When did COVID-19 first infect people?

[manaboutown]

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[JimJohnson]

Fake news!

[Villagerjjm]

FAKE NEWS !!! Look it up!!!

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[Byte1]

What makes this "fake news?"

[anothersteve]

Plenty of news sources are carrying the same story.

Steve

[LoisR]

MD, PHD and Fox News. Want to take a guess which one doesn't belong? Strange how my spell check wants to change Fox News to Fix News.

[oneclickplus]

Please substantiate any claim of fake news.

This story is being reported across multiple news organizations ... even the fake ones on the left.

[Dana1963]

Do to many unexplained deaths in California late November early December

[rlcooper70]

Instead of quoting Fox News, here's an interesting piece from MIT. Relates to indoor spaces and scientists’ evolving thinking.

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way
If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way | MIT Technology Review (https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/)

Takeaways:

Staying Safe: “strict mask use” … “the virus sheds like crazy” …. but for masks to really stop the transmission they have to be tight and worn all the time (even around family) .. “sanitizing every single surface … huge waste of time.”

Variables: longer time indoors … restaurants, bars, offices, classrooms, churches. Ventilation needs to be a higher priority (big problem in older buildings). UV Light dissipates the virus in air in less than a minute.

Advice = stay in well ventilated areas with as few people as possible and spend as little time as possible in enclosed spaces.

[turk3531]

Then, CNN should be LNN, Liars News Network!

[BayLady57]

I am going to respond to your question of "when did Covid-19 first infect people" and not the Fox new because I did not read it.

I am a still employed veteran R.N. x 42 years and the last 20 working in a primary care clinic for an Uncle Sam healthcare agency. After returning from a cruise in late February which was before the Covid ship really hit the fan, my vacation from my vacation week that followed my cruise both my husband and I were down for the count with what we thought was a garden variety cold. We did not have the classic main Covid symptoms of shortness of breath and fever, but we did have a persistent dry cough and severe fatigue. Before I was due to return to work I did call my employee health office with my concerns about returning to work, although I was better I still had a slight residual cough. I was told "no worries just wear a mask if you still have a cough." Needless to say I do believe both my husband and I had Covid, and I am beyond grateful we survived it especially both being in our 60s with a couple of chronic although controlled disease between us. As a result of my own personal experience I made it a quest to do as much research as I could on Covid-19. To date the most concise data on the timeline of Covid-19 I have found that I tend to agree with is contained in an article written by Tom Squitieri for The American Prospect.The article is on the long side so I will try to relay as brief as I can what it says.

Although patient zero has yet to be identified or disclosed, some infectious disease sources speculate that the first Chinese people could have been infected with Covid-19 as early as August of 2019. The vector of transmission to the U.S likely happened when 300 members of the U.S. Military, DOD members and personnel participated in the Military World Games in Wuhan China in October of 2019. These individuals traveled to and back from China on chartered planes and all these planes departed from and returned to Sea-Tac Airport where coincidently Washington State was one of the 1st states to show a spike in Covid-19 cases. Those that attended those games returned to at least 219 home bases in 25 different states, and unfortunately were never tested for Covid-19 because the authorities that work in the building that begins with a "P" which you can read more about it in the article felt testing of these individuals was not needed because they held to December 31, 2019 as being the "critical outbreak day." Sadly we are now learning that the "critical outbreak day" should likely have been moved up a few months, and had that happened those returning from the Wuhan games would have been quarantined and Covid-19 tested which no doubt would have significantly reduced the transmission of this deadly virus.

BTW, I don't live in TV but my husband are giving your community strong retirement relocation consideration and are doing a lifestyle visit next month which is the reason why I joined this forum, saw your post, and decided to respond to it.

[OhioBuckeye]

Fake news!
CNN you’re right! Thanks for clearing that up, whew!

[Footer]

I watched both the 13 minute video and the 5 minute Tucker Carlson video. I have been doing business in China for over 35 years. My wife is Chinese. Nothing she said surprised me. Obviously I have no first hand information but I would give her the benefit of the doubt. I do have a few comments though.

1. Nothing she said in the interview was "kill-worthy". At this point it's old news. Does she have something more to say?
2. There are likely still cover-ups going on to protect people who could have minimized the impact of the virus, but in China there is only one person who really matters - President Xi. If there were evidence of him mishandling the response that would be a big deal. However, China has taken somewhat Draconian matters to stop the spread in their country which Xi has no doubt approved. They will do whatever it takes to contain the virus. It's in their best interest that the virus be stopped both in China and worldwide.
3. This was an exclusive interview with Fox News so naturally all the coverage on other sites will point back to Fox until she does another interview.
4. Tucker Carlson seemed to be more interested in the origin of the virus. This is useful if it can somehow lead to the cure. What Fox News should take from the interview is further reinforcement of the seriousness of the virus and encourage their audience to wear masks and social distance, which is all we as individuals can do to stop the spread. There are other threads on TOTV where people minimize the severity because most of the Coronavirus news is from the mainstream media and does not paint a flattering picture of Mr. Trump's handling of the Pandemic. If Fox News would reinforce the seriousness of the pandemic then it would go a long way to reducing its spread.

[IvorT]

I read an article in a British newspaper that said that scientists from the Wuhan virology institute, visited a cave system about 1000 mile from Wuhan, looking for samples of bat viruses. This was in summer of last year. Apparently there had been three unexplained deaths and several illnesses, in some nearby town.

Did it escape from the institute, who knows. Did they leak it intentionally, who knows. I read that we do know that the virus infecting us and Europeans, is slightly different from the Chinese variety.

[Rosebud1949]

Certain that Covid 19 was around just after Christmas.. many had what they classed as a "strange flu"..more who cruised had it end Jan early Feb... maybe thats why Sumter County has low figures, we have some antibodies... never the less... we still need to take care, wear a mask in multi person company and get rid of this disease, dont wait for the politicians to help, they are only concerned with the almighty $$$$$, risking all lives including children's. If we all wear a mask, we can shop, eat and use the local businesses and maybe save some of them.

[manaboutown]

I am going to respond to your question of "when did Covid-19 first infect people" and not the Fox new because I did not read it.

I am a still employed veteran R.N. x 42 years and the last 20 working in a primary care clinic for an Uncle Sam healthcare agency. After returning from a cruise in late February which was before the Covid ship really hit the fan, my vacation from my vacation week that followed my cruise both my husband and I were down for the count with what we thought was a garden variety cold. We did not have the classic main Covid symptoms of shortness of breath and fever, but we did have a persistent dry cough and severe fatigue. Before I was due to return to work I did call my employee health office with my concerns about returning to work, although I was better I still had a slight residual cough. I was told "no worries just wear a mask if you still have a cough." Needless to say I do believe both my husband and I had Covid, and I am beyond grateful we survived it especially both being in our 60s with a couple of chronic although controlled disease between us. As a result of my own personal experience I made it a quest to do as much research as I could on Covid-19. To date the most concise data on the timeline of Covid-19 I have found that I tend to agree with is contained in an article written by Tom Squitieri for The American Prospect.The article is on the long side so I will try to relay as brief as I can what it says.

Although patient zero has yet to be identified or disclosed, some infectious disease sources speculate that the first Chinese people could have been infected with Covid-19 as early as August of 2019. The vector of transmission to the U.S likely happened when 300 members of the U.S. Military, DOD members and personnel participated in the Military World Games in Wuhan China in October of 2019. These individuals traveled to and back from China on chartered planes and all these planes departed from and returned to Sea-Tac Airport where coincidently Washington State was one of the 1st states to show a spike in Covid-19 cases. Those that attended those games returned to at least 219 home bases in 25 different states, and unfortunately were never tested for Covid-19 because the authorities that work in the building that begins with a "P" which you can read more about it in the article felt testing of these individuals was not needed because they held to December 31, 2019 as being the "critical outbreak day." Sadly we are now learning that the "critical outbreak day" should likely have been moved up a few months, and had that happened those returning from the Wuhan games would have been quarantined and Covid-19 tested which no doubt would have significantly reduced the transmission of this deadly virus.

BTW, I don't live in TV but my husband are giving your community strong retirement relocation consideration and are doing a lifestyle visit next month which is the reason why I joined this forum, saw your post, and decided to respond to it.

Thank you for posting this and welcome to The Villages if you decide to relocate here. It is a great place to live! Many wonderful people retire here.

A friend of mine was up in Bainbridge Island for Thanksgiving with her grandchildren in 2019. She became the sickest she had ever been in her life for over a month. Two of her grandchildren had to be hospitalized with pneumonia. She commented that a lot of Chinese live there and that Chinese nationals come and go, probably on business and to visit family.

The Chinese government stopped domestic flights from Wuhan throughout China way before they stopped international flights in and out of Wuhan. This too, could explain the spread of the virus outside of China before the rest of the world was told about its existence.

[Slapnut]

How about CNN ( communist news network) they are the cancer of news stations

[Slapnut]

Masks don't work. Look up the statistics

[allsport]

Or Faux News.

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[manaboutown]

Or Faux News.

If one wants faux news tune in CNN, MSNBC and other stations of their ilk as they are merely propaganda organs of the left. If one wants the facts, tune in Fox. Duh!

[manaboutown]

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