Food for thought or a call to arms???

[rsibole]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.

[Stu from NYC]

If your considering here in the Villages would think too many people here have firearms and know how to use them.

[nututv]

If your considering here in the Villages would think too many people here have firearms and know how to use them.

It's a fairly conservative place. They may want to research a more soft target.

[Bogie Shooter]

Fear, fear................

[nututv]

Fear, fear................

Agreed but situational awareness is always a good idea. I've thought about the very same thing, honestly don't know why it hasn't happened yet.

[gatorbill1]

I would worry more about White Naturalists who pretend to be antifa or another group. A lot of them in Florida

[nututv]

I would worry more about White Naturalists who pretend to be antifa or another group. A lot of them in Florida
White Naturalists are an ok group I've found anyway. lol

[Stu from NYC]

White Naturalists are an ok group I've found anyway. lol

One even told me what type of tree I had in my front yard.

[nututv]

One even told me what type of tree I had in my front yard.

Now the white naturists... they come out swinging!

[Chatbrat]

Just stock up on "claymore" simulated models & put them around your house-

People would have to be nuts to try any planned attack here--they're totally outgunned, lots of retired LEO's & military here

[nututv]

Just stock up on "claymore" simulated models & put them around your house-

I had one with a brush on top for my shoes at the front door. Only a few understood what it was. lol

[fdpaq0580]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.

Food for thought? Certainly!

[ALadysMom]

Last night I was trying to put myself in another’s shoes.

The shoes I tried on were worn with a blue shirt with a badge on it.

I thought about how demoralizing and bizarrely upside-down it must feel to have the ‘Big guys’ Like the Mayor or the Governor tell you to

arrest people who are trying to earn a living like shop owners & other people who aren’t wearing masks or staying 6 feet apart

AND then be told by those same decision makers

to stand-down & watch rioters & looters who are stealIng & destroying & endangering the future of entire communities, if not the nation

Crazy.

Gave me a whole new insight into their job requirements.

[Chatbrat]

It not about race, the way things are going, its about criminals trying to use the guise of social & historical justice as a cover for criminality-there are plenty of retired villagers of color who have served in the military or were LEO's --I'm willing to bet they too will do "the right thing" if push comes to shove

[John41]

loved the admonition the Sheriff of Polk county gave rioters when they threatened to loot the suburban areas in his county.

[Gpsma]

Not enough liberal white running dogs here to worry about. Wildhood isnt an area to riot, not enough good stores.

Villages are armed to the teeth.

Nothing much to worry about other than if u go off the reservation...then carry two guns

[Stu from NYC]

loved the admonition the Sheriff of Polk county gave rioters when they threatened to loot the suburban areas in his county.

What did he say?

[tophcfa]

I wouldn't consider the Villages a soft target. One would be hard pressed to find a place with a larger percentage of retired LEO's and Military who are all very well trained in how to use a firearm.

[anothersteve]

What did he say?

The whole video is a must watch, but you can skip to about 7:20

YouTube (https://youtu.be/nwFuXu665-k)

Steve

[LoisR]

Are you also worried about the sky falling? Worry more about the politicians who take advantage of TV demographics.

[Girlcopper]

loved the admonition the Sheriff of Polk county gave rioters when they threatened to loot the suburban areas in his county.
Yep. We should have more sheriffs like him. Encourages people to arm and protect themselves. Plus, gives the cops the tools to do their job AND backs them up. I was hoping some of the idiots would try to start something there. Would have made for a fantastic evening show watching them be chased out of town

[Bay Kid]

So all this BS is a war against white people. Nothing really to do with the past.

[Pennyt]

What scares me is the thought of a bunch of old white men hopped up on medication waving their guns around thinking some group is trying to take away their stuff. OMG people.

[MandoMan]

It not about race, the way things are going, its about criminals trying to use the guise of social & historical justice as a cover for criminality-there are plenty of retired villagers of color who have served in the military or were LEO's --I'm willing to bet they too will do "the right thing" if push comes to shove

Did you see the article in this morning’s paper about the guy with license plate lights out, an expired drivers’, and bags of heroin and cocaine in his pocket who tried to evade two sheriff’s deputies when they tried to pull him over, leaped out of his truck and tried to outrun them, then got tased and arrested?

I wonder if he thought as he ran that these might be his last moments of life. And I wonder if the deputies were thinking that these might be the last moments of their careers.

What a strange world. I want to thank the deputies for both keeping us safe and keeping their guns holstered. It must have been terrifying for all involved. I wonder what the sentence will be. Probably it will be suspended.

[gbs317]

This is not a war against white people. It is a war against history and education. In history we learn about our failures and successes in education we learn from them and strive not to repeat the failures. To the rioters the only way for change is destruction but they, both black and white, have no plans to make effective changes for good or for that matter no ambitions to put the work into that change peacefully.
For myself I will open my arms and mind to those who want to discuss and try and make peaceful changes for the good of all but beware those who force their actions of violence upon my family or myself. I will protect all that I have worked for and loved ones and face the consequences for the defense of such.

[tabasile]

It would be Armegeddon here. When the Villages gun club was first meeting, the line was out the door for people to join up. LOL, the problem would be to avoid the crossfire.

[fdpaq0580]

Did you see the article in this morning’s paper about the guy with license plate lights out, an expired drivers’, and bags of heroin and cocaine in his pocket who tried to evade two sheriff’s deputies when they tried to pull him over, leaped out of his truck and tried to outrun them, then got tased and arrested?

I wonder if he thought as he ran that these might be his last moments of life. And I wonder if the deputies were thinking that these might be the last moments of their careers.

What a strange world. I want to thank the deputies for both keeping us safe and keeping their guns holstered. It must have been terrifying for all involved. I wonder what the sentence will be. Probably it will be suspended.

"Thank the deputies". AMEN to that! They deserve our thanks.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

What did he say?

You have to love Sheriff Grady Judd, he said, “you loot in Polk County, prepare to be shot” (I don’t exactly remember the words, but that is what he meant)

[noslices1]

If you’re talking about TV, just remember American Legion Post 347 is the largest Legion post in the country and there are more Veterans in TV than you can shake a stick at and also, hundreds of members in the Straight Shooters Club and Over 100,000 firearms in the hands of Villagers, so they would be making a huge mistake if they thought a bunch of “old people” would be an easy target.

[ColdNoMore]

Trying to push or manufacture a race war...is beyond despicable and disgusting. :oops:

[dennisgavin]

What scares me is the thought of a bunch of old white men hopped up on medication waving their guns around thinking some group is trying to take away their stuff. OMG people.

You obviously don't know about the reality of owning a licensed gun. Their are so many rules about having, storing and using them that it makes it very difficult to have them at the ready. Those who own them usually practice at the range where there are many safety requirements. It's not like the movies (made by liberal Hollywood producers who supposedly are against guns but make billions off the movies they make with more shooting and killing than in a Chicago weekend). All the guns owners I know are very safety conscience and responsible. HOWEVER if pushed against the wall they DO know how to use their guns.

[Guitarman1951]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.

We all know the facts. More whites are killed by cops than blacks and there are some untrained or bad cops out there. These groups choose to ignore facts and make it their objective to make it all look much worse than it is. It wouldn't surprise me that they would target the Villages. Just hope the governor wouldn't hesitate to bring in the National Guard to stop this stupid, evil action.

[Byte1]

I do not care about anyone's reasoning in regards to their motivation for rioting and looting. If they cross my path with violent intention, they will be put down like any rabid animal, period. If he/she happens to be black, white, red or yellow and think they are making a statement, then they are in for a big disappointment because I don't see color when someone is breaking the law and/or threatening me or my family and property. I am a firm believer in the saying that it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I have absolutely no patience for ANYONE that destroys property or assaults someone unprovoked. To those liberals that are anti-firearm and worry about "old people" owning firearms, I wonder how much you would be worried if someone breaks into your home and rapes or threatens other bodily harm to you and your family. Your "old" neighbor with a gun is sure to be welcome then, huh? There may be instances of accidental firearm discharges in the Villages, but I do not know of any. AND hundreds of Villagers own firearms. Many of them (possibly your neighbors) carry concealed every time they leave the house. Of course, there are many that have never touched a firearm that are armchair experts on the subject and believe that NO ONE should own a gun.
Believe me, if the rioters came to The Villages, they would be turned away immediately. And the pacifists can rest easy, because they won't have to lift a hand. They can sit back and criticize after the fact, like they do on here every day.
GOD bless the Police that serve us. I have known hundreds of law enforcement officers. I have only known a few bad COPs but NO crooked COPs. And GOD bless those retirees that are still willing to take up arms to protect family and neighbors. They are the true patriots in America.

[Taltarzac725]

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiaGeqmUe-U)

This thread would make Clint Eastwood proud. Or, maybe not.

[gatorbill1]

A scary sight would be all the villagers with their guns that could not see good enough to drive a car (or cart). Run for cover

[PugMom]

If your considering here in the Villages would think too many people here have firearms and know how to use them.
bingo!

[Taltarzac725]

A scary sight would be all the villagers with their guns that could not see good enough to drive a car (or cart). Run for cover

Or who have Alzheimer's and do not know what day it is nor much of what is going on in the world.

I doubt if the hard up citizens of Minneapolis and other ethnically diverse cities would get on a bus and come down to the Villages to pillage. For one thing, the FBI would be alerted quickly before they got out of the Minnesota state line as they are many good people out there wanting all this shameful mob like behavior to stop. Even if there are some people in America who love pandering to the mob.

[Stu from NYC]

I do not care about anyone's reasoning in regards to their motivation for rioting and looting. If they cross my path with violent intention, they will be put down like any rabid animal, period. If he/she happens to be black, white, red or yellow and think they are making a statement, then they are in for a big disappointment because I don't see color when someone is breaking the law and/or threatening me or my family and property. I am a firm believer in the saying that it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I have absolutely no patience for ANYONE that destroys property or assaults someone unprovoked. To those liberals that are anti-firearm and worry about "old people" owning firearms, I wonder how much you would be worried if someone breaks into your home and rapes or threatens other bodily harm to you and your family. Your "old" neighbor with a gun is sure to be welcome then, huh? There may be instances of accidental firearm discharges in the Villages, but I do not know of any. AND hundreds of Villagers own firearms. Many of them (possibly your neighbors) carry concealed every time they leave the house. Of course, there are many that have never touched a firearm that are armchair experts on the subject and believe that NO ONE should own a gun.
Believe me, if the rioters came to The Villages, they would be turned away immediately. And the pacifists can rest easy, because they won't have to lift a hand. They can sit back and criticize after the fact, like they do on here every day.
GOD bless the Police that serve us. I have known hundreds of law enforcement officers. I have only known a few bad COPs but NO crooked COPs. And GOD bless those retirees that are still willing to take up arms to protect family and neighbors. They are the true patriots in America.

Excellent post thank you

[PugMom]

Trying to push or manufacture a race war...is beyond despicable and disgusting. :oops:
agreed, but it looks like some really want that

[jmpalladino]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.

This is the type of nonsense that has divided this nation since before the civil war, and can still seen to exists by the above posting. We should all be ashamed of this type of thinking from Americas, but that is just the point is it not!

[kanoa1kale2]

Did you see the article in this morning’s paper about the guy with license plate lights out, an expired drivers’, and bags of heroin and cocaine in his pocket who tried to evade two sheriff’s deputies when they tried to pull him over, leaped out of his truck and tried to outrun them, then got tased and arrested?

I wonder if he thought as he ran that these might be his last moments of life. And I wonder if the deputies were thinking that these might be the last moments of their careers.

What a strange world. I want to thank the deputies for both keeping us safe and keeping their guns holstered. It must have been terrifying for all involved. I wonder what the sentence will be. Probably it will be suspended.

Quite honestly, anyone who complains about what happens when the Leos have to take down a criminal should be required to go through the police training course on situational responses. There have been a few activists who took the course and came out with a completely different attitude. Their job is very difficult and decisions made in milliseconds have profound effects on peoples lives.Those who have not been in a similar situation have no clue regarding the stress and consequences of both action and inaction.

[billethkid]

This is the type of nonsense that has divided this nation since before the civil war, and can still seen to exists by the above posting. We should all be ashamed of this type of thinking from Americas, but that is just the point is it not!

Given what is going on in Seattle, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, DC......would that be considered cause for concern about dividing America?

Discussing what to do if that or similar activity were to show up in our back yard is most certainly not divisive.

It is very, VERY simple. There are laws of the land that when violated there needs to be enforcement.

Too many politicians of today are not prepared to do what it takes to maintain law and order.......mainly as a result of being concerned for being re-elected.

As a result today our freedoms are at risk because of the few who have magically become untouchable and above the law.

[Taltarzac725]

Now that is hilarious considering what is happening in America.

These very hard up people of various cities could not afford to get on a plane and come down to the Villages. Most are just trying to survive day-to-day in very troubled areas where they live.

Given what is going on in Seattle, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, DC......would that be considered cause for concern about dividing America?

Discussing what to do if that or similar activity were to show up in our back yard is most certainly not divisive.

It is very, VERY simple. There are laws of the land that when violated there needs to be enforcement.

Too many politicians of today are not prepared to do what it takes to maintain law and order.......mainly as a result of being concerned for being re-elected.

As a result today our freedoms are at risk because of the few who have magically become untouchable and above the law.

[Ramone]

What, white naturalist looking for flowers?

[Taltarzac725]

What, white naturalist looking for flowers?

Now that is funny.

There is a nudist colony not too far from the Villages. Maybe they will decide to invade here. We could at least tell that they were not armed in any way unless they had been retired special forces or assassins of some kind.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

If you never have and even if you have fired a gun at somebody the adrenaline rushing through your body at the average age here would probably kill you before your enemy attacking the villages ( big sigh here)some of the guys here I see carrying weapons and yes 40 years in many dangerous places in the world tips me of to most who are carrying Scares me more then some invader. No guns for me anymore , don’t even lock my door here , let the police and insurance protect me lol

[Jensor17]

Amen. My two men were police. Husband and son Who gave 52 years to citizens in Baltimore city and BaltImore County. We lived through the riots of April 1968, April 2015. Now as years go by, There is nothing peaceful about protests —officers being yelled at while protecting mayor and Governor’s offices and being ordered to stand down—Submit to being wounded by protesters throwing bricks, sticks with nails, broken glass, cinderblocks, and foul insults. In 1968 my husband drove me to work in City and someone heaved a cinderblock toward our car from an Overpass. In April 2015 rioters looted Hundreds Of businesses, and burned residents out for no good reason. Baltimore City never recovered and I left that Hellhole behind in 2018 and Moved to TV Florida I was surprised and GLAD Do you know the number of concealed carry permits people in TV have. SAD DAYS FOR USA That so-called “Peaceful Protests“ are False description of the DESTRUCTION. VIOLENCE PERPETRATED . AND HATRED TOWARD and
MURDERS OF POLICEMEN.

[Taltarzac725]

I hung around with a very bad crowd in Reno, Nevada when about aged 14 and one of these boys pointed a loaded BB gun at my eye. This was in his house. I convinced him to try to shoot between my fingers. He missed and put a BB into my left pinky. I plucked it out a few minutes later but far away from this boy.

I certainly remember how much adrenaline I had in that encounter. The boy who shot me had to go into some kind of mental health developmental place after his parents found out what he had done.

I got away from this bad group (who had done far worse than the BB gun shooting to one another) and found books and a great English teacher in Mrs. Barbara Mitchell at Earl Wooster High School in Reno, Nevada. She eventually gave me a small Memorial Scholarship in her late daughter Michelle Mitchell's name.

I do own some guns but would have trouble getting to them quickly as I do not keep them loaded nor anywhere near my bed. Do have many other things that could stop an intruder though. Golf clubs for instance.

If you never have and even if you have fired a gun at somebody the adrenaline rushing through your body at the average age here would probably kill you before your enemy attacking the villages ( big sigh here)some of the guys here I see carrying weapons and yes 40 years in many dangerous places in the world tips me of to most who are carrying Scares me more then some invader. No guns for me anymore , don’t even lock my door here , let the police and insurance protect me lol

[billethkid]

Now that is hilarious considering what is happening in America.

These very hard up people of various cities could not afford to get on a plane and come down to the Villages. Most are just trying to survive day-to-day in very troubled areas where they live.

There was no inference or assumption concerning the groups traveling from place to place.

Why would anybody think that?

Most likely (as intended).......in the unlikely event like minded special interest groups "nearby" would target TV.

[Taltarzac725]

Like some gang from Wildwood or Orlando?

They would attack something right at hand if motivated by anger. That is what you see in Minneapolis, Seattle and many other places. They are acting on emotion only.

There was no inference or assumption concerning the groups traveling from place to place.

Why would anybody think that?

Most likely (as intended).......in the unlikely event like minded special interest groups "nearby" would target TV.

[ColdNoMore]

Amen. My two men were police. Husband and son Who gave 52 years to citizens in Baltimore city and BaltImore County. We lived through the riots of April 1968, April 2015. Now as years go by, There is nothing peaceful about protests —officers being yelled at while protecting mayor and Governor’s offices and being ordered to stand down—Submit to being wounded by protesters throwing bricks, sticks with nails, broken glass, cinderblocks, and foul insults. In 1968 my husband drove me to work in City and someone heaved a cinderblock toward our car from an Overpass. In April 2015 rioters looted Hundreds Of businesses, and burned residents out for no good reason. Baltimore City never recovered and I left that Hellhole behind in 2018 and Moved to TV Florida I was surprised and GLAD Do you know the number of concealed carry permits people in TV have. SAD DAYS FOR USA That so-called “Peaceful Protests“ are False description of the DESTRUCTION. VIOLENCE PERPETRATED . AND HATRED TOWARD and
MURDERS OF POLICEMEN.

Charlottesville Car Attack (click here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack)

On August 12, 2017, James Alex Fields Jr. deliberately drove his car into a crowd of people who had been peacefully protesting the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing one and injuring 28.

The 20-year-old Fields had driven from Ohio to attend the rally.

Fields previously espoused neo-Nazi and white supremacist beliefs.

He was convicted in a state court of hit and run, the first-degree murder of 32-year-old Heather Heyer, and eight counts of malicious wounding, and sentenced to life in prison with an additional 419 years in July 2019

:ho:

[ffresh]

Last night I was trying to put myself in another’s shoes.

The shoes I tried on were worn with a blue shirt with a badge on it.

I thought about how demoralizing and bizarrely upside-down it must feel to have the ‘Big guys’ Like the Mayor or the Governor tell you to

arrest people who are trying to earn a living like shop owners & other people who aren’t wearing masks or staying 6 feet apart

AND then be told by those same decision makers

to stand-down & watch rioters & looters who are stealIng & destroying & endangering the future of entire communities, if not the nation

Crazy.

Gave me a whole new insight into their job requirements.

Crazy? … I don't think crazy; I think evil with an agenda

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Not enough liberal white running dogs here to worry about. Wildhood isnt an area to riot, not enough good stores.

Villages are armed to the teeth.

Nothing much to worry about other than if u go off the reservation...then carry two guns
The Villages IS like a reservation. One last stop before HEAVEN or the wherever.

[jimjamuser]

Agreed but situational awareness is always a good idea. I've thought about the very same thing, honestly don't know why it hasn't happened yet.
Our house has been robbed once. About $2,000 in equipment stolen, never found by Police.

[jimjamuser]

Are you also worried about the sky falling? Worry more about the politicians who take advantage of TV demographics.
Good one, perfect.

[Kenswing]

Now that is hilarious considering what is happening in America.

These very hard up people of various cities could not afford to get on a plane and come down to the Villages. Most are just trying to survive day-to-day in very troubled areas where they live.
Nobody needs to get on a plane. This is happening in your own backyard..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzEnPCQ14o

[jimjamuser]

This is not a war against white people. It is a war against history and education. In history we learn about our failures and successes in education we learn from them and strive not to repeat the failures. To the rioters the only way for change is destruction but they, both black and white, have no plans to make effective changes for good or for that matter no ambitions to put the work into that change peacefully.
For myself I will open my arms and mind to those who want to discuss and try and make peaceful changes for the good of all but beware those who force their actions of violence upon my family or myself. I will protect all that I have worked for and loved ones and face the consequences for the defense of such.
Well reasoned. Kudos.

[Stu from NYC]

From everything I have read and heard antifa should be banned in the US.

[dplars]

Correction: I'm a white (not by choice) Nationalist, I love this country, am proud of its traditions and history that moves forward in attempts to create a more perfect union. Don't disparage me.

[Chatbrat]

In 1933 Hitler defunded the police so his brown shirts would have a free hand--those who don't know history, will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past

In Nazi Germany any Jew found with a gun & or a knife was executed on the spot

Never again

Also, you can always hire a lawyer, you can't hire a life

[bgamble3]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.
There are over 19,000 retired military living in The Villages. Don't think there will be any problems here!

[Taltarzac725]

There are some very tough parts of Tampa which have a long history of crime and ethnic tension.

Looters and rioters usually only attack the businesses which they would be going to on a day-to-day basis. Mainly they act like an unruly mob with a few people taking advantage of the situation to steal things from these local stores.

My late younger brother lived in some of these Tampa neighborhoods and I was often very relieved when driving out of them. Same with some of these places in St. Petersburg, FL where he also resided at times.

Nobody needs to get on a plane. This is happening in your own backyard..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzEnPCQ14o

[jimjamuser]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.
Ok, you are saying would protesters and looters come to TV? Looters would be repeal with strong, deadly force as stated in many other posts. Peaceful protests MIGHT? be tolerated here if they were mostly locals and did NOT get out of control. But, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT HERE FOR TV is the one, lone crazy radicalized expert bomb maker. Or the lone, unaffiliated machine-gun wielding sniper like the one in Las Vegas. For those 2 situations, every place in the US is vulnerable, and especially a soft target like TV, and especially if entertainment were to return to the TV squares.

[banjobob]

A pump shotgun and loaded at the ready hand guns will slow any assault on our property,BLM is a scam the Antifa thugs are just that . No remorse either way.

[TexaninVA]

A pump shotgun and loaded at the ready hand guns will slow any assault on our property,BLM is a scam the Antifa thugs are just that . No remorse either way.



Yes, 12 gauge pumps are quite effective

[jimjamuser]

If you never have and even if you have fired a gun at somebody the adrenaline rushing through your body at the average age here would probably kill you before your enemy attacking the villages ( big sigh here)some of the guys here I see carrying weapons and yes 40 years in many dangerous places in the world tips me of to most who are carrying Scares me more then some invader. No guns for me anymore , don’t even lock my door here , let the police and insurance protect me lol
You SHOULD lock your door. I have had my house broken into. It was NOT my most happy time.

[nututv]

"Let the police and insurance protect me"

Because when every second counts, they'll be there in a few minutes.

[jimjamuser]

Amen. My two men were police. Husband and son Who gave 52 years to citizens in Baltimore city and BaltImore County. We lived through the riots of April 1968, April 2015. Now as years go by, There is nothing peaceful about protests —officers being yelled at while protecting mayor and Governor’s offices and being ordered to stand down—Submit to being wounded by protesters throwing bricks, sticks with nails, broken glass, cinderblocks, and foul insults. In 1968 my husband drove me to work in City and someone heaved a cinderblock toward our car from an Overpass. In April 2015 rioters looted Hundreds Of businesses, and burned residents out for no good reason. Baltimore City never recovered and I left that Hellhole behind in 2018 and Moved to TV Florida I was surprised and GLAD Do you know the number of concealed carry permits people in TV have. SAD DAYS FOR USA That so-called “Peaceful Protests“ are False description of the DESTRUCTION. VIOLENCE PERPETRATED . AND HATRED TOWARD and
MURDERS OF POLICEMEN.
I remember in my long-ago, tortured youth, driving to a college in N. Carolina and my car engine froze in Baltimore. I was there long enough to realize that It was a TOUGH town (both white and Black areas).! My hometown of Pittsburgh was a lark compared to Baltimore.

[jimjamuser]

I hung around with a very bad crowd in Reno, Nevada when about aged 14 and one of these boys pointed a loaded BB gun at my eye. This was in his house. I convinced him to try to shoot between my fingers. He missed and put a BB into my left pinky. I plucked it out a few minutes later but far away from this boy.

I certainly remember how much adrenaline I had in that encounter. The boy who shot me had to go into some kind of mental health developmental place after his parents found out what he had done.

I got away from this bad group (who had done far worse than the BB gun shooting to one another) and found books and a great English teacher in Mrs. Barbara Mitchell at Earl Wooster High School in Reno, Nevada. She eventually gave me a small Memorial Scholarship in her late daughter Michelle Mitchell's name.

I do own some guns but would have trouble getting to them quickly as I do not keep them loaded nor anywhere near my bed. Do have many other things that could stop an intruder though. Golf clubs for instance.
Yes, and we could THROW our very heavy Wednesday Village paper at them!

[ALadysMom]

This is the type of nonsense that has divided this nation since before the civil war, and can still seen to exists by the above posting. We should all be ashamed of this type of thinking from Americas, but that is just the point is it not!

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Or Put another way

Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not
~ Jeremiah 5:21

[ALadysMom]

We all know the facts. More whites are killed by cops than blacks and there are some untrained or bad cops out there. These groups choose to ignore facts and make it their objective to make it all look much worse than it is. It wouldn't surprise me that they would target the Villages. Just hope the governor wouldn't hesitate to bring in the National Guard to stop this stupid, evil action.

There are three little words that troublemakers fear most in Florida

Stand Your Ground

[Bucco]

Food for thought, or maybe a call to arms . . . .

Suppose a militant group prone to and advocating civil disturbance, violence, looting and destruction were to find a target for their next insurrection. An area or community let’s say that was nearly 100% White. Maybe located in the “Racist South”. One where “Privilege” was on display and throw in a population made up of apparently old, weak and defenseless individuals.

Might sound like an easy target for ANTIFA, BLM, or another movement looking for attention to their oppressed existence in this racist Country. It might also sound like someone or some place you are familiar with too.

Food for thought or a call to arms . . . . . remember, it wasn’t raining when Noah built the ark.

An incredible and scary imagination you have.

You are posting and concerned about the totally wrong kind of insurrection and tearing of our country.

Cant post within the rules but groups (not who you are worried about) with power have predicted it and talk of it almost each day, but first thing is to get you talking and worrying about the wrong thing.

[ALadysMom]

There was no inference or assumption concerning the groups traveling from place to place.

Why would anybody think that?

Most likely (as intended).......in the unlikely event like minded special interest groups "nearby" would target TV.

Seriously?

Please do a quick search online. There a LOTS of reports of rioters traveling to do their dirty deeds...

10 people arrested during Fargo riot - some rioters traveling to cause violence (https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/18-people-arrested-during-Fargo-riot-570904891.html)

^^^Fargo ND.

It’s happening all over.

[ColdNoMore]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Or Put another way

Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not
~ Jeremiah 5:21

Hmmm... :wave:

[ALadysMom]

Like some gang from Wildwood or Orlando?

They would attack something right at hand if motivated by anger. That is what you see in Minneapolis, Seattle and many other places. They are acting on emotion only.

Unfortunately, the riots and looting have been occurring far beyond the widely-reported cities of Seattle
& Minneapolis.

Here’s a partial list: Miami, Orlando, Washington DC, Portland, Chicago (the loop, north side & many suburbs, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Columbus OH, Champaign IL, Carmel IN, Fargo ND, Bloomington IL, Nashville TN, of course Atlanta GA (& surrounding suburbs)

Here’s an article listing them (Long ago) as of May 30. I suspect that there are many riot-damaged locations which are not being reported, too.

These are all the cities where protests and riots have erupted over George Floyd’s death (https://www.nj.com/news/2020/05/these-are-all-the-cities-where-protests-and-riots-have-erupted-over-george-floyds-death.html?outputType=amp)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There are three little words that troublemakers fear most in Florida

Stand Your Ground

And some troublemakers use as an excuse. It's just the same trouble from the other end of the door.

Your ex-wife shows up asking for her late alimony check? Shoot her and tell everyone she was threatening you and you were standing your ground.

Some random guy you don't recognize comes onto your property hoping to find someone to help him find an address because he's hopelessly lost and the GPS isn't giving him Villages directions? Shoot him - and claim he was threatening you so you stood your ground.

It's an excuse to kill people, nothing more or less. The only interpretation involved is the REASON you took advantage of that excuse to kill someone. The end result is the same - someone is dead, and someone is holding the weapon that killed the corpse.

Do I think people shouldn't protect their property? Nope, absolutely not. I feel that people SHOULD have the right to protect their property.

But I call it what it is, not what sounds good in an NRA or anti-NRA video clip. It is "ending the life of another human being with a firearm."

Apply whatever justification you want to it, but the result is the same.

[Byte1]

We probably should not divert from the subject of this thread, BUT a comment was made about "military style" weapons. I respect the fact that some fear what they might not fully comprehend, and "military style" or "automatic weapons" or "assault weapons" is definitely a subject that can be argued until .........the cows come home? When the Constitution was created, what constituted a "military style" or "assault weapon?" Not being a historian, I would still suggest that any weapon that could be picked up and used against the enemy, would fit the definition. Now, an interesting thought comes to mind. The second amendment was written to protect against Gov. tyranny, right? Wouldn't that mean, we should have military style weapons? Does it say anywhere in that Amendment that everyone should have a "hunting" weapon? Is the Amendment written to protect hunters, so that they may always have a hunting rifle?
I have absolutely no fear of anyone owning a military style rifle. I personally own a MILITARY rifle that was used in a war. It's an M1 semiautomatic rifle, capable of loading an 8 round (30-06) clip into the magazine. If I was to be limited to a military style weapon from the time the Constitution was written, I guess I would have to have a musket, right? Could you defend yourself from a rogue gov military force with a musket, today?
If a person is mature and sensible, a military style weapon is not dangerous. No nut case should own a firearm, sword, hunting knife or even a butter knife.
Someone correctly said that there are tens of thousands of military style weapons legally owned in this country. I am glad. The bad guys have the best weapons and our police forces can't even sustain a defensive posture with their limited armament, thanks to pacifists. I have seen city gangs with fully automatic Uzis, and MAC-11 machine pistols. Guess what? Those are illegally owned. You can own a fully automatic weapon IF you first obtain a special Federal permit, which the last time I checked about 20 years ago, cost $500.
Anyway, I apologize for diverting from the subject. I understand those that believe it is possible to get rid of all the guns in America, but that is not even realistic. Even the UK is finding out the hard way. And now the Bobbies that once used only a baton or billy to enforce laws, now carry concealed pistols.
But, I do respect those that WISH that we could live in a Utopia where guns were not needed or even existed. But, some of us live in reality and know what happens when citizens have no means of controlling or equalizing a rogue government. I have heard those that say that guns are not needed. Thank goodness not everyone agrees on that view. When the SHTF, there will be enough of us to protect the families of those that don't think that guns are necessary. Hope it never happens though.

[jimjamuser]

Legislating against military type guns is a black market opportunity for gun manufacturers in other parts of the world. When the bad guys want a weapon they will find that weapon.
That's one NRA rationalization. They are just profiting off of male testosterone and bias. There are 10 other talking point rationalizations that someone will probably list. Bit, I appreciate that someone took the time to read and analyze my post. Thank you.

[ALadysMom]

Quite honestly, anyone who complains about what happens when the Leos have to take down a criminal should be required to go through the police training course on situational responses. There have been a few activists who took the course and came out with a completely different attitude. Their job is very difficult and decisions made in milliseconds have profound effects on peoples lives.Those who have not been in a similar situation have no clue regarding the stress and consequences of both action and inaction.
That’s a great idea! Kinda like Scared Straight or the driving-while-drunk simulation training. When can we round them up & get started?

[jimjamuser]

I don’t care about Nixon. I care very much about not allowing this socialist revolution to hide inside their senile Trojan Horse.

About gun ownership: The 2nd Amendment specifically allows for American people to own them so we will not fall victim to tyrannical leaders.

Do you know there are thousands, if not millions, of those firearms which are currently legally owned. All of them would still exist even if new ones were no longer made. How did banning alcohol work out during Prohibition? A very lucrative black market would be guaranteed.

Firearms that are currently legally sold do not fire more than one bullet automatically.

Obviously, most guns are NEVER used to hunt—nor are they, thankfully, ever used to protect oneself. If that “need” were required for all new firearms purchased then the animals would need a lot more protections & we would need a lot less restraining orders. It doesn’t matter WHY any American thinks he/she wants to own a firearm, they are entitled to it if they follow the rules.

How do you think the law-abiding citizens who are in no-gun areas like Chicago feel when they are threatened with mob violence yet they have no means of protection? Why do you think slashing a have been occurring in England? The citizens are unarmed & so are many of the British police!

I will happily become a pacifist in Heaven where there is no evil.
Semi-auto does NOT mean auto as in automatic firing. Semi-auto means auto LOADING after each trigger pull. The Las Vegas sniper used a quasi-LEGAL accessory to achieve his automatic firing. Hopefully, that cleared something up. Visit your NRA quasi-military recruitment web page for further clarification.

[ffresh]

We probably should not divert from the subject of this thread, BUT a comment was made about "military style" weapons. I respect the fact that some fear what they might not fully comprehend, and "military style" or "automatic weapons" or "assault weapons" is definitely a subject that can be argued until .........the cows come home? When the Constitution was created, what constituted a "military style" or "assault weapon?" Not being a historian, I would still suggest that any weapon that could be picked up and used against the enemy, would fit the definition. Now, an interesting thought comes to mind. The second amendment was written to protect against Gov. tyranny, right? Wouldn't that mean, we should have military style weapons? Does it say anywhere in that Amendment that everyone should have a "hunting" weapon? Is the Amendment written to protect hunters, so that they may always have a hunting rifle?
I have absolutely no fear of anyone owning a military style rifle. I personally own a MILITARY rifle that was used in a war. It's an M1 semiautomatic rifle, capable of loading an 8 round (30-06) clip into the magazine. If I was to be limited to a military style weapon from the time the Constitution was written, I guess I would have to have a musket, right? Could you defend yourself from a rogue gov military force with a musket, today?
If a person is mature and sensible, a military style weapon is not dangerous. No nut case should own a firearm, sword, hunting knife or even a butter knife.
Someone correctly said that there are tens of thousands of military style weapons legally owned in this country. I am glad. The bad guys have the best weapons and our police forces can't even sustain a defensive posture with their limited armament, thanks to pacifists. I have seen city gangs with fully automatic Uzis, and MAC-11 machine pistols. Guess what? Those are illegally owned. You can own a fully automatic weapon IF you first obtain a special Federal permit, which the last time I checked about 20 years ago, cost $500.
Anyway, I apologize for diverting from the subject. I understand those that believe it is possible to get rid of all the guns in America, but that is not even realistic. Even the UK is finding out the hard way. And now the Bobbies that once used only a baton or billy to enforce laws, now carry concealed pistols.
But, I do respect those that WISH that we could live in a Utopia where guns were not needed or even existed. But, some of us live in reality and know what happens when citizens have no means of controlling or equalizing a rogue government. I have heard those that say that guns are not needed. Thank goodness not everyone agrees on that view. When the SHTF, there will be enough of us to protect the families of those that don't think that guns are necessary. Hope it never happens though.

WELL SAID! :bigbow:

Fred

[nututv]

I consider myself to be rather well informed. It really surprised me the other day when my son told me tear gas isn't allowed in war due to the Geneva convention but police use it against the citizenry nearly daily.
I gave that a lot of thought, it's spooky.

[ALadysMom]

And some troublemakers use as an excuse. It's just the same trouble from the other end of the door.

Your ex-wife shows up asking for her late alimony check? Shoot her and tell everyone she was threatening you and you were standing your ground.

Some random guy you don't recognize comes onto your property hoping to find someone to help him find an address because he's hopelessly lost and the GPS isn't giving him Villages directions? Shoot him - and claim he was threatening you so you stood your ground.

It's an excuse to kill people, nothing more or less. The only interpretation involved is the REASON you took advantage of that excuse to kill someone. The end result is the same - someone is dead, and someone is holding the weapon that killed the corpse.

Do I think people shouldn't protect their property? Nope, absolutely not. I feel that people SHOULD have the right to protect their property.

But I call it what it is, not what sounds good in an NRA or anti-NRA video clip. It is "ending the life of another human being with a firearm."

Apply whatever justification you want to it, but the result is the same.

If my ex-wife shows up looking for alimony she’s stark raving mad.

Stand Your Ground restates the obvious: each person has a right to defend his/her own life using lethal force with any means available. Unfortunately, not all states or jurisdictions honor, protect & defend that right, thus the need for FL to spell it out

Sure, it can be misused but there have also been cases where that has been attempted without success.

Those who are considering locations for misdeeds might choose an alternate location if they know the residents and property owners have the right to defend themselves & are not afraid to do it.

[nututv]

"Those who have not been in a similar situation have no clue regarding the stress and consequences of both action and inaction."

I've drawn a weapon on an individual 3 times in my life. The last time fairly recently. The adrenaline, the stone in your chest feeling, the sound of your own heartbeat pounding in your ears. It was the same each time. It's something you will NEVER forget. And I forgot, the feeling of time standing still.

[Taltarzac725]

List of riots - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots)

Sure have been a lot of riots in the 2000s and 2010s all over the world.

Also looks like some sections of ancient Rome were often places for riots. Probably not the houses of the rich and famous though as they could afford to hire guards of different kinds and/or bribe some Roman Army official.

[ALadysMom]

Ok, you are saying would protesters and looters come to TV? Looters would be repeal with strong, deadly force as stated in many other posts. Peaceful protests MIGHT? be tolerated here if they were mostly locals and did NOT get out of control. But, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT HERE FOR TV is the one, lone crazy radicalized expert bomb maker. Or the lone, unaffiliated machine-gun wielding sniper like the one in Las Vegas. For those 2 situations, every place in the US is vulnerable, and especially a soft target like TV, and especially if entertainment were to return to the TV squares.

Fortunately for Villagers, the worst radical drops F-bombs on the golf course and the highest perch is probably atop a palm tree.

The ‘protests’ always start out peaceful. The thugs are cowards who hide within the crowds of people. Many of the people who march actually believe they are the voice of freedom from tyranny. But later, things get ugly and the tyrannical thugs rule the night. These are not a sit-in peace rally, folks.

BLM is enabling thug rioters

And we are being duped into quiet submission by BLM claims of desiring racial justice while they ignore or even facilitate chaos, destruction & lawlessness.

We are being tricked. We are too easily distracted by racial & political divisions to see what’s really going on. As long as we are busy squabbling with each other, we miss the real problem—one which we don’t disagree about. Socialism and a tyrannical government would be vehemently fought by both political parties & all races of American people.

It’s the old adage:
Divide & Conquer

[nututv]

Probably not the houses of the rich and famous though as they could afford to hire guards of different kinds and/or bribe.

Tell that to the Czars, Mussolini, Ceaușescu.

[Keeferinspace]

This might be a good place to ask where the closest shooting range is. Is there a gun club in The Villages? I don’t own a firearm but want to purchase one. It’s been over 30 years since I picked up a weapon—Marine Corps. Would enjoy picking up the hobby again.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Massachusetts and Hawaii are the 2 hardest states to get a gun period they alternate between the lowest murder rates by guns Florida is 19th makes you wonder

[ALadysMom]

...No guns for me anymore , don’t even lock my door here , let the police and insurance protect me lol

There’s more reasons than fear of theft to lock your doors. What if someone enters them locks you out? If an insane druggie enters, how are you going to get him out? You could also be liable if someone enters & claims injury. The possibilities are nearly endless.

And I’ve never seen a horror movie where the bloodied victim calls in breathless terror, “Hello. Allstate?”

[nututv]

This might be a good place to ask where the closest shooting range is. Is there a gun club in The Villages? I don’t own a firearm but want to purchase one. It’s been over 30 years since I picked up a weapon—Marine Corps. Would enjoy picking up the hobby again.

My advice would be to purchase off an individual for obvious reasons.

[Number 10 GI]

And some troublemakers use as an excuse. It's just the same trouble from the other end of the door.

Your ex-wife shows up asking for her late alimony check? Shoot her and tell everyone she was threatening you and you were standing your ground.

Some random guy you don't recognize comes onto your property hoping to find someone to help him find an address because he's hopelessly lost and the GPS isn't giving him Villages directions? Shoot him - and claim he was threatening you so you stood your ground.

It's an excuse to kill people, nothing more or less. The only interpretation involved is the REASON you took advantage of that excuse to kill someone. The end result is the same - someone is dead, and someone is holding the weapon that killed the corpse.

Do I think people shouldn't protect their property? Nope, absolutely not. I feel that people SHOULD have the right to protect their property.

But I call it what it is, not what sounds good in an NRA or anti-NRA video clip. It is "ending the life of another human being with a firearm."

Apply whatever justification you want to it, but the result is the same.

You do not understand the law on Stand Your Ground at all. A person shooting his ex-wife because she shows up at the door demanding a late alimony check or any of the other scenarios you presented will not hold water unless there is proof of an ACTUAL threat of death or serious bodily harm to the defender. A claim without evidence to back up the alleged threat will result in a murder charge.

[jimjamuser]

Fortunately for Villagers, the worst radical drops F-bombs on the golf course and the highest perch is probably atop a palm tree.

The ‘protests’ always start out peaceful. The thugs are cowards who hide within the crowds of people. Many of the people who march actually believe they are the voice of freedom from tyranny. But later, things get ugly and the tyrannical thugs rule the night. These are not a sit-in peace rally, folks.

BLM is enabling thug rioters

And we are being duped into quiet submission by BLM claims of desiring racial justice while they ignore or even facilitate chaos, destruction & lawlessness.

We are being tricked. We are too easily distracted by racial & political divisions to see what’s really going on. As long as we are busy squabbling with each other, we miss the real problem—one which we don’t disagree about. Socialism and a tyrannical government would be vehemently fought by both political parties & all races of American people.

It’s the old adage:
Divide & Conquer
Very few SMALL cities have pasts littered with terrorist's bombs. It only takes ONE time. And there are multi-story buildings around the Sumter square that are taller than Palm trees.

[nututv]

Lets not forget this is the same place that hosts a ton of conservative rallies. Care to imagine what a kook could do in the Sumter Square during one. It would mimic the Vegas deal easily.

[ALadysMom]

List of riots - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots)

Sure have been a lot of riots in the 2000s and 2010s all over the world.

Also looks like some sections of ancient Rome were often places for riots. Probably not the houses of the rich and famous though as they could afford to hire guards of different kinds and/or bribe some Roman Army official.

Silicon Valley, Hollywood & big money folks have armed body guards & big gated walls with every kind of security imaginable so they feel really free to encourage dissonance and riots. They aren’t going to suffer, no matter what. They are a BIG part of the problem.

If they can keep all of us lemmings arguing with each other long enough, guess who will grab all the power?

Once a very rich & powerful friend of mine said: “the rich don’t care which party wins. They OWN both of them. They enjoy that the citizens continue to Fight each other as if it matters. But if the citizens ever demand to be represented by an outsider, all heck will break loose.”

That pretty much sums up where we are right now.

[Number 10 GI]

That's one NRA rationalization. They are just profiting off of male testosterone and bias. There are 10 other talking point rationalizations that someone will probably list. Bit, I appreciate that someone took the time to read and analyze my post. Thank you.

There is no rationalization there at all, just the unvarnished, inconvenient truth. Heroin, cocaine and all the other dangerous drugs are illegal to possess, use or sell but you can go into the smallest Podunk farm town in fly over country and buy these drugs. Why? Because there is a demand and organized crime will fill that demand. Prohibition proved that beyond a doubt and gave organized crime it's start on becoming what it is today. Prohibition really worked well! :ohdear: There was more alcohol consumption per capita during Prohibition than before and after. If a criminal wants a weapon there will be someone who will have one for sale illegally. It really doesn't take much common sense to understand that.

[ALadysMom]

Lets not forget this is the same place that hosts a ton of conservative rallies. Care to imagine what a kook could do in the Sumter Square during one. It would mimic the Vegas deal easily.


Except it would not be one-sided.

There would be many happy returns.

[ffresh]

Semi-auto does NOT mean auto as in automatic firing. Semi-auto means auto LOADING after each trigger pull. The Las Vegas sniper used a quasi-LEGAL accessory to achieve his automatic firing. Hopefully, that cleared something up. Visit your NRA quasi-military recruitment web page for further clarification.

I think you mean you were told/read that The Las Vegas shooter …

Some of us are skeptical about such things (for VERY good reason) and, thus, do not believe everything we're told/ "fed". Also, "honorable Mention" award on your attempt to disparage the NRA, whom many Americans believe does a decent job of protecting the Second Amendment from people who share your reverence for it. It's in the Bill of Rights, you know :icon_wink:

P.S. I'm a lifetime NRA member but often feel the organization is too compromising; I'd rather put my chips on GOA

Consider: all that firepower the "lone" Vegas shooter supposedly had, all by his lonesome, but he had to use a bump stock … I have a bridge :1rotfl:

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Lets not forget this is the same place that hosts a ton of conservative rallies. Care to imagine what a kook could do in the Sumter Square during one. It would mimic the Vegas deal easily.
True that. Sort of what I said?

[Byte1]

Hmmm... :wave:

Ever heard the story of the Boy who Cried Wolf?

All lives matter, and none more than another.

[jimjamuser]

There is no rationalization there at all, just the unvarnished, inconvenient truth. Heroin, cocaine and all the other dangerous drugs are illegal to possess, use or sell but you can go into the smallest Podunk farm town in fly over country and buy these drugs. Why? Because there is a demand and organized crime will fill that demand. Prohibition proved that beyond a doubt and gave organized crime it's start on becoming what it is today. Prohibition really worked well! :ohdear: There was more alcohol consumption per capita during Prohibition than before and after. If a criminal wants a weapon there will be someone who will have one for sale illegally. It really doesn't take much common sense to understand that.
What I understand is that ANY problem can be solved IF large resources ($) and expertise and time are devoted to it. That's why the US was 1st to the moon. (Note : in a time when the tax law did NOT favor the rich who stop it circulating by putting it in Swiss bank accounts). Today, with respect to the problem of auto-loading military-style rifles, IF--IF the rich profiteering gun manufacturers (that take your $ on their high margin m-style weapons) were to STOP manufacturing THOSE and the Police had the resources ($) to do BUY-BACKS it would WORK. Society would have to pony up the big bucks, YES. Don't forget that Police are the ones NOT killed by single-shot and bolt action (used by hunters). The Police who sat down and thought about it would LIKE the idea of those BUY-BACKS. Matter of fact they do NOW, but don't have enough $ to buy enough from the marginal criminals, who would gladly sell them and go back to being pick-pockets as...like maybe 1940 or so. PS...single shots and bolt are LOWER margin weapons.

[jimjamuser]

I think you mean you were told/read that The Las Vegas shooter …

Some of us are skeptical about such things (for VERY good reason) and, thus, do not believe everything we're told/ "fed". Also, "honorable Mention" award on your attempt to disparage the NRA, whom many Americans believe does a decent job of protecting the Second Amendment from people who share your reverence for it. It's in the Bill of Rights, you know :icon_wink:

P.S. I'm a lifetime NRA member but often feel the organization is too compromising; I'd rather put my chips on GOA

Consider: all that firepower the "lone" Vegas shooter supposedly had, all by his lonesome, but he had to use a bump stock … I have a bridge :1rotfl:

Fred
I wonder if I mentioned accessorization as in "bump-shocks". You can use a special trigger also. Or you can be good with a file.

[Byte1]

I consider myself to be rather well informed. It really surprised me the other day when my son told me tear gas isn't allowed in war due to the Geneva convention but police use it against the citizenry nearly daily.
I gave that a lot of thought, it's spooky.

I had to fact check to see if what you said was true. Yes, it seems so. However, it is very interesting that the Marine Corps trains recruits in the "gas chamber" with tear gas. We also had tear gas in Vietnam and used it. It was in the form of grenade rounds shot from a M79 grenade launcher. Right or wrong, it was used in combat. We also had White Phosphorus rounds, which are way more dangerous and wicked. Just saying.

[nututv]

There would be many happy returns.

After seeing/reading some of what I have I can only think of return fire.

[ALadysMom]

Massachusetts and Hawaii are the 2 hardest states to get a gun period they alternate between the lowest murder rates by guns Florida is 19th makes you wonder

Nope, wonder no more.
Chicago is a gun-free city.
Last weekend there were over 100 people shot In Chicago from Friday night to Monday morning. If BLM then why don’t ALL black lives matter? Don’t the innocent black childrens’ lives matter who die in the crossfire too? They are just babies! (but don’t even get me started about THAT!) There’s barely a whisper about the carnage.

We are being duped. Played based on our sensitive, caring nature. Guilted into silent submission. The thugs are USING all of us.

If they can get the police defunded, demoralized, side-lined or (Better yet) eliminated, who will stand between the thugs & the citizens?

BLM is like an attractively decorated store window but there is actually no store inside. You still want to buy that beautiful stuff even though it’s not really in there.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who has escaped a tyrannical government? There are plenty of those folks around since there are many governments that have slid into that abyss. I have talked to many. Not one of them wanted to go back into that situation. Most of them didn’t see it coming until it was too late.

[nututv]

I had to fact check to see if what you said was true. Yes, it seems so. However, it is very interesting that the Marine Corps trains recruits in the "gas chamber" with tear gas. We also had tear gas in Vietnam and used it. It was in the form of grenade rounds shot from a M79 grenade launcher. Right or wrong, it was used in combat. We also had White Phosphorus rounds, which are way more dangerous and wicked. Just saying.

Was just a few years too young for Vietnam but very familiar with willy pete. Air Force trains in the same manner. I remember it well.

[ALadysMom]

I had to fact check to see if what you said was true. Yes, it seems so. However, it is very interesting that the Marine Corps trains recruits in the "gas chamber" with tear gas. We also had tear gas in Vietnam and used it. It was in the form of grenade rounds shot from a M79 grenade launcher. Right or wrong, it was used in combat. We also had White Phosphorus rounds, which are way more dangerous and wicked. Just saying.

The argument for or against use of tear gas is a “straw man” argument. It’s not that it’s not accurate or valid. It just distracts from the subject. Much like BLM and racism is being used to distract police & public attention away from the thugs.

Our current police force is made up of a cross-section of
Americans. Just like us, they vary. They are imperfect human beings of all races, genders, and backgrounds.

If the thugs can get us to believe all of the police are bad, the thugs win.

The thugs are using horrific incidents to make us believe we should “throw all of the bums out & start over.” Ask yourself this: Who would really benefit a lot if that were to happen? The thugs!

[ffresh]

You, my friend, are a breath of fresh air!

Fred

[Number 10 GI]

What I understand is that ANY problem can be solved IF large resources ($) and expertise and time are devoted to it. That's why the US was 1st to the moon. (Note : in a time when the tax law did NOT favor the rich who stop it circulating by putting it in Swiss bank accounts). Today, with respect to the problem of auto-loading military-style rifles, IF--IF the rich profiteering gun manufacturers (that take your $ on their high margin m-style weapons) were to STOP manufacturing THOSE and the Police had the resources ($) to do BUY-BACKS it would WORK. Society would have to pony up the big bucks, YES. Don't forget that Police are the ones NOT killed by single-shot and bolt action (used by hunters). The Police who sat down and thought about it would LIKE the idea of those BUY-BACKS. Matter of fact they do NOW, but don't have enough $ to buy enough from the marginal criminals, who would gladly sell them and go back to being pick-pockets as...like maybe 1940 or so. PS...single shots and bolt are LOWER margin weapons.

Back in the late 80's there was a report put out by the BATF investigating that all the illegal guns in Mexico came from the US. What they found was that foreign countries were smuggling automatic (machine guns) weapons and other weapons into Mexico where they were purchased by the drug cartels. China, South Korea, and South American countries were some of the biggest suppliers of these guns. Now whether the governments of these countries were knowledgeable of it is left up to conjecture.
The M16 rifles in the hands of the cartels were from Mexican army deserters who took their assigned rifle with them and joined the cartels.
AGAIN, if there is a demand someone will fill that demand. The cartels needed guns and criminal organizations filled that need.
The FBI lists more deaths by hammers and clubs than by rifles of all types. Back in the early 2000's if I remember correctly and I believe it was in Baltimore the mayor had a media dog and pony show on weapons used in crimes. They claimed that the AK was the weapon of choice in killings. The only problem they had was that they had no confiscated AK rifles used in a shooting to put on display, they had to go to a gun shop and borrow one for the show. There had been no shootings with an AK.

[ffresh]

The argument for or against use of tear gas is a “straw man” argument. It’s not that it’s not accurate or valid. It just distracts from the subject. Much like BLM and racism is being used to distract police & public attention away from the thugs.

Our current police force is made up of a cross-section of
Americans. Just like us, they vary. They are imperfect human beings of all races, genders, and backgrounds.

If the thugs can get us to believe all of the police are bad, the thugs win.

The thugs are using horrific incidents to make us believe we should “throw all of the bums out & start over.” Ask yourself this: Who would really benefit a lot if that were to happen? The thugs!

The "thugs" are merely useful cogs in a much larger gear - NWO, globalism, etc. :icon_wink:

Fred

[ALadysMom]

Back in the late 80's there was a report put out by the BATF investigating that all the illegal guns in Mexico came from the US. What they found was that foreign countries were smuggling automatic (machine guns) weapons and other weapons into Mexico where they were purchasyed by the drug cartels. China, South Korea, and South American countries were some of the biggest suppliers of these guns. Now whether the governments of these countries were knowledgeable of it is left up to conjecture.
The M16 rifles in the hands of the cartels were from Mexican army deserters who took their assigned rifle with them and joined the cartels.
AGAIN, if there is a demand someone will fill that demand. The cartels needed guns and criminal organizations filled that need.
The FBI lists more deaths by hammers and clubs than by rifles of all types. Back in the early 2000's if I remember correctly and I believe it was in Baltimore the mayor had a media dog and pony show on weapons used in crimes. They claimed that the AK was the weapon of choice in killings. The only problem they had was that they had no confiscated AK rifles used in a shooting to put on display, they had to go to a gun shop and borrow one for the show. There had been no shootings with an AK.

Those guns look scary, by design. That’s what makes them an easy target (get it? :) )It’s just a tool. It’s not any more lethal than lots of other guns are.

Before cell phones, a phone cord was often used as a lethal weapon yet no one feared them.

Guns don’t kill. People do. If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them (ask anyone in Chicago)

[jimjamuser]

Nope, wonder no more.
Chicago is a gun-free city.
Last weekend there were over 100 people shot In Chicago from Friday night to Monday morning. If BLM then why don’t ALL black lives matter? Don’t the innocent black childrens’ lives matter who die in the crossfire too? They are just babies! (but don’t even get me started about THAT!) There’s barely a whisper about the carnage.

We are being duped. Played based on our sensitive, caring nature. Guilted into silent submission. The thugs are USING all of us.

If they can get the police defunded, demoralized, side-lined or (Better yet) eliminated, who will stand between the thugs & the citizens?

BLM is like an attractively decorated store window but there is actually no store inside. You still want to buy that beautiful stuff even though it’s not really in there.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who has escaped a tyrannical government? There are plenty of those folks around since there are many governments that have slid into that abyss. I have talked to many. Not one of them wanted to go back into that situation. Most of them didn’t see it coming until it was too late.
Tyrannical government? Maybe migrate north to Canada? Just saying.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You do not understand the law on Stand Your Ground at all. A person shooting his ex-wife because she shows up at the door demanding a late alimony check or any of the other scenarios you presented will not hold water unless there is proof of an ACTUAL threat of death or serious bodily harm to the defender. A claim without evidence to back up the alleged threat will result in a murder charge.

You don't seem to understand the phrase "he said she said." "I opened the door and my wife stormed in and reached for [insert heavy object nearby]. She said she was going to kill me. So I shot her."

Her response: nothing. Because she's dead. She has nothing to say about it.

[nututv]

You don't seem to understand the phrase "he said she said." "I opened the door and my wife stormed in and reached for [insert heavy object nearby]. She said she was going to kill me. So I shot her."

Her response: nothing. Because she's dead. She has nothing to say about it.
All purely hypothetical. No answer possible until a jury hears the details.

[Number 10 GI]

You don't seem to understand the phrase "he said she said." "I opened the door and my wife stormed in and reached for [insert heavy object nearby]. She said she was going to kill me. So I shot her."

Her response: nothing. Because she's dead. She has nothing to say about it.

No jury would believe a story like that.

[jimjamuser]

Back in the late 80's there was a report put out by the BATF investigating that all the illegal guns in Mexico came from the US. What they found was that foreign countries were smuggling automatic (machine guns) weapons and other weapons into Mexico where they were purchased by the drug cartels. China, South Korea, and South American countries were some of the biggest suppliers of these guns. Now whether the governments of these countries were knowledgeable of it is left up to conjecture.
The M16 rifles in the hands of the cartels were from Mexican army deserters who took their assigned rifle with them and joined the cartels.
AGAIN, if there is a demand someone will fill that demand. The cartels needed guns and criminal organizations filled that need.
The FBI lists more deaths by hammers and clubs than by rifles of all types. Back in the early 2000's if I remember correctly and I believe it was in Baltimore the mayor had a media dog and pony show on weapons used in crimes. They claimed that the AK was the weapon of choice in killings. The only problem they had was that they had no confiscated AK rifles used in a shooting to put on display, they had to go to a gun shop and borrow one for the show. There had been no shootings with an AK.
I stand by my original premise....that single-shot and bolt-action rifles and shotguns are perfectly adequate for citizens that are non-military and police for hunting and home defense. The word defense connotes that aggressive attack style AK's and the like are not needed to maintain control over a stationary position like a home. The SKS, AK and the US 30 cal carbine were and are SHORT weapons designed for ATTACK.
LONG guns and shotguns are for target shooting and home DEFENSE, which are less aggressive situations that NEED far LESS firepower. The NRA has used fear to make the ordinary citizen believe that they will soon be running through the streets aggressively attacking with extreme firepower (even armor-piercing bullets) what ever perceived imaginary fears that they have. I guess the liberal hippys are going to choke these big-bad guys with their flowers? Or the women libbers are carrying bazookas to fire at your castle? Meanwhile, the only reality is that the NRA is making greater profits and sucking up government power.

[Stu from NYC]

No jury would believe a story like that.

Not so sure, high powered attorney and gullible jury and someone walks

[Lindsyburnsy]

There is no Antifa, but there is a group of white men who are known as the Boogaloo Boys. They are known for wearing Hawaiian Shirts and communicate on social media to plan for anti-government disruption. A couple of them have already been arrested for killing cops recently. Thank goodness there is more than one source of media to fact check this information.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow...just WOW! :oops:

Reading some of these posts, is there still a question on why our nation...is where it is, right now? :ohdear:

One can only hope, that the more extreme viewpoints are really..."a dying breed."

Make no mistake, that is NOT (unlike some other folks here, who feel differently and wish the worst for those that disagree with them), meant to mean...I wished certain people no longer lived.

I wouldn't, and have never, wished that...even on my worst enemy.

I just wish that their (remember, this applies ONLY to "some") extremist/vitriolic/hatred attitudes weren't so alive and I will continue to put my faith in the younger generations, who on the whole...have been shown to be less racist/judgemental/bigoted/Etc. than so many of their elders.

And yes, I fully expect and understand that there might be a 'couple' of folks who will vehemently disagree with my opinion(s)/viewpoint(s)...and level the personal attacks. :D

I'm ready though. :duck:

[donfey]

This is a great thread. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like you guys...

[anothersteve]

Wow...just WOW! :oops:

Reading some of these posts, is there still a question on why our nation...is where it is, right now? :ohdear:

One can only hope, that the more extreme viewpoints are really..."a dying breed."

Make no mistake, that is NOT (unlike some other folks here, who feel differently and wish the worst for those that disagree with them), meant to mean...I wished certain people no longer lived.

I wouldn't, and have never, wished that...even on my worst enemy.

I just wish that their (remember, this applies ONLY to "some") extremist/vitriolic/hatred attitudes weren't so alive and I will continue to put my faith in the younger generations, who on the whole...have been shown to be less racist/judgemental/bigoted/Etc. than so many of their elders.

And yes, I fully expect and understand that there might be a 'couple' of folks who will vehemently disagree with my opinion(s)/viewpoint(s)...and level the personal attacks. :D

I'm ready though. :duck:



Personal attacks are not allowed.........

Steve

[Barborv]

These rioters, looters and so called protesters are leading the young clueless sheep to pasture. These groups like Antifa or BLM have a sole purpose. They are trying to lead the way to their New World Order! They want to change America the way they see it. They are slowly working their way into our school systems, our government, etc. America better wake up.

[Aloha1]

There is no Antifa, but there is a group of white men who are known as the Boogaloo Boys. They are known for wearing Hawaiian Shirts and communicate on social media to plan for anti-government disruption. A couple of them have already been arrested for killing cops recently. Thank goodness there is more than one source of media to fact check this information.

No Antifa?? Where have you been hiding out?

[Bucco]

These rioters, looters and so called protesters are leading the young clueless sheep to pasture. These groups like Antifa or BLM have a sole purpose. They are trying to lead the way to their New World Order! They want to change America the way they see it. They are slowly working their way into our school systems, our government, etc. America better wake up.

You stopped short and never mentioned the groups that are the leaders in this movement and it ain't Anifa or BLM.

[Byte1]

That's one NRA rationalization. They are just profiting off of male testosterone and bias. There are 10 other talking point rationalizations that someone will probably list. Bit, I appreciate that someone took the time to read and analyze my post. Thank you.

Hmmm, I suspect that quite a few female shooters could take exception to the insinuation that guys are the only citizens that appreciate firearms. The last time I was at the Ocala National Forest outdoor shooting range, I would guess that one out of four shooters were female. Please enlighten me; how does the NRA "profit" off of American citizens? I'm not a member, but I thought the NRA was an organization of shooting enthusiasts that champion the 2nd Amendment right and firearm marksmanship and safety.

"The National Rifle Association is America's longest-standing civil rights organization."

“NRA Foundation” is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization.

[Bucco]

You stopped short and never mentioned the groups that are the leaders in this movement and it ain't Anifa or BLM.

ANTIFA and BLM are minor leaguers if anyone takes the time and really wants to know.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hmmm, I suspect that quite a few female shooters could take exception to the insinuation that guys are the only citizens that appreciate firearms. The last time I was at the Ocala National Forest outdoor shooting range, I would guess that one out of four shooters were female. Please enlighten me; how does the NRA "profit" off of American citizens? I'm not a member, but I thought the NRA was an organization of shooting enthusiasts that champion the 2nd Amendment right and firearm marksmanship and safety.

"The National Rifle Association is America's longest-standing civil rights organization."

“NRA Foundation” is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization.

That's how it was founded, and what its original mission was. It is currently one of the most powerful, influential, and profitable lobbyist organizations in the country. They fight against ANY restrictions on firearms - including universal background checks. In other words - all the criminals who have an extensive criminal history of gun violence - all the people who have violent histories but have not yet ever registered for gun ownership and are trying to do so now... the NRA supports NOT doing a background check to ensure that the guns aren't just being put into those hands.

They're basically saying "hey you - with the $250 permit fee written in nice neat letters on your check. Wanna buy a gun? Oh, you might have been arrested for beating all three of your previous wives? Nah don't worry about it. Just don't put that on the application form, we won't be checking you out anyway. Here. Have a gun, and a nice day."

That is the NRA in a nutshell, now. A far cry from what it once was.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Last night I was trying to put myself in another’s shoes.

The shoes I tried on were worn with a blue shirt with a badge on it.

I thought about how demoralizing and bizarrely upside-down it must feel to have the ‘Big guys’ Like the Mayor or the Governor tell you to

arrest people who are trying to earn a living like shop owners & other people who aren’t wearing masks or staying 6 feet apart

AND then be told by those same decision makers

to stand-down & watch rioters & looters who are stealIng & destroying & endangering the future of entire communities, if not the nation

Crazy.

Gave me a whole new insight into their job requirements.
Would you rather be a police officer or an African American man?

[Stu from NYC]

Would you rather be a police officer or an African American man?

Why cant I be both?

[Byte1]

That's how it was founded, and what its original mission was. It is currently one of the most powerful, influential, and profitable lobbyist organizations in the country. They fight against ANY restrictions on firearms - including universal background checks. In other words - all the criminals who have an extensive criminal history of gun violence - all the people who have violent histories but have not yet ever registered for gun ownership and are trying to do so now... the NRA supports NOT doing a background check to ensure that the guns aren't just being put into those hands.

They're basically saying "hey you - with the $250 permit fee written in nice neat letters on your check. Wanna buy a gun? Oh, you might have been arrested for beating all three of your previous wives? Nah don't worry about it. Just don't put that on the application form, we won't be checking you out anyway. Here. Have a gun, and a nice day."

That is the NRA in a nutshell, now. A far cry from what it once was.

Other than personal gun sales and family exchanges, ALL gun sales through a gun business/store requires a background check. I have frequented gun shows for years and always had to have a background check to purchase a gun. The only exception to that rule was when I had a CCW, which requires an extensive background and proof that one has the ability and knowledge of handling a gun safely.
I think that some folks like to believe that the NRA is the boogieman, but that is more likely just due to ignorance. I support the NRA even though I am not a member. They have done a lot of good. They have improved gun safety in schools and proficiency in law enforcement.

[Byte1]

Would you rather be a police officer or an African American man?

I've had the privilege of knowing ONE true AFRICAN American police officer, and quite a few Black police officers. It's funny how I never really thought of them as black or white officers. I based my opinion of the men and women solely upon their job performance. But, take a Black officer and have them patrol a black community and that officer is no longer considered Black, but BLUE and no different than a white police officer to that community.
Maybe if folks would stop worrying about semantics when it comes to race and just start thinking of themselves as Americans, then a lot of this stuff would cease. One does not refer to themselves as European Americans to refer to the color of one's skin. I have a son-in-law that is a REAL African by birth. He lives in America and does not use the term African American. He just says "American." I am not saying that one must give up their supposed "culture or heritage" if they really think they know what their true genealogy is. I do suggest that if one wants to be accepted by ALL, then they might think about assimilating into the American culture and heritage. And yes, American is different than European, even if we speak the same language..........sort of.

[Byte1]

The Villages IS like a reservation. One last stop before HEAVEN or the wherever.

For some, I believe this is as close to heaven as they will ever get. Might as well enjoy it. For those that criticize this place, ain't America great?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Other than personal gun sales and family exchanges, ALL gun sales through a gun business/store requires a background check. I have frequented gun shows for years and always had to have a background check to purchase a gun. The only exception to that rule was when I had a CCW, which requires an extensive background and proof that one has the ability and knowledge of handling a gun safely.
I think that some folks like to believe that the NRA is the boogieman, but that is more likely just due to ignorance. I support the NRA even though I am not a member. They have done a lot of good. They have improved gun safety in schools and proficiency in law enforcement.

The only background check required on a federal level is the NICS: National Instant Criminal (background check) System. This was originally presented as the Brady Bill, and was lobbied HEAVILY against by - your pals at the NRA. They spent millions to defeat it and succeeded in limiting its functionality.

The NRA is no friend to defense. They exist to push guns, period. They don't care who owns them. They used to. But they stopped caring decades ago and are now nothing more than a lobby for the gun manufacturing industry.

[billethkid]

Apparently, what the NRA needs is a black spokes person.....then all would be okie dokie....like taking over cities and looting and burning and destruction of property, killing each other.....et al!!

[Kenswing]

Apparently, what the NRA needs is a black spokes person.....then all would be okie dokie....like taking over cities and looting and burning and destruction of property, killing each other.....et al!!
Here's a strong contender..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIwf3d7hP9g

[anothersteve]

Apparently, what the NRA needs is a black spokes person.....then all would be okie dokie....like taking over cities and looting and burning and destruction of property, killing each other.....et al!!

Colin Noir is the biggest black spokesperson for the NRA and gun rights.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/o3rzyqr4cbw)

Steve

[Kenswing]

Colin Noir is the biggest black spokesperson for the NRA and gun rights.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/o3rzyqr4cbw)

Steve
Joe Rogan needs to lay off the weed. lol

[Steve9930]

When I was inducted into the service I took and oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies both domestic and abroad. As far as I'm concerned that oath never expired. I may be older, a little slower but still capable of performing that duty. These groups are Domestic Terrorist as far as I'm concerned.

[Bucco]

When I was inducted into the service I took and oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies both domestic and abroad. As far as I'm concerned that oath never expired. I may be older, a little slower but still capable of performing that duty. These groups are Domestic Terrorist as far as I'm concerned.

Would be interesting to hear exactly who those groups might be.
I have only read two groups on here, as excluded are those who "use" those two.

[anothersteve]

When I was inducted into the service I took and oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies both domestic and abroad. As far as I'm concerned that oath never expired. I may be older, a little slower but still capable of performing that duty. These groups are Domestic Terrorist as far as I'm concerned.


Me also............................but............... ............
every American should adhere to that oath, whether sworn upon or not.
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

When I was inducted into the service I took and oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies both domestic and abroad. As far as I'm concerned that oath never expired. I may be older, a little slower but still capable of performing that duty. These groups are Domestic Terrorist as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know which of "these" groups you're referring to but...it really doesn't matter. As far as you're concerned, it isn't your place to decide. They are, or are not, domestic terrorists that need you to defend us from, when and if they are decreed by someone of a higher pay scale than you had when you took that oath, to be domestic terrorists. Until then, stand down, or you will BE that domestic terrorist you are claiming to defend us against.

[anothersteve]

.........
deleted because the mods deleted a post I was responding to

I hate when they do that!

Steve

[Number 10 GI]

That's how it was founded, and what its original mission was. It is currently one of the most powerful, influential, and profitable lobbyist organizations in the country. They fight against ANY restrictions on firearms - including universal background checks. In other words - all the criminals who have an extensive criminal history of gun violence - all the people who have violent histories but have not yet ever registered for gun ownership and are trying to do so now... the NRA supports NOT doing a background check to ensure that the guns aren't just being put into those hands.

They're basically saying "hey you - with the $250 permit fee written in nice neat letters on your check. Wanna buy a gun? Oh, you might have been arrested for beating all three of your previous wives? Nah don't worry about it. Just don't put that on the application form, we won't be checking you out anyway. Here. Have a gun, and a nice day."

That is the NRA in a nutshell, now. A far cry from what it once was.

Wow, the misinformation in this post.

[Number 10 GI]

What I understand is that ANY problem can be solved IF large resources ($) and expertise and time are devoted to it. That's why the US was 1st to the moon. (Note : in a time when the tax law did NOT favor the rich who stop it circulating by putting it in Swiss bank accounts). Today, with respect to the problem of auto-loading military-style rifles, IF--IF the rich profiteering gun manufacturers (that take your $ on their high margin m-style weapons) were to STOP manufacturing THOSE and the Police had the resources ($) to do BUY-BACKS it would WORK. Society would have to pony up the big bucks, YES. Don't forget that Police are the ones NOT killed by single-shot and bolt action (used by hunters). The Police who sat down and thought about it would LIKE the idea of those BUY-BACKS. Matter of fact they do NOW, but don't have enough $ to buy enough from the marginal criminals, who would gladly sell them and go back to being pick-pockets as...like maybe 1940 or so. PS...single shots and bolt are LOWER margin weapons.

Have you forgot about the "War on Drugs" that used millions of dollars, time and effort that hasn't cut the demand for drugs one bit? You totally ignore the fact that organized crime will provide the guns criminals need to commit crime. The number of shootings involving AR and AK rifles is miniscule when compared to the total shootings in the U.S. As I posted earlier far more people are killed with hammers than with rifles. If you check you will find the majority of police officers are not in favor of banning military style rifles.

[Number 10 GI]

Would be interesting to hear exactly who those groups might be.
I have only read two groups on here, as excluded are those who "use" those two.

You keep talking about these groups that use BLM and ANTIF as a smokescreen, who are they? Present some believable information sources that support your contention.

[Steve9930]

I don't know which of "these" groups you're referring to but...it really doesn't matter. As far as you're concerned, it isn't your place to decide. They are, or are not, domestic terrorists that need you to defend us from, when and if they are decreed by someone of a higher pay scale than you had when you took that oath, to be domestic terrorists. Until then, stand down, or you will BE that domestic terrorist you are claiming to defend us against.

Those groups have already made their intentions known. I would much rather die defending this country then live under what is being proposed. It is exactly what that oath meant.

[Steve9930]

You keep talking about these groups that use BLM and ANTIF as a smokescreen, who are they? Present some believable information sources that support your contention.

Media Matters: Run by George Soros
Black Lives Matter Global Fund Network: Run by 3 Marxist ladies.
Thousand Currents: Run by a far left gentleman out in California.
ANTIFA: Just have to watch and listen to the people that represent the movement.
Color of Change.

If you want links to the people I would gladly provide them but it will be deleted I'm sure. Reasearch those organizations, follow the money. Read their platform.

[Bikeracer2009]

The guy yelling "white supremacist" from his golf cart is all over the news today.

Maybe this will be more than food for thought.

I hope that guy is proud of his racism. If things get crazy around here we'll know who to thank.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The guy yelling "white supremacist" from his golf cart is all over the news today.

Maybe this will be more than food for thought.

I hope that guy is proud of his racism. If things get crazy around here we'll know who to thank.

We'll thank him, and everyone who supports him, and everyone who agrees with him, and everyone who lets him continue behaving that way.

He's not the only one. He's just one of the more vocal ones, apparently.

[Steve9930]

The guy yelling "white supremacist" from his golf cart is all over the news today.

Maybe this will be more than food for thought.

I hope that guy is proud of his racism. If things get crazy around here we'll know who to thank.

So the woman shouting a four letter word at everyone is acceptable? When you yell obscenities at someone who you don't know there is no idea what will comeback. THe whole thing was despicable. I'm sure her grandchildren are proud. She is all over the internet.

[Kenswing]

That video would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.. There's plenty for both sides to hang their heads in shame for..
Seniors Protesting Hilarious - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCHfe-Ij5YM)

[anothersteve]

The "other side" from my perspective, (the video) were the instigators. Poor guy, everyone, was provoked all around.
Steve

[Steve9930]

That video would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.. There's plenty for both sides to hang their heads in shame for..
Seniors Protesting Hilarious - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCHfe-Ij5YM)

Not very smart. Her name and location is now known all over the internet. I'm sure her Grandchildren and her children are so proud of her behavior. The whole thing was despicable behavior. At this age you would think people would have mellowed a bit.

[Number 10 GI]

Totally disgusting behavior from people who should be old enough to know better. Real trash mouths.

[Steve9930]

Totally disgusting behavior from people who should be old enough to know better. Real trash mouths.

That video will exist long after all these people are gone. The internet lives forever.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Vulgarities don't bother me - I have a trash mouth, even though I don't use it quite as generously. I get that it bothers people though, which is why I don't use it quite as generously. I respect that these words are not appreciated by certain people, so I keep it to myself when in mixed company. But posters here who are more upset about vulgarities than they are someone yelling "white power?" That bothers me. That bothers me greatly.

[ejp52]

:welcome:

[Number 10 GI]

People that use that kind of language in public are trash and have no more morals than a mongrel dog. I spent a career in the Army and I have heard and used every cuss word there is but never in public. People that use that kind of language in public show how low class they are.

[ejp52]

This might be a good place to ask where the closest shooting range is. Is there a gun club in The Villages? I don’t own a firearm but want to purchase one. It’s been over 30 years since I picked up a weapon—Marine Corps. Would enjoy picking up the hobby again.

Home (https://www.vssclub.org/) Gun club.

Indoor Shooting Range & Gun Store | Shooters World The Villages (https://www.shootersworld.com/locations/the-villages/)

:welcome:

[ColdNoMore]

Vulgarities don't bother me - I have a trash mouth, even though I don't use it quite as generously. I get that it bothers people though, which is why I don't use it quite as generously. I respect that these words are not appreciated by certain people, so I keep it to myself when in mixed company.

But posters here who are more upset about vulgarities than they are someone yelling "white power?"

That bothers me.

That bothers me greatly.

Ditto. :oops:


And at 1:17 when someone says "racist pig" and another person responds with "I resemble that remark and love it."


Not exactly a great way to negate the stereotype of what so many think...describes The Villages. :ohdear:

[Bay Kid]

"Black Power" is ok?

[billethkid]

The video is typical of how the media uses their position to display what they want you to believe is really going on.

How convenient the camera only covered the obnoxious instigator shouting foul language at the golf carts. And yet the only focus and reported response was that of one driver who did not have the sense to ignore the instigator. And then that clip becomes national news.
And that clip is titled and presented as if it were representative of TV residents.

The instigator's job was to incite and bait a response. Her actions and foul mouthing contributed nothing to the so called BLM "cause".

What a role model she presents for her children, grand children or any youngsters near enough to hear her.
Never mind, she obviously could care less.

[Bucco]

The video is typical of how the media uses their position to display what they want you to believe is really going on.

How convenient the camera only covered the obnoxious instigator shouting foul language at the golf carts. And yet the only focus and reported response was that of one driver who did not have the sense to ignore the instigator. And then that clip becomes national news.
And that clip is titled and presented as if it were representative of TV residents.

The instigator's job was to incite and bait a response. Her actions and foul mouthing contributed nothing to the so called BLM "cause".

What a role model she presents for her children, grand children or any youngsters near enough to hear her.
Never mind, she obviously could care less.

The story was about not what you saw, but the leader of the free world supporting a cause that is unacceptable throughout the world.

Had it not been retweeted, you would not have known it happened.

Every tweet from this source is world wide news, and everything said from that pulpit is worldwide news and always has been. It is being spoken for the country