Governor shuts down bars

[BS Beef]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

[John41]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

[billethkid]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

Now if we could only get some attention to the hundreds of thousands of protestors and beach goer violators!!!

[Dcurrie911]

Yes, I find it very concerning. I also found it darn near criminal to shut down small businesses like clothing stores, sporting goods stores, electronic stores because they were non-essential while allowing Walmart to reap the benefit by selling anything they wanted. I can’t imagine how many small businesses have and will go bankrupt because they could not quickly adopt to mail order and WEB sites. Yes, Amazon had already gone a long way in displacing many small businesses, but that was through consumer choice, not government mandate.

While the government has the legal right to shut down businesses for the sake of public health I believe that they made grievous mistakes in what they did and how they did it and I sent serval letters to the Governor stating as much.

[billethkid]

My experience with writing to Desantis is no response. Not even an acknowledgement from his office recognizing a constituent contact.

I have written representatives most of my life time. His void of total lack of response is a first!

[tophcfa]

I assume that would include the walk up bars/kiosks in the town squares if they still plan to start the town square entertainment in early July?

[JoMar]

Yes, I find it very concerning. I also found it darn near criminal to shut down small businesses like clothing stores, sporting goods stores, electronic stores because they were non-essential while allowing Walmart to reap the benefit by selling anything they wanted. I can’t imagine how many small businesses have and will go bankrupt because they could not quickly adopt to mail order and WEB sites. Yes, Amazon had already gone a long way in displacing many small businesses, but that was through consumer choice, not government mandate.



While the government has the legal right to shut down businesses for the sake of public health I believe that they made grievous mistakes in what they did and how they did it and I sent serval letters to the Governor stating as much.

Writing letters to most of government is a waste of time because they recognize it is the writer's opinion only and seen through the writers prism. If they respond it is along the lines of "thank you for your interest". Have yet to ever get a response with a position unless it is part of their campaign. We don't have the data they have so we usually are disregarded. In this case, they needed to made a blanket decision because they can't evaluate every business. Kinda like the rules made at our places of employment, that government (owners, boards of directors etc) made global decisions, they didn't go cube to cube, office to office to see how each would be impacted. Unusual times call for unusual and sometimes drastic actions. They won't please everyone

[Gpsma]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.

[dewilson58]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.


:bigbow:

[billethkid]

No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.

The point far too many choose to miss or ignore.....

YOURS WILL!!!!! That's the way it works!!! You are protecting others from yourself....thus helping reduce the spread.

One more time....the issue of staying home is not coincident with being afraid!!! It is the smart thing to do for some and should not be labeled "afraid".

[BS Beef]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

Making masks mandatory and closing businesses are 2 very different things. I am far more fearful of a government that can wield that kind of arbitrary power than I am of COVID. If I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do. I can’t avoid an all powerful government.

[Hplaw]

I see the blame being on bars and punishing businesses by shutting them down "again". I still see no media coverage on the spike being related to all the demonstrators!!!!!!! The demonstrations started a couple of weeks ago, the period for incubating the virus (depending on your source). Now the spikes and punishment goes to business owners and people wanting to enjoy life. Please!!!!! I guess it is not politically correct to point to the demonstrators in the hundreds of thousands, shoulder to shoulder, shouting, many not wearing masks. I support the right to demonstrate peacefully. But we all have been locked down, obeying the orders and moving toward a slow opening. Demonstrations..........but no blame there. Truly disgusting.

[eyc234]

Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.

[lesser160@aol.com]

What ever happened to consideration for others and not spreading the virus?

[BiPartisan]

Here is some food for thought. How many of the protesters, at least the destructive ones, will actually get tested? Recall that New York and the experts both estimated that 20+ percent that contracted the virus, had no symptoms (asymptomatic). NY representatives stated that after conducting their antibody study, that 1 in 5 New Yorkers that had the antibody test showed they had been exposed to the virus at some time. At that time only those with symptoms could get tested for the virus, that has now changed. So is there really a "spike" or are we just now uncovering more cases due to voluntary testing?
It is still a good case for social distancing and wearing a mask.

[Rwirish]

Protect the public first, no concerns at all.

[Dahabs]

Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.

Totally agree. A comparison of America's curve to Europe's tells you everything you need to know about America's approach to date.

[Joanne19335]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

Do you not find a bit disconcerting that people are dying everyday? Closing the bars is just the beginning unless we all get our priorities straight.

[stadry]

people are dying everyday & that will continue until we all are dead - kung flu or not,,, fortunately there are subs coming along to replace us
just found 'the house' yesterday after 4d search,,, noticed many staffers wear masks (publix, ricardo's, svce stations) but not so many customers,,, personally i'll wear 1 if situation recommends
funny thing to me - yesterday saw lady in next lane alone in car wearing a mask,,, i would say an 'older woman' but she's probably bit younger than me ;-) what's SHE afraid of ???

[coalminer]

Older people in TV arent responsible to follow the deed restrictions they agreed to. You really cant expect working lol people to be responsible to conduct unnecessary business safely. They wont even require or wear masks

[Dana1963]

Business agree with their health safety and services licensing. It’s quite obvious that most business does not have the will or ability to control themselves during are opening When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

[greenflash245]

when the. virus keeps spiking, they shut it down

[matandch]

Yet I never hear any complaints about the admonition: no shirt, no shoes, no service. Apparently the sight of hairy backs and smelly feet is more important than stopping the the spread of a potentially deadly disease.

[DecaturFargo]

Because the cities and especially in TV have totally ignorant, selfish people who aren't wearing masks or social distancing. Drove into parking lit last night at Havana. Not a parking spot open. If that's 50% seating inside, I'll give you my first born. The health department needs to make a visit.

[Dana1963]

We bring our own to the squares so we could care less it the kiosks open.I assume that would include the walk up bars/kiosks in the town squares if they still plan to start the town square entertainment in early July?

[Girlcopper]

Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.
Well said. If people had followed the original suggestions of social distancing then the businesses wouldnt have been shut down. Pretty sad that the govt has to step in and mandate things because some people are either too ignorant or entitled to care about others

[Jcr500b]

Wow! Doesn’t anyone think that these bars have become COVID hotspots because of people not following CDC recommendations and therefore a public health hazard warranting their shutdown? The people that have been infected in these venues will now bring home that gift to families, children, parents and grandparents even if THEY chose to stay home. It a shame the government had to step in and protect those patrons and cripple those businesses. Those that got infected Just go on to prove the saying “common sense isn’t so common”.

[Travelhunter]

people are dying everyday & that will continue until we all are dead - kung flu or not,,, fortunately there are subs coming along to replace us
just found 'the house' yesterday after 4d search,,, noticed many staffers wear masks (publix, ricardo's, svce stations) but not so many customers,,, personally i'll wear 1 if situation recommends
funny thing to me - yesterday saw lady in next lane alone in car wearing a mask,,, i would say an 'older woman' but she's probably bit younger than me ;-) what's SHE afraid of ???e

Probably getting ready to park the car and do some shopping

[cunningham]

You'll hear from him when reelection comes along and he is looking for money.

[ldivens]

I have also written many letters to the Governor as well about the same topic. I also have written about the protesters causing higher numbers and wondered why that behavior is allowed to put so many people at risk and goes on and on. That is the plan you know?

[Singerlady]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense.

[riley2011]

Wal-Mart was not allowed to sell anything other than groceries in many places for a long time.

[riley2011]

Costco, Walmart, Target barred from selling nonessential items in parts of US - Business Insider (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi5qoeAuqTqAhXOUt8KHXvgDfsQFjAJegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fcostco-walmart-target-stop-selling-non-essential-items-select-states-2020-4&usg=AOvVaw0Kwuv2W09zCEQ_De7kMHPP)

[Singerlady]

Making masks mandatory and closing businesses are 2 very different things. I am far more fearful of a government that can wield that kind of arbitrary power than I am of COVID. If I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do. I can’t avoid an all powerful government.

They’re the same thing....doing what is necessary to stem the spread of the virus. Closing businesses is trying to make people stay home. Wearing masks is IF you HAVE to go out....protect others. The governor won’t make wearing masks mandatory. Sad. And, some STILL do not know WHAT to do, so someone has to hold their hand and tell them!
And, if you want to see what wearing masks and closing businesses has done, look to Europe. They’ve been successful with this!

[Pennyt]

If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

[Akentut]

Could be because those people lost the use of one of their senses... like the COMMON one. And now we need someone that still has it to make the decision for them.

[Michael Charles]

If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

Exactly!:bigbow:

[oneclickplus]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

The 2nd amendment exists to protect the rest of our rights under the constitution. I think nothing short of a major rebellion by business owners and customers (both armed) will stop this government over reach. If you think bars are dangerous, stay home. Think beach is contaminates - stay home. Leave everyone else alone. Why does the government care? Has to be tax dollars or something other than they actually care - we know they don't.

[HelenLCSW]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

You jumped to a conclusion —not shutting down bars —shutting down the bar where people are sitting close together, socializing and not wearing masks. The serving of alcohol in restaurants where people are social distancing has not been stopped.

[diva1]

My experience with writing to Desantis is no response. Not even an acknowledgement from his office recognizing a constituent contact.

I have written representatives most of my life time. His void of total lack of response is a first!

Remember that next time you vote!

[oneclickplus]

While the government has the legal right to shut down businesses for the sake of public health I believe that they made grievous mistakes in what they did and how they did it and I sent serval letters to the Governor stating as much.

No, they do not have the legal right to do any such thing. Here's a chunk of the 14th amendment for you to chew on:

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property ...

Liberty and Property encompasses running your business to pay your bills and feed your family. So, you can't talk to me about some law that the governor's have ... no such law can exist or be enforced. If you cite a law, then go back and read the 14th amendment. A virus or health crisis does NOT trump the constitution. Nothing trumps the constitution. It is the law of the land.

I'm not wearing a mask. I'm not social distancing. People uneducated in the laws and rights of this land can just go pound sand.

[Luvs21putt]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

If there truly was a public health emergency..... As far as I know, hospitals are not seeing a big problem due to Covid. THAT would be the emergency.
Tens of thousands die from the flu every year. In fact, 80,000 died not so long ago. Did we hear a peep about that ? Do we shut down everything for that ? What is the cutoff ? And did you know how many deaths are counted where COVID was NOT the cause of death but just they tested positive ? I am trying to find out if flu is counted the same way, it I’m guessing not.

[JulieER]

Walmart had the essential food and drugs. Same with Target.

[Luvs21putt]

If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

Because the increase in numbers is mostly from an increase in testing and many are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms brining the mortality rate down to 0.36 and falling.

[eyc234]

The 2nd amendment exists to protect the rest of our rights under the constitution. I think nothing short of a major rebellion by business owners and customers (both armed) will stop this government over reach. If you think bars are dangerous, stay home. Think beach is contaminates - stay home. Leave everyone else alone. Why does the government care? Has to be tax dollars or something other than they actually care - we know they don't.

Again ALL ABOUT ME. How about doing something for the good of the society that we all benefit from. Unless there is a law passed to take away your supposed "Right" the government has taken nothing away from anyone. Where does it say in the Constitution that an individuals right includes the endangering of other individuals right to safety in public? This is not about taking anything away from citizens permanently it is about human beings working together to save other human beings lives.

[JulieER]

Sorry, it’s not all the protesters. The states that are surging are the ones that recently opened. They did not practice social distancing once the restaurants and bars opened, nor wore masks.

[JulieER]

There is a spike, a surge. Hospitalizations are going up. That’s your barometer.

[JulieER]

Right, when these states reopened, they didn’t feel the need for social distancing or masks.

[Rosie1950]

Well said. If people had followed the original suggestions of social distancing then the businesses wouldnt have been shut down. Pretty sad that the govt has to step in and mandate things because some people are either too ignorant or entitled to care about others

Could that be why you can’t drive drunk or speed through school zones or PASS a stopped school bus with their stop sign out?
There are all kind of laws that remove you PERSONAL RIGHTS.
Here’s an idea, get a straw and suck it up.

[toeser]

Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense.

Who steps in when the government has lost all common sense?

[boobear51751]

We live in the "Me syndrome" so there is no personal responsibility and therefore I am all for closing all restaurants, beaches and bars again. Until the government gets it head out of the sand and mandates everyone wear a mask, then we must shut down. How can you eat with a mask on? You can't so shut the places down.

[JulieER]

That 80,000 was for a YEAR. We are at 128,000+ deaths in a little over 3 months. No cure. No vaccine. No simple flu shot nor Tamiflu. This is deadly. Highly contagious. It also can do lasting damage to certain organs of your body that can last for months or the rest of your life.

[Guitarman1951]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now
Since cases of Covid have sky rocketed. It's only bars at this point but if people are too stupid or selfish or hung up on their "rights", it will lead to many more types of businesses being shut down. It is simply common sense.

[bmit16]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

No! The worst offenders were still in massive crowds in the streets protesting. Then going to the beach or bars, but since the cdc is not interested in accurately reporting contact tracing by including protesting people, it appears the beaches and bars are responsible. Why waste tax payer money doing contact tracing if the information you are using is false. This proves nothing and does not tell us where the virus is actually the problem.

[lakegage]

People NOT displaying personal responsibility and the concern for other people's health by the idiots who don't wear masks when out in public make it necessary for the government to tell us to be grown ups.

[theruizs]

No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.

After all this and people still don’t get that the masks are primarily to protect others, not yourself. If the mask-naysayers would have been less me-first and wore masks and followed social distancing rules, this would not happening. The bars shutting down and the looming re-lockdown is the fault of the non-compliant naysayers, plain and simple.

[PJackpot]

It's not ok. And, I'd like to see the science that suggests these increases were due to people congregating in bars. Why the hell are they picking on bars? I've had enough of the BS.

[kbogli]

If you have been to any resturants that also include a seperate bar people are packed in shoulder to shoulder. there is no social distancing at all. We went to Sumter Landing 2 weeks ago and walked around our observations were that most eating/drinking outside area was exceding the capacity alot. Again we visited on Friday to go pick up at Panara Bread at 10am the whole area was bumper to bumper cars, carts and people. We did not even get out of the car. Only SOME wearing masks

Also alot of the new positive tests are 20-30 age group- again bars, beaches and an attitude of ME :(

Be prepared for more to shut down or scale back with the rapid rise of cases in Florida, we are not doing a good job ourselves.

[skip0358]

Guess people haven't been going to the Supermarkets. I'd say it's 50/50 on the masks. Stop at the Deli counter no social distancing, or look corn on the cop on sale lets get some and stand there and husk it with the 3 other people there. Go into the pasta isle after you follow the arrows oh look my favorite Pasta is on sale I'll stand here with the 4 other people and get my pasta. The meat counter isle oh I'll take the piece 3 other people just threw back. Paper goods isle is the safest in the store because it's empty period. Now to check out the poor clerk who stands there all day probably touching a thousand items a day has to stand there and take your money IF you don't use your credit card then it's off to the lotto ticket line and this person has to stand there and touch everyone's money. Yep it's the bars fault for sure!

[Joe C.]

Yeah...look at the poor clerk who has to touch everything.
Probably the healthiest person there. Exposed to everybody and everything. Must be some Covid germs there somewhere.
How many clerks have died from Covid? I'd bet few to none. Probably because by their exposure, they have ANTIBODIES!

[ribil]

Personal Responsibility has succumbed to the ME Attitude! YOU’RE health and safety is dependent on SOMEONE ELSE’S “Personal Responsibility”. A vicious cycle doomed by the ME Attitude. If everyone doesn’t comply, then social distancing and wearing masks become useless. Better to just stay in your bunker and wait until everyone outside dies.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

No slimgs and arrows from me. If you are afraid of getting infected stay at home. Dont think your mask will protect you.

In this time, you can order anything to your house. So afraid, stay home and order what u need.im not afraid when I wear my seatbelt , I just know it will help me if I’m in accident, I’m not afraid of smoking , I just know it will help my health , I’m not afraid when I wear a mask , I just know it will help keep someone safe , if I’m infected , all worthwhile government actions

[ffresh]

Making masks mandatory and closing businesses are 2 very different things. I am far more fearful of a government that can wield that kind of arbitrary power than I am of COVID. If I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do. I can’t avoid an all powerful government.

Thank you for your rational voice in a wilderness of sanity. I've seen VERY FEW posts broaching that aspect (liberty / overreach of government) on either side of the argument. Few people seem to operate on principle anymore but rather on self-interest, it seems - if it doesn't affect them, who cares. But, if it does, a barrage of incessant posts on the same subjects gushes forth. Yesterday, I wrote a response to the post below

Yes, Florida closed all bars. Liquor can be sold still at restaurants. Broward County never opened their bars yet, so no big deal. I doubt the world will end if you cant go to a bar.

... I'm guessing that you're forgetting It might mean the end for the small business owner trying to put bread on the table for his family … after paying his landlord each month for the privilege to stay closed. How is anyone in authority (ignoring Constitutional implications) able to pick and choose which businesses are permitted to make a living; social distancing, or whatever else is required, should be universal for all, without favoritism shown! In my opinion, this edict, ultimately, is ripe for a class action suit and I hope it happens.

Fred :spoken:

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Singerlady
Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense

Who steps in when the government has lost all common sense?

That's assuming that the government has common sense :icon_wink:

Fred

[aallbrand]

when folks say stay at home if your afraid that's just another way of saying they do not take the virus seriously . What a shame folks don't listen to science. The best minds in the world all agree that masks make a big difference . It is the lack of all people making the sacrifice for the betterment of humanity that will be the downfall of are battle against this pandemic .

[donfey]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

I thought alcohol killed the China bug. Oh, well, it's just another opportunity for "gubment" to condition us - getting us used to be (even more) controlled. Sad, indeed.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Singerlady
Government has to step in when the public loses all common sense



That's assuming that the government has common sense :icon_wink:

Fred

Your right the govt knows how to spend money not so much saving.

Wonder how many of the dead people who received their checks recently have returned them? Amazing how the govt sent checks in the billions. One could think that they would have an idea who among us has passed on.

But than again lots of dead people seem to be able to continue to vote.

[OhioBuckeye]

OH, I won't touch this comment, it'll just start an arguement, to many Pro & Con comments. Have a great Covid19 day! :bigbow:

[The Mountaineer]

The government puts up traffic signals for public safety. It has school zone speed limits for the children's safety. During a pandemic it is the government's duty to try to keep its citizens as safe as possible. It may be an inconvenience but it is a necessity. Ask the families of the 120,000 Americans who have died from the coronavirus is they want the government to stay out of this.

[MJY10101]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

BSbeef:

If the people of this country had any regard for personal responsibility, the governmEnt wouldn’t have had to step in. Also, too many people still think this virus is a joke! IT IS NOT

[Sherry8bal]

AMEN to that!!! They are the biggest part of the many problems for this country.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

I have also written many letters to the Governor as well about the same topic. I also have written about the protesters causing higher numbers and wondered why that behavior is allowed to put so many people at risk and goes on and on. That is the plan you know?
why have I not seen anyone who is complaining about spike from protesters also complaining about Large political rallies and mega church gatherings that are taking place indoors , Oh I know why because they have a constitutional right , PEACEFUL PROTESTERS Not so much

[Mumbles]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

Come on, you know very well that personal responsibility has been on the skids for a few decades. Why expect it now?
Chip

[kenoc7]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now
Public health and the common good gives governments that RESPONSIBILITY.

[Mumbles]

I thought alcohol killed the China bug. Oh, well, it's just another opportunity for "gubment" to condition us - getting us used to be (even more) controlled. Sad, indeed.

May seem normal and common to use put-downs in front of the Chinese Americans by the tens of thousands who are citizens of the USA.

However, it doesn't fly with me. Please call this virus by its SCIENTIFIC name, a name that does not carry racial slurs or jokes with it: Covid-19.
Chip

[Curtisbwp]

This my friend is SOCIAL ENGINEERING. It is all a test. Before 911 no one would allow another person to pat them down and the gov changed our behavior to think it is normal. Read 'agenda 21' or the Georga guidestones. With the snap of the fingers people will blindly follow.


When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now

[Villages Kahuna]

Government has to act when the residents become a danger to themselves.

[Rcolby7]

It’s not about you. It’s for safety of others. Do you only care about yourself?

[jcm5517@comcast.net]

I am an almost ex-Villager. When the college cart rallies, 4th of July parades, Christmas festivities etc. took place it was fun. GOOD SPIRITED fun. Today's Villagers, putt-putting around like bullying tykes in red, white and blue rompers, snapped up by an adult and sent out to "Play" loudly and incoherently....Whose oversized Big Wheels rumble through the street, many with mean spirited signs and slogans.....What happened to "Oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies" ; "Oh Say, Can You See?"; Does anyone even know the words to "God Bless America"? Times have changed in The Villages during the last dozen or so years and I'm getting ready to go back to my REAL Friendliest Home Town. On that note, it's a long way from Withlacooche!

[transplanted]

I assume that would include the walk up bars/kiosks in the town squares if they still plan to start the town square entertainment in early July?

That would be my expectation, based on the way it was worded. It seems it's basically you have to sit at a table to have a drink.

[transplanted]

I am an almost ex-Villager. When the college cart rallies, 4th of July parades, Christmas festivities etc. took place it was fun. GOOD SPIRITED fun. Today's Villagers, putt-putting around like bullying tykes in red, white and blue rompers, snapped up by an adult and sent out to "Play" loudly and incoherently....Whose oversized Big Wheels rumble through the street, many with mean spirited signs and slogans.....What happened to "Oh Beautiful for Spacious Skies" ; "Oh Say, Can You See?"; Does anyone even know the words to "God Bless America"? Times have changed in The Villages during the last dozen or so years and I'm getting ready to go back to my REAL Friendliest Home Town. On that note, it's a long way from Withlacooche!

Yes, there are a few idjits out there, but if you don't give them the attention they are seeking, they lose interest; except for one.

[LoisR]

Just sounds like you enjoy drinking. Welcome to The Villages. Personal pleasure before social responsibility

[Fisherman]

the lack of personal responsibility (wearing masks and social distancing)
increased covid19 cases and required shutting down the worst offenders.

The way I see it... businesses are in a tough position. If I owned one now, and used to, I would have required masks if you want to enter my establishment. I would make sure that social distancing was provided. I would do everything possible to prove to my customers and employees that I have done everything possible to eliminate the risk. I may lose some, but, I would be able to stay open and most likely survive. Once it goes public that one of your customers or employees are tested positive.... you might as well have stayed closed. Sad, but you can not leave it up to the public to follow guidelines, so you have to make your own.

[sloanst]

Yeah, but protesting, rioting and tearing down statues, that's all good. Yeah, right.

[sloanst]

What type of business did you own?

[JoMar]

The good news is that the overwhelming number of people here are friendly and are looking out for each other. This site, as well as the not to be mentioned other site, seem to find joy in identifying the not so nice things and people. The good news in that is both sites represent a small portion of the total population. We have friends that are here, did the lifestyle visit for a week then rented a house for another 30 days. They have met one grumpy old man. They also travel all over this land and across the pond and made it clear this place has the friendliest people. Their philosophy is that if people annoy you disassociate yourself and here, there are plenty of nice people to connect to. We have been here six years and still find it the friendliest hometown.

[Carlsondm]

A few stupids and non team players ruined it for the rest of us.
Florida is peaking so more drastic measures are needed to protect the public at large.

[Aloha1]

May seem normal and common to use put-downs in front of the Chinese Americans by the tens of thousands who are citizens of the USA.

However, it doesn't fly with me. Please call this virus by its SCIENTIFIC name, a name that does not carry racial slurs or jokes with it: Covid-19.
Chip

Covid19 is NOT it's scientific name.That is the disease you get from the virus. The correct scientific name is SARS-Cov-2, or as it is commonly called by it's place of origin, the Wuhan virus. Just like Zika, Ebola, etc. These are FACTS, not "put-downs".

[petiteone]

When did it become OK for the government to shut down businesses? No one finds this even a little disconcerting? What happened to personal responsibility?

:duck: I’ll get out of the way of the slings and arrows now
Get real. It's a public health issue. Of course it's OK to close down businesses to stop the spread. Look how well NY did after they shut down everything. During the 40-50s in OHIO they quarantined our home if someone had measles or scarlet fever. No one could come in, no one could leave.

[Darnoc15]

Shut down because most people are as dumb as a box of rocks and have an ALL ABOUT ME ATTITUDE. America has become a country of people that only think of themselves and do not worry about people on the other side of whatever their belief happens to be.
Thanks

[Darnoc15]

Because the increase in numbers is mostly from an increase in testing and many are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms brining the mortality rate down to 0.36 and falling.


NY are testing more than ever.

[Darnoc15]

Who steps in when the government has lost all common sense?

What about voters?

[linedancingdottie]

I heard from one of the entertainers that the early July opening at the squares is not happening. Numbers of Covid cases keep going up even in the Villages so no wonder.

[coffeebean]

May seem normal and common to use put-downs in front of the Chinese Americans by the tens of thousands who are citizens of the USA.

However, it doesn't fly with me. Please call this virus by its SCIENTIFIC name, a name that does not carry racial slurs or jokes with it: Covid-19.
Chip

Sorry. Don't agree. SARS Cov-2 originated in Wuhan, China. I will continue to call it the Wuhan virus. Thank you.

[BS Beef]

The good news is that the overwhelming number of people here are friendly and are looking out for each other. This site, as well as the not to be mentioned other site, seem to find joy in identifying the not so nice things and people. The good news in that is both sites represent a small portion of the total population. We have friends that are here, did the lifestyle visit for a week then rented a house for another 30 days. They have met one grumpy old man. They also travel all over this land and across the pond and made it clear this place has the friendliest people. Their philosophy is that if people annoy you disassociate yourself and here, there are plenty of nice people to connect to. We have been here six years and still find it the friendliest hometown.

GREAT POST!!! One of the best I’ve seen in a good long while. Thank you
:mademyday: :BigApplause:

[sallybowron]

" if I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do."
You speak as if the wearing of masks etc, WILL stop you from catching the virus. It is not 100% sure you won't get. It just improves the chance of you not getting it.:pray:

[ColdNoMore]

If the spread of the virus was mostly from protestors then why is New York not having a huge increase like Florida and Texas??

An excellent and very germane...question and observation/point. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

im not afraid when I wear my seatbelt , I just know it will help me if I’m in accident, I’m not afraid of smoking , I just know it will help my health , I’m not afraid when I wear a mask , I just know it will help keep someone safe , if I’m infected , all worthwhile government actions

Just like laws prohibiting driving under the influence. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

why have I not seen anyone who is complaining about spike from protesters also complaining about Large political rallies and mega church gatherings that are taking place indoors , Oh I know why because they have a constitutional right , PEACEFUL PROTESTERS Not so much

Excellent and dead on...observation and statement. :thumbup:

[Aloha1]

Remember our old friend, Common Sense?
Common Sense, says gathering in large groups, marching shoulder to shoulder while also screaming out slogans creates an environment conducive to spreading the virus. The mantra is not just masks but social distancing also.

Common Sense, says the more you test the higher the likelihood you will find more virus positives.

Common Sense, says if you keep teen and 20 somethings cooped up for 3 months then open the bars, you should expect more cases.

Common Sense, says ALL of these are contributing to the spike in cases. So let's stop arguing over one or the other and use our Common Sense.

There is a spike. There are multiple reasons. It doesn't change the fact that we ( those of us in the vulnerable age group) need to keep doing what we're doing. It is obviously working since the script has flipped and the majority of these new positive cases are below age 35.

[davidkath]

Correct UA man😀

[davem4616]

every darn day during cocktail hour I have to keep telling my wife...."six feet, if you are not wearing a mask, six feet!"
She's given me 'the salute' more than a couple of times...but we're still okay and playing it safe

ya have to laugh at all the craziness...decide how you want to play it safe...and don't let anyone bully you or put you on
a guilt trip....heck, we didn't know any of these people 4 years ago anyway, so what do I care what they say/think.

I want to be around to spend our money

[JoMar]

" if I want/need to avoid the the virus I know what to do."
You speak as if the wearing of masks etc, WILL stop you from catching the virus. It is not 100% sure you won't get. It just improves the chance of you not getting it.:pray:

And maybe just as important, not passing it on to others. Now if others would wear one to protect me that would be helpful