All bars ordered to stop alcohol sales

[Chatbrat]

Looks like phase 2 just got shot in the butt. Fl has just order all bars to stop selling alcohol. That was short lived.

And I'm pointing a finger @ a local watering hole, places like City Fire LSL, shot themselves in both feet.

Had to blow it for $$

[MSchad]

I see Texas ordered, but can’t find announcement of Florida. You have link?
Probably will happen though.

[fdpaq0580]

I'm heading heading for my "man-cave", I mean "person-cave" to see if I can get a table for 1. Please, don't worry about me, I will/do wear a mask and I have 86 proof oral rinse.

[shut the front door]

There are no bars in The Villages. City Fire is not a bar, it is a restaurant.

[Chatbrat]

yea, right, what about all those seats surrounding a bartender--its a restaurant whose primary income is from booze--go there @ your own risk if covid doesn't get you, second hand smoke will

[Altavia]

Florida DBPR
@FloridaDBPR
Effective immediately, the Department of Business and Professional Regulation is suspending on premises consumption of alcohol at bars statewide.




Coronavirus: You can no longer drink alcohol at bars in Florida (https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/06/26/coronavirus-you-can-no-longer-drink-alcohol-at-bars-in-florida/)

[shut the front door]

Another correction to your post, "on site". They can sell to go if they choose to. Sales are not "banned".

[Gulfcoast]

Another correction to your post, "on site". They can sell to go if they choose to. Sales are not "banned".

So what does that mean? You buy a drink "to go" and stand outside on the sidewalk drinking it?

What about bars with outdoor seating. Are the customers allowed to sit outside? I haven't been to a bar in what seems like forever so I really don't know how they are enforcing this or why they are singling out bars for these types of restrictions. Not that I want to see these restrictions applied elsewhere.....

[Stu from NYC]

There are no bars in The Villages. City Fire is not a bar, it is a restaurant.

The outdoor area kind of sort of looks like a bar to me

[roscoguy]

Rats! :sigh: I suppose "on premises consumption" includes outdoor seating too. Waiting for clarification, I guess.

[shut the front door]

Thousands of restaurants have a bar. That doesn't make them classified as a bar for legal purposes. The percentage of food sales is what determines whether they are classified as a bar or restaurant. The actual bars were not allowed to reopen until phase 2 on June 5. That resulted in a big spike, especially in the younger crowd.
I'm assuming the squares will not open on July 6 since they can't serve alcohol.

[Gulfcoast]

I'm confused. If I go out for dinner can I order a glass of chardonnay with my dinner or is that not allowed now because the drink comes from the bar? No Irish coffee for dessert?

[Gulfcoast]

Stay home, be safe--there is not a restaurant/bar in TV that is world class enough to be worth dying for.

And keep all your young relatives/guests away from your domicile--they are the group that is responsible for the current spike

The same goes for the Villages Sales group who are pushing their sales/trial stays

Staying trapped inside of my house, looking at the 4 walls closing in on me is not the way that I want to spend my hard earned retirement. We'll be confined to assisted living/nursing homes before we know it, but I'm certainly not going to check myself in there prematurely.

Hoping/praying this Covid-19 stuff ends soon. The sooner the better.

[Chatbrat]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

[shut the front door]

I'm confused. If I go out for dinner can I order a glass of chardonnay with my dinner or is that not allowed now because the drink comes from the bar? No Irish coffee for dessert?

See post differentiating between a bar/nightclub and a restaurant. Restaurants are still serving. Belle Glade cancelled Petrina this evening because of the rise in cases, but they are still serving alcohol and will continue to.

[Stu from NYC]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

Thank you for your service

[Gulfcoast]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

Thank you for your service. But the difference is that you signed up to be on that ballistic sub and I am also assuming that you were paid to be there and have received retirement and other benefits for your service. I am also assuming that you committed yourself to doing that tough job in order to protect the freedom and security of our country. If you want to get a drink at a bar, you should be able to get a danged drink at the bar.

This business of forcing our businesses to close down shop and making law abiding citizens feel like heartless criminals for going to the gym or getting a haircut is ridiculous. All of this while rioters and looters run the street creating unchecked death and destruction. Honestly, I don't understand what is happening in this country, I just know that I do not have the energy nor the desire to deal with that stuff. I would love to find a nice oasis where I can play golf, go to the pool, play cards, take classes and go out for dinner/drinks/entertainment. I want to see smiles, not masks. Friends, not bullies.

I believe that the experts have stated that Covid-19 is far less deadly than originally feared. Why on earth are we still treating it like the plague? I guess I'm just over this whole thing and have been for awhile. It's really disappointing to see these restrictions coming back. I hate it.

[Joe V.]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

Or confined to a fire base along the Mekong for 9 months.

[Chatbrat]

You've served your time--now is not the time for a do over-to all combat vets --welldone

[Rosie53]

No you can order drinks from your table. They just don’t want the shoulder to shoulder seating that groups at a bar are exposed to. It’s not alcohol consumption that they want to curtail, just the social distancing aspect of it.

[jacksonbrown]

Stay home, be safe

So long as you don't fall in the shower.

[jacksonbrown]

See

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/os/documents/EO_2020-09.pdf

the 50% rule still applies.

[bilcon]

I'm confused. If I go out for dinner can I order a glass of chardonnay with my dinner or is that not allowed now because the drink comes from the bar? No Irish coffee for dessert?

You can order a drink at any place that sells them, but you can't sit at the bar. Sooo sit at a table, eat and drink whatever you want.:MOJE_whot:

[MrsArmie]

Stay home, be safe--there is not a restaurant/bar in TV that is world class enough to be worth dying for.

And keep all your young relatives/guests away from your domicile--they are the group that is responsible for the current spike

The same goes for the Villages Sales group who are pushing their sales/trial stays
Nonsense! Get out there and live life! The only ones who should be staying home are those dying of covid!

[Gulfcoast]

You can order a drink at any place that sells them, but you can't sit at the bar. Sooo sit at a table, eat and drink whatever you want.:MOJE_whot:

That is good to know. I will do just that! Thanks :icon_wink:

[Stu from NYC]

Nonsense! Get out there and live life! The only ones who should be staying home are those dying of covid!

Seriously??? Wonder how anyone dying from the virus caught it?

[C. C. Rider]

Bars are distinguished from restaurants by the percentage of their sales ($$$) that is derived from food versus the percentage of sales derived from the sale of alcohol.

Therefore, for a bar to be legal under the new rules, they'll have to sell a bag of peanuts or potato chips for $5 and throw in a beer or mixed drink for free. That way, ALL their sales revenue is from the sale of food. :coolsmiley:

[Chi-Town]

RATING = "NOT TRUE" (click here) (http://www.truthorfiction.com/copied-from-an-osha-certified-friend/)




:ho:

Truth or Fuction is an excellent site. Glad you caught the misinformation cut and paste quote.

[Joanne19335]

There are no bars in The Villages. City Fire is not a bar, it is a restaurant.

I beg to differ. It’s a Petrie dish.

[Girlcopper]

I see Texas ordered, but can’t find announcement of Florida. You have link?
Probably will happen though.
Yes, Florida closed all bars. Liquor can be sold still at restaurants. Broward County never opened their bars yet, so no big deal. I doubt the world will end if you cant go to a bar.

[Girlcopper]

I'm confused. If I go out for dinner can I order a glass of chardonnay with my dinner or is that not allowed now because the drink comes from the bar? No Irish coffee for dessert?
BARS are not serving. Restaurants still are with dinner. Nothing much has changed. Its not a big deal unless you usually spend your day sitting on a bar stool gulping down beers all day. If you do, then you have bigger problems than the virus

[coffeebean]

Another correction to your post, "on site". They can sell to go if they choose to. Sales are not "banned".

Congregating with no social distancing is the culprit here. Too many people are denying the guidelines and it is not only the customers at fault but the establishments. When are they going to accept that we are all in the midst of a pandemic and certain behaviors are on hold for the time being.

[coffeebean]

Staying trapped inside of my house, looking at the 4 walls closing in on me is not the way that I want to spend my hard earned retirement. We'll be confined to assisted living/nursing homes before we know it, but I'm certainly not going to check myself in there prematurely.

Hoping/praying this Covid-19 stuff ends soon. The sooner the better.

You never had to ever be trapped inside your home. We are all urged to go outside and breath fresh air. Take a walk, ride a bike, exercise any way you like outside. Driveway parties are great way to socialize and still be able to maintain social distancing while enjoying a drink and snacks. Swimming or pool walking is also within the guidelines along with pool activities. No, you don't have to stay inside your home, looking at the four walls. Get out and enjoy life as it is now. It will get better.

[Heyitsrick]

Seriously??? Wonder how anyone dying from the virus caught it?

Well, your erstwhile governor says a NYC study showed people getting COVID-19 infections were overwhelmingly those who were staying at home.

Cuomo: Most new NY coronavirus hospitalizations are from people who stayed home (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html)

[Heyitsrick]

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[coffeebean]

Thank you for your service. But the difference is that you signed up to be on that ballistic sub and I am also assuming that you were paid to be there and have received retirement and other benefits for your service. I am also assuming that you committed yourself to doing that tough job in order to protect the freedom and security of our country. If you want to get a drink at a bar, you should be able to get a danged drink at the bar.

This business of forcing our businesses to close down shop and making law abiding citizens feel like heartless criminals for going to the gym or getting a haircut is ridiculous. All of this while rioters and looters run the street creating unchecked death and destruction. Honestly, I don't understand what is happening in this country, I just know that I do not have the energy nor the desire to deal with that stuff. I would love to find a nice oasis where I can play golf, go to the pool, play cards, take classes and go out for dinner/drinks/entertainment. I want to see smiles, not masks. Friends, not bullies.

I believe that the experts have stated that Covid-19 is far less deadly than originally feared. Why on earth are we still treating it like the plague? I guess I'm just over this whole thing and have been for awhile. It's really disappointing to see these restrictions coming back. I hate it.

Restrictions are coming back because there are too many people not adhering to the guidelines that have been set to handle this pandemic. Too many people are refusing to wear masks in public when social distancing is not guaranteed. If everyone took responsibility to slow the transmission of this virus, America would not be in the dire situation it is in now. Following the guidelines!

[Eg_cruz]

Looks like phase 2 just got shot in the butt. Fl has just order all bars to stop selling alcohol. That was short lived.

And I'm pointing a finger @ a local watering hole, places like City Fire LSL, shot themselves in both feet.

Had to blow it for $$
Went by City Fire last night and they still had people standing in groups

[Eg_cruz]

Yes, Florida closed all bars. Liquor can be sold still at restaurants. Broward County never opened their bars yet, so no big deal. I doubt the world will end if you cant go to a bar.
Yes the person who doesn’t own or work at one. Most bars are owned by a small business owner, call them up and tell them it no big deal......selfish minded people

[greenflash245]

they will be next

[Dana1963]

Consumption of alcohol is acceptable with meal but bars section is closed.

[billethkid]

Big or small business if the bar, the ones that are part of a restaurant, are not enforcing the social distancing guideline then they live with the results of their non-compliance.

Could not be any more simple.

[Luisa]

I was very concerned about the lack of social distancing at this very place last Tuesday. If we want to keep things open, and get our economy going, we need to act responsibly.

[Villages Kahuna]

They weren’t alone. About ten days ago the bar a Cane Garden was two deep all the way around, not a mask in sight. Back to the old normal. Villagers are too old to be immortal.

[ColdNoMore]

Truth or Fuction is an excellent site. Glad you caught the misinformation cut and paste quote.

The same cut/paste ended up on numerous threads, but even showing that it's a lie most likely won't change the opinion of those... who want to believe it. :ohdear:


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[Villages Kahuna]

A less self-serving look at the statistics show that it’s pretty deadly to seniors, and it’s a horrible death. Those that do survive are almost certain to have debilitating permanent damage to lungs or other vital organs.

What’s the average age in The Villages?

[Carole2200]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

Thanks for your service. How did you do it? I could not stand being under water.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Consumption of alcohol is acceptable with meal but bars section is closed.

No, the bar section IN a restaurant is still open.

The only thing being shut down are stand-alone bars. For instance: the tiki huts at the town squares. They don't serve food there at all. They are bars.

As far as I know, the Villages doesn't have any actual bars on any of its properties, so we aren't affected by this change.

If you leave the Villages and go to some areas outside, you'll see some bars. Those are closed.

[fastboat]

By staying home and being safe, you are in control of your retirement & your health

Staying home is a pussycat when compared to being under water on a ballistic missile submarine from 74 -86 days, how do I know I did it !!

You weren't on a SUBMARINE, you were on an underwater Hotel. How do I know, I did it.

[dwhite5773]

I'm heading heading for my "man-cave", I mean "person-cave" to see if I can get a table for 1. Please, don't worry about me, I will/do wear a mask and I have 86 proof oral rinse.
Better make that oral rinse 90+ proof! 😎

[crash]

Looks like phase 2 just got shot in the butt. Fl has just order all bars to stop selling alcohol. That was short lived.

And I'm pointing a finger @ a local watering hole, places like City Fire LSL, shot themselves in both feet.

Had to blow it for $$

You do realize that City Fire is a restaurant and not a bar and will still be selling liquor. If 50% of their income is from food they are good to go.

Not sure of any bars in the Villages except maybe World of Beer.

[brunogal]

I'm a snowbird who arrived back in Ohio on 6/6. Ohio was pretty buttoned up until that very week. Places opened allowing 50% capacity. Policy was/is to sit down, order a drink and DON'T GET UP AND WALK AROUND W/IT. (Ya, I caught hell.) Problem is in the summertime boardwalk situation (here on Lake Erie) filled w/vacationers, nary a mask in sight. Our numbers are rising here, too, but nothing like Florida. I am a bit surprised Gov. DeWine here hasn't insisted on masking as he has been out in front of the crisis in the past.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Bars are not allowed to serve. Some are saying places like City Fire is a restaurant not a bar. Have you seen the "outside restaurant" of City Fire. Wall to wall.people around the "not a bar" area. They are not eating they are drinking alcohol. Hmmm I must be mistaken thinking it's not a bar.

[shut the front door]

Bars are not allowed to serve. Some are saying places like City Fire is a restaurant not a bar. Have you seen the "outside restaurant" of City Fire. Wall to wall.people around the "not a bar" area. They are not eating they are drinking alcohol. Hmmm I must be mistaken thinking it's not a bar.

It's been answered multiple times in this thread. The definition explained ad nauseum. Does anyone actually read a thread before hitting the reply button?

[waverly51]

The order was for bars/lounges. City Fire is a restaurant with a bar. There is a difference.

[dewilson58]

No, the bar section IN a restaurant is still open.

The only thing being shut down are stand-alone bars. For instance: the tiki huts at the town squares. They don't serve food there at all. They are bars.

As far as I know, the Villages doesn't have any actual bars on any of its properties, so we aren't affected by this change.

If you leave the Villages and go to some areas outside, you'll see some bars. Those are closed.


FMK Restaurant Group owner Fred Karimipour said his eateries will continue to serve alcohol to customers who are sitting at tables but will suspend bar top seating and live entertainment. “We have removed bar service in accordance of the governor’s order,” said Karimipour, who owns Bluefin Grill & Bar in Brownwood, The Chop House at Lake Sumter Landing, Belle Glade Country Club, Bonifay Country Club, Evans Prairie Country Club, Orange Blossom Hills Country Club and Scooples Ice Cream Parlor.


Gina Buell, who along with her husband, Mike, owns the City Fire restaurants in Lake Sumter Landing and Brownwood, said she was doing the same thing. She said her customers still will be able to order drinks when seated at tables inside and outside the eateries but not at the bar area.

[tophcfa]

I assume the the walk up kiosk bars in the town squares would fall under the closure guidelines. That very well might derail the planned re-opening of the town squares.

[billethkid]

People may call it what ever they "think" it is or should be.

However the restaurants that do have an outside bar....that is exactly what it is.... a BAR!!!!

Just because it is part of a restaurant does not allow seating shoulder to shoulder X 3 deep....in violation of the requirement for social distancing.

The owners/operators should be held accountable for contributing to the potential spreading of the virus.

No comment on those being inconsiderate, sitting shoulder to shoulder X 3 deep at the bar (I am trying to remain as polite as possible)

[retiredguy123]

If the governor is going to issue an executive order, I think he should have someone write it clearly so that all people with normal intelligence can understand what it means.

[44Apple]

Big rush to open by at least three Governors have gotten them and us deep into this mess. Now, the backpeddling is on.

[billethkid]

If the governor is going to issue an executive order, I think he should have someone write it clearly so that all people with normal intelligence can understand what it means.

Would that not allow far too many to not comprehend?
:duck:

[DonH57]

I'm sure there were many bars in Florida that never made their customers practice social distancing and never controlled seating arrangements forcing the closure. I've passed by a couple of these very same bars in the villages. They just had to go and shoot themselves in the foot and ruin it for the places that would have opened otherwise. I was surprised it took this long.

[cassjax2]

To clarify.....if a restaurant or bar’s revenue is more than 50% from the sale of alcohol then they are shut down.

[retiredguy123]

To clarify.....if a restaurant or bar’s revenue is more than 50% from the sale of alcohol then they are shut down.
Not to be nit picky, but, as I read the executive order, if I own a restaurant with more than 50 percent revenue from alcohol, I don't need to shut down. I can just reduce the amount of alcohol or the price, so that my alcohol sales are below 50 percent. Wouldn't that be better than shutting down my entire business?

[Byte1]

It would be funny if not so darn ridiculous. Alcohol kills the virus, therefore drink lots of it to sanitize your insides, out. Just plain common sense....:wine::beer3:

Everyone knows that the spike is attributed to all the crowding during the protests. But, it is not PC to say it in public, because it might offend someone and the politicians will lose their votes.

[crydzanich]

I was at a restaurant last night that had the bar area roped off. Still serving alcohol at tables. The waiters had masks and gloves. Every other booth was roped off and tables were at least 6 ft apart.

[jimjamuser]

Staying trapped inside of my house, looking at the 4 walls closing in on me is not the way that I want to spend my hard earned retirement. We'll be confined to assisted living/nursing homes before we know it, but I'm certainly not going to check myself in there prematurely.

Hoping/praying this Covid-19 stuff ends soon. The sooner the better.
There are 4 walls in a coffin also, last I checked.

[JoMar]

I suspect that someone will call the department of health one of these days and let them make the decision if it is a bar or not. I don't drink so not an issue for me but I know some that consider selling alcohol an "essential" business.

[jimjamuser]

Thank you for your service. But the difference is that you signed up to be on that ballistic sub and I am also assuming that you were paid to be there and have received retirement and other benefits for your service. I am also assuming that you committed yourself to doing that tough job in order to protect the freedom and security of our country. If you want to get a drink at a bar, you should be able to get a danged drink at the bar.

This business of forcing our businesses to close down shop and making law abiding citizens feel like heartless criminals for going to the gym or getting a haircut is ridiculous. All of this while rioters and looters run the street creating unchecked death and destruction. Honestly, I don't understand what is happening in this country, I just know that I do not have the energy nor the desire to deal with that stuff. I would love to find a nice oasis where I can play golf, go to the pool, play cards, take classes and go out for dinner/drinks/entertainment. I want to see smiles, not masks. Friends, not bullies.

I believe that the experts have stated that Covid-19 is far less deadly than originally feared. Why on earth are we still treating it like the plague? I guess I'm just over this whole thing and have been for awhile. It's really disappointing to see these restrictions coming back. I hate it.
We are treating it like a Plague because it is one. S.Korea is back playing baseball. Things are MORE normal in New Zealand and Europe because THEY have good health care and reacted better. Perhaps "looking for blame in all the wrong places"?

[jimjamuser]

Restrictions are coming back because there are too many people not adhering to the guidelines that have been set to handle this pandemic. Too many people are refusing to wear masks in public when social distancing is not guaranteed. If everyone took responsibility to slow the transmission of this virus, America would not be in the dire situation it is in now. Following the guidelines!
Leadership, leadership.

[jimjamuser]

Yes the person who doesn’t own or work at one. Most bars are owned by a small business owner, call them up and tell them it no big deal......selfish minded people
Any business needs a rainy day fund. In this case a Plague day fund!

[jimjamuser]

They weren’t alone. About ten days ago the bar a Cane Garden was two deep all the way around, not a mask in sight. Back to the old normal. Villagers are too old to be immortal.
They can be immoral.

[Scorpyo]

So what does that mean? You buy a drink "to go" and stand outside on the sidewalk drinking it?

What about bars with outdoor seating. Are the customers allowed to sit outside? I haven't been to a bar in what seems like forever so I really don't know how they are enforcing this or why they are singling out bars for these types of restrictions. Not that I want to see these restrictions applied elsewhere.....
Stand outside and drink it? How preposterous, learn some etiquette. Get in your car, turn on some good music, get on 75, do about 90 and enjoy your cocktail. Everybody knows that. :1rotfl:

[sjgreene5]

Really you need to look at statistics . There have only been 7 cases in the villages during the latest out break one from a golf club worker, on at Rohan and non that I have read were from a bar. However if you would read 67% of the latest Florida cases were people under 30. So read more and criticize less

[Scorpyo]

I'm heading heading for my "man-cave", I mean "person-cave" to see if I can get a table for 1. Please, don't worry about me, I will/do wear a mask and I have 86 proof oral rinse.
86 proof? You're obviously not Irish. How about 86 ABV. That'll definitely kill any germs! :1rotfl:

[ffresh]

Yes, Florida closed all bars. Liquor can be sold still at restaurants. Broward County never opened their bars yet, so no big deal. I doubt the world will end if you cant go to a bar.

Every post of yours that I have read are laced with common sense. However, in this case, I'm guessing that you're forgetting It might mean the end for the small business owner trying to put bread on the table for his family … after paying his landlord each month for the privilege to stay closed. How is anyone in authority (ignoring Constitutional implications) able to pick and choose which businesses are permitted to make a living; social distancing, or whatever else is required, should be universal for all, without favoritism shown! In my opinion, this edict, ultimately, is ripe for a class action suit and I hope it happens. :shocked:

Fred

[retiredguy123]

There are 4 walls in a coffin also, last I checked.
Actually, that is a common misconception. A coffin has 6 walls, because it is wider at the top and tapered toward the feet. But, a casket is rectangular and has 4 walls.

[ffresh]

Any business needs a rainy day fund. In this case a Plague day fund!

Cute :ohdear:

Fred

[Barborv]

Thank you Chatbrat for your service.

When you abuse you lose! People are just not following the guidelines and this is why we are seeing a resurgence. Also, How the heck were people allowed to protest in the streets or go to George Floyds funeral, when you weren't even allowed to go to a family or friends funeral is beyond me.
Sick of all of this!

[Davelinda91]

It’s all up to you. I just Drove by City Fire, bar stools are against the outside railing not up at the bar but all seats are taken. No social distancing going on at LSL!

[PennBF]

There is a simple rule for those wondering out without a mask and circulating in groups that don't honor the 6 foot rule. Is what you doing worth risking your life which is exactly what it is doing. Our rule is "what you are or intending to do worth risking your life?" Play with words all you want or continue to kid yourself but as they say,, THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE!!:popcorn:

[roscoguy]

It would be funny if not so darn ridiculous. Alcohol kills the virus, therefore drink lots of it to sanitize your insides, out. Just plain common sense....:wine::beer3:Almost as good as bleach. (j/k) :22yikes: :icon_wink:

Everyone knows that the spike is attributed to all the crowding during the protests. But, it is not PC to say it in public, because it might offend someone and the politicians will lose their votes.This must be a joke too, 'cause it's just as funny! :1rotfl:

[TexaninVA]

There are no bars in The Villages. City Fire is not a bar, it is a restaurant.

In this instance, that's a distinction without a difference


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