Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity

[GoodLife]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

[Bogie Shooter]

7 months between photos, a lot can happen in 7 months and not part of a conspiracy theory.....just sayin.

[ColdNoMore]

Bubba is not the one who found or saw it, so I'm actually hoping that it was just something someone else found/saw...and was simply misconstrued.

I'm sure those investigating...will eventually let us know.

What is still true though, is that confederate flags were in high demand...at the vendor's across the street.

[GoodLife]

7 months between photos, a lot can happen in 7 months and not part of a conspiracy theory.....just sayin.

Sure it can, it's just curious that Bubba's rope pulldown "noose" was there before and now missing, rope is much shorter etc. Here's a photo of another bay at Talladega with the "noose"

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[manaboutown]

So, this may be much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot or a Smollett style maneuver?

[GoodLife]

So, this may be much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot or a Smollett style maneuver?

We've seen "Smollett" style "hate crimes" being faked over and over. Student activists hang nooses on their door, write themselves fake hate letters etc so my spidey sense goes on alert every time I hear about one.

Something is very fishy about this one. The guy who discovered the "noose" called Nascar officials immediately and they were first on the scene, before the FBI.

Nascar President Steve Phelps was asked:

Can you confirm, was the rope the rope you would normally use to pull down the garage door?

Phelps: "I'm not sure, I have no information on that"

So none of the Nascar officials that went to the garage described the noose, took a cell photo of it and let Phelps know? I find that hard to believe.

Bubba is an outspoken proponent of Black Lives Matter, sported an "I can't breath tee shirt" which he has every right to do but also means he might want a big noose story in the press. Nascar is reopening with a big new marketing campaign, pushing for a more diverse audience and like many corporations, wants to show how "woke" they are.

If Nascar knew immediately that this was a case of mistaken identity, it was just a standard pulldown rope "noose" then they have perpetrated a fraud on the public by letting the story run. If they did this, they are going to try and cover it up.

[Bucco]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

ALWAYS a conspiracy theory. The oddball, eccentric, extreme website grind them out with joy.

From the Martin Gugino theory, to murders in Florida committed by newscasters, there is always something.

From pedophiles in a pizza parlor, it simply goes on. From doctored graphs to stolen and edited quotes, there is always something.

The photos on this thread are from a Twitter account called...LAST REFUGE or LAST REFUGE 2, a rag tag group who enjoys this kind of social media.

[manaboutown]

When I first hear about "the noose" I envisioned a thick rope fashioned into a hangman style noose shockingly hanging from a sturdy rafter inside the garage so that when the door was opened one would be shocked when he saw it hanging down in front of his face. Then I saw the photos of the actual "noose" and literally burst out laughing as it possibly if not likely was simply a loop tied at the end of the pulldown cord at the side of the garage door.

Many occupants of self storage units with pull down doors tie loops at the end of their pull down cords to provide them with a slip free grip. lol

Too, I did not realize Bubba is a fan of BLM, the Burning, Looting Mob. That makes me suspicious this may be just another fake hate crime, and there have been many of them going back over the last few decades.

[GoodLife]

ALWAYS a conspiracy theory. The oddball, eccentric, extreme website grind them out with joy.

From the Martin Gugino theory, to murders in Florida committed by newscasters, there is always something.

From pedophiles in a pizza parlor, it simply goes on. From doctored graphs to stolen and edited quotes, there is always something.

The photos on this thread are from a Twitter account called...LAST REFUGE or LAST REFUGE 2, a rag tag group who enjoys this kind of social media.

LOL The 1st photo was taken from a video posted on youtube by Rowdy Maglite posted in 2019, it shows all the garages with rope "noose" pull downs. Take a look for yourself

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyL4UoX2Nqc&feature=youtu.be&t=53)

The 2nd photo, taken on day of incident, was taken by Racing News and shows the rope has been cut and no "noose"

FBI investigating noose hung in NASCAR garage - Racing News (https://racingnews.co/2020/06/22/fbi-investigating-noose-hung-in-nascar-garage/)

Lots of hate crimes have been proven to be hoaxes.

If the NOOSECAR does not fit
It's too smollet to acquit

[manaboutown]

If the noose is too small I smell a snarky Smollett snit.

[TexaninVA]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

The Bubba noose is possibly a hoax. Don't know but time will tell.

When Jessie Smollett pulled his hoax, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature could figure it out. This one somehow seems too perfect in it's timing coupled with the emotional Nascar photo op.

Call me ... skeptical.

[ColdNoMore]

Bubba is not the one who found or saw it, so I'm actually hoping that it was just something someone else found/saw...and was simply misconstrued.

I'm sure those investigating...will eventually let us know.

What is still true though, is that confederate flags were in high demand...at the vendor's across the street.

*Breaking News*

The FBI just released a statement, that in essence stated...Bubba was NOT the target of a hate crime.

Which, as I said above...is actually a relief. :thumbup:

And I will give it to Goodlife's reports, that it looks like it WAS a door pull rope (that was made to look like a noose sometime last fall and prior to Wallace being assigned the stall at this race)...that was just misconstrued by a crew member.

Good news...all the way around. :cool:

[TexaninVA]

*Breaking News*

The FBI just released a statement, that in essence stated...Bubba was NOT the target of a hate crime.

Which, as I said above...is actually a relief. :thumbup:

And I will give it to Goodlife's reports, that it looks like it WAS a door pull rope (that was made to look like a noose sometime last fall and prior to Wallace being assigned the stall at this race)...that was just misconstrued by a crew member.

Good news...all the way around. :cool:

Good news yes but not really ... it shows how easily people's emotions and "feelings" can be manipulated.

Nascar should apologize for being this dumb

[ColdNoMore]

Good news yes but not really ... it shows how easily people's emotions and "feelings" can be manipulated.

Nascar should apologize for being this dumb

DARNED RIGHT!! :mad:

Especially since it's not like there are plenty of the NASCAR base that are livid with the banning of confederate flags and on top of that, it's not like there's ever been a case where a rope noose...has been used to try and intimidate black people. :oops:

What in the heck was NASCAR even thinking? :D


All-in-all though, it IS...a big relief. :thumbup:

[GoodLife]

*Breaking News*

The FBI just released a statement, that in essence stated...Bubba was NOT the target of a hate crime.

Which, as I said above...is actually a relief. :thumbup:

And I will give it to Goodlife's reports, that it looks like it WAS a door pull rope (that was made to look like a noose sometime last fall and prior to Wallace being assigned the stall at this race)...that was just misconstrued by a crew member.

Good news...all the way around. :cool:

Always trust content from Goodlife! Where's my Pulitzer? :icon_wink:

I want to know what Nascar knew, and when they knew it. I think they knew right away but the photo op was too good to pass up

There is a reckoning of a different order due.

[DeanFL]

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"The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime. The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall. This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment."

...so as Roseanne Roseannadanna said. "Oh. That's very different. Never Mind".

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[ColdNoMore]

Always trust content from Goodlife! Where's my Pulitzer? :icon_wink:

I want to know what Nascar knew, and when they knew it. I think they knew right away but the photo op was too good to pass up

There is a reckoning of a different order due.

Puhleeze. :1rotfl:

One more time being correct and you'll be tied...with a broken clock. :D

As for a "photo-op," where did you see photos of the rope...in this incident?

Not to mention, why would NASCAR want to bring such negative publicity?

And exactly what is this..."reckoning of a different order due?" :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

Puhleeze. :1rotfl:

One more time being correct and you'll be tied...with a broken clock. :D

As for a "photo-op," where did you see photos of the rope...in this incident?

Not to mention, why would NASCAR want to bring such negative publicity?

And exactly what is this..."reckoning of a different order due?" :ohdear:

One time? LOL We should have a math and division seminar.

The photo op was all the Nascar drivers pushing Bubba's car in support. Nascar has a new marketing strategy which I explained up thread, they want to attract more diverse fans and like most corps nowadays, want to be perceived as woke.

I need more details on how this "racial hate crime" hoax was spread, who knew what and when they knew it. All someone had to do was look at the other car bays there, they all have "nooses" Could have been solved in 60 seconds.

[ColdNoMore]

One time? LOL We should have a math and division seminar.

The photo op was all the Nascar drivers pushing Bubba's car in support. Nascar has a new marketing strategy which I explained up thread, they want to attract more diverse fans and like most corps nowadays, want to be perceived as woke.

I need more details on how this "racial hate crime" hoax was spread, who knew what and when they knew it. All someone had to do was look at the other car bays there, they all have "nooses" Could have been solved in 60 seconds.

:1rotfl:

A "noose" is only ONE type of a "loop." :oops:

[GoodLife]

:1rotfl:

A "noose" is only ONE type of a "loop." :oops:

I didn't call it a noose, Nascar, Bubba, and the media did.

That's why I used quotes

Let me help

What do quotes around a word mean?
Quotation marks around single words can occasionally be used for emphasis, but only when quoting a word or term someone else used. Usually, this implies that the author doesn’t agree with the use of the term.

[ColdNoMore]

Only about 11-1/2 hours...to go. :1rotfl:

[GoodLife]

Somebody bought this story hook line and sinker, not me.

Sunday night marked a tipping point for NASCAR. Sunday night, the series disclosed that someone had left a noose — the symbol of this nation’s original sin, the undeniable message of intimidation, a sign so cruel and cutting it defies imagination — in the garage stall of Bubba Wallace, the Cup series’ lone Black driver.

No talk about boy scout knots and loops :ohdear:

[Bucco]

Came back to say I am excited this was not a real threat.

Sorry, I am still sick of the constant conspiracy theories.

[anothersteve]

Came back to say I am excited this was not a real threat.


Some might find it hard to believe but...........me also.

Steve

[GoodLife]

Came back to say I am excited this was not a real threat.

Sorry, I am still sick of the constant conspiracy theories.

Well I am sick of the constant race hoaxes.

These garage pull down ropes at Talladega all have "nooses" on them In sixty seconds anyone who saw the pulldown rope or investigating this would have seen this.

Bubba knew this was a hoax
Nascar knew it was a hoax

They wanted to ride the woke train for cash and free publicity. The car walk with all the drivers was planned and staged even though they knew it was a hoax. It was all a show and of course the media outlets like CNN ran with it.

The View
@TheView
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@BubbaWallace
on those who believe the noose incident was staged: “It’s simple-minded people like that, the ones that are afraid of change, they use everything in their power to defend what they stand up for... instead of trying to listen and understand what’s going on.”

We understand what's going on Bubba, and we learned that you tried to pass off a pull down rope with a loop at the end as full blown hate crime.

Nascar President Steve Phelps: (after FBI said no hate crime)

“We are continuing our investigation as to why there was a rope fashioned into a noose,”

Sure buddy, you knew that Bubba's crew member cut the "noose" from the pull down rope and you also know that every garage bay at Talladega has one just like it. Your company owns the facility. What a joke.

If internet sleuths didn't track down the 2019 video showing all the Talladega garages had pulldown ropes with loops on them this hoax might still be alive. Shame on media like CNN who run anything that fits their agenda and do zero due diligence.

[ColdNoMore]

- We understand what's going on Bubba, and we learned that you tried to pass off a pull down rope with a loop at the end as full blown hate crime.

- ...and you also know that every garage bay at Talladega has one just like it.



1. Bubba never even saw the noose...it was someone else who saw and reported it. So trying to blame it on him, simply shows exactly what some people have been saying. :oops:

2. People need to educate themselves on the difference between a "loop" and a "noose." They are NOT the same...nor are they tied the same.

3. While every door has a "rope," (probably a lot with some type of "loop" at the end and probably some with a simple knot at the end)...there is NOT a "noose" in every stall at Talladega. That's simply a made up lie...to justify other things.

4. Bucco nailed it about all of the "conspiracies." Most of them seem meant to excuse, what most decent people...find abhorrent. :ohdear:

[coalminer]

Instead of buying into conspiracy theories maybe we should admit that there are active racists amongst us who spread hate and anger that I'll affects all of us.

[jacksonbrown]

NOOSECAR?

You'll crack me up!

[Heyitsrick]

1. Bubba never even saw the noose...it was someone else who saw and reported it. So trying to blame it on him, simply shows exactly what some people have been saying.

Typical straw man response. The quote you responded to doesn't say Wallace saw the rope.

2. People need to educate themselves on the difference between a "loop" and a "noose." They are NOT the same...nor are they tied the same.

Thank goodness we have an expert on noose-creation here. By definition, a noose is a loop. What distinguishes it is that it acts like a slipknot and tightens when pulled.

3. While every door has a "rope," (probably a lot with some type of "loop" at the end and probably some with a simple knot at the end)...there is NOT a "noose" in every stall at Talladega. That's simply a made up lie...to justify other things.

Funny how Wallace is now doubling down on this being a noose, even after the investigation:

Wallace speaking to CNN's Don Lemon (https://twitter.com/i/status/1275620027597828102)

[Girlcopper]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
Actually, who cares? Take the news with a grain of salt. Each paper has a different spin on things so read them all if you want, then start your day. No one knows the true stories so? Who cares?...

[dbmachine]

Sad to see NASCAR stoop to this BLM movement. BLM is a political organization and only uses black lives to fit their narrative, funding, and white guilt. If they cared about black lives they’d be sitting on the steps of Chicago’s city government after this past weekend.

[stadry]

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. what is the crime ???

If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. life's full of jerks

If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted. filing a false police report is a crime

[terenceanne]

Just fake news - no investigation of actual facts.

[Bay Kid]

BLM is a hate group. BUBBA is a representative of BLM. Creating trouble, hate and fear. He is a spoiled kid. Lots of press to promote hate and they will continue to act like spoiled Bubba is a hero. Nascar now has to suck it up and apologize.

[Scorpyo]

This mornings news. According to authorities the noose was probably there for a very long time. Had nothing to do with Bubba. No one would know he was going to use the garage at this time. May have been used to hold something. However instead of being happy it had nothing to do with him and it wasn’t a racist statement directed at him Bubba is still complaining that a noose is a noose. Guess we have to get rid of rope now.

[DeanFL]

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I must say, I am so very tired of this story. I wake up to a local NewsRadio show every morning. This topic was discussed ad nauseam for over 1/2 hour. OMG. Let's review.

Media - "A NOOSE IS FOUND IN BUBBA WALLACE"S GARAGE AT TELLADAGA!!!
RACIST SYMBOL FOUND IN ONLY BLACK NASCAR DRIVER'S GARAGE" NASCAR AND FBI INVESTIGATING! 15 FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED AND WILL THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS HATE CRIME! NASCAR CHIEF VOWS THAT PERP WILL BE PROCECUTED AS A FEDERAL CRIME!!! ALL DRIVERS BAND TOGETHER IN SORROW FOR BUBBA AND THIS DISPICABLE ACT!!! YET ANOTHER HORRIBLE HATE CRIME IN THE USA!

This went on for days - reporters on site, interviews, parades in support, live coverage nationwide, etc etc. BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!! MEDIA SWARMS all over this topic - RACIST!!!!

...then after days of MEDIA Blitz... never mind, it was just a garage door pull that's been there for 9 months.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Anyone with common sense, looking at the "scene" could see the rope was connected to the door, and would be laying on the ground when the door was closed. It was a common way to close a manual overhead door. Used millions of times over the years (including in my garages at times). Is it a RACIST SYMBOL!!!! nope, just a simple way to attach and use. A call to previous users of this garage would have shown - it's been there for a long time, and NOT put up to harass Bubba or Blacks. period. But - what happens - escalate to the media and the swarm begins. HOURS and HOURS of national/worlwide coverage, creating a swell of anger. ...then "never mind".



“On Monday, fifteen FBI special agents conducted numerous interviews regarding the situation at Talladega Superspeedway. After a thorough review of the facts and evidence surrounding the event, we have concluded that no federal crime was committed.

The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019. Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.

The decision not to pursue federal charges is proper after reviewing all available facts and all applicable federal laws. We offer our thanks to NASCAR, Mr. Wallace and everyone who cooperated with this investigation.”

NASCAR said it was thankful that there was no intentional act committed against Wallace.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime,” the statement reads. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.

“This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment. We appreciate the FBI’s quick and thorough investigation and are thankful to learn that this was not an intentional, racist act against Bubba. We remain steadfast in our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all who love racing.”

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.

FBI finally finish the investigation and deemed NOT TO BE A HATE CRIME, but a rope to pull down the garage door in case of a power outage!!!!! :boom:

[Heyitsrick]

They most likely won't admit it, but this is pretty much a PR nightmare for NASCAR and Wallace. Jumping on the "woke" wagon before any investigation had been completed was a mistake. And now Wallace is essentially continuing to say that this rope was a noose, contrary to all the evidence that has been uncovered.

So, what would the correct way to proceed be, PR-wise? Admit as much, and move on. An apology would serve well, too. But it doesn't look like that (as of this writing) is the strategy. Yeah, I can just picture NASCAR fans cheering how this incident has been publicized, not to mention how Wallace is continuing the "noose" statements even after the FBI has investigated. Oh, I'm sure the spin folks will deflect around it. But it's not a good look.

[ColdNoMore]

Typical straw man response. The quote you responded to doesn't say Watson saw the rope.

Thank goodness we have an expert on noose-creation here. By definition, a noose is a loop. What distinguishes it is that it acts like a slipknot and tightens when pulled.

Funny how Watson is now doubling down on this being a noose, even after the investigation:

Watson speaking to CNN's Don Lemon (https://twitter.com/i/status/1275620027597828102)


Well, let's look at the facts. :oops:

Character Attacks (pull here) (http://www.yahoo.com/sports/bubba-wallace-****ed-about-attacks-on-character-after-investigation-into-noose-in-his-garage-wont-lead-to-charges-031612677.html)

Wallace made clear what has been publicly reported numerous times but seems to still be causing confusion among those attacking his character on social media.

He did not see the noose on Sunday and he was not the one who reported it to NASCAR.

“Don, the image that I have seen of what was hanging in my garage is not a garage pull,” Wallace said. “I’ve been racing all my life.

We’ve raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that.

People that want to call it a garage pull put out old videos and photos of knots as their evidence, go ahead. From the evidence that I have, it’s a straight-up noose. The FBI has stated that it was a noose over and over again. NASCAR leadership has stated that it was a noose.

I can confirm that. I actually got evidence of what was hanging in my garage over my car around my pit crew guy to confirm that it was a noose.

Never seen anything like it.”


The big question is..."why would anyone think fashioning a noose...would be appropriate in the first place?"

Oh yeah, that's right...I know why.

Given the history of racism within NASCAR and the use of nooses by white people to intimidate blacks throughout the history in this country, a lot of people would think it's funny...and no big deal.

Add the unwarranted attempted character assassination of Wallace, the outrage by many of NASCAR'S recent outright ban on confederate flags...I predict we'll see more cretins start coming out of the woodwork than usual. :ohdear:

I'm just grateful that this incident has an explanation...that wasn't driven by hate. :ho:

[Biggles]

The noose found in Nascar driver Bubba Wallace's garage on Sunday was actually a handle on a garage door and had been there since last year, an FBI investigation concluded.

[Eg_cruz]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
You know, I know And the FBI there was no noose. The media played right into making believe there was a noose hanging in the garage. In fact it was as stated by the FBI a door pull down rope. Bubba says he has prove it was a hanging noose but has yet to show the media.......can you say Bubba Smollett

[Bay Kid]

First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

[DeanFL]

First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.


Perhaps post on current Thread>>>

... post >>> Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)

[Guitarman1951]

We have seen some stories about "nooses" found recently that turned out to be hoaxes or cases of mistaken identity. Recently in an Oakland park, several "nooses" were found and made a big splash in the media about hateful racist symbols. Then a black man came forward and told authorities that he and his friends put the "nooses" there to use for some kind of swing exercise.

‘Nooses’ in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/19/nooses-in-oakland-park-were-exercise-aids-man-says/)

So recently a noose was found in Bubba Wallace's race car bay at a Nascar race. From what I have read, Bubba did not find the noose, it was somebody authorized to be in there. If you have ever been to a Nascar race you would know it is not easy to get even near these bays that house multi million dollar race cars and lots of expensive equipment.

The FBI was on the case immediately, they probably have the noose, but no photos of it have been released to my knowledge. Reports do not seem to mention where it was found, although some say "hanging"

Now some people have been analyzing photos of these garage bays at Talledega taken before and after the incident, and they have noticed something curious.

Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

This is a photo of Bay 4 taken in November 2019 on the left, you can clearly see the rope with a noose and it's length. On the right is photo after incident showing rope cut and no noose..

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This is a photo of Bay 4 on day of incident, you can see Bubba's car inside and also some FBI agents inside talking to someone. The rope pull is clearly shorter and there is no noose. You can see the rope in Bay 5 to the left

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So what does one make of this?

Maybe the FBI will come up with a photo of the noose made from different rope.

Maybe someone managed to cut the pulldown rope noose and place it in the garage. I am pretty sure Nascar has surveillance cameras in this area so we will see.

Maybe whomever discovered the "noose" was not aware that all the bays at Talledega have these "noose like" garage door pulldowns and panicked, thinking it was a racist hate symbol designed to intimidate Bubba.

We shall see. If someone placed a noose deliberately in Bubba's garage then I hope they are caught and prosecuted. If someone mistook the rope pull down for a noose then they need to say my bad and apologize. If someone cooked this up to create a story then they need to be prosecuted.
Anymore, the news media doesn't hesitate to report on something like this without getting more info about the facts. Usually after it has been proven false, they don't even bother to correct it. News media has become more like the infamous National Enquirer, make it up by twisting the truth or ignoring facts. They have lost their credibility with me but too many just eat this stuff up, ready to believe anything. Walter Concrite probably turning in his grave.

[BossLady]

Gees... Do you think its possible that some mechanic saw the loop and was concerned for a black friend when there is a lot of weird stuff going on??
Maybe it was an overreaction from a well-meaning colleague?
Maybe Bubba got dragged into a situation?
Maybe he wishes this hadn’t happened at all.

Frankly this forum is mean, boring, monopolized by the same old, pot-stirring voices, the same repetitive “anti” opinions. This forum douses my enthusiasm for TV.

[MandoMan]

F.B.I. Says Noose Was in NASCAR Garage Since Last Year - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/sports/autoracing/bubba-wallace-noose-nascar.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200624&instance_id=19652&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=31706&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

[ColdNoMore]

First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

CBS at this time is interviewing Bubba for some reason and they are still calling it a noose. Bubba is a little down... because it wasn't a noose. Agenda.

Wrong...and just more 'fake news.' :oops:

It WAS a noose, as reported by the FBI and NASCAR and it was NASCAR itself, that told Bubba about it...as he never even actually saw it.

Given the dozens of ways to make a "loop," or even just tying a knot at the end of the rope to pull down the stall door...why the continued excusing of an actual noose?

Particularly given the history of NASCAR'S fans...and now that confederate flags are banned?

That was a rhetorical question, of course...because we all know why.

But don't let facts get in the way. :ohdear:

[kenoc7]

So, this may be much ado about nothing, a tempest in a teapot or a Smollett style maneuver?
That is an insulting and demeaning comment. Wallace never even saw the "noose;" he was informed about it by the President of NASCAR.

[ColdNoMore]

Gees... Do you think its possible that some mechanic saw the loop and was concerned for a black friend when there is a lot of weird stuff going on??
Maybe it was an overreaction from a well-meaning colleague?
Maybe Bubba got dragged into a situation?
Maybe he wishes this hadn’t happened at all.

Frankly this forum is mean, boring, monopolized by the same old, pot-stirring voices, the same repetitive “anti” opinions. This forum douses my enthusiasm for TV.

How dare you write such an accurate...and excellent post? :oops:


You will now become a target, of which given those who will spew their vitriol and lead the attacks...you should wear it as a badge of honor. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

That is an insulting and demeaning comment. Wallace never even saw the "noose;" he was informed about it by the President of NASCAR.

While your attempt to educate is laudable, truth and facts will never matter...to certain folks. :ohdear:

[BossLady]

Again... loop, rope, noose, whatever... Let’s be kind. Someone got concerned and reported something. It was found to be nothing harmful. Let’s be kind about/to the guy who now gets to deal with all of this...

Offering kindness goes a long way to making one feel better about themselves.

[John_W]

Just heard on the news this morning that the rope had been on the door for over a year and the driver's weren't even assigned their garage bay until last week before the race.

You would think just knowing that this is a temporary stall and no one even knew who would occupy it, that someone with half a brain could of figured this out, before it became the NATIONAL FAKE NEWS STORY OF THE WEEK!! Why let FACTS get in the way of a good story!!

[capecodbob]

That is an insulting and demeaning comment. Wallace never even saw the "noose;" he was informed about it by the President of NASCAR.
Wallace commented on the noose as though it was fact. Watched his interview last night. He needs to apologize to his dwindling fan base. And to the 15 FBI agents that worked the case. AND he needs to get rid of the Black Lives Matter on his car. I find that very offensive.

[DeanFL]

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If ANYONE desires an example of FAKE NEWS - This one is right up top.

And as usual, when these occur, the Media sweeps it under the rug. Like a retraction of falsehoods from a newspaper that ends up on page C27.

Common sense on this "noose" topic SHOULD HAVE been renounced within 15 minutes, and NEVER reached media. Sign of our times, and so sad.



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I must say, I am so very tired of this story. I wake up to a local NewsRadio show every morning. This topic was discussed ad nauseam for over 1/2 hour. OMG. Let's review.

Media - "A NOOSE IS FOUND IN BUBBA WALLACE"S GARAGE AT TELLADAGA!!!
RACIST SYMBOL FOUND IN ONLY BLACK NASCAR DRIVER'S GARAGE" NASCAR AND FBI INVESTIGATING! 15 FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED AND WILL THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE THIS HATE CRIME! NASCAR CHIEF VOWS THAT PERP WILL BE PROCECUTED AS A FEDERAL CRIME!!! ALL DRIVERS BAND TOGETHER IN SORROW FOR BUBBA AND THIS DISPICABLE ACT!!! YET ANOTHER HORRIBLE HATE CRIME IN THE USA!

This went on for days - reporters on site, interviews, parades in support, live coverage nationwide, etc etc. BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!! MEDIA SWARMS all over this topic - RACIST!!!!

...then after days of MEDIA Blitz... never mind, it was just a garage door pull that's been there for 9 months.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Anyone with common sense, looking at the "scene" could see the rope was connected to the door, and would be laying on the ground when the door was closed. It was a common way to close a manual overhead door. Used millions of times over the years (including in my garages at times). Is it a RACIST SYMBOL!!!! nope, just a simple way to attach and use. A call to previous users of this garage would have shown - it's been there for a long time, and NOT put up to harass Bubba or Blacks. period. But - what happens - escalate to the media and the swarm begins. HOURS and HOURS of national/worlwide coverage, creating a swell of anger. ...then "never mind".



“On Monday, fifteen FBI special agents conducted numerous interviews regarding the situation at Talladega Superspeedway. After a thorough review of the facts and evidence surrounding the event, we have concluded that no federal crime was committed.

The FBI learned that garage number 4, where the noose was found, was assigned to Bubba Wallace last week. The investigation also revealed evidence, including authentic video confirmed by NASCAR, that the noose found in garage number 4 was in that garage as early as October 2019. Although the noose is now known to have been in garage number 4 in 2019, nobody could have known Mr. Wallace would be assigned to garage number 4 last week.

The decision not to pursue federal charges is proper after reviewing all available facts and all applicable federal laws. We offer our thanks to NASCAR, Mr. Wallace and everyone who cooperated with this investigation.”

NASCAR said it was thankful that there was no intentional act committed against Wallace.

“The FBI has completed its investigation at Talladega Superspeedway and determined that Bubba Wallace was not the target of a hate crime,” the statement reads. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.

“This was obviously well before the 43 team’s arrival and garage assignment. We appreciate the FBI’s quick and thorough investigation and are thankful to learn that this was not an intentional, racist act against Bubba. We remain steadfast in our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all who love racing.”

[alemorkam]

Still waiting for an apology from Bubba Wallace and NASCAR for all the hype their false claim has caused in this country.

[alemorkam]

An apology from Bubba Wallace and NASCAR for creating such fear in our country would be great.

[Scorpyo]

Has anyone actually seen this “noose”. Was it a bowline with an extra couple of twists and then interpreted as a noose? About 6 months ago I was thinking of going on my rooftop in GA. I got paracord and googled knots. It was pretty interesting. I made a bunch of knots. I didn’t make a noose, not because of a potential racial connection but because it was more work than I wanted to do. But I was tempted. Glad I didn’t because I would have obviously been a racist if I did so. So to simply make a racial connection to a piece of rope with a complicated knot seems like an intentional stretch. Incidentally, I never went up on the roof. And I recommend getting some rope and learn to make some knots. It was actually fun.

[DeanFL]

Has anyone actually seen this “noose”. Was it a bowline with an extra couple of twists and then interpreted as a noose? About 6 months ago I was thinking of going on my rooftop in GA. I got paracord and googled knots. It was pretty interesting. I made a bunch of knots. I didn’t make a noose, not because of a potential racial connection but because it was more work than I wanted to do. But I was tempted. Glad I didn’t because I would have obviously been a racist if I did so. So to simply make a racial connection to a piece of rope with a complicated knot seems like an intentional stretch. Incidentally, I never went up on the roof. And I recommend getting some rope and learn to make some knots. It was actually fun.

this was it> (duhhhh)>

[Scorpyo]

this was it> (duhhhh)>
I can’t see the exact knot. Look up bowline. Have it hanging from the ceiling to connect to something. Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh

[DeanFL]

I can’t see the exact knot. Look up bowline. Have it hanging from the ceiling to connect to something. Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh

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oh please. Does it really matter what "the exact knot" was? It WAS NOT tied to the ceiling or rafter - THAT would have been COMPLETELY different and warrant concern for sure. BUT IT WAS a device to pull the door down if power went out, attached to the DOOR - which would have been on the FLOOR when the door is closed! Common sense> We have that on almost every garage door in The Villages. Most of ours are from the mfr and fashioned as a rope with a plastic pull. Someone at Talledega fashioned this rope (as a loop to put your fingers...) last Fall - so this was a conspiracy??? knowing that Bubba would be assigned that garage in June '20?

"Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh"

Sure by folks who want to gen up yet another News piece and create MORE racial tension. nice job folks - done well, and we are STILL talking about it. their objective.

[Scorpyo]

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oh please. Does it really matter what "the exact knot" was? It WAS NOT tied to the ceiling or rafter - THAT would have been COMPLETELY different and warrant concern for sure. BUT IT WAS a device to pull the door down if power went out, attached to the DOOR - which would have been on the FLOOR when the door is closed! Common sense> We have that on almost every garage door in The Villages. Most of ours are from the mfr and fashioned as a rope with a plastic pull. Someone at Talledega fashioned this rope (as a loop to put your fingers...) last Fall - so this was a conspiracy??? knowing that Bubba would be assigned that garage in June '20?

"Guess what. You have what many people could construe as a noose. Duh"

Sure by folks who want to gen up yet another News piece and create MORE racial tension. nice job folks - done well, and we are STILL talking about it. their objective.
I had to chuckle when I read your post. I believe you were actually defending my position. I never said it was a noose I was sarcastically responding to another post. Go up a couple of threads and you’ll see what I said. The FBI never said it was a noose. They said it was fashioned like a noose. Get any piece of rope and tie a loop around the end and guess what. You have a rope fashioned like a noose. In this case that rope actually had a purpose so that takes away the argument that it was specifically created as a racial statement. I just went into my garage and took a picture of the garage door release rope and handle. When I installed it the handle kept hitting my trucks windshield. So what did I do, I tied it up higher with a knot. Guess what, it seems to be fashioned like.....you guessed it, a small noose. I guess I’m a racist and don’t even know it. Wish I knew how to put a picture here.

[GoodLife]

Well, let's look at the facts. :oops:

Character Attacks (pull here) (http://www.yahoo.com/sports/bubba-wallace-****ed-about-attacks-on-character-after-investigation-into-noose-in-his-garage-wont-lead-to-charges-031612677.html)



The big question is..."why would anyone think fashioning a noose...would be appropriate in the first place?"

Oh yeah, that's right...I know why.

Given the history of racism within NASCAR and the use of nooses by white people to intimidate blacks throughout the history in this country, a lot of people would think it's funny...and no big deal.

Add the unwarranted attempted character assassination of Wallace, the outrage by many of NASCAR'S recent outright ban on confederate flags...I predict we'll see more cretins start coming out of the woodwork than usual. :ohdear:

I'm just grateful that this incident has an explanation...that wasn't driven by hate. :ho:

The main difference between Noose and a loop Knot is that the Noose is a loop at the end of a rope in which the knot tightens under load and can be loosened without untying it. A loop knot does not tighten under load. Any third grader can tell the difference, stick your hand in a noose and pull and the noose tightens. Stick your hand in a loop knot and the loop stays the same size, does not tighten.

The fact that Bubba Smollet/Juicy Wallace is still calling this a noose shows that the whole thing is a big lie. Here's a video from 2017 of the Talladega garages, in almost every garage you can see a loop knot tied at the end of the pull down rope.

GarageCam: Walk through the Camping World garage at Talladega - YouTube (https://youtu.be/lN0ad_nS2Hw)

Bubba has raced at Talladega 5 times since 2018. His Penske crew have been racing there for ages. Drivers are assigned different garage bays every time they race.

"I've been racing all of my life, we've raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. ... It's a straight up noose." :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nooses have been used to hang people all over the globe for centuries. Asians, Caucasians, Latins, Blacks have all felt the hangman's knot. Blacks want to claim the noose as their own special symbol of racist hate. Be my guest but at least use actual nooses when you claim to be victims.

A loop knot is not "fashioned like a noose" and does not function like a noose. You can test the difference in 5 seconds. Bubba and crew have seen these loop knot pull downs before. This was just an opportune time for a hate crime hoax.

Here's a video of this hero, looks like a racist hate crime to me.

Bubba Wallace throws water in Alex Bowman's face after Charlotte Roval | Motorsports on NBC - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0eYtedPHlE4)

[roscoguy]

LOL The 1st photo was taken from a video posted on youtube by Rowdy Maglite posted in 2019, it shows all the garages with rope "noose" pull downs. Take a look for yourself

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyL4UoX2Nqc&feature=youtu.be&t=53)
Well, there went 14+ minutes of my life that I can't get back. :sad: Yeah, and after watching that stupid video twice, I'm calling your contention that all the garages in the video had nooses absolutely false. Even zoomed in, I saw ONE that was obviously tied like a noose & at least two that had no knot whatsoever.

The 2nd photo, taken on day of incident, was taken by Racing News and shows the rope has been cut and no "noose"

FBI investigating noose hung in NASCAR garage - Racing News (https://racingnews.co/2020/06/22/fbi-investigating-noose-hung-in-nascar-garage/)

Lots of hate crimes have been proven to be hoaxes.

If the NOOSECAR does not fit
It's too smollet to acquit

Questions remain:
(1) Why would you even fashion a door pull like a noose to begin with? There are plenty of other knots or even actual handles available.
(2) Anybody here have a noose for a garage door pull?
(3) Who actually cut the rope & was the noose found still attached to the door or inside the garage when found?
(4) Who is quicker to jump to conclusions: the people that found the "noose" or the people that automatically labelled the whole episode as a 'hoax'?

[GoodLife]

Well, there went 14+ minutes of my life that I can't get back. :sad: Yeah, and after watching that stupid video twice, I'm calling your contention that all the garages in the video had nooses absolutely false. Even zoomed in, I saw ONE that was obviously tied like a noose & at least two that had no knot whatsoever.



Questions remain:
(1) Why would you even fashion a door pull like a noose to begin with? There are plenty of other knots or even actual handles available.
(2) Anybody here have a noose for a garage door pull?
(3) Who actually cut the rope & was the noose found still attached to the door or inside the garage when found?
(4) Who is quicker to jump to conclusions: the people that found the "noose" or the people that automatically labelled the whole episode as a 'hoax'?

I posted the wrong video there, this one shows multiple bays at Talladega in 2017 with loop knots tied at the end of the pull down ropes. Bubba has raced at Talladega multiple times and his Penske crew even more. They have seen these before. This is a hoax.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/lN0ad_nS2Hw)

See post #56

[ALadysMom]

7 months between photos, a lot can happen in 7 months and not part of a conspiracy theory.....just sayin.

What are you Just Sayin now?

The ONLY ‘conspiracy theory’ was the one brought on by those who jumped to the wrong conclusion by assuming that it MUST be a sign of hatefulness.

That was a bigoted conspiracy theory assumption but hey, let’s just ignore that, ok?

It’s great that the FBI investigated the facts and quickly quashed this story before it was spun of control against NASCAR. (Pun intended)

[airdale2]

MY tied shoelaces may appear like a noose if someone wants to see it that way.

[DALEPQ]

This just shows that the media is hell bent on continuing to create a narrative of chaos, without verification, nor any retraction that it was found to be false by the FBI. Very sad that the media is so biased!

[Scorpyo]

MY tied shoelaces may appear like a noose if someone wants to see it that way.
Shame on you. Get rid of those unacceptable shoes. Get new ones with Velcro. Not white Velcro. Also you better not have shorts that have strings.

[Buckeye Bob]

We've seen "Smollett" style "hate crimes" being faked over and over. Student activists hang nooses on their door, write themselves fake hate letters etc so my spidey sense goes on alert every time I hear about one.

Something is very fishy about this one. The guy who discovered the "noose" called Nascar officials immediately and they were first on the scene, before the FBI.

Nascar President Steve Phelps was asked:

Can you confirm, was the rope the rope you would normally use to pull down the garage door?

Phelps: "I'm not sure, I have no information on that"

So none of the Nascar officials that went to the garage described the noose, took a cell photo of it and let Phelps know? I find that hard to believe.

Bubba is an outspoken proponent of Black Lives Matter, sported an "I can't breath tee shirt" which he has every right to do but also means he might want a big noose story in the press. Nascar is reopening with a big new marketing campaign, pushing for a more diverse audience and like many corporations, wants to show how "woke" they are.

If Nascar knew immediately that this was a case of mistaken identity, it was just a standard pulldown rope "noose" then they have perpetrated a fraud on the public by letting the story run. If they did this, they are going to try and cover it up.

NASCAR screwed up by immediately stating it was a noose and that when they find the perp, they will be banned for life. That leads everyone to assume it was a racist hate crime. Shame on NASCAR; they owe everyone an apology.

[nututv]

NASCAR screwed up by immediately stating it was a noose and that when they find the perp, they will be banned for life. That leads everyone to assume it was a racist hate crime. Shame on NASCAR; they owe everyone an apology.

Nah, they caved to the crowd. The wrong crowd. Any apology from them wouldn't be worth the time it took to listen to it. I would say I'll never watch them again but I've never watched them before. lol

[GoodLife]

Talladega Nights 2 The Noosecar

Starring Bubba Smollete and Juicy Wallace

Shake and Fake

[manaboutown]

The main difference between Noose and a loop Knot is that the Noose is a loop at the end of a rope in which the knot tightens under load and can be loosened without untying it. A loop knot does not tighten under load. Any third grader can tell the difference, stick your hand in a noose and pull and the noose tightens. Stick your hand in a loop knot and the loop stays the same size, does not tighten.

The fact that Bubba Smollet/Juicy Wallace is still calling this a noose shows that the whole thing is a big lie. Here's a video from 2017 of the Talladega garages, in almost every garage you can see a loop knot tied at the end of the pull down rope.

GarageCam: Walk through the Camping World garage at Talladega - YouTube (https://youtu.be/lN0ad_nS2Hw)

Bubba has raced at Talladega 5 times since 2018. His Penske crew have been racing there for ages. Drivers are assigned different garage bays every time they race.

"I've been racing all of my life, we've raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. ... It's a straight up noose." :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nooses have been used to hang people all over the globe for centuries. Asians, Caucasians, Latins, Blacks have all felt the hangman's knot. Blacks want to claim the noose as their own special symbol of racist hate. Be my guest but at least use actual nooses when you claim to be victims.

A loop knot is not "fashioned like a noose" and does not function like a noose. You can test the difference in 5 seconds. Bubba and crew have seen these loop knot pull downs before. This was just an opportune time for a hate crime hoax.

Here's a video of this hero, looks like a racist hate crime to me.

Bubba Wallace throws water in Alex Bowman's face after Charlotte Roval | Motorsports on NBC - YouTube (https://youtu.be/0eYtedPHlE4)

I had never heard of Bubba "Smollett" Wallace until this fake hate crime which was obviously a ploy designed to gain him national recognition. That he has worn a Burn Loot Murder T-shirt tells it all. His unsportsmanlike conduct says a lot, as well. He should be thrown out of NASCAR.

[ColdNoMore]

YouTube (https://youtu.be/lN0ad_nS2Hw)

See post #56

:1rotfl:

BUSTED.

One only has to get to the 2:31 & 2:37 mark, to see where KNOTS not a NOOSE...are used for the door pulls.

The prosecution rests. :wave:

[GoodLife]

:1rotfl:

BUSTED.

One only has to get to the 2:31 & 2:37 mark, to see where KNOTS not a NOOSE...are used for the door pulls.

The prosecution rests. :wave:

And one only has to get to 2:57 to start seeing lots of garages with loops at end of the ropes, including several nice closeups. :clap2:

In Bubba's own words:

“When I did find out, I was very adamant on searching all of the garages and making sure that this wasn’t a garage pull and it ended up being one,” Wallace told Today Show on Wednesday morning. “The photo evidence that I’ve seen that I have in my possession of what was in our garage is exactly a garage pull, it is, that is a noose.

“It was not a functioning noose, but it was a noose." Bubba Wallace describes the garage door pull rope found in his garage stall at Talladega Superspeedway.

:boom:

[GoodLife]

More things at Nascar Bubba might mistake for racist dog whistles

Burnt crosses

84781

KKK hoods

84782

[DeanFL]

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if things get dire in my life and I plan to take myself "out", remember to refer to this picture. Use one of THESE knots NOT a NOOSE KNOT for the rope.

When I'm found I would hate for others to think it was racist deed on my part and hit the News.

[Heyitsrick]

BUSTED.

One only has to get to the 2:31 & 2:37 mark, to see where KNOTS not a NOOSE...are used for the door pulls.

The prosecution rests.

Hmm...what would any competent lawyer see from 3:24 - 3:36 in this video? Oh yeah...it's just a "knot". Why, there's no loop to be seen at all!


https://i.imgur.com/oshsmsn.jpg

Let's take a closer look at that "knot" just to be sure...

https://i.imgur.com/bUwrBtE.jpg

Yep...another stellar example of prosecutorial misconduct.

[GoodLife]

Bubba Wallace

Best Race Card Driver Ever

[DeanFL]

Bubba Wallace

Best Race Card Driver Ever


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good one!

BTW has anyone tried to Google "Bubba Wallace noose" and search thru pictures? There seems to be only ONE - that is pictured a few times on this Thread. But LOTS of pics of him with the 'supporters' and other stuff - but SO VERY LITTLE of the ACTUAL """NOOSE""".

hmmm, makes one wonder - is there selective information on the internet search engine information? hmmm. Just sayin'.
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[GoodLife]

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good one!

BTW has anyone tried to Google "Bubba Wallace noose" and search thru pictures? There seems to be only ONE - that is pictured a few times on this Thread. But LOTS of pics of him with the 'supporters' and other stuff - but SO VERY LITTLE of the ACTUAL """NOOSE""".

hmmm, makes one wonder - is there selective information on the internet search engine information? hmmm. Just sayin'.
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Bubba has a photo of his "noose" but he's not sure if it will ever be released. It might be too triggering you know. Bubba confirms it was just like the other pulldown ropes with loops at the garages of Talladega. Numerous photos of these are available and you can see them in the video I posted on last page. They are tiny, might work if Bubba wanted to hang his barbie doll, but still wouldn't work because they are not functioning nooses. They are loop knots and do not tighten when pulled like a noose does.

“When I did find out, I was very adamant on searching all of the garages and making sure that this wasn’t a garage pull and it ended up being one,” Wallace told Today Show on Wednesday morning. “The photo evidence that I’ve seen that I have in my possession of what was in our garage is exactly a garage pull, it is, that is a noose.

“It was not a functioning noose, but it was a noose." Bubba Wallace describes the garage door pull rope found in his garage stall at Talladega Superspeedway.

[rmd2]

*Breaking News*

The FBI just released a statement, that in essence stated...Bubba was NOT the target of a hate crime.

Which, as I said above...is actually a relief. :thumbup:

And I will give it to Goodlife's reports, that it looks like it WAS a door pull rope (that was made to look like a noose sometime last fall and prior to Wallace being assigned the stall at this race)...that was just misconstrued by a crew member.

Good news...all the way around. :cool:

It was not "made to look like a noose". It was a rope with a loop to help pull down a garage door! NO NOOSE!

[The Mountaineer]

Noose has been there since 2009, long before Bubba Wallace moved into bay #4.

Another attempt for someone to make something out of nothing. Both sides are doing it. The curse of social media.

Check it out for yourself.


FBI: Noose found in Bubba Wallace'''s NASCAR garage was there since last year | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/fbi-noose-bubba-wallace-nascar-garage)

[Moderator]

Thread will be closed. Too many off topic posts.