Not guilty

[John41]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

[Stu from NYC]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

Why do you think that?

[retiredguy123]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.
You may be correct. If I were on the jury, I could only convict the police officers if the prosecutor could prove that they knew their actions would cause death. When a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, they are almost never charged with a crime. I see this as a similar situation.

[shut the front door]

Not if the prosecutor gets the jury he wants.
And if they do get found not guilty, these riots the last 6 weeks will look like a tea party.

[kcrazorbackfan]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

I can see that happening; just think what the rioting will be like after that.....

BLM doesn’t believe in the justice system.

[ureout]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

[DeanFL]

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If/whenever that DOES happen, all hell will break loose - countrywide. Remember Ridney King trial in L.A.??? This would make THAT look like child's play...


1992 Los Angeles riots
Apr 29, 1992 – May 4, 1992
Description
DescriptionThe 1992 Los Angeles riots, sometimes called the 1992 Los Angeles uprising, were a series of riots and civil disturbances that occurred in Los Angeles County in April and May 1992. Wikipedia
Dates: Apr 29, 1992 – May 4, 1992
Arrested: 12,111
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
Total number of deaths: 63
Injuries: 2,383
Methods: Looting, Assault, Arson, Protest, Property damage, Murder, Riot


The 1992 Los Angeles riots, sometimes called the 1992 Los Angeles uprising,[4][5] were a series of riots and civil disturbances that occurred in Los Angeles County in April and May 1992. Unrest began in South Central Los Angeles on April 29, after a trial jury acquitted four officers of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for usage of excessive force in the arrest and beating of Rodney King, which had been videotaped and widely viewed in TV broadcasts.

The rioting took place in several areas in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, as thousands of people rioted over a six-day period following the announcement of the verdict. Widespread looting, assault, and arson occurred during the riots, which local police forces had difficulty to control due to lack of personnel and resources. The situation in the Los Angeles area was only resolved after the California National Guard, the United States military, and several federal law enforcement agencies were deployed to assist in ending the violence and unrest.

By the time the riots ended, 63 people had been killed,[6] 2,383 had been injured, more than 12,000 had been arrested, and estimates of property damage were over $1 billion, much of which disproportionately affected Koreatown, where the bulk of rioting occurred. LAPD Chief of Police Daryl Gates, who had already announced his resignation by the time of the riots, was attributed with much of the blame for failure to de-escalate the situation and overall mismanagement
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[graciegirl]

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

[tvbound]

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

I couldn't agree more.

As for the all white jury (after a venue change), that acquitted the 4 white cops that beat Rodney King as we all saw the video of them doing it and without a doubt of them being guilty, who can say with a straight face that white privilege doesn't exist? The rioting, death, destruction and looting should not have happened however and no one should advocate such, even in the face of such an obvious miscarriage of justice. OJ Simpson should have been put in prison for life for his vicious murders, but because the King verdict was such an atrocity of justice, he got away with it as payback for King. That so many don't see anything wrong with what Chauvin did, shows how little we've improved as a nation when it comes to how we view blacks in our society. If there is any question to that fact, a person only needs to read the constant threads and posts on this site to see the same attitude.

Having scoured all of the threads and posts since this incident, there's one thing I haven't seen a single person say. That being how they think their life would have been easier in general and they would have had a better chance, or an easier time, of being successful, if only they had been born with black skin.

[DeanFL]

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.
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Yes, and GG (other-feet type of thing) IF the (unbelievably STUPID MN officer) did NOT (for whatever reason) kneel on GFs neck (at all) and for SO long. GF would still be alive.

But honestly, the way this country is becoming so ravaged politically, if THAT spark didn't ignite matters - yet another one would have. AND... wait until the next one...
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[James Buckert]

I don’t think it was Floyd’s fault that a cop killed him. For example, if I get pulled over for speeding I don’t expect a cop to kill me, even though my mama said not to speed.

[Stu from NYC]

I couldn't agree more.

As for the all white jury (after a venue change), that acquitted the 4 white cops that beat Rodney King as we all saw the video of them doing it and without a doubt of them being guilty, who can say with a straight face that white privilege doesn't exist? The rioting, death, destruction and looting should not have happened however and no one should advocate such, even in the face of such an obvious miscarriage of justice. OJ Simpson should have been put in prison for life for his vicious murders, but because the King verdict was such an atrocity of justice, he got away with it as payback for King. That so many don't see anything wrong with what Chauvin did, shows how little we've improved as a nation when it comes to how we view blacks in our society. If there is any question to that fact, a person only needs to read the constant threads and posts on this site to see the same attitude.

Having scoured all of the threads and posts since this incident, there's one thing I haven't seen a single person say. That being how they think their life would have been easier in general and they would have had a better chance, or an easier time, of being successful, if only they had been born with black skin.

Almost all of the people on here think the cop is guilty based on what we saw.

One of these days blm will find someone with a clean record to make a hero out of.

[jacksonbrown]

g00gle "george floyd and fentanyl" (https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00zKkfSq_dEIgE4moHj4W43Lb8q7g%3A 1594412577596&source=hp&ei=Ic4IX_jyIInKswWwppPYAQ&q=george+floyd+and+fentanyl&oq=george+floyd+and+fentanyl&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1DnCljnCmDcEWgAcAB4AIABZIgBZJI BAzAuMZgBAKABAqABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi4h73awcPqAhUJ5awKHTDTBBsQ4dUDCAg&uact=5), 618,000 results, take your pick.

[anothersteve]

Having scoured all of the threads and posts since this incident, there's one thing I haven't seen a single person say. That being how they think their life would have been easier in general and they would have had a better chance, or an easier time, of being successful, if only they had been born with black skin.

Because it's a BS hypothetical question, as are all hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions only yield hypothetical answers.
Hypothetically speaking of course.

Steve

[John41]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

Why do you think that?

1. kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis to incapacitate him in a similar way the choke hold was used. Unfortunately there is no precise time limit to achieve the objective and like the choke hold death can occur., but rarely.

2. George Floyd had a history of violence and was high on meth at the time of his arrest. This can lead to irrational behavior and is especially problematic for the police officers safety.

3. George Floyd twice resisted arrest. Office Chauvin talked respectfully to Mr. Floyd and offered an option of two ways to be arrested and taken to jail. Mr. Floyd was a three time loser and faced life if arrested . This might have been part of his refusal to follow police instructions.

4. Courts recognize the judgements police must make on the spot and intent to harm will have to be proven.

The arrested policemen are probably safer in jail than out on bail.

[ureout]

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

gracie, it's not about what he did... yes if he passed a bogus $20 bill he should be arrested... my point is he was handcuffed and subdued... what was the purpose of keeping a knee on his neck for 8 minutes?? I could understand if he was fighting back but he was just lying there.. this cop gives all the good cops a bad name and makes it harder for them to do their job.. as far as following the bible.. I personally don't believe anymore

[TexaninVA]

I can see that happening; just think what the rioting will be like after that.....

BLM doesn’t believe in the justice system.

Let them riot ... except this time the police should read them the Riot Act three times, and then open fire if the rooters don't disburse and start torching the place.

This has been a fundamental part of English Common Law ... since forever.

[roscoguy]

1. kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis to incapacitate him in a similar way the choke hold was used. Unfortunately there is no precise time limit to achieve the objective and like the choke hold death can occur., but rarely.

2. George Floyd had a history of violence and was high on meth at the time of his arrest. This can lead to irrational behavior and is especially problematic for the police officers safety.

3. George Floyd twice resisted arrest. Office Chauvin talked respectfully to Mr. Floyd and offered an option of two ways to be arrested and taken to jail. Mr. Floyd was a three time loser and faced life if arrested . This might have been part of his refusal to follow police instructions.

4. Courts recognize the judgements police must make on the spot and intent to harm will have to be proven.

The arrested policemen are probably safer in jail than out on bail.

Almost complete "alternative facts".

1. No. Neither is nor was. Or can you show us where kneeling was authorized?

2. Again, no. "There were also traces of recent methamphetamine use." Source: Updated Autopsy Report: George Floyd Died of Heart Attack with Evidence of Fentanyl and Meth Use | Science Times (https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25898/20200601/updated-autopsy-report-george-floyd-died-heart-attack-evidence-fentanyl.htm)
And even if he had used meth, Officer Chauvin supposedly knew this???

3. Three in a row, nope. According to Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo, a 30-year veteran, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest". Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on George Floyd's killing, policies during protests and reform for his department - 60 Minutes - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-police-chief-medaria-arradondo-geroge-floyd-killing-60-minutes-2020-06-21/)

4. Maybe. :ohdear:

[roscoguy]

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

Possibly counterfeit. According to Earl Gray, the attorney representing Thomas Lane, one of the cops involved, "...after the car was searched, two $20 bills and two $1 bills that he (Lane) saw were counterfeit were found between the seats.“ Counterfeit $20 bill now part of George Floyd murder case (https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/counterfeit-20-bill-now-part-of-george-floyd-murder-case/)
Counterfeit $1 bills??? Something fishy here. Let's wait for the official report.

[TomPerry]

The videos in the case that were released show Floyd handcuffed up against a storefront and not putting up much resistance. The next video shows Floyd on the other side of the street, on the ground behind a police cruiser with several police on him with Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. What happened between those two videos???? Those unreleased videos hold the key to what happened. IF Floyd was violent then some form of restraint was justified. IF only minimal restraint was justified, and the police used excessive force, then perhaps murder 3 or manslaughter would be appropriate. IF Floyd was not violent, then perhaps murder 1 would be appropriate. Floyd being handcuffed and showing little resistance and then later being on the other side of the street on the ground with several cops on him with Chauvin kneeling on his neck indicates to me that something is missing. We need all the evidence before we can judge what really happened!

[GoodLife]

Almost complete "alternative facts".

1. No. Neither is nor was. Or can you show us where kneeling was authorized?

2. Again, no. "There were also traces of recent methamphetamine use." Source: Updated Autopsy Report: George Floyd Died of Heart Attack with Evidence of Fentanyl and Meth Use | Science Times (https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25898/20200601/updated-autopsy-report-george-floyd-died-heart-attack-evidence-fentanyl.htm)
And even if he had used meth, Officer Chauvin supposedly knew this???

3. Three in a row, nope. According to Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo, a 30-year veteran, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest". Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on George Floyd's killing, policies during protests and reform for his department - 60 Minutes - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-police-chief-medaria-arradondo-geroge-floyd-killing-60-minutes-2020-06-21/)

4. Maybe. :ohdear:

1. Why did Chief say they banned a policy, that does not exist?

2. Floyd autopsy stated he was "intoxicated" with fentanyl and it was measured at a level that can be lethal.

3. You are misconstruing what the Chief said. There are bodycam audio tapes of Floyd refusing to raise his hands, struggling with officers when they put him in a patrol car. Even a witness in the car saying "stop resisting Floyd"

The transcripts show Floyd continued to ask officers not to shoot him as he stepped from his vehicle and suggest he struggled with officers as they tried to handcuff him. “Stop resisting Floyd!” Shawanda Renee Hill, a witness inside the car, called out, according to the transcript of the footage from Lane’s camera.

According to the transcripts, the officers tried placing Floyd in the squad car, but he resisted, repeatedly telling them he was “claustrophobic” and had “anxiety.” He begged to be released from his handcuffs, promising he wouldn’t hurt anyone. “Y’all, I’m going to die in here,” he told them. “I just had COVID man, don’t want to go back to that.”

By then, Chauvin and Thao had arrived as Kueng and Lane were struggling to get Floyd in the car. It’s unclear whether they were attempting to assist, but at one point, an unknown officer sought to intervene, according to the transcripts. “Man, you’re going to die of a heart attack,” one of the officers told Floyd. “Just get in the car.”

[Stu from NYC]

1. Why did Chief say they banned a policy, that does not exist?

2. Floyd autopsy stated he was "intoxicated" with fentanyl and it was measured at a level that can be lethal.

3. You are misconstruing what the Chief said. There are bodycam audio tapes of Floyd refusing to raise his hands, struggling with officers when they put him in a patrol car. Even a witness in the car saying "stop resisting Floyd"

The transcripts show Floyd continued to ask officers not to shoot him as he stepped from his vehicle and suggest he struggled with officers as they tried to handcuff him. “Stop resisting Floyd!” Shawanda Renee Hill, a witness inside the car, called out, according to the transcript of the footage from Lane’s camera.

According to the transcripts, the officers tried placing Floyd in the squad car, but he resisted, repeatedly telling them he was “claustrophobic” and had “anxiety.” He begged to be released from his handcuffs, promising he wouldn’t hurt anyone. “Y’all, I’m going to die in here,” he told them. “I just had COVID man, don’t want to go back to that.”

By then, Chauvin and Thao had arrived as Kueng and Lane were struggling to get Floyd in the car. It’s unclear whether they were attempting to assist, but at one point, an unknown officer sought to intervene, according to the transcripts. “Man, you’re going to die of a heart attack,” one of the officers told Floyd. “Just get in the car.”

I saw the interview of the chief on 60 minutes. I was not impressed thought he thought more of the rioters than his people.

[manaboutown]

Having scoured all of the threads and posts since this incident, there's one thing I haven't seen a single person say. That being how they think their life would have been easier in general and they would have had a better chance, or an easier time, of being successful, if only they had been born with black skin.

If I'd been born with black skin I may have been able to get into Harvard or other top drawer university or college with mediocre grades and a low SAT score under Affirmative Action. I would have been coached on tests and given answers ahead of time so I could pass.

I might even have obtained a full ride in graduate school as a "foreign student".

And I may have been sought out by employers and given much higher salaries than my counterparts and only had to show up on paydays to collect my paychecks, never really doing any work due to affirmative actions type quotas. I would be literally unfirable.


As a white I saw all of the above happen and more than once.

[TexaninVA]

If I'd been born with black skin I may have been able to get into Harvard or other top drawer university or college with mediocre grades and a low SAT score under Affirmative Action. I would have been coached on tests and given answers ahead of time so I could pass.

I might even have obtained a full ride in graduate school as a "foreign student".

And I may have been sought out by employers and given much higher salaries than my counterparts and only had to show up on paydays to collect my paychecks, never really doing any work due to affirmative actions type quotas. I would be literally unfirable.


As I white I saw all of the above happen and more than once.

This is so obviously true for anyone who's been in the corporate world ... which has become the home of woke. But, it sound strange because speech codes forbid anyone saying this hence we all pretend it doesn't exist.

Usually, when several people of roughly comparable competence competed for a job and the black guy was selected ... that was ok with me.

But, when an incompetent boob was selected pretty much because of the color of the skin ... I had, and have, a problem with that.

To put it in personal terms, would anyone want an affirmative action heart surgeon operating on them?

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[DrBrutyle109]

Yes! The actions of one scumbag cop means that are all like that. Idiots!

[stadry]

similarly the cop in atl will be found not guilty,,, the da has overcharged the case probably for 2 reasons: 1, an attempt to mollify black public opinion; & 2, to demonstrate his ability/performance in office is reason to re-elect him.

[roscoguy]

1. Why did Chief say they banned a policy, that does not exist?

2. Floyd autopsy stated he was "intoxicated" with fentanyl and it was measured at a level that can be lethal.

3. You are misconstruing what the Chief said. There are bodycam audio tapes of Floyd refusing to raise his hands, struggling with officers when they put him in a patrol car. Even a witness in the car saying "stop resisting Floyd"

The transcripts show Floyd continued to ask officers not to shoot him as he stepped from his vehicle and suggest he struggled with officers as they tried to handcuff him. “Stop resisting Floyd!” Shawanda Renee Hill, a witness inside the car, called out, according to the transcript of the footage from Lane’s camera.

According to the transcripts, the officers tried placing Floyd in the squad car, but he resisted, repeatedly telling them he was “claustrophobic” and had “anxiety.” He begged to be released from his handcuffs, promising he wouldn’t hurt anyone. “Y’all, I’m going to die in here,” he told them. “I just had COVID man, don’t want to go back to that.”

By then, Chauvin and Thao had arrived as Kueng and Lane were struggling to get Floyd in the car. It’s unclear whether they were attempting to assist, but at one point, an unknown officer sought to intervene, according to the transcripts. “Man, you’re going to die of a heart attack,” one of the officers told Floyd. “Just get in the car.”

The devil is in the details. The post I responded to declared that "kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis" which never was an expressly approved restraint. The "high on meth" is likewise a conclusion drawn by the poster rather than any official report. Stating these assumptions as facts just perpetuates more rumors & slants the whole conversation.
Maybe he was acting intoxicated, maybe he was genuinely claustrophobic. Neither one justifies kneeling on a fully restrained suspect's neck for nearly 9 minutes, including almost three minutes while Floyd was unresponsive.
I'm not misconstruing a direct answer to a direct question, Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo told Lesley Stahl, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest".

[LoisR]

Spoken like a true white person. Misconstrued, manipulated, inaccurate, and out right incorrect statements. Since when were the police given the right to be judge, jury and executioner? From a NYer who worked with the police and experienced the full range of human judgement and attitude.

[noslices1]

The family of George Floyd has already received more than $14,000,000.00 in “Go Fund Me” donations.

[Windguy]

I can see that happening; just think what the rioting will be like after that.....

BLM doesn’t believe in the justice system.

It’s hard to believe in a “justice” system that fails to get you justice time and time again for decades or even centuries.

[Luisa]

You may be correct. If I were on the jury, I could only convict the police officers if the prosecutor could prove that they knew their actions would cause death. When a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, they are almost never charged with a crime. I see this as a similar situation.
Chauvin said if Floyd could talk he could breathe which is true if someone is choking. However, major blood vessels like the carotid artery were being occluded. I do wonder if the reason for the neck hold was to minimize the spread of Covid 19 by keeping his head turned in the opposite direction. Chauvin told police he had Covid.

[Luisa]

Not if the prosecutor gets the jury he wants.
And if they do get found not guilty, these riots the last 6 weeks will look like a tea party.

Heard recently 75% of shootings and killings in large cities are not proscecuted.

[Hospes444]

Seriously??!!!

[GoodLife]

The devil is in the details. The post I responded to declared that "kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis" which never was an expressly approved restraint. The "high on meth" is likewise a conclusion drawn by the poster rather than any official report. Stating these assumptions as facts just perpetuates more rumors & slants the whole conversation.
Maybe he was acting intoxicated, maybe he was genuinely claustrophobic. Neither one justifies kneeling on a fully restrained suspect's neck for nearly 9 minutes, including almost three minutes while Floyd was unresponsive.
I'm not misconstruing a direct answer to a direct question, Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo told Lesley Stahl, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest".

I don't see those exact words in quotes anywhere in your link. Just the following exchange in which the Chief may be only disagreeing with the second part of Stahl's question. Doesn't matter anyway, the Chief did not witness the arrest and won't be called to testify on whether or not Floyd resisted. The defense will use the female witness in the car and bodycam video and audio to prove it.

Lesley Stahl: So as I understand it, there was something released to the press, that George Floyd had resisted arrest and that he had-- I'm gonna read this, died "after a medical incident during a police interaction."

Chief Medaria Arradondo: That was preliminary information that was absolutely an official police statement however, um, that was not accurate.

[Luisa]

The videos in the case that were released show Floyd handcuffed up against a storefront and not putting up much resistance. The next video shows Floyd on the other side of the street, on the ground behind a police cruiser with several police on him with Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. What happened between those two videos???? Those unreleased videos hold the key to what happened. IF Floyd was violent then some form of restraint was justified. IF only minimal restraint was justified, and the police used excessive force, then perhaps murder 3 or manslaughter would be appropriate. IF Floyd was not violent, then perhaps murder 1 would be appropriate. Floyd being handcuffed and showing little resistance and then later being on the other side of the street on the ground with several cops on him with Chauvin kneeling on his neck indicates to me that something is missing. We need all the evidence before we can judge what really happened!
I had the exact same question. It seemed an important part of the video was missing. Was it purposefully omitted by the media.

[mjpuleo]

I totally agree with you John 41, but do you really think Officer Chauvin is going to get off easy--that would mean a Civil War.

[camaguey48]

Thank a police officer for the work they do every chance you get. Speak up for America every chance you get.

[DecaturFargo]

Thank you for this comment. I am hearing echos of the "white piwer" guy with some of the comments.

[Luisa]

Fentanyl is a narcotic. Anyone in the medical profession knows respiratory depression is a major side effect of narcotics and can lead to death. As a matter of fact respiratory depression is the reason for death in narcotic overdoses. How much was respiratory depression related to Fentanyl use a factor? Fentanyl is one of the most powerful narcotics out there.

[golfing eagles]

Chauvin said if Floyd could talk he could breathe which is true if someone is choking. However, major blood vessels like the carotid artery were being occluded. I do wonder if the reason for the neck hold was to minimize the spread of Covid 19 by keeping his head turned in the opposite direction. Chauvin told police he had Covid.

If his carotids were occluded, he could not talk either, unless he could talk while unconscious

[kcrazorbackfan]

I don’t think it was Floyd’s fault that a cop killed him. For example, if I get pulled over for speeding I don’t expect a cop to kill me, even though my mama said not to speed.

Yeah, and you’re probably not a many time convicted felon like GF are you, either?

[kenoc7]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.
This is a bad joke, right? A police person who kneels on a ma's neck for nearly 9 minutes as the victim says "I can't breathe," must be found guilty of manslaughter, at the very least.

[Bay Kid]

Floyd and the police officer worked together for years as bouncers at a bar. Rumor is counterfeit money was being washed at the bar.
Now for the interesting question. Was Floyd and the police officer into washing money together? What if Floyd told the officer he was going to be arrested with him?
There is more to this than we are seeing.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

No!! They won’t.

[dewilson58]

Let the system work. We will C.

[greenflash245]

I certainly hope not. what are you judging this opinion on?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

Do you have all the facts that will be brought to light? I don't understand how someone can make a statement like this unless they know al of the facts.

I don't have anymore facts than what has been reported in the media. One thing that I haven't seen brought up here however is the fact that Officer Chauvin and Mr Floyd had a history. From what I understand they worked together as security guards, had several arguments and threats had been made.

[crash]

You may be correct. If I were on the jury, I could only convict the police officers if the prosecutor could prove that they knew their actions would cause death. When a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, they are almost never charged with a crime. I see this as a similar situation.

This was no mistake and not the first nor last black person to die from lack of oxygen by a choke hold.

Everyone knows if you stop oxygen to the brain you will die how much proof do you need.

Doctors don’t target black people to make mistakes on, way different.

[turk3531]

How about the girl murdered in the fast food parking lot!

[TexaninVA]

Spoken like a true white person. Misconstrued, manipulated, inaccurate, and out right incorrect statements. Since when were the police given the right to be judge, jury and executioner? From a NYer who worked with the police and experienced the full range of human judgement and attitude.

Let's reread that first sentence again ... "spoken like a true white person"

Racist thought that is well, simply despicable ... we need for guilty white liberals stop their self-abuse


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[Guitarman1951]

The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.
You are dreaming. They are going to hang these guys cause the BLM will once again riot, protest and stamp their feet if they don't. It doesn't matter if Floyd was high and crazy or a hardened criminal. They will be the fall guys no matter the truth or circumstances.

[daca55]

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

That’s what my mom told me too. But that still doesn’t excuse kneeing someone on their neck when he was handcuffed and it was 4 against one.

[Scorpyo]

You may be correct. If I were on the jury, I could only convict the police officers if the prosecutor could prove that they knew their actions would cause death. When a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, they are almost never charged with a crime. I see this as a similar situation.
I agree with you but I’ll do you one better. When a governor makes a mistake and kills thousands he is never charged with a crime.

[Luisa]

If his carotids were occluded, he could not talk either, unless he could talk while unconscious
I may have misspoken. I don’t know that his carotid artery was occluded, but I believe an interruption in blood supply was on the autopsy. The point I was trying to make was even if Floyd’s airway was open, an interruption of blood supply may have contributed to his death. It sounded like Chauvin was making an effort to assess Floyd’s well being with the comment if he can talk he can breathe but may have overlooked the fact that the blood supply to his heart and brain may have been interrupted. Floyd would have been able to talk for a period of time depending on the severity of an occlusion. Read my later comment regarding Fentanyl. This may have been a much larger factor than put out in the media.

[Scorpyo]

You are dreaming. They are going to hang these guys cause the BLM will once again riot, protest and stamp their feet if they don't. It doesn't matter if Floyd was high and crazy or a hardened criminal. They will be the fall guys no matter the truth or circumstances.
Sadly I have to agree with you. I hope we’re proven wrong.

[taruffi57]

I can see that happening; just think what the rioting will be like after that.....

BLM doesn’t believe in the justice system.
BLM and ANTIFA are hoping that will happen so they have the excuse to loot and burn. BLM is a known Marxist/Communist group whose goal is to eliminate capitalism and turn our great country to sociaism/communism. They are doing this under the guise of black lives inequality. Are you racist? Do you know anyone who is? They all should be rounded up and jailed.

[Yjacket74]

I’m disgusted by the replies I’m reading on this post. Just stop for 8 minutes and 46 seconds and imagine a knee pressed hard on your neck and you can’t move. All because of a counterfeit bill? Those who think the cop is innocent of murder is not paying any attention nor have any sense of reality.

[roscoguy]

I don't see those exact words in quotes anywhere in your link. Just the following exchange in which the Chief may be only disagreeing with the second part of Stahl's question. Doesn't matter anyway, the Chief did not witness the arrest and won't be called to testify on whether or not Floyd resisted. The defense will use the female witness in the car and bodycam video and audio to prove it.
True enough; nothing in the linked article was in quotes except when Leslie Stahl or Chief Arradondo were actually quoting someone else, just like in the 2 excerpts you included below. It turns out that the quote was actually from narration by Leslie Stahl (as opposed to the Q&A), which was not apparent in the transcript of the interview. The 2nd quote you included below says basically the same thing in the Chief's own words.
Lesley Stahl: So as I understand it, there was something released to the press, that George Floyd had resisted arrest and that he had-- I'm gonna read this, died "after a medical incident during a police interaction."

Chief Medaria Arradondo: That was preliminary information that was absolutely an official police statement however, um, that was not accurate.The Chief may or may not be called to testify at the trials. I'm sure the defense lawyers will use whatever video & witnesses they can to attempt to prove their clients' innocence.

[rakopacz@comcast.net]

It was quite obvious that the cop knew exactly what he was doing. It was cold blooded murder. There is no doubt in my mind or anyone else’s for that matter.

[roscoguy]

Floyd and the police officer worked together for years as bouncers at a bar. Rumor is counterfeit money was being washed at the bar.
Now for the interesting question. Was Floyd and the police officer into washing money together? What if Floyd told the officer he was going to be arrested with him?
There is more to this than we are seeing.

This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

[Kerry Azz]

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

It is about time this bad cop is locked up, Sadly there’s folks out there thinking he should get off I’ll assume they are former law officers. I’m hoping all involved in that murder end up in prison and in general population. Then justice will be served. And NO I am not a person angry at our fine men in law enforcement that we pay to enforce the law,
I’m sickened by the ones that try to protect the ones that are corrupt and dirty. They seem to forget what goes around comes around if another officer breaks the law its their duty to uphold the law. But from the beginning they’re taught to look the other way and don’t cross that blue line.
That makes them as corrupt as their brother.:ohdear:

[GoodLife]

True enough; nothing in the linked article was in quotes except when Leslie Stahl or Chief Arradondo were actually quoting someone else, just like in the 2 excerpts you included below. It turns out that the quote was actually from narration by Leslie Stahl (as opposed to the Q&A), which was not apparent in the transcript of the interview. The 2nd quote you included below says basically the same thing in the Chief's own words.
The Chief may or may not be called to testify at the trials. I'm sure the defense lawyers will use whatever video & witnesses they can to attempt to prove their clients' innocence.

Might want to be more careful in the use of quotation marks for words that were never said. There is no doubt that Floyd resisted officer instructions verbally and physically. That doesn't mean the officers will be exonerated.

[Veiragirl]

i don't care how calm the times are or what george floyd had done in the past ... Derek chauvin is a bad cop... Who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... He belongs in jail for the rest of his life imo


amen

[Scorpyo]

I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed that’s why I guess I’m so confused. Many folks say that Chauvin should burn in hell for his negligence. Others say he was negligent in the course of his duty and unfortunately a person died but he should be exonerated. The reason I’m confused is because we’ve seen this before and the process was completely different. On July 18, 1969 in a small town in MA a young girl was in a car driven by a person that was allegedly drunk. The driver went off the road into a pond. The girl was submerged in water and therefore denied access to air for a lot longer than 9 minutes. The driver never attempted to rescue the girl, he simply got out of the car and left the scene. He never called for an ambulance as Chauvin did. The driver allegedly went home to sober up and met with others to formulate a plan to mitigate the damages. The driver did not return to the scene of the accident until the next morning. The girl was dead due to his negligence. Floyd was dead due to Chauvin’s negligence. Chauvin lost his job and has been charged with murder. The driver never lost his job and was never charged with murder. The driver was, however, punished by losing the possibility of a promotion. Maybe losing the possibility of a promotion for one person equated to a murder charge for another person. Again, I’m not the sharpest tool, so could someone explain why Chauvin is so guilty of a crime by many, yet that driver was so not guilty of a crime by many. Maybe I just don’t understand the meaning of negligence. Maybe the girl resisted the driver more violently than Floyd resisted Chauvin.

[tvbound]

It is about time this bad cop is locked up, Sadly there’s folks out there thinking he should get off I’ll assume they are former law officers. I’m hoping all involved in that murder end up in prison and in general population. Then justice will be served. And NO I am not a person angry at our fine men in law enforcement that we pay to enforce the law,
I’m sickened by the ones that try to protect the ones that are corrupt and dirty. They seem to forget what goes around comes around if another officer breaks the law its their duty to uphold the law. But from the beginning they’re taught to look the other way and don’t cross that blue line.
That makes them as corrupt as their brother.:ohdear:

"I’m sickened by the ones that try to protect the ones that are corrupt and dirty."

That statement goes directly to the heart of the problem. While we have seen posts from a number of those claiming to have been law enforcement officers, I seem to have missed any of them saying they have turned one of their own in or that they disagreed with their union protecting the corrupt, racist, bigoted or generally bad cops. Why is that?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

I don't know about the details of this conspiracy theory, but Chauvin and Floyd did have a history.

I believe that it has been reported that they argued and didn't get along. I don't know anything about the money laundering aspect of this, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that this history had something to do with the killing.

[tlshoe]

Could someone please tell me what the evidence is that the George Floyd incident was racially motivated? Thanks.

[cynjim]

Just the opposite....listen to the whole tape that came out....

[cynjim]

Why are you people making excuses for the cop. He was dead wrong....

[Villages Kahuna]

Why post something like this? You have no way of knowing anything about the prosecution of the officers or the process of jury selection or trial. You obviously made this post with the simply objective of inflaming emotions.

Why did you do that? Shameful.

[jimlambert]

Not if the prosecutor gets the jury he wants.
And if they do get found not guilty, these riots the last 6 weeks will look like a tea party.
That’s not a reason to find them guilty. Well, I guess it is... a terrible reason!

[Slapnut]

I agree. They will be found guilty in a court of law and I hope they get the maximum sentence.

[rmd2]

This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

Hey it's not any worse than the twinkie defense. Lawyers will try anything to defend. It's their job.

[Stu from NYC]

This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

It is just one of very many possibilities

[GoodLife]

What is funny about these types of threads

1. The USA has a legal system where guilt or innocence is decided by a jury after seeing all the evidence.

2. Nevertheless, people continue to pronounce guilt or innocence based on media reports and only a portion of the evidence.

Lots of people were 100% sure Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. Jury pronounced him innocent on all counts after seeing all the evidence.

Lots more people thought Michael Brown was murdered with his hands up by Officer Wilson. But it was all a lie. Brown wasn’t surrendering and didn’t say don’t shoot. And he wasn’t a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the “Gentle Giant” he was portrayed at in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his police car, tried to grab Wilson’s service pistol, and was shot when he charged Wilson a second time.

BLM movement was founded on these two cases.

Nobody here knows what will happen in the Floyd case yet because a jury hasn't been shown all the evidence yet.

[Stu from NYC]

What is funny about these types of threads

1. The USA has a legal system where guilt or innocence is decided by a jury after seeing all the evidence.

2. Nevertheless, people continue to pronounce guilt or innocence based on media reports and only a portion of the evidence.

Lots of people were 100% sure Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. Jury pronounced him innocent on all counts after seeing all the evidence.

Lots more people thought Michael Brown was murdered with his hands up by Officer Wilson. But it was all a lie. Brown wasn’t surrendering and didn’t say don’t shoot. And he wasn’t a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the “Gentle Giant” he was portrayed at in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his police car, tried to grab Wilson’s service pistol, and was shot when he charged Wilson a second time.

BLM movement was founded on these two cases.

Nobody here knows what will happen in the Floyd case yet because a jury hasn't been shown all the evidence yet.

good post

[retiredguy123]

What is funny about these types of threads

1. The USA has a legal system where guilt or innocence is decided by a jury after seeing all the evidence.

2. Nevertheless, people continue to pronounce guilt or innocence based on media reports and only a portion of the evidence.

Lots of people were 100% sure Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. Jury pronounced him innocent on all counts after seeing all the evidence.

Lots more people thought Michael Brown was murdered with his hands up by Officer Wilson. But it was all a lie. Brown wasn’t surrendering and didn’t say don’t shoot. And he wasn’t a victim of police misconduct. Rather than the “Gentle Giant” he was portrayed at in the media, he sucker punched Wilson while Wilson sat in his police car, tried to grab Wilson’s service pistol, and was shot when he charged Wilson a second time.

BLM movement was founded on these two cases.

Nobody here knows what will happen in the Floyd case yet because a jury hasn't been shown all the evidence yet.
Yes, the defendants in the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases were not found guilty of any crime. But, their lives were still ruined. Not by the jury, but by the prosecutors who caved in to public opinion and protestors and charged cases that they could not prove. Prosecutors don't have the authority to declare someone guilty of a crime, but just by charging them and taking them to trial will ensure that they will be punished. Where is the accountability for the prosecutors? I don't think either one of these cases should have gone to trial.

[allsport]

Really, kneeling on a neck for 8.5 minutes is not murder. Sorry, not even close.

[Byte1]

I read the autopsy and I do not see where it indicated that Floyd died because of the COPs. Bad COP or bad handling of the situation, does not mean there was any "malice" or "intent" which means that if anything the COPs could be convicted of manslaughter. I have seen dope heads on PCP take on seven trained COPs and injure several. I seen them injure themselves and not even notice broken bones. This guy was under the influence of some heavy stuff. His record indicated a violent nature, a criminal nature. Did he deserve to die? Not for anyone of us to judge that. Did his lifestyle prognosticate a tragic end to his miserable life?
I heard a statement from a young lady (Ms.Owens) recently that made sense. She said that the black community will champion or support the lowest element of blacks, whereas the white and other minority community champion and support the highest examples of good behavior. Floyd was NO martyr. He did not deserve a presidential style funeral, especially during these times of COVID-19 where funerals and large groups have been banned.
Hopefully, these COPs will get a fair trial and not a lynching or kangaroo court. You do not throw them under the bus, just for the sake of satisfying a misled group.

At least we know that Floyd's death will not be categorized as being COVID-19 related.

[Velvet]

My (naive) interpretation of video. One policeman kneeling on uncooperative person. Another policeman looking around as if to look around to see can anyone see them. Guy on the ground saying, “I can’t breathe”. Nothing changes. Later guy on ground calls softly, “mama”. Nothing changes. That’s what I saw.

From that short video it looked like murder.

[TooColdNJ]

George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

Totally disagree. Yes, we were taught that, but how many young kids have been verbally, physically, or sexually abused by teachers? By their priests? By those so-called authority figures?

All parents aren’t like yours or mine. Things aren’t always black and white... there are gray areas where those in authority push their limits. Just because a person of authority “says do it” doesn’t mean it’s always right or the best thing to do. For example, I have a cousin who was raised in a normal middle class family, just as I was. She was sexually abused (not raped) by her father. When she got the guts to tell her mother, her mother just blew it off with a stupid comment condoning it because it made her father happy. My aunt was controlled by this man as well. So... just do it? All that applies to is a NIKE commercial.

I’m not saying it’s right, and there would be A LOT less deaths if they don’t resist. This has gone on for a long time without being addressed at all. Many of the George Floyd’s in this country have witnessed and have experienced the abuse that does go on. Many others have experienced being apprehended for NO valid reason— innocent, but judged or accused because of the color of their skin.

IF these people came from homes that we did, and/or had parents that raised them properly, they wouldn’t have become criminals in the first place. Even upstanding, hard-working black people still find themselves in positions because of the racism that does exist. Have you seen the now infamous Karen memes? Never mind.

No, I wouldn’t run, but they wouldn’t be taking me in without an argument! There lies the problem— even opening their mouths to speak or defend themselves results in the “bad cops” using unnecessary force that escalates and sometimes results in injury or death. The offenders aren’t doing the right thing, but neither are the law enforcement officers. By the way, No one, NOT EVEN Joe Biden, will EVER DEFUND the police force, and FAKE NEWS is the 911 campaign message.

[DecaturFargo]

Guilty, guilty, guilty and we are a law enforcement family.

[Kathi71]

Did you see the same vieo the rest of the world did? George Floyd was MURDERED! Should be 1st degree not 2nd degree murder in my opionion. That officer had more than 8 minutes to form intent to kill.

[roscoguy]

It is just one of very many possibilities

I know there must be others, but my imagination fails me. The non-MSM 'news' sources can probably provide MANY alternative theories. :loco:

[roscoguy]

Might want to be more careful in the use of quotation marks for words that were never said. There is no doubt that Floyd resisted officer instructions verbally and physically. That doesn't mean the officers will be exonerated.

I quoted the linked article & used quotation marks for that reason. It was unclear where the words of Chief Arradondo ended in the transcription & narration started. It did turn out they were not his exact words.
Maybe there is no doubt to some that he resisted, definitely not to an extent that would justify an 8:46 neck hold.

[manaboutown]

[QUOTE=Byte1;180167
At least we know that Floyd's death will not be categorized as being COVID-19 related.[/QUOTE]

It has been a while and I do not want to go back and review what I read about Floyd. Indeed the last time I tried most of the sources I had previously found had been "disappeared". Anyway, I believe I read that when Floyd was leaning up against the wall prior to being restrained and walked to the police cruiser he was complaining he could not breath; and that the autopsy showed he had COVID-19.

Could it be his respiratory system was highly compromised by his preexisting condition so that the knee pressure to his neck did him in whereas that amount of pressure would not have killed a healthy Floyd? I realize a killer takes his victim as he finds him. Yelling boo into the ear of a person with advanced heart disease who suffers a heart attack and dies as a result in some situations could be considered committing homicide.

Beyond all that there were some highly charged personal issues between Floyd and the cop as they had both worked security at a club and according to witnesses did not get along well.

[NFRicaS]

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO
I agree, that is murder plain and simple...

[tvbound]

Totally disagree. Yes, we were taught that, but how many young kids have been verbally, physically, or sexually abused by teachers? By their priests? By those so-called authority figures?

All parents aren’t like yours or mine. Things aren’t always black and white... there are gray areas where those in authority push their limits. Just because a person of authority “says do it” doesn’t mean it’s always right or the best thing to do. For example, I have a cousin who was raised in a normal middle class family, just as I was. She was sexually abused (not raped) by her father. When she got the guts to tell her mother, her mother just blew it off with a stupid comment condoning it because it made her father happy. My aunt was controlled by this man as well. So... just do it? All that applies to is a NIKE commercial.

I’m not saying it’s right, and there would be A LOT less deaths if they don’t resist. This has gone on for a long time without being addressed at all. Many of the George Floyd’s in this country have witnessed and have experienced the abuse that does go on. Many others have experienced being apprehended for NO valid reason— innocent, but judged or accused because of the color of their skin.

IF these people came from homes that we did, and/or had parents that raised them properly, they wouldn’t have become criminals in the first place. Even upstanding, hard-working black people still find themselves in positions because of the racism that does exist. Have you seen the now infamous Karen memes? Never mind.

No, I wouldn’t run, but they wouldn’t be taking me in without an argument! There lies the problem— even opening their mouths to speak or defend themselves results in the “bad cops” using unnecessary force that escalates and sometimes results in injury or death. The offenders aren’t doing the right thing, but neither are the law enforcement officers. By the way, No one, NOT EVEN Joe Biden, will EVER DEFUND the police force, and FAKE NEWS is the 911 campaign message.

An excellent post, with so much truth in it.

[Robert James]

Anybody who has had a heart attack will tell you this ---- "the first words out of my mouth were --- I CAN"T BREATHE" !!!!!

[Gulfcoast]

My (naive) interpretation of video. One policeman kneeling on uncooperative person. Another policeman looking around as if to look around to see can anyone see them. Guy on the ground saying, “I can’t breathe”. Nothing changes. Later guy on ground calls softly, “mama”. Nothing changes. That’s what I saw.

From that short video it looked like murder.

I think their defense is going to be that George Floyd could talk, therefore he was breathing and the officers were not aware of the level of distress that he was in.

I think they'll get manslaughter. I think the intent to murder is going to be hard to prove. I also think that the fact that Floyd had a preexisting heart condition and drugs in his system will make it hard to get a murder conviction but we'll see. That one police officer, in particular, is not a sympathetic subject so if he gets over convicted I doubt anyone would care.

[Pinball wizard]

I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed that’s why I guess I’m so confused. Many folks say that Chauvin should burn in hell for his negligence. Others say he was negligent in the course of his duty and unfortunately a person died but he should be exonerated. The reason I’m confused is because we’ve seen this before and the process was completely different. On July 18, 1969 in a small town in MA a young girl was in a car driven by a person that was allegedly drunk. The driver went off the road into a pond. The girl was submerged in water and therefore denied access to air for a lot longer than 9 minutes. The driver never attempted to rescue the girl, he simply got out of the car and left the scene. He never called for an ambulance as Chauvin did. The driver allegedly went home to sober up and met with others to formulate a plan to mitigate the damages. The driver did not return to the scene of the accident until the next morning. The girl was dead due to his negligence. Floyd was dead due to Chauvin’s negligence. Chauvin lost his job and has been charged with murder. The driver never lost his job and was never charged with murder. The driver was, however, punished by losing the possibility of a promotion. Maybe losing the possibility of a promotion for one person equated to a murder charge for another person. Again, I’m not the sharpest tool, so could someone explain why Chauvin is so guilty of a crime by many, yet that driver was so not guilty of a crime by many. Maybe I just don’t understand the meaning of negligence. Maybe the girl resisted the driver more violently than Floyd resisted Chauvin.

Good ol' Ted had better lawyers.

[Gulfcoast]

I would not want to be on that jury that is for darned sure.

[TomPerrett]

It’s not a good idea for a headline to say the MN police were exonerated when that was not the truth.
This country is divided enough. No one needs to throw fuel on the fire.

[Stu from NYC]

It’s not a good idea for a headline to say the MN police were exonerated when that was not the truth.
This country is divided enough. No one needs to throw fuel on the fire.

I believe the cop is guilty but lets face it we do not have all the evidence the jury will have.

[Bay Kid]

This is one of the goofiest, unfounded conspiracy theories yet in this entire episode. :MOJE_whot: :eek:

Thanks.

[dewilson58]

Anybody who has had a heart attack will tell you this ---- "the first words out of my mouth were --- I CAN"T BREATHE" !!!!!


Fake news.:ohdear:

[Luisa]

Were not first responders called early on by the policemen because of a medical concern?