pickup truck, a whiteboard with a crudely scrawled racist caricature of then-presidential candidate Barack Obama.

During one of my first visits to the lawless reaches of Turn 3 in the Daytona infield, a shirtless fan behind a makeshift bar pointed at me and a colleague and shouted a racial slur at us, cackling all the way. He wasn’t using it as any kind of identifier; it was clearly the nastiest thing he could think to say to us, and he wanted to see our reaction.

Each time, I blew off the racism as unfortunate, sure, but just part and parcel of NASCAR’s heritage. I’m not proud of that, in retrospect, but I’m not alone. So has virtually every other person who has ever attended a race and come into contact with the sometimes-subtle, always-present undercurrent of racism.

Good ol’ boys are the foundation of NASCAR, the excuse goes. Sure, sometimes they go too far. But you run them off, and what’s left?

NASCAR needs the good ol’ boys.

Not anymore. Not if the sport wants to survive.

[thomp679]

You beat me to this topic, but I wanted to share a video that is representative of where we need to go as a nation. I think it is rather heartfelt. Its from the opening of today's NASCAR race which was rained out yesterday. Awesome solidarity by a sport that has deep southern roots.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4yGn7Oiwv4)

[JoMar]

NASCAR has been dying for a long time. Large sponsor turnover, fans not showing up, ratings down (unless it's the only game in town). I used to be a fan, I left years ago.....now go to the local tracks in Inverness, Tampa, etc. Maybe Bubba is right and there will be a new fan base supporting the sport. Why did I leave? Nitpiking regulations, too many penalties/suspensions, loss of racing legacy for a few.

[nututv]

I don't think they remember who made them so popular to start out with. (hint) It was never the elite. I never cared for the sport myself but that was only because they made left turns only.
Watching a Nascar race at Mid Ohio or Riverside was a blast but still nowhere near as great as Australian V8 supercars.

[ColdNoMore]

I don't think they remember who made them so popular to start out with. (hint) It was never the elite. I never cared for the sport myself but that was only because they made left turns only.
Watching a Nascar race at Mid Ohio or Riverside was a blast but still nowhere near as great as Australian V8 supercars.

I think most folks know by now, exactly who/what were a significant number of NASCAR'S 'original fan base.'

Thanks for at least being honest. :ohdear:

[graciegirl]

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It's About Time! (start your engine here) (http://www.yahoo.com/sports/day-of-reckoning-has-arrived-for-nascar-and-its-fans-112847929.html)

Nothing wrong with "Good Ole Boys" if you mean Southern men who work outdoors and in the fields and raise live stock and go to Church on Sunday with a hangover from drinking too much on Saturday night. Nothing wrong with Hillbillies who work in Coal Mines either. Nothing wrong with Rednecks who didn't get past High School but made a fortune doing electrical work and saving their money. Nothing wrong with Farmers and Policemen and people who work in the trash industry. Nothing wrong with them any more than with people who push pencils in Government jobs or dream up gooney philosophies to teach gullible college students in the liberal art programs. Nothing much wrong with anyone who is gainfully employed except for drug dealers. I don't cotton to them much.

[Number 10 GI]

I think most folks know by now, exactly who/what were a significant number of NASCAR'S 'original fan base.'

Thanks for at least being honest. :ohdear:

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

[ColdNoMore]

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

There's a lot more than just myself, who are willing to finally stand up and say something about racism/bigotry (add misogyny/xenophobia/sexism/Etc. to that list)...and that petrifies a lot of other folks.

What we're seeing & hearing now, from a lot of people, is the shameful and disgusting echo of those who fought against...the Civil Rights (AND Women's Suffrage) movements. :ho:

[nututv]

I think most folks know by now, exactly who/what were a significant number of NASCAR'S 'original fan base.'

Thanks for at least being honest.

Once again you've drawn a conclusion. The wrong one. Where did Nascar get it's start? From a bunch of Moonshiners building faster cars and then racing them. Who hinted at racism? It sure wasn't me.
Are you implying southerners/moonshiners/race fans are racists? Why how racist of you.
Hypocrisy | Definition of Hypocrisy by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy)

[GoodLife]

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It's About Time! (start your engine here) (http://www.yahoo.com/sports/day-of-reckoning-has-arrived-for-nascar-and-its-fans-112847929.html)

Hold your horses, this may be a case of mistaken identity or even a hoax.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/nascar-noose-story-may-hoax-case-mistaken-identity-308136/

[nututv]

Hold your horses, this may be a case of mistaken identity or even a hoax.

haha. Waaay too funny if that's the case.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Nothing wrong with "Good Ole Boys" if you mean Southern men who work outdoors and in the fields and raise live stock and go to Church on Sunday with a hangover from drinking too much on Saturday night. Nothing wrong with Hillbillies who work in Coal Mines either. Nothing wrong with Rednecks who didn't get past High School but made a fortune doing electrical work and saving their money. Nothing wrong with Farmers and Policemen and people who work in the trash industry. Nothing wrong with them any more than with people who push pencils in Government jobs or dream up gooney philosophies to teach gullible college students in the liberal art programs. Nothing much wrong with anyone who is gainfully employed except for drug dealers. I don't cotton to them much.

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

[nututv]

It was only illegal because the govt couldn't get their share of the profits. Had absolutely Zip to do with racism. Remember Reefer Madness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness). The stuff was just horrible.... until Uncle Sam got his share. Now it's perfectly OK and I may add, waaay better than a bag of Mexican, Colombian or even Maui Wowee.
Come to think of it, reading some of this forum lately, ya'll could use some. haha

[ColdNoMore]

It was only illegal because the govt couldn't get their share of the profits. Had absolutely Zip to do with racism. Remember Reefer Madness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness). The stuff was just horrible.... until Uncle Sam got his share. Now it's perfectly OK and I may add, waaay better than a bag of Mexican, Colombian or even Maui Wowee.

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Now that's Da Kind of statement...that's interesting. :1rotfl:

[nututv]

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Now that's Da Kind of statement...that's interesting. :1rotfl:

GMO is your friend. Well it's mine anyway.

[graciegirl]

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

Yeah. Lot of that goin' on. Even in those fancy big cities on the East Coast. I saw it in movies. Yes. There it is. Right. Agree.

So WHAT?

I see your moonshine and raise you PCP. They rip off their clothes and bite people.

[Stu from NYC]

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

She must be a lot of fun to work with.

[golfing eagles]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[eyc234]

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.

:ohdear: Missed the mark again with the facts. The moonshiners were not racing each other they were racing to outrun the people chasing them to arrest them for breaking the law.

[ColdNoMore]

You beat me to this topic, but I wanted to share a video that is representative of where we need to go as a nation. I think it is rather heartfelt. Its from the opening of today's NASCAR race which was rained out yesterday. Awesome solidarity by a sport that has deep southern roots.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4yGn7Oiwv4)

While thank goodness the noose wasn't aimed at Bubba, everything else in the article I posted to start the thread...sadly still applies. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

While thank goodness the noose wasn't aimed at Bubba, everything else in the article I posted to start the thread...sadly still applies. :ohdear:

Fake but accurate? I've heard about that type of news before.

[thomp679]

It must be tough to be the only non-racist in this country. A friends daughter who is half Hispanic and half white sees racism in everyone and everything. For someone who thinks the country is so racist she has done very well. She went to college at a very good university on a ROTC scholarship and got a degree in civil engineering. She then went into the Air Force upon graduation, served a short tour in Iraq and then was assigned a teaching position at the Air Force Academy. She got out after 10 years and started working for the Army Corps of Engineers where she makes a 6 figure income and holds a very responsible position. Yes, the racist system really treated her badly.
She is an intelligent, hard working young woman who got where she is at through her efforts. But that's not supposed to be possible, minorities in this country are denied this type of opportunity regardless of how hard they try.

Your opinion is flawed. Racism doesn't prevent success, but it can make it extremely harder. Even a successful person of color still faces racism every day. There are many white people who do not face racism, yet do not achieve well in life. Trying to put on correlation between racism and success is incorrect.

[Bay Kid]

Well more fake news. BLM buddy Bubba's noose turns out to be another lie to get attention. What a joke. Does Bubba apologize? At this moment he is continuing his BLM hate on national tv.

[ColdNoMore]

Fake but accurate? I've heard about that type of news before.

While that's not true in this case, given the plethora of cases from particular entities where it IS true...I do believe you when you say you're familiar with the practice. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

Your opinion is flawed. Racism doesn't prevent success, but it can make it extremely harder. Even a successful person of color still faces racism every day. There are many white people who do not face racism, yet do not achieve well in life. Trying to put on correlation between racism and success is incorrect.

Well stated...and oh-so-true. :thumbup:

[Topspinmo]

Well then I guess you don't cotton to NASCAR much. The entire existence of the sport owes itself to the drug-smuggling trade. The drug of choice in the case of NASCAR: moonshine whiskey. NASCAR is the child of the prohibition. Not an adopted child, not a step-child, not a "distant relations" child. But the direct descendant. It began with moonshine runners racing each other on the roads to their destinations. They continued smuggling the stuff even after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment, and eventually became a sport even after the smuggling business lost its attraction.


Wow, just wow!

[17362]

The greatest enemy of the people is the people trying to divide each other. This will be the countries downfall.
Respect one another.
Love one another.
Accept one another. -That’s the hardest one.

You can disagree with a persons view, but still respect, love and accept each person and as a whole. Carry this with you even on the smallest of actions. - that my moto.
(moto: A motivational speech or situation)
If more people did this.. wow could you imagine our world?!
But that takes a lot of learned “understanding” on each persons part.

[nututv]

The greatest enemy of the people is the people trying to divide each other. This will be the countries downfall.
Respect one another.
Love one another.
Accept one another. -That’s the hardest one.

You can disagree with a persons view, but still respect, love and accept each person and as a whole. Carry this with you even on the smallest of actions. - that my moto.
(moto: A motivational speech or situation)
If more people did this.. wow could you imagine our world?!
But that takes a lot of learned “understanding” on each persons part.

Too many rats in the cage at this point in history. It's division sure but it's also just hate, frustration, hunger etc. Put too many of anything in a small area and they'll whittle their own numbers down.
I'm confident the chaos will become far worse and more frequent. I'm not forecasting the EOW but it's going to get plenty ugly in so many ways here very soon. You ain't seen nuthin yet as they say.

[GoodLife]

While that's not true in this case, given the plethora of cases from particular entities where it IS true...I do believe you when you say you're familiar with the practice. :ho:

It's not true in this case? tee hee

Here is excerpt from the link in OP

Sunday night marked a tipping point for NASCAR. Sunday night, the series disclosed that someone had left a noose — the symbol of this nation’s original sin, the undeniable message of intimidation, a sign so cruel and cutting it defies imagination — in the garage stall of Bubba Wallace, the Cup series’ lone Black driver.

Nobody left a noose, the rope pulldowns with loop knots have been there at least since 2017.

It seemed a relic from an earlier era, a time of black-and-white Civil Rights photographs, where casual racism was as evident as the cruelty on the faces of people who would grow up to be the grandparents of some of today’s NASCAR fans.

There was no "relic" just a simple loop knot which most of the garages at Talladega have.

And, for a NASCAR garage, it seemed all too believable. There’s your tipping point right there. Whether this was done as intimidation, or prank gone wrong, or any of a dozen other reasons ranging from stupidity to conspiracy, it seemed absolutely logical that someone associated with NASCAR would stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act possible short of actual violence.

Sorry, no tipping point, FBI concluded it was not racist intimidation. Somebody from Nascar did stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act. His name is Bubba Wallace. He is still claiming this is a racist hate crime.

[ColdNoMore]

SNIP...>Somebody from Nascar did stoop to the lowest, most cowardly, most despicable act.

His name is Bubba Wallace.

He is still claiming this is a racist hate crime.

Puhleeze just stop obfuscating, spreading lies and implying that HE thinks...it was directed at him.

Because he's not. :oops:

Here's what he actually said...and he is absolutely correct.

Start Engine Here (http://www.wftv.com/news/trending/fbi-says-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime-noose-incident/HJMNHMOCF5DH7BKEBWUATIRKWQ/)


“I’ve never seen anything like it,” Wallace said. “Whether it was tied in 2019 or not, whenever, it was a noose.

It wasn’t directed at me, but somebody tied it.”

Wallace said he is angry with people who are claiming the noose claim was a hoax.

1. It WAS a "noose" (found and reported by someone else)...not just a run-of-the-mill "loop."

2. Nooses have historically been used to try and intimidate black people, due to their association with the horrible and disgusting history of lynching blacks (where bringing the kids and picnic lunch was often done), sometimes for the simple 'allegation'... of just looking at a white woman. :mad:

Nooses are still left/found all over this country in public places...for the sole purpose to try and intimidate blacks.

How come you, and so many others, are not outraged...or disgusted with THAT?

No answer expected or needed...of course.

Nooses used to intimidate blacks (http://wamu.org/story/17/06/05/from-segregation-to-today-how-the-noose-is-used-to-intimidate-african-americans/)
From Segregation To Today: How The Noose Is Used To Intimidate African Americans

If you're really interested in "HATE," start looking in the right place...which isn't from the noose incident.

It's mostly coming from the white people who are livid that the confederate flag has been banned at NASCAR events and that Bubba's Richard Petty car DARES to have a...BLACK LIVES MATTER wrap on it. :oops:

Maybe what NASCAR really needs to start doing with their fans, and others...is to start handing out mirrors? ;)


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[GoodLife]

Puhleeze just stop obfuscating, spreading lies and implying that HE thinks...it was directed at him.

Because he's not. :oops:

Here's what he actually said...and he is absolutely correct.

Start Engine Here (http://www.wftv.com/news/trending/fbi-says-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime-noose-incident/HJMNHMOCF5DH7BKEBWUATIRKWQ/)



1. It WAS a "noose" (found and reported by someone else)...not just a run-of-the-mill "loop."

2. Nooses have historically been used to try and intimidate black people, due to their association with the horrible and disgusting history of lynching blacks (where bringing the kids and picnic lunch was often done), sometimes for the simple 'allegation'... of just looking at a white woman. :mad:

Nooses are still left/found all over this country in public places...for the sole purpose to try and intimidate blacks.

How come you, and so many others, are not outraged...or disgusted with THAT?

No answer expected or needed...of course.

Nooses used to intimidate blacks (http://wamu.org/story/17/06/05/from-segregation-to-today-how-the-noose-is-used-to-intimidate-african-americans/)


If you're really interested in "HATE," start looking in the right place...which isn't from the noose incident.

It's mostly coming from the white people who are livid that the confederate flag has been banned at NASCAR events and that Bubba's Richard Petty car DARES to have a...BLACK LIVES MATTER wrap on it. :oops:

Maybe what NASCAR really needs to start doing with their fans, and others...is to start handing out mirrors? ;)


:wave:

Uh huh That's what he said after the hoax was discovered. Before the FBI report he was calling it a hate crime against him personally. OOPS

Lets see what you yourself say about loops and nooses.

Today:

It WAS a noose...not just a run-of-the-mill "loop."

Yesterday in the other thread:

People need to educate themselves on the difference between a "loop" and a "noose." They are NOT the same...nor are they tied the same.

While every door has a "rope," (probably a lot with some type of "loop" at the end and probably some with a simple knot at the end)...there is NOT a "noose" in every stall at Talladega.

Care to explain?

The loop on the rope pulldown on Bubba's stall is the same as all the other ones at Talladega. There are photos and videos of them all over the internet.

If you have proof Bubba's loop was actually tied in a noose knot please post it. Bubba statements that it was a straight up noose hold no water at this point.

Isn't it strange that no photos of Bubba's "noose" have been released to the public. Simple way to prove it was different from the loops on all the other garages.

[Bay Kid]

Fake noose. Bubba's contribution to BLM.

[GoodLife]

Fake noose. Bubba's contribution to BLM.

Bubba now admits it wasn't a functioning noose, just a door pull down, but it's still a noose! He keeps changing his story, not the best sign of someone telling the truth. He is a national joke now and has pretty much torched his career. Just like Jussie Smollett.

Bubba Wallace

Best Race Card Driver ever

[ColdNoMore]

:oops:

Bubba never saw it...nor reported it.

But there are those, who want to try and tie him to and claim he's the same as Smollet...and his disgusting stunt.

Anyone want to hazard a guess (go ahead, it's not really that hard to figure out ;))...as to what's behind THAT?

While we're guessing, anyone have an idea when a certain demographic will get over banning the confederate flag at NASCAR races...and Bubba's Richard Petty racing car having a BLM wrap?

I'm going to bet the over and say...NEVER. :ohdear:


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[chet2020]

Uh huh That's what he said after the hoax was discovered. Before the FBI report he was calling it a hate crime against him personally. OOPS

Lets see what you yourself say about loops and nooses.

Today:

It WAS a noose...not just a run-of-the-mill "loop."

Yesterday in the other thread:

People need to educate themselves on the difference between a "loop" and a "noose." They are NOT the same...nor are they tied the same.

While every door has a "rope," (probably a lot with some type of "loop" at the end and probably some with a simple knot at the end)...there is NOT a "noose" in every stall at Talladega.

Care to explain?

The loop on the rope pulldown on Bubba's stall is the same as all the other ones at Talladega. There are photos and videos of them all over the internet.

If you have proof Bubba's loop was actually tied in a noose knot please post it. Bubba statements that it was a straight up noose hold no water at this point.

Isn't it strange that no photos of Bubba's "noose" have been released to the public. Simple way to prove it was different from the loops on all the other garages.

Really, you couldn't find pics of the noose? Anyway, here you go, footage from Dec '19 showing the garage pull tied into a noose. 1:10 mark. Garage #4 is the only garage with a garage pull tied into a noose. This is from the NBC Nightly News last night. The FBI apparently has other footage showing the noose from Oct '19. Bubba Wallace did not see the noose, did not report the noose. The Pres of NASCAR is the one who publicized this and now says he erred on the side of caution. Bubba Wallace says the noose was not directed at him.

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74FAukRj2so)

[Bay Kid]

CBS is still riding the Noose story as real this morning. Even had Bubba's Dad on the show. Really? It is a BLM matter agenda.

Fake Noose