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retiredguy123
07-02-2020, 12:03 PM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.

JoMar
07-02-2020, 12:17 PM
They try to keep their patrons safe but you can't fix stupid and they have no desire to get into arguments or maybe a legal confrontation.......just avoid those that won't play nice.

WhiteToast
07-02-2020, 12:25 PM
Yes. Stores should require masks because it's polite. Believe or not beleive it's up to you but the social attitude is that masks are safer than not. So with all considered... yes. If someone isn't switched on enough to understand all of our present situation, our present reality, they should have the decency to not enter the store. This is a politeness issue. It's an awareness issue. It's a civilized social issue. It's not about your beliefs one way or another, it's about polite society, civilized society.

I like to drive fast and reckless but I don't because it's not polite, it stresses my fellow driver on the highway. It's uncivilized to harm my neighbor.

Boomer
07-02-2020, 01:12 PM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.

Considering the reports of physical violence, and even at least one death, to an employee trying to enforce the mask requirement for a store, I think the answer is not so easy as you think.

The politicizing of masks is a part of what is causing us to have more than 25% of the world’s cases and 25% of the world’s deaths, while being only 4.5 % of the world’s population.

But too many people choose to stay dysinformed. Anti-maskers have had their emotions heightened into some kind of bizarre fervor that, ironically, could result in the death knell to the economy they claim to care so much about.

I started a thread this morning with a science based article that says masks could protect the wearer and gives details on the protection value of various types of masks.

By the way, Meta Minton was interviewed on NPR earlier this week. In addition to being asked about the infamous parade in TV that was viewed by millions, she also was asked to comment on how Villagers are handling the virus. A Google of her name and NPR will take you to the interview.

I was really hoping the canaries who are out there in the coal mine would do fine, but it does not look promising.

What is the big deal about putting on a mask? Can’t hurt. Could help. But I think we are in a big, ugly mess with no end in sight.

billethkid
07-02-2020, 01:58 PM
Yes masks should be required.
The weak spined politicians need to step up and make the call....popular or not.
And just like some of the salons and most of the medical service providers signs say....no mask...no service.
And flat out deny entrance to those who try to enter.
If it works for them it will work for the others.

ENFORCEMENT!!!

Let us not be bullied by those who do not care whether they are spreading the virus or not.

Bogie Shooter
07-02-2020, 02:26 PM
Yes masks should be required.
The weak spined politicians need to step up and make the call....popular or not.
And just like some of the salons and most of the medical service providers signs say....no mask...no service.
And flat out deny entrance to those who try to enter.
If it works for them it will work for the others.

ENFORCEMENT!!!

Let us not be bullied by those who do not care whether they are spreading the virus or not.

It's really quite simple.....I agree with all you said.

gatorbill1
07-02-2020, 02:35 PM
If masks were required and enforced, I believe more people would be going out to stores. I know I would.

John41
07-02-2020, 03:03 PM
Yes, stores should require masks and social distancing. All the hard work our doctors, nurses, hospital workers and EMTs did to flatten the curve is being frittered away by those selfish individuals who do nothing to help. And polls show only about one third of people would get a covid19 vaccination despite all the efforts researcher are putting into its development. Unfortunately, there seems to be an anti science streak growing in this country.

asianthree
07-02-2020, 05:26 PM
Take a look when you are in a store that requires a mask. Either wearing below their nose, by their chin, and those who have them under their chin.

Velvet
07-02-2020, 06:02 PM
Private places can set their own requirements. Mask phobic people can go somewhere else, except people who actually have physical difficulty wearing one.

Velvet
07-02-2020, 06:06 PM
Take a look when you are in a store that requires a mask. Either wearing below their nose, by their chin, and those who have them under their chin.

That is just too funny, like wearing your pants around your ankles... doesn’t count.

charmed59
07-02-2020, 09:05 PM
At Joann’s fabric everyone was wearing one. Maybe because they were all proud of their handiwork. There were some really nice masks there.

djrudd
07-03-2020, 04:51 AM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.
Yes, masks should be required. Remember the sign no shoes, no shirt, no service?

arbajeda
07-03-2020, 04:55 AM
Did you ask to speak with the manager? Then ask why people without masks were permitted to enter when signage said masks were required?

iht2209
07-03-2020, 05:22 AM
It’s called being “entitled” they are entitled to infect you. It’s there right. They want to economy open but don’t want to help keep it open. I’m back in my home ordering from amazon....,. So feel free to infect whom ever.....

Pillowtalk
07-03-2020, 05:28 AM
If I am shopping with my mask on practicing safe distance and if crowded by people who don’t care about me to wear a mask I want to pull down my mask and start coughing. I am not there yet, but I am close....

Mardarlowe
07-03-2020, 05:35 AM
In today's world, the last thing a business owner has time for is policing a mask policy. He's probably more concerned about paying this month's rent and providing for his family.

Marykess1802
07-03-2020, 05:54 AM
I’m with you! The unmasked “crowders” just about undo me. Coughing on them is probably better than choking them to death.


If I am shopping with my mask on practicing safe distance and if crowded by people who don’t care about me to wear a mask I want to pull down my mask and start coughing. I am not there yet, but I am close....

bowlingal
07-03-2020, 06:09 AM
Cal's requires masks and to wait outside for your appointment. there is a sign on the door stating that and has been up since early June

Joanne19335
07-03-2020, 06:12 AM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.

Until the Governor mandates people wearing masks in public, the word “requested” is used. Florida is well beyond requesting that masks be worn. They should be MANDATED. Anyone refusing to wear one should be denied entry.

Two Bills
07-03-2020, 06:18 AM
If I am shopping with my mask on practicing safe distance and if crowded by people who don’t care about me to wear a mask I want to pull down my mask and start coughing. I am not there yet, but I am close....

My brother in law does that, he throws an absolute coughing fit, but he keeps mask on.
Reactions are hilarious. One person nearly fell over running away!

MandoMan
07-03-2020, 06:33 AM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.

I know that in Texas, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey, and probably more states, masks are REQUIRED when you are in a public place within breathing distance of people, and several states have just shut down indoor dining again. I spent three years in operating rooms wearing masks all day. Properly worn, they DO work to stop transmission of air-borne organisms. They work best if everyone wears them. There are all sorts of government “restrictions to your freedom” that you comply with, such as wearing seatbelts, using turn signals and headlights, having a license plate and a current registration and carrying insurance and wearing shirt and shoes if you want service. What’s the big deal about masks?
Republicans Urge Masks for Coronavirus Despite Trump'''s Resistance - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/us/coronavirus-masks.html)

daca55
07-03-2020, 06:41 AM
I left the Villages for my summer home in New England the first of June. Up here especially in N.H. all stores require masks and people are complying with the exception of a few. After being in FL I couldn’t believe how tighter things are up here. Up till June 15 you still had to have an appointment to get into a Best Buy Store. After watching the number of cases and deaths going up the way they are in FL people need to start taking this virus seriously.

PJackpot
07-03-2020, 06:49 AM
My guess is they don't want to lose the revenue. I personally will not go into any establishment that requires a mask be worn. If I want something that bad, I'll get it from Amazon.

BlackhawksFan
07-03-2020, 07:07 AM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.

A business cannot require you to wear a mask only their employees. That being said they can refuse to serve you and ask you to leave.

cheweycat
07-03-2020, 07:12 AM
Just wear a mask! It’s so simple..

davem4616
07-03-2020, 07:12 AM
They try to keep their patrons safe but you can't fix stupid and they have no desire to get into arguments or maybe a legal confrontation.......just avoid those that won't play nice.

exactly

no need to place the folks working for minimum wage at risk by forcing them to confront someone that just doesn't get it and will certainly create a scene

reality is, the stores shouldn't have to post any sign regarding masks

I used to think that if you lived in a higher end neighborhood everyone would get a long and play nicely in the sandbox....but I've learned that accumulated wealth doesn't seem to have much of an impact on being respectful of others...that's a value that should have learned from one's parents growing up...of course if the parent didn't have that value that answers the question

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 07:18 AM
Cal's requires masks and to wait outside for your appointment. there is a sign on the door stating that and has been up since early June
Not correct for the Cal's at Colony Plaza. The barbers are required to wear them, but masks are optional for customers while getting their haircut. I have been there 3 times since May. I don't know about the other Cal's shops.

charlieo1126@gmail.com
07-03-2020, 07:34 AM
If the governor of Texas is requiring people to wear masks , that tells you how bad things are getting . I just don’t understand why people are wearing them . I would like to tin k that many of the deniers of the virus danger and the wearing of mask are just try to get people going , at least I hope so ,or has the constant drumbeat of everything is fake news taken hold in many

kendi
07-03-2020, 07:42 AM
So much talk about masks but nothing said about social distancing which is the first step along with washing of hands. Masks? Yes of course. But keep in mind that many who wear them are just as nasty as those who don’t. Sad people turn on each other over a piece of cloth. As far as people in Barnes and Noble not wearing one, I would also look at how crowded it is. It’s very easy to social distance much farther than 6 feet even when not many are in the store.

Rosie1950
07-03-2020, 07:47 AM
exactly

no need to place the folks working for minimum wage at risk by forcing them to confront someone that just doesn't get it and will certainly create a scene

reality is, the stores shouldn't have to post any sign regarding masks

I used to think that if you lived in a higher end neighborhood everyone would get a long and play nicely in the sandbox....but I've learned that accumulated wealth doesn't seem to have much of an impact on being respectful of others...that's a value that should have learned from one's parents growing up...of course if the parent didn't have that value that answers the question

Correct, and they learned their attitude because their parents probably kept the lights on during air raids NOBODY GONNA TELL THEM WHAT TO DO!

kendi
07-03-2020, 07:47 AM
exactly

no need to place the folks working for minimum wage at risk by forcing them to confront someone that just doesn't get it and will certainly create a scene

reality is, the stores shouldn't have to post any sign regarding masks

I used to think that if you lived in a higher end neighborhood everyone would get a long and play nicely in the sandbox....but I've learned that accumulated wealth doesn't seem to have much of an impact on being respectful of others...that's a value that should have learned from one's parents growing up...of course if the parent didn't have that value that answers the question

I used to think as one gets older they learn how to be kinder. The day I realized this wasn’t true shocked and saddened me. Takes a healthy dose of self awareness and courage to choose respectful dialogue as opposed to the nastiness we see from our seniors in TV everyday on social media. Very poor role models for our youth.

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 07:50 AM
A business cannot require you to wear a mask only their employees. That being said they can refuse to serve you and ask you to leave.
Not sure I see a difference.

mlmarr1
07-03-2020, 08:20 AM
required and mandatory is 2 different issues .. just go about your business

Ruggiero56
07-03-2020, 08:38 AM
I was in Barnes and Noble today, and they have a sign on the front door that says masks are "required". I think that is the first sign I has seen like that, which I thought was a good idea. But, there were several people in the store not wearing masks and I didn't see any of them being asked to leave. I don't understand the management's thinking on this. It would be very easy to have someone walk around and enforce their rule. Otherwise, why not just have a sign that says masks are "requested" like many other stores? They are just making people who follow the rule feel cheated.
Wouldn’t it make sense to simply treat it as if someone walked into the store without shirt or shoes? Not sure what stores do when that happens but it should be treated the same. Simple solution - politely remind customers that to come in they need to wear a mask and then offer them one.

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 08:47 AM
Wouldn’t it make sense to simply treat it as if someone walked into the store without shirt or shoes? Not sure what stores do when that happens but it should be treated the same. Simple solution - politely remind customers that to come in they need to wear a mask and then offer them one.
I agree. I don't see any problem having and enforcing a rule to wear a mask. And, it seems very easy to avoid confrontation.

Boomer
07-03-2020, 09:12 AM
Even if they do not care about others — or themselves — why can’t the Anti-Maskers figure out that they are culpable in the impending total destruction of the bricks-and-mortar economy.

Even though I wear a mask, I am limiting going into stores because I do not want to deal with the Anti-Maskers.

When we have nothing left but a gaping maw of empty retail space, we will know what finally did it.

Bricks-and-mortar retail has been teetering on the brink for years, but the Anti-Maskers are nailing the coffin shut.

Btw, if you are an Anti-Masker and you have an investment portfolio that includes REITs, it is quite possible that you own a piece of that commercial retail property that could soon be empty — and could stay that way. Geez. Look around. Get a clue.

Cassandra Boomer

Joe C.
07-03-2020, 09:20 AM
If a store requires a mask for entering, then they should provide one for those who don't have one. They do that at the doctor's office for me. I needed to go to the lab, and they handed me a mask and told me to wear it before entering. So I did. When I was leaving, I took it off and asked the attendant who gave it to me if she wanted it for the next person. You should have seen the look in her eyes (as that was all that was visible behind her mask).

golferrm
07-03-2020, 10:03 AM
If you go to the pro shops of the villages, there is a sign on the door stating face masks are required. When you go in, the clerks behind the counter and management are not wearing masks. " Do as ask, not as I do " seems to be theme of our community.

Lindsyburnsy
07-03-2020, 10:15 AM
Nobody wants the job of following people around the store to enforce mask wearing. If you watch any of the social media videos of people who start pushing workers or throwing all of the food out of their baskets onto the floor while screaming FU and spitting at the employees who are just trying to do their jobs, it's like putting your life at risk. No one should be told to wear a mask, they should just wear the darn thing! Stupid not to.

Rosebud1949
07-03-2020, 10:17 AM
No masks no service. SAFE FOR ALL..... Wear a mask in public, save your life, BEFORE someone wearing a mask has to saves yours.. Think about it

NavyVet
07-03-2020, 10:24 AM
Take a look when you are in a store that requires a mask. Either wearing below their nose, by their chin, and those who have them under their chin.

Right up there with all the young morons who wear their pants below their butts. Ridiculous!

theruizs
07-03-2020, 10:35 AM
Private places can set their own requirements. Mask phobic people can go somewhere else, except people who actually have physical difficulty wearing one.

Barnes & Noble is not a private place. It may be privately owned but it is open to the public. So if the county or state decides to require masks in public, that will include Barnes & Nobel.

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 10:53 AM
Did you ask to speak with the manager? Then ask why people without masks were permitted to enter when signage said masks were required?
Sorry, no, but I should have. Next time I will.

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 10:58 AM
Nobody wants the job of following people around the store to enforce mask wearing. If you watch any of the social media videos of people who start pushing workers or throwing all of the food out of their baskets onto the floor while screaming FU and spitting at the employees who are just trying to do their jobs, it's like putting your life at risk. No one should be told to wear a mask, they should just wear the darn thing! Stupid not to.
Ii think you would be surprised. Some wouldn't, but a lot of employees wouldn't mind at all.

NoMoSno
07-03-2020, 12:02 PM
Barnes & Noble is not a private place. It may be privately owned but it is open to the public. So if the county or state decides to require masks in public, that will include Barnes & Nobel.
All stores are privately owned and have the right to refuse service for any reason, whether they are open to the public or not.

Byte1
07-03-2020, 12:31 PM
Wear a mask or don't wear a mask, I don't care. I would like to see folks that KNOW they have a cold or some other illness wear a mask, but I also know that this is a free country. Unless they declare Marshal Law, I don't know if anyone has the right to mandate a mask. I go into stores all the time that have signs outside asking everyone to wear masks. Half the folks wear them and half do not. Mostly young are the ones that do not, but I've seen plenty of older ones also. Personally, the only reason I wear one is for my spouse. I hope that the little prevention I do might help her avoid illness. I was wearing gloves also, as well as eye protection, when it first started. Now, I only wear an old cloth mask so that I might not inhale someone else's disease. Not that I am confident that it even works, but something is better than nothing.
I am not saying that if you feel the need to wear a mask that you shouldn't. I am only saying that we live in a free country and no one should be intimidated into doing something solely to make others "feel" more secure. It should be done willingly, not mandated. Will you all still wear masks after a vaccine is invented? You don't wear one for the flu and a new flu comes out every year. And people die from the flu also.
This is just my opinion, not a declaration. My opinion is also that the country is seeing a major case of Mass Hysteria.
If you do not like to see people in public that are not wearing masks, then use your Constitutional Right to Freedom and do not go out in public.

The answer to the question: Should stores require masks?
Require - NO! Request - sure.

Pamelah
07-03-2020, 12:34 PM
Several days ago on TOTV there were many suggestions offered on locations that would do fingerprinting for carrying a concealed weapon. Then in the past 3 days there’s been coverage of ordinary (?) citizens pointing guns at others in a neighborhood and Then in a parking lot. Who wants to go up to a patron at Barnes and Noble and ask where their mask is? You may be taking your life in your hands!! No thanks. (In New England however I wouldn’t hesitate To ask.)

Byte1
07-03-2020, 12:47 PM
All stores are privately owned and have the right to refuse service for any reason, whether they are open to the public or not.

That is partially true. A private business open to the public cannot refuse service to anyone unless they are protected by laws enforced by the health Dept. I don't think that masks are covered under a law requiring customers to wear footwear, shirts and pants. I may be mistaken, but masks are a new item and will not be permanently suggested so it may not be enforceable attire required. That may be the reason that businesses have not been enforcing their mask requests?

Velvet
07-03-2020, 01:05 PM
You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.

retiredguy123
07-03-2020, 01:23 PM
You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.
Well, I definitely wouldn't want to be naked in the wilderness.

bpascani
07-03-2020, 01:33 PM
Fresh Market has that sign and it seems everyone I see going in or coming out have on masks. It's disrespectful people that break the rules, which is really sad. Store clerks making minimum wage (or near) shouldn't have to police these people. They would probably ignore completely, or be extremely rude to the employee anyway.

Byte1
07-03-2020, 01:42 PM
You say it is a free country, but is it? Can you go out in public naked? So if clothes are required then how are masks different. The only place it is a “free country” is in the wilderness.

Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

Byte1
07-03-2020, 01:47 PM
Fresh Market has that sign and it seems everyone I see going in or coming out have on masks. It's disrespectful people that break the rules, which is really sad. Store clerks making minimum wage (or near) shouldn't have to police these people. They would probably ignore completely, or be extremely rude to the employee anyway.

I've been in Fresh Market several times where at least one or two won't wear a mask. In my opinion, if there is a sign requesting that you wear a mask, then wear a mask or don't go in. It is a free country, so it is FREE for you to just walk away if you do not like their request. For some, they just get off being rebellious and it does not seem to be restricted to any certain age group.
Like I said, I do not believe in mandatory laws for wearing a mask, but if a store requests that you wear one, don't go inside unless you agree to wear a mask. Period.

Tweety Bird
07-03-2020, 01:47 PM
When I see you walking past me with no mask in a store, I absolutely dislike you for not respecting ME! It’s not about freedoms or rights, it’s about safety. If you don’t believe in a mask at this vulnerable time, then you are ignorant and without care about how others feel. Just WEAR the mask you germ ridden parasite!

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 01:49 PM
If a store has a sign requesting that people wear masks I won't go inside. Interestingly, when I walked up to a store, saw the sign and started to walk away, an employee waved me on into the store. There were others inside not wearing masks.

Who is safer? A symptomatic person wearing a mask or an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask? Would you rather pick up a can of green beans that a symptomatic (sick) mask wearer had touched or would you rather pick up the can that an asymptomatic (not sick) non wearing mask person had touched?

Byte1
07-03-2020, 01:55 PM
When I see you walking past me with no mask in a store, I absolutely dislike you for not respecting ME! It’s not about freedoms or rights, it’s about safety. If you don’t believe in a mask at this vulnerable time, then you are ignorant and without care about how others feel. Just WEAR the mask you germ ridden parasite!

I wonder how many people are worried about whether or not someone they do not know, likes them. If one is really as concerned as they say they are, I am sure they wear goggles for their eyes which are VERY prone to germ infestation, and I am sure they wear gloves and long sleeved shirts, as well as a hat.
Like I said, I wear protective(?) gear only to protect my spouse. If others worry about being infected, then they are not taking the proper precaution by staying at home where they think they are safe. Wear a mask if you wish or don't. I don't care. If the placebo effect works for you, then go for it.
What one person feels is a safety measure may not stand up to the scrutiny of what others feel is adequate protection.
Ain't Mass Hysteria interesting?

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 01:55 PM
Which is safer: A room filled with 150 people uninfected non mask wearing people or a room filled with 150 mask wearing infected people all standing 3 feet apart?

Velvet
07-03-2020, 02:06 PM
Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

So being obscene is worse than possibly causing a person’s death? Sorry, I don’t get it.

ts12755
07-03-2020, 02:16 PM
They are going out of business and just want to sell anything they can before they close the doors. Generic masks and cloth masks won't stop the virus the particles are too tiny.

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 02:17 PM
So being obscene is worse than possibly causing a person’s death? Sorry, I don’t get it.

If the mask you are wearing and the way you are wearing it basically provides little to no protection for yourself or to others, should you be held accountable for that?

Should stores be doing a mask check to insure that all masks meet stringent safety requirements?

Joelack99
07-03-2020, 02:19 PM
Actually they are entitled to infect themselves but not free to infect anyone else. That’s why masks should be required everywhere. Stores absolutely have the right to require certain dress, including masks. Your freedom is to shop elsewhere if that offends you just as I absolutely will shop elsewhere if people are endangering my health. But why should it? This is not a political issue in any way.

billethkid
07-03-2020, 02:20 PM
If the numbers in FL keep climbing Desantis will have to declare masks REQUIRED.....that will be when he thinks his political risk is to that point.
It is very unfortionate this whole issue has become politicized, hence avoiding doing what is right for the welfare of the residents of FL.

Velvet
07-03-2020, 02:20 PM
Any face covering helps, other than a screen, to stop your droplets from others. I really think people just don’t like to smell their own bad breath, one could wear a face shield if they cannot wear a mask.

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 02:23 PM
Common sense tells us that a person who is not infected with the Coronavirus can not spread the virus to anyone else.

A symptomatic infected person can spread the virus whether they are wearing a mask or not.

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 02:26 PM
Any face covering helps, other than a screen, to stop your droplets from others. I really think people just don’t like to smell their own bad breath, one could wear a face shield if they cannot wear a mask.

No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 02:37 PM
If the numbers in FL keep climbing Desantis will have to declare masks REQUIRED.....that will be when he thinks his political risk is to that point.
It is very unfortionate this whole issue has become politicized, hence avoiding doing what is right for the welfare of the residents of FL.

If the numbers in FL are increasing but the number of hospitalizations/deaths are not really all that alarming why would Desantis order us to wear masks?

The numbers are increasing not because people are dropping like flies, it's because testing has become more widely available and those that would not have met the requirements for testing (asymptomatic/very mild) are now being tested. As those numbers go up, the rate of death/hospitalization goes down.

The virus has been out there all along, we're just learning more about the rate of infection now.

Velvet
07-03-2020, 02:38 PM
No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

You are right about it is my responsibility to protect myself. That is one reason why I have been asking for N95 masks for the vulnerable. I really don’t like to force everyone to do something as they do in socialist countries. I guess that is why here we try persuasion and hope that common human decency is enough. But where are those N95 masks?

donassaid
07-03-2020, 02:51 PM
I choose not to wear a mask because it is useless against a virus. If you don't believe that, try sneezing thru one and see if your hand gets wet. If you are sick, don't go out. If not don't wear a mask. All you are doing is breathing in your own carbon dioxide and damaging your immune system which makes you even more susceptible to catching the virus. But people are sooo gullible so those of you who wear a mask, knock yourself out.

Gulfcoast
07-03-2020, 02:56 PM
You are right about it is my responsibility to protect myself. That is one reason why I have been asking for N95 masks for the vulnerable. I really don’t like to force everyone to do something as they do in socialist countries. I guess that is why here we try persuasion and hope that common human decency is enough. But where are those N95 masks?

I would be fine with making quality masks available to the more vulnerable. I do not think that it is realistic to think that others can make being in crowded venues safe for them. Even if you gave everyone N95 masks, some would not wear them, some would improperly wear them, some would improperly care for them, some would wear damaged/torn masks....

Bottom line is, if you are highly susceptible to severe complications from respiratory viruses, you probably should be avoiding crowded venues, restaurants, gyms if the risks of becoming sick are not worth it to you. Some in the high risk category might make different decisions than you do and that is their choice to make.

Professor
07-03-2020, 03:02 PM
Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

billethkid
07-03-2020, 04:09 PM
Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

Political contrarianism.

Byte1
07-04-2020, 08:58 AM
Talk about "selfish." The same ones on here that are telling everyone that they are selfish for not wearing a mask are the same ones that look the other way or even encourage bad behavior like protesting and rioting by the hundreds/thousands. Those folks do not NEED to be doing that during a pandemic, yet you all encourage them. You are more worried about yourself and how someone not wearing a mask into Fresh Market is going to infect YOU. I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the large increase is due in part because of the mass groups of protesters in the streets, in EVERY state. Protesting for a scumbag criminal that died because of his own stupidity. Suicide by Cop.
So, don't come on here complaining about someone that has never been sick in their lives not wearing a piece of cloth over their face. Wear one if you wish, but you have no authority to demand that others conform to your standards so that you can feel safe. Sorry, but if you are out and about and get sick, that's all on you.

theruizs
07-04-2020, 09:12 AM
Talk about "selfish." The same ones on here that are telling everyone that they are selfish for not wearing a mask are the same ones that look the other way or even encourage bad behavior like protesting and rioting by the hundreds/thousands. Those folks do not NEED to be doing that during a pandemic, yet you all encourage them. You are more worried about yourself and how someone not wearing a mask into Fresh Market is going to infect YOU. I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that the large increase is due in part because of the mass groups of protesters in the streets, in EVERY state. Protesting for a scumbag criminal that died because of his own stupidity. Suicide by Cop.
So, don't come on here complaining about someone that has never been sick in their lives not wearing a piece of cloth over their face. Wear one if you wish, but you have no authority to demand that others conform to your standards so that you can feel safe. Sorry, but if you are out and about and get sick, that's all on you.
The mask is not to protect you from getting sick, it is to protect others from you making them sick. You may not be sick yourself, but that doesn’t mean you are not carrying and spreading the virus. Anyone who wants to take the time to do the research can figure that out. If you cannot trouble yourself to wear the mask to protect others, then yes, it is a selfish me-first act. I am sure you will come up with all kinds of ways to justify your actions or non-actions, that’s fine. But it doesn’t change the truth. Expecting others to just stay home so you don’t have to wear a mask or feel guilty about it is just another me-first attitude.

Byte1
07-04-2020, 11:30 AM
Unfortunately many people don't care about anyone but themselves...just selfish in my opinion.

Self-Preservation.
Socialists also feel that anyone that does not give their hard earned money to the lazy is selfish. Selfish to one may not be the same to others. I have found that many that accuse others of being selfish are stingy with charity and yet feel it is perfectly fine and warranted for the gov. to confiscate earnings to give to anyone that has less, regardless of work ethic.

Some of us feel it is selfish for others to dictate how we dispense our charity. If folks feel vulnerable when they are in public, it is not someone else's responsiblity to make them feel safe. Stay home if you do not like how others behave lawfully in public.

Byte1
07-04-2020, 11:44 AM
The mask is not to protect you from getting sick, it is to protect others from you making them sick. You may not be sick yourself, but that doesn’t mean you are not carrying and spreading the virus. Anyone who wants to take the time to do the research can figure that out. If you cannot trouble yourself to wear the mask to protect others, then yes, it is a selfish me-first act. I am sure you will come up with all kinds of ways to justify your actions or non-actions, that’s fine. But it doesn’t change the truth. Expecting others to just stay home so you don’t have to wear a mask or feel guilty about it is just another me-first attitude.

Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

Rapscallion St Croix
07-04-2020, 11:55 AM
I am traveling in a state that requires masks. Stores have signs announcing the state mandate. No enforcement.

Velvet
07-04-2020, 12:31 PM
And of course you see what is happening in the US with Covid cases as a result of the “not my responsibility” attitude. Well, at least we will have lots of blood plasma to help everyone else.

theruizs
07-04-2020, 12:51 PM
Self-Preservation.
Socialists also feel that anyone that does not give their hard earned money to the lazy is selfish. Selfish to one may not be the same to others. I have found that many that accuse others of being selfish are stingy with charity and yet feel it is perfectly fine and warranted for the gov. to confiscate earnings to give to anyone that has less, regardless of work ethic.

Some of us feel it is selfish for others to dictate how we dispense our charity. If folks feel vulnerable when they are in public, it is not someone else's responsiblity to make them feel safe. Stay home if you do not like how others behave lawfully in public.
Really reaching for justication here.

Velvet
07-04-2020, 01:39 PM
Sort of like saying, “So if you don’t want to get shot by the bullets from my gun, stay inside”. These Covid balls are tiny bullets.

Gulfcoast
07-04-2020, 01:47 PM
After sitting back and watching masked "protesters" relentlessly destroy his state day after day after day and doing nothing to stop them, the Minnesota Governor now wants the Federal Government (that means the taxpayers) to fork over money and help them to rebuild. Talk about the height of selfishness.

Byte1
07-04-2020, 03:45 PM
Sort of like saying, “So if you don’t want to get shot by the bullets from my gun, stay inside”. These Covid balls are tiny bullets.

No, actually it like saying "so if you don't want to get shot by the bullets in my gun, DON'T walk in front of me while I am at the shooting range." I don't have "tiny bullets of COVID19" so you don't have to worry. Worry less by staying six feet away from me. Then you won't have to worry about whether or not I am wearing a mask. Although, it's more likely that I will be wearing a home made cloth mask to appease the weak when I am out and about, shopping.

Byte1
07-04-2020, 03:49 PM
And of course you see what is happening in the US with Covid cases as a result of the “not my responsibility” attitude. Well, at least we will have lots of blood plasma to help everyone else.

Yes, I see less fatalities than before. There has not been a dozen fatalities in the Sumter Co. portion of the Villages since it started. And it is supposed to be attacking the old, right? Guess what? I see folks every day playing golf that do not seem to be disturbed. Guess we are just lucky, right? There is more free testing now and the ratio of deaths is getting smaller and smaller to the amount of supposed infected. Like I said before, Mass Hysteria is great, isn't it?

Velvet
07-04-2020, 05:10 PM
TV has shown a lot of discretion towards this virus. And I am proud of it. My aunt is in long term care nearby and there were zero Covid cases at her home. They closed the home to visitors when this novel virus was identified in China in February as a precaution. Up north, almost 80% of all deaths were in long term type places. Unbelievable difference.

davem4616
07-04-2020, 05:45 PM
they are totally enforcing it in California....so what makes FL different?

davem4616
07-04-2020, 05:48 PM
this has just turned into another...is the mask working or does it not make a difference debate

if a store asks you to have a mask on before coming in....just do it

If I was the manager...I'd stand at the locked door and if you didn't have a mask...I wouldn't open the door
...because I'd actually care more about my employees than you

NoMoSno
07-04-2020, 07:12 PM
they are totally enforcing it in California....so what makes FL different?
...and positive cases are spiking in CA also...

Velvet
07-04-2020, 07:19 PM
...and positive cases are spiking in CA also...

Yes, they started masks too late... but it may still do some good.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:02 PM
They try to keep their patrons safe but you can't fix stupid and they have no desire to get into arguments or maybe a legal confrontation.......just avoid those that won't play nice.

Sorry, the rule, made by the store, needs to be enforced. Every time I go into Costco, every single person is wearing a mask. Costco mandates masks and enforces that rule. If you do not want to wear a mask, go elsewhere.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:23 PM
If masks were required and enforced, I believe more people would be going out to stores. I know I would.
This is a sentiment I have said several times in different threads. More enforcement of mask wearing would be good for our economy. I wish these mask deniers would open their eyes and see the big picture. That includes our leaders!!!

Gulfcoast
07-04-2020, 08:27 PM
I just feel as the though the masks offer minimal benefit while providing a convenient cover to those with nefarious intentions. The mask wearing does not make me feel safer at all.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:30 PM
In today's world, the last thing a business owner has time for is policing a mask policy. He's probably more concerned about paying this month's rent and providing for his family.

Then hire a big guy, put him in a suit of armor and his job is to ENFORCE the rule to wear a mask. If anyone refuses to wear a mask the proper way, show them the door.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:40 PM
Cal's requires masks and to wait outside for your appointment. there is a sign on the door stating that and has been up since early June

A couple of weeks ago, Cal's in LSL allowed waiting inside as long as there was plenty of space to social distance. Masks are not required for customers although all employees wore masks or face shields. I would never consider going maskless when that close to someone. I have respect for my beautician. She thanked me for wearing a mask.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:42 PM
Until the Governor mandates people wearing masks in public, the word “requested” is used. Florida is well beyond requesting that masks be worn. They should be MANDATED. Anyone refusing to wear one should be denied entry.

I would like to "THANK" this post 100 times.

Gulfcoast
07-04-2020, 08:42 PM
Then hire a big guy, put him in a suit of armor and his job is to ENFORCE the rule to wear a mask. If anyone refuses to wear a mask the proper way, show them the door.

Is the guy supposed to check the masks for quality and is he also supposed to bust the people who are not wearing them properly? If I've got a cart full of groceries and the ear strap on my mask suddenly snaps and I can't wear my mask anymore, should I continue on to the checkout or should I immediately leave the store before Bruno tackles me and shoves me out?

There is just way too much vagueness out there and I don't think that businesses should be responsible for policing that nonsense. There is no completely safe, risk free way for an immune compromised person to be in a crowded venue. That is why it's important for the high risk people weigh the risk/rewards for themselves.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 08:59 PM
A business cannot require you to wear a mask only their employees. That being said they can refuse to serve you and ask you to leave.

Costco requires masks. No one is admitted without a mask. Every time I have been in Costco, everyone has worn their mask properly.

tophcfa
07-04-2020, 09:00 PM
Masket or casket, I choose the mask.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:14 PM
Even if they do not care about others — or themselves — why can’t the Anti-Maskers figure out that they are culpable in the impending total destruction of the bricks-and-mortar economy.

Even though I wear a mask, I am limiting going into stores because I do not want to deal with the Anti-Maskers.

When we have nothing left but a gaping maw of empty retail space, we will know what finally did it.

Bricks-and-mortar retail has been teetering on the brink for years, but the Anti-Maskers are nailing the coffin shut.

Btw, if you are an Anti-Masker and you have an investment portfolio that includes REITs, it is quite possible that you own a piece of that commercial retail property that could soon be empty — and could stay that way. Geez. Look around. Get a clue.

Cassandra Boomer

THANKS 100 times!!!!!!!!!

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:26 PM
Last I heard, you can't be charged with indecent exposure for not wearing a mask. Pretty sure that exposing one's face is not obscene. Although, with some folks it may be questionable. :a040:

But it just may kill someone!!!

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:33 PM
If a store has a sign requesting that people wear masks I won't go inside. Interestingly, when I walked up to a store, saw the sign and started to walk away, an employee waved me on into the store. There were others inside not wearing masks.

Who is safer? A symptomatic person wearing a mask or an asymptomatic person not wearing a mask? Would you rather pick up a can of green beans that a symptomatic (sick) mask wearer had touched or would you rather pick up the can that an asymptomatic (not sick) non wearing mask person had touched?

An asymptomtic person can be just as contagious as a symptomatic person. The mask wearing symptomatic person is safer to be around than the asymptomatic person not wearing a mask.

Schneil
07-04-2020, 09:35 PM
BMW: Back up, MASK UP, Wash up!!!
NO Mask No service!!!

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:36 PM
Which is safer: A room filled with 150 people uninfected non mask wearing people or a room filled with 150 mask wearing infected people all standing 3 feet apart?

Is this a trick question? Of course, the room with UNINFECTED people is safer. Anyone who is NOT infected is safe.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:43 PM
Common sense tells us that a person who is not infected with the Coronavirus can not spread the virus to anyone else.

A symptomatic infected person can spread the virus whether they are wearing a mask or not.

When a symptomatic person wears a mask, the chance of infecting someone else is significantly less than if they did not wear a mask. The mask blocks the droplets that contain the virus.

Asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people are infected and can transmit the virus to others. This is the reason for everyone to cover their faces in public when social distancing is not guaranteed.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:46 PM
No. I am not responsible for guarding your well being. That is your job. The construction and quality of these homemade masks and dust masks are a joke. Remember how Nancy Pelosi started off wearing those guazy fashion scarfs as her face covering.

How stupid do these politicians think that we are?

Home made masks block the droplets that contain the virus. I always do this check with every mask I wear. Every one of my masks has passed this test.Take a look at this.......

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0RcH9DfuyE)

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 09:51 PM
I choose not to wear a mask because it is useless against a virus. If you don't believe that, try sneezing thru one and see if your hand gets wet. If you are sick, don't go out. If not don't wear a mask. All you are doing is breathing in your own carbon dioxide and damaging your immune system which makes you even more susceptible to catching the virus. But people are sooo gullible so those of you who wear a mask, knock yourself out.

You can't be serious! Check out the video I just posted. I have checked all my cloth masks by spritzing water onto the fabric in front of a mirror, using at least 3 spritzes. NOT ONE DROP OF WATER LANDS ON THE MIRROR. A mask will certainly block droplets from a sneeze or ten.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 10:02 PM
Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

You are missing the point of what is being asked of us by the experts. We Americans need to wear masks to slow the spread of the virus. Slowing the spread of this virus will help our economy recover. It is really a simple concept.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 10:14 PM
Is the guy supposed to check the masks for quality and is he also supposed to bust the people who are not wearing them properly? If I've got a cart full of groceries and the ear strap on my mask suddenly snaps and I can't wear my mask anymore, should I continue on to the checkout or should I immediately leave the store before Bruno tackles me and shoves me out?

There is just way too much vagueness out there and I don't think that businesses should be responsible for policing that nonsense. There is no completely safe, risk free way for an immune compromised person to be in a crowded venue. That is why it's important for the high risk people weigh the risk/rewards for themselves.

One layer of paper towel blocks droplets so cloth does a great job of blocking droplets. I've checked using a water spritzer and gave those Bounty paper towels a really good dose of water. I have also checked every cloth mask I have purchased and every one has passed that test with flying colors. As for making sure people wear their masks properly.....that shouldn't be difficult to do at all.

Gulfcoast
07-04-2020, 10:19 PM
An asymptomtic person can be just as contagious as a symptomatic person. The mask wearing symptomatic person is safer to be around than the asymptomatic person not wearing a mask.

A symptomatic person with a mask on can still spread the virus to you. It's a fallacy to think that those masks are 100% protective because they are not. They offer minimal protection and a false sense of security.

coffeebean
07-04-2020, 11:38 PM
A symptomatic person with a mask on can still spread the virus to you. It's a fallacy to think that those masks are 100% protective because they are not. They offer minimal protection and a false sense of security.

Protection is more than minimal when everyone wears a mask. Have you heard about the two hair dressers who tested positive and worked on 140 customers? All customers and the two hair dressers wore masks and NONE of the customers tested positive. Those are pretty good odds IMHO.

Gulfcoast
07-05-2020, 12:08 AM
Protection is more than minimal when everyone wears a mask. Have you heard about the two hair dressers who tested positive and worked on 140 customers? All customers and the two hair dressers wore masks and NONE of the customers tested positive. Those are pretty good odds IMHO.

The hairdressers were probably asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic when they worked on the customers.

Had they been coughing/hacking into their homemade masks they likely would have spread the virus.

coffeebean
07-05-2020, 04:54 AM
The hairdressers were probably asymptomatic or very mildly symptomatic when they worked on the customers.

Had they been coughing/hacking into their homemade masks they likely would have spread the virus.

Had the hairdressers been coughing /hacking into their homemade masks, they would not have been working on customers. What customer would sit so close to someone who was coughing and hacking? Certainly not me.

One of the main problems and reason for the spread of this virus is the existence of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic carriers. They are the reason why we can not get a handle on the spread of the virus. The only way, besides an effective vaccine, to get the spread of this virus to slow down is to wear masks and social distance. Why is it so difficult to follow the science and listen the pleading of our experts. Our surgeon general has put out a desperate plea to Americans to wear masks. Americans are showing the world that we are spoiled and don't want to be told what to do and I'm embarrassed for how we look to the rest of the world. It is not a good look for us.

SouthJerseyGirl
07-05-2020, 11:25 AM
You cannot enter any store up north without a mask - which is why the numbers have decreased. FL is not smart at all.

coffeebean
07-05-2020, 01:29 PM
You cannot enter any store up north without a mask - which is why the numbers have decreased. FL is not smart at all.

Are the stores able to enforce mask wearing? Any fights or arguments from people who are not willing to wear a mask while in those stores? I'm concerned about confrontations. I've seen some here on the news and it is frightening to see an older man falling to the floor in a scuffle because he refuses to put on a mask. (one example). It is frightening to see a woman cough in someone's face because she was berated for not wearing a mask. These situations are happening here.

Is it a different mind set up north when mask wearing is mandated by the government? I surely hope so. The best thing to bring this virus under control is for DeSantis to mandate mask wearing.

Velvet
07-05-2020, 01:40 PM
I think it is mask phobia, you have to understand phobia in the first place. I used to think it was just vanity although most people look better in masks especially older people, but now I’m starting to realize it is a full blown phobia.

JoMar
07-05-2020, 01:59 PM
Oh well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. It's no excuse when I say it is not my responsibility to make you feel safe. Kind of like those that think that it is up to the wealthy to pay more taxes than others because if they don't, they are being selfish. I don't need to make excuses for how I feel, because I consider myself right..:)
I do find it interesting that some folks think that appearances and what other folks think of them is important.
Let me make this clear. It is selfish for anyone else to think that it is my responsibility to prevent them from catching a virus, flu or cold. If you feel vulnerable, then protect yourself.

Never served did you?

Byte1
07-05-2020, 06:15 PM
Being around someone that is infected does not guarantee that you are going to become infected. And you do NOT get the virus off of your mail. You do not get the virus from prepared food. Keeping yourself safe is YOUR responsibility ONLY. It is not mine. Most of the people that become infected do not even get treated, and most of the ones that do get treated recover. A very small percentage of folks infected die from it. From what I have heard, you cannot become immune to it without being exposed to it in some manner. Just stay 6 feet away from others and you don't need to worry. Only seven infected in the Villages portion of Sumter county have died. Wear your mask if you wish. Don't wear your mask if you wish. Either way is not bothering me. You can blame me all you want for your hysterical stress, but that is your problem, not mine. Do not think that you can make it mine, because unless there is a law making me do something, I do it on my own volition. Shaming someone is just another form of bullying, and I don't get bullied so you are wasting your time. I will say this one more time, I wear a homemade fabric mask when I go shopping. I do it because I chose to. As far as I am concerned it is a moot effort because I doubt anyone that I come near could infect me even if they had the virus. The chances of bumping into an exposed person in The Villages is? The chances of bumping into an infected person in The Villages and also becoming infected is? Since I only go shopping about once a week, the chances of bumping into an infected person once a week and also getting infected in The Villages is? See what I am saying? Like I said before, mass hysteria. BUT, I am glad that you all are concerned about yourselves and supposedly others. And be careful at the golf course, because the chances of you getting hit by a golf ball and killed is higher than you getting infected by someone in the Villages, while shopping.

theruizs
07-05-2020, 07:24 PM
Being around someone that is infected does not guarantee that you are going to become infected. And you do NOT get the virus off of your mail. You do not get the virus from prepared food. Keeping yourself safe is YOUR responsibility ONLY. It is not mine. Most of the people that become infected do not even get treated, and most of the ones that do get treated recover. A very small percentage of folks infected die from it. From what I have heard, you cannot become immune to it without being exposed to it in some manner. Just stay 6 feet away from others and you don't need to worry. Only seven infected in the Villages portion of Sumter county have died. Wear your mask if you wish. Don't wear your mask if you wish. Either way is not bothering me. You can blame me all you want for your hysterical stress, but that is your problem, not mine. Do not think that you can make it mine, because unless there is a law making me do something, I do it on my own volition. Shaming someone is just another form of bullying, and I don't get bullied so you are wasting your time. I will say this one more time, I wear a homemade fabric mask when I go shopping. I do it because I chose to. As far as I am concerned it is a moot effort because I doubt anyone that I come near could infect me even if they had the virus. The chances of bumping into an exposed person in The Villages is? The chances of bumping into an infected person in The Villages and also becoming infected is? Since I only go shopping about once a week, the chances of bumping into an infected person once a week and also getting infected in The Villages is? See what I am saying? Like I said before, mass hysteria. BUT, I am glad that you all are concerned about yourselves and supposedly others. And be careful at the golf course, because the chances of you getting hit by a golf ball and killed is higher than you getting infected by someone in the Villages, while shopping.

Fine, but sad that it will take a law to make many of us do what we should do for one another out of love of our fellow man. And actual science contradicts most of what you say. I would say all, but I can’t find a study comparing the many golf course deaths to the covid-19 deaths.

Byte1
07-06-2020, 08:53 AM
Never served did you?

Yes. And that means?

Byte1
07-06-2020, 09:13 AM
Fine, but sad that it will take a law to make many of us do what we should do for one another out of love of our fellow man. And actual science contradicts most of what you say. I would say all, but I can’t find a study comparing the many golf course deaths to the covid-19 deaths.

They can attempt to make a law that forces everyone to wear a mask but if taken to court it would likely lose. They may be able to get away with it IF they declare Marshal Law. I don't know. I find it kind of ironic that the country wants to defund the police and then ask them to enforce some mask wearing rule. Perhaps they would get Social Services to write citations? How will you enforce it? Perhaps making sure the mask is a certain material and construction? Will it have to be covering the nose and mouth? Will safety glasses be mandated also, because your eyes can absorb the virus. Will gloves be mandated? Who is going to decide when no two doctors agree? Will they force those that have breathing problems to wear masks?
Mask shaming is just another term for bullying. But, in order for either to succeed, one has to be put in fear. Sorry, but that trick does not work on me. Like I said, I wear my homemade fabric mask in businesses when shopping. When this first started, I also wore gloves and safety glasses. I have all of the protective gear. I also have a respirator that is certified to filter out lead when I am stripping lead paint. Much better than N95. I also have a military gas mask that is even better. But, I don't wear that stuff because I have learned enough about the emergency that assures me that the chances of me becoming infected is about a million to one...if even that. If I was you (and as scared) I would wrap myself in plastic wrap or a rain suit to make sure that I am not contaminated by the air.
I have no problem with anyone that wishes to wear a mask. Don't presume to shame me into wearing one just because YOU think (erroneously) that it will save your life. Stay six feet away from me and you will be fine. I breath out of my nose and I do not find it necessary to speak to anyone when I am shopping. I shop and get out of there and am not there to socialize.
Take care of yourselves and quit worrying about what others are doing. You will have less chance of having a stroke or heart attack.
If you make it through this alive then you can attribute it to being safe. If I make it through alive, you can tell everyone that I was LUCKY.
If you don't like how your neighbors are handling this situation, stay home. They are not responsible for your safety.

tophcfa
07-06-2020, 10:27 AM
Absolutely. We wouldn’t go into a store that did not.

DeanFL
07-06-2020, 01:45 PM
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Our experience a couple hours ago after golf, at Subway in Pinellas Shopping Center. When we walked in one employee had a full mask and gloves on - the other (turned out to be the Supervisor) had NO mask. For those who don't know Subway layout, the employees stand behind all the meat/cheese/veggie selections.
The front is protected by glass, but the back is WIDE OPEN if the employees "spittle" while talking etc. In "normal" time...OK I guess, but COVID times....
We wrote this email to Subway Customer Service>>>

Only one of two employees at the Pinellas Plaza location in The Villages, FL was wearing a mask when we entered for lunch. I was waiting to place my order with the gal who was wearing a mask, when the second employee asked what I wanted. She was not wearing a mask and I asked her to do so. She complied, but stated that it was not required at that location. I would ask that you change that policy. We are an over-55 community, with most of the residents in the vulnerable class. The employees have an open buffet of vegetables and other ingredients in front of them. When they communicate with the customers they are speaking over the food, where particles of their saliva can fall onto it. If they are asymptomatic for Covid, the virus can easily spread.

We sat down to eat and other customers approached this gal, who, after serving 2 or 3 other customers with the mask under her nose (which does not protect anyone), took it off altogether to serve others in line. I was appalled. She evidently isn't well-informed about the purpose of the mask. Please review your policies in light of the current pandemic guidelines. If masks are not mandated for food service personnel (as well as gloves, which they did wear), I will not eat there again.

Byte1
07-07-2020, 02:46 PM
Interesting how some folks will complain about an incident in a business, and yet they do not walk out. Kind of like eating the whole meal and then complaining to the manager about it being cold or something.

Byte1
07-07-2020, 03:43 PM
Is the question, Should stores require masks, or do you mean should stores be mandated to require masks?

EdFNJ
07-09-2020, 09:27 PM
Until the Governor mandates people wearing masks in public, the word “requested” is used. Florida is well beyond requesting that masks be worn. They should be MANDATED. Anyone refusing to wear one should be denied entry.
No really. An individual business has the right to REQUIRE masks and not serve you and some do despite what the Gov doesn't do. Off the top of my head that I have experienced: Costco, Trader Joe's, UPS Store, Starbucks (starting next week), Fresh Market, Disney Springs now, Disney World (if they open) next week. Costco will toss you out, most won't do that even if it was "required" but make sure to take a video when another customer complains to the person not wearing one. :D

2mnydogs
07-10-2020, 06:42 AM
My husband and I donated blood at the red bus. All of the health care workers wore masks, as did we and most of the other donors we saw waiting outside. There were four of us on the bus either in the process of donating or waiting to do so. A husband and wife wore no masks, nor did they limit their laughing and talking around everyone. I asked the nurse If masks were required and he said they were not allowed to Ask anyone to do so and were not allowed to turn anyone away. I told him I thought that it was very inconsiderate of people to put him and others at risk.

Villageswimmer
07-10-2020, 08:02 AM
In Publix Lake Deaton Plaza just after 7am opening yesterday, all Publix employees and all customers I saw wore masks. Two men stocking bread shelves, touching all packages, did not. I pointed that out to a manager. His answer was “since they’re not Publix employees, we have no control.”

Come on...Publix is likely their largest customer and they have no control of their vendors? Unacceptable.

Michael Charles
07-10-2020, 08:17 AM
In Publix Lake Deaton Plaza just after 7am opening yesterday, all Publix employees and all customers I saw wore masks. Two men stocking bread shelves, touching all packages, did not. I pointed that out to a manager. His answer was “since they’re not Publix employees, we have no control.”

Come on...Publix is likely their largest customer and they have no control of their vendors? Unacceptable.

I totally agree.

We must face the facts of the world in which we now live.

More and more people are afraid to offend anyone and more and more people are afraid to have any type of confrontation with others. Also, more and more people have a 'the heck with you' attitude and more and more people have an 'it's all about me' attitude.

Gulfcoast
07-10-2020, 09:12 AM
No really. An individual business has the right to REQUIRE masks and not serve you and some do despite what the Gov doesn't do. Off the top of my head that I have experienced: Costco, Trader Joe's, UPS Store, Starbucks (starting next week), Fresh Market, Disney Springs now, Disney World (if they open) next week. Costco will toss you out, most won't do that even if it was "required" but make sure to take a video when another customer complains to the person not wearing one. :D

I do not think that businesses should be put in the position of pandemic control, especially when it involves requiring the use of homemade masks. But if they want to request that masks be worn in their stores, I would abide by their request.

I do not think that the government should mandate mask wearing.

Gulfcoast
07-10-2020, 09:18 AM
I totally agree.

We must face the facts of the world in which we now live.

More and more people are afraid to offend anyone and more and more people are afraid to have any type of confrontation with others. Also, more and more people have a 'the heck with you' attitude and more and more people have an 'it's all about me' attitude.

I literally heard an infection disease physician state in a news article that he only wears a cloth mask to show that he cares. For him, it's nothing more than virtue signaling apparently.

I suppose that I care about others enough not to insult their intelligence and give them a false sense of security. But that's just me.

linedancingdottie
07-11-2020, 08:49 AM
Yes, I saw at least one other store (maybe City Furniture?) with a sign that said "required masks." Yes, I think the stores need to step up their game and and make a mask a requirement for all. And maybe have some masks available for patrons who simply don't care enough bring one with them and for those who honestly forget their masks when leaving the house.

retiredguy123
07-11-2020, 09:12 AM
If you believe in masks, I think it is a great idea for stores to have masks available for customers who don't have one. They are very available and cheap now. And, stores have the right to require customers to wear a mask and to refuse entry to those that won't. I don't think that enforcing the rule would be difficult and it would not hurt business.

fishon
07-11-2020, 12:08 PM
Should stores require masks?

Nope.

Can they?

Sure.