Why are they protesting?

[Northwoods]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

[davem4616]

it stopped being about Mr. Floyd's death and BLM awhile ago...this is now about creating chaos and mindless destruction

but that's just my opinion...and we don't watch the news anymore

[mtdjed]

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals. Protesters are OK , but they must obey the law. Once they have crossed over that boundary, they have given up their right to be called a protester. The ones that choose to cross that line ruin any positive work a legitimate protester may have accomplished.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

[anothersteve]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Or visa versa

Steve

[anothersteve]

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals.

You left out thugs;

thug - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com (https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/thug)

Steve

[ColdNoMore]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

YEP. :ohdear:

[Northwoods]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

[Stu from NYC]

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?


The fact that the protesting is out of control and they destroy just to destroy means nothing to some people.

[GoodLife]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Please show proof that white nationalists are instigating violence in "peaceful BLM protests" Even the SPLC doesn't think that, and you can bet if they could they would.

Don't know what riots you have watched, some of the crowds are almost 100% black, and some of them are not peaceful. There are white Antifa crews working the riots, and many have been arrested. There are also lots of white kids rioting. They seem to specialize in bring down statues.

[Fredman]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.
You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

[mtdjed]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Pure garbage (Literally). Look at the so called protesters. They do the same thing every time. Cause riots. Don't try to blame it on others. Always giving these folks a pass when they do so much harm . How about the protesters in Seattle? Look at the mess they made. Are these good folks going in to clean up the vandalism they caused? Are they going to pay for the damage they did? They created an Autonomous zone to which they added nothing.

If the Seattle Chaz/Chop experienced started as a protest, it stopped being a protest on the first day. And that is what is happening with all these protests. May be started by some idealist weenie , that can't comprehend that they won't be able to control the agenda and it then leads to mayhem. Sooner or later you have to start blaming the weenies for being so stupid for starting a fire that they can't control.

Now you have innocent elderly women being sucker punched by hoods, homeless people being burned by fireworks, rapes in tents, everyone trying to tear down a statue no matter what all as a result of "protests". Perhaps it is time for those who promote these protests, to step back a say, We have a valid reason for protesting as we have expressed, but as patriotic citizens we are stepping back as we have seen how these protests have been abused. Please show us that our efforts are being recognized and how they will be addressed. We wish to work within the law to resolve these issues.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

[Bikeracer2009]

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

Training young people to advance your cause is important to transformational change. A company called Momentum can train your staff to increase it's collective power and shift the terrain under policymakers feet.

Momentum Community dot org is their website.

Escalation training to force the question which side are you on?

Active popular support. When people are activated, and refuse to cooperate with justice in massive numbers, they win.

Absorption. Scale up the movement.

Recent clients, BLM, Dream and Occupy Wall Street.

Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

Another video to watch if you're interested is from Joe Rogan. The video is Joe Rogan Experience #1494 Bret Weinstein.

I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Sunrise movement was created in response to the climate change issue. Has nothing to do with tearing down statues or rioting.

Momentum is an organization that helps other organizers - organize. They give them the tools to do what they already are planning to do, by teaching them effective strategies. It's like any other organizational or motivational or public relations company.

[wisbad1]

Only in America the victims have no rights, soon as some one does a crime they have more rights than the person they robbed or killed. Only ones who come out ahead or the lawyers. Win or lose they win.

[Northwoods]

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

I agree with you. I actually believe that there are many, many peaceful protesters who are protesting because they truly believe Black people are targeted by police and treated unfairly. They are not violent.
But I do think there are people who will show up to any "protest" (BLM, Chick Fil A should be open on Sunday, mom jeans should be outlawed) because they are opportunistic. They want to loot and steal merchandise. They want to throw objects at authority. They want to burn down buildings.
I don't believe the majority are part of any organized group (Nazi, KKK etc), I just think they are kids that want to stir the pot.
It's unfortunate they create all this chaos because it does detract from what BLM is trying to achieve.

[ColdNoMore]

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

Training young people to advance your cause is important to transformational change. A company called Momentum can train your staff to increase it's collective power and shift the terrain under policymakers feet.

Momentum Community dot org is their website.

Escalation training to force the question which side are you on?

Active popular support. When people are activated, and refuse to cooperate with justice in massive numbers, they win.

Absorption. Scale up the movement.

Recent clients, BLM, Dream and Occupy Wall Street.

Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

Another video to watch if you're interested is from Joe Rogan. The video is Joe Rogan Experience #1494 Bret Weinstein.

I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.

It sounds like you're interested in educating yourself.

If that means you're actually open to ALL forms of education, and hopefully not just that which satisfies confirmation bias, I strongly encourage you to watch this award winning documentary on NETFLIX called...

13TH (Click Here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film))

13th is a 2016 American documentary by director Ava DuVernay. The film explores the "intersection of race, justice, and mass incarceration in the United States;"[3] it is titled after the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted in 1865, which abolished slavery throughout the United States and ended involuntary servitude except as a punishment for conviction of a crime.

DuVernay contends that slavery has been perpetuated since the end of the American Civil War through criminalizing behavior and enabling police to arrest poor freedmen and force them to work for the state under convict leasing; suppression of African Americans by disenfranchisement, lynchings, and Jim Crow; politicians declaring a war on drugs that weighs more heavily on minority communities and, by the late 20th century, mass incarceration of people of color in the United States.

She examines the prison-industrial complex and the emerging detention-industrial complex, discussing how much money is being made by corporations from such incarcerations.

13th garnered acclaim from a number of film critics.

It was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 89th Academy Awards, and won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Documentary or Nonfiction Special at the 69th Primetime Emmy Awards.

Then I would respectfully ask that you come come back and try to say, that you didn't learn a whole lot from it...or even that some of your views haven't changed.

Thank you. :ho:

[mtdjed]

People promoting riots keep calling them protests. They are the ones who are the blame for this madness.

[TexaninVA]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

It's morphing into a Marxist slow-motion revolution. BLM is the thought leader in this effort whereas Antifa is the street muscle.

"At some point the conservative side is going to reach a boiling point and respond kinetically. Shaun King, BLM leader, said it's now time to remove statues of the "White Jesus and his European Mother" from American churches. That will be the spark where even the timid will consider their 2nd amendment options.

[coalminer]

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

[J1ceasar]

"Mob mentality" if others do it, I can to .

[Chatbrat]

These people go back to the"weather underground" of the 1960's, all they care about is the total destruction of the system, so in can be rebuilt in their Marxist utopia minds

They have the gaul to try and rip down the statue of Grant who besides defeating the confederacy, also used our military to destroy the KKK in Ga.

Its a shame most people of color don't know the true history of the democratic party--the KKK was founded to disenfranchise blacks from voting in the south--Woodrow Wilson--endorsed the KKK

The same goes for American Jews, who don't know the true history of the democratic party--Roosevelt was surrounded by anti-semites, denied admission of the St'Louis to the U.S. and the publisher of the NY Times-Sulzberger denied mentioning the holocaust, even tough he was given proof of its existence--

Useful idiots are the first people to visit re-education camps after a real revolution

[Neils]

I support honest hard working Americans that are generally law abiding, have Christian faith and values, striving to improve their lives and communities every day. Those who have charity in their hearts and care about others. Those who do not live their lives focused on color or finding differences and grievances based on color.

This is what America is built on, and why we live in the greatest country in the world.

My vote is to push back hard on the thugs and anyone that is trying to destroy America. That includes the Nazi, KKK, Antifa, Socialists, Communists, Panthers, Weather Underground, Russia, N Korea, China, Iran, and G Sorros.

[Micki]

This is about satan helping his children to run rampant and commit lawlessness. This is what Paul talks about in 2 Timothy 3. This is what it was like just before Noah entered into the safety of the ark. We are at the end of the age and things will get worse until Jesus comes.

For any who don’t have a relationship with Jesus, now is the time to ask Him to save you! You don’t want to be around for what’s next. If you want to know how much worse it gets, start reading at Revelation 6.

[Girlcopper]

it stopped being about Mr. Floyd's death and BLM awhile ago...this is now about creating chaos and mindless destruction

but that's just my opinion...and we don't watch the news anymore

Verytrue. These animals couldnt care less about BLM or anything else. They are thugs, thieves and most of them have always acted like this. This is nothing new for them, its just an excuse to rob and beat people.
Put simply. You and I are good law abiding citizens. We have jobs (or are retired) and made our own way in life. If you protested about some issue, would you ever break store windows, loot them, randomly pick people to beat, destroy national statues etc etc? NO. Because we are good people not savages. These people need to return to their caves or cages. Point made!

[timcarnicom]

The last statement from the original poster is "I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement".

All the discussion in this thread is what group is responsible, BLM, white nations or whoever, who cares what group it is. I'm trying to figure out why and how they are getting away with this no matter what group it is. This is destruction of state government property and nobody is trying to stop them. And that really shouldn't matter either, last I knew destruction of any property that doesn't belong to you is a crime, arson is a crime, vandalism is a crime, assault is a crime etc etc. The police and national guard need to be called up to stop this now before it gets even more out of control and is unstoppable and it blows my mind why that doesn't happen but I think we know why it isn't happening. I don't like to make this political but it is political. I don't think it matters who the president is or whatever party, the destruction will happen. The response to the destruction is what is political and it's all about the election, who can make who look bad is what it's all about.

[stadry]

i'm 78 &, if Jesus is returning, Ii'd like to be here to see Him before i have to leave. in the meantime, brother sig sauer & cousin ruger are my best friends - especially in our home.

any attempt to understand the current bru-ha-ha only legitimizes it as 'protest',,, while some may protest, i believe many are paid anarchists

follow the $ - donate to blm & see where the $ actually wind up

why don't looters ever steal work boots ?

[allsport]

You are so correct and the amount of so called violence(taking down racist statues), is run over and over on conservative stations and remains a very small portion of the protests and the riots are usually created by thug cops attacking the protestors. I was asked about how safe my son was in Seattle and I said what are you talking about? My son said the area made police free is a big love fest with people partying all day long. Yes, there was a shooting in the middle of the night when people were drunk and the EMS inside the zone had already taken the victims to the hospital before the police got there. He said it was a shooting that normally would never make the national news until fear mongers got a hold of it.

[kimgarwel12@gmail.com]

We moved here from Madison a month ago and I'm absolutely sick over the vandalism and destruction that's occured in my beautiful city. That the governor and mayor have done nothing to stem any of it is even worse, yet not surprising. I recently watched a video by a young black man who was one of the original founders of BLM, who has left the organization because in his words, "the movement has been compromised" by terrorists and is no longer what BLM started out or was intended to be. He cautioned that they're agenda is to "cause civil war." With the state of Wisconsin still quite shut down with the virus, the university is mostly empty and many of these "protesters" are brought in to wreak their havoc. A peaceful protest happened weeks ago at the Capitol when the Wisconsinites Against Quarantine staged a protest in response to the governor's Badger Bounce-Back Plan to reopen the state after shut down with the virus. Thousands of protesters were there, on foot and in cars surrounding the Capitol and roads leading up to it, many armed in open carry. There was NO violence, NO assaults, No vandalism or destruction. So to say protesters per se are the problem isn't necessarily true. Those perpetuating the destruction recently are there for that reason alone, of all colors and races. And yes, this stopped being about George Floyd long ago. I was in a bit of an argument yesterday with someone who insists it's everyone's first amendment right to freedom of speech (protest), but there is NO right to destroy, vandalize, assault people, etc. That's simply criminal and deserves the stiffest punishment of the law, providing the law is enforced. It may very well come to armed militia taking care of business if our elected leaders won't act to protect our homes and lives.

[ColdNoMore]

These people go back to the"weather underground" of the 1960's, all they care about is the total destruction of the system, so in can be rebuilt in their Marxist utopia minds

They have the gaul to try and rip down the statue of Grant who besides defeating the confederacy, also used our military to destroy the KKK in Ga.

Its a shame most people of color don't know the true history of the democratic party--the KKK was founded to disenfranchise blacks from voting in the south--Woodrow Wilson--endorsed the KKK

The same goes for American Jews, who don't know the true history of the democratic party--Roosevelt was surrounded by anti-semites, denied admission of the St'Louis to the U.S. and the publisher of the NY Times-Sulzberger denied mentioning the holocaust, even tough he was given proof of its existence--

Useful idiots are the first people to visit re-education camps after a real revolution

:oops:

REAL history includes the "Southern Strategy" and the mass migration of racists and bigots...who switched parties. :ohdear:

For those interested in the truth, folks can educate themselves...by watching this award-winning documentary on NETFLIX.

13TH (educate yourself here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film))


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[Bay Kid]

Still protesting/destroying in Richmond, VA. Everyday.

[mamamia54]

It's morphing into a Marxist slow-motion revolution. BLM is the thought leader in this effort whereas Antifa is the street muscle.

"At some point the conservative side is going to reach a boiling point and respond kinetically. Shaun King, BLM leader, said it's now time to remove statues of the "White Jesus and his European Mother" from American churches. That will be the spark where even the timid will consider their 2nd amendment options.

This has started already. A friend of mine told me in NY where she is there is a beautiful grotto. That’s a place with statues and usually beautiful surroundings. Some have small waterfalls and very serene place. People usually go there to pray and some even say be healed. Well, last week “animals” (I call them animals because these people aren’t even human, savages more like it) went and bashed and smashed all the statues there. They also left a big note which stated “God never
did anything for black people” I don’t know about you, nor do I push religion on anyone, but this is over the top. I hate hearing any place of worship whether it be my religion or not is being targeted and desecrated. It’s very sad because instead of making people sympathetic to their cause, it’s starting to have the opposite effect. What’s going on has nothing to do with BLM. I am white but I can’t imagine any intelligent black person agreeing with what he is seeing right now. This is not the way to have change in our country. This can only make more divide and take away any real progress. I, for one, feel it’s time to step up and stop this nonsense once and for all.

[Luvs21putt]

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

Thank you because my eyes hurt from rolling them at the white nationalist theory. Major denial. This is all a result of coddling these adult children when they threw a temper tantrum. No one did anything so they just kept going further with it.

[jbrown132]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.
This is what happens when you allow the inmates to run the asylum.

[jbrown132]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.
Then BLM peaceful protesters should do someone about it if they don’t want their cause hijacked.

[GOLFER54]

I couldn’t agree more with you. All these criminal acts have absolutely nothing to do with GEORGE FLOYD or bringing about changes towards black people. Explain to me how arson, looting, chaos, violence and murder has anything to do with improving our nation. In my opinion, as soon as these rioting scumbags burnt down the police station, the military should have been called in immediately to quell this destruction.

[GoodLife]

Violent protesters burn, loot, destroy

Peaceful protesters causing a huge spike in covid 19 cases

It's a win/win situation for the rest of us

Look at several thousand protesters on a Portland bridge, lying inches from each other

Doesn't matter if they have cloth masks or not, infected individuals spread tiny virus particles just by breathing. These particles are not stopped by cloth masks.

Twitter (https://twitter.com/i/status/1268004907119816704)

[riley2011]

So why aren’t they being stopped?

[Cadybell]

Please show proof that white nationalists are instigating violence in "peaceful BLM protests" Even the SPLC doesn't think that, and you can bet if they could they would.

Don't know what riots you have watched, some of the crowds are almost 100% black, and some of them are not peaceful. There are white Antifa crews working the riots, and many have been arrested. There are also lots of white kids rioting. They seem to specialize in bring down statues.
It is a known fact that BLM and Antifa are Marxist organizations. The founder of BLM said that their goal is to remove Trump (capitalism) and Transform US into a Marxist country (sound familiar?). She also said on one of the major networks that they are Marxists. The universities have been indoctrinating our youth with this nonsense for decades. Trump’s policies work to improve economic conditions for all Americans. That is a threat to their revolution so it must be destroyed. The virus shutdowns and the upcoming election were/are the perfect storm for their attempts to remove our history and remake America. Wake up everyone! The mainstream media is complicit in all this because they despise our President so much. Over half of the country is being duped by their fake and incomplete reporting. This is only going to get worse. And if Democrats manage to win in November they will be beholden to these radicals and the country as we know it is lost.

[ColdNoMore]

LOL :1rotfl:

The hateful white conspiracy theorists, have brought out an old playbook...of trying to blame Soros for everything. :oops:

Right-Wing Conspiracists Pull From Old Playbook: Blame George Soros For Riots (https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/right-wing-conspiracists-pull-from-old-playbook-blame-george-soros-for-riots/#2b74043c4100)


It does make it easier, if white supremacists can put a face on an "enemy."

Never mind if its false or there's absolutely no proof, as that takes a back seat...to having a target of the rage & hate toward minorities. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

LOL :1rotfl:

The hateful white conspiracy theorists, have brought out an old playbook...of trying to blame Soros for everything. :oops:

Right-Wing Conspiracists Pull From Old Playbook: Blame George Soros For Riots (https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/right-wing-conspiracists-pull-from-old-playbook-blame-george-soros-for-riots/#2b74043c4100)


It does make it easier, if white supremacists can put a face on an "enemy."

Never mind if its false or there's absolutely no proof, as that takes a back seat...to having a target of the rage & hate toward minorities. :ohdear:

And on the other hand, we have people trying to blame the riots and destruction on white supremacists when there is no evidence for it.

“I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” Howard Graves, a research analyst at the SPLC

[ColdNoMore]

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards blacks & other minorities, then the decades long effort by the work of the billionaire Koch Brothers...will just fuel your confirmation bias. :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards blacks & other minorities, then the decades long effort by the work of the billionaire Koch Brothers...will just fuel your confirmation bias. :ohdear:

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards whites, then the decades long effort by the work of billionaire Soros....will just fuel your confirmation bias. :wave:

[Heyitsrick]

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

As a resident of "the real world", here's my takeaways:

Some people would write an entire post essentially saying that it's really outside agitators (white nationalists) who are to blame. Never mind that there's no evidence of such activity in this case that I've seen as of this writing.

Some people would make statements that it's not BLM protesters at all. It's those outside instigators. Really? Wow. Who knew that no one in the BLM movement could ever resort to property destruction or violence?

Some people would suggest that the real well-intentioned protesters just aren't smart enough to realize they are being manipulated by these outside extremists. Of course, some people who suggest this think that they, themselves, are smart enough to see it from afar. It's just those intellectually-limited protesters who can't see what's going on around them.

Some people find that after posting something so off-base, they have to come back and repeatedly explain their points. You see, those people think that everyone else online is intellectually challenged and incapable of understanding the truth of what's going on. Oh, lest I forget, the intellectually challenged people online are also uncivilized - or close to it.

We should all be thankful for some people like this. Where would we be without the omniscience topped with gratuitous sarcasm?

Just so it's clear, here's my thoughts on anyone involved in violence and/or property destruction: find them, root them out and prosecute them. It makes no difference whatsoever if they are white nationalists or any part of those engaged in supporting BLM. Those people are criminals. They need to be brought to justice.

But for some people to suggest or imply that no one involved in the BLM movement could possibly be involved in property destruction and/or violence without being manipulated is just naive at best.

[ColdNoMore]

And on the other hand, we have people trying to blame the riots and destruction on white supremacists when there is no evidence for it.

“I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” Howard Graves, a research analyst at the SPLC

Think BIG picture. ;)

Richard Spencer. (poke here) (http://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-bertrand-spencer-0)

“A race is genetically coherent, a race is something you can study, a race is about genes and DNA, but it’s not just about genes and DNA. The most important thing about it is the people and the spirit. That’s what a race is about.”



I DARE you to watch... :ho:

13TH (click here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film))


And of course, there will be a small faction of any large group...that leans toward violence.

MLKJR. had to fight against the same thing.

What's sad, is when those who prefer to hate, try to use the small %...to paint a whole group. :ohdear:


:wave:

[Mardarlowe]

Just thugs being thugs

[tenorgirl]

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin KaepernickColin was berated because he chose to protest the symbol under which we ALL live instead of taking his concern to those who could do something. Do you think he honestly took his concern to his local politicians? Nope, he thought the best way was to dishonor ALL Americans and then MSM helped him along. Which IMHO was just as disrespectful as the raised clenched fists on the Olympic podium.

[ColdNoMore]

If you already have a certain viewpoint/anger/hatred/bias/prejudice towards whites, then the decades long effort by the work of billionaire Soros....will just fuel your confirmation bias.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :thumbup:

:wave:

[tenorgirl]

Your last sentence describes MSM perfectly

[davem4616]

So why aren’t they being stopped?

You just asked the $50K dollar question

What happened that leaders all over the country seem to be just standing on the side lines watching this and are not taking any nonviolent steps to stop this?

There isn't anyone to negotiate with, or learn exactly what these 'protesters' (very loose use of that term) actually want...what's that tell us (they don't want to negotiate?...it's a mob and they really don't know specifically what they want??...it's not just a 'mob' and they have no intention of negotiating??...that this is about creating chaos in the US??)

It's occurring all over our country....this is no longer a spontaneous protest to right a wrong...those don't last this long, those protesters can articulate what they want changed and will come to the table to talk

something very nefarious is at work here, something that wants to stay in the shadows

This is no longer about race, the underdog, slavery, etc...this has been planned and is now being executed

[MandoMan]

Madison is not only the capital of Wisconsin but the home of the main campus of the University of Wisconsin, one of the best public universities in the country. It is also the home of thousands of generally pretty cool graduates who love the city and school and decided to stay on. Most of them are very liberal. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, mind. Many are minimally employed but just love the city. However, there are quite a few teachers and teaching assistants who are radicals dedicated to spreading an agenda of what they call “Social Justice” but which really means “take the money of those who have it and give it to those who don’t.” (That “those who have it” group includes, in their minds, most people able to own homes in The Villages.) These radical teachers (a small minority of the teachers there, actually) are popular and develop coteries of student followers and train them by assigning reading material and research assignments and developing classes that teach how to effectively combat what they call “white privilege”—which is also a code word for overthrowing the established order (though I think most African-American young people don’t realize that). A lot of their graduates hang on in Madison.

There is no need to have an “organization” to which these people answer. They can learn what they need to learn online from many sites and from their teachers. Don’t imagine that labeling some organization as terrorist is going to stop anything. It won’t. It’s what they WANT! If they are persecuted, they will gain more sympathizers and followers. That’s how they win! It’s not “Antifa”! It’s people who agree, have learned what to do to sow discord, and are willing to do it. There was an attempt to do this in the late sixties and early seventies, but it wasn’t big enough and it frittered out, though a couple million Americans still believe in the goals and may even run for office.

For decades, scholars have written books explaining that the purpose of terrorism is to get the normal, average, law-abiding people of a country (most of us) so upset at these acts that we decide we are willing to take strong actions to stop the anarchy: willing to crack down. So we crack down hard, and as a result millions are so appalled by the new laws that they sympathize with the protestors and join the attempts to overthrow the government. Most of these people are good, decent people, but the government reaction to violent protests and terrorism lead them to seek peace by overthrowing the government and democracy and the rule of law. That is usually the goal. That is how it is playing out now. Naturally, countries that believe in communism and would like to see us overthrown are providing propaganda to inflame both sides—all sides. Fighting and disagreement and separation of friends from friends is how they hope to decrease American power and influence. (I have friends at The Villages who frequently repost disgusting and untrue memes on Facebook that they think are witty barbs against liberals, but were designed and originally posted by Russian trolls.)

Two of my children have marched in BLM rallies because they believe in fairness and equality. They are as far from radicals as can be. Whatever the skin color, I think that describes the majority of protestors. But there are definitely anarchists trying to sow anarchy in hope that it will lead to a violent overthrow of our country or at least change millions of minds. That is their agenda. Some of the arson and violence comes from these anarchists. Most of the looting and a lot of the arson and violence is done by criminals and thugs and people who just want free stuff. Meanwhile, the anarchists win whether or not they are in charge. Every time police fire tear gas canisters or rubber bullets or use their shields and clubs, the anarchists win. Again they aren’t organized. They are amorphous. But they still win, a bit at a time, as they politicize both left and right and those in-between.

[I was a state university professor for 34 years and before that a state university graduate student. I’ve watched this happen. When I arrived At my school in 1986, we taught mostly literature classes about various periods of English and American literature. It was a sacred calling to us. Today most of those classes are seldom taught. We used to think English majors should get out of college knowing a little about ever period and every major writer. No more! The department has been taken over by people who openly talk with scorn in department meetings against teaching the work of “dead white men.” They now teach more classes about Activist Writing and how to do it and publish it than they do about the great works of the past. In response to the current situation, the director of freshman writing is developing a new composition class syllabus she hopes most teachers will use called something like “Anti-Racist Activist Writing”. That will sound good to a LOT of students at my school, but it’s a great chance to indoctrinate hundreds of students every semester with communist and anarchist ideas and give them the tools to join the “struggle.” I’m so glad I’ve retired. I couldn’t take it anymore.]

[Andyb]

Read the article in the liberal Baltimore paper about racism, it will answer a lot of questions.

[ldj1938]

This has nothing to do with protests. WHY aren't these people going to jail?

[Lil GTO]

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals. Protesters are OK , but they must obey the law. Once they have crossed over that boundary, they have given up their right to be called a protester. The ones that choose to cross that line ruin any positive work a legitimate protester may have accomplished.

In my opinion protesters have never accomplished anything just disturbing the peace.

[Bikeracer2009]

I did watch that documentary. Which views of mine are you interested in exploring?

Pick one of my views from this and previouscomments.

I support BLM.

I feel this is the most racist community I've ever lived in and have personally heard the N word freely spoken to me on several occasions.

I pointed out a person's post as having a racist remark because they believed the color of person at their door was proof enough that the person was a scammer.

I'm not going to review all of my comments but feel free to do so and I'll defend them. As far as this latest comment, what in particular prompted your assessment that I needed educational assistance?

[Bob3302]

Well said Choro

[aallbrand]

I have to laugh at all the people who post about protesters. Unless your of color you have no idea what its like . Imagine every time your children and loved ones leave the house and not knowing if they will be stopped by law enforcement, and harmed or killed. Change is needed and our great country is what it is because of protesting. Its almost laughable when I hear people concerned about a Wendys or a statue getting damaged but cant name 3 innocent lives taken by Law enforcement just in the last year .

[pineweasel]

Thank you so much for input and perspective. Much appreciated.

[phylt]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.
These protestors, obviously ignorant of history, are really children needing discipline. And in cases of assault, jail time. Their cause has lost its meaning and become one only of destruction.

[ColdNoMore]

I did watch that documentary. Which views of mine are you interested in exploring?

Pick one of my views from this and previouscomments.

I support BLM.

I feel this is the most racist community I've ever lived in and have personally heard the N word freely spoken to me on several occasions.

I pointed out a person's post as having a racist remark because they believed the color of person at their door was proof enough that the person was a scammer.

I'm not going to review all of my comments but feel free to do so and I'll defend them. As far as this latest comment, what in particular prompted your assessment that I needed educational assistance?

Which is why I was respectful when I asked you...to watch the documentary.

I'm impressed that you, contrary to so many others around here...took the time to watch it. :thumbup:

What threw me though, after you admirably pointed out racism in a couple of instances...was this. :confused:

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm ...but some people say they are.

I am not a fan of those (particularly at the national level) who often say "people are saying," or "some people say," or "people have told me"...Etc., Etc.

If I misconstrued your intent, then I am not averse (like some of those same folks at the national level) of admitting I was wrong...and proffering my apologies. :ho:

[sloanst]

BLM isn't about Black Lives. Perhaps this will help.
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhy4IvkENg)

[ALadysMom]

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

It’s not that simple. Each of these mobs contain a variety of people with different reasons for being there. Some actually believe BLM and are there to give voice to hat they believe is tyranny. Others are tyrannical activists who very opportunistically use BLM protests to do their dirty deeds. The BLM protesters are put in harms way by these thugs. The thugs count on the police’s reluctance to harm the BLM protesters. The BLM protesters are serving as “cover” for the thugs.

Any group affiliation or ideology any thug claims is bad and anti-American.

The goal is to dismantle American culture, history and government.

They want socialism and they are willing to force it on us by any means possible.

[sloanst]

Black Lives Matter is a trained Marxist organization. YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhy4IvkENg)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As an alternative to the Netflix, production of "The 13th", remember the Obama's and Susan Rice are on the BOD of Netflix. look @ Dinesh D'Souza's movie--Hillary Clinton, The Secret History of the Democratic Party

Too bad this movie is available, without having to pay for it

The Obamas are not on the board of directors, and never were. They were courted by Netflix with the opportunity and turned it down. They did, however, sign a production rights deal, after Obama's final term in office. In other words - as a civilian and not as a member of government. Susan Rice was added to the list of the board of directors in 2018 though - after she was removed from government by trump. Again, as a civilian.

If you have a problem with that, create your own streaming network and don't invite either of them to help you generate your profits.

[ALadysMom]

Which is why I was respectful when I asked you...to watch the documentary.

I'm impressed that you, contrary to so many others around here...took the time to watch it. :thumbup:

What threw me though, after you admirably pointed out racism in a couple of instances...was this. :confused:



I am not a fan of those (particularly at the national level) who often say "people are saying," or "some people say," or "people have told me"...Etc., Etc.

If I misconstrued your intent, then I am not averse (like some of those same folks at the national level) of admitting I was wrong...and proffering my apologies. :ho:

If you won’t listen to regular folks, then maybe you will listen to FBI Director Wray:

FBI Director Christopher Wray’s Remarks at Press Conference Regarding Civil Unrest in Wake of George Floyd’s Death — FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-director-christopher-wrays-remarks-at-press-conference-regarding-civil-unrest-in-wake-of-george-floyds-death)

[fdpaq0580]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :thumbup:

:wave:

Sometimes, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Sometimes, it is intended as a mirror in hopes one may recognize one's self.
Sometimes, it is used as justification for thoughts or deeds, good or bad. Sometimes.

To all: keep up the good fight (discussions), but fight fair.
There is no one so wise that they can not learn.

[ALadysMom]

The Obamas are not on the board of directors, and never were. They were courted by Netflix with the opportunity and turned it down. They did, however, sign a production rights deal, after Obama's final term in office. In other words - as a civilian and not as a member of government. Susan Rice was added to the list of the board of directors in 2018 though - after she was removed from government by trump. Again, as a civilian.

If you have a problem with that, create your own streaming network and don't invite either of them to help you generate your profits.

Why do we continue to play right into the thugs’ hands?

They want to DIVIDE & CONQUER.

If you don’t want socialism, then we had all better keep our eyes on the prize.

[ColdNoMore]

If you won’t listen to regular folks, then maybe you will listen to FBI Director Wray:

FBI Director Christopher Wray’s Remarks at Press Conference Regarding Civil Unrest in Wake of George Floyd’s Death — FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-director-christopher-wrays-remarks-at-press-conference-regarding-civil-unrest-in-wake-of-george-floyds-death)



Per the link...

Like most of you, I was appalled and profoundly troubled by the video images of the incident that ended with Mr. Floyd’s tragic death.

To be clear, we’re not in any way trying to discourage peaceful protestors. And to those citizens who are out there, making your voices heard through peaceful, lawful protests, let me say this—we in law enforcement hear you.

We have to make sure that our policing and our investigations are conducted with the professionalism and commitment to equal justice that you all deserve.

But we are also committed to identifying, investigating, and stopping individuals who are inciting violence and engaging in criminal activity.

Of which I TOTALLY agree with.

Next? :ho:

[ribil]

If any of what you said is true, then why hasn’t the BLM separated themselves from these terrorist infiltrators? Or at a minimum, denounced their participation? Why do they allow themselves to be categorized with the organized anti-American enemies of our country??

[ColdNoMore]

In answer to the OP's question.

THIS is why they're protesting. :ohdear:


Three Cops Fired (http://thebaltimorepost.com/we-are-just-gonna-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-three-cops-fired-after-racist-talk-of-killing-black-residents/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=we-are-just-gonna-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-three-cops-fired-after-racist-talk-of-killing-black-residents)

‘We are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them’: Three cops fired after racist talk of killing black residents

“Wipe ‘em off the f—— map,” Officer Michael “Kevin” Piner said of African Americans. “That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.”

[ALadysMom]

The Obamas are not on the board of directors, and never were. They were courted by Netflix with the opportunity and turned it down. They did, however, sign a production rights deal, after Obama's final term in office. In other words - as a civilian and not as a member of government. Susan Rice was added to the list of the board of directors in 2018 though - after she was removed from government by trump. Again, as a civilian.

If you have a problem with that, create your own streaming network and don't invite either of them to help you generate your profits.

Why hasn’t EVERY American leader used their voice and power to speak and act against the destructive riots? Why haven’t ALL of them warned the citizens about the real and present danger being posed to our country? Are they in denial or do they hope to benefit, after the dust settles?

The answers are not hidden. They are widely available if you care to understand.

If you don’t believe me, do some research. Listen to the voices of many black leaders who are now bravely warning that BLM and the rioters are extremely dangerous to everyone.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why do we continue to play right into the thugs’ hands?

They want to DIVIDE & CONQUER.

If you don’t want socialism, then we had all better keep our eyes on the prize.

I was responding to Chatbrat's claim and opinion based on that claim. I don't think Chatbrat is a thug. I also don't think Netflix is a thug. I also don't feel that the Obamas or Susan Rice are thugs. I also don't think any of these people/entities are trying to promote socialism.

So I'm confused as to why you are responding to my post with your comment. It doesn't really seem to pertain to anything I said.

Also, I'm a little concerned as to your use of the term "socialism." I'm thinking you might be confusing it with something else. Socialism is a catch-phrase that encompasses several different systems under one umbrella term.

Our medicaid and medicare and social security system and welfare and assistance to the poor are all based on concepts of socialism. They are not "socialist" implementations per se, but that is the system the government used in order to create these programs in the first place. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Conversely, China's methodology of "all business owned by the government" and a singular dictator in charge of deciding who gets to benefit from it, is also borrowed from the socialism system - and we see how much fun THAT is.

The word "socialism," in other words, does not inherently mean something negative nor positive. It is a system that, if it worked and was implemented all at once, would benefit pretty much everyone. Unfortunately it is never implemented all at once, and pieces of it are typically implemented by dictators who have no interest in benefiting everyone. And so socialism, as a whole, is not 100% successful anywhere in the world.

But as concepts go, it's really not a bad one, not something to fear. Dictatorship, fascism, that's something to fear. When you combine fascism with socialism you get China, Laos, and Cuba.

[ALadysMom]

If any of what you said is true, then why hasn’t the BLM separated themselves from these terrorist infiltrators? Or at a minimum, denounced their participation? Why do they allow themselves to be categorized with the organized anti-American enemies of our country??

Good question. Some posts with links earlier in this thread shed light on the truth behind the BLM group. What people think they are, is not what they really are.

Keep asking questions. That’s a very good thing.

We need to pull together & stop bickering with each other. D vs. R won’t matter if we all forced to become socialists. We need to keep our beliefs that can improve our democracy In the future but Immediately stop pandering to BLM because we are playing right into the goals of the thugs.

[ALadysMom]

I was responding to Chatbrat's claim and opinion based on that claim. I don't think Chatbrat is a thug. I also don't think Netflix is a thug. I also don't feel that the Obamas or Susan Rice are thugs. I also don't think any of these people/entities are trying to promote socialism.

So I'm confused as to why you are responding to my post with your comment. It doesn't really seem to pertain to anything I said.

Also, I'm a little concerned as to your use of the term "socialism." I'm thinking you might be confusing it with something else. Socialism is a catch-phrase that encompasses several different systems under one umbrella term.

Our medicaid and medicare and social security system and welfare and assistance to the poor are all based on concepts of socialism. They are not "socialist" implementations per se, but that is the system the government used in order to create these programs in the first place. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Conversely, China's methodology of "all business owned by the government" and a singular dictator in charge of deciding who gets to benefit from it, is also borrowed from the socialism system - and we see how much fun THAT is.

The word "socialism," in other words, does not inherently mean something negative nor positive. It is a system that, if it worked and was implemented all at once, would benefit pretty much everyone. Unfortunately it is never implemented all at once, and pieces of it are typically implemented by dictators who have no interest in benefiting everyone. And so socialism, as a whole, is not 100% successful anywhere in the world.

But as concepts go, it's really not a bad one, not something to fear. Dictatorship, fascism, that's something to fear. When you combine fascism with socialism you get China, Laos, and Cuba.

Please do some research

[rmd2]

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

SOME people did SOME things.

[Stu from NYC]

Please do some research

Socialism is government ownership of means of production. When there is no incentive to earn a profit no incentive to be efficient or improve what you make or do you do not have an efficiently functioning economy.

As a wise man once said Capitalism is a terrible system but better than every other system ever created.

Nothing wrong with govt preventing capitalism to run uncontrolled but nothing better than capitalism.

We became the #1 economy thru capitalism.

[ALadysMom]

FBI Director Christopher Wray’s Remarks at Press Conference Regarding Civil Unrest in Wake of George Floyd’s Death

June 4, 2020

“In recent days, the violence, threat to life, and destruction of property that we’ve seen in some parts of the country jeopardizes the rights and safety of all citizens, including peaceful demonstrators. It has to stop. We’re seeing people who are exploiting this situation to pursue violent, extremist agendas—anarchists like Antifa and other agitators. These individuals have set out to sow discord and upheaval, rather than join in the righteous pursuit of equality and justice. And by driving us apart, they are.”

~source: fbi.gov

[Bikeracer2009]

"Momentum is an organization that helps other organizers - organize. They give them the tools to do what they already are planning to do, by teaching them effective strategies. It's like any other organizational or motivational or public relations company."

It says right there on their own website that BLM is one of the organizations they have worked with.

[ALadysMom]

In answer to the OP's question.

THIS is why they're protesting. :ohdear:


Three Cops Fired (http://thebaltimorepost.com/we-are-just-gonna-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-three-cops-fired-after-racist-talk-of-killing-black-residents/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=we-are-just-gonna-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-three-cops-fired-after-racist-talk-of-killing-black-residents)

What they say is not the whole truth & nothing but the truth.

If the thugs can USE racism to get rid of the cops, then it would be whole lot easier for them to do what they really want.

[ALadysMom]

"Momentum is an organization that helps other organizers - organize. They give them the tools to do what they already are planning to do, by teaching them effective strategies. It's like any other organizational or motivational or public relations company."

It says right there on their own website that BLM is one of the organizations they have worked with.

BLM has been funded and enabled by big-money so they are able to get a lot of training to facilitate their goals which are oddly alignEd very well with the thugs’ goals.

[turk3531]

Where are the police, or, as is the case in Seattle, the liberal leadership has told law enforcement to stand down and not to hurt the snowflakes?

[Scorpyo]

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.
I personally take offense to your post! No not the part where you responded to the other post. I take offense to “Go Steelers”. Just because they’re better than the Jets you don’t have to constantly remind me. That’s just cruel.

[ColdNoMore]

What they say is not the whole truth & nothing but the truth.

If the thugs can USE racism to get rid of the cops, then it would be whole lot easier for them to do what they really want.

I'm confused.

Who is it that made these 3 "thug" cops... racist? :oops:

[ALadysMom]

Where are the police, or, as is the case in Seattle, the liberal leadership has told law enforcement to stand down and not to hurt the snowflakes?
Many conservative-dominated communities have also allowed the riots, looting and destruction. Why that is being allowed is unclear. Certainly the leaders don’t want to hurt peaceful protesters. They must also fear of the media’s inevitable use of imagery to further harm the community. Many are sympathetic (as most Americans are) with the need to promote equal justice. In short, they fear perception more than they fear an existential threat. They are wrong. This would become clear if they tell everyone the truth...all of it.

The media is also completely failing the American people by not producIng independent content. The mainstream news producers have been spoon-fed content for so long they are completely dysfunctional. The media—or even the old town crier— played an essential role by asking tough questions and by using their access and platform to hold leaders to account. I think of a well-functioning news media like the ferets of society (if you know anything about those curiosity-driven critters) They should be reporting ALL aspects of this and turning over the rocks to show us what is really going on. We should ALL be angry at their failure.

[kathy1516]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.
These are uneducated bums with no goals or any desire for a better future for themselves. They are spoiled, have no responsibility, no accountability for their actions and most of all NO RESPECT for authority. I saw the president of BLM on TV in an interview yesterday. He spoke like a street thug, looked like a street thug, is a street thug. He unequivocally stated that if they didn’t get what they want, they would burn society down. They demean the blacks that are honest and truly are trying to make a difference. The only hope for these thugs is bringing back the draft. For both make and female. They need to learn respect for authority, they need discipline, and learn how to function as a team.
God help us. This anarchy needs to stop!

[ALadysMom]

Have you seen ANY lengthy feature field reports showing all of the destruction, interviewing those who have been hurt, interviewing city leaders who apparently ordered the police to stand-down, reporting the actual costs, and reporting the backgrounds, identities and goal-statements of the thugs? Why not?

The media invested a lot of time and money to reporting on wars overseas. This one is right here.

[GoodLife]

Have you seen ANY lengthy feature field reports showing all of the destruction, interviewing those who have been hurt, interviewing city leaders who apparently ordered the police to stand-down, reporting the actual costs, and reporting the backgrounds, identities and goal-statements of the thugs? Why not?

The media invested a lot of time and money to reporting on wars overseas. This one is right here.

Yep, the media tries hard not to show the damage riots have caused which then allows them to say the rioters are only a miniscule percentage of "peaceful protesters" They sure have caused a lot of damage for a miniscule group.

[ALadysMom]

I'm confused.

Who is it that made these 3 "thug" cops... racist? :oops:

thinking beyond the statements is needed.

Being sucked in to defending their side because of the awful imagery was only Step One in their goal of divide & conquer.

[ColdNoMore]

These are uneducated bums with no goals or any desire for a better future for themselves. They are spoiled, have no responsibility, no accountability for their actions and most of all NO RESPECT for authority.

I saw the president of BLM on TV in an interview yesterday. He spoke like a street thug, looked like a street thug, is a street thug. He unequivocally stated that if they didn’t get what they want, they would burn society down. They demean the blacks that are honest and truly are trying to make a difference. The only hope for these thugs is bringing back the draft. For both make and female.

They need to learn respect for authority, they need discipline, and learn how to function as a team.

God help us. This anarchy needs to stop!

Gee, it's interesting that those are the exact same things that were said about the protests against the Vietnam War and...for Civil Rights and Women's Suffrage. :oops:

I guess it's true that; "The more things change...the more they stay the same." :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

thinking beyond the statements is needed.

Being sucked in to defending their side because of the awful imagery was only Step One in their goal of divide & conquer.

Sorry, but I'm still confused.

Are you saying that they didn't say it...and shouldn't have been terminated?

Or that even if they did say it...they shouldn't have been terminated?

Just so much to keep track of. :ohdear:

[Bucco]

These are uneducated bums with no goals or any desire for a better future for themselves. They are spoiled, have no responsibility, no accountability for their actions and most of all NO RESPECT for authority. I saw the president of BLM on TV in an interview yesterday. He spoke like a street thug, looked like a street thug, is a street thug. He unequivocally stated that if they didn’t get what they want, they would burn society down. They demean the blacks that are honest and truly are trying to make a difference. The only hope for these thugs is bringing back the draft. For both make and female. They need to learn respect for authority, they need discipline, and learn how to function as a team.
God help us. This anarchy needs to stop!

The wish to "burn society down" goes way beyond BLM.

This and other threads are a testimony to the success of the efforts by many to divide, start cultural wars, and weaken our once great country. BLM is a minor player actually.

[ALadysMom]

Socialism is government ownership of means of production. When there is no incentive to earn a profit no incentive to be efficient or improve what you make or do you do not have an efficiently functioning economy.

As a wise man once said Capitalism is a terrible system but better than every other system ever created.

Nothing wrong with govt preventing capitalism to run uncontrolled but nothing better than capitalism.

We became the #1 economy thru capitalism.

The imperfections cause our guilt, or even envy for some, about the inequities. We can certainly improve democracy and capitalism. To borrow a phrase, “to form a more perfect union.”

HOWEVER, that is not a goal the thugs share with us. Many folks are being manipulated. If they believe they are helping the oppressed or less fortunate, they are in fact (sadly) supporting the thugs as they actively destroy our shared culture, history, liberties and ultimately our government.

[askcarl]

What does this thread have to do about The Villages?

[ALadysMom]

The wish to "burn society down" goes way beyond BLM.

This and other threads are a testimony to the success of the efforts by many to divide, start cultural wars, and weaken our once great country. BLM is a minor player actually.

How would socialism actually HELP poor or oppressed blacks? the thugs don’t care about racial justice.

Many learned blacks realize that they (along with many well-intentioned whites) are being manipulated. They are often more adept at discerning lies & manipulations because they have been targeted with them so often in the past. They are actually calling for us to STOP TRYING TO HELP THEM!

[ALadysMom]

What does this thread have to do about The Villages?

The Bubble is still an important part of America, Carl.

[Chatbrat]

The French were shocked into reality when Hitler marched down the Champs Eylesee, it can happen here when all of a sudden, people of privilege here are subject to the malcontents that surround us--the bubble, is just that its a bubble not a fortress

Reality and aware people can make the bubble of a fortress

[Bucco]

How would socialism actually HELP poor or oppressed blacks? the thugs don’t care about racial justice.

Many learned blacks realize that they (along with many well-intentioned whites) are being manipulated. They are often more adept at discerning lies & manipulations because they have been targeted with them so often in the past. They are actually calling for us to STOP TRYING TO HELP THEM!

My post (the one to which you respond) is not even close to an endorsement of any system. It is simply a stated wish we ignore and should pay close attention to.

The fact that you have bought this narrative simply tells me you need to read a bit more and open your mind

Not a criticism of you in any way., but simply a statement that you should look into. BLM and the others are "bit" players

[ColdNoMore]

What does this thread have to do about The Villages?

This thread is actually in the..."Non Villages Discussion" forum.


:ho:

[ALadysMom]

Gee, it's interesting that those are the exact same things that were said about the protests against the Vietnam War and...for Civil Rights and Women's Suffrage. :oops:

I guess it's true that; "The more things change...the more they stay the same." :ohdear:

Minimizing danger does not change it.

[GoodLife]

Gee, it's interesting that those are the exact same things that were said about the protests against the Vietnam War and...for Civil Rights and Women's Suffrage. :oops:

I guess it's true that; "The more things change...the more they stay the same." :ohdear:

Shall we compare the damages from looting, arson, businesses, public art etc from todays protests to the protests about Vietnam?

[kenoc7]

Unfortunately, situations like this can devolve into mindless acts by some people. They aren't representative of the great majority of the protesters.

[ALadysMom]

My post (the one to which you respond) is not even close to an endorsement of any system. It is simply a stated wish we ignore and should pay close attention to.

The fact that you have bought this narrative simply tells me you need to read a bit more and open your mind

Not a criticism of you in any way., but simply a statement that you should look into. BLM and the others are "bit" players

I wish you were right.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Socialism is government ownership of means of production. When there is no incentive to earn a profit no incentive to be efficient or improve what you make or do you do not have an efficiently functioning economy.

As a wise man once said Capitalism is a terrible system but better than every other system ever created.

Nothing wrong with govt preventing capitalism to run uncontrolled but nothing better than capitalism.

We became the #1 economy thru capitalism.

When everyone has everything they need, and no one needs anything they don't have, there's no need for an efficiently functioning economy. That is the primary goal of socialism. To eliminate need, because everyone already has.

[ALadysMom]

Unfortunately, situations like this can devolve into mindless acts by some people. They aren't representative of the great majority of the protesters.

Have you read any of the earliest posts? If so, then you know there are many different people, with many different reasons for being there. Unfortunately, many of the ones who believe they ALL are there for the purpose of peaceably protesting against tyranny are being put in harms way since others are there to destroy property
and create chaos. I call all of them thugs but even the FBI knows there are a variety of ideologies sharing similar goals within the crowd. It’s simpler but still accurate to just call them all thugs. The thugs use the protesters for cover from the police. Their goal is to harm capitalism, destroy history and culture and test the American resolve. Ultimately they want our democracy to end. They want socialism. The end of America.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

These are uneducated bums with no goals or any desire for a better future for themselves. They are spoiled, have no responsibility, no accountability for their actions and most of all NO RESPECT for authority. I saw the president of BLM on TV in an interview yesterday. He spoke like a street thug, looked like a street thug, is a street thug. He unequivocally stated that if they didn’t get what they want, they would burn society down. They demean the blacks that are honest and truly are trying to make a difference. The only hope for these thugs is bringing back the draft. For both make and female. They need to learn respect for authority, they need discipline, and learn how to function as a team.
God help us. This anarchy needs to stop!

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

[ALadysMom]

To be clear, peaceable protesters are not the thugs. Thugs are the ones who destroy property, loot, set fires, and endanger others. They hide within & behind the protesters so police can’t easily deal with them without endangering the protesters.

If BLM actually cared about anyone, they would take a hard stand on this but they don’t because it serves their underlying purpose which has absolutely nothing to do with racial justice.

[Bucco]

Have you read any of the earliest posts? If so, then you know there are many different people, with many different reasons for being there. Unfortunately, many of the ones who believe they ALL are there for the purpose of peaceably protesting against tyranny are being put in harms way since others are there to destroy property
and create chaos. I call all of them thugs but even the FBI knows there are a variety of ideologies sharing similar goals within the crowd. It’s simpler but still accurate to just call them all thugs. The thugs use the protesters for cover from the police. Their goal is to harm capitalism, destroy history and culture and test the American resolve. Ultimately they want our democracy to end. They want socialism. The end of America.

I was with you until you mentioned "socialism". I do not believe that is the goal of all of this stuff at all.

[ALadysMom]

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

The truth is not open to spin:

The interview was aired Wednesday.

He identified himself as BLM “leader” His name was curiously not said nor was it displayed.

Black Lives Matter leader states if US 'doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-lives-matter-leader-burn-down-system.amp)

His statement that “we will BURN down this SYSTEM” is ALL that really matters.

(Martha McCallum looked like she’d been slapped.)

[PugMom]

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

i get it. there's plenty of people on both sides looking to stir up anger, hate & whatever else they can throw in the mix, just for the sake of doing it

[Number 10 GI]

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

I don't recall MLK inciting riots. He accomplished quite a lot with peaceful protest. When someone starts rioting, burning and assaulting they have lost my sympathy and support and will never get it back. It will only set me against them even more vehemently.

[PugMom]

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

it is trademarked now, however, & i can't remember the name of the lady who takes responsibility for the group, but it's online somewhere

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The truth is not open to spin:

The interview was aired Wednesday.

He identified himself as BLM “leader” His name was curiously not said nor was it displayed.

Black Lives Matter leader states if US 'doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-lives-matter-leader-burn-down-system.amp)

His statement that “we will BURN down this SYSTEM” is ALL that really matters.

(Martha McCallum looked like she’d been slapped.)

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.

[ALadysMom]

I was with you until you mentioned "socialism". I do not believe that is the goal of all of this stuff at all.

If you find the word socialism objectionable, imagine how you’ll feel if they succeed.

Many are now and have been saying this for quite awhile. The difference is that now the thugs are acting on it. It’s no longer simply extremist rhetoric which can be dismissed or ignored.

June 4, 2020 Director of the FBI Wray said this about the destructive rioters, “ We’re seeing people who are exploiting this situation to pursue violent, extremist agendas—anarchists like Antifa and other agitators. These individuals have set out to sow discord and upheaval, rather than join in the righteous pursuit of equality and justice. And by driving us apart, they are“

What do you think
ANTI-fa means? Their goal is socialist government in America.
For those of you who don’t know & may be under-estimating them

Who is Antifa?
BBC Radio 4 - Seriously…, Seriously... - Seven things you need to know about Antifa (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/X56rQkDgd0qqB7R68t6t7C/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-antifa)

Except Antifa are hypocrites since they are fascists themselves because they often won’t allow conservatives to speak

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

[Stu from NYC]

When everyone has everything they need, and no one needs anything they don't have, there's no need for an efficiently functioning economy. That is the primary goal of socialism. To eliminate need, because everyone already has.

No need for an efficiently functioning economy is a good thing in your mind? If everyone already had what they needed they would not have it for long.

Would lead to a world with no advances at all in anything.

[donfey]

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

"Protesting" IS their job or, rather, violence and destruction is their job. The thugs show up any time there's an actual protest they can latch on to, with identical chants and tailor made signs, hell bent on the destruction of American society and, therefore, America itself. You can judge for yourself, if you're intellectually honest, where their funding comes from.

[Barborv]

These are organized political groups that want a new world order. Plain and simple. This is their goal.
And I say... PIGEON LIVES MATTER. STOP DESTROYING OUR STATUES!!!!!

[ALadysMom]

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.

I repeated the position he claimed he had.

The knowledge you have of the BLM organization is most impressive.

Did you copy & paste this from their website?

“or might prove to create CHANGE They FEAR.”

Ok, Show of hands:

Who fears the “changes” of overthrow of our government, destruction of our culture, elimination of values, suppression of religion, centralized ownership of all capital, loss of ability to earn a living, loss of our liberties, ceasing our justice system and erasing way of life?

👋 yep. FEAR.

[ALadysMom]

When everyone has everything they need, and no one needs anything they don't have, there's no need for an efficiently functioning economy. That is the primary goal of socialism. To eliminate need, because everyone already has.

^^^thought so

Glad you spoke up to remove all doubt.

[Byte1]

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

CK was an opportunist. He started the "taking a knee" when he knew he was going to be benched and probably traded. The civil rights thing did not even cross his mind at the time. He used the media and they were suckers for taking the bait. Just like they always do. CK is NO hero. He is a leach.

[jimjamuser]

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.
Nothing is black and white (no reference intended). Real-life is gray. You are correct. There are undercurrents going on that it takes expertise like the FBI to act on those gray areas.

[jimjamuser]

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.
Get a job! The answer to all the metaphysical problems of our times.

[jimjamuser]

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.
Cowardness in the face of violence. That is the "basic fight or flight" instinct. But, do NOT fight wild, crazed mobs. RUN!

[jimjamuser]

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

Training young people to advance your cause is important to transformational change. A company called Momentum can train your staff to increase it's collective power and shift the terrain under policymakers feet.

Momentum Community dot org is their website.

Escalation training to force the question which side are you on?

Active popular support. When people are activated, and refuse to cooperate with justice in massive numbers, they win.

Absorption. Scale up the movement.

Recent clients, BLM, Dream and Occupy Wall Street.

Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

Another video to watch if you're interested is from Joe Rogan. The video is Joe Rogan Experience #1494 Bret Weinstein.

I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.
Good knowledgeable post.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Good knowledgeable post.

The post about Momentum is definitely knowledgeable, but it *seems* to be supporting some kind of malevolent conspiracy theory.

Fact is, most well-implemented organizations use companies like Momentum. From politics, activism, and even corporate "team-building" opportunities. It's not nefarious, it's just one of many tools that organizations use to implement their agendas.

The reason that poster even commented about Sunrise was because the founders of the Sunrise movement had training sessions via Momentum. That doesn't mean Momentum is some nefarious shadow-organization secretly changing our world. It just means they're great trainers for people who want to have successful organizations, and those organizers typically use companies like Momentum to train them.

Some organizations use public relations firms. Some use advertising agencies. Some hire mercenaries who have military or paramilitary training. And some use companies like Momentum.

[Byte1]

:oops:

REAL history includes the "Southern Strategy" and the mass migration of racists and bigots...who switched parties. :ohdear:

For those interested in the truth, folks can educate themselves...by watching this award-winning documentary on NETFLIX.

13TH (educate yourself here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film))


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It wasn't a "mass migration" at all. It was a small amount that switched parties. This has been a myth or an urban legend for a long time. But, we cannot go further without breaking the rule about political discussion. Suffice it to say that I am not discussing politics, just a small piece of history. The Party of Lincoln has always been Anti-Slavery.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Someone asked how this is happening. The truth is that this is an election year. If this wasn't an election year, all these politicians wouldn't be kissing a$$ and acting like they sympathize with or are on the miscreant's side. These riots would be put down before they ever got started IF this was not an election year. You might as well conserve your ammo and hunker down until after Nov. Until then, these animals will get a free pass.
Personally, I wish there would be a creation of a Black Americans for Civil Defense and Law Enforcement that would march on these lawless scum and put their anarchists posteriors in the dirt. Kind of like the gang in NYC that patrols the subway like a neighborhood watch. Create a constructive Black group like that and I would not only support it but volunteer to assist where I could. If you really want BLtoMatter, then do something CONSTRUCTIVE, not destructive. I have seen a few instances where legit demonstrators chastised the law breakers and ran them away from the protest. But, that has been too little, too late.
Don't expect any politician to stand up to these protesters. Nope, they would be called "racist" and their career ended. Political cowards is a good term to describe them.

What makes you think that there aren't any black people doing something constructive, not destructive? What makes you think there isn't any black leadership organization, or civil service organization comprised primarily of blacks?

These things already exist. You just haven't ever heard of them. Why haven't you? Probably because you never really cared, until just now.

It's okay - I didn't either. I'm not black, and I never cared about white or non-specific civil service organizations either, so not caring about black ones seems pretty reasonable.

Here's the Grand Council of Guardians - which is EXACTLY the thing you are complaining that black people haven't ever done:

About | Grand Council of Guardians (https://gcgnys.org/about/)

That's just the first one I found. It is specific to New York State. I'm sure there are others all over the country, but I wanted to find at least one, so there it is.

[ColdNoMore]

It wasn't a "mass migration" at all. It was a small amount that switched parties. This has been a myth or an urban legend for a long time. But, we cannot go further without breaking the rule about political discussion. Suffice it to say that I am not discussing politics, just a small piece of history. The Party of Lincoln has always been Anti-Slavery.


13TH (educate yourself here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film))

On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 97% based on 93 reviews, with an average rating of 8.78/10.

The site's critical consensus reads, "13th strikes at the heart of America's tangled racial history, offering observations as incendiary as they are calmly controlled."[11] On Metacritic, the film has a score of 83 out of 100, based on 28 critics, indicating "universal acclaim".[12]

:ho:

[joshgun]

I live in Orange Blossom and I am in the Madison area for the summer. The violent protests Tuesday night were in response to an activists arrest Tuesday afternoon. The activist was following customers in a restaurant patio with s baseball bat over his shoulder and a bullhorn in his hand. He was swearing and calling customers racist. Other shop owners say he had been doing this for about a year. He was on probation for I believe armed robbery. State Street had been a good place to take a nice walk. The shops around 140 mostly have plywood on the windows. Covid 19, the riots, destruction and looting, now a concern for physical safety is going to harm all of Madison for a long time. Oh activist have now told news crews they could not video them.

[nn0wheremann]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The operant phrase is "peaceably to assemble". Protesters are protected. Mobs are not.

[mjpuleo]

well, all i know is that i am now retired, but when i did work many years ago my company took away our Columbus Day holiday and gave us Martin Luther King holiday--what was that all about??

[wamley]

Can we stop calling these people Demonstrators. These are criminal acts, therfore they are criminals. Demonstrators walk streets disrupt traffic and don't assualt the police, cause damage to property, places and things.

[jimjamuser]

CK was an opportunist. He started the "taking a knee" when he knew he was going to be benched and probably traded. The civil rights thing did not even cross his mind at the time. He used the media and they were suckers for taking the bait. Just like they always do. CK is NO hero. He is a leach.
Very abrasive language. It sounds as if it is at all possible to get into a person's mind to answer Why they believe or DO something. It is NOT possible. And assuming the worst possible motive will NOT breed confidence in someone's opinion.

[jimjamuser]

The post about Momentum is definitely knowledgeable, but it *seems* to be supporting some kind of malevolent conspiracy theory.

Fact is, most well-implemented organizations use companies like Momentum. From politics, activism, and even corporate "team-building" opportunities. It's not nefarious, it's just one of many tools that organizations use to implement their agendas.

The reason that poster even commented about Sunrise was because the founders of the Sunrise movement had training sessions via Momentum. That doesn't mean Momentum is some nefarious shadow-organization secretly changing our world. It just means they're great trainers for people who want to have successful organizations, and those organizers typically use companies like Momentum to train them.

Some organizations use public relations firms. Some use advertising agencies. Some hire mercenaries who have military or paramilitary training. And some use companies like Momentum.
I believe that about Momentum. I just felt the other post was helpful. If it was slanted, I probably read it too fast. Thanks

[ColdNoMore]

well, all i know is that i am now retired, but when i did work many years ago my company took away our Columbus Day holiday and gave us Martin Luther King holiday--what was that all about??

Changing from someone who never set foot on American soil...for a great American leader?


Just a wild guess though. :ho:

[kathy1516]

Gee, it's interesting that those are the exact same things that were said about the protests against the Vietnam War and...for Civil Rights and Women's Suffrage. :oops:

I guess it's true that; "The more things change...the more they stay the same." :ohdear:
Oh Black Lives Matter were there too?
Mmmm seems like I remember the Weather Underground being one of those special social justice seekers that you so eagerly defend.

[lwmilo]

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

Why is it BLACK lives matter.?..All lives matter...As soon as these anti white organizations get with it, we can have unity and TOGETHER can make changes if,
need be.

[ColdNoMore]

Oh Black Lives Matter were there too?
Mmmm seems like I remember the Weather Underground being one of those special social justice seekers that you so eagerly defend.

And they too, were just a small %...of the overall number of protestors.

Thank you for making my point. :thumbup:


P.S. I have NEVER, nor will EVER, "eagerly (or otherwise) defend" the criminals...who are looting/arsonists/promote violence.

[Scorpyo]

Oh Black Lives Matter were there too?
Mmmm seems like I remember the Weather Underground being one of those special social justice seekers that you so eagerly defend.
You forgot one of the more pacifist groups - The Black Panthers

[ALadysMom]

Why is it BLACK lives matter.?..All lives matter...As soon as these anti white organizations get with it, we can have unity and TOGETHER can make changes if,
need be.

If ALL black lives matter, then why aren’t they expressing outrage and protesting over the murders of innocent black babies & children in shootings & millions of black babies who are killed every year in abortions? What about the outrage for all of the black NY nursing home residents who were killed unnecessarily by placing COVID Positive cases in their facility? It’s very selective black lives that matter.

BLM is not what they seem to be.
It’s a giant lie.

Of course ALL lives matter. How in the world did we allow them to make that controversial? If they actually wanted fairness and equal treatment, they would realize how hypocritical it is to assert that only (certain) lives matter. Fairness and equality must apply to ALL.

They don’t want the American ideal of fair & equal justice because they don’t want AMERICA to continue.

[ALadysMom]

You forgot one of the more pacifist groups - The Black Panthers

In the 60s if anyone would have predicted that we would be dealing with identical issues and violent destructive race riots 50+ years later and IMMEDIATELY AFTER our first black President had 8 years in office, would you have believed it?

This is genuinely bizarre. It’s like deja vu. Russian collusion, impeachment, race riots, global cooling (aka warming) and...next....inflation. Sounds like the same song, second verse.

[Stu from NYC]

If ALL black lives matter, then why aren’t they expressing outrage and protesting over the murders of innocent black babies & children in shootings & millions of black babies who are killed every year in abortions? What about the outrage for all of the black NY nursing home residents who were killed unnecessarily by placing COVID Positive cases in their facility? It’s very selective black lives that matter.

BLM is not what they seem to be.
It’s a giant lie.

Of course ALL lives matter. How in the world did we allow them to make that controversial? If they actually wanted fairness and equal treatment, they would realize how hypocritical it is to assert that only (certain) lives matter. Fairness and equality must apply to ALL.

They don’t want the American ideal of fair & equal justice because they don’t want AMERICA to continue.

Agreed

[donassaid]

BLM is a Marxist organization out to create anarchy. This stopped being about George Floyd long ago. Just a convenient excuse.

[ColdNoMore]

In the 60s if anyone would have predicted that we would be dealing with identical issues and violent destructive race riots 50+ years later and IMMEDIATELY AFTER our first black President had 8 years in office, would you have believed it?


Hearing and seeing the pent up outrage/racism/bigotry/hatred/vitriol during those 8 years...I'm personally not surprised in the least. :ohdear:

If decency and sanity prevails, we'll soon start to see...a reverse of these trends.

[J1ceasar]

Many people supported communism too until they found out they were just pawns

[greenflash245]

maybe these are outside paid agitators doing this?

[Cranford61]

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

Riskless mayhem and looting is fun.

[Byte1]

Very abrasive language. It sounds as if it is at all possible to get into a person's mind to answer Why they believe or DO something. It is NOT possible. And assuming the worst possible motive will NOT breed confidence in someone's opinion.

Some of us followed the incident from the beginning. Maybe that is why we KNOW a bit more than those that picked it up half way through the game schedule?
"Abusive language?" How does an observation get interpreted as "abusive?"

[Bellavita]

I think someone is trying to make the BLM movement look bad. It is a common fact most Americans know very little of history.

[Byte1]

What makes you think that there aren't any black people doing something constructive, not destructive? What makes you think there isn't any black leadership organization, or civil service organization comprised primarily of blacks?

These things already exist. You just haven't ever heard of them. Why haven't you? Probably because you never really cared, until just now.

It's okay - I didn't either. I'm not black, and I never cared about white or non-specific civil service organizations either, so not caring about black ones seems pretty reasonable.

Here's the Grand Council of Guardians - which is EXACTLY the thing you are complaining that black people haven't ever done:

About | Grand Council of Guardians (https://gcgnys.org/about/)

That's just the first one I found. It is specific to New York State. I'm sure there are others all over the country, but I wanted to find at least one, so there it is.

Perhaps I did not make my post clear. I apologize.
I did not say there are no BLACK organizations. I said that I do not see any of them standing up to the miscreants that are destroying property, looting, killing their own as well as the police. Let's face it, when white's intervene, even with the best intentions, it is taken as a form of control or aggression. If Black Lives truly Matter to them, then why not show it by policing their own, instead of criticizing law enforcement when they are attempting to do an honest job of preserving the peace? That is a rhetorical question, not requiring an answer. It's probably prudent NOT to assume one's race, just because he or she enters a conversation dealing with the Black situation being discussed by predominantly white posters.

[OhioBuckeye]

I didn't hear anything about this but I believe you! I just can't believe they would let anyone do this. If this was anyone of us, they would of put you in the hospital for this or they wouldn't let any of these terrorist in the W.H. & vandalize anything in there. I just think they're not tough enough because they're bowing down to these kids & giving them anything they want. Seriously what's going to happen if this happens again? Can't believe they're that scared to do anything. If the protester get to tough get tougher & don't let them push the police around. I trust the police more than I do our govt. right now! God Bless the people of the U.S.

[kathy1516]

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.
Oh contraire! He was President of BLM. You need to watch real news to get the truth.

[kathy1516]

And they too, were just a small %...of the overall number of protestors.

Thank you for making my point. :thumbup:


P.S. I have NEVER, nor will EVER, "eagerly (or otherwise) defend" the criminals...who are looting/arsonists/promote violence.

In every one of your posts you seem to understand the reasons they do this and defend the cause. You continually state these are small percentages. You may see it as small but I’d like to know how you’d feel about this if it hit you personally?

[kathy1516]

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.
No tizzy orange. What difference doesn’t it make if it’s the president of NYC chapter or the whole organization? These are well funded thugs to do exactly what they are paid to do which is to Cause anarchy and further Division. He is president.

[ColdNoMore]

In every one of your posts you seem to understand the reasons they do this and defend the cause. You continually state these are small percentages. You may see it as small but I’d like to know how you’d feel about this if it hit you personally?
It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post. :oops:

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?

[Stu from NYC]

I think someone is trying to make the BLM movement look bad. It is a common fact most Americans know very little of history.

BLM is doing a great job of making themselves look bad

[Barborv]

Bikeracer, Bingo! These organizations have an agenda, to create a new world order under their ideologies. They want to re-crate America, and do away with our history.
I think we should all protest for PIGEONS LIVES MATTER. STOP DESTROYING OUR STATUES!!

[kathy1516]

It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post. :oops:

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?
No, the difference in us is that I see movements such as this a danger to the structure of America. Our forefathers had the foresight to establish guidelines to prevent this from happening. Unfortunately, this structure is being destroyed by well funded subversive groups that are trying to destroy American history and replace it with their reconstruction of America.

[Northwoods]

It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post. :oops:

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"
The only person who is making this about color... is you.

[Nucky]

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"
The only person who is making this about color... is you.

Hey Northwoods, YOU NAILED IT! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

No, the difference in us is that I see movements such as this a danger to the structure of America. Our forefathers had the foresight to establish guidelines to prevent this from happening.

Say what?

What exactly are the "guidelines" that the "FF's had the foresight to prevent from happening?"

Surely, you don't mean the...FIRST AMENDMENT to the Bill Of Rights? :1rotfl:




Unfortunately, this structure is being destroyed by well funded subversive groups that are trying to destroy American history and replace it with their reconstruction of America.

1. Who is supposedly doing the "well-funding?"

2. Which "subversive groups"...are they funding?

3. Do you have even a scintilla of actual proof (fringe/lunatic conspiracy sites don't count ;))...to either 1 or 2?

4. You really believe, that statues & monuments erected of traitors to this nation, solely to intimidate blacks during the Jim Crow era (long after the end of the Civil War)...is the only thing that constitutes "history?"

http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/98d323ApcFHpSL_9QW9_f_1xVeo=/0x0:2000x821/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:2000x821):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9082387/timeline_whoseheritage.png


5. Are you familiar with those other things, besides statues/monuments to traitors and losers, called...history books? :D

I'm always interested in learning new things, so am very anxious...in seeing your specific answers. :popcorn:

[ColdNoMore]

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"

The only person who is making this about color... is you.

Not only is that false (take a peek at recent threads, meant to denigrate black people), but you also don't have the luxury of seeing the previous posts...that have been deleted.

I'm actually encouraged that you recognize that Black Lives Matter is constituted of both white and black protestors...as not everyone seems to understand that.

I'll be interested to see if you help correct the next person who denigrates just the black folks...in the BLM movement. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

Hey Northwoods, YOU NAILED IT! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Hi Nucky...how ya doing? :cool:


Great to see you posting out here. :thumbup:

[Northwoods]

Not only is that false (take a peek at recent threads, meant to denigrate black people), but you also don't have the luxury of seeing the previous posts...that have been deleted.

I'm actually encouraged that you recognize that Black Lives Matter is constituted of both white and black protestors...as not everyone seems to understand that.

I'll be interested to see if you help correct the next person who denigrates just the black folks...in the BLM movement. :thumbup:

OK. Let me revise my comment. When you say "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?" I feel that you are making it about race.

Again... I truly believe there are many black and white (and asian. etc) people who feel very strongly that black people are not treated fairly. They are peacefully protesting.

I don't think the solution is easy by any means. Or something that can be solved "overnight."

But we're not moving toward finding solutions if we continue to goad people who post opinions that are in opposition to yours.

[ColdNoMore]

OK. Let me revise my comment. When you say "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?" I feel that you are making it about race.

Again... I truly believe there are many black and white (and asian. etc) people who feel very strongly that black people are not treated fairly. They are peacefully protesting.

I don't think the solution is easy by any means. Or something that can be solved "overnight."

:agree:



But we're not moving toward finding solutions if we continue to goad people who post opinions that are in opposition to yours.
Your comment would carry more weight and have more credibility, if you could point to even a single instance/post where you said the same thing...to those who constantly attack me. :shrug:

Isn't that the epitome...of fairness? :ho:

[manaboutown]

Oh Black Lives Matter were there too?
Mmmm seems like I remember the Weather Underground being one of those special social justice seekers that you so eagerly defend.

Burn, Loot, Murder. BLM is a domestic terrorist group.

[kathy1516]

Just so you know, I answered all your questions. However, my post did not appear. Possibly you deleted it?

[kathy1516]

Say what?

What exactly are the "guidelines" that the "FF's had the foresight to prevent from happening?"

Surely, you don't mean the...FIRST AMENDMENT to the Bill Of Rights? :1rotfl:






1. Who is supposedly doing the "well-funding?"

2. Which "subversive groups"...are they funding?

3. Do you have even a scintilla of actual proof (fringe/lunatic conspiracy sites don't count ;))...to either 1 or 2?

4. You really believe, that statues & monuments erected of traitors to this nation, solely to intimidate blacks during the Jim Crow era (long after the end of the Civil War)...is the only thing that constitutes "history?"

http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/98d323ApcFHpSL_9QW9_f_1xVeo=/0x0:2000x821/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:2000x821):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9082387/timeline_whoseheritage.png


5. Are you familiar with those other things, besides statues/monuments to traitors and losers, called...history books? :D

I'm always interested in learning new things, so am very anxious...in seeing your specific answers. :popcorn:

Just so you know, I answered all your questions. However, my post did not appear. Possibly you deleted it?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just so you know, I answered all your questions. However, my post did not appear. Possibly you deleted it?

ColdNoMore can't delete posts. He's not a moderator. You can remove the text from your own posts, and the moderators can delete posts. That's it.

[ColdNoMore]

Just so you know, I answered all your questions. However, my post did not appear. Possibly you deleted it?

:1rotfl:

You mean you didn't know, that members can delete other members posts...anytime they choose? :D

I thought everyone knew that? :oops:

[kathy1516]

ColdNoMore can't delete posts. He's not a moderator. You can remove the text from your own posts, and the moderators can delete posts. That's it.
You see the small red triangle in right upper corner? One can notify moderators to delete the post. My post is my opinion on what is happening in this country and why. If it offended someone, I’m sorry. It wasn’t meant to inflame anyone.

[Moderator]

Just so you know, I answered all your questions. However, my post did not appear. Possibly you deleted it?

Your answer is in Your Notifications at the top under your user name.

Moderator

[Bay Kid]

Lots protest because they are paid. Others protest because they have nothing else to do, the government pays too well. Others just don't like anything. Do these people ever work?

[Luisa]

I can’t tell you how many people I’ve heard say they don’t watch the news anymore. You would think the media would get the message we are disgusted with their one sided, hateful, and racist reporting.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I can’t tell you how many people I’ve heard say they don’t watch the news anymore. You would think the media would get the message we are disgusted with their one sided, hateful, and racist reporting.

I watch news - not op-eds, not news SHOWS - but actual newscasts, live reporting, investigative journalism reports.

I watch it because I want to know what's going on in the world. I don't want to hear it from some guy who posted on the internet what he heard about from his sister who got an e-mail from a blog she subscribes to that describes an event that was published by Weekly World News 3 years ago.

I watch it, and then I check references. If a newscast says "This legislator just passed that bill" I will know that there's a bill of interest to me, and I can search online for the actual government website that has the bill itself published, and I can read that bill and see exactly what's in it.

I can't do that, if I don't know that there's a bill of interest in the first place.

I can't look outside my window and decide that it's going to thunderstorm in 5 hours, based on what I see. I need to check the weather - which is news.

I can't know that I should probably check my schedule tomorrow and see if I'm even supposed to be at work at all, if I don't know that the governor has ordered all supermarkets to close. And I won't know that this is TRUE - unless I first see it on an actual news report, which will prompt me to check the governor's website for the official announcement. Or if I'm lucky I'll be able to catch that announcement live - on the news.

I check the news to be informed about current events. You don't have to, but then you'll be uninformed, and won't really have anything to contribute to any conversation about current events.