Orange County California now wants to change the name of the John Wayne airport

[davem4616]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye

[KittyKat]

I know, it's ridiculous. He made a racist statement back when he was about 30.

[benj]

I didn’t know he had slaves.

[Klatu]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984

[coffeebean]

Wake me up when this nightmare is over.

[manaboutown]

To the locals it will always be John Wayne. It is the only airport of which I am aware that has three names, Santa Ana, Orange County and John Wayne. I love the John Wayne statue there.

Actually California does not want to change the name. A radical faction wants to change the name and has wanted to do so for a while. They are trying to take advantage of the current craziness and appeasement climate. They want to stick it to decent society while they can.

[Stu from NYC]

getting worse and worse when will it end

[Velvet]

Changing history, wiping out anything that doesn’t fit the current political agenda, is exactly how Communism works. I can’t believe it came to the US. I wonder if their method of enforcement is next?

[Chi-Town]

Well, he did have a dim view of Native Americans in The Searchers and definitely anti Mexican in The Alamo.

[Two Bills]

I think the name Orange County should be changed as well.
To all those people who use fake tan, and lay under sun lamps, it can be very offensive and demeaning, to see/hear the word Orange!
OPM! :icon_wink:

[GOLFER54]

I guess BLACK COUNTY is up for grabs now.

[gurueast]

Apparently John Wayne said he didn’t feel guilty about slavery; he made disparaging remarks about Native Americans and he also made homophobic remarks. Trying to establish a new US where discrimination has no place.

[Two Bills]

Brings back memories of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
Starting again from 'Year Zero!'

[ScottYvonne]

Do you feel guilty about slavery? I don’t.

[camaguey48]

Changing history, wiping out anything that doesn’t fit the current political agenda, is exactly how Communism works. I can’t believe it came to the US. I wonder if their method of enforcement is next?
Our foreign enemies will conquer us without firing a shot. They gleefully watch America destroy itself from within.

[WesMan]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye
You are totally correct!!!!!!!

[WesMan]

Do you feel guilty about slavery? I don’t.
Agree!!!!

[Nannyof3]

The comments in question come from a 1971 interview with Playboy Magazine in which Wayne stated that he believed in white supremacy and did not “feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago, these people were slaves,” as reported by the Los Angeles Times.

“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility,” Wayne had said. “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”

Wayne also used a homophobic slur in reference to the movie “Midnight Cowboy” and made derogatory statements about Native Americans.

“I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. … [O]ur so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival,” Wayne said. “There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”8

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye[/QUOTE]

[ColdNoMore]

Instead of just emotional outbursts, a link to the facts to put everything in context and to see who/why (and the actual numbers) of those who are calling for this...would be much appreciated. :ho:

[bluecenturian]

When have we reached the absurd and ridiculous.

Yale University was named for Elihu Yale. You will be quite surprised to find out about his character but yet the elitist have a university named after him.

Harvard And Princeton have a shocking history of its University presidents. Michelle Obama and Sonia Sotomeyer are alumni, are they in favor slavery for going to an institution who’s presidents were slave owners.

Columbia University is named for Christopher Columbus, we all know how “horrible” a person he was.

Cornell University was named for Ezra Cornell, a Quaker. We are told they are evil.

Dartmouth named for William Legge, 2nd earl of Dartmouth. He promoted the career of a notorious slave trader into the Anglican ministry.

Brown University named for Nicholas Brown, Jr. who was an adamant defender of slavery.

Harvard acknowledges slave connections | Harvard Magazine (https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/04/harvard-acknowledges-slave-connections)

https://slavery.princeton.edu/

Slavery and the Brown family: an alternative history (https://www.browndailyherald.com/2006/04/27/slavery-and-the-brown-family-an-alternative-history-2/)

I’m waiting for them to protest and remove the names.

[Travelingal702]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye
Totally agree with you. From the sublime to the ridiculous. Let's face it, and be honest: We've ALL made a racist statement, or two, at one time or another in our lives..........even the blacks. So, are all to be black balled? Opps, excuse me. I think I just offended someone.

[Pedrocarrasco01@yahoo.com]

Our foreign enemies will conquer us without firing a shot. They gleefully watch America destroy itself from within.

I have seen this before in Cuba 1960 Through 1962 when Castro declared itself Communist, attacking the history, taking down statues and rewriting history, Fomenting terror and establishing block committees to report on their neighbors Cubans at that time said “it won’t happen here” well it did and those that did not escaped suffered tremendously with shortages of goods, ration of food, Communism is harsh and a totalitarian regime. I hope not, but I am ready is it does!!!!!!!!

[pineweasel]

Read the book White Guilt, says it all.

[Bay Kid]

It is ALL about anything to do with WHITE PEOPLE, period.

[sdeikenberry]

Things change...get over it. Cape Canaveral was once changed to Cape Kennedy in honor of his push for space exploration, then changed back to Cape Canaveral. The reason I heard was because locals didn't like Kennedy, a Democrat, and so it was changed back. Jeesh...does it really matter if John Wayne airport changes its name?

[Scorpyo]

Do you feel guilty about slavery? I don’t.
Ah white guilt. Isn’t it wonderful. I don’t know why they stop there. I’m sure many white Neanderthals attacked and killed other Neanderthals. Feel guilty? Ah the white Romans tortured and killed in the coliseum. If you want to feel guilty about things you didn’t do I’m sure you can find many things to choose from. Do you think the murderers and rapists of today feel guilty? So why would anyone feel guilty over something they didn’t do? I’m sure some will say “you’re missing the point”.

[mamamia54]

Things change...get over it. Cape Canaveral was once changed to Cape Kennedy in honor of his push for space exploration, then changed back to Cape Canaveral. The reason I heard was because locals didn't like Kennedy, a Democrat, and so it was changed back. Jeesh...does it really matter if John Wayne airport changes its name?

Does it really matter if they change their name, probably not. People will still fly in and out of it. I think you are missing the point here. How many things and names are we going to change to make everyone happy. I am not so young anymore and in my lifetime I don’t know anyone who has actually been a slave. How far back are we going to go to rewrite history. The beginning of time! Taking down statues and changing names of everything under the sun is helping no one. If anything, it’s creating a divide. America must be the joke of all those countries who would love to see us fail. I can just hear them now sitting around their Presidential meeting laughing at us saying do you really need to worry about America, not anymore. They are destroying themselves from within and need no help from outside sources. God bless America!

[Denvercane]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye

This is an over reaction, pandering decision by idiots. It's being based on an interview in 1971 with Playboy magizine. I challenge someone to say "in the past 50 years" I have never said or done something that doesn't meet today's "standards". I can't change the past, I can control today and hopefully help the future

[oneclickplus]

It is ALL about anything to do with WHITE PEOPLE, period.

Agreed. Not much news about the signs posted reading "Kill all white people".

I notice that all those who were NOT SLAVES want reparations from people who were NOT SLAVE OWNERS. Yet, they want to remain in this country !! How about we give all those who want unjust reparations from those who did nothing to them a FREE RIDE back to the dark continent and call it even.

[waiting now as my account is suspended or deleted] who cares.

[kkeennyy]

A Men !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mydavid]

Our foreign enemies will conquer us without firing a shot. They gleefully watch America destroy itself from within.

This is what happens when their is no moderation, they go to far, both sides do this, theirs is no common ground. The problem this time is Russia maybe the big winner.

[toeser]

If we are serious about this, it's time to change the names of New York and New York City. Both were named after the Duke of York, one of the worst slave traders in history. He was responsible for a high percentage of the slaves brought to America. One cannot be too woke. Let's get this done.

[billethkid]

It is nothing more than a test to see how far the minority and special interest groups can push with no resistance.


The minority groups continue to gain with the support of politicians and the amplification provided by the media.

They are willing to pay the price of crippling America......as long as the silent majority vision goes no further than their own back yard.

[stevemac]

Great quote!

[Jaydee7897]

Are the Politicians scared that the protesters will burn and loot their homes ? Where is the Police ? What will the protesters want next ?


Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye

[stan the man]

Tear down the pyramids (built by slaves) Tear down the new homes in The Villages ( built by Mexican slaves )

[Bikeracer2009]

I have to say I'm a little worried about the rapid spreading of the virus so close to home.

As far as the name changes going on around America, it doesn't seem to bother me at all.

I'm not sure why it doesn't bother me but maybe at some point it will? I guess I'll need to see harm it causes before I get upset.

[Chiboy]

Bravo 👏.. if you destroy your past identity you start to change the character of your country.. then government controls your life ..

[rwittig1]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye
We are no longer a country ruled by law, order and common sense. We are a country ruled by the whims and political agendas of activists of every category. The tail is wagging the dog big time.

[vonbork]

If you have a southern accent you should voluntarily submit to speech reprogramming before you are forced to do so and the lines are long. After all, a southern accent reminds some of the South, which reminds them of the Confederacy, which reminds them of slavery, which indicates that you are a racist, and causes a micro-aggression. :-)

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Well I guess it's time to burn our Eric Clapton records once and for all.

Eric Clapton’s DIsgusting Racist Tirade

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Dangerous Minds (https://dangerousminds.net/comments/eric_claptons_disgusting_racist_tirade)

[bocaabend]

Well said

[RcCalais]

Once history is re-written and evidence of slavery is removed, what will the gripe be then? I guess the divide in getting there will remain.

[Stu from NYC]

If we are serious about this, it's time to change the names of New York and New York City. Both were named after the Duke of York, one of the worst slave traders in history. He was responsible for a high percentage of the slaves brought to America. One cannot be too woke. Let's get this done.

Perhaps we should change New York to BLM. We cannot have too much idiocy now.

[Brynnie]

It will end when decent, rational people rise up and make it end! Sitting around wringing our hands and lamenting the problem isn’t going to do it.


getting worse and worse when will it end

[fdpaq0580]

Do you feel guilty about slavery? I don’t.

Guilt? No. Sadness, yes, for anyone who has suffered any kind of harm, injustice, illness, etc.
Right now I'm feeling a lot of sadness. Sadness for our country and all that is going on.

[Dust Bunny]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye

The Duke and all of his fans are offended big time! What's next, the removal of Mount Rushmore?

[OhioBuckeye]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good byei
Davem4616, this is just a BLM thing to tell the legal system who's boss or who they think is. They've got the legal system so scared that they're getting there way with their demands. Also it a strategy for to get one of the presidential candidates elected. Just my opinion! I agree with you totally, if what you say is true, I haven't heard this one yet!

[Stu from NYC]

It will end when decent, rational people rise up and make it end! Sitting around wringing our hands and lamenting the problem isn’t going to do it.

Hopefully in November we will be reminding the local and state and federal politicians who they actually work for send them home by the thousands.

[MandoMan]

To the locals it will always be John Wayne. It is the only airport of which I am aware that has three names, Santa Ana, Orange County and John Wayne. I love the John Wayne statue there.

Actually California does not want to change the name. A radical faction wants to change the name and has wanted to do so for a while. They are trying to take advantage of the current craziness and appeasement climate. They want to stick it to decent society while they can.

It’s like the small group of academics and activists who decided that Native Americans was better than American Indians. Then the Smithsonian Institute did a survey of actual American Indians on reservations and discovered that they preferred to be called American Indians. Or the small number of academics and activists who find Latinos and Latinas sexist, so want everyone to be caLed LatinX. Really? Well, actually, nearly all Latins can’t stand LatinX, but why should that matter to the politically correct? After all, they are CORRECT! So we should all do what they say, right?

Or those want to call all Mexican-Americans “Chicanos.” Only a small percentage like that. (Those who prefer it are usually highly political and anti-assimilationist.)

I don’t mind calling people what they like to be called, but I’m opposed to being shamed into doing it or forced into doing it. The NYTimes yesterday had an article yesterday on whether black should be capitalized while white is not. The idea is that Black stands for activism and rebellion and trying to get power and pride and fighting back, but black does not. But what if we all just want to get along with each other? I believe in assimilation and integration. The better cooked the stew, the better the flavor mix. I’m opposed to separatism.

A Debate Over Identity and Race Asks, Are African-Americans ‘Black’ or ‘black’? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/black-african-american-style-debate.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200627&instance_id=19814&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=32012&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

[LG999]

Slavery has been present nearly as long as civilization. Many groups, perhaps most, were enslaved throughout history. It was customary to raid, plunder, and enslave. This country was among the first to realize it is wrong and to abolish it. Since then the US has tried hard to give extra advantages to those who suffered through employment, school admissions, housing, financial programs, and continues to looks for more avenues.
So, all of this violence and agitation is about something else.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Let’s just set race aside for awhile. This was an organization that Wayne was about the 4th president of they were all about finding communists under every rug. They worked closely with the head commie hunter McCarthy . My father was brought before this committee . He had been a union organizer all over USA In the 1930’s and fought in the Spanish Civil War where he faced German troops years before Americans did. WhenWW2 started he probably wouldn’t have been drafted because of age but he went anyway , and when he parachuted in on D Day he was 37 . McCarthy and guys like Wayne had my father branded a communist and thrown out of a National Union Job for his union activities and fighting in Spain he was not bitter for himself he still had an iron workers union card but for all the people who were destroyed by McCarthy and men like Wayne who backed him , did my father and I still watch his movies yes , like he said there were worse offenders but I couldn’t care less about his name coming down , he went along with destroying many other names . While reading many post here I can’t help thinking that quite a lot of people here probably still think Joe McCarthy is a great guy . I read somewhere where he still has a statue in town . Hmmmmm maybe we should send someone out there hmmmm

[manaboutown]

It’s like the small group of academics and activists who decided that Native Americans was better than American Indians. Then the Smithsonian Institute did a survey of actual American Indians on reservations and discovered that they preferred to be called American Indians. Or the small number of academics and activists who find Latinos and Latinas sexist, so want everyone to be caLed LatinX. Really? Well, actually, nearly all Latins can’t stand LatinX, but why should that matter to the politically correct? After all, they are CORRECT! So we should all do what they say, right?

Or those want to call all Mexican-Americans “Chicanos.” Only a small percentage like that. (Those who prefer it are usually highly political and anti-assimilationist.)

I don’t mind calling people what they like to be called, but I’m opposed to being shamed into doing it or forced into doing it. The NYTimes yesterday had an article yesterday on whether black should be capitalized while white is not. The idea is that Black stands for activism and rebellion and trying to get power and pride and fighting back, but black does not. But what if we all just want to get along with each other? I believe in assimilation and integration. The better cooked the stew, the better the flavor mix. I’m opposed to separatism.

A Debate Over Identity and Race Asks, Are African-Americans ‘Black’ or ‘black’? - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/black-african-american-style-debate.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20200627&instance_id=19814&nl=todaysheadlines&regi_id=58623110&segment_id=32012&user_id=025ec4a03ccfc15efcd68d00b480f13b)

I grew up in New Mexico and until the virus all but shut down travel visited often over the years as I maintain business interests there. Every American Indian I have ever met or known there identifies himself/herself as an Indian, be they Navajo, Pueblo or Apache.

Also I was married to a hispanic lady from NM for 26 years. She has six siblings. No one in her family ever refers to themselves as Latino or Latina, ever. A DNA test showed she is about 28% American Indian which is probably par for the course over there as the Spanish started settling the area in 1598 or thereabouts.

Recently some rioters tried to tear down a statue of Onate in Albuquerque and were stopped but the authorities did afterwards remove it. He and his outfit treated the Indians terribly and enslaved some.

The area is tricultural: Indian, Hispanic and Anglo. While there are no doubt underlying tensions over many matters both past and present most folks get along most of the time and intermarriage is common and not even noteworthy.

Interestingly enough, John Wayne was attracted to hispanic women. His widow, Pilar, now 91 years of age, is Peruvian and well loved in Newport Beach.

[Mumbles]

Agreed. Not much news about the signs posted reading "Kill all white people".

I notice that all those who were NOT SLAVES want reparations from people who were NOT SLAVE OWNERS. Yet, they want to remain in this country !! HHow about we give all those who want unjust reparations from those who did nothing to them a FREE RIDE back to the dark continent and call it even.

When I had entered a ministerial college, the LA riots were in full swing.
I came home for summer and watched TV with my family. My dad, who always said he prayed daily to God to be given a gift for understanding others, suddenly blurted out, "Send them all back [to Africa]."

Nobody else in the family ever openly stated thoughts like that. Anyway, the number of Blacks that we knew were an extreme minority in NH.

My dad had feet of clay, and I was shocked beyond belief and felt betrayed by him. I thought everybody in the family felt similarly about colored people, friendly, welcoming, something to offer as citizens.

None of Dad's kids ever grew into the hatred part for any other people of color, to this very day. And, Boy, am I glad of that.
Chip

[Mumbles]

The Duke and all of his fans are offended big time! What's next, the removal of Mount Rushmore?

No, don't rush there merely to see a free advertisement for the government with beautiful fireworks bursting in the dry-weed background of it all.

I'd laugh if it weren't for the poverty of thought the government had to allow this to happen. It's like tearing the monument down by sullying it with politics.
Chip

[Mumbles]

Are the Politicians scared that the protesters will burn and loot their homes ? Where is the Police ? What will the protesters want next ?

Bet some of those same protesters ALSO protested the incarceration of Mexican children against their will as the government called it a way to reduce migration.

People who protest have more gumption than the rest of us who give lip service only and yell at the TV for irregularities in governance. AT LEAST SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING THAT OTHERS ARE NOT WILLING OR ABLE TO.
Chip

[regas56]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye Yesterday in St Louis they had a big protest about renaming the city because apparently France's King Louis the 9th MIGHT have been racist.. Though he was the only King of France to be Canonized by the Catholic Church it really doesn't matter.. Our future generation will look back on this time in history and think to themselves man they HAD to be drunk cause no way they could have acted like that or done those things and been sober...Sigh!!!

[Sherry8bal]

Yeah, they should name it "We are the stupidest state in the U.S." airport!! That way, at least it fits California!

[oldtimes]

I grew up in New Mexico and until the virus all but shut down travel visited often over the years as I maintain business interests there. Every American Indian I have ever met or known there identifies himself/herself as an Indian, be they Navajo, Pueblo or Apache.

Also I was married to a hispanic lady from NM for 26 years. She has six siblings. No one in her family ever refers to themselves as Latino or Latina, ever. A DNA test showed she is about 28% American Indian which is probably par for the course over there as the Spanish started settling the area in 1598 or thereabouts.

Recently some rioters tried to tear down a statue of Onate in Albuquerque and were stopped but the authorities did afterwards remove it. He and his outfit treated the Indians terribly and enslaved some.

The area is tricultural: Indian, Hispanic and Anglo. While there is no doubt underlying tensions over many matters both past and present most folks get along most of the time and intermarriage is common and not even noteworthy.

Interestingly enough, John Wayne was attracted to hispanic women. His widow, Pilar, now 91 years of age, is Peruvian and well loved in Newport Beach.

I don't believe that much of this is even being driven by the minorities/blacks. I think all of this is just white bleeding heart liberals who want to look cool and empathetic. I read that the black women and their families who actually got to portray Aunt Jemima products were incensed at the rebranding.

[Stu from NYC]

I don't believe that much of this is even being driven by the minorities/blacks. I think all of this is just white bleeding heart liberals who want to look cool and empathetic. I read that the black women and their families who actually got to portray Aunt Jemima products were incensed at the rebranding.

Thee are quite a few people/organizations to blame but this has gone crazy or will that offend someone?

[Villages Kahuna]

The silliness of all this statue removals and name changing is getting in the way of the real message. Unfortunately the USA has had racism imbedded in our culture for hundreds of years. Even if we begin now, it will take generations to mute those habits and feelings. Changing statues, names, logos, etc. won’t help al that much.

[transplanted]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye

If only (drop off the edge). The end for me was when the log flume ride at Disney was deemed inappropriate. Seriously?
And how about Princeton? Several presidents of the U.S. including Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have been repeatedly referenced as continuing the tradition of Wilsonianism in America. Guess anything related to any of them needs to go too.
Costa Rica might be lookin' better and better

[transplanted]

The silliness of all this statue removals and name changing is getting in the way of the real message. Unfortunately the USA has had racism imbedded in our culture for hundreds of years. Even if we begin now, it will take generations to mute those habits and feelings. Changing statues, names, logos, etc. won’t help al that much.

This is not the way to come to resolution. All it's doing is creating hate and discontent where there was none, and exacerbating the situation where it already existed (in my humble opinion). It's very sad to me, because people are going to be more 'broad brushed' than ever - in all directions. You can't change the past, you can only move forward in honest efforts.

[noslices1]

Maybe they should rename all the airports. Just give them a number. “I’m flying out of Airport # 327 and landing at Airport # 723.” Then they can start on the State names and then the city names in the same way. Las Vegas Has dibs on City #69.

[fdpaq0580]

This is not the way to come to resolution. All it's doing is creating hate and discontent where there was none, and exacerbating the situation where it already existed (in my humble opinion). It's very sad to me, because people are going to be more 'broad brushed' than ever - in all directions. You can't change the past, you can only move forward in honest efforts.

Sad to me, too. Revisionism creates division and we don't need that right now.

[Stu from NYC]

If we want to improve over the past how does it help to remove all mentions of it?

We should study the past and understand what earlier times were like and how we are better as a nation and how we can continuously improve.

[sloanst]

A system can not be changed until all vestiges of the previous system are completely erased. This started as protests against the police killing of George Floyd, but the current focus is to destroy our economic and governmental systems and anything that is representative of those systems. BLM is a Marxist organization. I'm not saying that, the co-founder (Patrisse Khan-Cullors) of that organization says that.

[blueash]

I know, it's ridiculous. He made a racist statement back when he was about 30.

Funny, when I was about 30 I knew what kind of language was racist and was able to control my mouth. And he knew his words were being recorded and to be published which maybe might have made a person more reticent about expressing beliefs that in 1971 were already certain to be seen as racist. This is not a recollection of a chat he privately had with a couple of friends.

Facts are always fun. I have no idea what racist words Mr. Wayne may have uttered in his 30's but your posting of his age was a bit off. He was born in 1909 thus was in his early 60's when those words were spoken.

[NYMAN]

Well, he did have a dim view of Native Americans in The Searchers and definitely anti Mexican in The Alamo.

you can't deny history just because you didn't like the outcome, right or wrong IT HAPPENED

[Stu from NYC]

you can't deny history just because you didn't like the outcome, right or wrong IT HAPPENED

Wow who knew that John Wayne really was at the Alamo.:)

His movies did a lot of good for us during the war and he should be honored for that.

[manaboutown]

Well, he did have a dim view of Native Americans in The Searchers and definitely anti Mexican in The Alamo.

He was playing roles in films. His first wife, Josephine Saenz, had a hispanic last name, his widow, Pilar, is Peruvian and his second wife, Esperanza Bauer, was Mexican, born in Mexico City.
Esperanza Baur - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanza_Baur)

[PHILLY RICHARD]

I'm with you my friend. I'm a big-time John Wayne fan. This is too ridiculous to believe even in these insane times.
I used to live near Disneyland in Orange County, Ca. I think now, the entire state of California has become a Disneyland.
This is not the first time "they" wanted to change the name of the airport. I'm just waiting till five o'clock to start my happy hour at my home bar. At least my mind can get a little rest for a few hours. WHEN WILL ALL THE INSANITY END?

[PHILLY RICHARD]

I lived in Costa Rica for eighteen years and loved mostly everything. If things don't go right in November (God help us!), I may move back.

[justjim]

I'm with you my friend. I'm a big-time John Wayne fan. This is too ridiculous to believe even in these insane times.
I used to live near Disneyland in Orange County, Ca. I think now, the entire state of California has become a Disneyland.
This is not the first time "they" wanted to change the name of the airport. I'm just waiting till five o'clock to start my happy hour at my home bar. At least my mind can get a little rest for a few hours. WHEN WILL ALL THE INSANITY END?

The “world wide web” and cameras everywhere where a few make all Americans look racist and ashamed. For example, a recent video taken in The Villages that has gone viral.

[JerryLBell]

Do you feel guilty about slavery? I don’t.

Personally guilty? No. Ashamed? Deeply.

[christiewright]

Are you friggin kidding me...John Wayne is a problem????

No friggin way!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...this is the last BS straw for me...my camel's back has now been totally broken

How stupid and how far over the hill will some elected officials bend to make sure that they absolutely do not offend anyone at any time any where at any time...even if they are misinformed on reality

Well, guess what Orange County, you have just offended me! I OBJECT. Does, my
voice count...or am I just too damn white? Okay I could have my son who lives in Orange county object...will that matter??? No you've made up your mind that John Wayne must go.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, cowardice.... you are running scared of what??? You cowards!!!!

If California drops off the edge from a earthquake...I no longer care....good bye
We are moving to TV but currently live in Newport Beach. We love John Wayne and his legacy. What he said in the 70’s should not held against him 50 years later. We are all products of our upbringing, no matter how racist it was at the time. It is time that teaches us other views...Thank God.

[Stu from NYC]

Personally guilty? No. Ashamed? Deeply.

No reason to be ashamed as nobody alive today had any part in it.

We should all feel it is wrong and do our best to make everyone live on an equal playing field.

Idiotic that people today who were never slaves should ask people who never owned slaves to pay reparations.

[billethkid]

Utter and complete stupidity.
I am beginning to believe the special interest minority groups are purposely research and targeting that which will pi$$ off most Americans.

Next? Snow White? National Anthem? American Flag? Apple pie?

The tail is vigorously wagging the dog!!!!

Has not a :censored: thing to do with making anybody's life matter.

Disgusting and sad.

[petiteone]

When have we reached the absurd and ridiculous.

Yale University was named for Elihu Yale. You will be quite surprised to find out about his character but yet the elitist have a university named after him.

Harvard And Princeton have a shocking history of its University presidents. Michelle Obama and Sonia Sotomeyer are alumni, are they in favor slavery for going to an institution who’s presidents were slave owners.

Columbia University is named for Christopher Columbus, we all know how “horrible” a person he was.

Cornell University was named for Ezra Cornell, a Quaker. We are told they are evil.

Dartmouth named for William Legge, 2nd earl of Dartmouth. He promoted the career of a notorious slave trader into the Anglican ministry.

Brown University named for Nicholas Brown, Jr. who was an adamant defender of slavery.

Harvard acknowledges slave connections | Harvard Magazine (https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/04/harvard-acknowledges-slave-connections)

https://slavery.princeton.edu/

Slavery and the Brown family: an alternative history (https://www.browndailyherald.com/2006/04/27/slavery-and-the-brown-family-an-alternative-history-2/)

I’m waiting for them to protest and remove the names.
And it's high time we put that hateful, racists era of history where it belongs - in a museum.

[Chi-Town]

Flew in and out of that airport many times in the 90's. Since Orange County was a conservative enclave back then I just figured that naming it John Wayne was just a reflection of that fact. Never gave it much of a thought after that. Plus it sure did beat LAX.

[timjones]

Apparently John Wayne said he didn’t feel guilty about slavery; he made disparaging remarks about Native Americans and he also made homophobic remarks. Trying to establish a new US where discrimination has no place.
Discrimination will always exist. I always discriminate against strawberry whenever cherry vanilla ice cream is available.

Every day in every way when I have a preference for one thing versus another, I thus discriminate.

Now I believe you mean "racial discrimination", if so then say what you mean without the broad brushstrokes.

Coercion and/or violence will never change the human heart in to one of greater love and understanding; it only breeds more hatred and violence.

Coerce me to knee, coerce me to say black lives matter, violently and physically attack me; you might get me to submit but you are certain to generate a long lasting hatred.

Why would anyone want to generate more hatred in this world, especially while espousing a love of peace? Ulterior motives perhaps?

[Incoblack1]

Wow who knew that John Wayne really was at the Alamo.:)

His movies did a lot of good for us during the war and he should be honored for that.

There is a difference , not so obvious to some, between commemorating an individual or an event and celebrating that individual or event. You can't change history but you don't have to applaud what happened!

[Stu from NYC]

Utter and complete stupidity.
I am beginning to believe the special interest minority groups are purposely research and targeting that which will pi$$ off most Americans.

Next? Snow White? National Anthem? American Flag? Apple pie?

The tail is vigorously wagging the dog!!!!

Has not a :censored: thing to do with making anybody's life matter.

Disgusting and sad.

There were some slave who had to pick the apples so we should stop eating apple pie. Would say pecan pie but they come from Ga so thats out.

Guess we can go to cherry pie but we have to do a study of this so it might be a few years for that so guess we better get together and stop eating pie.

[davem4616]

I'm with you my friend. I'm a big-time John Wayne fan. This is too ridiculous to believe even in these insane times.
I used to live near Disneyland in Orange County, Ca. I think now, the entire state of California has become a Disneyland.
This is not the first time "they" wanted to change the name of the airport. I'm just waiting till five o'clock to start my happy hour at my home bar. At least my mind can get a little rest for a few hours. WHEN WILL ALL THE INSANITY END?

exactly...not until people wake up and stop pandering to a few that are bent on pulling our nation down, brick by brick

[tophcfa]

I guess a protest of GRIT TV would be in order? There is no telling where all this nonsense will end?

[talleyjm]

This violence is about $$$$$$$$$ and power, nothing else. Pure and simple extortion. Where is the concern and anguish about the black carnage in Chicago every weekend? Silence. Where is the concern and anguish about the millions of black babies aborted? Silence. Where is the concern and anguish about the putrid level of education that most young blacks get in inner city schools? Silence. But I thought Black Lives Matter? Apparently not. Only when money and power can be extorted do black lives matter. Hundreds of millions of dollars are now being funneled to black organizations from the government, from corporations, from individuals. BLM is an organization that has tapped into the mother lode of white guilt, liberalism and political correctness. BLM spent over $1 million on consultants and travel last year. This movement will not help blacks at all. It’s just Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson on steroids! We’re being conned because a rotten cop took down a really bad criminal with excessive force. And a lot of money and power is changing hands because of it. Not a bad con if you can get away it. And they are.

[oldtimes]

Idiotic that people today who were never slaves should ask people who never owned slaves to pay reparations.

I totally agree. I believe that slavery was wrong and racism is wrong but the insanity that is happening right now is not going to fix either of them.

[Bay Kid]

The government pays too well. They all just sitting around thinking of everything that bothers them. They should be working.

[ColdNoMore]

I've enjoyed almost every single one of John Wayne's movies. :thumbup:

If the naming of the airport (which I find one of the easiest to get in and out of and love its close proximity to an Embassy Suites, which is great for family travel) is based on his work in film...I have no problem with it.

However, to be fair, the plaque on the statue should also, IMHO... include his racist/bigoted/xenophobic personal viewpoints.

Think of it as..."truth in advertising." :shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

We are moving to TV but currently live in Newport Beach. We love John Wayne and his legacy. What he said in the 70’s should not held against him 50 years later. We are all products of our upbringing, no matter how racist it was at the time. It is time that teaches us other views...Thank God.

It's a bit ironic that Bob, the owner of one of John Wayne's favorite restaurants (as stated by Wayne himself, on one of the restaurant's own postcards)...held much different personal views than The Duke.

I found a framed, handwritten postcard stating the restaurant was one of his favorites by The Duke, in a memorabilia store in Orlando, then immediately called my best friend in Newport Beach to pass on to his uncle Bob...who bought it over the phone.

It stayed in Bob's office until his passing.

The reason I know this, is that my best friend (Bob's nephew) is also the manager of the Crab Cooker of Newport Beach.

I hear the new restaurant, because the old one was condemned due to nearby construction...should be open soon. :thumbup:

As you may know, they don't take reservations and even once made a very important and powerful person stand in line...along with everyone else. :D

[NoMoSno]

I've enjoyed almost every single one of John Wayne's movies. :thumbup:

If the naming of the airport (which I find one of the easiest to get in and out of and love its close proximity to an Embassy Suites, which is great for family travel) is based on his work in film...I have no problem with it.

However, to be fair, the plaque on the statue should also, IMHO... include his racist/bigoted/xenophobic personal viewpoints.

Think of it as..."truth in advertising." :shrug:
The same should apply to Sen. Robert Byrd's statue in the senate halls...:shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

The same should apply to Sen. Robert Byrd's statue in the senate halls...:shrug:

Fair enough.

Also for Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms? :ho:

As for those not in the halls, the list should start with George Wallace/Lester Maddox/Brigham Young/Rick Perry/Etc./Etc. :shrug:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Can you refer me to the sites where black woman and families are sad because they can’t pose for the roll of Aunt Jemima. I’m always looking for a funny story

[manaboutown]

Can you refer me to the sites where black woman and families are sad because they can’t pose for the roll of Aunt Jemima. I’m always looking for a funny story

Sorry, but the story is not funny.

The Family Of Aunt Jemima Fights Against Getting Rid Of The Brand (https://www.blackenterprise.com/great-grandson-of-aunt-jemima-calls-attempt-to-abandon-brand-a-great-injustice/)

Descendants of 'Aunt Jemima' not supportive of rebranding - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-aunt-jemima-family-members-fight-against-rebranding-20200622-frn67vaptvc4zizqf5eoqd5x4y-story.html)

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/nation/aunt-jemima-descendants-upset-her-likeness-is-being-erased-from-history/article_e9b69fc4-7f6c-59c6-b110-1cc7d4f6baf8.html

[Lindsyburnsy]

Lafayette Square in Wash DC was just the beginning.


QUOTE=Velvet;1793412]Changing history, wiping out anything that doesn’t fit the current political agenda, is exactly how Communism works. I can’t believe it came to the US. I wonder if their method of enforcement is next?[/QUOTE]

[Stu from NYC]

There is a rumor they want to change the name of terminal A to Aunt Jemima Terminal.