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PennBF
06-30-2020, 07:33 AM
I believe a partial solution to the rioting and consequences is to automatically draft those that have rioted and their enlistment would be for a minimum of 4 years. Either the 4 years are served as military or 6 years in jail if they try for a discharge through
some of the escape clauses (AWOL,etc). the penalty is 6 years in prison from the day the offense occured. Tough drill sargents would be assigned to their special units and.A percent to the Marines and a percentage to the Army.Since they rioted and tried to overthrow the US Government they will get a lesson on what "freedom means and the US Constitution". Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying property and killing and asualt is another!! :ho:

OrangeBlossomBaby
06-30-2020, 08:42 AM
I believe a partial solution to the rioting and consequences is to automatically draft those that have rioted and their enlistment would be for a minimum of 4 years. Either the 4 years are served as military or 6 years in jail if they try for a discharge through
some of the escape clauses (AWOL,etc). the penalty is 6 years in prison from the day the offense occured. Tough drill sargents would be assigned to their special units and.A percent to the Marines and a percentage to the Army.Since they rioted and tried to overthrow the US Government they will get a lesson on what "freedom means and the US Constitution". Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying property and killing and asualt is another!! :ho:

...because all rioters and protesters are actually qualified for the military? Seriously? You do know there are seniors who were involved in that rioting and protesting. THere were disabled people involved in that rioting and protesting. There were (heavens forfend) LGBTQ+ people involved in that rioting and protesting.

There were CEOs of corporations, pharmacists, lawyers, doctors, nurses, store managers, firefighters, volunteers for elderly services...

Just round'em all up and send them away to die for their country whether they like it or not, all because they threw a beer can at a storefront?

I'm thinking no.

charlieo1126@gmail.com
06-30-2020, 08:56 AM
Hurry let’s get those railroad cars moving , think of the job creation for barb wire , search lights, guards and of course black leather boots

MJY10101
06-30-2020, 09:35 AM
I think this is still a free country so your idea is kind of ignorant.

davem4616
06-30-2020, 09:36 AM
Draft them???

Think about what you're saying.

I would never want to share a foxhole with any of those jerks....there were enough bozo's that got drafted during the 60's that didn't want to be there and made it all the more challenging for the rest of us because of it

put them on a road gang picking up trash...but don't put the lives folks in our military at risk

charlieo1126@gmail.com
06-30-2020, 10:32 AM
I saw many good soldiers that were drafted , many even volunteered for airborne , as a multi tour combat veteran the crack about draftees was disrespectful to the living and the dead who did there job even though they didn’t join

shut the front door
06-30-2020, 10:38 AM
So put a gun in the hands of violent thugs and expose our brave soldiers to that?

fdpaq0580
06-30-2020, 10:38 AM
...because all rioters and protesters are actually qualified for the military? Seriously? You do know there are seniors who were involved in that rioting and protesting. THere were disabled people involved in that rioting and protesting. There were (heavens forfend) LGBTQ+ people involved in that rioting and protesting.

There were CEOs of corporations, pharmacists, lawyers, doctors, nurses, store managers, firefighters, volunteers for elderly services...

Just round'em all up and send them away to die for their country whether they like it or not, all because they threw a beer can at a storefront?

I'm thinking no.

Just to be clear, OP said " rioters", not protesters. I know that one often seems to show up when the other takes place, but they are not the same thing.
As to your mention of doctors, lawyers, CEOs, disabled, etc, they might be (more likely) part of the protest group and not part of the rioter group.
As to the suggestion of drafting them, I would strongly advise against it. I, for one, would find it, shall we say disconcerting to have to trust my life, my fellow shipmates or soldiers lives to the kind of mind that thinks rioting and looting is in anyway acceptable. Instead, if, and that is a mighty big if, they can be identified, they should be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law. If they can be shown to be associated with a specific group and were acting at the direction or guidance of that group, then that group should be held accountable and dealt with like any terrorist group.
Most people are good. Not perfect, but good. They come in all shapes and sizes, from all political preferences, from all religions, and they come in all colors. There are also a relatively small group of potentially violent people who think nothing of harming others for their own bizarre and twisted reasons. These too come from all across the spectrum of people. These are the ones we need to beware of.

Number 10 GI
06-30-2020, 10:46 AM
One thing about the draft army, you were exposed to and got along with people from all social and economic levels. I was a young farm boy from Iowa and it was quite the experience learning about the different people in our country.

MandoMan
06-30-2020, 01:16 PM
I believe a partial solution to the rioting and consequences is to automatically draft those that have rioted and their enlistment would be for a minimum of 4 years. Either the 4 years are served as military or 6 years in jail if they try for a discharge through
some of the escape clauses (AWOL,etc). the penalty is 6 years in prison from the day the offense occured. Tough drill sargents would be assigned to their special units and.A percent to the Marines and a percentage to the Army.Since they rioted and tried to overthrow the US Government they will get a lesson on what "freedom means and the US Constitution". Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying property and killing and asualt is another!! :ho:

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States says:
“ Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

I recommend that all violent protestors, looters, and destroyers of property be duly convicted and sentenced to a period of involuntary servitude. I’ve known wild kids who settled down nicely after a period in the military. It happens a LOT. But I’d rather see these people picking vegetables in the Imperial Valley of California or in Florida, in chains.

Paul1934
06-30-2020, 01:28 PM
As apposed to mandatory ‘military’ service, require a minimum of 2 years and of ‘National service’, inter city peace corps type work, etc.

PennBF
06-30-2020, 01:36 PM
Sadly there are those who have a reading comprehension challenge. In my original note I even made the subject,"Partial Solution" which would mean it is not a cure all for some of the reasons that reader's challenged the "partial solution". Coupled with a reading comprehension problem and a need to display a judgement without fully understanding the subject you have the formula for misinterpretations. Given the obvious limitations to the idea I stand by my suggestion. Maybe only 2 out of 100 of the rioters would qualify but that would serve as a mild deterrent to others. OK I am ready for the "slings and arrows" to the proposal and maybe, just maybe one will try to offer another solution that would help to eradicate riots?? :ohdear:

fdpaq0580
06-30-2020, 02:08 PM
Sadly there are those who have a reading comprehension challenge. In my original note I even made the subject,"Partial Solution" which would mean it is not a cure all for some of the reasons that reader's challenged the "partial solution". Coupled with a reading comprehension problem and a need to display a judgement without fully understanding the subject you have the formula for misinterpretations. Given the obvious limitations to the idea I stand by my suggestion. Maybe only 2 out of 100 of the rioters would qualify but that would serve as a mild deterrent to others. OK I am ready for the "slings and arrows" to the proposal and maybe, just maybe one will try to offer another solution that would help to eradicate riots?? :ohdear:

Sorry. I, for one, apologize for going astray in my post. However, in my third paragraph I mentioned identifying then prosecuting rioters and, if found guilty, punishing those who caused damage or injury. I further stated that the group directing the rioters be also held responsible for the actions of their members, in the same manner that companies can be liable for actions of those who represent them.
I look forward to reading other responses.

Gulfcoast
06-30-2020, 02:46 PM
It is an honor to serve in the military and I'm not sure that I agree with mandatory military service for these rioters. Are these really the people that we want protecting and serving our country? I think not. If anything, they should be banned from future service if the crimes that they are convicted of warrant a ban. They should also be banned from getting security clearances.

Maybe they could be put on some type of work detail that benefits the community and is supervised by the military. But, no, they don't get the honor of being service members in our armed forces. Forget that.

Joe V.
06-30-2020, 04:53 PM
I believe a partial solution to the rioting and consequences is to automatically draft those that have rioted and their enlistment would be for a minimum of 4 years. Either the 4 years are served as military or 6 years in jail if they try for a discharge through
some of the escape clauses (AWOL,etc). the penalty is 6 years in prison from the day the offense occured. Tough drill sargents would be assigned to their special units and.A percent to the Marines and a percentage to the Army.Since they rioted and tried to overthrow the US Government they will get a lesson on what "freedom means and the US Constitution". Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying property and killing and asualt is another!! :ho:

This is sarcasm right? I could never trust a rioter forced into the military near me in combat.

retiredguy123
06-30-2020, 05:08 PM
Some people have often suggested mandatory Government service for everyone when they turn 18. This would be way too expensive because of the enforcement, supervision, and food and housing costs that it would require. The benefits to the country would be far less than the cost.

Bay Kid
07-01-2020, 08:42 AM
Once unemployment is over they will maybe go back to work???

PennBF
07-01-2020, 09:28 AM
Is drafting a person into the military "involuntary servitude?". Where was I when my two brothers and father were drafted in WWII? I guess they could have claimed involuntary servitude and sued the Government? If the excuse for draft is the country was under attack, what the heck is the rioters taking over 6 city blocks in Seattle and preventing police from entering the area? There is a concern these criminals could end up in a "fox hole" with some. Am I wrong that murders, thieves, etc were part of the draft in WWII? I don't remember anyone asking a draftee if he or she had committed a crime when in the fox hole? In fact some enlisted to avoid prosecution from crimes. It is amazing how a Drill Sargent and the right penalties and consequences can get a reluctant person to see the light! We are blessed with the opportunity to change behaviors and little reasons, where appropriate not to!:popcorn:

Gulfcoast
07-01-2020, 10:18 AM
Once unemployment is over they will maybe go back to work???

Doing what? Who is going to hire a known rioter/looter? I think that these people are going to wind up deeply regretting their actions. They got caught up in mob hysteria and made some really bad choices, I get that. But now that the dust is starting to settle....what do you do with them? It's sad.

tophcfa
07-01-2020, 10:27 AM
Partial solution won’t work. Reason. The military is looking for good people to serve and protect.

Number 10 GI
07-01-2020, 04:55 PM
This is sarcasm right? I could never trust a rioter forced into the military near me in combat.

During WWII the Germans had penal units that were put into battles with little chance of survival. If they didn't attack, the SS would execute them. It's called motivation.

Steve9930
07-01-2020, 09:01 PM
I believe a partial solution to the rioting and consequences is to automatically draft those that have rioted and their enlistment would be for a minimum of 4 years. Either the 4 years are served as military or 6 years in jail if they try for a discharge through
some of the escape clauses (AWOL,etc). the penalty is 6 years in prison from the day the offense occured. Tough drill sargents would be assigned to their special units and.A percent to the Marines and a percentage to the Army.Since they rioted and tried to overthrow the US Government they will get a lesson on what "freedom means and the US Constitution". Protesting is one thing, rioting and destroying property and killing and asualt is another!! :ho:

Works for me!