Unbelievable escalation of inner city killings...and...shh>silence.

[DeanFL]

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63 people were shot, 16 fatally between 6 p.m. Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday.
Three of those fatal shootings victims were minors, police said.


The KILLINGS CONTINUE - Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen?

NOPE>>> Chicago

I was born/raised in the city - B on B violence has always been a very sad problem.
BUT...now - inner city Chicago USA is our Kabul Afghanistan.

Every week - new records of killings. Every week, virtual silence, esp by Minority Leaders. Where are THEY? Oh yeah - at Black Lives Matter rallies. Yeah - BLM if a law enforcement officer is involved. If it's their gangs or bros, shhhh. Hard to believe that so many of our minority people need to live (or die) in crime-ridden areas as that. One solution = Defund Police. That should do it.

WHEN will this unbelievable issue get the Media notoriety and Community action it deserves? until then...shhhh.

CHICAGO VIOLENCE
Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city

CHICAGO'S CRIME WAVEPublished 3 hours ago
Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed
"We are making progress ... but we have to do better," Mayor Lori Lightfoot says

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago violence: 7 children killed in shootings in last 2 weeks, police say
Chicago murders, shootings rose sharply in June 2020, police say

Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city - ABC7 Chicago (https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-violence-shooting/6280115/)

Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-erupts-in-july-4-gunfire-with-girl-7-and-boy-14-among-those-killed)
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[Stu from NYC]

The world we live in, ok to kill your neighbors but if one cop does something wrong the world explodes

[John41]

No one, especially the media, wants to acknowledge the actual problem.

[Kenswing]

And the weekend isn't even over yet..

[dewilson58]

One of many reasons BLM is a joke.


Now we have Red LM, Yellow LM.


Divide, Divide, Divide.


:ohdear:

[TexaninVA]

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63 people were shot, 16 fatally between 6 p.m. Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday.
Three of those fatal shootings victims were minors, police said.


The KILLINGS CONTINUE - Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen?

NOPE>>> Chicago

I was born/raised in the city - B on B violence has always been a very sad problem.
BUT...now - inner city Chicago USA is our Kabul Afghanistan.

Every week - new records of killings. Every week, virtual silence, esp by Minority Leaders. Where are THEY? Oh yeah - at Black Lives Matter rallies. Yeah - BLM if a law enforcement officer is involved. If it's their gangs or bros, shhhh. Hard to believe that so many of our minority people need to live (or die) in crime-ridden areas as that. One solution = Defund Police. That should do it.

WHEN will this unbelievable issue get the Media notoriety and Community action it deserves? until then...shhhh.

CHICAGO VIOLENCE
Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city

CHICAGO'S CRIME WAVEPublished 3 hours ago
Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed
"We are making progress ... but we have to do better," Mayor Lori Lightfoot says

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago violence: 7 children killed in shootings in last 2 weeks, police say
Chicago murders, shootings rose sharply in June 2020, police say

Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city - ABC7 Chicago (https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-violence-shooting/6280115/)

Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-erupts-in-july-4-gunfire-with-girl-7-and-boy-14-among-those-killed)
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A reasonable conclusion, based on your data, is that Black lives really don't matter if it's black on black crime in Chicago.

Does anyone think that conclusion is "racist?" Be interested to hear why if that's the case.

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[Kenswing]

And in South Carolina. No mention of race but there was a popular rapper everyone came out to see in violation of the state's Covid rules, so I'm guessing it wasn't an NRA get together..
2 dead, 8 injured in nightclub shooting (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/least-12-people-shot-nightclub-shooting-093827331--abc-news-topstories.html)

Two people are dead and eight people have been injured after a shooting at a South Carolina nightclub early Sunday morning.

The incident took place at Lavish Lounge in Greenville, South Carolina, just before 2 a.m. on Sunday morning when a Greenville County sheriff’s deputies saw a large commotion outside the establishment and called for backup due to “active gunfire from inside the building, according to Greenville County Sheriff’s spokesperson Lt. Jimmy Bolt.

According to Sheriff Hobart Lewis, there were several hundred people inside the nightclub at the time of the shooting which was a direct violation of Governor Henry McMaster’s executive order restricting nightclubs and any type of concert.

A post on Lavish Lounge's Facebook page advertised a July 4 performance by trap rapper Foogiano.

Sheriff Lewis confirmed that a group was performing at the time of the incident and that band members were involved in shooting.

[Number 10 GI]

Here is something Jesse Jackson said, “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Quote by Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me at this sta...” (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/5978-there-is-nothing-more-painful-to-me-at-this-stage)

[blueash]

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)

[Stu from NYC]

You lose me when you neglect to point that one of the biggest wants of blm is defunding police.

If blm would support family values of blacks that would be a lot more helpful imho.

Not to mention if you dont want to do time dont do the crime.

Less criminal activity less encounters with the police

[Stu from NYC]

Here is something Jesse Jackson said, “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Quote by Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me at this sta...” (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/5978-there-is-nothing-more-painful-to-me-at-this-stage)

wow

[TexaninVA]

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)

All very noble sounding except ...

1. Blacks commit more crimes that whites per capita, hence they have more interactions with police.

2. More blacks are killed by blacks, by far, that rogue or racist cops

3. BLM is basically a front for cultural Marxism and the strategic objective IMO is to replace the "culture of 1776" with the "culture of 1619."

BLM co-founder describes herself as 'trained Marxist' (https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/)

4. In other words, BLM and their white-guilt liberal supporters, generally speaking, hate America as founded and are determined to change it or torch it depending on the level of adventurousness, age and inclination to break the law.

That's why they topple not just Confederate statues but also Columbus, Lincoln, Grant, abolitionists, Francis Scott Key etc etc etc. In other words, anything that's tied to Western Civilization. One of the BLM leaders stated about a week ago the "white Jesus and his European Mother" need to go or words to that effect.


This is not that hard to figure out.


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[GoodLife]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

BLM movement started after Trayvon Martin got shot while beating Zimmerman's head against the pavement. Jury ruled not guilty on all counts after the evidence was revealed.

Then they got on the "hands up don't shoot" bandwagon which turned out to be a complete lie. This is when BLM shot to national fame. Brown wasn’t surrendering and didn’t say don’t shoot. And he wasn’t a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the “Gentle Giant” he was portrayed at in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his police car, tried to grab Wilson’s service pistol, and was shot when he charged Wilson a second time.

A jury may convict some Police of something in Floyd's case, we'll have to see when all the evidence is produced and a jury sees it. We don't convict people in this country solely from videos.

State sponsored racism or violence towards blacks is not systemic, its a miniscule problem compared to black crime statistics and black on black violence. Those problems are truly systemic and are caused by blacks themselves.

[Stu from NYC]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

BLM movement started after Trayvon Martin got shot while beating Zimmerman's head against the pavement. Jury ruled not guilty on all counts after the evidence was revealed.

Then they got on the "hands up don't shoot" bandwagon which turned out to be a complete lie. This is when BLM shot to national fame. Brown wasn’t surrendering and didn’t say don’t shoot. And he wasn’t a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the “Gentle Giant” he was portrayed at in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his police car, tried to grab Wilson’s service pistol, and was shot when he charged Wilson a second time.

A jury may convict some Police of something in Floyd's case, we'll have to see when all the evidence is produced and a jury sees it. We don't convict people in this country solely from videos.

State sponsored racism or violence towards blacks is not systemic, its a miniscule problem compared to black crime statistics and black on black violence. Those problems are truly systemic and are caused by blacks themselves.

The media will convict on videos or apple pies or anything that promotes its agenda

[Stu from NYC]

All very noble sounding except ...

1. Blacks commit more crimes that whites per capita, hence they have more interactions with police.

2. More blacks are killed by blacks, by far, that rogue or racist cops

3. BLM is basically a front for cultural Marxism and the strategic objective IMO is to replace the "culture of 1776" with the "culture of 1619."

BLM co-founder describes herself as 'trained Marxist' (https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/)

4. In other words, BLM and their white-guilt liberal supporters, generally speaking, hate America as founded and are determined to change it or torch it depending on the level of adventurousness, age and inclination to break the law.

That's why they topple not just Confederate statues but also Columbus, Lincoln, Grant, abolitionists, Francis Scott Key etc etc etc. In other words, anything that's tied to Western Civilization. One of the BLM leaders stated about a week ago the "white Jesus and his European Mother" need to go or words to that effect.


This is not that hard to figure out.


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Well said

[Girlcopper]

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)
OMG. Scarey thought if you actually believe what you just posted. Expand your knowledge and see what BLM is really about!

[2mnydogs]

I agree that the actions of rogue cops needs to be addressed. There are many sociopaths carrying guns with the sole intent to shoot someone. Sadly, some of them are cops. However there is a two-headed snake at work here. Out of control youth, whether they be white, black, brown or yellow. They are looting, because now they can. They are killing each other and collateral innocents because now they can. They have no fear, no respect, no family values and no self respect. Parents have lost control and have no idea about how to regain it. If anything is systemic, this is where it started - absentee parents.

[Jima64]

Group doing the most complaining doing the most killing , but hey, easy because they can blame the problems on others. I say hone those shooting skills and lock and load,

[noslices1]

[QUOTE=DeanFL;1798087].
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63 people were shot, 16 fatally between 6 p.m. Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday.
Three of those fatal shootings victims were minors, police said.


The KILLINGS CONTINUE - Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen?

NOPE>>> Chicago

I was born/raised in the city - B on B violence has always been a very sad problem.
BUT...now - inner city Chicago USA is our Kabul Afghanistan.

Every week - new records of killings. Every week, virtual silence, esp by Minority Leaders. Where are THEY? Oh yeah - at Black Lives Matter rallies. Yeah - BLM if a law enforcement officer is involved. If it's their gangs or bros, shhhh. Hard to believe that so many of our minority people need to live (or die) in crime-ridden areas as that. One solution = Defund Police. That should do it.

WHEN will this unbelievable issue get the Media notoriety and Community action it deserves? until then...shhhh.

CHICAGO VIOLENCE
Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city

CHICAGO'S CRIME WAVEPublished 3 hours ago
Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed
"We are making progress ... but we have to do better," Mayor Lori Lightfoot says

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago violence: 7 children killed in shootings in last 2 weeks, police say
Chicago murders, shootings rose sharply in June 2020, police say

Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city - ABC7 Chicago (https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-violence-shooting/6280115/)

Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-erupts-in-july-4-gunfire-with-girl-7-and-boy-14-among-those-killed)
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Maybe they should just let them keep shooting each other. Blacks, Whites, Antifa, BLM....ALL of them. Let them thin the herd to a manageable level. Just try to protect all the kids.

[ficoguy]

Say their names, Mainstream Media!

[Bradfinstrom]

Maybe he's a realist,and not a racist

[jbrown132]

The world we live in, ok to kill your neighbors but if one cop does something wrong the world explodes
Who was it that said something like “If you kill thousands it’s a statistic but if you kill one it’s a tragedy”

[Dana1963]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

[kkeennyy]

Let them Kill each other, Thats OK !!!!!!!

[Jim1mack]

And single motherhood.

[ffresh]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

:ohdear:

Fred

[Chitown]

After living in Chicago for 63 years I’d say I have a 1st hand perspective. Everyone think back to when we were young. In the 1950’s, 60’s and early 70’s the family unit consisted of a Mom, Dad, Kids. People for the most part were respectful of each other no matter the race. Was there problems? Sure. I would say I first noticed the change when Martin Luther King was assassinated. It ripped America apart. Big time rioting and looting in big cities. Fast forward to the Rodney King incident in LA, again the rioting and looting was so bad the president at that time called out the US military to bring things under control. Racial tensions in this country have never been worse. Say what you want, believe what you want but organizations like Black Lives Matter, white supremacy groups, etc, divide us instead of bringing us together. There are many anarchists today who hide behind a cause and are ripping this country apart. The black community needs to take a hard look at itself, black leaders need to speak up if we expect this country to heal.

[George Page]

One of many reasons BLM is a joke.

Now we have Red LM, Yellow LM.

Divide, Divide, Divide.

:ohdear:


Don’t forget ....... P.L.M.

[Number 10 GI]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

No, the actual problem is violent people. A gun is not a demonic talisman that changes a choirboy into a violent animal with the urge to kill everyone. That urge to kill is already there in the heart of the killer. When society acknowledges this and works to solve that problem, the number killings will drop.
Claiming guns are responsible for shootings is like saying a spoon is responsible for people being fat.

[Dlbonivich]

So defunding the police helps their movement? Contradictory much!

[DeanFL]

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...well, I'd guess it was just a matter of time - someplace, somewhere.
A U.S. City official breaks the ice and finally... (from Mayor of Atlanta)>


ATLANTA Published 8 hours agoLast Update 11 mins ago
Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop 'shooting each other' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site

Bottoms, a Democrat who is considered a potential running mate for Joe Biden, made the remarks as she fought through tears -- and the nation endured a new bout of urban carnage. Sixty-three people were injured and 17 killed in Chicago, including two children, over the weekend; and in New York City, 44 were hurt and at least six killed.

“Enough is enough," Bottoms said. "Enough is enough. We have talked about this movement that's happening across America and this moment in time when we have the ears and the interests of people across this country and across this globe who are saying they want to see change. But the difference in this moment in time with the civil rights movement -- in the civil rights movement, there was a defined, common enemy. We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up on our streets."

She continued: "You shot and killed a baby. And there wasn’t just one shooter; there were at least two shooters. An 8-year-old baby. If you want people to take us seriously, and you don't want us to lose this movement, then we can't lose each other."

"It has to stop," Bottoms added, according to FOX 5 Atlanta. "You can't blame this on police officers. It's about people who shot a baby in a car. We're doing each other more harm than any officer on this force."

Victim's father: 'They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own'

"They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own," Williamson said. "They killed my baby because she crossed a barrier and made a U-turn? You killed a child. She didn't do nothing to nobody. Black Lives Matter? You killing your own. You killed an 8-year-old child. She ain't did nothing to no one of y'all. She just wanted to get home to see her cousin. That's all she wanted to do."


Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop '''shooting each other''' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/atlanta-mayor-calls-for-citizens-to-stop-shooting-each-other-after-murder-of-8-year-old-near-blm-protest-site)

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Now - will this sadness be taken seriously, especially by the News Media and Minority Leaders?

[Stu from NYC]

No, the actual problem is violent people. A gun is not a demonic talisman that changes a choirboy into a violent animal with the urge to kill everyone. That urge to kill is already there in the heart of the killer. When society acknowledges this and works to solve that problem, the number killings will drop.
Claiming guns are responsible for shootings is like saying a spoon is responsible for people being fat.

Personally I thought it was a fork but learn something new every day.

I have no problem with people owning guns, sure have lots of people around here owning firearms but do believe it should come with some sort of background check.

[Rosebud1949]

AND... they want to defund the POLICE....................... you must be joking.. sure most was B on B crime......

[charliets]

BLM except to BLM. If saving Black lives is important to them why no protest at abortion clinics. 2018 there was over 118,000 black woman that had abortions, nothing to gain by that.
and the fact that there was more white unarmed people killed by police then black unarmed people but nothing to see there either, keep moving.

[carolandjohn]

Not always the case...many stops are unwarranted or "mistaken identity".

[Hogfan55]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

The easiest way to get a gun is to steal it: that’s why criminals will always have guns. It’s much harder for a law abiding citizen like myself to get a gun yet the law abiding citizen is always the one the politicians go after. If they would just enforce the laws on the books and put some teeth in the sentencing for felons with guns and using a gun to commit a crime it may put a dent in the problem. Chicago has always had tough gun laws and look at the murder rate. These aren’t people getting guns legally.

[fastboat]

Thanks for the party line. Watching TV and reading the news papers one would certainly get the idea their purpose was rioting, looting, arson and theft. Glad you cleared that up for us.

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)

[jimjamuser]

There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)
Denmark trains its police for 3 years. Other European countries train for years. The US has the least training to become a Policeperson of any major country. In Norway, the Police walk the streets and engage in mostly social service. Their prisons are like country resorts. They allow the guards and prisoners to interact socially. One prison allows the prisoners to for rock groups that entertain on the radio. Sounds opposite to the US. Funny thing, their recidivism statistics are very low. Much lower than in the US. Google it for all the Scandinavian countries.

[edicito]

How awful to witness the hateful words that come out of your mouths. I get saddened every time I read a comment from a reasonable and humble person and the wolf pack like attack that follows it.
Go outside and enjoy the sun and meditate as to “just one” good deed you could do today, it’ll make you a better and happier person.
God bless you all, have a good day!!

[jimjamuser]

I agree that the actions of rogue cops needs to be addressed. There are many sociopaths carrying guns with the sole intent to shoot someone. Sadly, some of them are cops. However there is a two-headed snake at work here. Out of control youth, whether they be white, black, brown or yellow. They are looting, because now they can. They are killing each other and collateral innocents because now they can. They have no fear, no respect, no family values and no self respect. Parents have lost control and have no idea about how to regain it. If anything is systemic, this is where it started - absentee parents.
Yes, social problems are systemic. Therefore, we need more sociologists and psychologists for school-age children. Our prison-industrial complex takes young criminals and makes them adult HARDENED criminals-We need to look to the Japanese and European prison systems for guidance-then we need ACTION to change them!

[jimjamuser]

Group doing the most complaining doing the most killing , but hey, easy because they can blame the problems on others. I say hone those shooting skills and lock and load,
We used that strategy once-it was called the civil war. If we had another one, who do you think would love it? I believe that it would be Putin and China. China would then be the dominant country in the world. Not a good outcome. As a famous quote went, "Can't we ALL just get along".

[jimjamuser]

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63 people were shot, 16 fatally between 6 p.m. Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday.
Three of those fatal shootings victims were minors, police said.


The KILLINGS CONTINUE - Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen?

NOPE>>> Chicago

I was born/raised in the city - B on B violence has always been a very sad problem.
BUT...now - inner city Chicago USA is our Kabul Afghanistan.

Every week - new records of killings. Every week, virtual silence, esp by Minority Leaders. Where are THEY? Oh yeah - at Black Lives Matter rallies. Yeah - BLM if a law enforcement officer is involved. If it's their gangs or bros, shhhh. Hard to believe that so many of our minority people need to live (or die) in crime-ridden areas as that. One solution = Defund Police. That should do it.

WHEN will this unbelievable issue get the Media notoriety and Community action it deserves? until then...shhhh.

CHICAGO VIOLENCE
Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city

CHICAGO'S CRIME WAVEPublished 3 hours ago
Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed
"We are making progress ... but we have to do better," Mayor Lori Lightfoot says

CHICAGO SHOOTING
Chicago violence: 7 children killed in shootings in last 2 weeks, police say
Chicago murders, shootings rose sharply in June 2020, police say

Chicago weekend shootings: 63 shot, 16 fatally, in violence across city - ABC7 Chicago (https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-violence-shooting/6280115/)

Chicago erupts in July 4 gunfire -- with girl, 7, and boy, 14, among those killed | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-erupts-in-july-4-gunfire-with-girl-7-and-boy-14-among-those-killed)
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Maybe they should just let them keep shooting each other. Blacks, Whites, Antifa, BLM....ALL of them. Let them thin the herd to a manageable level. Just try to protect all the kids.
Lot's of empathy there for the young children.

[Number 10 GI]

Personally I thought it was a fork but learn something new every day.

I have no problem with people owning guns, sure have lots of people around here owning firearms but do believe it should come with some sort of background check.

If you purchase a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer(to be a dealer in firearms your are required by federal law to have a federal license) you are required under federal law to undergo a background investigation. If it comes back denied the dealer cannot legally sell the gun to you. In many states and Florida is one of them, a face to face sale between a private citizens is legal without a background investigation. The majority of private sellers now ask to see identification and a license to carry a firearm before they will sell the firearm.
Numerous studies have shown that criminals get guns by theft, from a family member or through a straw purchaser. A straw purchaser is a person who can legally buy a gun that purchases one in their name and gives it to the criminal. Usually the criminal is prohibited from owning firearms due to previous felony convictions.

[jimjamuser]

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...well, I'd guess it was just a matter of time - someplace, somewhere.
A U.S. City official breaks the ice and finally... (from Mayor of Atlanta)>


ATLANTA Published 8 hours agoLast Update 11 mins ago
Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop 'shooting each other' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site

Bottoms, a Democrat who is considered a potential running mate for Joe Biden, made the remarks as she fought through tears -- and the nation endured a new bout of urban carnage. Sixty-three people were injured and 17 killed in Chicago, including two children, over the weekend; and in New York City, 44 were hurt and at least six killed.

“Enough is enough," Bottoms said. "Enough is enough. We have talked about this movement that's happening across America and this moment in time when we have the ears and the interests of people across this country and across this globe who are saying they want to see change. But the difference in this moment in time with the civil rights movement -- in the civil rights movement, there was a defined, common enemy. We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up on our streets."

She continued: "You shot and killed a baby. And there wasn’t just one shooter; there were at least two shooters. An 8-year-old baby. If you want people to take us seriously, and you don't want us to lose this movement, then we can't lose each other."

"It has to stop," Bottoms added, according to FOX 5 Atlanta. "You can't blame this on police officers. It's about people who shot a baby in a car. We're doing each other more harm than any officer on this force."

Victim's father: 'They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own'

"They say Black Lives Matter. You killed your own," Williamson said. "They killed my baby because she crossed a barrier and made a U-turn? You killed a child. She didn't do nothing to nobody. Black Lives Matter? You killing your own. You killed an 8-year-old child. She ain't did nothing to no one of y'all. She just wanted to get home to see her cousin. That's all she wanted to do."


Atlanta mayor calls for citizens to stop '''shooting each other''' after murder of 8-year-old near BLM protest site | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/atlanta-mayor-calls-for-citizens-to-stop-shooting-each-other-after-murder-of-8-year-old-near-blm-protest-site)

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Now - will this sadness be taken seriously, especially by the News Media and Minority Leaders?
A good informative post.

[ffresh]

The easiest way to get a gun is to steal it: that’s why criminals will always have guns. It’s much harder for a law abiding citizen like myself to get a gun yet the law abiding citizen is always the one the politicians go after. If they would just enforce the laws on the books and put some teeth in the sentencing for felons with guns and using a gun to commit a crime it may put a dent in the problem. Chicago has always had tough gun laws and look at the murder rate. These aren’t people getting guns legally.


To understand the gun debate, one has to change his paradigm. It was never about saving lives. Far more people are killed every year from medical malfeasance, automobile accidents and myriad other causes. Gun control is TOTALLY about CONTROL, nothing more. With no guns, i.e. no defense, Americans would be subject to the whims of their government and defenseless to resist tyranny, as so many of The Founders admonished. There are numerous examples (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, ad nauseum) of "death by government"; in fact, genocide is the leading cause of death among the world's populations. Our ruling elite are intimately aware of this situation and are working overtime to change this equation! Complicity among the "useful Idiots" and the "perpetually uninformed" assists their nefarious goal. As I've said on many forums, many different times, the globalists/NWO/elitists know that the USA is the last great impediment to world communism/socialism and must be brought to its knees - see anything on the current playing field that might further this agenda? :icon_wink:



Fred :spoken:

[graciegirl]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

No. I don't agree with that.

[Stu from NYC]

I'm not sure the "cities" want to defund the police. But, if I were a criminal, I would definitely want to defund the police.

Hey if I was a criminal the cities that defund their police would be sending me an open invitation to move there.

[ffresh]

Hey if I was a criminal the cities that defund their police would be sending me an open invitation to move there.

Exactly the same concept with "gun free zones", totally misguided efforts. It's akin to saying, "hey, criminals, come on over here to ply your trade … we're all unarmed"! As if criminals (by the very definition) pay any attention to such ludicrous rules! :ohdear:


Fred

[jimbomaybe]

FBI statics seem to put the lie to BLM assertions

[DeanFL]

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As a recent example of the MASS MEDIA deafness to this ever-expanding issue of inner city violence in the USA, here is an excerpt from an article, just this afternoon. Typical of the WH Press Corp - wanting THEIR narrative, "Statement" questions, a GOTCHA moment X25, and SILENCE for imperative issues we all face.
SHAME!!!!
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Kayleigh McEnany scolds reporters for not asking about deadly weekend of violence
White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany scolded reporters during Monday’s press briefing for failing to ask a single question about a violent weekend.


White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany scolded reporters during Monday’s press briefing for failing to ask a single question about a violent weekend that saw an 8-year-old girl die in Atlanta, as the nation saw a surge in gun violence.

“I’d end with this, I was asked probably 12 questions about the Confederate flag, this president is focused on action and I’m a little dismayed that I didn’t receive one question on the deaths that we got in this country this weekend,” McEnany said.

NEW YORK CITY VIOLENCE: 8 KILLED DURING FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND

“I didn’t receive one question about New York City shootings doubling for the third-straight week... not one question. I didn’t receive one question about five children who were killed,” McEnany said.

“I’ll leave you with this remark by a dad. It broke my heart, a dad of an 8-year-old last in Atlanta this weekend, ‘They say Black lives matter. You killed a child, she didn’t do nothing to nobody.’”

McEnany then said, “We need to be focused on securing our streets, making sure no lives are lost, because all black lives matter, that of [retired St. Louis police captain] David Dorn and that of this 8-year-old girl. Thank you.”

Chicago violence erupts during holiday weekend, at least 67 shot and 13 killedVideo
McEnany – who spent much of the press briefing responding to questions about a tweet President Trump sent earlier in the day about NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace – quickly left the stage after condemning reporters.

FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND MARKED BY VIOLENCE AS GIRL, 7, AMONG DEAD IN CHICAGO, CITIES SEE DEADLY SHOOTINGS

Many questions directed to McEnany were about the tweet, while reporters in the room overlooked a chaotic weekend filled with violence in many American cities as more than 14 were killed and dozens were injured in shootings.

An 8-year-old girl, identified by police as Secoriea Turner, was killed during a July 4 shooting near the Atlanta Wendy’s where a police officer shot and killed Rayshard Brooks last month.

Police said Turner was riding in a car with her mother and another adult when a group fired multiple times at the vehicle, hitting the girl. In Chicago, a city known for gun violence, more than 67 people were shot over the holiday weekend and at least 13 were killed, including a 7-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy.

White House: Time for Democratic local leaders to step up against violenceVideo


The New York City Police Department saw at least 44 shootings, from which there were 63 victims, from July 3 to July 5, according to data provided by the NYPD. Several shootings in the city of Baltimore over the weekend also left at least one person dead and eight injured.

Dorn, who was also referenced by McEnany, was killed while trying to protect his friend’s pawn shop from looters during the early hours of June 2, after a protest turned violent.

Kayleigh McEnany scolds reporters for not asking about deadly weekend of violence across America | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/kayleigh-mcenany-scolds-reporters-for-not-asking-about-deadly-weekend-of-violence-across-america)
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[tophcfa]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

Not if you get it legally.

[Topspinmo]

The actual problem may be it’s to easy to get a gun.

Illegally

[anothersteve]

A NATIONAL PRESS BRIEFING should address foreign relations, budget matters, etc.


As should the questions!!

Steve

[billethkid]

With all due respect, of what value at a NATIONAL WHITE HOUSE press session, is there to ask about a CITY problem ?

Nobody in that room knows enough to comment, nor any details. It is, after all a WHITE HOUSE PRESS EVENT, not a press event for specific cities.

That’s not down playing the events....it’s terrible, but has been for a length of time. A NATIONAL PRESS BRIEFING should address foreign relations, budget matters, etc.

I realize you folks will jump on me, but those events are not held for a rally, etc. this is for US, the people to find out what our government is doing, or not doing regarding the country. Questions on this, certainly would be welcomed, but surely the White House is not in a position to address local problems.

There is the issue of increasing violence across the USA and there is most definitely selectivity being employed on the subject or lack of it, all having to do with defunding/dismantling police and enforcement, hence pertinent
at the WH level.
Floyd was a local issue for about 30 seconds!

[Bucco]

As should the questions!!

Steve

I 100% agree with this. Unfortunately, we are always chasing tweets or retweets..something that never existed before, and we have been assured that those tweets represent our government so they become very important as the world reads.

Me thinks, someone is trying to set the agenda. The dramatic PLANNED exits grow old.

[Bucco]

There is the issue of increasing violence across the USA and there is most definitely selectivity being employed on the subject or lack of it, all having to do with defunding/dismantling police and enforcement, hence pertinent
at the WH level.
Floyd was a local issue for about 30 seconds!

The violence you refer to has existed for years, not recent.

And I disagree...defunding, funding, etc are local issues

[anothersteve]

I 100% agree with this. Unfortunately, we are always chasing tweets or retweets..something that never existed before, and we have been assured that those tweets represent our government so they become very important as the world reads.

Me thinks, someone is trying to set the agenda. The dramatic PLANNED exits grow old.

So what you are saying is the media is falling into the trap? Me thinks the media is setting the agenda.

Steve

[DeanFL]

With all due respect, of what value at a NATIONAL WHITE HOUSE press session, is there to ask about a CITY problem ?

Nobody in that room knows enough to comment, nor any details. It is, after all a WHITE HOUSE PRESS EVENT, not a press event for specific cities.

That’s not down playing the events....it’s terrible, but has been for a length of time. A NATIONAL PRESS BRIEFING should address foreign relations, budget matters, etc.

I realize you folks will jump on me, but those events are not held for a rally, etc. this is for US, the people to find out what our government is doing, or not doing regarding the country. Questions on this, certainly would be welcomed, but surely the White House is not in a position to address local problems.
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I researched - WH Press Briefings, and got a transcript of today's --- I've edited to include ONLY the PRESS QUESTIONS for a taste... and her admonition at the end.


And with that, I’ll take questions.

Peter.

Q Kayleigh, I want to ask you just a couple questions. The first one: Why is the President so supportive of flying the Confederate flag?

Q For clarity, I’m asking you about the Confederate flags. My question is: Why is the President so supportive of flying the Confederate flag?

Q The President said that NASCAR saw bad ratings because they took down the Confederate flag, banned the Confederate flag. Does he believe NASCAR should fly the Confederate flag? And why don’t they fly it here?

Q Let me ask you about some of the President’s comments this weekend. The President said that 99 percent of coronavirus cases are totally harmless. Which members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force agree with that statement?

Q — just to follow up quickly, though. So if you don’t die, is it not harmless?

Q Kayleigh, to follow on Peter’s question, what is the President’s position? Does he think NASCAR made a mistake by banning the Confederate flag?

Q But let’s drill down on the Confederate flag. Does he think it was a mistake for NASCAR to ban it?

Q But what is his position on it?

Q Wasn’t he saying that NASCAR’s rating were down because they banned the flag? That’s what he said.

Q Does he think his supporters should not take the flag to Trump rallies? Has he considered banning the Confederate flag from Trump rallies?

Q Kayleigh, why is it Bubba Wallace’s responsibility to apologize for an investigation into a noose that he didn’t report and he never even saw? It was NASCAR that found this, that reported this. And even the FBI referred to it as a noose, even if they said it wasn’t a specific crime against Mr. Wallace. Why is the President even suggesting that Mr. Wallace should apologize?

Q He has.

Q In interviews, he’s been very clear that —

Q — the FBI found this was not intentional.

Q Why is he directing this at Mr. Wallace?

Q He was a victim of a suspected hate crime.

Q Who was charged? It was an open investigation, Kayleigh —

Q — into a noose. The FBI said —

Q — it was a noose.

Q But you’re suggesting that Mr. Wallace —

Q — should apologize for an investigation that someone else initiated, suggesting he was possibly the victim of a hate crime?

Q The Governor of South Dakota flew back on Air Force One after having contact with somebody who had tested positive for the virus. Why was that allowed to happen? Did she have contact with the President on the trip back? And has the President continued to test negative since that interaction?

Q But why — the original question is: Why was she to allowed to fly back on Air Force One with the President, when it was known that she had had contact with somebody who had tested positive for the virus?

Q On executive orders, the President has set a pretty brisk pace on those this year. And as a candidate, he had been critical of President Obama’s use of executive orders, but he seems to have really stepped up the pace on these. And I wanted to ask, you know, what does he find — what is the strategy behind issuing more than one a week so far this year? And I know he’s getting ready to issue more in the coming weeks.

Q Hi, Kayleigh. With regard to the President’s reference about the 99 percent being harmless, does the President worry at all that by downplaying the severity of the virus, that it will lead Americans to be less careful?

Q And just to follow up on the NASCAR thing: You were saying that we’re taking the tweet out of context, but this is what he tweeted. He says, “Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!”

Q Is the President comparing Smollett to Wallace?

Q Hold on. Hold on. Just that one thing it wasn’t clear in your response — and that’s why I asked about it again, and it follows up on Paula’s question — is: Why should Mr. Wallace have to apologize for that when his whole team and all of these colleagues came around him to show support?

Q No, he’s saying he has to apologize.

Q He’s saying he has to apologize. That’s what we’re trying to ask you, Kayleigh, is

Q — why should he have to apologize about that?

Q But you haven’t answered that question. I mean, you’ve been asked it, but you haven’t answered it.

Q You haven’t answered it.

Q Kayleigh, on the Confederate part: Why would the President not praise NASCAR for removing the Confederate flag, particularly given the history of that flag, the symbol that it has for African Americans, and also what it represents in terms of just the treasonous acts and the insurrection against the Republic?

Q Why would he not praise them for taking that down, even if it’s a ratings (inaudible)?

Q But, Kayleigh, the Confederate flag is a different issue.

Q Kayleigh, why — what exactly does the President see as positive or uniting then about the Confederate flag? Why does he — why did he decide to tweet about it then, this morning?

Q And, Kayleigh, to follow up —

Q Thank you. The President argued on Friday, and then again on Saturday, that many of the problems the country faces stem from, quote, “extreme indoctrination and bias” in the education system. If that’s the case, is he working with Secretary DeVos to address what he sees as a major problem?

You know, what — what steps is he taking to (inaudible) this? And could you give us an example?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. I have question about masks. The President has, sort of, equivocated on the issue of masks, and we know that a number of Republicans are starting to say that it’s the single-most important thing that Americans can do to protect each other. What is the President’s message to Americans who hear those messages and say that they simply don’t want to wear a mask? What does the President say to those (inaudible)?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. I wanted to say, first off, point of fact: Bubba Wallace did not make any kind of false report. And I’m wondering, in general, why the President thinks that issue is worth his time and focus right now in the midst of a deadly pandemic? And then also, you’ve said he has no opinion on the Confederate flag. Why can’t this White House unambiguously state whether or not it supports displays of the Confederate flag and —

Q — Confederate monuments, which are much more —

Q — a part of this question than Gandhi?

Q But you said Bubba Wallace made a false report; he didn’t.

Q But why is this cultural stuff worth his time and —

Q — focus during the pandemic?

Q And what about on an unambiguous statement on the Confederate flag? Are we capable of doing that?

Q Exactly. But why not?

Q Thanks, Kayleigh. Two quick questions, if I may. Does the President support the Cleveland Indians and the football team here in Washington considering changing their names?

Q And the other question: Who came up with the list of historical figures that the President wants honored in his — in his garden of statues that he put out this executive order about? Who came up with the list of people to be included?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. The President signed the Payroll Protection Program extension over the weekend. There’s $132 billion in the pot. What does the President think that that money should be used for if it’s still there after August 8th? And then, in a CARES 4, specifically, what should be there to help small businesses?

Q Would he veto a bill then that did not have the payroll tax relief in it?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh, so much. As President Trump wants to reopen the country, what will be the criteria to cancel the travel bans? Because we know that the bans are still in place for European countries where the situation is under control. And, on the other hand, there is no ban on hotspots like Russia, India, or Mexico, for example. So what is the criteria?

Q Kayleigh, can I ask one more question?

Q European countries, and now the UK, are starting to open for touring visitors, but the U.S. is still banned. How do you think the world is looking at the United States right now?


Ending from The Press Secretary>>>>

And finally, I’d end with this: You know, I was asked probably 12 questions about the Confederate flag. This President is focused on action, and I’m a little dismayed that I didn’t receive one question on the deaths that we got in this country this weekend. I didn’t receive one question about New York City shootings doubling for the third straight week. And over the last seven days, shootings skyrocketed by 142 percent. Not one question. I didn’t receive one question about five children who were killed.

And I’ll leave you with this remark by a dad — it broke my heart — a dad of an eight-year-old lost in Atlanta this weekend: “They say black lives matter…you killed a child. She didn’t do nothing to nobody,” was his quote.

We need to be focused on securing our streets, making sure no lives are lost because all black lives matter — that of David Dorn and that of this eight-year-old girl.

Thank you.

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[anothersteve]

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I researched - WH Press Briefings, and got a transcript of today's --- I've edited to include ONLY the PRESS QUESTIONS for a taste... and her admonition at the end.


And with that, I’ll take questions.

Peter.

Q Kayleigh, I want to ask you just a couple questions. The first one: Why is the President so supportive of flying the Confederate flag?

Q For clarity, I’m asking you about the Confederate flags. My question is: Why is the President so supportive of flying the Confederate flag?

Q The President said that NASCAR saw bad ratings because they took down the Confederate flag, banned the Confederate flag. Does he believe NASCAR should fly the Confederate flag? And why don’t they fly it here?

Q Let me ask you about some of the President’s comments this weekend. The President said that 99 percent of coronavirus cases are totally harmless. Which members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force agree with that statement?

Q — just to follow up quickly, though. So if you don’t die, is it not harmless?

Q Kayleigh, to follow on Peter’s question, what is the President’s position? Does he think NASCAR made a mistake by banning the Confederate flag?

Q But let’s drill down on the Confederate flag. Does he think it was a mistake for NASCAR to ban it?

Q But what is his position on it?

Q Wasn’t he saying that NASCAR’s rating were down because they banned the flag? That’s what he said.

Q Does he think his supporters should not take the flag to Trump rallies? Has he considered banning the Confederate flag from Trump rallies?

Q Kayleigh, why is it Bubba Wallace’s responsibility to apologize for an investigation into a noose that he didn’t report and he never even saw? It was NASCAR that found this, that reported this. And even the FBI referred to it as a noose, even if they said it wasn’t a specific crime against Mr. Wallace. Why is the President even suggesting that Mr. Wallace should apologize?

Q He has.

Q In interviews, he’s been very clear that —

Q — the FBI found this was not intentional.

Q Why is he directing this at Mr. Wallace?

Q He was a victim of a suspected hate crime.

Q Who was charged? It was an open investigation, Kayleigh —

Q — into a noose. The FBI said —

Q — it was a noose.

Q But you’re suggesting that Mr. Wallace —

Q — should apologize for an investigation that someone else initiated, suggesting he was possibly the victim of a hate crime?

Q The Governor of South Dakota flew back on Air Force One after having contact with somebody who had tested positive for the virus. Why was that allowed to happen? Did she have contact with the President on the trip back? And has the President continued to test negative since that interaction?

Q But why — the original question is: Why was she to allowed to fly back on Air Force One with the President, when it was known that she had had contact with somebody who had tested positive for the virus?

Q On executive orders, the President has set a pretty brisk pace on those this year. And as a candidate, he had been critical of President Obama’s use of executive orders, but he seems to have really stepped up the pace on these. And I wanted to ask, you know, what does he find — what is the strategy behind issuing more than one a week so far this year? And I know he’s getting ready to issue more in the coming weeks.

Q Hi, Kayleigh. With regard to the President’s reference about the 99 percent being harmless, does the President worry at all that by downplaying the severity of the virus, that it will lead Americans to be less careful?

Q And just to follow up on the NASCAR thing: You were saying that we’re taking the tweet out of context, but this is what he tweeted. He says, “Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!”

Q Is the President comparing Smollett to Wallace?

Q Hold on. Hold on. Just that one thing it wasn’t clear in your response — and that’s why I asked about it again, and it follows up on Paula’s question — is: Why should Mr. Wallace have to apologize for that when his whole team and all of these colleagues came around him to show support?

Q No, he’s saying he has to apologize.

Q He’s saying he has to apologize. That’s what we’re trying to ask you, Kayleigh, is

Q — why should he have to apologize about that?

Q But you haven’t answered that question. I mean, you’ve been asked it, but you haven’t answered it.

Q You haven’t answered it.

Q Kayleigh, on the Confederate part: Why would the President not praise NASCAR for removing the Confederate flag, particularly given the history of that flag, the symbol that it has for African Americans, and also what it represents in terms of just the treasonous acts and the insurrection against the Republic?

Q Why would he not praise them for taking that down, even if it’s a ratings (inaudible)?

Q But, Kayleigh, the Confederate flag is a different issue.

Q Kayleigh, why — what exactly does the President see as positive or uniting then about the Confederate flag? Why does he — why did he decide to tweet about it then, this morning?

Q And, Kayleigh, to follow up —

Q Thank you. The President argued on Friday, and then again on Saturday, that many of the problems the country faces stem from, quote, “extreme indoctrination and bias” in the education system. If that’s the case, is he working with Secretary DeVos to address what he sees as a major problem?

You know, what — what steps is he taking to (inaudible) this? And could you give us an example?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. I have question about masks. The President has, sort of, equivocated on the issue of masks, and we know that a number of Republicans are starting to say that it’s the single-most important thing that Americans can do to protect each other. What is the President’s message to Americans who hear those messages and say that they simply don’t want to wear a mask? What does the President say to those (inaudible)?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. I wanted to say, first off, point of fact: Bubba Wallace did not make any kind of false report. And I’m wondering, in general, why the President thinks that issue is worth his time and focus right now in the midst of a deadly pandemic? And then also, you’ve said he has no opinion on the Confederate flag. Why can’t this White House unambiguously state whether or not it supports displays of the Confederate flag and —

Q — Confederate monuments, which are much more —

Q — a part of this question than Gandhi?

Q But you said Bubba Wallace made a false report; he didn’t.

Q But why is this cultural stuff worth his time and —

Q — focus during the pandemic?

Q And what about on an unambiguous statement on the Confederate flag? Are we capable of doing that?

Q Exactly. But why not?

Q Thanks, Kayleigh. Two quick questions, if I may. Does the President support the Cleveland Indians and the football team here in Washington considering changing their names?

Q And the other question: Who came up with the list of historical figures that the President wants honored in his — in his garden of statues that he put out this executive order about? Who came up with the list of people to be included?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh. The President signed the Payroll Protection Program extension over the weekend. There’s $132 billion in the pot. What does the President think that that money should be used for if it’s still there after August 8th? And then, in a CARES 4, specifically, what should be there to help small businesses?

Q Would he veto a bill then that did not have the payroll tax relief in it?

Q Thank you, Kayleigh, so much. As President Trump wants to reopen the country, what will be the criteria to cancel the travel bans? Because we know that the bans are still in place for European countries where the situation is under control. And, on the other hand, there is no ban on hotspots like Russia, India, or Mexico, for example. So what is the criteria?

Q Kayleigh, can I ask one more question?

Q European countries, and now the UK, are starting to open for touring visitors, but the U.S. is still banned. How do you think the world is looking at the United States right now?


Ending from The Press Secretary>>>>

And finally, I’d end with this: You know, I was asked probably 12 questions about the Confederate flag. This President is focused on action, and I’m a little dismayed that I didn’t receive one question on the deaths that we got in this country this weekend. I didn’t receive one question about New York City shootings doubling for the third straight week. And over the last seven days, shootings skyrocketed by 142 percent. Not one question. I didn’t receive one question about five children who were killed.

And I’ll leave you with this remark by a dad — it broke my heart — a dad of an eight-year-old lost in Atlanta this weekend: “They say black lives matter…you killed a child. She didn’t do nothing to nobody,” was his quote.

We need to be focused on securing our streets, making sure no lives are lost because all black lives matter — that of David Dorn and that of this eight-year-old girl.

Thank you.

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Thank you....I rest my case.
Only one question about anything of susbstance..
The payroll protection act. .
I watch these briefings almost daily, same crap from the media over and
over and over.....

[Bucco]

Thank you....I rest my case.
Only one question about anything of susbstance..
The payroll protection act. .
I watch these briefings almost daily, same crap from the media over and
over and over.....

Take out the queries based on untrue, accusatory tweets, what is left....as I mentioned

[anothersteve]

Take out the queries based on untrue, accusatory tweets, what is left....as I mentioned:ohdear:

:oops::oops:

Steve

[banjobob]

Where is BLM every week to quell the violence. I just read they take in millions for the cause ,wonder who is being helped.

[Chitown]

[QUOTE=ffresh;1798821]To understand the gun debate, one has to change his paradigm. It was never about saving lives. Far more people are killed every year from medical malfeasance, automobile accidents and myriad other causes. Gun control is TOTALLY about CONTROL, nothing more. With no guns, i.e. no defense, Americans would be subject to the whims of their government and defenseless to resist tyranny, as so many of The Founders admonished. There are numerous examples (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, ad nauseum) of "death by government"; in fact, genocide is the leading cause of death among the world's populations. Our ruling elite are intimately aware of this situation and are working overtime to change this equation! Complicity among the "useful Idiots" and the "perpetually uninformed" assists their nefarious goal. Very well said. What most people don’t realize is that the 2nd amendment is not only the right to bear arms but it was written by our founders because they knew that some day American citizens could be ruled by a dictator or a ruler who with the help of others at his direction disregarded or illegally changed the constitution and ruled with a slick tongue. The guns like it or not was a way to form a militia and overthrow the government to regain control by the people

[kcrazorbackfan]

13% of our population (blacks) commit 54% of the murders in America.

Let that sink in.....

[mady101]

:clap2:There have been dozens and dozens of threads started by a cadre of people on totv, all pointing to the deaths in Chicago or other cities under the category of black on black crime. Here is another thread on the same theme. Claiming that BLM is a joke, that their focus is in the wrong place that if they cared about Black lives they'd do something about Chicago.

BLM has a very specific focus. It was founded to shine a light on violence by the government against their community. The organization is not there to investigate street crime. There is a police force to do that. But there was seemingly no one holding police accountable for their actions. In fact it was apparent to many there was a blue wall of silence where cops didn't break the code of silence. Their omerta.

From one of the BLM websites [there is no single BLM organization it is not centralized but is local chapters loosely working to the same goal]

Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.

When criminal commit crimes that is a police issue. When police commit crimes that is a whole different problem. It is the abuse of force by those sworn to protect and serve that is the focus, and a necessary focus as evidenced by so many videos now widely seen, that some police are using excessive force. There was just another case where 2 cops tasered a victim to death. Over 50 shocks were given (https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/oklahoma-cops-who-allegedly-tasered-man-50-times-charged-with-murder/). In this case their victim was a white naked male who per news reports never made an aggressive move toward the cops, who violated department policy in this murder.

BML is shining a light on the ugly dark truth that there are cops who are poorly trained, who are bullies, who don't belong on the force, who are racists. Many, not all, of the victims of these bad cops have been POC. Holding the state responsible for actions of the state is the mission of BLM. Lots of organizations have narrow missions even when there are larger problems. Is the American Cancer Society bad because it ignores that more people die from heart disease? Is the Komen foundation bad because more women die from lung cancer than breast cancer?

BLM is focused on one issue in the Black community. Deaths and violence caused by the state. All it takes is some good cops to stop the bad ones. Even if the good cops get punished by the system. (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-officer-fired-buffalo-pd-gets-support-for-probe-and-pension-20200615-i4wulbbolzaslbn4xwumotvtki-story.html)