What Recovery Summer?

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Obama's cumulative job deficit stands at 7.6 million jobs.

No wonder Social Security is running in the red for the first time.

Where are the jobs that Obama promised?

Will the media hold him to it? (hehe) (don't hold your breath)

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/06/what-recovery-summer/

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i have wondered for the longest time why this administration has done nothing [again] to root out the fraud, waste and abuse that they said would provide for savings for their health care program...the news shows an example of the fraud, waste and abuse at least once a week!...if the news can find it - why can't the govt go and stop it?

if everyone predicts the downfall of this social-ist program, why isn't anyone doing anything? and it doesn't really fall just on the shoulders of obama...senators and congressmen have admitted for years that they were aware of fraud , waste and abuse - but they did nothing, too! are they afraid to lose those votes?

but now, with the extended breadth and depth of unemployment and the recession, there are no employees to pay into the social security funds - a further complication of the misery this administration is causing. if there was a guest-worker program in effect at least we could collect from those workers! who was it that shouted down that program when bush 43 raised that possibility?

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i have wondered for the longest time why this administration has done nothing [again] to root out the fraud, waste and abuse that they said would provide for savings for their health care program...the news shows an example of the fraud, waste and abuse at least once a week!...if the news can find it - why can't the govt go and stop it?

if everyone predicts the downfall of this social-ist program, why isn't anyone doing anything? and it doesn't really fall just on the shoulders of obama...senators and congressmen have admitted for years that they were aware of fraud , waste and abuse - but they did nothing, too! are they afraid to lose those votes?

but now, with the extended breadth and depth of unemployment and the recession, there are no employees to pay into the social security funds - a further complication of the misery this administration is causing. if there was a guest-worker program in effect at least we could collect from those workers! who was it that shouted down that program when bush 43 raised that possibility?

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I think that is a very good question. I've thought about it too. The only thing I can come up with is this. They have created "the fraud, waste and abuse" by their wreckless elitist attitudes. It isn't their money and they have no sense of respect for something that isn't theirs, no respect for something that they didn't work to earn.

"Nobdy takes care of somebody else's property as well as he takes care of his own," Milton Friedman.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703309704575412990024153682.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

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if the ninnies in washington proceed to let the bush tax breaks expire, which in turn can cause businesses to spiral down into the double dip recession, can the same ninnies adopt previous actions to grant businesses a tax break for each new employee who is hired? perhaps that would provide some sort of counter-balance to the adverse impact of said expiration?

i am no economist or major corp or small business entrepreneur - i just know what economic conditions i have survived in spite of several administrations - and i have never seen behavior such as this administration exhibits. if i was christine romer, i'd be running away, too!

i might start losing sleep over my economic future but it will not be because of the future of my small investments [much smaller now]...it is because i am sleeping on a mattress filled with the cashed-in proceeds of those investments!

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if the ninnies in washington proceed to let the bush tax breaks expire, which in turn can cause businesses to spiral down into the double dip recession, can the same ninnies adopt previous actions to grant businesses a tax break for each new employee who is hired? perhaps that would provide some sort of counter-balance to the adverse impact of said expiration?

i am no economist or major corp or small business entrepreneur - i just know what economic conditions i have survived in spite of several administrations - and i have never seen behavior such as this administration exhibits. if i was christine romer, i'd be running away, too!

i might start losing sleep over my economic future but it will not be because of the future of my small investments [much smaller now]...it is because i am sleeping on a mattress filled with the cashed-in proceeds of those investments!

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Putting your money in a safe place. Good for you.


Imagine if Bush said that this will be the Recovery Summer? He would be the scorn of all the talk shows and media outlets.

http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/08/09/failure-is-definitely-an-option/

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When the economy was on its way down at the end of the Clinton presidency and continued into the first year of W the Dems blamed Bush for it all. Suddenly the economy turned around during the Bush years and nary a peep from the Dems as to how great the economy was doing nor would they acknowledge that the Bush tax cuts were actually stimulating the economy. Now, the Hoople in the WH can't get out of his own tracks and still has the audacity to blame W and the arrogance that goes along with it. We are in this mess due to the tax and spend Dems who refuse to recognize that they have had the authority to frame a solid economic program for the US.
It appears that their goal is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and an attempt to divert us with this phony immigration ruse. Its time for a change in congress as well as the WH.
Wake up to the fact that our leader is an empty barrel and full of hot air. If he holds his nose any higher he will certainly drown in the rain.

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Whatever waxes eloquent....Well put!

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When the economy was on its way down at the end of the Clinton presidency and continued into the first year of W the Dems blamed Bush for it all. Suddenly the economy turned around during the Bush years and nary a peep froom the Dems as to how great the economy was doing nor would they acknowledge that the Bush tax cuts were actually stimulating the economy. Now, the hoople in the WH can't get out of his own tracks and still has the audacity to blame W and the arrogance that goes along with it. We are in this mess due to the tax and spend Dems who refuse to recognize that they have had the authority to frame a solid economic program for the US.
It appears that their goal is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and an attempt to divert us with this phony immigration ruse. Its time for a change in congress as wel as the WH.
Wake up to the fact that our leader is an empty barrel and full of hot air. If he holds his nose any higher he will certainly drown in the rain.

:beer3: You rock Whatever!!!

I had completely forgotten about that. I remember the economy going downhill the last year Clinton was in there and I remember saying that if Bush wins the election, the media will blame Bush.

Good recall.

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Actually I remember the blame going more on the "dot com bubble" and derision of Gore's internet comments. Of course, 9/11 happened 7+ months after the inauguration and the news was saying how that would make whatever recession we were in even worse.

Back then, Bush looked like a hero for climbing on top of rubble and giving his speech.

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Actually I remember the blame going more on the "dot com bubble" and derision of Gore's internet comments. Of course, 9/11 happened 7+ months after the inauguration and the news was saying how that would make whatever recession we were in even worse.

Back then, Bush looked like a hero for climbing on top of rubble and giving his speech.

Yea, but his steady leadership pulled us through.

What would have Obama done if it happened on his watch? Go over seas and bow down to the enemy? Tell us citizens that we need to display empathy? Maybe another apology tour?
I wonder if the enemy would have the cajones to build a mosque in the shadow of 9-11 if Bush was still President? Why is Obama silent on that atrocity?

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deniability or there is no advantage to blame Bush.

Most people, both parties, are getting a little more than weary of hearing about what he "inherited", what "Bush did" or the current lame campaign rhetoric of "you don't want to go back".

As I see it, I would much rather be upset with a POTUS who takes on the task, leads and does something that I might not agree or with unexpected results (as in Bush) VS a POTUS who does nothing but point fingers with no action taken, hence no results as in unemployment, housing, banking and the economy (per Obama).

The classic options apply....either lead, follow or get out of the way.

We can't get rid of Obama this November but we can certainly take his check book away!!:BigApplause:

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Pats: I hate to say it, but you really have shown your blinding colors. You refer to "the enemy" building a mosque. EVEN BUSH acknowledged that we weren't at war with Islam. Are you aware that the group that wants to build the mosque at Park 51 has been peacefully existing in cramped quarters 10 blocks north of the proposed site FOR YEARS?

You've lumped all muslims together in that statement. It's like saying all Catholic churches should be closed down because of the actions of a few priests.

Now, what would Obama have done? Who knows - but I have my own theory on what Gore would have done if he'd been President. Based on what his mentor (Clinton) did, I suspect that a few sidewinder missles would have hit a few al-Queda camps in Afghanistan and then we would have declared the problem "dealt with".

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Diplong,

Your condescending attitude aside.

How much do you know about Islam and the Qur'am?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0deanRGb8w&feature=player_embedded

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who the real sponsors and supporters of the Mosque REALLY are.

The smallest population of Muslims live in Manhattan. The largest population of Muslims live in Brooklyn. They would have to drive miles past other mosques and brutal traffic to get there. It has been said there is no property available in Manhattan except the proposed site. However there is almost 20% vacancy rate for space in Manhattan which translates into millions of square feet. Hence there is some question "why here"?

The governor of NY is offering to give them property in an alternate location. We shall see how this shakes out.

I personally subscribe to the camp that believes it is being proposed adjacent to ground zero to make a statement....a slap in the face....disrespect for the event and aftermath of 911...regardless what they are claiming as the reason.

We shall see just how permissive the government will be with an issue that is over whelmingly not supported by we the people. However we also know that has little significance in today's government(s).

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The ruling class do not care what the serfs want. They will ruin the country with one objective-- to get re-elected.

They simply do not care.

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since we seem to have moved away from recovery in this thread, i sorta wanna back up a thought in btk's post about the mosque being a 'slap in the face'.

newt gingrich a week or so ago raised the point that there is a reason why the proposed mosque is to be called the cordoba initiative; and it goes way back to the Islamic invasion of the spanish city of cordoba in which they conquered the Spanish, sold them into slavery, and used cordoba as a base for slaver raids into other parts of Europe, and ruled by the sword of the caliph [who succeeded mohammed].

The mosque of cordoba was built on the site of a christian cathedral but was lost to a European invasion and then reconstructed as a cathedral. The conquest and reconquest has not been forgotten by islamists who have been waiting to restore the glory of their original invasion. choosing the name of cordoba initiative is in reality another act of hostility and is descriptive of the islamists intention to expand, invade and subjugate.

An article that can be found here: http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/article/64/2700.html that explains newt’s presentation much better that I did.

now this info freaked me out...to know that regardless of whatever reasons for building on this site get thrown around, the bottom line is that it is really an islamic effort to invade and show supremacy if not their intention to practice it.

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Pats: I've heard both sides of that argument. Yeah, there's some violent stuff in the Koran. Have you ever read the Bible? You'll find a vengeful, petty, jealous God in there too.

And as a side note - apparently people (myself included) are jumping to conclusions. I've read a few reports that what's planned at the site is a *cultural center*, not a "full-fleged" mosque (though I haven't totally confirmed that yet).

Bill: So it means what YOU say it means? Never mind what the stated intent of the people involved is? You've just made the same arguments that my ex-wife made against me in my *very* bitter divorce case. Reality didn't matter with her. If something happened, it happened for reasons that SHE stated, never mind the real reason.

Muslims today seem to be the "Commies Under The Bed"-du-jour and knee-jerk reactions never sit well with me.

Like I said, I see too many parallels with other religions that "get a pass" and don't suffer the same kind of backlash.

Why, might you ask, so I seem so defensive? Because if we REALLY DO go to war with ALL of Islam, we've just made a billion and a half people into our enemies. I don't like those odds.

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Pats: I've heard both sides of that argument. Yeah, there's some violent stuff in the Koran. Have you ever read the Bible? You'll find a vengeful, petty, jealous God in there too.

And as a side note - apparently people (myself included) are jumping to conclusions. I've read a few reports that what's planned at the site is a *cultural center*, not a "full-fleged" mosque (though I haven't totally confirmed that yet).

Bill: So it means what YOU say it means? Never mind what the stated intent of the people involved is? You've just made the same arguments that my ex-wife made against me in my *very* bitter divorce case. Reality didn't matter with her. If something happened, it happened for reasons that SHE stated, never mind the real reason.

Muslims today seem to be the "Commies Under The Bed"-du-jour and knee-jerk reactions never sit well with me.

Like I said, I see too many parallels with other religions that "get a pass" and don't suffer the same kind of backlash.

Why, might you ask, so I seem so defensive? Because if we REALLY DO go to war with ALL of Islam, we've just made a billion and a half people into our enemies. I don't like those odds.

Did you view the video? Sounds like you didn't. Did you not understand the difference between the Bible and their Qur'an.
And for your information, they are already at war with us. We have no choice in the matter!!!!

I might have to agree with your ex. I don't think you really LISTEN!!

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since we seem to have moved away from recovery in this thread, i sorta wanna back up a thought in btk's post about the mosque being a 'slap in the face'.

newt gingrich a week or so ago raised the point that there is a reason why the proposed mosque is to be called the cordoba initiative; and it goes way back to the Islamic invasion of the spanish city of cordoba in which they conquered the Spanish, sold them into slavery, and used cordoba as a base for slaver raids into other parts of Europe, and ruled by the sword of the caliph [who succeeded mohammed].

The mosque of cordoba was built on the site of a christian cathedral but was lost to a European invasion and then reconstructed as a cathedral. The conquest and reconquest has not been forgotten by islamists who have been waiting to restore the glory of their original invasion. choosing the name of cordoba initiative is in reality another act of hostility and is descriptive of the islamists intention to expand, invade and subjugate.

An article that can be found here: http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/article/64/2700.html that explains newt’s presentation much better that I did.

now this info freaked me out...to know that regardless of whatever reasons for building on this site get thrown around, the bottom line is that it is really an islamic effort to invade and show supremacy if not their intention to practice it.

omg. It is called the Cordoba Initiative? Thank you for writing this, njbchbum.

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While Bush was President, the liberals complained about what the world thought of USA.

Well, you don't need to speak Chinese to understand what the world thinks of Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfdaDVBDto&feature=player_embedded

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Better a billion and a half that two or three billion.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38667261#38667261

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38667261#38667261

As I was watching your video, I turned on the TV and G. Beck has the same thing on.

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Hey what can I say? Great minds think alike.

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Amazing to me people scrambling to get a a chance at a government handout. Here's a newspaper article from a town near where I'm from. Poor, proud mountain folks. Jobs are scarce. Most of the coal mines have long shut down. People scramble to get by on low paying jobs. They depend on their families, neighbors and churches to give a hand up sometimes.

My 91-year old father was telling me about this event. It is people we know, I was born and raised with the McGlothlins who put this together. Here's how life is suppose to work. Some $15 million raised privately for a private school in the coalfields of Virginia for needy children from all over the world. World class education. The school used to be a private orphanage.


http://www2.tricities.com/news/2010/jun/09/mountain_mission_school_golf_benefit_nets_record-b-ar-233713/

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Pats: So all those peaceful muslims (i.e. every one that I ever met) must all be sleeper terrorist just waiting to launch an attack in this war.

Pats, I truly feel sorry for you that you live in such a paranoid world. Yeah, there are people out to kill us. I'd like to do unto them first without killing everyone around indiscriminately.

In other words, the guy at the 7-11 doesn't scare me.

And are you aware that this country was settled by people escaping religious persecution? I'm sure you are. But are you aware of one of the reasons they (the Puritans) were being persecuted? Because the church in England didn't think too kindly of the way the Puritans used the Bible to justify beating their children. Remember, these are the people that brought us the Salem Witch Trials in the 1600s.

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In other words, the guy at the 7-11 doesn't scare me.

The 9-11 terrorists blended in pretty well I'd say... flying lessons and all. I bet no one was really scared of them either... until.

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Pats: So all those peaceful muslims (i.e. every one that I ever met) must all be sleeper terrorist just waiting to launch an attack in this war.

Pats, I truly feel sorry for you that you live in such a paranoid world. Yeah, there are people out to kill us. I'd like to do unto them first without killing everyone around indiscriminately.

In other words, the guy at the 7-11 doesn't scare me.

And are you aware that this country was settled by people escaping religious persecution? I'm sure you are. But are you aware of one of the reasons they (the Puritans) were being persecuted? Because the church in England didn't think too kindly of the way the Puritans used the Bible to justify beating their children. Remember, these are the people that brought us the Salem Witch Trials in the 1600s.

Did you at least view the video. Do you know the qur' an was written by one person? Did you know they want all the infidels eliminated?

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Did you at least view the video. Do you know the qur' an was written by one person? Did you know they want all the infidels eliminated?

Don't think he cares. He just want you to shut up about it.

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Did you at least view the video. Do you know the qur' an was written by one person? Did you know they want all the infidels eliminated?

Yeah, I looked at the video. You ARE aware that the Koran was *dictated* by Muhammed and *legend* has it that it wasn't until 22 years after the 'revelation' that anyone STARTED to write it down.

Check the history of it - it was an oral tradition for quite a while before the idea to 'compile it' and 'write it all down' took hold.

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Yeah, I looked at the video. You ARE aware that the Koran was *dictated* by Muhammed and *legend* has it that it wasn't until 22 years after the 'revelation' that anyone STARTED to write it down.

Check the history of it - it was an oral tradition for quite a while before the idea to 'compile it' and 'write it all down' took hold.

dp, I do not question you on this. Certainly, we know that the Koran like many texts started out with an oral tradition. However, I believe that we know this is irrelevant. What is relevant is what is taught in the madrasas and believed by those that 'graduate' from them. The impact of these schools is seen in the increasing radicalization of Islam. They do believe for example that the Jews drink the blood of Arab babies, that Israel and the United States are the lesser and greater satan, that killing non-believers is the right thing to do, etc. These are what they believe and what is truth for them.

Any course of action we take, must recognize this reality and stop trying to ignore it by saying that the educated Muslims do not believe this. Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan was an educated man, UBL has a civil engineering degree, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed earned his degree in Mechanical engineering in North Carolina, all of the 9/11 terrorists were college educated, etc.

I do not pretend to know the solution. What I do know is that sticking our heads in the sand and justifying the terrorism by saying we were just like that does not come to grips with the realities of today.

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BBQ: I completely agree when it comes to the madrassas and what they teach along with a whole host of other myths that are perpetuated by the ignorant.

In the late 1970s a Jewish friend of mine encountered someone who still believed that Jews wore yarmulkas to cover the horns on their head.

In the 60s, some groups opposed JFK because they believed that he would be taking his marching orders from the Vatican.

Even today, most Catholics don't know some of the basic precepts that are the foundation of their own religion (and I was raised Catholic). I mean, most Catholics have no idea what the Immaculate Conception actually is, so I don't find it surprising that many Muslims don't fully know what's in the Koran. And just like the Bible is full of religious intolerance, hatred and vengeance in parts, so is the Koran. It's all in how you react to it.

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BBQ: I completely agree when it comes to the madrassas and what they teach along with a whole host of other myths that are perpetuated by the ignorant.

In the late 1970s a Jewish friend of mine encountered someone who still believed that Jews wore yarmulkas to cover the horns on their head.

In the 60s, some groups opposed JFK because they believed that he would be taking his marching orders from the Vatican.

Even today, most Catholics don't know some of the basic precepts that are the foundation of their own religion (and I was raised Catholic). I mean, most Catholics have no idea what the Immaculate Conception actually is, so I don't find it surprising that many Muslims don't fully know what's in the Koran. And just like the Bible is full of religious intolerance, hatred and vengeance in parts, so is the Koran. It's all in how you react to it.

Yes the 70's. The decade of many delusional dropouts. I would not condemn people for their thinking that the Vatican would influence a world leader of the same faith, especially in the late 50's. Back then many world leaders thought the Vatican's influence was important. Remember, the Vatican took alot of heat because many people worldwide thought that there should have been more condemnation about the Holocaust.

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as if knowledgeable about what most Catholics believe.
Maybe....MAYBE you are applying to the whole what little you know about the few you know personally. But to profess what MOST do not know is not only inflamatory but most certainly reflects your very obvious hang up with Catholics.
Like Obama your belefs are conveyed by what comes out of ones mouth. And like Obama you have your foot squarely in your mouth when you say what "most" believe. Such ongoing harranging on a prejudice dis-credits ones position in a discussion.

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The only "most believe" that I said was about the Immaculate Conception. Please quote me where I said otherwise.

I know it's tangent here but.. The reason I said "Most Believe" was because, having gone to Catholic school, I was raised to believe that the Immaculate Conception was the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, in that she was never with a man 'in the biblical sense'.

I was in my late 30s when I discovered that the Immaculate Conception was actually the conception of *Mary* - and was deemed such because the Church decided that she could not have been tainted by Original Sin (as we were taught we all were) - the reason being that Jesus could not be carried in the womb of someone who was sufferring under Original Sin - so HER conception (presumably by her parents) was deemed 'Immaculate'.

Hardly anyone knows this and when you *do* ask around it's not exactly hidden - they (meaning the Church) just don't "advertise" it.

And, no, I'm not making this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

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Obama's cumulative job deficit stands at 7.6 million jobs.

No wonder Social Security is running in the red for the first time.

Where are the jobs that Obama promised?

Will the media hold him to it? (hehe) (don't hold your breath)

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/06/what-recovery-summer/

Pray tell, how did the above original post get so far off point that djplong is defining the Immaculate Conception??

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Pray tell, how did the above original post get so far off point that djplong is defining the Immaculate Conception??

LOL There is so much hijacking around here it should be monitored by the Highway Police. I think someone has religion issues, especially of the Catholic variety.

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It's from going off on tangents. You try to show an example of something, the debate turns to that instead of the original and, before you know it, you're looking around in the middle of the woods going "How did I get here??"

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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-failed-recovery-summer/



July sales for used homes lowest in 15 years.

Construction worst in many years.

Where are the jobs?

No more talk of going below 9% unemployment.

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http://www.drudgereport.com/

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This was predicted by just about everyone when the home-buying tax credits expired.

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This was predicted by just about everyone when the home-buying tax credits expired.

The homebuyer credit was extended and doesn't expire until Sept. 30, 2010. That is the date home buyers have to close on the mortgage and be eligible for the first-time buyer credit of $8,000 or $6,500 for the existing home owner credit.

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I thought it was just the deadline for having the P&S signed that was extended (allowing for people who took a lot of time to arrange financing).

If true, I stand corrected. I hadn't heard.

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The homebuyer credit was extended and doesn't expire until Sept. 30, 2010. That is the date home buyers have to close on the mortgage and be eligible for the first-time buyer credit of $8,000 or $6,500 for the existing home owner credit.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204671,00.html