Recall 1935: Herman Goring

[diamond2005]

As Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded.
This allowed the Brown Shirts to rob, murder, and pillage, to intimidate the populace, just before the election. Does any of this sound familiar?
Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist.......

[John41]

disarming the population is the first step of a tyrant. see mexico for how well gun control works.

[Number 10 GI]

disarming the population is the first step of a tyrant. see mexico for how well gun control works.

Their gun control works great, if you are rich or in a position of power you can have a gun. Back in the late 80's there was a report on murders in Mexico. There were more knife homicides in Mexico than there were homicides in the U.S. by all means, clubs, guns, knives, fists, etc. Gun control works real well there. If a gun isn't available something will be used to do the deed.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Florida ranks 19 th in gun deaths per 100, 000 people Easy to get guns.The lowest 6 states start withConnecticut , New Jersey , New York,Rhode Island ,Massachusetts and the bottom Hawaii , murders per 100, very hard to get guns

[Madelaine Amee]

Florida ranks 19 th in gun deaths per 100, 000 people Easy to get guns.The lowest 6 states start withConnecticut , New Jersey , New York,Rhode Island ,Massachusetts and the bottom Hawaii , murders per 100, very hard to get guns

Oh now, Charlie, do not start introducing FACTS into this tirade.:boom:

[hifred123]

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[hifred123]

"Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist......."

"The blacks are coming, the backs are coming!"

Thank you modern day racist Paul Revere!

[Hayek1957]

Thanks for the reminder Diamond 2005.

Historical events and the reasons behind them is frequently ignored in our educational system.

[Dahabs]

disarming the population is the first step of a tyrant. see mexico for how well gun control works.

Some interesting stats for your perusal:
There’s a new global ranking of gun deaths. Here’s where the U.S. stands | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands)

Gun Violence Causes More Deaths In U.S. Than In Many Other Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence)

Notice the countries not on the list; UK, Australia, Canada, European countries? Not sure that Mexico is a great comparison given its history of government corruption by drug cartels.

[Joanne19335]

As Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded.
This allowed the Brown Shirts to rob, murder, and pillage, to intimidate the populace, just before the election. Does any of this sound familiar?
Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist.......

How can you possibly compare Herrmann Gohering to the BLM protests? Gohering was instrumental in helping Adolph Hitler slaughter six million people From 1939 to 1945. I see no comparison here.

[coalminer]

We need background checks and ban high capacity firearms.

[cherylncliff]

disarming the population is the first step of a tyrant. see mexico for how well gun control works.

Or see Australia, Great Britain, New Orleans and much of Europe for how well it works. Note that the current government already turned their "private" troops loose on American citizens in Washington DC.

[meboyle]

You are correct. When someone tells you they are going to burn down America, believe them. The hutzpa to say it tells us it’s not going away anytime soon. This is what happens when history is not taught..I had a bumper sticker years ago: “If you think education is expensive, try ignorance”

[Kwenner]

Easy, it’s a prelude of what is to come.

[diamond2005]

How can you possibly compare Herrmann Gohering to the BLM protests? Gohering was instrumental in helping Adolph Hitler slaughter six million people From 1939 to 1945. I see no comparison here.

Said nothing about a comparison. The INTENT stupid, the INTENT. No guns, no police, and it becomes open season on all.

[mydavid]

Some interesting stats for your perusal:
There’s a new global ranking of gun deaths. Here’s where the U.S. stands | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands)

Gun Violence Causes More Deaths In U.S. Than In Many Other Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence)

Notice the countries not on the list; UK, Australia, Canada, European countries? Not sure that Mexico is a great comparison given its history of government corruption by drug cartels.
I see we are link together with a bunch of third world countries. Also I wonder how many of these countries have had seen their children killed at their desks and don nothing about it.

[Joe C.]

Some interesting stats for your perusal:
There’s a new global ranking of gun deaths. Here’s where the U.S. stands | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands)

Gun Violence Causes More Deaths In U.S. Than In Many Other Countries : Goats and Soda : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence)

Notice the countries not on the list; UK, Australia, Canada, European countries? Not sure that Mexico is a great comparison given its history of government corruption by drug cartels.

OK ... let's start with the FACT that it's a report from NPR. We all know how PRO GUN that organization is. Oh, and by the way, that report didn't include Iraq, or Afghanistan, did it?

[bmit16]

How can you possibly compare Herrmann Gohering to the BLM protests? Gohering was instrumental in helping Adolph Hitler slaughter six million people From 1939 to 1945. I see no comparison here.

Goering started somewhere!

[LG999]

Maybe there would be less if more people were able to have them

[anothersteve]

If the riots and....um.........."protest's" didn't get some to thinking about personal protection, I don't think anything will.
I'm also learning in my old age never to argue with an anti gunner.

Steve

[donfey]

As Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded.
This allowed the Brown Shirts to rob, murder, and pillage, to intimidate the populace, just before the election. Does any of this sound familiar?
Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist.......

Too bad for America that the HISTORY referred to by Diamond isn't taught to our kids any more. Also, a read of 1984 and Animal Farm wouldn't hurt them either. In fact, the TEACHERS SHOULD BE FORCED to read them.

[WindyCityzen]

Shameful. Would you, for one day, like to be treated like a black person in this country? Do you have any understanding of their lives?

[eyc234]

Shameful. Would you, for one day, like to be treated like a black person in this country? Do you have any understanding of their lives?

:a040: Can I be Tiger Woods, my slice has come back and I need a new boat!!! How about Shaq, he has a great family and I would luv to be able to dunk a basketball once and give Charles Barkley a load of c__p! It is just a joke calm down!!!

[Villages Kahuna]

I can’t grasp your attempted analogy. The Nazi brown shirts were an arm of Hitler’s government. BLM is a social uprising. Tell me again how the two compare?

[fdpaq0580]

Shameful. Would you, for one day, like to be treated like a black person in this country? Do you have any understanding of their lives?

While I suspect that we may actually be on the same side of the issue, I feel the need to respond to your question about "treated like a black person" by asking, do I get to choose which black person that might be? There are thousands of black, hispanic, Asian and others in a better economic situation than I. They eat fine food, live in fine homes have top notch educations and get preferential treatment that I, or most living here, could only dream of. That said, since there is no way in reality to actually "walk in another's shoes", most of us could at least try to imagine what it might be like. I, like a host of others, have lived, worked, served, mixed with people of all races, backgrounds and cultures. All can point to injustice, to their group as having been mistreated at some time(s) in history. Still, in the world, not just here, today there is injustice and inequality, prejudice and bias of all kinds.
When I look at all of human history I believe I see things slowly evolving into a better world. The road to MUTUAL respect and acceptance is long, and we have come a long way. But there is still a long way to go. Can we walk that road peacefully together, or do we have to continually bicker and squabble and destroy our chances of moving on? That choice is in your mind, your heart, and in your willingness to leave the past where it belongs, in the history books, and join us in peace and brotherhood and into a better future for all.
(I mean this for everyone.) It is up to you.
Stay safe. Stay well. Peace!

[pcovella]

As Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded.
This allowed the Brown Shirts to rob, murder, and pillage, to intimidate the populace, just before the election. Does any of this sound familiar?
Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist.......

I don't remember this from history. Are you sure this is correct? Or are you getting your history from facebook?

Stop spreading fake news!

[fdpaq0580]

I can’t grasp your attempted analogy. The Nazi brown shirts were an arm of Hitler’s government. BLM is a social uprising. Tell me again how the two compare?

Anyone can compare anything to any other thing. Apple's to oranges, trucks to draft horses, bananas to alligators (they are both long and kinda pointy at both ends). The comparison should be relevant to the point trying to be made.
I believe the point trying to be made was, both groups seem to be trying to accomplish the same kind of results by using similar tactics. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before and, as a married , I know I'll be wrong in the future.
Stay safe. Stay well. Peace.

[sloanst]

One response: μολὼν λαβέ. Come and take.

[blueash]

I don't remember this from history. Are you sure this is correct? Or are you getting your history from facebook?

Stop spreading fake news!

You are, IMO, being much too subtle. I would reply to the statement that "Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded" with evidence. As to those who insist that teachers don't know history, apparently some here don't either.

Did Hitler Defund and Eliminate Police Departments? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-defund-police/)

Pay attention to this interesting paragraph from the Holocaust Museum

"The Nazis came to power in Germany in January 1933 and established a dictatorship, ending the 12-year German experiment with democracy, the Weimar Republic. Yet the police, who had been charged with defending the Weimar Republic, were integrated relatively easily into the Nazi regime. There was neither a wholesale purge nor a wholesale resignation of policemen.

Most policemen in 1933 were not Nazis, though they were overwhelmingly conservative. They thought of themselves as neutral professionals and as impartial servants of the law. Their personal politics were supposed to be irrelevant to their duties. Yet members of the police proved willing to support a Nazi government that destroyed democracy in Germany. The police in particular and conservatives in general supported the Nazis in 1933. Conservatives came to view a Nazi dictatorship as a solution not just to the weaknesses of the Weimar Republic but to a whole series of professional difficulties peculiar to the police."

Hitler did not defund the police (https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9038360005)

CLAIM: Hitler also defunded the police and installed his own enforcers.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Hitler did not defund the police.

THE FACTS: As protesters around the nation call for defunding the police in response to police brutality, social media users are sharing posts saying that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler also wanted to defund the police.

Historians say the posts, which have garnered thousands of likes online, are false. The Nazis expanded funding for police, the number officers and their powers,

Other than dog whistle postings on Facebook and other social media I doubt the OP can find any evidence for his outrageous attempt to link efforts to improve policing in the US, and BLM, to Nazis.

[transplanted]

Florida ranks 19 th in gun deaths per 100, 000 people Easy to get guns.The lowest 6 states start withConnecticut , New Jersey , New York,Rhode Island ,Massachusetts and the bottom Hawaii , murders per 100, very hard to get guns

I think we all know how the quote about statistics goes...

What exactly is the concern about having a gun in this discussion? Given that you've honed in on "deaths" I'm going to guess it's about murders. Personally, if you're gonna murder me, it matters not to me what form of weapon you use - but maybe that's just me. That being said, let's look at 'the rest of the story' and not use statistics such that they only support one's personal bias against one style of weapon used in deaths.

The lowest six states for murders are:
Vermont
South Dakota
Wyoming
Rhode Island -- only one of the 6 you listed
North Dakota
New Hampshire

Thus, following the premise of this discussion, 5 of the 6 lowest states for murder rates are states that are "Easy to get guns."
As Madelaine Amee said :boom:

source: Dept of Justice; FBI 2018 Crime in the United States

[Doc Akron]

Fear. Plain and simple. No one wants what you have.

[Aloha1]

I can’t grasp your attempted analogy. The Nazi brown shirts were an arm of Hitler’s government. BLM is a social uprising. Tell me again how the two compare?

Both were/are SOCIALIST MOVEMENTS with other goals like domination. And before you start in on "the Germans were fascists", the English derivative of the party name was, "The National SOCIALIST Workers Party".

[Aloha1]

You are, IMO, being much too subtle. I would reply to the statement that "Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded" with evidence. As to those who insist that teachers don't know history, apparently some here don't either.

Did Hitler Defund and Eliminate Police Departments? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hitler-defund-police/)

Pay attention to this interesting paragraph from the Holocaust Museum

"The Nazis came to power in Germany in January 1933 and established a dictatorship, ending the 12-year German experiment with democracy, the Weimar Republic. Yet the police, who had been charged with defending the Weimar Republic, were integrated relatively easily into the Nazi regime. There was neither a wholesale purge nor a wholesale resignation of policemen.

Most policemen in 1933 were not Nazis, though they were overwhelmingly conservative. They thought of themselves as neutral professionals and as impartial servants of the law. Their personal politics were supposed to be irrelevant to their duties. Yet members of the police proved willing to support a Nazi government that destroyed democracy in Germany. The police in particular and conservatives in general supported the Nazis in 1933. Conservatives came to view a Nazi dictatorship as a solution not just to the weaknesses of the Weimar Republic but to a whole series of professional difficulties peculiar to the police."

Hitler did not defund the police (https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9038360005)



Other than dog whistle postings on Facebook and other social media I doubt the OP can find any evidence for his outrageous attempt to link efforts to improve policing in the US, and BLM, to Nazis.

Who/what is your source?? If indeed Hitler COOPTED the Police, he would indeed have increased their funding as an enforcement arm of his regime. Which of course he did.

[petiteone]

Read your history. The National Socialist Party was a far right political movement and as far away from Socialism as a political philosophy can get. Nazis and White Nationalism are right wing, Socialism is left wing. Some people shouldn't have cut High School. History. It doesn't matter what's in a name, it matters what that name stands for.

[Aloha1]

Read your history. The National Socialist Party was a far right political movement and as far away from Socialism as a political philosophy can get. Nazis and White Nationalism are right wing, Socialism is left wing. Some people shouldn't have cut High School. History. It doesn't matter what's in a name, it matters what that name stands for.

I graduated with a degree in History. So, a couple teaching points: Where did the term "fascism" come from? Answer, from the "Fascist Party of Italy, ie; Mussolini's Party. What does it mean? Mussolini wanted to restore the glory that was once Rome. In ancient Rome, the symbol of power was a bundle of rods, the "fascie" with an ax head head embedded within. It symbolized the power of the Roman Republic. Since Mussolini's party was elected to power years before Hitler was appointed German Chancellor in 1932, the term "fascist" came to be an expression of a totalitarian government. Of course the adoring media of the time failed to see the same faults in Soviet Russia. So- called "right" or "left" wing movements are peas in a pod when it comes to suppression and desire for total control over others. Not sure what sources you are reading but I suggest a broader curricula.

[Dgodin]

Misinformation. Hitler only confiscated guns from Jews and "socially unreliable" people (dissidents). Nazism wasn't a hostile takeover. Many people were quite willing to live under fascism, just like today.

[blueash]

Who/what is your source?? If indeed Hitler COOPTED the Police, he would indeed have increased their funding as an enforcement arm of his regime. Which of course he did.

In a post if you see a word or phrase in an alternate color you can click on it to be taken to the source. Please go back to the post you believe did not have sources and click on the embedded links.

[xNYer]

As Minister of the Interior, under Adolf Hitler, Goring ordered all guns confiscated, and all police disbanded.
This allowed the Brown Shirts to rob, murder, and pillage, to intimidate the populace, just before the election. Does any of this sound familiar?
Folks if you do not see what the intent of BLM is,
then you better see an ophthalmologist.......

Few German citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms in Germany in the 1930s. The Weimar Republic had strict gun control laws. When the Third Reich gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing firearm ownership for Nazi party members and the military.The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws systematically disarmed "unreliable" persons, especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for so-called "ordinary" German citizens.

[fastboat]

From my cold dead hand.!!!

[LoisR]

Apparently so is grammar.