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Number 10 GI
07-04-2020, 04:33 PM
Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull ignorance. I have read numerous books by holocaust survivors, watched many, many documentaries on the holocaust and have personally visited the Dachau death camp. There is no way a person can understand how brutal and savage it was unless they lived it. I know I can only imagine what it was like.

In one book I read it told of how the Sonderkommando, death camp prisoners in work groups that were forced with threats of their own death to dispose of gas chamber victims, would take live babies that survived the gas and swing them by the feet smashing their heads against a post killing them. It was either this or throw a live baby into the ovens. I can go on with other stories like this but I hope you get the point.

If I were a death camp surviving Jew, a Gypsy, a homosexual, or a political prisoner it would seriously anger me to see the name Nazi used just for political character assassination against a person who is nothing like a Nazi.

TexaninVA
07-04-2020, 04:45 PM
Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull ignorance. I have read numerous books by holocaust survivors, watched many, many documentaries on the holocaust and have personally visited the Dachau death camp. There is no way a person can understand how brutal and savage it was unless they lived it. I know I can only imagine what it was like.

In one book I read it told of how the Sonderkommando, death camp prisoners in work groups that were forced with threats of their own death to dispose of gas chamber victims, would take live babies that survived the gas and swing them by the feet smashing their heads against a post killing them. It was either this or throw a live baby into the ovens. I can go on with other stories like this but I hope you get the point.

If I were a death camp surviving Jew, a Gypsy, a homosexual, or a political prisoner it would seriously anger me to see the name Nazi used just for political character assassination against a person who is nothing like a Nazi.


You're correct.

If one is making an argument, and the person you're talking to calls you a "Nazi" (or "racist" or various other terms) that's 24 carat proof their mental tank has run out of gas.

They can't argue coherently, or use reason to rebut, but they remember back to kindergarten and know how to call someone a name.

Humorous actually ... albeit unintentional.


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Velvet
07-04-2020, 04:50 PM
It shows lack of ability to articulate. My father was put in jail as a soldier because he refused to do what the (real) Nazi’s told him to do. Their inhumanity to man can’t be described. I find it just silly for the term to be used by ignorant individuals.

Bucco
07-04-2020, 05:17 PM
You're correct.

If one is making an argument, and the person you're talking to calls you a "Nazi" (or "racist" or various other terms) that's 24 carat proof their mental tank has run out of gas.

They can't argue coherently, or use reason to rebut, but they remember back to kindergarten and know how to call someone a name.

Humorous actually ... albeit unintentional.


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Name calling...even making up cute names seems to be popular.

You are right...it does, in fact, replace honest open discussion

Number 10 GI
07-04-2020, 05:52 PM
It shows lack of ability to articulate. My father was put in jail as a soldier because he refused to do what the (real) Nazi’s told him to do. Their inhumanity to man can’t be described. I find it just silly for the term to be used by ignorant individuals.

My wife's uncle was a lower ranking officer in the WWII German army. He served with a childhood friend and was ordered to execute his friend. It was late in the war when things were going bad for the Nazis and his friend was too vocal about the futility of fighting any longer. Her uncle couldn't kill his friend so they both deserted and surrendered to the Allies.

LoisR
07-04-2020, 06:44 PM
You can't deny the truth. Leadership has responsibilities. One is honesty. Another is freedom of speech. Restrain or manipulate either and one begins to mimic Nazi leadership philosophy.

tophcfa
07-04-2020, 07:30 PM
If someone stood in front of my golf cart and called me a nazi (and other obscenities as well) I would very quickly become really upset. In fact, I might even risk damaging my golf cart to bump the obnoxious idiot out of the way, and hopefully shut them up for a little while.

anothersteve
07-04-2020, 07:30 PM
What ever happened to "I know you are ..but what am I" ? Life was sooo much simpler back then

Steve

Gulfcoast
07-04-2020, 07:58 PM
If someone stood in front of my golf cart and called me a nazi (and other obscenities as well) I would very quickly become really upset. In fact, I might even risk damaging my golf cart to bump the obnoxious idiot out of the way, and hopefully shut them up for a little while.

And that is exactly the reaction that they are trying to provoke. When someone starts to verbally assault you and prevent you from getting away from them by standing in front of your golf cart, that is not peaceful and that is no longer a protest. That's an attack.

JGVillages
07-04-2020, 08:17 PM
If someone stood in front of my golf cart and called me a nazi (and other obscenities as well) I would very quickly become really upset. In fact, I might even risk damaging my golf cart to bump the obnoxious idiot out of the way, and hopefully shut them up for a little while.

If my golf cart was blocked I would pick up my phone and at first mimic dialing 911 and ask (no one at first) to dispatch the police. If that didn’t work I would do it for real. If I was legitimately threatened I would defend my self. If they were just slinging names I would just laugh at their stupidity and move on.

Number 10 GI
07-04-2020, 09:08 PM
You can't deny the truth. Leadership has responsibilities. One is honesty. Another is freedom of speech. Restrain or manipulate either and one begins to mimic Nazi leadership philosophy.

Who is restricting freedom of speech or manipulating it? Only in your imagination.

tophcfa
07-04-2020, 09:10 PM
If my golf cart was blocked I would pick up my phone and at first mimic dialing 911 and ask (no one at first) to dispatch the police. If that didn’t work I would do it for real. If I was legitimately threatened I would defend my self. If they were just slinging names I would just laugh at their stupidity and move on.

You have way more patience than I do. I guess that’s why I never became a doctor, I have no patients.

mamamia54
07-04-2020, 09:32 PM
What ever happened to "I know you are ..but what am I" ? Life was sooo much simpler back then

Steve

Or

I’m rubber your glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

Good ole days!

GOLFER54
07-05-2020, 05:06 AM
The word Nazi, and Racist are so overused in calling someone who disagrees with another persons thinking is used to provoke a reaction. Best way to deal with these type of insults is to realize that person who says such hateful words is ignorant and should be ignored, which in turn they will get ZERO attention.

DMoring
07-05-2020, 05:35 AM
That was probably the single most horrific act that's been done against man. Nobody should be accused of being a Nazi because they have different political views from your own.

George Page
07-05-2020, 05:36 AM
Calling someone a Nazi today shows a depth of historical ignorance and diminishes the devastation of the Holocaust. This is a Nazi........

PugMom
07-05-2020, 05:41 AM
The word Nazi, and Racist are so overused in calling someone who disagrees with another persons thinking is used to provoke a reaction. Best way to deal with these type of insults is to realize that person who says such hateful words is ignorant and should be ignored, which in turn they will get ZERO attention.

i agree. the words have lost their impact.

La lamy
07-05-2020, 05:44 AM
Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull ignorance. I have read numerous books by holocaust survivors, watched many, many documentaries on the holocaust and have personally visited the Dachau death camp. There is no way a person can understand how brutal and savage it was unless they lived it. I know I can only imagine what it was like.

In one book I read it told of how the Sonderkommando, death camp prisoners in work groups that were forced with threats of their own death to dispose of gas chamber victims, would take live babies that survived the gas and swing them by the feet smashing their heads against a post killing them. It was either this or throw a live baby into the ovens. I can go on with other stories like this but I hope you get the point.

If I were a death camp surviving Jew, a Gypsy, a homosexual, or a political prisoner it would seriously anger me to see the name Nazi used just for political character assassination against a person who is nothing like a Nazi.

I understand your point of view, but not all nazis killed people. It was an ideology that led a nation to believe in white christian supremacy. That ideology sure is present in many a racist American.

Don5154
07-05-2020, 06:34 AM
That was probably the single most horrific act that's been done against man. Nobody should be accused of being a Nazi because they have different political views from your own.

Well I guess those who don’t know history will just continue to stand on the street corning spouting garbage and acting like a lunatic with a trash mouth. Her mother must be proud of her everytime the video pops up on the internet.

Debfrommaine
07-05-2020, 07:23 AM
Saw the woman in the video here in The Villages using such horrid language, clearly she has some mental issues. While vile also sad for her.

jacksonbrown
07-05-2020, 07:23 AM
Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull (sic) ignorance.

However, I too believer that "white power" was taken out of context (a favorite tactic of MSM "news").

Guitarman1951
07-05-2020, 07:26 AM
Amen. It's usually the younger radicals that do that. Just more proof that our educational system is failing.

Aloha1
07-05-2020, 07:32 AM
I understand your point of view, but not all nazis killed people. It was an ideology that led a nation to believe in white christian supremacy. That ideology sure is present in many a racist American.

Speaking of revisionist history... Whether directly or indirectly, ALL Nazi's killed people - over 50 million of them. Guess the fact that many Christian Pastors and other religious leaders were sent to concentration camps is a lie right? Maybe you never learned that Hitler wanted to reestablish the Old Norse religion?

billethkid
07-05-2020, 07:33 AM
Out of the hundreds of millions of Americans we choose to spend our time discussing the less than one percent!!!!

Worse, however, is to portray that less than one percent as representative of most Americans!!!

Thanx to the media amplifiers and parrots.

Dlbonivich
07-05-2020, 07:44 AM
I have been calling a racist numerous times because I support the President. Unfortunately the left can not articulate an argument and since history is no longer taught in school, they do not know what they are saying.

PJackpot
07-05-2020, 08:32 AM
Anyone who starts in with that kind of name calling, just loses all credibility with me. No sense in even speaking to someone in that frame of mind.

OhioBuckeye
07-05-2020, 09:45 AM
To me calling someone a Nazi, I think they mean calling someone a Nazi they’re probably referring to someone voting for a certain political party. It’s like I’ve heard several times at work where I hear one black person calling another black person the “N” word. I just don’t get to excited about it. If someone says something you don’t like, just get away from them! Don’t argue with them to a point to get into a fight, it’s not worth it!

MandoMan
07-05-2020, 09:46 AM
I agree. There was a farmer near my house who for eight years posted an eight foot sign calling our previous president a Socialist. Anyone who bothered to study up on socialism would realize that is untrue. Accuracy is more important than name-calling.

Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull ignorance. I have read numerous books by holocaust survivors, watched many, many documentaries on the holocaust and have personally visited the Dachau death camp. There is no way a person can understand how brutal and savage it was unless they lived it. I know I can only imagine what it was like.

In one book I read it told of how the Sonderkommando, death camp prisoners in work groups that were forced with threats of their own death to dispose of gas chamber victims, would take live babies that survived the gas and swing them by the feet smashing their heads against a post killing them. It was either this or throw a live baby into the ovens. I can go on with other stories like this but I hope you get the point.

If I were a death camp surviving Jew, a Gypsy, a homosexual, or a political prisoner it would seriously anger me to see the name Nazi used just for political character assassination against a person who is nothing like a Nazi.

OhioBuckeye
07-05-2020, 09:54 AM
You made a good point, today’s parents sometimes do say to many things they shouldn’t in front of their children. Maybe TOTV should post a question, “Where do some children learn violent behavior & bad manners”. You made a very good point in your comment!

BHWitcher
07-05-2020, 10:07 AM
If you are referring to the black shirted woman at our recent national news shame, she was obnoxious. I think the “white power” remark was in response to her abuse. I humbly apologize to our African Americans living in TV. Stop hating, we all bleed red, have families and are frightened for them. I do not agree with the violence of the marches but can you imagine having “the talk” with your son or grandson. Black Lives Do Matter!

Eg_cruz
07-05-2020, 10:29 AM
Calling someone a Nazi because you don't like their political/social/personal beliefs totally diminishes what Nazis and Nazi Germany was like and reflects the name caller's lack of intelligence and wilfull ignorance. I have read numerous books by holocaust survivors, watched many, many documentaries on the holocaust and have personally visited the Dachau death camp. There is no way a person can understand how brutal and savage it was unless they lived it. I know I can only imagine what it was like.

In one book I read it told of how the Sonderkommando, death camp prisoners in work groups that were forced with threats of their own death to dispose of gas chamber victims, would take live babies that survived the gas and swing them by the feet smashing their heads against a post killing them. It was either this or throw a live baby into the ovens. I can go on with other stories like this but I hope you get the point.

If I were a death camp surviving Jew, a Gypsy, a homosexual, or a political prisoner it would seriously anger me to see the name Nazi used just for political character assassination against a person who is nothing like a Nazi.
Thank you.....I couldn’t agree with you more. A TV show “Station 19” compared US ICE to that of the Nazi. Have not watch the show since because it is beyond unresponsible for a TV show to make such a statement.

TexaninVA
07-05-2020, 10:42 AM
I understand your point of view, but not all nazis killed people. It was an ideology that led a nation to believe in white christian supremacy. That ideology sure is present in many a racist American.

For anyone to say that Nazism reflected "white Christian supremacy" is woefully misinformed.

It's well known that Adolph Hitler hated Christianity, Catholicism in particular. By contrast, it's also common knowledge that Hitler greatly admired Islam specifically for its militant fighting spirit.

Number 10 GI
07-05-2020, 10:43 AM
I understand your point of view, but not all nazis killed people. It was an ideology that led a nation to believe in white christian supremacy. That ideology sure is present in many a racist American.

They were all responsible for the holocaust, they supported the government that did the killing. Germans who lived in the city of Dachau claimed they knew nothing about what happened in the camp. BS, trains brought thousands of people into the camp but nobody questioned where they went because no trains took people away. The chimneys spewed black smoke with a burnt flesh odor daily. The camp was ringed with electrified barbed wire fences at least 12' high.

I do understand why many who disagreed with the regime didn't say anything. If they did they got an all expense paid vacation to the local concentration camp.

Nazism had no religion, they espoused an Aryan superiority over lesser races but they weren't Christian. The only thing religious about the holocaust was the Nazis hatred of Judaism and the people who practiced it. The Nazi leadership was either agnostic or atheist. In many countries you see elected leaders doing photo ops at a church but I've never read or seen anything similar by a Nazi leader. Hitler was definitely an atheist.

ficoguy
07-05-2020, 10:51 AM
I don't think anyone survived Zyklon B to have that happen. There was one incident of a teen girl who must have been pressed against the floor and was still alive. The SK went to the SS to ask if she could be spared. The response was they would spare her being gassed again, but would receive a shot in the back of the head. Normally they would pack the chamber and throw those too small to stand on top of the standees...,its all in the book by some guy named Schlomo...

Number 10 GI
07-05-2020, 11:04 AM
I don't think anyone survived Zyklon B to have that happen. There was one incident of a teen girl who must have been pressed against the floor and was still alive. The SK went to the SS to ask if she could be spared. The response was they would spare her being gassed again, but would receive a shot in the back of the head. Normally they would pack the chamber and throw those too small to stand on top of the standees...,its all in the book by some guy named Schlomo...

There were many death camps in Europe during the war, what happened at one camp may not have happened at another. The author of the book was a Sonderkommando in one camp who described what he and other members had to do.

Velvet
07-05-2020, 11:42 AM
During the Progrom the Jewish families were round up and had to march down the street to the train station, my mother went outside to watch. A little child was carrying an apple. She dropped it and it rolled away. As the child reached for it a Nazi soldier kicked it away. My mother picked up the apple and handed it back to the child. The soldier struck my mother with his rifle because she did that.

tophcfa
07-05-2020, 12:29 PM
I have been calling a racist numerous times because I support the President. Unfortunately the left can not articulate an argument and since history is no longer taught in school, they do not know what they are saying.

I have been called sexist because I didn't support Hilary Clinton and racist because I didn't support Obama. It's not about race or sex, it's about political ideology. I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a heartbeat if she was running for president.

Number 10 GI
07-05-2020, 01:02 PM
I have been called sexist because I didn't support Hilary Clinton and racist because I didn't support Obama. It's not about race or sex, it's about political ideology. I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a heartbeat if she was running for president.

Unfortunately for us and fortunate for her is that she is too smart to open herself up to the anal probe the opposition and media will use to find anything to use against her.

Rosebud1949
07-05-2020, 01:15 PM
This is history........ NAZI"s are history, YES A VERY BAD PART OF IT....... While everyone seems to be trying to obliterate HISTORY... TRY LEARNING FROM IT....... Remember .. if you vote stupid you get stupid..try ignoring stupid for a little bit longer...

JoMar
07-05-2020, 02:20 PM
Some years ago I attended a P-61 Reunion of WWII crews or their survivors families. At my dinner table of 8 was a German who was a Luftwaffe night fighter. He was given honorary status of the group since he did the same role as the Americans. We got into a discussion and he made it clear he was not a Nazi but he was a German. One did not need to belong to the the "party" to fight for your Country. He had a disdain for Nazi's. What hurt him the most was that for many years all Germans were considered Nazi's. What was impressive, at least to me, was the acceptance of both sides by both sides. Not sure if anyone saw the 50th reunion at Gettysburg where Confederate and Union soldiers were shaking hands and breaking bread together. I also had the opportunity back in the 80's to be at Pearl Harbor listening to both Americans who were there during the attack and Japanese who were attacking sitting together and talking about what happened that day from both perspectives. Seems those that serve sometimes have a different perspective then those that report it.

LoisR
07-05-2020, 05:55 PM
Read the newspapers. A clear and unfetid mind will always find the truth.

Dilligas
07-05-2020, 05:59 PM
You can't deny the truth. Leadership has responsibilities. One is honesty. Another is freedom of speech. Restrain or manipulate either and one begins to mimic Nazi leadership philosophy.
You have got to be kidding.....that description, regardless of who you are describing does not deserve to be called a Nazi, nor any other derogative name. You need to go back to school and study your history.

Byte1
07-05-2020, 06:40 PM
I understand your point of view, but not all nazis killed people. It was an ideology that led a nation to believe in white christian supremacy. That ideology sure is present in many a racist American.

No, not many. Some are good at suggesting and convincing that it is many. But, the truth is that there are very few. Besides, even though I have known a few racially biased individuals, not one of them ever suggested ill will toward anyone, and not one of them treated anyone different due to their color. So, it is possible for some to be "racists" and be better human beings than many hypocrites that I have known throughout my life. Some of us were raised to be color blind and treat everyone as we would wish to be treated.

La lamy
07-06-2020, 05:51 AM
They were all responsible for the holocaust, they supported the government that did the killing. Germans who lived in the city of Dachau claimed they knew nothing about what happened in the camp. BS, trains brought thousands of people into the camp but nobody questioned where they went because no trains took people away. The chimneys spewed black smoke with a burnt flesh odor daily. The camp was ringed with electrified barbed wire fences at least 12' high.

I do understand why many who disagreed with the regime didn't say anything. If they did they got an all expense paid vacation to the local concentration camp.

Nazism had no religion, they espoused an Aryan superiority over lesser races but they weren't Christian. The only thing religious about the holocaust was the Nazis hatred of Judaism and the people who practiced it. The Nazi leadership was either agnostic or atheist. In many countries you see elected leaders doing photo ops at a church but I've never read or seen anything similar by a Nazi leader. Hitler was definitely an atheist.

Thank you for clarification. I stand corrected!

Rennirommel1969
07-06-2020, 08:47 AM
I grew up in Germany and talked with many men who served in the wermach. Most deserted after the refused to execute POW.

sallybowron
07-06-2020, 09:23 AM
Sticks and stones will hurt my bones, but names will never kill me.

2daisy
07-06-2020, 10:37 AM
Anyone who starts in with that kind of name calling, just loses all credibility with me. No sense in even speaking to someone in that frame of mind.
I agree!:bigbow:

graciegirl
07-06-2020, 11:23 AM
Read the newspapers. A clear and unfetid mind will always find the truth.

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Bucco
07-06-2020, 11:33 AM
The word Nazi is bandied about a lot and I do not believe most know why that is.

Instead of risking it, I suggest weigh our governments last few statements and then google this word....

GLEICHSCHALTUNG

Add statements made by very influential folks a few years ago and you can see the concern, and why I, personally, consider the real danger is not from the folks that we demean on here because of skin color, but those we empower with our words, and enabling.

Velvet
07-06-2020, 11:36 AM
They were all responsible for the holocaust, they supported the government that did the killing. Germans who lived in the city of Dachau claimed they knew nothing about what happened in the camp. BS, trains brought thousands of people into the camp but nobody questioned where they went because no trains took people away. The chimneys spewed black smoke with a burnt flesh odor daily. The camp was ringed with electrified barbed wire fences at least 12' high.

I do understand why many who disagreed with the regime didn't say anything. If they did they got an all expense paid vacation to the local concentration camp.

Nazism had no religion, they espoused an Aryan superiority over lesser races but they weren't Christian. The only thing religious about the holocaust was the Nazis hatred of Judaism and the people who practiced it. The Nazi leadership was either agnostic or atheist. In many countries you see elected leaders doing photo ops at a church but I've never read or seen anything similar by a Nazi leader. Hitler was definitely an atheist.

In high school I had a classmate who was German. He told me his mother had voted for Hitler in the first election. I asked him how could she?! He said she was rural, dirt poor they had no food and he was born with a bone deficiency because of it. Hitler said he would put bread on every German table... but he didn’t say how he would do it. By the time they found out what a monster he was, he was already established. My classmates brother was a soldier, he committed suicide. My classmate felt guilty about Hitler every day for the rest of his life and died young himself.

Gulfcoast
07-06-2020, 01:17 PM
In high school I had a classmate who was German. He told me his mother had voted for Hitler in the first election. I asked him how could she?! He said she was rural, dirt poor they had no food and he was born with a bone deficiency because of it. Hitler said he would put bread on every German table... but he didn’t say how he would do it. By the time they found out what a monster he was, he was already established. My classmates brother was a soldier, he committed suicide. My classmate felt guilty about Hitler every day for the rest of his life and died young himself.

That is absolutely tragic. It just shows how vulnerable people can be so easily swayed by evil, smooth talking people. It isn't wrong to want bread on every table but, of course, the people voting for "bread" were not also voting for mass genocide. The bread was just the offering used to buy their vote.

We've seen charismatic evil incite riots, devastation and destruction in cities. Once vibrant communities have been turned into smoldering dumps overnight. And for what? Who has benefited from this chaos? Those residents are going to be looking at and living with that mess for a long time. It's sad.

Now these "leaders" want to defund the police? A 3 year old got shot in his car seat and a 4 year old got shot through his bedroom window while he slept in bed.

All I can say is be careful who you align yourself with. And when something does not make sense - question it. Just because a "leader" or an "expert" says it doesn't mean that it is right or good for you. If this was good and right so many people would not be getting hurt.

jebartle
07-06-2020, 02:10 PM
If someone stood in front of my golf cart and called me a nazi (and other obscenities as well) I would very quickly become really upset. In fact, I might even risk damaging my golf cart to bump the obnoxious idiot out of the way, and hopefully shut them up for a little while.

And that would prove what? That maybe you have lowered yourself to their level, not a good look.

TooColdNJ
07-06-2020, 07:48 PM
You can't deny the truth. Leadership has responsibilities. One is honesty. Another is freedom of speech. Restrain or manipulate either and one begins to mimic Nazi leadership philosophy.

Well said!

And it takes too long to call them lying, brainwashing, egotistical, psychopathic, dominant, power-hungry, dangerous,