Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic

[GoodLife]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

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Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

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So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

[GoodLife]

Forgot to add source for deaths by actual date

Florida COVID19 Case Line Data (https://open-fdoh.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/florida-covid19-case-line-data?selectedAttribute=EventDate)

This is how the 120 deaths reported were backfilled to actual date of death

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[Edjkoz]

The media cannot be trusted to deliver news because it’s no longer their job. Their job is to sell advertising. By keeping us in fear and divided they hav determined that we will watch, listen or read more news thereby increasing their ad revenue

[GoodLife]

The media cannot be trusted to deliver news because it’s no longer their job. Their job is to sell advertising. By keeping us in fear and divided they hav determined that we will watch, listen or read more news thereby increasing their ad revenue

The media is not just biased, they are flat out spreading lies.

[xNYer]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

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So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.

[Alto2548]

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.

Then please enlighten us instead of shooting spitballs from the sidelines. The OP's comments were legit.

p.s.-- the real "fake news supporters" are those who believe the lies... like you

[anothersteve]

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.

Proof please.

Steve

[Velvet]

Wow! Wonder why China has only 2 cases today? Do they just shoot anyone positive and not count it as death caused by Covid?

[JimJohnson]

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.

Your correct. I follow the medical professionals and scientific data closely from multiple sources and, I 100% know that the Covid 19 is NOT A HOAX, IT IS NOT GOING AWAY SOON and people are dying because they are not following the CDC guidelines.

[matandch]

Scaring the bejesus out of me by reading articles like this and watching patients and staff struggle with treating the disease keeps me from letting my guard down and becoming too complacent and comfortable while out in the world. My worst nightmare would be to wake up in the ICU about to be intubated. I watched a family member go through intubation some years back and it ain’t pretty at all. For me, anyway, this is real and I’d rather err on the side of caution and find out it’s a hoax than to be loosey goosey with my lifestyle and end up finding out it’s real by being told That my SPO2 is dangerous low and that I need to be put in an induced coma while I’m on life support to help me breathe.

[IUFAN]

I totally agree. I have a friend that works in the hospital and that were told no matter what if a person dies that in any likeness to the virus that they are category as covid 19 because that way the hospital gets $13,000 a death that is caused by the virus. SAD

[Mardarlowe]

All fake news. Panic porn sells.

[martynpat]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

I guess I don't understand the focus on death dates. The dead are dead regardless of the date. They dies of COVID. Does saying the data is older make the deaths any less significant? People need to treat the virus as a potentially fatal infection and start doing the things necessary to stop it.

[oneclickplus]

I guess I don't understand the focus on death dates. The dead are dead regardless of the date. They dies of COVID. Does saying the data is older make the deaths any less significant? People need to treat the virus as a potentially fatal infection and start doing the things necessary to stop it.

Dates DO MATTER. By screwing with the dates, they make it appear that there were 120 new deaths on Thursday. That is false information. On Thursday, they reported 120 deaths (that happened over the previous weeks). Reporting them on Thursday is not the same as them happening on Thursday. The headline is designed to mislead the reader. That was the point of the OP.

That's the same as writing: "On Thursday, the NHTSA reported 27,525 automobile deaths". Well, that's a lot of accidents on Thursday ... until you do some research and find that they are reporting a total for the year to date.

[Annie66]

You don't have to trust the news if that is your political slant, but a death is a death is a death. You cannot call that fake news.
According to the FL Covid web site, we had 11,385 reported new cases and 93 new deaths yesterday. Those are real tragedies for families and not just numbers. So you can poo-poo the media reporting but if it leads you to disbelieving the seriousness of this pandemic, then just wait. You'll no doubt become personally enveloped in the crisis, whether as a Typhoid Mary spreader or a victim, and thus one of the statistics.

[LG999]

So tired of being lied to

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The are a few things that I'm curious about. I'd like to see the number of positive cases each day by county. It seems to me that the vast majority of cases are being discovered in Miami-Dade, Brevard and Palm Beach counties.
I also understand that the majority of new cases have been in the 18-40 year age group.
Could this be because when bars were re-opened that a lot of young people began going to bars while ignoring social distancing? Could some of the bar owners have ignored the maximum occupancy requirements in an effort to make up for lost business?

I also don't seem to be able to find the number of new cases by state as a percentage of the population. Florida is the third largest state in the country. It stands to reason that we'd have the third most cases, but we are fourth.

Another number that I've never seen is the number of people that have had the virus and have had recovered. How many "active" cases are there?

It seems that the more people that currently have the virus the more of a danger it is. But people that have had it and have recovered are no longer a danger. So far there have been about 3.2 million cases in the US, but that is a total number of people that have had it. It's a bit misleading because it makes it seem as though there are 3 million contagious people running around with the virus. Same thing for Florida. The have been 244,000 cases in Florida, but that doesn't mean that that many people still have the virus.

Older people are in greater danger of dying from Covid-19. It would stand to reason that Florida would have the highest percentage of deaths from the virus.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from any of this. I'm just saying that we're not being given all of the information, or many of us are missing much of the information that we need to form an opinion of what's going on.

Obviously, this virus is very serious. 180 countries around the world are treating it as such. But still, looking at bits and pieces of information and cherry picking certain numbers doesn't help anyone or anything.

Add to that the fact that it is in the best interest of the media to sensationalize everything and I have to question how informed we are.

[Leadbone1]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

The current day media cannot be trusted about anything they say. It’s not just exaggeration. They blatantly lie to the public every day.

[Boblib68]

And who do we trust? Our government? Come on

[Raywatkins]

We are Brits with a house in TV. Unfortunately we can’t be there just now because of COVID. We in the UK learned very early on that daily numbers are not important. The trend is however. The rate of infection is directly related to contact between someone infected and someone who is not. Keep the rate of transmission below 1 and things will improve. Otherwise infection numbers will show an upward trend.
Looking at various states the trend is upward. Parts of Florida are going in that direction. TV has avoided much of this pandemic. Probably through caution of its inhabitants - who are mainly in the higher at risk categories. If TV had followed the worldwide experience then there should have been a much higher death rate.
People will believe what they want. But when they fail to take sensible precautions they are not just risking their own lives but those of many others.
That message has hit home here in the UK where we have largely suppressed COVID to the point that even though we are opening up all sorts of operations, we are keeping the rate of spread below 1 and hence cases and deaths are still falling. Hopefully we will stay on that trend. We look forward to the US getting on that trend completely if only so we can visit.

[DonnaNi4os]

I’m not disputing your message, however on this morning’s CBS news there was a doctor who pointed out that it often takes 2 weeks for death certificates to be registered. So, does that mean the reported death were from several days ago or perhaps that the recent COVID-19 related deaths haven’t even been placed in the records? I don’t have that answer but I remain cautious.

[Dana1963]

It’s hard to believe WDW closed March 16 when Florida reported 120 cases no deaths and reopens today with over 4000 deaths and averaging 9000 to over 10000 positive cases as day. The Villages averaging 20 daily

[MandoMan]

The article you attached is not easy to understand. It requires careful attention, but it is pretty much saying what you say. I think part of the problem is that usually the journalists who write the news stories don’t write the headlines. Headlines are usually written by specialists who are good at clever or short headlines and who know what will make people want to read more. They usually don’t have time to read the entire article because they may need to write a hundred headlines a day. So they scan the first paragraph or two. I’m not certain, but I think that is what happened here.

However, those who say newspapers and, much worse, television news provide alarmist news and reports to keep you watching through the next advertisement are definitely right. This isn’t a new thing! If you watch movies about the newspaper business from the 1930s, you see the same thing. The worst is the “click-bait” that surrounds a lot of online articles. You click on those and descend into a labyrinth of scam as you try to hop from photo to photo.

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

[davem4616]

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.



xNYer: It would be helpful if you would please share specifics on where you believe the OP has misunderstood the data records

it's difficult to determine what is truth and what is half-truth or incorrect in this era and most of us are actually open to different viewpoints

[GoodLife]

You don't have to trust the news if that is your political slant, but a death is a death is a death. You cannot call that fake news.
According to the FL Covid web site, we had 11,385 reported new cases and 93 new deaths yesterday. Those are real tragedies for families and not just numbers. So you can poo-poo the media reporting but if it leads you to disbelieving the seriousness of this pandemic, then just wait. You'll no doubt become personally enveloped in the crisis, whether as a Typhoid Mary spreader or a victim, and thus one of the statistics.

Florida reported 93 deaths, but in reality only 9 of them occurred on that day, the rest were backfilled to previous dates in June, May even April. Date of actual death is important to spot real trends, media prefers to spread panic by pretending all those deaths happened on day of report.

How nice to predict I will become a victim simply for pointing out facts. :ohdear:

[kaniess]

At this time we need to focus on hospitalization and ICU admission rates. The Florida dashboard only reports a cumulative number of people who have been hospitalized apparently for COVID-19 since the beginning which is about as useful as the cumulative case numbers. The number of people who are in the hospitals for COVID-19 at the present time is not reported. Timely COVID-19 admissions and releases plus deaths on a daily basis at every hospital would be more useful. I'd like to know the ICU availability situation at the UF Villages hospitals and emergency rooms in real-time. In April and May when COVID-19 was mainly in SE Florida The Villages hospital was reporting that there were a few or no COVID-19 patients. I haven't heard any information recently from a spokesman there. There is a dashboard that is attempting to quantify the hospital availability situation by local area, but it is not the official state dashboard. Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/)

[McGyver9]

STILL waiting for a LINK to something CREDIBLE to contradict the OP.

Wondering how many of those who "reportedly died of the Rona" had terminal cancer/heart attacks/COPD/bad asthma?
If you die WITH the Rona, you are reported as dying OF the Rona...

[bp243]

In my humble opinion, scientists will always win over politicians!

[GoodLife]

The article you attached is not easy to understand. It requires careful attention, but it is pretty much saying what you say. I think part of the problem is that usually the journalists who write the news stories don’t write the headlines. Headlines are usually written by specialists who are good at clever or short headlines and who know what will make people want to read more. They usually don’t have time to read the entire article because they may need to write a hundred headlines a day. So they scan the first paragraph or two. I’m not certain, but I think that is what happened here.

The headline, actual text in the article, and the graph are all deliberately designed to spread panic, not actual understanding of the data.

[hrenner]

I totally agree. I have a friend that works in the hospital and that were told no matter what if a person dies that in any likeness to the virus that they are category as covid 19 because that way the hospital gets $13,000 a death that is caused by the virus. SAD

This info comes from a friend telling a friend?

[billyb1950]

Bingo!

[GoodLife]

The are a few things that I'm curious about. I'd like to see the number of positive cases each day by county. It seems to me that the vast majority of cases are being discovered in Miami-Dade, Brevard and Palm Beach counties.
I also understand that the majority of new cases have been in the 18-40 year age group.
Could this be because when bars were re-opened that a lot of young people began going to bars while ignoring social distancing? Could some of the bar owners have ignored the maximum occupancy requirements in an effort to make up for lost business?

I also don't seem to be able to find the number of new cases by state as a percentage of the population. Florida is the third largest state in the country. It stands to reason that we'd have the third most cases, but we are fourth.

Another number that I've never seen is the number of people that have had the virus and have had recovered. How many "active" cases are there?

It seems that the more people that currently have the virus the more of a danger it is. But people that have had it and have recovered are no longer a danger. So far there have been about 3.2 million cases in the US, but that is a total number of people that have had it. It's a bit misleading because it makes it seem as though there are 3 million contagious people running around with the virus. Same thing for Florida. The have been 244,000 cases in Florida, but that doesn't mean that that many people still have the virus.

Older people are in greater danger of dying from Covid-19. It would stand to reason that Florida would have the highest percentage of deaths from the virus.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from any of this. I'm just saying that we're not being given all of the information, or many of us are missing much of the information that we need to form an opinion of what's going on.

Obviously, this virus is very serious. 180 countries around the world are treating it as such. But still, looking at bits and pieces of information and cherry picking certain numbers doesn't help anyone or anything.

Add to that the fact that it is in the best interest of the media to sensationalize everything and I have to question how informed we are.

You can find data on new cases per day, median age, positive percentage etc for each Florida county here

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/county_reports_latest.pdf

[Andyb]

Thanks for reporting this. The Orlando Slantnel (Sentinel) is an extreme leftist publication, so no surprise on their deceptive, panic driven reporting.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

[GoodLife]

I’m not disputing your message, however on this morning’s CBS news there was a doctor who pointed out that it often takes 2 weeks for death certificates to be registered. So, does that mean the reported death were from several days ago or perhaps that the recent COVID-19 related deaths haven’t even been placed in the records? I don’t have that answer but I remain cautious.

The death certificates go from hospital to county to state, this takes time. Each death certificate has date of actual death on it. Some days the State receives large batches of them with actual dates going back days, weeks or months. To spot actual trends, the deaths need to be put in the column of the date they actually happened, not the date they were reported. Look at the 2 graphs I posted in OP and you can see the difference.

[Kahiland]

I just don't understand. If its that "fake" of a virus, why am I tested WEEKLY because I work p/t at an Asst Living Facility?

My dad is a resident in a ALF in the area. I have not seen him in almost 5 months.

Nurses and doctors are all working the front line...great way to show your support.

"Just wear a damned mask."
-Senator Marco Rubio

[rlcooper70]

Interesting one from MIT. Relates to indoor spaces and scientists’ evolving thinking.

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way
If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way | MIT Technology Review (https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/)

Thanks again. Takeaways:

Staying Safe: “strict mask use” … “the virus sheds like crazy” …. but for masks to really stop the transmission they have to be tight and worn all the time (even around family) .. “sanitizing every single surface … huge waste of time.”

Variables: longer time indoors … restaurants, bars, offices, classrooms, churches. Ventilation needs to be a higher priority (big problem in older buildings). UV Light dissipates the virus in air in less than a minute.

I find it odd that some people are so certain and others create the word “arguably”.… “evolving” thinking. That means they were inaccurate up to this time and may be inaccurate still. Evolving. “For a virus to be airborne … can spread via inhalation over long distances… from small particles known as aerosols.” “That’s why when you ask some professionals …. they’ll say its not, because we’re not seeing transmission over those sorts of distances,”

“If SARS-CoV-2 is airborne,its far from the only disease. Measles … Tuberculosis … evidence that this is happening with SARS-CoV-2 arguably already exists …. several big studies … “.

Interesting one from MIT. Relates to indoor spaces and scientists’ evolving thinking.

If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way
If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way | MIT Technology Review (https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/)

Takeaways:

Staying Safe: “strict mask use” … “the virus sheds like crazy” …. but for masks to really stop the transmission they have to be tight and worn all the time (even around family) .. “sanitizing every single surface … huge waste of time.”

Variables: longer time indoors … restaurants, bars, offices, classrooms, churches. Ventilation needs to be a higher priority (big problem in older buildings). UV Light dissipates the virus in air in less than a minute.

I find it odd that some people are so certain and others create the word “arguably”.… “evolving” thinking. That means they were inaccurate up to this time and may be inaccurate still. Evolving. “For a virus to be airborne … can spread via inhalation over long distances… from small particles known as aerosols.” “That’s why when you ask some professionals …. they’ll say its not, because we’re not seeing transmission over those sorts of distances,”

“If SARS-CoV-2 is airborne,its far from the only disease. Measles … Tuberculosis … evidence that this is happening with SARS-CoV-2 arguably already exists …. several big studies … “.

Advice = stay in well ventilated areas with as few people as possible and spend as little time as possible in enclosed spaces.

[rlcooper70]

Leftist reporting with facts ....why do you care ... headlines to get attention with facts in the article .... instead of labeling ... perhaps we just read it and be safe?

[Strongel]

..unless a particular scientist is in love with her/his soapbox....

It seems we are in some ways living in an era where wrong is right and right is wrong. I’m so thankful to have grown up when I did. As far as fake news, we’ll it’s obvious in many instances but we are in our 70’s and staying inside as much s possible just makes sense.

[cheweycat]

And we should trust you?

[GoodLife]

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

LOL I'm not scared, and I am very smart. Yes the media is trying to scare us by not presenting the data in an accurate way. I'm not spinning anything, the media is. Please try to understand the difference between accurate analysis of data and "believing this is a hoax"

As far as personal behavior goes, I am probably more cautious than 90% of the people posting here. All my groceries are delivered or curbside pickup, I do not enter any buildings other than my home. The only people practicing safer behavior than me are full Howard Hughes types who never leave their home. I play golf, by myself and swim in my pool.

[cleanwater]

120 is 120. Remember there’s more deaths occurring that will be reported in future and back dated too. Most deaths take nearly a month to occur after infection. The people are sick and suffering now and they’ll die weeks from now. Given the huge number of current illnesses the deaths are expected to rise further. The sad thing is most of these deaths were easily preventable with masks and separation, Those who deny the problem Give license for others to continue the poor behaviors, spread the virus and put more at risk. 120 is 120. ENOUGH! Wear your masks and keep your distance.

[Earlride]

Wow! Wonder why China has only 2 cases today? Do they just shoot anyone positive and not count it as death caused by Covid?
I think you are onto something.....that would work. Gotta love China. Well maybe not. LOL

[GoodLife]

120 is 120. Remember there’s more deaths occurring that will be reported in future and back dated too. Most deaths take nearly a month to occur after infection. The people are sick and suffering now and they’ll die weeks from now. Given the huge number of current illnesses the deaths are expected to rise further. The sad thing is most of these deaths were easily preventable with masks and separation, Those who deny the problem Give license for others to continue the poor behaviors, spread the virus and put more at risk. 120 is 120. ENOUGH! Wear your masks and keep your distance.

Yes deaths are deaths, but reporting that data as if it occurred on a single day "deadliest day ever" is a big fat lie. Yes, deaths certificates will come in and some will be backfilled to July 9 which is currently at 9, not 120. We will see if the death rate goes up or not only by seeing accurate death numbers on the day they actually happened. Nobody is denying the problem, we can't assess the problem unless we look at it with accurate numbers.

[Guitarman1951]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.
Sure doesn't surprise me about the way the news reports anything. They are no longer reporting the actual truth about anything choosing to immulate the National Enquirer because exaggerating, enhancing and down right lying is much more dramatic and gets the attention of our growing uneducated population. Schools are more for propaganda purposes than an actual education so the population is becoming walking drones incapable of reasoning on their own. Why not take advantage of that tell them whatever the hell you want?

[Bonnevie]

if there is any indication of the seriousness of the virus it's the fact that our feel good newspaper, the Daily Sun, has now had the virus as the front page story for two days in a row.

[Bonnevie]

We are Brits with a house in TV. Unfortunately we can’t be there just now because of COVID. We in the UK learned very early on that daily numbers are not important. The trend is however. The rate of infection is directly related to contact between someone infected and someone who is not. Keep the rate of transmission below 1 and things will improve. Otherwise infection numbers will show an upward trend.
Looking at various states the trend is upward. Parts of Florida are going in that direction. TV has avoided much of this pandemic. Probably through caution of its inhabitants - who are mainly in the higher at risk categories. If TV had followed the worldwide experience then there should have been a much higher death rate.
People will believe what they want. But when they fail to take sensible precautions they are not just risking their own lives but those of many others.
That message has hit home here in the UK where we have largely suppressed COVID to the point that even though we are opening up all sorts of operations, we are keeping the rate of spread below 1 and hence cases and deaths are still falling. Hopefully we will stay on that trend. We look forward to the US getting on that trend completely if only so we can visit.

thank you for this comment. It represents a thoughtful presentation but will unfortunately be ignored by those who prefer to still think the virus is a hoax.

[Bellavita]

well gee then go out and party like a rock star

[GoodLife]

thank you for this comment. It represents a thoughtful presentation but will unfortunately be ignored by those who prefer to still think the virus is a hoax.

Please quote anyone on this thread saying the virus is a hoax. Saying the media is lying about the data is not calling the virus a hoax.

[Haggar]

The headline is not a lie. The headline states 120 deaths were reported.
The information comes from the state of florida.
The headline did not state 120 died people yesterday.
Do you think the Sentinel sold one more paper because of the headline?

[Rhonda West]

Where are you getting "The Villages averaging 20 per day"?

[Rhonda West]

Sorry, I thought this was going to post under Dana1963 who reported that The Villages is averaging 20 new cases a day. Where are you getting that?

[Rosie1950]

So NON panic porn, would be when the Villages Hospital AND Leesburg Hospital reported several weeks ago that COVID 19 @IS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR”. I haven’t seen a retraction on that statement . Sense they reported that they now BOTH have over 60 patients between the two hospitals. Which IS FAKE, rear view mirror or yesterday’s report.
Would be happy if someone enlightened me.

[GoodLife]

The headline is not a lie. The headline states 120 deaths were reported.
The information comes from the state of florida.
The headline did not state 120 died people yesterday.
Do you think the Sentinel sold one more paper because of the headline?

Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic

See the part in bold? That's the lie, only 9 people died that day, certainly not Florida's "deadliest day"

[Two Bills]

The head of an intensive care unit (ICU) at a hospital in the US state of Florida has told the BBC that the facility is struggling with the number of patients being admitted.

"We have gone from one Covid floor to two, to three, and now we have a fourth area," Dr Andrew Pastewski, ICU Medical Director at Jackson South Medical Center in Miami, told the BBC's Newshour programme.

"At some point you're going to need some kind of Covid nursing home for patients who aren't that sick but can't go back to their skilled nursing home," he added.

Dr Pastewski also told Reuters news agency that the coronavirus "destroys the strength" of his elderly patients.

"If it's an elderly person that gets intubated, you know that it's the end because we have not been able to get elderly people off the ventilator."

BBC yesterday morning.

Stear clear of the ventilators!

[Marykschulz]

I trust the scientists. Tell the folks in AZ and TX it’s all a media hoax. Tell all the medical personnel who are again experiencing shortages of PPE it’s all a hoax. Good luck to you if you believe it’s all a hoax.

[stadalberts]

Exactly!!

[Bonnevie]

Please quote anyone on this thread saying the virus is a hoax. Saying the media is lying about the data is not calling the virus a hoax.

I guess it's all in the interpretation of the remarks. for instance this was one:

"All fake news. Panic porn sells."

to me all this quibbling ignores the fact that we have a serious problem and it's not getting better.

[nick demis]

What I would like to know is how many deaths are caused by Covid as opposed to how many death occurred where the patient also had Covid. Someone that dies of a stroke that also has heart disease, doesn't mean he died of heart disease.

[GoodLife]

Who cares about the daily or weekly data and it’s accuracy? The numbers speak for themselves. They have been going up, regardless of by how many or when. The media doesn’t influence me, my good judgement is what I go by. I listen with an open mind. When I do that, it doesn’t influence my thoughts or decisions hard-left or hard-right.

I care as should everyone. The numbers are not all going up. New cases certainly are but at present, accurate death counts by date of death currently show them going down. This could change as deaths are backfilled to correct dates in next few weeks, we will see but only if we see the data presented accurately.

media chart

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actual date of death chart

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[Barborv]

Our friends daughter is a doctor and she was working in Elmhurst hospital in Queens NY. She said they had to line up all the body bags behind the hospital because they were over loaded. She was working the Covid wards. Three people I know personally lost loved ones due to Covid. I still see far too many people not wearing masks in public places . Just heard that the Publix at Southern Trace had 2 employees test positive .

[OhioBuckeye]

People come to Florida to vacation & they’re not going to sit in their rented house or hotel the whole time they’re there. Also how’s come we never hear about homeless people getting Covid19? They live out in the open, they’re dirty & hard telling where they get there food. This goes for our politicians too, why aren’t more of them getting it?

[Lindsyburnsy]

So the 130,000+ people who have died aren't really dead and the media is just trying to put fear into the public? I'm wearing a mask and keeping my distance, just in case that it's not a "hoax".
The media cannot be trusted to deliver news because it’s no longer their job. Their job is to sell advertising. By keeping us in fear and divided they hav determined that we will watch, listen or read more news thereby increasing their ad revenue

[OETTING]

Is it the media we can’t trust, or is it the state that supplies those numbers? Do you think the media makes up random numbers or that they call every hospital every day?It’s the states own COVID Dashboard that supplies the data, and even their data is suspect. So stop blaming the fake news media for everything that doesn’t line up with your belief system.

[Elmartin3]

There was a time not to long ago when not telling the truth would be a stigma on you or your business that was difficult to ever shake off. It seems now just tell the lie, denie it first and keep on luring and everyone will get over it and forget. So sad! I hope we get back to holding people accountable for their lack of integrity and stating feelings and opinions are facts.

[Elmartin3]

There was a time not to long ago when not telling the truth would be a stigma on you or your business that was difficult to ever shake off. It seems now just tell the lie, denied the other sides data and keep on lying and everyone will get over it and forget. So sad! I hope we get back to holding people accountable for their lack of integrity and stating feelings and opinions are facts.

[IvorT]

Most of this conversation seems to be about death and statistics. Death from COVID is unlikely. You can argue whether the numbers are rising, falling or staying the same, whatever. But, for the thousands who get this disease, it’s not a walk in the park, it is several days of wishing you were dead, because breathing is so hard you think you can’t go on. It’s days feeling so I’ll, you can’t ever remember feeling so sick. If you want an illness like that, go out without a mask, eat in a place where the staff don’t wear masks. Make sure to give it to your friends. ALTERNATIVELY take precautions.

[Velvet]

No confirmed cases in North Korea! I guess anybody that gets it gets shot. Good way to stop the virus from spreading . Wouldn’t be surprised under Communism.

[justjim]

The media is not just biased, they are flat out spreading lies.

Media gets it wrong when the data they receive is wrong (And mistakes are occasionally made) but to say they are spreading lies is a stretch. A free press is necessary for a democracy. Freedom of the press is one of the rights protected by the First Amendment same as freedom of speech, right to assemble, freedom of religion, etc.

[Villages Kahuna]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn
This post is intended to be as misleading to readers as the worst of politicized broadcasting or journalism.

I can't understand the motivations of those who can't or won't accept the ignorance of our political leaders to react to the pandemic in a timely manner, and then even worse place the recovery of the economy and personal political success above the exploding levels of sickness and deaths of U.S. citizens.

We are in the early stages of a pandemic. Period. The statistics collected and reported daily are reliable. To some extent forget about the national and even statewide statistics. Those reported for Sumter County are most important to me. Those reports show a 9.2% increase in positive test results in one day -- from Thursday to Friday! There are very few if any ICU beds available in nearby hospitals and the death rate is increasing. Hopefully, it won't get to the point where refrigerated trailers are needed for the bodies. But make no mistake, this is a virus you don't want to catch. It can have deadly results and life-changing effects on human organs.

Remember the political arguments and even TV ads showing that Obamacare would result in "death panels". We're close to that point right now as the result of COVID-19. Many doctors, nurses and hospitals overwhelmed with sick patients had to make the awful decisions whether to treat the sick patient, or simply recognize that they will never recover and should be made as comfortable as possible until they die. Do we want to be a part of that?

All that is worse for senior citizens, like me and most others reading these posts, is to refuse or fail to accept the serious illness threatening us all. We'd be better off, much better off, accepting the fact that our country and ultimately our economy is under serious threat by an apolitical virus for which there is no current cure or even short-term treatment.

All any of us can do going forward is to accept the recommendations of the doctors and scientists on how to limit the spread of the virus -- stay home, use masks outside your home, wash and disinfect your hands, don't touch your face -- and pray that a cure is developed. Trying to mislead people, as was done by the initial poster here is not only shameful, but life-threatening to all of us.

[justjim]

Is it the media we can’t trust, or is it the state that supplies those numbers? Do you think the media makes up random numbers or that they call every hospital every day?It’s the states own COVID Dashboard that supplies the data, and even their data is suspect. So stop blaming the fake news media for everything that doesn’t line up with your belief system.

I agree. You are spot on in your comment.

[GoodLife]

Is it the media we can’t trust, or is it the state that supplies those numbers? Do you think the media makes up random numbers or that they call every hospital every day?It’s the states own COVID Dashboard that supplies the data, and even their data is suspect. So stop blaming the fake news media for everything that doesn’t line up with your belief system.

The media knows how to get actual date of death numbers. They choose not to as the Sentinel story shows.

[Slapnut]

I heard that last year there were 1 and a half million deaths from tuberculosis but no masks for that. The death rate from this so called pandemic is one hundredth of one percent. It's a scare tactic that I am sick and tired of hearing about. It's about control. If the government can scare us into controlling what we do and how we live then we will become a dictatorship. We really need to stand up to these idiots and let them know that we won't take it anymore

[kaniess]

At this time we need to focus on the availability of ICU beds at our area hospitals, not figures of deaths that are usually weeks or months out of date. Florida only reports the cumulative number of hospitalizations from the beginning, which is about as useful as the cumulative number of cases. What would be more useful is a timely report of the number of COVID-19 admissions and discharges, plus deaths at each hospital. During April and May when there were many COVID-19 cases in SE Florida a spokesman for The Villages hospital was quoted as saying that there were no capacity issues at the hospital here because there were few or no COVID-19 patients. I haven't heard any statements lately about available resources at the hospitals in our area. There is a dashboard that is attempting to quantify hospital bed and ICU availability, but it is not produced by the state. Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/)

[Slapnut]

You have bought in to their scare tactics. It's people like you that keep the fake media reporting misleading information to scare you into doing what they want you to do. WAKE UP

[Slapnut]

You have drank the fool aid. They love people like you. If you died of a heart attack but had the covid virus then it is reported as a covid death. Don't you people get it? I guess not.

[GoodLife]

This post is intended to be as misleading to readers as the worst of politicized broadcasting or journali.sm

I can't understand the motivations of those who can't or won't accept the ignorance of our political leaders to react to the pandemic in a timely manner, and then even worse place the recovery of the economy and personal political success above the exploding levels of sickness and deaths of U.S. citizens.

We are in the early stages of a pandemic. Period. The statistics collected and reported daily are reliable. To some extent forget about the national and even statewide statistics. Those reported for Sumter County are most important to me. Those reports show a 9.2% increase in positive test results in one day -- from Thursday to Friday! There are very few if any ICU beds available in nearby hospitals and the death rate is increasing. Hopefully, it won't get to the point where refrigerated trailers are needed for the bodies. But make no mistake, this is a virus you don't want to catch. It can have deadly results and life-changing effects on human organs.

Remember the political arguments and even TV ads showing that Obamacare would result in "death panels". We're close to that point right now as the result of COVID-19. Many doctors, nurses and hospitals overwhelmed with sick patients had to make the awful decisions whether to treat the sick patient, or simply recognize that they will never recover and should be made as comfortable as possible until they die. Do we want to be a part of that?

All that is worse for senior citizens, like me and most others reading these posts, is to refuse or fail to accept the serious illness threatening us all. We'd be better off, much better off, accepting the fact that our country and ultimately our economy is under serious threat by an apolitical virus for which there is no current cure or even short-term treatment.

All any of us can do going forward is to accept the recommendations of the doctors and scientists on how to limit the spread of the virus -- stay home, use masks outside your home, wash and disinfect your hands, don't touch your face -- and pray that a cure is developed. Trying to mislead people, as was done by the initial poster here is not only shameful, but life-threatening to all of us.

Replying to the bolded parts.

Sentinel Florida death chart

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Actual Florida deaths by date chart

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The only thing that is misleading is the Sentinel chart.

Sumter County data as of today:

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New cases are up, percentage of positives is down, can't say how many are actually in TV from this data

As of today Sumter County Hospitals report the following

Hospital beds at 55% occupancy
ICU beds at 82% occupancy

These are normal numbers, and not all of the beds are covid 19 patients.

[Jim1mack]

They disappear them.

[Byte1]

Please quote anyone on this thread saying the virus is a hoax. Saying the media is lying about the data is not calling the virus a hoax.

I was going to say the same thing, but was working through the comments first to see if anyone else caught the totally obvious. If you do not like the way something is reported, then that certain element that we are not allowed to stipulate because it may be construed as political in nature, says that you are saying something is a "hoax." Same way with how they did not like it is someone criticized a policy from the last administration. They would call you a "racist" if you did not agree.
Thanks for the information. It is great stuff as always and I agree with your supposition that the media loves to encourage mass hysteria.

[kdbaumann11]

Th article clearly state what it is reporting.

[GoodLife]

Th article clearly state what it is reporting.

In the article and headline they state "Florida's deadliest day of pandemic"

120 people did not die of covid on 7/9/2020 Nine did according to dates on the actual death certificates. The rest were deaths from earlier dates.

Look at their chart, they put all 120 deaths on 7/9/2020. Looks like a big spike.

It's BS

[PaulinTV]

I care as should everyone. The numbers are not all going up. New cases certainly are but at present, accurate death counts by date of death currently show them going down. This could change as deaths are backfilled to correct dates in next few weeks, we will see but only if we see the data presented accurately.

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actual date of death chart

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I'm trying to reconcile your updated chart to the one released on the state Covid-19 reporting site. They do show a slight decline in recent deaths but as you point out reporting can delay that and must be dispersed accurately. The general trend, IMHO, is going up, parsing out the last few days per your reasoning. Thoughts?

ArcGIS Dashboards (https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR356pO6BnHlmzdlJLXYv7-QfTMfhv09keL6TXN8-DR9EtKuMnFea36f-pc#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86)

[Byte1]

Oooh, mass hysteria! No one said that COVID-19 was a hoax, not even President Trump. Gotta love it when several jump in there and claim something that someone did not say.
Body bags lined up? Ok, maybe but I doubt we have any body bags at all being lined up in The Villages. As a matter of fact, how many exactly have died of COVID-19 in The Villages, about a dozen total? I don't think that we have had more than 8 or 9 die in the Sumter Co. portion of the Villages and that is the largest part of the Villages.
No one said to act like everything is OK, or that the virus is a hoax. No one suggested that you need to give up wearing your beautifully handmade masks. Heck, be like the Japanese and wear a mask all the time, if you wish. No one will stop you.

Just had a close relative pass this week. I was originally told that he died of COVID-19. Turned out that this man (age 94) was in surgery to have a kidney stone operation. He has a history of heart problems and bypasses/stints. They put him out and he died on the table.
I have a close relative, younger than myself that is in the hospital today WITH Covid-19. He is on a ventilator but his vitals are looking better and they are talking about removing the ventilator and moving him to a regular room.. I keep hearing that people with the virus put on the ventilator end up dying. Maybe he is the exception?
Not quite related but interesting correlation to reporting stats: During the Vietnam war, enemy casualties were exaggerated by the generals. That was to make it look like the war was being run successfully. Sound familiar?

People are lining up daily here in the villages to get tested. That means there will be more testing positive. I have seen NO indication that this means more DEATHS. As a matter of fact, in the last couple months we have seen a decline in deaths by virus in the Villages.
But if you wish to die of stress related symptoms and have it be listed as COVID-19 related, knock yourself out by joining the mass hysteria crowd. Personally, I will take precautions when warranted and worry about illness at such time as I feel ill. Not before. Please do hide in your homes. It makes the traffic situation much easier and shopping a breeze.
Instead of arguing the validity of the OP's information or opinion, you should be thanking him for doing all the research to provide valid information to you, when all you get is second or third hand rumors and news manipulation.

By the way, has anyone else noticed the lack of medic sirens in The Villages lately? It seems to me that I usually hear many more. Haven't had one in my village in a long time. Just a guess, but could it be that folks are staying home and taking better care of themselves? Just thinking out loud.

[GoodLife]

I'm trying to reconcile your updated chart to the one released on the state Covid-19 reporting site. They do show a slight decline in recent deaths but as you point out reporting can delay that and must be dispersed accurately. The general trend, IMHO, is going up, parsing out the last few days per your reasoning. Thoughts?

ArcGIS Dashboards (https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR356pO6BnHlmzdlJLXYv7-QfTMfhv09keL6TXN8-DR9EtKuMnFea36f-pc#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86)

Yes that graph you linked looks accurate, you can see they put correct death total of 9 for 7/9 It's only a two week graph though, I like to see the trends since the beginning like the blue graph I posted several times.. We will probably see a slight uptick in deaths from this surge, median age of new cases for past two weeks is 35-40 so I don't think deaths will spike in a huge way since that age group doesn't die a lot. The deaths will come from younger people with hypertension or some other condition that covid preys on, or from older people that think it's safe to go out and party. Personally, I stay out of all buildings except home, curbside groceries, and golf. :icon_wink:

[jimjamuser]

You are misunderstanding the data records and you have your fake news supporters agreeing.
You are correct. And I like your forum name Mr. X man.

[allsport]

The number of cases are significantly undercounted. The ME is not permitted by gov disaster to share the number of deaths that occur on predeath undiagnosed patients. People are being found dead in their homes from Covid and not being counted.

[jimjamuser]

Your correct. I follow the medical professionals and scientific data closely from multiple sources and, I 100% know that the Covid 19 is NOT A HOAX, IT IS NOT GOING AWAY SOON and people are dying because they are not following the CDC guidelines.
Not talking jumbo-Mr. Jimbo.
Everybody knows that deaths are a LAGGING INDICATOR
Everybody knows cases are the important LEADING INDICATOR
Everybody knows it's smart to prepare for the FUTURE PLAGUE
Everybody knows there is no HOAX
That's how it goes. when everybody knows!

[Nucky]

Did 120 people die in Florida in one day? Nope. That makes Good Life Correct.

I also noticed on this thread that people who usually are not long-winded with their posts seem to be nowadays. Make you wonder if? Ah, forget it!

I think we are very fortunate to have people from the medical field in our midst who give of their expertise so freely and some of us seem to swat it away.

I appreciate your posts Good Life.

[jimjamuser]

You don't have to trust the news if that is your political slant, but a death is a death is a death. You cannot call that fake news.
According to the FL Covid web site, we had 11,385 reported new cases and 93 new deaths yesterday. Those are real tragedies for families and not just numbers. So you can poo-poo the media reporting but if it leads you to disbelieving the seriousness of this pandemic, then just wait. You'll no doubt become personally enveloped in the crisis, whether as a Typhoid Mary spreader or a victim, and thus one of the statistics.
Beautiful logic. The non-believers can deny the deaths coming in Tulsa. If you REALLY want to catch a falling CV droplet and put it in your nose and brain, just go to indoor rallies or to Church. Pick your poison. I am staying home with my pet goldfish!

[JoMar]

Does any of this really matter, those that don't believe won't until something happens inside their circle of friends or family and maybe even not then. Those that do believe something not good is happening will take the necessary precautions for themselves and others. One can always find someones chart or report or internet opinion to substantiate their views. So for me, all the opinions on here regarding the validity of what's happening are a waste of time. Too much going on in too many states to too many people to ignore....it's not just about Florida.

[mtlee024]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

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Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

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So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

It is horrible that they re not held accountable. The only way is to not buy their paper or go online to read their news.

[jimjamuser]

In my humble opinion, scientists will always win over politicians!
Hope so but , in Russia, the expression is "don't bother believing anything that our Government says". And if we ignore science for a few more years, then in 20 years CV will be coastal property.

[mtlee024]

Your correct. I follow the medical professionals and scientific data closely from multiple sources and, I 100% know that the Covid 19 is NOT A HOAX, IT IS NOT GOING AWAY SOON and people are dying because they are not following the CDC guidelines.

This not what the thread is about. Please stay on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:boom:

[blueash]

In the article and headline they state "Florida's deadliest day of pandemic"

120 people did not die of covid on 7/9/2020 Nine did according to dates on the actual death certificates. The rest were deaths from earlier dates.

Look at their chart, they put all 120 deaths on 7/9/2020. Looks like a big spike.

It's BS

No, what's BS is the continual carping and presenting of wrong information by ....

The chart which you are claiming shows 120 deaths as occurring on 7/9 does not show that. It shows 120 deaths reported on 7/9. If you don't understand the difference I can write a long post trying to educate you.

The chart you present labeled daily new deaths shows exactly the same information for every single day... The number of deaths reported on each day. And that day with 120 was the highest ever. Apples to apples. Deaths from COVID are higher now than they were in April or May per the day the death was registered by the state. It is not fake, it is not a hoax. Sheesh. It was the deadliest day for new reported deaths. Is that clear enough?

[Nucky]

Sorry but! YouTube (https://youtu.be/xfGzyKRJSuA). Who do we believe?

I still appreciate all of your points of view.

[GoodLife]

No, what's BS is the continual carping and presenting of wrong information by ....

The chart which you are claiming shows 120 deaths as occurring on 7/9 does not show that. It shows 120 deaths reported on 7/9. If you don't understand the difference I can write a long post trying to educate you.

The chart you present labeled daily new deaths shows exactly the same information for every single day... The number of deaths reported on each day. And that day with 120 was the highest ever. Apples to apples. Deaths from COVID are higher now than they were in April or May per the day the death was registered by the state. It is not fake, it is not a hoax. Sheesh. It was the deadliest day for new reported deaths. Is that clear enough?

LOL seriously?

The Sentinel chart is labeled Daily New Deaths, not daily reported deaths. It's very misleading in that it makes one think deaths are now higher than ever, and they are not.

It shows 120 for July 9, and on 4/16 52 deaths

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The Actual deaths per day chart is labeled correctly.

It shows that the peak actual death day was 4/16 at 78 deaths, and deaths on July 9 at 9. The deaths that actually happened July 9 will go up in a week or two, but it isn't going to be 120.

The Sentinel could post a correct death per day chart if they wanted to, but it wouldn't fit their panic porn headline.

If one chooses to think both charts look the same, I know of a good eye Doctor. :)

[jebartle]

The media is not just biased, they are flat out spreading lies.

Oh my, I'm holding my tongue moderator.

[sallybowron]

Your correct. I follow the medical professionals and scientific data closely from multiple sources and, I 100% know that the Covid 19 is NOT A HOAX, IT IS NOT GOING AWAY SOON and people are dying because they are not following the CDC guidelines.

It upsets me greatly that I see people in TV not wearing masks while they are shopping, going to the library, walking (in herds) , going to church, etc. I aksed one lady why she was not and was told she was not getting Covid because she takes good care of herself. AU Contraire my dear, if you were taking good care of yourself you would be wearing a mask. Many supposedly healthy people have gotten the disease. Tom Hanks and his wife had it way back. Now he is not releasing his new movie to theatres but will put it out streaming. He always looked in good shape to me.
If you hear that a Villager went after someone for not wearing a mask, it may well be me. :1rotfl: I have surgery scheduled on 6/28 and do not want to be getting sick before that. :pray::pray:

[Hoosierb4]

Look again at the headline. The first half is true...."Florida Reports 120 Deaths Today"....The second part may or may not be true. Because of the delay in reporting, we don't know yet what the real number that died "today" is. It may be 9 (not likely), or it may be 109 or more. But, the increase in total number of deaths reported is real. Gentlemen (and ladies), we have a problem!

[BossLady]

We are in the early stages of a pandemic. Period. The statistics collected and reported daily are reliable. To some extent forget about the national and even statewide statistics. Those reported for Sumter County are most important to me. Those reports show a 9.2% increase in positive test results in one day -- from Thursday to Friday! There are very few if any ICU beds available in nearby hospitals and the death rate is increasing. Hopefully, it won't get to the point where refrigerated trailers are needed for the bodies. But make no mistake, this is a virus you don't want to catch. It can have deadly results and life-changing effects on human organs.

Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

I wonder if/how the hospitals in the area have prepared for the Pandemic; since we bought time during those months we spent in lock-down so they could stock up and get ready for this?? I wonder how local hospitals spent that time? How many Ventilators around here? Just how ready are Hospitals for this in a community, specially built for Seniors, which this virus targets? I hope forward-thinking is being applied. This might need to be another thread?

I do not want to get who-knows-how sick even if it doesn’t kill me.

[Byte1]

It upsets me greatly that I see people in TV not wearing masks while they are shopping, going to the library, walking (in herds) , going to church, etc. I aksed one lady why she was not and was told she was not getting Covid because she takes good care of herself. AU Contraire my dear, if you were taking good care of yourself you would be wearing a mask. Many supposedly healthy people have gotten the disease. Tom Hanks and his wife had it way back. Now he is not releasing his new movie to theatres but will put it out streaming. He always looked in good shape to me.
If you hear that a Villager went after someone for not wearing a mask, it may well be me. :1rotfl: I have surgery scheduled on 6/28 and do not want to be getting sick before that. :pray::pray:

I wear a mask inside public places. However, if what other people do bother someone, they should not be around those people. You CANNOT mandate that others conform to YOUR standards, period. It's kind of like charity. If you confiscate someone's property to give to other "deserving" individuals, then it is NOT charity. You cannot force someone to wear a mask if they do not wish to. Better to just stay home if it bothers you.

[Byte1]

Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

I wonder if/how the hospitals in the area have prepared for the Pandemic; since we bought time during those months we spent in lock-down so they could stock up and get ready for this?? I wonder how local hospitals spent that time? How many Ventilators around here? Just how ready are Hospitals for this in a community, specially built for Seniors, which this virus targets? I hope forward-thinking is being applied. This might need to be another thread?

I do not want to get who-knows-how sick even if it doesn’t kill me.

Hmm, I wonder what happened to the mobile hospital units that were installed when this started? I think that since there was no use for them, they were taken down but I am not sure. They didn't even use them in NYC. We had some in FL also but I have not heard that they were utilized. I guess it is nice to be over prepared and not need it, rather than under prepared and need it.

[Sherry8bal]

I agree, they are just trying to mess with the numbers to twist the facts!!

[WhiteToast]

Hmm, I wonder what happened to the mobile hospital units that were installed when this started? I think that since there was no use for them, they were taken down but I am not sure. They didn't even use them in NYC. We had some in FL also but I have not heard that they were utilized. I guess it is nice to be over prepared and not need it, rather than under prepared and need it.

I hope we don’t need mobile units. I’d much rather be overprepared.

[Villagerjjm]

The key is exactly what you stated: FLORIDA REPORTED !!! Meaning the State Government. Problem is, they are NOT reporting accurately and have to be threatened with law suits before they release the information. So, which one is spewing "fake news"? The Orlando Sentinal or the State Government with a majority of "you know what's"!

[Two Bills]

Don't know why people expect the truth, or straight forward facts anyway.
It's election year.
As the man said, "lies, damned lies, and statistics!"

[maggie1]

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

[Dana1963]

I’m not to worried about the death count it’s the amount of positive testing over 9000 daily and admissions to hospitals. If people are admitted it then turns into a financial issue. If a person tests positive and do not require hospitalization will they actually quarantine. 60% of workers in Florida do not get medical insurance or paid time off. PPE expires July 26th.
Deaths reported is not fake news. The current infections are not due to protests that was at its height over 5 weeks ago.

[crash]

The are a few things that I'm curious about. I'd like to see the number of positive cases each day by county. It seems to me that the vast majority of cases are being discovered in Miami-Dade, Brevard and Palm Beach counties.
I also understand that the majority of new cases have been in the 18-40 year age group.
Could this be because when bars were re-opened that a lot of young people began going to bars while ignoring social distancing? Could some of the bar owners have ignored the maximum occupancy requirements in an effort to make up for lost business?

I also don't seem to be able to find the number of new cases by state as a percentage of the population. Florida is the third largest state in the country. It stands to reason that we'd have the third most cases, but we are fourth.

Another number that I've never seen is the number of people that have had the virus and have had recovered. How many "active" cases are there?

It seems that the more people that currently have the virus the more of a danger it is. But people that have had it and have recovered are no longer a danger. So far there have been about 3.2 million cases in the US, but that is a total number of people that have had it. It's a bit misleading because it makes it seem as though there are 3 million contagious people running around with the virus. Same thing for Florida. The have been 244,000 cases in Florida, but that doesn't mean that that many people still have the virus.

Older people are in greater danger of dying from Covid-19. It would stand to reason that Florida would have the highest percentage of deaths from the virus.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from any of this. I'm just saying that we're not being given all of the information, or many of us are missing much of the information that we need to form an opinion of what's going on.

Obviously, this virus is very serious. 180 countries around the world are treating it as such. But still, looking at bits and pieces of information and cherry picking certain numbers doesn't help anyone or anything.

Add to that the fact that it is in the best interest of the media to sensationalize everything and I have to question how informed we are.

We are definitely not getting all the info. They fired the lady who did the dashboard because she would not manipulate the data as DeSantis ordered.

[crash]

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

Right with you Maggie and to some it will only come true when it hits close to them.

Crazy kids having COVID parties who think it is a joke. It is not fake news. Take the simple advice to protect yourself and others WEAR a MASK and social distance.

[xNYer]

You don't have to trust the news if that is your political slant, but a death is a death is a death. You cannot call that fake news.
According to the FL Covid web site, we had 11,385 reported new cases and 93 new deaths yesterday. Those are real tragedies for families and not just numbers. So you can poo-poo the media reporting but if it leads you to disbelieving the seriousness of this pandemic, then just wait. You'll no doubt become personally enveloped in the crisis, whether as a Typhoid Mary spreader or a victim, and thus one of the statistics.

Exactly, deaths are recorded by the Florida department of health on the day they are reported. The original poster would like the recording to be recorded on a different date, increasing the numbers on the prior date based on his preference to accuse the media of distorting data.
The total number of deaths would not change, and the media is reporting data, not distorting data.
It’s the desire to call it fake news to minimize the impact of COVID 19 deaths.
Others tried to claim that COVID 19 deaths are underreported, however the total number of deaths compared to prior years is actually greater than the number of COVID deaths reported. If someone, for example has heart disease, also has COVID 19 and dies ina hospital the recording of death may say COVID 19, since that Person would not have died otherwise, although the underlying condition contributed to his or her death.

[GoodLife]

Exactly, deaths are recorded by the Florida department of health on the day they are reported. The original poster would like the recording to be recorded on a different date, increasing the numbers on the prior date based on his preference to accuse the media of distorting data.


This isn't very complicated or hard to understand. There were 120 death certificates turned in on July 9. The death certificates have the date the person actually died. To actually know what is happening you need to have a chart that shows actual date of death, this way you can see what the actual trend is. When a newspaper puts up a headline screaming "deadliest day ever" it's a lie. 120 people did not die on July 9.

Here is how the 120 deaths were allocated properly to the actual date of death.

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[Slapnut]

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want

[GoodLife]

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want

You are welcome. It is amazing how many people here will defend fraudulent charts and panic porn headlines. What could be more simple than presenting the death data accurately?

[ffresh]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

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Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

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So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

Thanks for this useful post, which confirms what many of us know to be true. The MSM are the sycophants (lap dogs) of the state. It's analogous to the role Pravda played in soviet Russia, not long ago. The amazing thing is I used to observe the phenomenon when I was young and think, how sad that the Russian people are continually propagandized in this manner, never suspecting that one day, we would be subjected to far worse, i.e. from "all sides" at "all times". Some say that one significant difference is that the Russian people knew that they were being lied to. :)

Fred

[biker1]

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and your clear explanation of what is going on. I appreciate your postings on COVID-19 and hope you continue to post.

This isn't very complicated or hard to understand. There were 120 death certificates turned in on July 9. The death certificates have the date the person actually died. To actually know what is happening you need to have a chart that shows actual date of death, this way you can see what the actual trend is. When a newspaper puts up a headline screaming "deadliest day ever" it's a lie. 120 people did not die on July 9.

Here is how the 120 deaths were allocated properly to the actual date of death.

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[ffresh]

And who do we trust? Our government? Come on

Neither … the government and MSM, without question, are in a licentious relationship with one another!

Fred

[theruizs]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

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Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

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So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

But we can trust a faceless self appointed data expert on TOTV?

[ffresh]

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

I didn't see anyone (including the OP) claiming it was a hoax, just that the MSM, in this case the Orlando Sentinel, is dealing in sensationalism. And to dogmatically claim that "Nobody is trying to scare anyone" is utter nonsense. There are MANY out there trying to keep the masses in a constant state of fear, on this issue and many others. It necessitates one using critical thinking and a dollop of discernment to see through the lies and propaganda. If one does not believe this, or is incapable, then you are subject to "having the wool pulled over your eyes" often and in many cases. :icon_wink:

Fred

[Bonnevie]

I think you only have to look at the actions of The Villages powers that be to realize it's still a very big threat. This past week was supposed to allow the start of an activity that I enjoyed participating in. there was to be new restrictions to allow for social distancing, etc. but they were cancelled. the fact that the Daily Sun had not one but two front page articles about the virus was very telling. The virus remains a very dangerous prospect for our community. And you can argue with the statistics all you want, but the numbers of Villagers testing positive is increasing. Just found out a woman on my street tested positive despite doing all the right things. I don't care if younger people are the ones getting it--they make up the staff serving in the restaurants.....so remain a source for infection. As long as people think wearing masks is optional, we are still at risk. The fact that younger people are getting it does not change the fact that I have been prevented from doing the activities I moved here for. If the virus could be controlled state wide then things could open up for everyone.

[E Cascade]

How do we send someone a private reply? Seems like we have lost that ability. If you see how to do that, please reply to me so I will get it. Thx.

[ffresh]

I trust the scientists. Tell the folks in AZ and TX it’s all a media hoax. Tell all the medical personnel who are again experiencing shortages of PPE it’s all a hoax. Good luck to you if you believe it’s all a hoax.

YES, we all know scientists never have an agenda. And, even if they did, they certainly would never lie :ohdear:


Fred

[billethkid]

How do we send someone a private reply? Seems like we have lost that ability. If you see how to do that, please reply to me so I will get it. Thx.

On the old version just right click the name in the upper left corner.
I cannot speak for the new version.

[ffresh]

What I would like to know is how many deaths are caused by Covid as opposed to how many death occurred where the patient also had Covid. Someone that dies of a stroke that also has heart disease, doesn't mean he died of heart disease.

Unfortunately, you'll never get those (accurate) numbers; it doesn't comport with the accepted narrative! :icon_wink:

Fred

[ffresh]

Media gets it wrong when the data they receive is wrong (And mistakes are occasionally made) but to say they are spreading lies is a stretch. A free press is necessary for a democracy. Freedom of the press is one of the rights protected by the First Amendment same as freedom of speech, right to assemble, freedom of religion, etc.

Stating why the First Amendment was penned and proffering that the media doesn't spread lies doesn't belong in the same paragraph! The MSM (and others) continually spread lies to further their agenda and that of the state. To think otherwise is a fool's play. The CIA, NSA and others have been proven to have their hands dirty in this arena and can be corroborated with a minimum of research:

Operation Mockingbird - The Black Vault (https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-mockingbird/)

Congress Investigating CIA influence in MSM
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEeZJ9-rYXA)


Fred

[ffresh]

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

Another viewpoint:

New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax (https://banned.video/watch?id=5ee13c3cc7a607002f0c8187)

Fred

[ffresh]

We are definitely not getting all the info. They fired the lady who did the dashboard because she would not manipulate the data as DeSantis ordered.

Definitely a slanderous allegation … unless, of course, you can supply definite proof, not hearsay :ohdear:

Fred

[Bonnevie]

Another viewpoint:

New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax (https://banned.video/watch?id=5ee13c3cc7a607002f0c8187)

Fred

that site is just as biased in the opposite direction as the one you rail against.

[ffresh]

Our friends daughter is a doctor and she was working in Elmhurst hospital in Queens NY. She said they had to line up all the body bags behind the hospital because they were over loaded. She was working the Covid wards. Three people I know personally lost loved ones due to Covid. I still see far too many people not wearing masks in public places . Just heard that the Publix at Southern Trace had 2 employees test positive .

Another viewpoint:

New York Undercover Nurse Confirms COVID-19 Criminal Hoax (https://banned.video/watch?id=5ee13c3cc7a607002f0c8187)

Fred

[bobnyce]

The media cannot be trusted to deliver news because it’s no longer their job. Their job is to sell advertising. By keeping us in fear and divided they hav determined that we will watch, listen or read more news thereby increasing their ad revenue
No one can trust the media. Most of them are incompetent fools who are photogenic morons! Sorry, but this opinion is based on over 35 years of public service where media reporting got it wrong or purposely mislead the public. I can only laugh when I hear the improper use of the English language by supposed "trained" reporters! Don't trust - verify! My two cents.

[ffresh]

that site is just as biased in the opposite direction as the one you rail against.

I didn't "rail" against anything. As a rational reader could confirm, I stated, "another viewpoint". So, a differing viewpoint is railing against:

rail against (someone or something) To protest, criticize, or vent angrily about someone or something

Wrong choice of words, I believe :1rotfl:

In addition, the site is hosting a video interview with a "front line" trauma nurse who served in Iraq (or Afghanistan … I forget) and then, Elmhurst in NYC, turned "whistleblower", who, IMHO, has no reason to lie or exaggerate - unlike the hospitals receiving $13k for C-19 patients and $39k, if placed on a ventilator (reported by many sources). This video interview has been removed by the usual suspects who do not want their narrative toppled. That is why it's hosted on "banned videos" and I would highly recommend that you watch it. So, your point, again, was what exactly? :ohdear:

Fred

[JoMar]

No one can trust the media. Most of them are incompetent fools who are photogenic morons! Sorry, but this opinion is based on over 35 years of public service where media reporting got it wrong or purposely mislead the public. I can only laugh when I hear the improper use of the English language by supposed "trained" reporters! Don't trust - verify! My two cents.

Only issue is the verification is biased by the beliefs of those seeking to verify. You can find sites that will justify whatever you want to hear. More people are getting sick, being hospitalized and dying but if you believe it's a hoax or just the flu then nothing will change your mind and you will search out those that agree with you. We must all do what we believe is right for us and in my case that includes social distancing, wearing a mask, avoiding large groups, you know, the stuff that we did in the beginning that worked. The downside of not doing that is that the stuff we want to do will close down or not reopen at all. All because there are those that think it's all a hoax and won't play nice.

[Gulfcoast]

YES, we all know scientists never have an agenda. And, even if they did, they certainly would never lie :ohdear:


Fred

On the upside, the concerns about climate change have evaporated seemingly overnight.

[xNYer]

This isn't very complicated or hard to understand. There were 120 death certificates turned in on July 9. The death certificates have the date the person actually died. To actually know what is happening you need to have a chart that shows actual date of death, this way you can see what the actual trend is. When a newspaper puts up a headline screaming "deadliest day ever" it's a lie. 120 people did not die on July 9.

Here is how the 120 deaths were allocated properly to the actual date of death.

85193

You really don’t get it. 120 deaths were recorded that day. To know how many actually occurred that day you would have to go to a date in the future to find out how many people had died that day. The current system more readily allows trends to be viewed. You have a clear desire to minimize what is going on for some reason.

[John41]

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-orange-july9-update-20200709-ondwmakepvfhzgzwrrs2yyaoba-story.html)

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

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Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.
Thanks for doing that informative analysis.

[GoodLife]

You really don’t get it. 120 deaths were recorded that day. To know how many actually occurred that day you would have to go to a date in the future to find out how many people had died that day. The current system more readily allows trends to be viewed. You have a clear desire to minimize what is going on for some reason.

LOL So you are saying that placing 120 deaths all on a day they didn't actually happen allows trends to be spotted? When most of them actually happened in previous months? Yikes :loco:

[blueash]

LOL seriously?

The Sentinel chart is labeled Daily New Deaths, not daily reported deaths. It's very misleading in that it makes one think deaths are now higher than ever, and they are not.

It shows 120 for July 9, and on 4/16 52 deaths

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The Actual deaths per day chart is labeled correctly.

It shows that the peak actual death day was 4/16 at 78 deaths, and deaths on July 9 at 9. The deaths that actually happened July 9 will go up in a week or two, but it isn't going to be 120.

The Sentinel could post a correct death per day chart if they wanted to, but it wouldn't fit their panic porn headline.

If one chooses to think both charts look the same, I know of a good eye Doctor. :)

This is getting really sad. You continue to post that the 120 is wrong because only 9 people died that day.
The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday.
You have no idea how many people died that day because the death certificates are still pending for almost every person who died that day. The only way to have up to date data is to report, as the newspaper did, the number of deaths REPORTED that day. Come back in 6 weeks to get the actual number who died that day. By then it is not news. How fallacious was your post the "there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday"? Did you qualify your post to say what you should have said right at the outset that the 9 number you were reporting was completely meaningless?

Policy needs to be made on data. Like the number of new infections REPORTED on a day. Today it is over 15,000 for Florida. Were all those tests done yesterday, no. So you think the 15,000 is a lie because some were done as long as 10 days ago? Do you think the lab should be required to list the actual date the swab was obtained so you can whine about what the actual date of the event was? If the Sentinel headlines "Yesterday worst day for new infections" are you going to start a new thread attacking the number?

120 people were reported to have died on that day. Date of reported death is a completely valid metric. It is used by every single agency nationally and internationally to track COVID. You can post all you like about how reporting it is misleading, but it is your attempt to claim the statistic itself is misleading that is errant.

Complain to the CDC, to Johns Hopkins, to the Florida DOH. They all are prominently reporting the deaths on the day it was recorded. Yes, they also go back to enter the date of death but that in no way negates the utility of the metric you are attacking.

The Sentinel's reporting was accurate and detailed. The article carefully explained the metric and how it was obtained and what it means. It is in some respects retrospective. Consider "Candidate A polling badly" as a headline. You want to complain that such would be a misleading headline as the poll was not conducted at the moment the paper was printed or that it should say "Candidate A polled badly last week" ? Is doesn't work that way. Any intelligent reader understands that headlines are shorthand and meant to catch the reader's eye. That's why the article needs to be read. Tell me, do you have any substantive disagreement with the actual article?

[jimjamuser]

Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

I wonder if/how the hospitals in the area have prepared for the Pandemic; since we bought time during those months we spent in lock-down so they could stock up and get ready for this?? I wonder how local hospitals spent that time? How many Ventilators around here? Just how ready are Hospitals for this in a community, specially built for Seniors, which this virus targets? I hope forward-thinking is being applied. This might need to be another thread?

I do not want to get who-knows-how sick even if it doesn’t kill me.
The states of Arizona, Arkansas, and Texas did NOT learn from the NY and even Italian CV experience during their months of reprieve. So, why would we?

[Bonnevie]

I didn't "rail" against anything. As a rational reader could confirm, I stated, "another viewpoint". So, a differing viewpoint is railing against:

rail against (someone or something) To protest, criticize, or vent angrily about someone or something

Wrong choice of words, I believe :1rotfl:

In addition, the site is hosting a video interview with a "front line" trauma nurse who served in Iraq (or Afghanistan … I forget) and then, Elmhurst in NYC, turned "whistleblower", who, IMHO, has no reason to lie or exaggerate - unlike the hospitals receiving $13k for C-19 patients and $39k, if placed on a ventilator (reported by many sources). This video interview has been removed by the usual suspects who do not want their narrative toppled. That is why it's hosted on "banned videos" and I would highly recommend that you watch it. So, your point, again, was what exactly? :ohdear:

Fred

so one nurse on a video from a far right source should be given as much credence as the many, many doctors and nurses who have described a nightmare of work or the 600 who have died treating patients. and how do you know she doesn't have a motive to lie....there are plenty of people saying preposterous things...you know, the 15 minutes of fame and all

sorry if my choice of words riled you.....

[jimjamuser]

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.
Liars, liars, pants on fire! And those NYC bodybags contained mannequins!

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want
Liars, liars, pants on fire. And all those bodybags in NYC have been photoshopped!

[cherylncliff]

Deaths will lag a surge by 2-6 weeks just by the way the disease progresses. Also, improved therapeutic treatments have improved survivability but the long term effects of severe infection, even in the younger patients, seem to be rather dire including potential cognitive impairment, decreased lung capacity and cardiovascular damage. Feel free to put your own life at risk with risky behavior but please stop putting everyone else at risk by denying the science.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for this useful post, which confirms what many of us know to be true. The MSM are the sycophants (lap dogs) of the state. It's analogous to the role Pravda played in soviet Russia, not long ago. The amazing thing is I used to observe the phenomenon when I was young and think, how sad that the Russian people are continually propagandized in this manner, never suspecting that one day, we would be subjected to far worse, i.e. from "all sides" at "all times". Some say that one significant difference is that the Russian people knew that they were being lied to. :)

Fred
Come on. I believe that Pravda was very "fair and balanced" for the right comrades.

[TomPerrett]

How ever you look at it covid is attacking and killing. So if it makes you feel better to move the numbers around go ahead. Florida now has the distinction of having the state with the greatest single day of reported cases.
So believe what you want and hope you’re alive to see the end result .

[jimjamuser]

But we can trust a faceless self appointed data expert on TOTV?
Point-----touche

[jimjamuser]

On the upside, the concerns about climate change have evaporated seemingly overnight.
But like CV Global Warming does NOT stop even if people stop believing.

[blueash]

BossLady
Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

You can see a daily report of hospital data by county HERE (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/HospitalBedsCounty?%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal =y&%3Aembed=y)
Workbook':' Public (https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/HospitalBedsCounty?%3AisGuestRedirectFromVizportal =y&%3Aembed=y)

I cannot find an archive so if you want to follow the data I suggest writing down the numbers. There is also a tab of number of patients admitted with a PRIMARY diagnosis of Covid. This is not a number of all patients in the hospital who are Covid positive only those where COVID is the reason for hospitalization

Sumter on Jul 12 reports:
Total hospital beds 347
Covid patients [primary diagnosis] 20
Total ICU beds 40
ICU beds open 9

I cannot answer your questions about equipment. More importantly I cannot answer your concerns about level of expertise. Having a ventilator does not tell you about the quality of the doctor, nurse, and resp therapist. In many critical conditions small hospitals simply don't have enough experience with cases to have well trained and prepared staff. That's why you often hear of really sick patients being transferred to larger facilities.
This state does not report whether the ICU beds are occupied with COVID patients.

[skip0358]

So how accurate are the numbers? I was tested last week got a call that night telling me I was negative, got a call the following day stating the same thing then Saturday I got a third call telling me I was negative once again. I'm glad I was negative for sure BUT was that 3 negative test then or just one? It's a numbers game for sure. Don't know who to trust anymore period.

[ffresh]

Food for thought:

Harry Vox Predicts What’s Happening Now in 2014 :shocked:
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfgZnWqh2J0&feature=youtu.be)

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Its hard to believe any of you numb-skulls feel arguing about the number of deaths is a good thing. The facts we all know are the Feds screwed this up very badly and the gov is a hand puppet for the leader of the free world.
Everybody knows, the Feds screwed this up
Everybody knows, the hand puppets are to blame
Everybody knows, the dice are loaded
That's how it goes, when everybody knows

[coffeebean]

............... Tom Hanks and his wife had it way back. Now he is not releasing his new movie to theatres but will put it out streaming. He always looked in good shape to me.0
.............:

Tom Hanks has Type 2 Diabetes. He is a lucky man to have come through Covid as well as he did.

[GoodLife]

This is getting really sad. You continue to post that the 120 is wrong because only 9 people died that day.

You have no idea how many people died that day because the death certificates are still pending for almost every person who died that day.

Never said the 120 deaths reported was wrong. Just pointed out that most of them happened in previous months all the way back to April.

You have no idea how many people that actually died on July 9 either. So far we know of nine. The Sentinel headline and chart are misleading because they make it look like they all happened on July 9. As more deaths are backfilled from future deaths, we'll know the real number and actual trend.

What is sad is people who insist panic porn headlines and graphs are real.

120 people were reported to have died on that day. Date of reported death is a completely valid metric. It is used by every single agency nationally and internationally to track COVID. You can post all you like about how reporting it is misleading, but it is your attempt to claim the statistic itself is misleading that is errant

Nope, 120 death certs came in on that day, they died on multiple days going back to all the way to April. Not on July 9.

Florida does not use reported day of deaths for the dashboard, they use actual date of death numbers like any sane person would.

Here's a snapshot of todays graph, and look, they now have 21 deaths for July 9. Yesterday it had 9. It is updated daily to show actual date of death numbers. Most of those 120 were backfilled to June. This is how it's done correctly, not the bogus graph the Sentinel used for it's panic porn article. So I guess reported day of deaths are not used by "every single agency" to track covid deaths. That would be insane.

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[Snorkl46]

Never said the 120 deaths reported was wrong. Just pointed out that most of them happened in previous months all the way back to April.

You have no idea how many people that actually died on July 9 either. So far we know of nine. The Sentinel headline and chart are misleading because they make it look like they all happened on July 9. As more deaths are backfilled from future deaths, we'll know the real number and actual trend.

What is sad is people who insist panic porn headlines and graphs are real.

If you look at the daily counts published by the Florida Department of Health, 751 people have been reported to die of Covid in July to date. Whether they passed in June or July, that's a dramatic rise in deaths. Also, Sumter county had been averaging 2 or 3 new cases per week. We are now averaging 20 to 30 new ones per day. That also is according to the Florida DOH.

[Jacob85]

It’s so interesting how people quibble over the numbers. Only this many people died or got the virus! I think it somehow makes them feel better that maybe they won’t get it. The bottom line is Most of the people in the villages are over the age and have underlying conditions. If there are any cases here at all it’s very contagious so would be good to stop minimizing the numbers and wear masks, social distance, don’t gather in groups and wash hands often! These things will keep you safer not playing games with the numbers and then going out and acting like it is not here!

[bhassett123]

Let's talk facts and numbers and forget the politics of this horrible pandemic. So I would say, at least where I am near Lake Deaton, there has been a lot more testing from the lines at the local Walgreens over the last two or more weeks. That is great; the more that are getting tested the better. It would be expected that there would be a correlating increase in positives. To report a spike in case would be false if this were the case.

My question is, do these statics that are being surfaced show the number of testing to compared to the number of positives OR is it just well, we got more positives in the area and that is what is being reported? Also, how are deaths being calculated? Just how many have died? More to the point, what percentage of tested and positive have died.

Please don't forget to quote your sources of information to be fair to everyone.

[coffeebean]

On the old version just right click the name in the upper left corner.
I cannot speak for the new version.

Works the same for the new version. I just tried it on my iPhone while using the new version.

[yankygrl]

I personally think that the % of those with the virus (positive tests) versus the number tested is what we should be looking at. Yes the number of deaths should also be %. I think we were at 5% prior to July 4th, then a surge and now the number is more like 12 - 15% of new positive cases. Still it is effecting mostly those UNDER 40.

[JoMar]

I personally think that the % of those with the virus (positive tests) versus the number tested is what we should be looking at. Yes the number of deaths should also be %. I think we were at 5% prior to July 4th, then a surge and now the number is more like 12 - 15% of new positive cases. Still it is effecting mostly those UNDER 40.

And that means what? Northern states have restricted our travel, Atlanta has gone back to stay at home, hospitalizations are up and available ICU beds are dropping and that's not just a Florida issue. So if your stats make you somehow feel better then go for it, reality is that most other folks in the Country believe there is an issue, some are taking steps to try and roll back the spread. Statistics and percentages won't keep you safe, your actions could.

[GoodLife]

If you look at the daily counts published by the Florida Department of Health, 751 people have been reported to die of Covid in July to date. Whether they passed in June or July, that's a dramatic rise in deaths. Also, Sumter county had been averaging 2 or 3 new cases per week. We are now averaging 20 to 30 new ones per day. That also is according to the Florida DOH.

So far in July, 474 have died in Florida, you can add them up on the graph with death by dates (grey bars) Just hover cursor over each bar and you get date followed by number of deaths.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

[mneumann02]

I heard that last year there were 1 and a half million deaths from tuberculosis but no masks for that. The death rate from this so called pandemic is one hundredth of one percent. It's a scare tactic that I am sick and tired of hearing about. It's about control. If the government can scare us into controlling what we do and how we live then we will become a dictatorship. We really need to stand up to these idiots and let them know that we won't take it anymore

I apologize for the untrue statements in this post. Only idiots believe this stuff. The death rate worldwide is about 5%. If you believe this pandemic is a scam, suggest all you non-believers volunteer at our care facilities and relieve those on the front lines who are dying while treating the scam patients.

[coffeebean]

I heard that last year there were 1 and a half million deaths from tuberculosis but no masks for that. The death rate from this so called pandemic is one hundredth of one percent. It's a scare tactic that I am sick and tired of hearing about. It's about control. If the government can scare us into controlling what we do and how we live then we will become a dictatorship. We really need to stand up to these idiots and let them know that we won't take it anymore

Please provide a link with those statistics. Did you make those numbers up?

The latest stats I have found are for 2018 . No where near what you quoted.

This is what I found when I Googled the information........

TB Incidence in the U.S. | Data & Statistics | TB | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/tb/statistics/tbcases.htm)

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=yankygrl;1802230]I personally think that the % of those with the virus (positive tests) versus the number tested is what we should be looking at. Yes the number of deaths should also be %. I think we were at 5% prior to July 4th, then a surge and now the number is more like 12 - 15% of new positive cases. Still it is effecting mostly those UNDER 40.[/

so it's affecting mostly those under 40. you mean the people who wait on us at Publix, or restaurants or any number of different places? so we don't have to worry about catching it from them? again, I say if there was no worry, then The Villages would be allowing more activities. they are not! they know what a disaster it would be if this becomes a hot spot. then you can quibble all you want about whether the death numbers are accurate because the two local hospitals will be over run with very sick covid patients. make no mistake, that is a major fear of the powers that be.

[billethkid]

In March/April when numbers were beginning to rise there was talk every day by POTUS/Governors what we had to do to "flatten the curve".
Including taking such drastic measures a literally shutting down the economy.
Daily reporting of progress made or not. Showing other states/countries that are making progress because.......
or not because........

Now with the rising numbers supposedly breaking records every day.....where/what is the objective.

Pretty please wear a mask....if you don't that's OK.
Please social distance....if you don't that's OK too.
If they don't do the above they certainly don't wash their hands or avoid touching their face.

Many in authority say there will be no shut down again.

So what level of infection/death has those in authority deemed to be acceptable?

Have we not passed the level where those in authority should contemplate...... state OK enough is enough. Then mandate AND ENFORCE masks and social distancing.

[Slapnut]

It's not a hoax but the death rate is .01 of 1 percent. Last year alone over 1 and a half million people died of tuberculosis. We're there any mask mandates for this. No, this is a scare tactic to control people like you. If you're scared stay inside. This is the media blowing this all out of proportion

[TooColdNJ]

The current day media cannot be trusted about anything they say. It’s not just exaggeration. They blatantly lie to the public every day.

I am so tired of hearing that! They do not blatantly lie to the public every day. People who feel that way do so because the media doesn’t AGREE with what they believe. Lies are outright deceptions. Lies are “I never said that,” or “ i never did that,” when there’s evidence that someone really did.

The police department will never be defunded, and that horrible 911 political ad is meant to scare people into believing that’s what the left wants. Most people who don’t know any better don’t take the time to watch anything other than FOX news or read about some of the programs and plans on the left. If they did, maybe they’d at least be more educated and knowledgeable, and realize that isn’t the case.

No matter what news reports it, the media provides facts about things everyone can see and even judge for themselves, while others keep their blinders on and their minds closed. .

You say we’re being lied to; the media lies; anything they report about trump is a lie, even if we see and hear it with our own eyes and ears. The only BELIEVABLE news comes from FOX, and everyone else is out to get you. Hmmmm...who does that sound like?

[donassaid]

They actually get $39,000 per Covid 19 death. Anyone else wondering why the death rate from cancer, diabetes, stroke, heart attack, old age and suicide has been ZERO for the last 4 months? Every death is coded due to Covid 19. How can you trust anything that the CDC, WHO, NIH, Fauci or Birx say? They have been wrong about everything.