It sure looks like a noose to this white person

[blueash]

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.

You know, I know And the FBI there was no noose. The media played right into making believe there was a noose hanging in the garage. In fact it was as stated by the FBI a door pull down rope. Bubba says he has prove it was a hanging noose but has yet to show the media.......can you say Bubba Smollett
Fake Noose
First it wasn't even a noose. It was a rope tied to the door with a loop to pull the door down. Is anyone sorry? Nope. Let's use this to promote BLM.

Nascar now has to suck it up and apologize.

Just fake news - no investigation of actual facts.
Sad to see NASCAR stoop to this BLM movement.
Almost every bay has a rope with a noose that are used to pull down the garage bay doors. However, photos of Bubba's bay 4 garage on day of incident show only a much shorter rope and no noose.

The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

[Shbullet]

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.












The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

[blueash]

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

Because I live in the constant hope that someone just might, maybe just one, might re-examine their reflexive responses to anything that involves issues of race. That any story which includes POC feeling they have been victims of racism is a hoax. That while it is not possible to ever expect white people to understand on anything more than an intellectual basis what living as a POC is like, I hope some would not dismiss their concerns, their pain, their worldview as a fake and a hoax. So I present this proof that those statements I listed were wrong. 100% wrong. And that whatever preconceived notions led those people, who I carefully did not name, to make those statements might have a brief moment of thoughtfulness the next time an issue tied to race comes up

[Number 10 GI]

What/who is the source for this picture?

[nututv]

Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row. Only one problem. That piece of rope has never seen that stall. It's quite clearly photoshopped. Don't take my word either, ask anyone that knows their way around the fantastic Adobe product.
1. If you have a way of blowing it up (no, a magnifier won't cut it) you'll see three things that are dead giveaways. Ropes are weaved so why is the vertical part prior to the knot straight? In between each weave, the rope is physically narrower correct. So why is the background perfectly straight?
2. Why do the pixels of the background get so distorted where they meet the rope?
3. Look closely at the noose portion of the rope. (again, blown up) Why does it have a faint glow to it?
4. And knot to mention the obvious but... that's the cleanest, most perfect piece of rope I've ever seen in a garage. Sorry, it's a fake!
Nice try to whoever did it but that's about 20 minutes work I'd guess not including finding a bay pic and a rope pic to use.

[nututv]

What/who is the source for this picture?

Someones monitor with Photoshop open. lol

[nututv]

Here's the proof. Whoever did it got sloppy on the blending of the background on the end of the rope coming out of the knot.
I won't call it fake news. Just a fake pic.

[JIMROY]

Wrong wrong wrong!
There are not 1684 stalls at Talladega........sorry, this make your point moot.

[jacksonbrown]

Tying the hook.

[nututv]

Talladega Pit Stall layout. We seem to be missing a few hundred stalls. haha
https://i0.wp.com/ifantasyrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Talladega-Aarons-499-Pit-Stall-Selections.png?w=780

[Velvet]

I don’t know much about nooses. I do know tying knots from boating. It doesn’t look like much of a knot to me, and I don’t think you could hang anyone with it - but what matters is that it is symbolic. People took it for a noose. That is insulting and even frightening.

[GoPacers]

Here's the proof. Whoever did it got sloppy on the blending of the background on the end of the rope coming out of the knot.
I won't call it fake news. Just a fake pic.

The photo in question is currently on the Fox News web site - referencing that it originally was taken by NASCAR security. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you - just saying that NASCAR says they took the photo...

NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage)

[nututv]

I'm in no way insinuating the OP is a Sheeple, he or she was fooled. It happens to us ALL on occasion, me included! All I'm saying here is this is a perfect reason I do not believe the media. My personal opinion is that no one should. And that is ANY media just in case any of you thought I leaned hard in any particular direction.
I think for myself and after doing research on any subject (if it concerns me or draws my interest all that much) I draw my own conclusion.
This particular S*** stirring report was not only showing a fake pic but their stall count was off by what, 1000? lol Real truth in reporting there.

[ColdNoMore]

SNIP...>
There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls.

And this is a noose.

It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity.

It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose.

And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

KA:boom:

Thanks. :thumbup:

In all honesty though, I wonder if the "1,684 stalls" number is either a typo (there isn't that many at just Talladega)...or came from the FBI looking at all of the other NASCAR tracks?

[nututv]

The photo in question is currently on the Fox News web site - referencing that it originally was taken by NASCAR security. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you - just saying that NASCAR says they took the photo...

NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage)
See post about my thoughts on MSM and that includes FOX. That is why I haven't turned on a TV set in just over 4 years now. It's either bomb throwers or shows that do nothing but insult my intelligence, raise my BP and use up too many of my synapses.

[ColdNoMore]

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

Maybe to bring out facts, the truth, show a clear photo and put to rest the obfuscating conspiracy theories and those who have tried so very hard...to compare this with Smollet's disgusting stunt? :oops:

That's just a guess though. :D

[ColdNoMore]

Talladega Pit Stall layout. We seem to be missing a few hundred stalls. haha
https://i0.wp.com/ifantasyrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Talladega-Aarons-499-Pit-Stall-Selections.png?w=780

I found this at the top of the first page...on my search. :oops:

As I thought...

29 Tracks - 1,684 Stalls - ONLY 1 Noose (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955893/-1-684-garage-stalls-and-the-only-noose-was-found-in-Black-NASCAR-driver-Bubba-Wallace-s-garage)

In a NASCAR staff report, the organization said “NASCAR officials asked each track to sweep through respective garages.”

Phelps added: “So across those 29 tracks and 1,684 garage stalls, we found only 11 total that had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered on Sunday in Bubba Wallace’s garage.”


:ho:

[nututv]

Maybe to bring out facts, the truth, show a clear photo and put to rest the obfuscating conspiracy theories and those who have tried so very hard...to compare this with Smollet's disgusting stunt? :oops:

That's just a guess though. :D

'Maybe to bring out facts, the truth, show a clear photo'... lol The photo is a fake and a key argument in the article (1 out of 1684 plus stalls) has been proven to be wrong by well over 1000. Yeah, sure.

[nututv]

I found this at the top of the first page...on my search. :oops:

As I thought...

29 Tracks - 1,684 Stalls - ONLY 1 Noose (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/25/1955893/-1-684-garage-stalls-and-the-only-noose-was-found-in-Black-NASCAR-driver-Bubba-Wallace-s-garage)
I won't waste my time verifying but would you care to put big money on if that number is correct? PM me on the wager please.
1000.00 to the local no kill shelter?



:ho:
I won't waste my time verifying but would you care to put big money on if that number is correct? PM me if you agree on the wager please.
$1000.00 to the local no kill shelter?

[blueash]

I won't waste my time verifying but would you care to put big money on if that number is correct? PM me if you agree on the wager please.
1000.00 to the local no kill shelter? You have 2 minutes to decide. It's 6.09

And here, and some other posts, we have a perfect example of why I started the thread. Any claim involving Black grievances must be fake, the photo must be doctored, .... I put a link in the original post to show what a hangman's noose looks like but I will add a few to this post which you can compare at your leisure to the one from the NASCAR report. I also very clearly indicated that NASCAR looked at every garage in their system, not just at one track. As to the photo being doctored, I obviously don't have the original but in my copying it from the news report and then copying it again to this website it is entirely possible that the jpeg process made it a bit fuzzy.
The news photo is available on FOX
NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage)
and on ESPN
NASCAR releases image of noose found in Bubba Wallace's garage, says concern was 'real' (https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29364817/nascar-releases-image-noose-found-bubba-wallace-garage-says-concern-was-real)
and many other sites including NASCAR's own website
NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/)

Here is the direct quote from NASCAR.com. Looks like you are going to be donating some cash

"After Sunday’s discovery, NASCAR officials asked each track to sweep through respective garages. Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall."

Here are snips of the noose from NASCAR's photo and online drawings and photos. If you want to tell me that the NASCAR noose is not a noose and you're an expert in noose making, I'll take your word for it. Like I said in the thread title, it looks like a noose to me.

[nututv]

As I said in my very first post and I quote. 'Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row.' Regarding degradation of a jpeg you are somewhat correct, but the degradation is global in a picture, not just around the rope part. Honestly, arguing that point is useless. It's not the way bits and byte's work. It's math, it's factual!
Regarding black grievances... I think the cop that started all this should be hung by a black guy in a public square. That said, I'm not going to lie to make my already flawed argument look any better or look the other direction when someone that may agree with me does something wrong.

[DeanFL]

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1. It was a short smal rope with a noose-type knot.
2. It was attached to the garage DOOR, not a ceiling rafter or tree limb.
3. It was at that same place on the same door (documented) since Fall of 2019.
4. It was NOT KNOWN that Wallace would be assigned #4 garage.

but - the Wallace team, NASCAR, and of course the Press JUMPED on this with abandon - 15 FBI agents assigned - and the Media made this the spectacle that (unfortunately) we are still talking about.

Case closed - and should have been dropped within 20 minutes after finding it.

Nope - yet another overblown and overreacted matter. period. I'm SO done with this.
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[John41]

See post about my thoughts on MSM and that includes FOX. That is why I haven't turned on a TV set in just ov er 4 years now. It's either bomb throwers or shows that do nothing but insult my intelligence, raise my BP and use up too many of my synapses.

same here, no TV news

[BobnBev]

I'm desperate? I've proven the article wrong on several things yet you're still trying to defend it. lol Article said it was a noose in the garage. That was wrong. Article said 29 tracks, NASCAR says they have 30. I'm the one that not an hour ago posted how the MSM is full of crap and just proved it multiple times with just 1 article and... I'm willing to drop 1k at a shelter because even though I haven't researched it, I'm so confident that they are wrong I'm willing to put money on it. BTW. My PM is empty and I gave you 16 minutes.
Nice try but as they say nowadays, youv'e been owned. :popcorn:

I thought you said there was a MOOSE in the garage, hahahaah, now, where the heck are my glasses.:boom:

[nututv]

I thought you said there was a MOOSE in the garage, hahahaah, now, where the heck are my glasses.:boom:

I could photoshop Bullwinkle in if you would like but they'll call it a fake. lol

[nututv]

Well son of a gun. You quoted the same thing I did and yours doesn't have the +1 or the word other in it either.
Just because I don't believe the lies, distortions and propaganda used to try and make a point does not at all mean I don't believe in the fight for equality. No matter what damn color.

And here, and some other posts, we have a perfect example of why I started the thread. Any claim involving Black grievances must be fake, the photo must be doctored, .... I put a link in the original post to show what a hangman's noose looks like but I will add a few to this post which you can compare at your leisure to the one from the NASCAR report. I also very clearly indicated that NASCAR looked at every garage in their system, not just at one track. As to the photo being doctored, I obviously don't have the original but in my copying it from the news report and then copying it again to this website it is entirely possible that the jpeg process made it a bit fuzzy.
The news photo is available on FOX
NASCAR releases photo of '''noose''' found in Bubba Wallace'''s garage | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-releases-photo-noose-bubba-wallaces-garage)
and on ESPN
NASCAR releases image of noose found in Bubba Wallace's garage, says concern was 'real' (https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29364817/nascar-releases-image-noose-found-bubba-wallace-garage-says-concern-was-real)
and many other sites including NASCAR's own website
NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/)

Here is the direct quote from NASCAR.com. Looks like you are going to be donating some cash

"After Sunday’s discovery, NASCAR officials asked each track to sweep through respective garages. Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall."

Here are snips of the noose from NASCAR's photo and online drawings and photos. If you want to tell me that the NASCAR noose is not a noose and you're an expert in noose making, I'll take your word for it. Like I said in the thread title, it looks like a noose to me.

[ColdNoMore]

Well son of a gun. You quoted the same thing I did and yours doesn't have the +1 or the word other in it either.
Just because I don't believe the lies, distortions and propaganda used to try and make a point does not at all mean I don't believe in the fight for equality. No matter what damn color.

:1rotfl:

"After Sunday’s discovery, NASCAR officials asked each track...

So it didn't dawn on you, when NASCAR officials "asked each track," Talledaga wasn't included, because they (and the FBI) were there...and had already looked at all of the other stalls? :oops:

[Lindsyburnsy]

My thoughts exactly. That is a noose, regardless of how long it has been hanging there. With all of the Confederate paraphenalia around NASCAR, it is of no surprise that at least one person would think this would catch the eye of someone sooner or later. There are lots of knots, but only one knot is a noose and this was it.

[Mikeod]

Here's the proof. Whoever did it got sloppy on the blending of the background on the end of the rope coming out of the knot.
I won't call it fake news. Just a fake pic.
I agree. If you enlarge the photo it's easy to see where color has been added above the end of the rope where it passes across the image of the edge of the garage. It's much blacker than the background color. That leaves a couple of possibilities. It may be just a touchup job to make the rope stand out, which is shaky but OK, I guess. Or it can be a Photoshop job to embellish the narrative. And not OK. At this point it's hard to take anything about the incident as certain.

[manaboutown]

It looks to me like Bubba successfully jumped into the national spotlight by playing the race card rather than driving his race car. His stunt reminds me of that of Jussie Smollett whose acting career was pretty ho hum but who is now world famous.

[roscoguy]

Here's the proof. Whoever did it got sloppy on the blending of the background on the end of the rope coming out of the knot.
I won't call it fake news. Just a fake pic.
Wait, because a 307x361 pixel jpeg looks fuzzy when blown up full screen that is proof that it is fake? Oh, please.
hmm. According to NASCAR, they have 30 tracks. lol Please bet me. Please :a040:
But what does NASCAR know. hahahahahaha BOOM The whole article is more wrong than a soup sandwich!

NASCAR Tracks | NASCAR.com (https://www.nascar.com/tracks#:~:text=NASCAR%20holds%20races%20at%2030,su perspeedways%20longer%20than%202%20miles).
According to the article quoted, NASCAR says they have 29 tracks. The page you linked to says "NASCAR holds races at 30 different tracks..." Big problem: if you actually count the tracks on that list, there are 31. Here's some real proof: NASCAR has trouble counting their own tracks.
I've proven the article wrong on several things... I'm the one that not an hour ago posted how the MSM is full of crap and just proved it multiple times with just 1 article and... I'm willing to drop 1k at a shelter because even though I haven't researched it, I'm so confident that they are wrong I'm willing to put money on it.
You haven't proven anything at all. The article quoted is from nascar.com, NOT "the MSM". NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/?linkId=100000013167655) All in all, I'd say you're lucky nobody called your bluff & took that bet.
As you said yourself, "Nice try but as they say nowadays, youv'e (sic) been owned. :popcorn:"

[graciegirl]

'''No crime committed''' in NASCAR noose investigation | Reuters Video (https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/no-crime-committed-in-nascar-noose-inves-idOVCJQJ697)

[ColdNoMore]

More fake news. :oops:

Bubba didn't lose sponsors...because of BLM or the noose incident.
(http://heavy.com/sports/2020/06/darrell-bubba-wallace-sponsorship-blm-lose-sponsor/)

There seems to be some confusion over Bubba Wallace’s sponsorship deal and the driver’s decision to create a unique Black Lives Matter color scheme for his No. 43 car while racing at Martinsville. Since arriving at Richard Petty Motorsports, Wallace has had a variety of primary sponsors that have often changed throughout the season.

Prior to Martinsville, Wallace’s primary sponsor in Atlanta for the Folds of Honor 500 was McDonald’s. Wallace’s past primary sponsors for 2020 have included Victory Junction, World Wide Technology and the U.S. Air Force. The Black Lives Matter car does not appear to have ties to a particular sponsor but was a joint-decision by Wallace along with Richard Petty Motorsports. According to Fox Sports, it was Petty’s idea to add the peace sign on the side of the car.

“I’m excited for this opportunity to run #BlackLivesMatter on the car for Martinsville,” Wallace explained, per NASCAR.com. “This statement that we have right here. … Running this race car. Being on live television. I think it’s going to speak volumes for what I stand for, but also what the initiative that NASCAR, the whole sport, is trying to push.”




He DID lose one sponsor, because he got mad at an irace (virtual/video game) back in April...and quit playing the video game.

Which, IMHO...he shouldn't have done.

NASCAR Driver Bubba Wallace Loses Sponsor After Rage-Quitting Televised Sim Race - The Drive (https://www.thedrive.com/accelerator/32902/nascar-driver-bubba-wallace-loses-sponsor-after-rage-quitting-televised-sim-race)

Wallace was fighting for position with Clint Bowyer of Stewart-Haas Racing during Sunday's NASCAR iRacing Pro Invitational Series when the two made contact along the front stretch of Bristol Motor Speedway. Bowyer closed the door on Wallace a hair too late, causing him to dart into the outer wall and crash, but the Stewart-Haas driver blamed the incident on Wallace and rejoined the track only to deliberately wreck him in the next corner. And that went exactly as you'd expect.

"That's it, that's why I don't take this **** serious," quipped Wallace as he reset to the pits, only to proclaim "Peace out!" as he closed down his stream and left the race.

Emu oil balm manufacturer Blue-Emu, an occasional sponsor of Richard Petty Racing since 2015, was similarly displeased and withdrew its sponsorship following the race.

[graciegirl]

Again. Much ado about nothing. People are looking for hate. Hate is not pretty, no matter who does it.

[nututv]

Wait, because a 307x361 pixel jpeg looks fuzzy when blown up full screen that is proof that it is fake? Oh, please.
It's only 'fuzzy' around the rope. Nowhere else. That doesn't strike you as odd? I'm no Photoshop wizard. No single person could be. The program is just too powerful but I've used it since KAI made powertools for it. 20 years, maybe more. I'm pretty good at it and I know what to look for.
Don't believe me, please show that to anyone that knows how the program works and they'll agree. It is not an un-altered photo. The black line above the rope end, shadows come from a light source and that's no shadow. Where is the light source? His foot? That's also probably the closest thing to pure black in the entire photo. lol It's fake! Look, I'm no weatherman either but I know the difference between a drizzle and a down poor. Please, I'm not asking you to like or respect me. Personally I could care less, just trust me on this one. It's been altered.

[MSchad]

Bubba Wallace '''relieved''' rope in garage wasn'''t noose targeted at him, acknowledges '''embarrassment''' | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/auto/bubba-wallace-relieved-rope-in-garage-wasnt-noose-targeted-at-him-acknowledges-embarrassment)
Wallace said he was “embarrassed” by the incident, but relieved to know it wasn’t targeted at him. He never saw the noose in person, which he told ESPN was discovered by an African American member of his team who reported it to NASCAR. Phelps said he is bothered that it hadn't registered with anyone sooner, but reconfirmed that Wallace's team had nothing to do with it, which has been alleged by some on social media.

[nututv]

According to the article quoted, NASCAR says they have 29 tracks. The page you linked to says "NASCAR holds races at 30 different tracks..." Big problem: if you actually count the tracks on that list, there are 31. Here's some real proof: NASCAR has trouble counting their own tracks.

I'm pretty sure, not too far back, I said do not trust the MSM. All MSM. Research yourself, draw your own conclusions.... I guess I should have included NASCAR in that statement. My apologies. Article says 29, NASCAR says 30, you counted the tracks at 31. Media says NASCAR said 29... Who FC anymore lol. Someone here took the liberty at altering something from the article and implying/assuming they really meant 29 + the one they were at. Bit of a stretch there don't you think? And then added the word 'other' which used where it was, was purposely misleading to back up their argument. It's still there. Look for yourself.
And you are correct. Seems the good ol boys at Left Turn central don't know what properties they have or not.

[tophcfa]

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.










The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

Things sometimes look like what someones predisposed agenda expects to see. Take a closer look at the picture that the OP posted. It is a rope with a big loop. A noose is a self tightening knot that only gets tighter when weight is hung from it. Nooses can be a very bad thing if used for the wrong purpose. The knot in the picture is a fixed knot that will not tighten when weight is hung from it. Look at reality and ignore what ones agenda fictitiously sees.

[JP]

So do drivers always get the same garage or was this the first time he was in it. The noose could have been there previously in somebodies else's garage.

[Tom2172]

It’s a rope
It’s used to close garage door
It’s been like that since 2019
Before NASCAR went public with their racist hoax they knew that.
This was racist publicity for Nascar to get diversity!
Very racist publicity stunt by evil NASCAR
It was wrong NASCAR should be condemned

[dbmachine]

THE RACE ENDED WITH BUBBA RUNNING OUT OF GAS. Funny that none of the drivers got out to push him across the finish line after the race.

[Henryfrakl]

All the garage pulls look like that. Just another one caught in a flat out lie

[Girlcopper]

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.











The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

Just another “poor me. Im so discriminated against” story. It was proven that rope is a door pull and has been there for over a year!! Maybe he should stop the pot stirring and also apologize for the crap he tried to start. FBI proved he lied

[ColdNoMore]

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE.

And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls.

And this is a noose.

It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously.

But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door.

It was not an over-reaction or fake.

It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity.

It was a real noose, and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose.

And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern.
EXACTLY!

Bubba didn't see it.

Bubba didn't report it.

Bubba didn't "start" anything.

Bubba isn't "stirring the pot," only racist/bigoted white people incensed at the ban on confederate flags and hatred of BLM...are doing that and keep "stirring-the-pot." :oops:

Since in and of itself, it's not against the law to just be a racist or bigot (as long as one isn't exercising it to control jobs/promotions/housing/Etc.) why can't those folks just be honest...and publicly own/admit it? :ohdear:

[camaguey48]

Don't believe everything you see or hear. Even salt looks like sugar.

[CaptainET]

When I see a noose like this , I think of old western movies , I would have never thought it was something racist, I'll have to look at nooses differently now after this week.

[Leadbone1]

Because I live in the constant hope that someone just might, maybe just one, might re-examine their reflexive responses to anything that involves issues of race. That any story which includes POC feeling they have been victims of racism is a hoax. That while it is not possible to ever expect white people to understand on anything more than an intellectual basis what living as a POC is like, I hope some would not dismiss their concerns, their pain, their worldview as a fake and a hoax. So I present this proof that those statements I listed were wrong. 100% wrong. And that whatever preconceived notions led those people, who I carefully did not name, to make those statements might have a brief moment of thoughtfulness the next time an issue tied to race comes up

This site has become ridiculous because of posts like this. It should be a requirement that you have an IQ of at least 90 to be able to post out here. The media is turning to many people into idiots

[ColdNoMore]

Due to the historical rash of lynchings of black people, by mobs with little to no reason except the victim was black, nooses have LONG been used...to try and intimidate blacks.

Anyone who doesn't know THAT, is either extremely naïve or.... :ohdear:


Nooses Appearing Across The Country (click here) (http://www.ajc.com/news/nooses-dark-symbols-hate-appear-across-amid-racial-tensions/3XrpC88dfeqz6v5rBp4NdK/)

Nooses hung from trees, hateful vestiges of Jim Crow-era lynchings that are still used to intimidate Black people, have been sighted in at least 11 cities around the country in recent weeks, according to an unofficial tally by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Six separate incidents that were initially thought to be racist displays have turned out to be false alarms, Tuesday’s count of the incidents revealed.

In one of the more shocking scenes found Saturday in Milwaukee, laminated photos of six nationally recognized Black victims — most of whom died at the hands of police — were found tied to nooses and hanging from a tree in Riverside Park,

:ho:

[roscoguy]

It's only 'fuzzy' around the rope. Nowhere else. That doesn't strike you as odd? I'm no Photoshop wizard. No single person could be. The program is just too powerful but I've used it since KAI made powertools for it. 20 years, maybe more. I'm pretty good at it and I know what to look for.
Don't believe me, please show that to anyone that knows how the program works and they'll agree. It is not an un-altered photo. The black line above the rope end, shadows come from a light source and that's no shadow. Where is the light source? His foot? That's also probably the closest thing to pure black in the entire photo. lol It's fake! Look, I'm no weatherman either but I know the difference between a drizzle and a down poor. Please, I'm not asking you to like or respect me. Personally I could care less, just trust me on this one. It's been altered.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/current-events-news-541/84814d1593119185-sure-looks-like-noose-white-person-fake-noose-jpg
Really? The image you posted of the noose picture opened in PhotoShop is fuzzy/pixelated everywhere! You sure seemed to be drawing on some extensive experience with PS to (unilaterally) declare that the picture was a fake. Maybe you don't fully understand jpeg?
I'm pretty sure, not too far back, I said do not trust the MSM. All MSM. Research yourself, draw your own conclusions.... I guess I should have included NASCAR in that statement. My apologies. Article says 29, NASCAR says 30, you counted the tracks at 31. Media says NASCAR said 29... Who FC anymore lol. Someone here took the liberty at altering something from the article and implying/assuming they really meant 29 + the one they were at. Bit of a stretch there don't you think? And then added the word 'other' which used where it was, was purposely misleading to back up their argument. It's still there. Look for yourself.
And you are correct. Seems the good ol boys at Left Turn central don't know what properties they have or not.
Wait, now NASCAR is "MSM" too??? :confused: That's a new one, at least to me. BTW, don't apologize to me, that should go to the person you jumped all over when he posted the information provided by NASCAR stating that they had checked "the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks".
If you go around showing people that photo, that know an edited photo and the effects of doing so. And tell them that you have proof and it's un-altered, you'll either be told you're wrong or thought of as the same. Depends on their level of kindness I guess.
I showed you proof, the fact you choose not to accept it is a different issue and I can't help you there, your just stuck on stupid I guess. I've also shown you proof of others here manipulating others words. I have another word I generally use instead of manipulation but I'll keep it to myself. Well no I won't. It's called lying. Nothing more or less. Lying. To be the one doing it is called a liar. Figured you might need to know that as well.
"lucky nobody called your bluff" I'm not lucky, I don't gamble (never have) and I don't bluff!
I think I'll head out to the fire pit, enjoy watching the flames as I think of you old farts... flaming each other.
So long and thanks for all the fish. = )
So long and thanks for all the fish - Hitchhiker's Guide (HD) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dUmDBfp6k)
AS far as I can find, you are the ONLY one declaring the noose photo to be fake. And you claim not to be a PS master!!! Sorry, but that's not proof at all. I'm not even going to respond to the name calling, etc. (removed from this response) :cus: :ohdear:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Oh, the irony... :a20:

[dbmachine]

This site has become ridiculous because of posts like this. It should be a requirement that you have an IQ of at least 90 to be able to post out here. The media is turning to many people into idiots
Yes indeed

[dbmachine]

Watch out Kroger. Your business is showcased in the picture of the noose. Might wanna board up the windows and evacuate

[greenflash245]

looks like a noose to me

[oneclickplus]

Because I live in the constant hope that someone just might, maybe just one, might re-examine their reflexive responses to anything that involves issues of race. That any story which includes POC feeling they have been victims of racism is a hoax. That while it is not possible to ever expect white people to understand on anything more than an intellectual basis what living as a POC is like, I hope some would not dismiss their concerns, their pain, their worldview as a fake and a hoax. So I present this proof that those statements I listed were wrong. 100% wrong. And that whatever preconceived notions led those people, who I carefully did not name, to make those statements might have a brief moment of thoughtfulness the next time an issue tied to race comes up

Because there are numerous example of fake racism by white people (Jussie Smollett is but one of hundreds - perhaps thousands); we do not need to be educated on being sensitive to real racism. We understand real racism and hate it. However, when no investigation is done ... when fact are not presented ... when a photo of the actual "noose" is not shown to the public, it is quite easy to drift over to the Jussie Smollett paradigm. In fact, it's my default position until shown otherwise. And I wasn't shown otherwise. So, it was just a rope to grab the garage door.

[graciegirl]

EXACTLY!

Bubba didn't see it.

Bubba didn't report it.

Bubba didn't "start" anything.

Bubba isn't "stirring the pot," only racist/bigoted white people incensed at the ban on confederate flags and hatred of BLM...are doing that and keep "stirring-the-pot." :oops:

Since in and of itself, it's not against the law to just be a racist or bigot (as long as one isn't exercising it to control jobs/promotions/housing/Etc.) why can't those folks just be honest...and publicly own/admit it? :ohdear:

Or....it is possible that little rope noose was retied and photographed to cause people to talk about racism. There is some of that going on. There are a lot of new words, maybe not NEW words, but negative labels for people who are not guilty of wrong doing. It is in many cases warranted and needed to be reminded that many areas of this country did segregate and had discriminatory laws. I believe that our National Laws are now fair. I think it is wrong to ignore law breakers and miscreants and to diminish all police officers. I think affirmative action and paying people because of their race is wrong. There are a lot of people who are not guilty of being racist but only shamed now for being born white. I was not aware until midnight last night as I was reading what hurts others about white privilege were little things like the band-aids being only the color of white flesh and the make up geared toward white skin. That does give one pause. The television commercials are showing a lot of black and Asian people now. I don't know if that will help anyone do better or feel better. Being mad at people because they are white doesn't seem like a good thing. I do know that someone is going to post back at me that I just don't "get it" and I will be thinking I am glad he doesn't live at my house or on my street. You know...all this talking and all this conscience raising just sometimes makes matters worse. But I did learn and think about the band aids and make up. Now if all parents would teach their children to not run from the police and all parents would teach their children to not break the law and all parents would teach their children it hurts people when you make them feel small and bad and wrong when they are not. But it is right to make children feel small and bad and wrong when they are breaking rules and being unfair and unkind to others because they "can".

[Bay Kid]

Fake noose.

[Bernie1]

Stop being sucked into these FALSE NARRATIVES and outright LIES.
Your being played. Your doing exactly what theses people want. You know the truth, the FBI cleared this as a hoax.

[lwmilo]

What/who is the source for this picture?
Where did you get your intel from. You should state it to make your statement credible. Would cut out out half the opioniated responses...

Namvet Lar

[kenoc7]

Do you realize that all the information came directly from the President of NASCAR?

[Jaydee7897]

You can “see” what you want to see, no matter what is reality !

[Debi-G]

Have you not watched the news??? It was NOT a noose... It was a rope on the garage door to pull the door down like most people have, that had been there for 9 months per video and confirmation of others in that garage. Bubba did not think it was a noose, and he does not like all of the racial implications that people are trying to keep stirred up.

[Vette2014]

Nascar pandering. no Backbone, ALL LIVES MATTER BUBBA

[Bikeracer2009]

I was a manager at a factory and we had a row of bay doors. Some of the doors had a noose and some didn't. The doors can get hard to open over time.

I'm not saying Bubba wasn't targeted by a racist person. I'm just sharing my experience using a noose to create a hand hold on a garage door pull.

[Dana1963]

That is not a two year old garage pull as the FBI reported. There would be some discoloration from oil and grease over time!There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.










The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

[ScottYvonne]

It had been there since October 2019, you can not leave that fact out. Stop it...Bubba put out a statement he was glad it was a mistake. After he had time to see footage for himself.

[CFrance]

I see everyone on here is "guest." Is this the new current events forum?

[PugMom]

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?

agreed, very low-quality thread & will probably be removed again, why push it?? what point can be made? it's become a non-issue

[PugMom]

What/who is the source for this picture?
thank you, it looks like a shopped thumbnail

[ProfessorDave]

You got it right! Just do the math! So many ignorant people - shame!

[Scorpyo]

Ah the noose (again). Let me tell you a little story. On a previous post I mentioned that I had a need to learn to tie a really good knot. One that would hold my fat ….. on a high roof. When I started my research into knots I got a little enthused. So I started making all kinds of knots. For me it was similar to learning magic tricks. I was impressed when I successfully completed a complicated one. I saw the noose knot. I was tempted to do it but at that point I was too lazy. Had I successfully completed one I’m certain I would have been proud and probably kept it. You won’t believe it but the one thing that didn’t come to my mind was racial injustice. I’m sure some of you would call me ignorant or insensitive. But the fact is I’m pretty much an average person. Not everyone looks for the dark side in everything that’s done. I’ve been to hundreds of motorcycle service departments and seen many ropes. Never once in my wildest imagination did I make a connection to the knot looking like a noose and it being a statement of racial injustice. So, now nooses are a sign of racial injustice. I guess chains will be next. After all what was used on all when they were transported. Let’s get back to nooses. I bet everyone reading this has seen the movie Hang ‘Em High. There were many nooses and hangings in that movie. Where was the outrage? There was none because no one made a connection to racial injustice. How about Pirates of the Caribbean? How about Homeland? It had a very graphic hanging scene with a noose. I guess Hollywood, as usual, is exempt. Let’s move over to Nascar. I don’t know if it was ignorance that started this or that they thought someone might make something of it so they decided they’d get ahead of it. Make something out of possibly nothing and become the good guys – I guess maybe that was their strategy. I don’t know about that but what I do know is that the marketing after-the-fact has been brilliant. It was not a noose but it was fashioned like a noose (?) and days later we’re still discussing, no, arguing about it. Lastly, I guess I shouldn’t try to make a noose because it’s no longer a knot and I’m going to get rid of all my chains because I’m sure they’re next.

[roscoguy]

... when a photo of the actual "noose" is not shown to the public, it is quite easy to drift over to the Jussie Smollett paradigm. In fact, it's my default position until shown otherwise. And I wasn't shown otherwise. So, it was just a rope to grab the garage door.

But it has been shown, and the picture provided by NASCAR is in the very first post in this thread.

[roscoguy]

Or....it is possible that little rope noose was retied and photographed to cause people to talk about racism.

Not really, because the same rope with the same noose on the same garage door has also been shown before it was cut off. That photo is reportedly from 2019.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/bubba-wallace-noose-hoax-9.jpg

[ldj1938]

We're talking about red neck racing. This really started on dirt tracks in the south with the good old beer drinkin' rebs havin' fun. I can see some bored mechanic or helper tying, unsuccessfully, a noose. Big deal! Get another beer and move on...

[roscoguy]

Ah the noose (again). Let me tell you a little story. On a previous post I mentioned that I had a need to learn to tie a really good knot. One that would hold my fat ….. on a high roof. When I started my research into knots I got a little enthused. So I started making all kinds of knots. For me it was similar to learning magic tricks. I was impressed when I successfully completed a complicated one. I saw the noose knot. I was tempted to do it but at that point I was too lazy. Had I successfully completed one I’m certain I would have been proud and probably kept it. You won’t believe it but the one thing that didn’t come to my mind was racial injustice. I’m sure some of you would call me ignorant or insensitive. But the fact is I’m pretty much an average person. Not everyone looks for the dark side in everything that’s done. I’ve been to hundreds of motorcycle service departments and seen many ropes. Never once in my wildest imagination did I make a connection to the knot looking like a noose and it being a statement of racial injustice. So, now nooses are a sign of racial injustice. I guess chains will be next. After all what was used on all when they were transported. Let’s get back to nooses. I bet everyone reading this has seen the movie Hang ‘Em High. There were many nooses and hangings in that movie. Where was the outrage? There was none because no one made a connection to racial injustice. How about Pirates of the Caribbean? How about Homeland? It had a very graphic hanging scene with a noose. I guess Hollywood, as usual, is exempt. Let’s move over to Nascar. I don’t know if it was ignorance that started this or that they thought someone might make something of it so they decided they’d get ahead of it. Make something out of possibly nothing and become the good guys – I guess maybe that was their strategy. I don’t know about that but what I do know is that the marketing after-the-fact has been brilliant. It was not a noose but it was fashioned like a noose (?) and days later we’re still discussing, no, arguing about it. Lastly, I guess I shouldn’t try to make a noose because it’s no longer a knot and I’m going to get rid of all my chains because I’m sure they’re next.

Your story aside, you & many others still seem to be missing the point.
Bubba Wallace, "NASCAR's only Black full-time driver" didn't find the noose. A member of his team did. It truly seems to be a coincidence that it was hanging in the garage stall he was assigned, but is apparently unique in all of NASCAR. "Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall." NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/?linkId=100000013167655)
That being the case, what would this team member assume? That a rope fashioned with an actual noose at the end meant nothing? Even with the dark history of lynchings in the past? This wouldn't even have been the first time that a noose was purposely left as a symbol of hate & bigotry in recent times. Fortunately, it turned out to have been directed at no one in particular, but who could have known that at the moment it was found? Under those circumstance, nearly anyone would have reported it. Just because it turned out to have been unintentional, it doesn't make it a hoax.

[Scorpyo]

We're talking about red neck racing. This really started on dirt tracks in the south with the good old beer drinkin' rebs havin' fun. I can see some bored mechanic or helper tying, unsuccessfully, a noose. Big deal! Get another beer and move on...
Careful what you ask for regardless of the fact that you're absolutely right. If your advice was taken then with whom would postors (?) be able to argue? BTW what is the correct way to say one who posts? Poster, postor? I tried to look it up but couldn't find it.

[rmd2]

Yup, that's a noose alright and from memory, that looks like a stall off pit row. Only one problem. That piece of rope has never seen that stall. It's quite clearly photoshopped. Don't take my word either, ask anyone that knows their way around the fantastic Adobe product.
1. If you have a way of blowing it up (no, a magnifier won't cut it) you'll see three things that are dead giveaways. Ropes are weaved so why is the vertical part prior to the knot straight? In between each weave, the rope is physically narrower correct. So why is the background perfectly straight?
2. Why do the pixels of the background get so distorted where they meet the rope?
3. Look closely at the noose portion of the rope. (again, blown up) Why does it have a faint glow to it?
4. And knot to mention the obvious but... that's the cleanest, most perfect piece of rope I've ever seen in a garage. Sorry, it's a fake!
Nice try to whoever did it but that's about 20 minutes work I'd guess not including finding a bay pic and a rope pic to use.

That's right. The fake picture of this "noose" looks NOTHING like the ones I have seen in the news showing the loop of rope that was there for the garage door pull.

[Scorpyo]

Your story aside, you & many others still seem to be missing the point.
Bubba Wallace, "NASCAR's only Black full-time driver" didn't find the noose. A member of his team did. It truly seems to be a coincidence that it was hanging in the garage stall he was assigned, but is apparently unique in all of NASCAR. "Across the 1,684 garage stalls at 29 tracks, NASCAR found only 11 total had a pull-down rope tied in a knot and only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in the No. 43 garage stall." NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/?linkId=100000013167655)
That being the case, what would this team member assume? That a rope fashioned with an actual noose at the end meant nothing? Even with the dark history of lynchings in the past? This wouldn't even have been the first time that a noose was purposely left as a symbol of hate & bigotry in recent times. Fortunately, it turned out to have been directed at no one in particular, but who could have known that at the moment it was found? Under those circumstance, nearly anyone would have reported it. Just because it turned out to have been unintentional, it doesn't make it a hoax.
Nearly anyone would have reported it? If it had been there for months than probably many people have seen and even used it. So I believe many people ignored it and took it for what they thought it was, namely a rope with a clever loop. Some may have thought it was a cleverly done noose for the door but they didn't make the dark connection. One person saw it and made that connection, either right or wrong. Nascar could have investigated it without making it a national upheaval. Why didn't they? That's a very interesting question. Let's say the noose was done with ill intentions. Should it have gotten to this level? Remember Nascar is a business. How many businesses deal with racially sensitive situations each and every day, hundreds, thousands? Should each one be national news and ammunition for chaos? For some the answer might be yes. For others, like me, the answer is punish wrong doers for their actions but don't use individual incidents to push a political narrative or as an excuse to use it for violence. How many swastikas are painted on the side of Jewish homes and synagogues? How many make the news? Maybe swastikas really don't have any bad memories for Jews. Oh, Jews are white, never mind. There are so, so many horrible things happening everyday in this world, things that don't simply hurt feels but actually take lives and we make a monumental deal of a rope fashioned like a noose. So much for our priorities.

[roscoguy]

Nearly anyone would have reported it? If it had been there for months than probably many people have seen and even used it. So I believe many people ignored it and took it for what they thought it was, namely a rope with a clever loop. Some may have thought it was a cleverly done noose for the door but they didn't make the dark connection. One person saw it and made that connection, either right or wrong. Nascar could have investigated it without making it a national upheaval. Why didn't they? That's a very interesting question. Let's say the noose was done with ill intentions. Should it have gotten to this level? Remember Nascar is a business. How many businesses deal with racially sensitive situations each and every day, hundreds, thousands? Should each one be national news and ammunition for chaos? For some the answer might be yes. For others, like me, the answer is punish wrong doers for their actions but don't use individual incidents to push a political narrative or as an excuse to use it for violence. How many swastikas are painted on the side of Jewish homes and synagogues? How many make the news? Maybe swastikas really don't have any bad memories for Jews. Oh, Jews are white, never mind. There are so, so many horrible things happening everyday in this world, things that don't simply hurt feels but actually take lives and we make a monumental deal of a rope fashioned like a noose. So much for our priorities.

"Under those circumstances, nearly anyone would have reported it." Were Bubba & his crew using that stall during the months the noose was there? It sure doesn't sound like it. That would definitely be part of the circumstances.
Who knows why NASCAR called the FBI? The hoopla has mostly died down in the press; no so much here on ToTV however.
Swastikas? Synagogues? Can we even keep on topic here? This is news, whether worthy or not, because of the racial turmoil going on at the moment in this country. Denying & excusing what IS A NOOSE doesn't make it go away. I'll be all too happy to drop the subject as soon as all that stuff stops.

[ColdNoMore]

"Under those circumstances, nearly anyone would have reported it." Were Bubba & his crew using that stall during the months the noose was there? It sure doesn't sound like it. That would definitely be part of the circumstances.
Who knows why NASCAR called the FBI? The hoopla has mostly died down in the press; no so much here on ToTV however.
Swastikas? Synagogues? Can we even keep on topic here? This is news, whether worthy or not, because of the racial turmoil going on at the moment in this country. Denying & excusing what IS A NOOSE doesn't make it go away. I'll be all too happy to drop the subject as soon as all that stuff stops.

Nailed it. :thumbup:

We have a bunch of liars in this nation, who pathetically and weakly profess that they don't know EXACTLY the history of lynching black people by racist mobs and the use of nooses...solely to try and intimidate black people.

I won't go so far as saying that every single one of these people are full-blown racists, but if you're pretending that you don't know that nooses have been, and continue to be, used to try and terrorize black people in this country or want to try and minimize this form of intimidation/terrorizing...then the likelihood that you're part of the problem goes up significantly. :ohdear:

In other words, to those people I say...you're not fooling anyone. :oops:

[deanjohnson]

Anyone who sees that as noose has never seen one, there is no resemblance. I’ve seen a lot of ropes with loops on garage doors so you can grip easily to no slip and cause a rope burn on your hand. Most today have a wood handle but if the break they just tie a loop to grip.

[DeanFL]

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I MUST say - I personally am SO SICK & TIRED of this topic, I am turning my brain OFF to this matter. Done - but IT DID EXACTLY what the Media and others wanted - it was simply a PERFECT Fit for this quote from Rahm Emanuel, a former mayor of Chicago and a former Democratic congressman from Illinois. He served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama from 2009 to 2010.

“Never allow a good crisis go to waste. It’s an opportunity to do the things you once thought were impossible.”
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[Velvet]

This is just a thought, this reaction to symbols could it be PTSD?

[GoodLife]

There was a lengthy thread, shut down by the moderator when it got nasty, regarding the investigation instigated by NASCAR after a noose was found at a race track.

The thread was titled
Nascar Noose story may be a hoax or case of mistaken identity
See those were the only two possibilities mentioned.

I could cite many more. This gist of the majority of postings on the thread was that there was no real noose, it was all fake news. Now more information is out including the actual unretouched, uncropped photo and data from NASCAR about the pull down ropes on every other garage door in its sport.

There was exactly ONE noose found in examining 1,684 stalls. ONE. And only 11 ropes tied in a knot out of 1,684 stalls. And this is a noose. It wasn't aimed at Mr. Wallace and may not have been made maliciously. But it is absolutely not a standard rope on a garage door. It was not an over-reaction or fake. It was not a hoax and it was not mistaken identity. It was a real noose (https://www.shutterstock.com/search/hangmans+noose), and the only rope at a NASCAR facility tied into a noose. And to those who are seemingly willingly blind to the reasons there was concern. I offer this photograph.

My my we've been busy. Gosh that Nascar noose photo sure looks scary. Big thick rope and huge loop with lots of nasty coils at the top. Only problem is, the closeup photo was designed to look scary and the noose isn't a noose. Nascar photographer Bob Pockrass showed on twitter a photo he took of the same garage and "noose" in October 2019. You can see it's not a thick rope, probably 1/4 inch, and the loop is maybe 3-4 inches wide. You couldn't fit a baby's head through that loop.

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Nascar President Steve Phelps, seeing his companies image getting hammered on social media, probably said I want the scariest closeup of the noose we have! Stat!!

It's not a noose anyway. How do I know? Well I tied several knots exactly like that last night on my friends boat 20 miles offshore from Tarpon Springs. We use knots like that for leaders or hook when we are going after big strong fish like Groupers. Once you tighten down the knot and trim the tag line, it looks just like the Nascar photo. But it is not a noose, no matter how hard you pull on the loop, it does not tighten, even if you are a 500 pound grouper. Pull on an actual noose, and the loop tightens.

Video: how to tie a Duncan loop knot

Fishing Knots: How to Tie a Duncan Loop Knot - YouTube (https://youtu.be/9BUQ3z6a4u4)

Here's one on a swimming pool thermometer, pretty scary!

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So Bubba's noose is not a noose, as the FBI described it " a garage door pull down rope fashioned like a noose" Even Bubba knows it's not a noose, he described it on the today show as "Not a functioning noose, but it is a noose." Bubba and Nascar can call it a noose and seem to like to, but IT IS KNOT A NOOSE :)

So do I still think this is a hoax? Yes indeed and here's why.

The Nascar photo of the "noose" was taken Sunday afternoon, we know this because you can see puddles on the pavement, rain was reason race on Sunday was postponed until Monday. According to Nascar's published timeline, Nascar was notified of the incident at 4:30 PM on Sunday and they immediately sent a team to investigate. At this time the "noose" was still attached to the garage pull down rope. Later on Sunday Phelps had a tearful briefing with Bubba where he shared details and undoubtably photos of the "noose" Both Nascar and Bubba put out breathless and heroic statements of the disgusting racial hate incident.

On Monday Morning, Nascar called FBI and they sent 15 agents to investigate the crime scene and view the horrible nooselike loop knot on the garage pull down rope. The noose was cut down as shown in photos taken Monday

On Monday at 1:12 PM Nascar Prez Steve Phelps held a press teleconference, answering various questions.

Q. Can you confirm, was the rope the rope that normally you would pull down the garage door?

STEVE PHELPS: I am not sure. I have no information on that.

That's straight up lies right there, why would I trust another word he says?

So nobody from the Nascar team that was sent to the garage the day before had briefed the President of the company that the "noose" was at the end of the garage pull down rope and showed him photos? :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

Later Monday they had the beautiful cathartic photo op with all the drivers pushing Bubba's car. It was super woke.

On Tuesday The FBI announced it was not a racial hate crime, the 'Noose" had been there since October 2019, and a Wood Brothers racing team member had seen it when they used the same garage.

So all the hoopla about a racial hate crime was milked for all it's worth even though Nascar knew it was just a garage pull down rope with a loop knot and not a functioning noose on the very first day. How admirable.

About those 1600 garages Nascar had surveyed and the only one with a "noose" was Bubbas? There are photos all over the internet of loops on the garage door ropes at numerous Talladega garages from 2017 and on. I guess they all just majically disappeared before this incident. Or maybe Phelps told his team, I want every door inspected and if there are any loops, untie them and report to me that none were found. Remember, he's getting hammered in social media, and he's a corporate executive. They never tell fibs do they?

Also, in the Nascar photo, on the left you can see part of a person standing there. He is wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019 on Sunday, or at the latest early Monday morning.

That rope in the Nascar image does look brand new doesn't it? Maybe Nascar mechanics wash their hands a lot. Doesn't really matter, they pushed a hoax when they knew the truth was something different.

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[GoodLife]

Photo of Bubba's boat on his Instagram. At least we know Bubba knows how to tie a bowline loop knot.

Login • Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/B1USDFPnzAk/?utm_source=ig_embed)

[graciegirl]

To me, there is much more anger than most experience so we all must be missing some really, really bad stuff.

I just don't like being the brunt of someone's unresolved awful experiences and I don't think being this angry helps anyone. I get the feeling that some posters think all people who are not him or think like him or vote like him are all the same. I think a lot of how we look at things has much to do with our early lives and our innate intelligence which is just an accident of birth. Some people are born smarter than others. Some people are born more intuitive than others. Some people can see through schemes and pretension and propaganda and unrealistic solutions. And some cannot. EVER.

[roscoguy]

Gosh that Nascar noose photo sure looks scary. Big thick rope and huge loop with lots of nasty coils at the top. Only problem is, the closeup photo was designed to look scary and the noose isn't a noose. Nascar photographer Bob Pockrass showed on twitter a photo he took of the same garage and "noose" in October 2019. You can see it's not a thick rope, probably 1/4 inch, and the loop is maybe 3-4 inches wide. You couldn't fit a baby's head through that loop.
Big thick rope? The rope is neither big or thick, just seen from a closer view in one photo; that's how perspective works.

So Bubba's noose is not a noose, as the FBI described it " a garage door pull down rope fashioned like a noose" Even Bubba knows it's not a noose, he described it on the today show as "Not a functioning noose, but it is a noose." Bubba and Nascar can call it a noose and seem to like to, but IT IS KNOT A NOOSE :)
So it has to actually function in order to be seen as a noose? I don't remember hearing anything even implying that it was fully functional. Who'd have tested it?

So do I still think this is a hoax? Yes indeed and here's why.

The Nascar photo of the "noose" was taken Sunday afternoon, we know this because you can see puddles on the pavement, rain was reason race on Sunday was postponed until Monday.
Where did it say when the photo with the noose still hanging was taken? From nascar.com: NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR (https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2020/06/25/nascar-completes-investigation-into-no-43-garage-stall-at-talladega/?linkId=100000013167655)
"Monday, June 22
– Early Monday a.m.: FBI Birmingham office reaches out to NASCAR.
~ 10 a.m.: FBI arrives at Talladega Superspeedway with 15 field agents to begin investigation. NASCAR provides the FBI with a list of personnel with access to the garage, as well as video and images taken from the weekend and the 2019 fall weekend as well."
Wouldn't that suggest that it was an earlier photo, as you seem to imply below?*

...About those 1600 garages Nascar had surveyed and the only one with a "noose" was Bubbas? There are photos all over the internet of loops on the garage door ropes at numerous Talladega garages from 2017 and on. Yeah, didn't see 'em. Did a search for "Talladega noose" & "Talladega rope" images; nothing but what we've already seen right here. Have any links? Please, no more looong, boring videos though.

Also, in the Nascar photo, on the left you can see part of a person standing there. He is wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019 on Sunday, or at the latest early Monday morning.
*See above.

That rope in the Nascar image does look brand new doesn't it? Maybe Nascar mechanics wash their hands a lot. Doesn't really matter, they pushed a hoax when they knew the truth was something different.
I don't know about "brand new"; are all the other ropes dirtier? You call it a hoax, but the FBI never seemed to come to that conclusion.

[GoodLife]

Big thick rope? The rope is neither big or thick, just seen from a closer view in one photo; that's how perspective works.

The Nascar photo close up with no perspective makes rope look thicker, loop look bigger, more menacing. The 2019 photo shows it in scale, a 1/4 inch rope with a small loop of 3-4 inches. This was done with a purpose.

So it has to actually function in order to be seen as a noose? I don't remember hearing anything even implying that it was fully functional. Who'd have tested it?

Please, initial Nascar, Bubba, Media reports all called it a noose. Not looks like a noose, fashioned like a noose. But a Noose. It's not, If it doesn't tighten when pulling on the loop it is not a noose. Period. Of course the Nascar team and the FBI would have tested this immediately.

Where did it say when the photo with the noose still hanging was taken? From nascar.com: NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
"Monday, June 22
– Early Monday a.m.: FBI Birmingham office reaches out to NASCAR.
~ 10 a.m.: FBI arrives at Talladega Superspeedway with 15 field agents to begin investigation. NASCAR provides the FBI with a list of personnel with access to the garage, as well as video and images taken from the weekend and the 2019 fall weekend as well."
Wouldn't that suggest that it was an earlier photo, as you seem to imply below?*

It's obvious the photo was taken on Sunday afternoon. Puddles on the pavement, rain on Sunday forced postponement till Monday. Photos taken on Monday show "noose" was cut from the rope. They didn't leave it hanging. The earlier photo was taken in October 2019, that and how they knew it wasn't put there for Bubba. Wood Brothers racing had the same stall in 2019 and told Nascar and FBI that it was seen by them then.

Yeah, didn't see 'em. Did a search for "Talladega noose" & "Talladega rope" images; nothing but what we've already seen right here. Have any links? Please, no more looong, boring videos though.

photos of loop knots on garage pulls Talladega 2017, there's more buy don't want to bore you with video evidence.

NASCAR releases photo of the suspected 'noose' found in Bubba Wallace's garage | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8460495/NASCAR-releases-photo-suspected-noose-Bubba-Wallaces-garage.html#newcomment)

I don't know about "brand new"; are all the other ropes dirtier? You call it a hoax, but the FBI never seemed to come to that conclusion


It looks pretty new but doesn't matter. The same rope and "noose" are seen in October 2019 photo posted above. FBI was called in to investigate a hate crime. They said none exists. The hoax was perpetuated by Nascar Bubba etc because they knew from the get go it was just a pull down rope with a knot that looked like a noose, but wasn't a real noose, and they knew that it had been there since October 2019. Phelps straight up lied during his teleconference on Monday, he already knew the whole story. That's the hoax.

[John_W]

I'm not a liar, I say it's a noose. Bubba has been running his mouth for two weeks about the Confederate Flag, what you expect, they would embrace him? Wise up people. They don't want him there, he's an outsider. If he quits, good Riddance!!!! Move on to more important issues, Getting Fans Back in The Seats, Getting Rid of Bubba was Step #1!!!

[Slapnut]

That noise was produced by the CEO of Nascar and he miraculously found it after the FBI investigated it. Seems like Nascar is trying to cover it's back. Look how new and pristine it looks. I don't believe the noose problem one bit.

[graciegirl]

We all know there are those in our society who would hang a noose to intimidate and to hurt and frighten or shock others, but we also know that in our society there are also those who would falsely fake something to make a point too.

I do not associate personally with either of those types, and please don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about, our friends aren't picked from "rent a friend" but carefully kept and nurtured and we have some going back five decades who have been with us through thick and thin and some new ones who are just as open and loyal and with so many folks to pick from drifted to us and stuck and we feed them and enjoy them and hope for a few decades with them as well. Our friends our both conservative and liberal in their views but not people who would trick someone to make their point and not a one talks down to anyone or they are out the door. Life is too short and many people underestimate the wisdom of people on this panel.

You can feel the teeth gritting loathing of some posts on this forum. Some old music lyrics stick with me and this I think is from Carousel....

"There is nothing so bad for a woman as..............a man who thinks he's good."

And I am amazed by the folks who cannot see themselves posturing and acting like they are superior to others when they are just bullies. Just bullies.

[GoodLife]

I'm not a liar, I say it's a noose. Bubba has been running his mouth for two weeks about the Confederate Flag, what you expect, they would embrace him? Wise up people. They don't want him there, he's an outsider. If he quits, good Riddance!!!! Move on to more important issues, Getting Fans Back in The Seats, Getting Rid of Bubba was Step #1!!!

I don't think so. Bubba is the centerpiece of Nascar's new get woke go broke campaign.

Don't care much anyway, Nascar is boring to me, driving in a circle making left hand turns for 200 miles. I much prefer Formula 1 which has the most highly skilled drivers in the world.

[Dennys37Packard]

Sorry, I agree photoshopped. the noose is of a different resolution than the rest of the picture and I agree sloppy at top of Knot rushed, .. blurry and rope is narrower coming out of top. I’m sure there are people in “NASCAR Security” that want to keep issue going too. If true, it’s a hateful thing to do, but too many things don’t add up in these cases and they start to feel like a Smollett issue. Just my take

[roscoguy]

Big thick rope? The rope is neither big or thick, just seen from a closer view in one photo; that's how perspective works.

The Nascar photo close up with no perspective makes rope look thicker, loop look bigger, more menacing. The 2019 photo shows it in scale, a 1/4 inch rope with a small loop of 3-4 inches. This was done with a purpose.
So anything that doesn't show the entire door is somehow "menacing"? How would anyone take a closer picture then? Closeups of wild animals might be scary; ropes don't really have the same effect.

So it has to actually function in order to be seen as a noose? I don't remember hearing anything even implying that it was fully functional. Who'd have tested it?

Please, initial Nascar, Bubba, Media reports all called it a noose. Not looks like a noose, fashioned like a noose. But a Noose. It's not, If it doesn't tighten when pulling on the loop it is not a noose. Period. Of course the Nascar team and the FBI would have tested this immediately.
OK, "alleged", non-functioning noose. Better? :ohdear:

Where did it say when the photo with the noose still hanging was taken? From nascar.com: NASCAR completes investigation into No. 43 at Talladega | NASCAR
"Monday, June 22
– Early Monday a.m.: FBI Birmingham office reaches out to NASCAR.
~ 10 a.m.: FBI arrives at Talladega Superspeedway with 15 field agents to begin investigation. NASCAR provides the FBI with a list of personnel with access to the garage, as well as video and images taken from the weekend and the 2019 fall weekend as well."
Wouldn't that suggest that it was an earlier photo, as you seem to imply below?*

It's obvious the photo was taken on Sunday afternoon. Puddles on the pavement, rain on Sunday forced postponement till Monday. Photos taken on Monday show "noose" was cut from the rope. They didn't leave it hanging. The earlier photo was taken in October 2019, that and how they knew it wasn't put there for Bubba. Wood Brothers racing had the same stall in 2019 and told Nascar and FBI that it was seen by them then.
I'm still missing something here. You say that the Wood Brothers were using this stall in 2019 and also said earlier that the guy partially shown in the scary photo is "wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019". So how does that mean that the photo is from Sunday, 6/21/20? It can't be both ways.

Yeah, didn't see 'em. Did a search for "Talladega noose" & "Talladega rope" images; nothing but what we've already seen right here. Have any links? Please, no more looong, boring videos though.[/B]

photos of loop knots on garage pulls Talladega 2017, there's more buy don't want to bore you with video evidence.
Well, thanks for that anyway! I've wasted enough time watching videos that you've claimed contained proof, but really didn't. But, just to be a stickler for detail, are any of the photos or videos from this year?

I don't know about "brand new"; are all the other ropes dirtier? You call it a hoax, but the FBI never seemed to come to that conclusion

It looks pretty new but doesn't matter. The same rope and "noose" are seen in October 2019 photo posted above. FBI was called in to investigate a hate crime. They said none exists. The hoax was perpetuated by Nascar Bubba etc because they knew from the get go it was just a pull down rope with a knot that looked like a noose, but wasn't a real noose, and they knew that it had been there since October 2019. Phelps straight up lied during his teleconference on Monday, he already knew the whole story. That's the hoax.
You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. But what you insist is a hoax would seem to be at most a misunderstanding in a sticky situation involving a Black driver & what positively LOOKS like a noose. Did NASCAR over-react, possibly even cover their butts when stating there were no other "nooses" in any stalls? Could be.
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This theory you present doesn't seem to stand up to the definition of 'hoax', IMO. It's obviously still your right to believe it though.

[Dreah]

Why on earth would you start another thread on this?
There's a huge difference between a pull-rope and a noose. What I saw was definitely a noose, and Mr. Wallace was not the one that brought it to the attention of the news, it was a white person.

[GoodLife]

So anything that doesn't show the entire door is somehow "menacing"? How would anyone take a closer picture then? Closeups of wild animals might be scary; ropes don't really have the same effect.

Look at Nascar photo of "noose" taken June 21 vs same exact "noose" in same exact garage taken October 2019. Which one looks bigger and more scary? This isn't hard. You can't tell from Nascar photo that it is a garage pull down rope and you can't tell how big it really is.

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Angles and lenses can be used to make photos look completely different.

Scary covid spreading beach scene

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Same beach, same day same time from helicopter

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OK, "alleged", non-functioning noose. Better? :ohdear:

If your butcher cut a piece of rump roast to look like a filet mignon and sold it to you for $20 a pound would you be happy? Words matter. It's not a noose.


I'm still missing something here. You say that the Wood Brothers were using this stall in 2019 and also said earlier that the guy partially shown in the scary photo is "wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019". So how does that mean that the photo is from Sunday, 6/21/20? It can't be both ways.

The Bubba "noose" was discovered on Sunday June 21. Photos from the next day show it had been cut down. Sunday was rainy, race postponed. Puddles in Nascar photo. When do you think the photo was taken? :ohdear:


Well, thanks for that anyway! I've wasted enough time watching videos that you've claimed contained proof, but really didn't. But, just to be a stickler for detail, are any of the photos or videos from this year?

I've posted this video several times, showing lots of "nooses" at Talladega since 2016
It's only 2 minutes long, so watch carefully and let me know if there's no proof. Nascar Steve Phelps claims all nooses at all Nascar tracks have magically disappeared and the only one found was in Bubba's garage. Since he lied in his teleconference last Monday, I don't believe a word he says.


You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. But what you insist is a hoax would seem to be at most a misunderstanding in a sticky situation involving a Black driver & what positively LOOKS like a noose. Did NASCAR over-react, possibly even cover their butts when stating there were no other "nooses" in any stalls? Could be.
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This theory you present doesn't seem to stand up to the definition of 'hoax', IMO. It's obviously still your right to believe it though.


Definition of hoax : an act intended to trick or dupe

Nascar Prez Steve Phelps and Bubba Wallace knew it was a non functioning "noose" at the end of a garage pull down rope on Sunday afternoon, and they knew it was not targeted at Bubba either by Sunday afternoon or at the latest Monday morning because Wood Brothers racing told them same "noose" was at same garage in 2019.

Yet they still went ahead with breathless racial hatred statements, called FBI to investigate, staged a kumbaya Bubba car push, and rode the woke train until FBI affirmed what they already knew, it was a garage pull down rope that had been there since at least October 2019. Nascar and Bubba are still claiming "the noose was real"

[GoodLife]

There's a huge difference between a pull-rope and a noose. What I saw was definitely a noose, and Mr. Wallace was not the one that brought it to the attention of the news, it was a white person.

Not a noose, it's a Uni or Duncan loop knot. Nooses tighten, loop knots do not.

A white person found it?

Speaking on ESPN's "First Take" (video above), Wallace said, "Yes, it was a garage pull for our stall at Talladega, but that was in the solid shape of a noose. And when my guys seen that, when my crew member had seen that -- who happened to be African American -- he did his research first, and I was very proud of that.

Bubba Wallace debriefs in interviews, defends crew member who spotted noose | Autoblog (https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/24/bubba-wallace-nascar-noose-investigation/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNo P3E9YnViYmErc2F5cytibGFjaytjcmV3K21ld21iZXIrZm91bm QrdGhlK25vb3NlJmZvcm09RURHVENUJnFzPVBGJmN2aWQ9Zjc1 MGJjNTdhNGVmNDViZTg1MmJlNDVkMGI4Y2ZhMzQmcmVmaWc9Nz U5ZWVhNjJjY2NlNGI2NGI5YTdhY2ViNTAzMDZjODImY2M9VVMm c2V0bGFuZz1lbi1VUyZwbHZhcj0w&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADc4i322KpNHpfPnSlKQPXTW-ENy95VInIZPbGygPmMUdvZK2Xw_xrlWQ_cUXyezt76WPfK4dGT n8w9zFjYfHCBeZr6U7-tv7FxtrehMTe8Utnsl9KXxjTv18I5cn_aBcGxcC5I-HccsJvFROL9dfUYmE-YPO3gOKOYO8v3a4O5r)

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[roscoguy]

So anything that doesn't show the entire door is somehow "menacing"? How would anyone take a closer picture then? Closeups of wild animals might be scary; ropes don't really have the same effect.

Look at Nascar photo of "noose" taken June 21 vs same exact "noose" in same exact garage taken October 2019. Which one looks bigger and more scary? This isn't hard. You can't tell from Nascar photo that it is a garage pull down rope and you can't tell how big it really is.
It really isn't hard: neither one looks scary at all. Before NASCAR published the closeup, people were saying that they hadn't seen any noose photos and that the one from a distance looked like a bowline, etc. It's not a bowline, it's a non-functioning noose. The angle wasn't contrived for any nefarious purpose; it was a closer image, plain & simple.

OK, "alleged", non-functioning noose. Better? :ohdear:

If your butcher cut a piece of rump roast to look like a filet mignon and sold it to you for $20 a pound would you be happy? Words matter. It's not a noose. That's not a matter of words at all... Looks matter, too. Try walking past TSA with a non-functioning weapon in your hand. Right?
You seem to be expecting that someone needed to actually test the noose to see if it tightened and I can't image that happening or even mattering. Phelps has said, "'In hindsight, I should have used the word "alleged" in our statement." Also,
"'As you can see from the photo, the noose was real, as was our concern for Bubba' Phelps continued." NASCAR releases photo of the suspected 'noose' found in Bubba Wallace's garage | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8460495/NASCAR-releases-photo-suspected-noose-Bubba-Wallaces-garage.html#newcomment) Maybe "non-functioning" would have been better?

I'm still missing something here. You say that the Wood Brothers were using this stall in 2019 and also said earlier that the guy partially shown in the scary photo is "wearing a Wood Brothers racing team jersey, so we know they knew about the rope being the same in October 2019". So how does that mean that the photo is from Sunday, 6/21/20? It can't be both ways.

The Bubba "noose" was discovered on Sunday June 21. Photos from the next day show it had been cut down. Sunday was rainy, race postponed. Puddles in Nascar photo. When do you think the photo was taken? :ohdear:
That's what I'm asking you. One time you say it rained on Sunday, 6/21/20 so that proves that it was taken on Monday, 6/22/20. Then you say that the guy in the background of the same photo is proof that the noose existed in 2019. Very contradictory & confusing. :confused:

Well, thanks for that anyway! I've wasted enough time watching videos that you've claimed contained proof, but really didn't. But, just to be a stickler for detail, are any of the photos or videos from this year?

I've posted this video several times, showing lots of "nooses" at Talladega since 2016
It's only 2 minutes long, so watch carefully and let me know if there's no proof. Nascar Steve Phelps claims all nooses at all Nascar tracks have magically disappeared and the only one found was in Bubba's garage. Since he lied in his teleconference last Monday, I don't believe a word he says.
I haven't seen this 2-minute video that you posted, but still, nope. I don't care about 2016 & it just doesn't apply. Answer my question above, please.
I'm fairly sure that "all nooses at all Nascar tracks have magically disappeared and the only one found was in Bubba's garage." are in fact your words & not Steve Phelps'.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't matter. But what you insist is a hoax would seem to be at most a misunderstanding in a sticky situation involving a Black driver & what positively LOOKS like a noose. Did NASCAR over-react, possibly even cover their butts when stating there were no other "nooses" in any stalls? Could be.
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. This theory you present doesn't seem to stand up to the definition of 'hoax', IMO. It's obviously still your right to believe it though.


Definition of hoax : an act intended to trick or dupe

Nascar Prez Steve Phelps and Bubba Wallace knew it was a non functioning "noose" at the end of a garage pull down rope on Sunday afternoon, and they knew it was not targeted at Bubba either by Sunday afternoon or at the latest Monday morning because Wood Brothers racing told them same "noose" was at same garage in 2019.

Yet they still went ahead with breathless racial hatred statements, called FBI to investigate, staged a kumbaya Bubba car push, and rode the woke train until FBI affirmed what they already knew, it was a garage pull down rope that had been there since at least October 2019. Nascar and Bubba are still claiming "the noose was real"The 'functioning' thing again?!?! :ohdear: It LOOKS just like a noose, it really doesn't have to be used as one IF there had been a message. Everyone is relieved that it was not an act of racism directed at Bubba Wallace. Moving on...