Florida's positive testing rate may not be accurate

[GoodLife]

The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

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There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

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[Gulfcoast]

Not surprising. The numbers have not made a great deal of sense from the get go. I saw on a Facebook group that a nurse sent a couple of swabs that had never been used to a lab for testing and both came back positive. I realize that's just an anecdotal rumor and proof of nothing, but I also tend to believe it could be true, especially after seeing this data.

[Stu from NYC]

The more this goes on the more convinced we do not know for sure what is going on

[anothersteve]

The more this goes on the more convinced we do not know for sure what is going on

Or dare I say.........believe :duck:

Steve

[coffeebean]

I’ve been wondering about this for a while regarding the positive test results......

When a person tests positive, they need to be retested a few more times and must have two consecutive negative test results in order to be considered safe to go back out into the community.

Now my question and concern...... each time that SAME person is tested and gets a positive result, is that considered a “new case” for each time a test results in a positive result?

If that is truly the case, the amount of positive “cases” is certainly NOT accurate.

Hope I made my point clear.

[Stu from NYC]

I’ve been wondering about this for a while regarding the positive test results......

When a person tests positive, they need to be retested a few more times and must have two consecutive negative test results in order to be considered safe to go back out into the community.

Now my question and concern...... each time that SAME person is tested and gets a positive result, is that considered a “new case” for each time a test results in a positive result?

If that is truly the case, the amount of positive “cases” is certainly NOT accurate.

Hope I made my point clear.

Starting to think that if you ask 10 scientists you might get 11 answers.

[SFSkol]

I’ve been wondering about this for a while regarding the positive test results......

When a person tests positive, they need to be retested a few more times and must have two consecutive negative test results in order to be considered safe to go back out into the community.

Now my question and concern...... each time that SAME person is tested and gets a positive result, is that considered a “new case” for each time a test results in a positive result?

If that is truly the case, the amount of positive “cases” is certainly NOT accurate.

Hope I made my point clear.

Also, if the same people are being tested multiple times, hospital workers, drs, politicians..., are all of those tests being counted in the total?

Not sure what to believe.

Independent Fl dashboard link.
Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/)

[Velvet]

From what I understand the numbers are by individuals so if one tests several times, they are considered as one case. They are not reporting on the number of tests done (which is separate report) but on the number of positive cases (people).

[coffeebean]

From what I understand the numbers are by individuals so if one tests several times, they are considered as one case. They are not reporting on the number of tests done (which is separate report) but on the number of positive cases (people).

I surely hope this is correct. Thank you.

[GoodLife]

I’ve been wondering about this for a while regarding the positive test results......

When a person tests positive, they need to be retested a few more times and must have two consecutive negative test results in order to be considered safe to go back out into the community.

Now my question and concern...... each time that SAME person is tested and gets a positive result, is that considered a “new case” for each time a test results in a positive result?

If that is truly the case, the amount of positive “cases” is certainly NOT accurate.

Hope I made my point clear.

This is from the the Florida State website:

These counts include the number of people for whom the department received PCR or antigen laboratory results by day. People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received. A person is only counted once for each day they are tested, regardless of whether multiple specimens are tested or multiple results are received.

So if tested several times on same day = one result
If tested on multiple days = multiple results

[anothersteve]

This is from the the Florida State website:

These counts include the number of people for whom the department received PCR or antigen laboratory results by day. People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received. A person is only counted once for each day they are tested, regardless of whether multiple specimens are tested or multiple results are received.

So if tested several times on same day = one result
If tested on multiple days = multiple results

Crazy crap!
Steve

[Velvet]

This is from the the Florida State website:

These counts include the number of people for whom the department received PCR or antigen laboratory results by day. People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received. A person is only counted once for each day they are tested, regardless of whether multiple specimens are tested or multiple results are received.

So if tested several times on same day = one result
If tested on multiple days = multiple results

Yes, but are we not talking about the daily positive cases? Today Florida 15,300 positive cases according to Worldometer. This is how many people tested positive for Covid today. They may have tested positive yesterday too but why would they go again to be tested today? Maybe they didn’t believe the first test?

[coffeebean]

This is from the the Florida State website:

These counts include the number of people for whom the department received PCR or antigen laboratory results by day. People tested on multiple days will be included for each day a new result was received. A person is only counted once for each day they are tested, regardless of whether multiple specimens are tested or multiple results are received.

So if tested several times on same day = one result
If tested on multiple days = multiple results

If this is true, I will NOT believe any of the numbers that are being reported.
If a person is positive on Monday, positive on Tuesday and positive on Wednesday, that should still be ONE CASE and ONE RESULT. It is ONE PERSON, not multiple people.

[Velvet]

The cases are correct for each day (assuming institutions report on time) but the daily totals are not necessarily cumulative.

[GoodLife]

Yes, but are we not talking about the daily positive cases? Today Florida 15,300 positive cases according to Worldometer. This is how many people tested positive for Covid today.

There is a problem in that 100s of Florida labs are only reporting positive tests, not negative tests. This doesn't mean the total for positive tests is inaccurate, it means the percentage of positive test they show every day on the dashboard is inaccurate. If you don't report negative tests, your percentage of positives will be higher than it really is.

Here's a news report from Martin County about this. I saw a similar report from Alachua county last week.

‘Technical issue’ leads to negative coronavirus test underreporting

‘Technical issue’ leads to negative coronavirus test underreporting (https://www.wflx.com/2020/05/20/technical-issue-leads-negative-coronavirus-test-underreporting/)

It appears that positive test results are automatically transmitted to the state while negative ones have to be entered manually.

[Velvet]

I look at the absolute positive numbers, but then I also look at rolling averages, 3 days and 7 days to see the trend - that corrects for institutions not reporting on time.

[Gulfcoast]

From what I understand the numbers are by individuals so if one tests several times, they are considered as one case. They are not reporting on the number of tests done (which is separate report) but on the number of positive cases (people).

I've heard posters mention that they have tested multiple times using different testing sites each time they go. I don't know if that would be counted as one individual being tested or 3 separate tests entirely.

[GoodLife]

I've heard posters mention that they have tested multiple times using different testing sites each time they go. I don't know if that would be counted as one individual being tested or 3 separate tests entirely.

3 separate test results, see my previous post.

[Gulfcoast]

3 separate test results, see my previous post.

That is what I suspected. Your posts have been very informative, btw. It's nice to see the numbers so clearly laid out.

[Hoosierb4]

From the Florida state report website:

"The percent of positive results ranged from 11.25% to 18.35% over the past 2 weeks and was 11.25% yesterday

This percent is the number of people who test PCR- or antigen-positive for the first time divided by all the people tested that day, excluding people who have previously tested positive."

This seems to indicate that they don't double-count the positives when calculating what they call percent positivity.

[Bikeracer2009]

I would be interested in any data that's available on how many people don't go through the hassle of getting tested? The news said people are lining up in Orange county at 3am in their cars. Same in Texas. If I was sick but not dying, I wouldn't go through that kind of misery. 5 plus hours in your car in a bad neighborhood. Add heat and humidity with no bathroom and forget it.

I also heard a rumor that a nurse swabbed 4 test in water or something and all 4 test came back positive. I don't remember it very well so it's not a fact by any means.

I assume once school starts we'll see another spike and then the flu season after that.

I know a pregnant nurse and a school teacher and both are very worried about the infection rate. If someone is playing games with these numbers I hope they get busted because that's a special kind of evil.

[Paporter]

The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

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There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

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I agree the numbers aren’t adding up. That’s why I’ve been asking to see the number of neg test vs pos tests. Unless, you know the number of neg tests., verses positive tests, the numbers will not be accurate.

[Boston1945]

WOW!! Did not know we have so many experts here in Villages who know all about how the numbers get reported.Reading most of the post here, I think most of the folks here think the whole thing is BULL.Just look at the number of folks who do not wear a mask.

[Marty94]

My sister is a DNP. On Friday, we learned that a patient she treated was Covid positive. The same day, a coworker’s granddaughter also tested positive. The potential existed for two exposures. So, she was tested. The results will be back today if Covid positive and a week if negative. If positive, she will be quarantined and tested every 72 hours until she gets a negative result before being able to resume duties at the hospital. The frustrating thing for the medical staff is that they are tested by the state like everyone else which takes them out of service for several days. To be eligible for the 90 minute test, you must be a patient that needs to be admitted to a hospital or a discharged patient that is returning to a group home setting such as a nursing home. The reason health care workers do not have priority is because there are simply not enough of these tests. Of her nursing staff, which is responsible for pre-op, 4 of 8 called in sick as they were waiting on test results. This is the reality.

So, to add to this discussion... I don’t know about the general population, but healthcare workers must be tested multiple times if found positive. Some states may require tests more frequently or perhaps they have access to the 90 minute test. What my sister has found though is that many people are testing positive for having had Covid without symptoms or symptoms so mild they didn’t associate it with Covid and these numbers are exponentially increasing.

[Nolesman74]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.

[retiredguy123]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.
Are you sure? How many times did they die?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

WOW!! Did not know we have so many experts here in Villages who know all about how the numbers get reported.Reading most of the post here, I think most of the folks here think the whole thing is BULL.Just look at the number of folks who do not wear a mask.

I was in Sam's Club yesterday and very few people were not wearing a mask. I'd say the same holds true for Winn Dixie and Publix where I have been over the past week.

As I look around I see the vast majority of people wearing masks inside of stores.

[Bay Kid]

Really can't believe anything reported by the news. They have an agenda.

[Mohawksin]

Starting to think that if you ask 10 scientists you might get 11 answers.
More than 11 answers if you ask them again next month.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.

Even that number is being questioned. I've read that everyone who dies while they have the virus is being counted as a Covid-19 death regardless of the cause of death. A young person that has Covid and was experiencing mild symptoms gets killed in a car accident is counted as a Covid death.

I think that this pandemic is real and very serious, but there are a lot of questions about how a lot of the numbers are calculated.

There is also the problem of politics becoming involved. It is thought to be politically advantageous for some that the numbers are higher, while other's are trying to make it seem like it's not that much of a problem.

I have an uncle that died a few months ago. He went into the hospital for one thing. While he was in rehab, he fell and broke his hip. He evidently developed a mild case of Covid and died a few days later. No autopsy was done but e is listed as a Covid death.

[Swoop]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.

130,000 have died WITH Covid, but how many have died FROM Covid. If you are wondering what constitutes a Covid death:
https://hoiabc.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

[Dana1963]

There are 307 hospitals with LABS TESTING you are cherry picking 30 LABS.The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

85202

There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

85203

[GoodLife]

There are 307 hospitals with LABS TESTING you are cherry picking 30 LABS.

Huh? 333 labs in Florida reported 100% positive tests, did not report any negatives. I don't know how many labs in Florida process tests, but there are lots of them

So far I have seen two news reports in counties where they have noticed this problem.

COVID test positivity is not a meaningful statistic because not all negatives are reported - Alachua Chronicle (https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-test-positivity-is-not-a-meaningful-statistic-because-not-all-negatives-are-reported/)

https://www.martin.fl.us/resources/martin-county-works-legislative-delegation-correct-covid-19-data-reporting

[FredJacobs]

It appears that this is a partial report. The number of positive cases is important to know so that they can plan and keep tabs on those infected. There has to be a second chart showing the number of total cases actually tested; without it they can not determine the shape of the curve. It is irresponsible reporting to only show the number of new cases - fear mongering. It is important to know whether the 3,528 cases were out of 10,000 (35%), 30,000 (12%) or 100,000 (3.5%) people tested.

[GoodLife]

It appears that this is a partial report. The number of positive cases is important to know so that they can plan and keep tabs on those infected. There has to be a second chart showing the number of total cases actually tested; without it they can not determine the shape of the curve. It is irresponsible reporting to only show the number of new cases - fear mongering. It is important to know whether the 3,528 cases were out of 10,000 (35%), 30,000 (12%) or 100,000 (3.5%) people tested.

Correct, you can't know the true percentage of positive tests if all negatives are not reported. I don't think this was done intentionally, at least hope not. It appears to be government bureaucracy ineptitude at work. It's not hard to design a system that reports both positive and negative results automatically. Just a few lines of code.

According to Martin County report, negative results must be entered manually.

[dlspiess]

Well I believe the numbers include people who may have passed from another cause but because they tested positive they are included as covid related.

[nn0wheremann]

The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

85202

There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

85203
Testing focused on nursing home populations, residents and care workers. Also, too many stubborn individualists who will not wear masks, keep their distance, and wash their hands.

[oneclickplus]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.

Over 1/2 million dead babies each and every year. That is also a fact. Facts are not political. Where is the outrage there?

Excuse me while I ignore all the hype (and not become outraged over 130,000 dead) and avail myself of my constitutional rights and go to the beach without a mask and make some Vitamin D.

The following are also facts:

Neither President Trump nor any governor or health official nor any other person elected or not have the authority to override or nullify any portion of the US Constitution regardless of any perceived or actual emergency. To wit:

14th amendment to the US Constitution:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Therefore, there is no authority to force anyone to wear a mask or to fine anyone for failing to do so. Read that again, “no state shall make or enforce any law …”

Moderator: nothing but facts stated here. Some people don't like facts. That does not make them political.

[Two Bills]

Starting to think that if you ask 10 scientists you might get 11 answers.

.........and all different!

[Bonnevie]

well, luckily we now have Chuck Woolery to guide us. and yes, that is as sarcastic as I can make it.

[PennBF]

Just a thought on the subject. If you accept there were 15,000 new positive cases of Covid-19 yesterday, and this has historically represented 10% of those tested then there would have been in the neighborhood of 150,000 tested yesterday? Of course these numbers could vary as it is just a sanity test to the numbers being reported. I don't draw any conclusion as I am not sure of the daily testing capacity of the State? You can adjust the the numbers by changing the percent positive against 15,000 as I understand that is the number being reported for one day?:popcorn:

[Yucatan2]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real..not a hoax.

No doubt the virus is real, and very sad there are so many deaths. But if you study the line by line death records that Florida has on the COVID state website, most of the deaths are people in their 70's-90's, and even some 100 year olds.....did they really die of COVID, on ventilators in the hospital, or did they just die of complications that they might have died of anyway at such advanced ages? Did they just die but happen to test positive as well, so get counted as another COVID death?

I did see when looking at the death records today, that in Dade county, where the worst of all virus and deaths are, that out of the last 12 or so deaths, at least half of them were under 40 years old. So perhaps crowded beaches, bars, etc are catching up to the younger group. Palm Beach county is another of the worst ones, but still most of the deaths there are much older people.

[Janlindsey4@gmail.com]

Thank you! These incorrect findings just add to the confusion and fear. Again, thank you for your correction.

[bilcon]

I would make a bet that the business making protective gear are loving the statistics.

"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable."

[PennBF]

I just read that 143,000 were tested on Saturday which would support a 15,229 positive cases as it would be about 9.4% of those tested being positive. Interesting?:ho:

[justjim]

130,000 have died WITH Covid, but how many have died FROM Covid. If you are wondering what constitutes a Covid death:
https://hoiabc.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

When some don’t like the numbers put out by various Government entities, the “conspiracy theories” and rumors always start. To some coronavirus will only be real when (God forbid) they happen to be one of the unlucky ones that catch it. What you can “take to the bank” is that our lives have been drastically changed because of coronavirus and it’s the kind of change we don’t like. Pray for a vaccine that works and gets things back to some kind of normal.

[GoodLife]

I just read that 143,000 were tested on Saturday which would support a 15,229 positive cases as it would be about 9.4% of those tested being positive. Interesting?:ho:

You don't know the actual positive test percentage unless all tests including negatives are reported. I don't know how long this has been going on but until problem is corrected state wide I will look at positive percentage rate with skepticism. The positive test number is probably accurate, but without all negative results reported the positive percentage is probably lower than what's reported.

[Sailohio]

The percent of positive covid 19 tests for florida has been over 10% for last two weeks with a high 18% on July 8 and a low of 11% yesterday, July 11.

85202

There is no doubt we have a lot of new cases here. However, the percent positive rate is an important barometer to judge the trends.

In the last few days people who scour the Florida coronavirus websites have noticed something peculiar.

Yesterday, July 11, 333 Florida labs reported 100% positivity on all their tests, which amounts to 3528 positives reported to the state with zero negatives. Another 31 labs reported 90-99% positive tests for a total of 1767 positives and very few negatives. Thats about 50% of all positives for the day. These results are not plausible when you have a statewide average of 10-15% positivity. These results skew the positive rate upward by several percentage points. Something is wrong with their reporting system if so many labs are not reporting their negative test results.

Hopefully some sharp reporters will get on this and try to find out what is happening.

Partial list:

85203

So my son lives in Riverview, Fl., just outside of Tampa. Last week a TV News show reported the experiences of local hospital nurses. They too had noticed all of the swabs they sent to the labs were coming back positive. They had always had a large percentage of negatives. So they decided to do an experiment. They took two fresh swabs, never used. They made up fictitious patient names and sent them to their lab. They BOTH came back positive. How in the world can that happen? Is this politically motivated? Or is it a reflection of incompetence at the labs. Or is it driven by a crooked money grab by the hospital administrators. I don’t know but I do know not to trust the numbers we hear and read.

Also, we all know there are false positives. Are the false positives taken out of the infection numbers? I would guess not. How about the non-symptomatic positives? Are they subtracted? And if not, what is the percentage of non-symptomatic and false positive results?

I don’t believe a thing I read or hear anymore.

[Ga.dawg]

Yes it is considered a new case , had a friend test positive 3 times , he never had any symptoms, was self quarantined had to go back for retests and he was still counted as 3 positive cases

[BamaBoy451]

So my son lives in Riverview, Fl., just outside of Tampa. Last week a TV News show reported the experiences of local hospital nurses. They too had noticed all of the swabs they sent to the labs were coming back positive. They had always had a large percentage of negatives. So they decided to do an experiment. They took two fresh swabs, never used. They made up fictitious patient names and sent them to their lab. They BOTH came back positive. How in the world can that happen? Is this politically motivated? Or is it a reflection of incompetence at the labs. Or is it driven by a crooked money grab by the hospital administrators. I don’t know but I do know not to trust the numbers we hear and read.

Also, we all know there are false positives. Are the false positives taken out of the infection numbers? I would guess not. How about the non-symptomatic positives? Are they subtracted? And if not, what is the percentage of non-symptomatic and false positive results?

I don’t believe a thing I read or hear anymore.

I recently overheard a man say he and his wife went to test but due to severe weather never got to actually test so they were considering another facility. They get a letter 6 days later they both tested positive and the results were forwarded to dept of health. They consulted with an attorney which was the right thing to do. There is so much fraud involved now.:shocked:

[coffeebean]

Yes it is considered a new case , had a friend test positive 3 times , he never had any symptoms, was self quarantined had to go back for retests and he was still counted as 3 positive cases


That is just wrong!

[jrenschen]

Good eyes and thanks for pointing that out. It does not pass the smell test!

[huange@verizon.net]

I’m waiting until the number of positives cases reported in Florida outnumber Florida’s population.

[Gulfcoast]

I recently overheard a man say he and his wife went to test but due to severe weather never got to actually test so they were considering another facility. They get a letter 6 days later they both tested positive and the results were forwarded to dept of health. They consulted with an attorney which was the right thing to do. There is so much fraud involved now.:shocked:

This is so confusing to me. Do these testing sites get extra money for each positive result they get? Do the labs get extra money for positive results? I'm just wondering who would be benefiting from all of these alleged false positives?

The whole thing is just mind boggling and baffling to me.

[Marykschulz]

It’s sad that our great country has no idea of what to believe about Covid. Some leadership at the top is needed.

[schladb]

where did you get this information

[allsport]

The gov designed this mess and fired the person who was accurately reporting the testing because she would not fudge the numbers, using deductive reasoning the numbers are now far less than what is actually out there. The ME are not permitted to report a covid death on a patient that was not diagnosed while alive. That is insane. All this cheating in the numbers game and we are still the worst state in the union.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, but are we not talking about the daily positive cases? Today Florida 15,300 positive cases according to Worldometer. This is how many people tested positive for Covid today. They may have tested positive yesterday too but why would they go again to be tested today? Maybe they didn’t believe the first test?
There is a lot of wheel-spinning going on here about fairly insignificant details. Are we taking a statistics class? What about the old saying about the " forest for the trees"? I am hard put to find value here? I guess it is STILL a free world, just not my "cup of tea"?

[jimjamuser]

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from DeSantis. He wasn't counting non-residents, visitors, snow birds and many COVID 19 patients were categorized as pneumonia deaths which increased by 500% over 2019. He's more worried about pleasing Trump than taking care of Florida citizens. His data professional came forward to call out the mistakes and was then fired.
Yes, absolutely true.

[jimjamuser]

Over 1/2 million dead babies each and every year. That is also a fact. Facts are not political. Where is the outrage there?

Excuse me while I ignore all the hype (and not become outraged over 130,000 dead) and avail myself of my constitutional rights and go to the beach without a mask and make some Vitamin D.

The following are also facts:

Neither President Trump nor any governor or health official nor any other person elected or not have the authority to override or nullify any portion of the US Constitution regardless of any perceived or actual emergency. To wit:

14th amendment to the US Constitution:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Therefore, there is no authority to force anyone to wear a mask or to fine anyone for failing to do so. Read that again, “no state shall make or enforce any law …”

Moderator: nothing but facts stated here. Some people don't like facts. That does not make them political.
So in the Villages, there should be zero speed bumps and we MUST rip out our seat belts.

[ItsALLaboutTheLOVE]

Okay. Does it matter what the numbers are? It's a lot! Florida does not want to become the next New York, do they?

I think the point is if you wear a mask and you say six feet away from people, there will be a good chance that all these numbers will go down down down down....

For me that does not seem like much to ask. So I do it if I'm out around people. Too easy.

[sloanst]

Someone is lying. There is no way to have 100% positive.

[btichey]

Here is a fact....130,000 dead. That's something that should open everyone's eyes. The virus is real and not a hoax.
Trying to minimize the problem by playing with numbers is not helpful when more than 134, 000 people have died. This needs to be brought under control by following the CDC guidelines.

[lee60car]

This morning a friend said a couple here in TV went for testing, signed in, but got tired of waiting and left. However, they got a report that said they passed!

[TomPerrett]

We got covid here in a big way and there is no way anyone can rationalize that fact.
Quit denying it and get about the business of dealing with it.

[GoodLife]

Okay. Does it matter what the numbers are? It's a lot! Florida does not want to become the next New York, do they?

I think the point is if you wear a mask and you say six feet away from people, there will be a good chance that all these numbers will go down down down down....

For me that does not seem like much to ask. So I do it if I'm out around people. Too easy.

Yes it matters, I have seen many people on this forum say that they look at the percent positive rate of testing as most important. If the percent positive number goes down this is good. If it goes up it is bad. Since the state has this problem of a huge number of labs not reporting negative tests, we don't know what the actual rate is.

[JoMar]

Yes it matters, I have seen many people on this forum say that they look at the percent positive rate of testing as most important. If the percent positive number goes down this is good. If it goes up it is bad. Since the state has this problem of a huge number of labs not reporting negative tests, we don't know what the actual rate is.

Until they put out a number that supports the beliefs of those that still believe it's all an overblown thing. 133 deaths a day doesn't require a lab.

[GoodLife]

Until they put out a number that supports the beliefs of those that still believe it's all an overblown thing. 133 deaths a day doesn't require a lab.

132 people did not die of covid in Florida today. Don't fall for media panic porn. Just like 120 people didn't die on July 9. 80% of those deaths came from earlier dates, mostly in June.

132 death certificates came in today. The Florida dashboard keeps an actual deaths by date chart. They haven't posted the actual deaths yet for today, but when they do I can guarantee you they didn't all happen today.

[bobthegolfer]

I read this article this morning. It's on FOX 35 Investigates by Robert Guanderrama

Very interesting. I'm not talented enough to post this, but It's easily found. A real eye opener!

[GoodLife]

I read this article this morning. It's on FOX 35 Investigates by Robert Guanderrama

Very interesting. I'm not talented enough to post this, but It's easily found. A real eye opener!

You probably mean this one.

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results)

[EdFNJ]

132 people did not die of covid in Florida today. Don't fall for media panic porn. Just like 120 people didn't die on July 9. 80% of those deaths came from earlier dates, mostly in June.

132 death certificates came in today. The Florida dashboard keeps an actual deaths by date chart. They haven't posted the actual deaths yet for today, but when they do I can guarantee you they didn't all happen today.


I don't get it. Why does it matter what DAY they died? The numbers add up to the same total whether it's 60+60+12 or 132. If 3 days are released by the state (or whoever) together instead of separately it's still the same number of dead people. What is gained by this absurd obsession? It doesn't make them liars just slow statistic reporters. Does it make that any better? They are so busy finding where to put them they don't have enough time to worry about how they are counted. Fortunately we are lucky here as our county is very low overall. Heaven help those folks down in South FL. The Village of Lemmings south of 44 will be sold out soon.

[GoodLife]

I don't get it. Why does it matter what DAY they died? The numbers add up to the same total whether it's 60+60+12 or 132. If 3 days are released by the state (or whoever) together instead of separately it's still the same number of dead people. What is gained by this absurd obsession? It doesn't make them liars just slow statistic reporters. Does it make that any better? They are so busy finding where to put them they don't have enough time to worry about how they are counted. Fortunately we are lucky here as our county is very low overall. Heaven help those folks down in South FL. The Village of Lemmings south of 44 will be sold out soon.

It matters to see actual trends. I am not obsessed with it, the media keeps putting out scare stories that make it look like reported deaths actually happened on one day. The Florida State Dashboard actually shows the deaths in their chart by actual date of death which is the correct way. Remember the previous media report of 120 deaths, Florida's most deadly day? Now take a look at the dashboard graph. There are not 120 deaths in their chart for July 9.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

[Licismom]

There's a reason the Governor is NOT allowing hospital rates to be shared. Think about it!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This morning a friend said a couple here in TV went for testing, signed in, but got tired of waiting and left. However, they got a report that said they passed!

Then someone is lying.

The report can't be generated without collecting information from the patient. Signing in doesn't provide any information other than a name.

[EdFNJ]

then someone is lying.

The report can't be generated without collecting information from the patient. Signing in doesn't provide any information other than a name.


shocked !!! (not)

[chet2020]

It matters to see actual trends. I am not obsessed with it, the media keeps putting out scare stories that make it look like reported deaths actually happened on one day. The Florida State Dashboard actually shows the deaths in their chart by actual date of death which is the correct way. Remember the previous media report of 120 deaths, Florida's most deadly day? Now take a look at the dashboard graph. There are not 120 deaths in their chart for July 9.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

You're looking for trends, why not post trends? 7-day moving average daily COVID-19 deaths Florida. July 08 represents average daily deaths over July 08 and the previous 7 days, and so on.

Jul 08 48
Jul 09 56
Jul 10 59
Jul 11 71
Jul 12 72
Jul 13 72
Jul 14 81
Jul 15 90

[WhiteToast]

Every day there are newly emerging global medical studies of Covid patients that are showing long lasting residual brain damage, Psychosis, heart damage; and significant lung abnormalities (even in asymptomatic cases). This is a nasty virus. It’s foolish to downplay it.

[Bay Kid]

You think this reporting is bad wait until elections this year.