EXPLOSIVE new video in Floyd arrest

[John41]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

[Stu from NYC]

Wow imagine if what the news media showed to us was actually not accurate.

[seoulbrooks]

Wow imagine if what the news media showed to us was actually not accurate.

No way! The media could never do that!

[anothersteve]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

Could you post a link where it says "Judge refuses to release to public video "exonerating" police officers in Floyd arrest."
Nothing I'm reading states that. From what I'm reading the new body cam footage is not very "explosive" at all. And whatever it shows it should be left up to the jury to see and decide, it would serve no purpose one way or another at this time to make it public

Steve

[Stu from NYC]

Could you post a link where it says "Judge refuses to release to public video "exonerating" police officers in Floyd arrest."
Nothing I'm reading states that. From what I'm reading the new body cam footage is not very "explosive" at all. And whatever it shows it should be left up to the jury to see and decide, it would serve no purpose one way or another at this time to make it public

Steve

It would serve to taint the jury pool

[retiredguy123]

Could you post a link where it says "Judge refuses to release to public video "exonerating" police officers in Floyd arrest."
Nothing I'm reading states that. From what I'm reading the new body cam footage is not very "explosive" at all. And whatever it shows it should be left up to the jury to see and decide, it would serve no purpose one way or another at this time to make it public

Steve
So, release some videos of the incident, but not all of them? I think all videos should have been released as soon as they were available. This is not a "new" video, as stated in the OP.

[mtdjed]

I fear that this thread has been started from rumor and not fact.

[anothersteve]

So, release some videos of the incident, but not all of them? I think all videos should have been released as soon as they were available. This is not a "new" video, as stated in the OP.

Where is the link that says, according to the OP, from the judge, the video would "exonerate" the officers?
That I have a problem with.


Steve

[retiredguy123]

Where is the link that says, according to the OP, from the judge, the video would "exonerate" the officers?
That I have a problem with.


Steve
So do I.

[Mrprez]

Floyd and the cop who killed him had a prior relationship. Is that being investigated or swept under the rug?

[EileenK]

What is wrong with you people!! You believe “evidence” that has not been seen over what we all have seen. If someone was kneeling on my neck, I’d be ‘actively resisting and acting erratic’ to get out from under my attacker’s grip. There are right and wrong ways to hold a suspect and not one includes kneeling on their neck and throat.

[stadry]

It would serve to taint the jury pool

remember ed koch said there is no hiding from the court of public opinion,,, don't you ?

what do you think has already happened ? seat a fair & impartial jury ? does anyone really think that's possible now ? we're all been tainted by reading & discussing

idiotic ruling by judge if true

[UseYourBrain]

I don’t care how much he was resisting you don’t kneel on someone’s neck for almost 9 minutes when they are handcuffed and on the ground face down. The officer had his hands in his pockets further demonstrating he did not think things were out of control. He also had many people telling him he was being inhumane while being videoed and the man was telling him he couldn’t breathe.

[Cheapbas]

The Hill is reporting an explosive new video, but the explosive new video is a video claiming that there is an explosive new video, they don’t actually show it.

Given what this triggered, I am fine with leaving this with the local stakeholders to sort out.

[djwill27]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

The police had Floyd controlled and murdered him. Whatever he did prior doesn’t matter at that point. The cop with his knee on Floyd’s neck is guilty period.

And to all the media conspiracy theorists, how can the media report a story the judge hasn’t released? It is strange how many people will believe BS and deny the truth from reliable sources. This entire story may be false, I haven’t heard it anywhere else.

[Heyitsrick]

And to all the media conspiracy theorists, how can the media report a story the judge hasn’t released? It is strange how many people will believe BS and deny the truth from reliable sources. This entire story may be false, I haven’t heard it anywhere else.

You must mean examples like publishers secretly getting books to reporters when the same books are under legal review as to whether they can be legally released, right? Oh wait, that's never happened recently. Obviously the media couldn't report a story about the contents of a book that hasn't been legally released, right? Come on...

If there are other videos that exist that show events prior to the the ones we've already seen, they provide context, if nothing else. No, I didn't say exoneration. Not even close. I said context.

Of course, if people just want to think that this all happened in a vacuum with a cop who just wanted to murder someone, well, that's up to them. I'd like to know the events as they occurred. And police organizations around the country would likely benefit from having access to those, just to train what not to do in each of the initial phases of the process of dealing with someone who was going to be arrested.

[paquino]

I wonder if I would “actively resist “ if someone were kneeling on my neck!

[djwill27]

I think you did say exoneration, do you read your posts?

[Tom2172]

Floyd was media race hoax
Floyd died of Fentanyl overdose
It was one sided propaganda brainwashing
No information disputing the hoax is allowed
No witness statements Allowed
Just you must believe because fakenews demands it
No thinking no free will no free speech

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The police had Floyd controlled and murdered him. Whatever he did prior doesn’t matter at that point. The cop with his knee on Floyd’s neck is guilty period.

And to all the media conspiracy theorists, how can the media report a story the judge hasn’t released? It is strange how many people will believe BS and deny the truth from reliable sources. This entire story may be false, I haven’t heard it anywhere else.

I would agree with most of this except for a few details. The use of the words "the police" as if the entire police force of Minneapolis or all of the police forces in the United States are somehow complicit in what happened is a problem.

Wording like this is what is causing much of the problem that we are currently experiencing.

The fact is that this one officer who had a previous relationship with the deceased. It did not involve and systemic problem within a police department.

I also take issue with the term "murdered". Murder is a very specific term. In order to convict Officer Chauvin of murder it would have to be proven that he intentionally killed Floyd and did it with premeditation. He would have had to have gone out that day with the idea that he was going to find George Floyd and kill him.

Words are very powerful. We should be very careful how we use them.

The other issue that I have with a lot of the reporting and commentating about this is that there is not one single shred of evidence that this killing was racially motivated.

What created all of the protests and riots is a few people claiming that this was "another" racially motivated killing of a black man by "the police".

In fact, very few people, black, white or any color are killed by police. The vast majority of those that are, are justifiable killings.

Are there racists in police departments throughout the country? Of course there are and they should be weeded out. Are there bad cops? Yes! Just as there are bad lawyers, bad accountants and bad store managers.They also need to be weeded out.

The problem that we are currently experiencing is that a few race baiters in this country want to make this seem like it's a bigger problem than it is. They are trying to justify their existence by creating a bogie man to fight against.

All of this is much more about politics and power than it is about one bad cop unjustifiably killing a criminal.

It doesn't appear that George Floyd should have been killed and Derek Chauvin will be brought to justice. But blaming the millions of great, heroic police officers over this country for the actions of one person is absurd.

[Heyitsrick]

I think you did say exoneration, do you read your posts?

You didn't quote the person you're responding to. Who said exoneration? The original poster of this topic did, but he/she hasn't added any other posts in this thread.

[Coal Miner]

People please quit buying into these conspiracy theories.

[Girlcopper]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.
Old old news. That video was released a long time ago and was all over social mediA

[2mnydogs]

No way! The media could never do that!

I rarely believe much of what the media publishes. After all, they are in the sales business, they sell their own agenda.

[Dana1963]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.
Wealth of misinformation!
The Judge and I quote “ The court finds that continuing pretrial publicity in this case by the attorneys involved will increase the risk of tainting a potential jury pool and will impair all parties' right to a fair trial," wrote judge

[George Page]

A confrontation between two idiots, forget their race and occupations, results in similar tragedies on a regular basis. Move on.

[Mardarlowe]

The media is always correct. Get on board.

[ficoguy]

You think the officer will get a fair trial?

[Martian]

"I also take issue with the term "murdered". Murder is a very specific term. In order to convict Officer Chauvin of murder, it would have to be proven that he intentionally killed Floyd and did it with premeditation. He would have had to have gone out that day with the idea that he was going to find George Floyd and kill him. "

Well, almost - the word murder does mean "premeditated killing". On the other hand legal murder does not require premeditation - more often called homicide. There are many forms of legal "murder", premeditated is just one of those forms. A murder can take place on the spur of the moment in an emotional context.

Murder (United States law - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law))

First-degree murder

Any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Felony murder

A charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime, is typically first-degree.

Second-degree murder

Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Voluntary manslaughter

Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime.

Involuntary manslaughter

A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about death.

At the very least, barring more evidence to the contrary, the officer was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

It seems we have evolved into a very judgmental society - every single thing that happens must be neatly forced into our own vision of reality.

#sad.

"Can't we all just get along"...

[Bay Kid]

So, release some videos of the incident, but not all of them? I think all videos should have been released as soon as they were available. This is not a "new" video, as stated in the OP.

Almost 2 months of pure hell for our country. They only reported videos that caused riots, not the real truth. Resisting arrest. Working for years with the cop. High on drugs. Cleaning counterfeit money.

[djwill27]

If there are other videos that exist that show events prior to the the ones we've already seen, they provide context, if nothing else. No, I didn't say exoneration. Not even close. I said context.

Of course, if people just want to think that this all happened in a vacuum with a cop who just wanted to murder someone, well, that's up to them. I'd like to know the events as they occurred. And police organizations around the country would likely benefit from having access to those, just to train what not to do in each of the initial phases of the process of dealing with someone who was going to be arrested.

I’m saying there is no context, once Floyd was under arrest and in handcuffs the police have no excuse for murdering him. He put his knee on his neck and killed him. At the very least he didn’t care if he died. There were other cops there and they didn’t stop him so they are guilty too. This happens all over the country where people are abused, lied to, and sometimes killed by the police.

Most of the time these abuses don’t make the news. Still, this is a huge problem. Most police departments have these officers in their ranks and something needs to be done to stop it. Trying to figure out context, whether he had drugs in his system, if he had a heart attack doesn’t matter. Those things are all defending systemic racism and abuse of our fellow human beings.

Fixing the problem will help all police departments, the thin blue line is a cover up and a threat to good cops not to speak out.

[LorrieR]

The cop still killed him.

[chrisad50]

It would serve to taint the jury pool

I guess when the media only released a segment of the video, it DIDN'T taint the jury pool??

[greenflash245]

doesn't matter, he was still murdered

[hrdcorpsmarine]

And you know this how? Are you a former police officer?

[JoeinFL]

What is wrong with you people!! You believe “evidence” that has not been seen over what we all have seen. If someone was kneeling on my neck, I’d be ‘actively resisting and acting erratic’ to get out from under my attacker’s grip. There are right and wrong ways to hold a suspect and not one includes kneeling on their neck and throat.

Agreed. I heard that he was resisting in the car. But, they had him completely under control and his knee was on Floyds neck rocking back and forth.

[quietpine]

Can you imagine being tried by the racist mob that dominates almost any conversation on this site? Put away your robes folks. The constitution gives everyone the right to trial by a jury of their peers. It even protects people like you!

[ffresh]

People please quit buying into these conspiracy theories.

We will, IF you promise to quit using a weaponized term that was invented by the CIA, in response to the JFK assassination, to quash opposition to the government narrative on what occurred! Now where did I put my tin hat :icon_wink:

Fred

[loweglor]

"I also take issue with the term "murdered". Murder is a very specific term. In order to convict Officer Chauvin of murder, it would have to be proven that he intentionally killed Floyd and did it with premeditation. He would have had to have gone out that day with the idea that he was going to find George Floyd and kill him. "

Well, almost - the word murder does mean "premeditated killing". On the other hand legal murder does not require premeditation - more often called homicide. There are many forms of legal "murder", premeditated is just one of those forms. A murder can take place on the spur of the moment in an emotional context.

Murder (United States law - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law))

First-degree murder

Any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Felony murder

A charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime, is typically first-degree.

Second-degree murder

Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Voluntary manslaughter

Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime.

Involuntary manslaughter

A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about death.

At the very least, barring more evidence to the contrary, the officer was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

It seems we have evolved into a very judgmental society - every single thing that happens must be neatly forced into our own vision of reality.

#sad.

"Can't we all just get along"...
Police get special training to handle all kinds of situations. People look to them for safety, protection and skill. People also expect police to be honest, trustworthy, understanding and in control. Do people understand that police are human too. Absolutely, however, people still expect police to possess the ability to know when a situation turns bad and expect the police to mitigate it not aggravate it. In this situation, none of the police did their job and a man died. Instead of trying to defend their actions, they should be upset about the result and admit they were wrong. Unfortunately, it seems, these particular officers could care less that a man died for no reason other than complete loss of control and human consideration. Very un-police like.

[PaulaW]

The video they showed on TV was more than enough proof he was murdered. How could anyone possibly believe otherwise.

[BlackhawksFan]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

In correct and inaccurate. Do better.

There's 6 week old stories all over the place about this security video rom China Wok restaurant showing his compliance.


George Floyd didn’t Resist Arrest |NEW SURVEILLANCE VID SHOWS MOMENTS BEFORE KILLING - YouTube (https://youtu.be/3Q1C5lIlLw4)

[Fl3232mi340]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

Disgusting - We had heard all about Floyd's actions before he was killed, of course they don't want that shown, it will acquit the officers or would bring a lesser charge.
This is not the America we all know and love!

[Martian]

Police get special training to handle all kinds of situations. People look to them for safety, protection and skill. People also expect police to be honest, trustworthy, understanding and in control. Do people understand that police are human too. Absolutely, however, people still expect police to possess the ability to know when a situation turns bad and expect the police to mitigate it not aggravate it. In this situation, none of the police did their job and a man died. Instead of trying to defend their actions, they should be upset about the result and admit they were wrong. Unfortunately, it seems, these particular officers could care less that a man died for no reason other than complete loss of control and human consideration. Very un-police like.

I agree, being licensed to kill comes with a grave responsibility to handle that license responsibly.

There will always be bad Apples, but as with Apples, the best thing to do is to separate them from the good Apples before they all go bad.

[ffresh]

You think the officer will get a fair trial?

Unfortunately, in our modern world, you only get your day in court. With a dearth of impartial judges and jury pools comprised of people who would be lucky to compose a cogent thought, a "fair trial" is often as elusive as a pink unicorn. And, in this situation, the MSM has him already convicted; the only thing left is the drawing and quartering.

All one need do is review the many comments on the subject on TOTV, without the TOTAL evidence, he's already convicted … frightening! I guess we no longer require a "jury of our peers". We are now so advanced, as a civilization, that we can "try and convict" on the basis of the MSM coverage alone. And let nothing (including additional facts) get in our way. :ohdear:

Fred

[Indydealmaker]

What is wrong with you people!! You believe “evidence” that has not been seen over what we all have seen. If someone was kneeling on my neck, I’d be ‘actively resisting and acting erratic’ to get out from under my attacker’s grip. There are right and wrong ways to hold a suspect and not one includes kneeling on their neck and throat.

Actually, the restraint moves used against this guy were in use by police all across the country with no mortalities and have never to this day killed anyone white, black or purple. The jury will be shocked when the non-political evidence is presented.

[Marvic 1]

The only thing that this “EXPLOSIVE new video“ would prove to those still in mourning is that this counterfeiter-druggie Floyd did not deserve a horse driven Presidential Funeral Procession that he got…. :ho:

[jklfairwin]

If it hasn't been released, where did you see it?

[ffresh]

Almost 2 months of pure hell for our country. They only reported videos that caused riots, not the real truth. Resisting arrest. Working for years with the cop. High on drugs. Cleaning counterfeit money.

agenda-driven "news" coverage - that's all we get from MSM :ohdear:

Fred

[cherylncliff]

Once he was cuffed and restrained there was no reason to kneel on his neck and back, certainly not for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. What these officers did is inexcusable.

[Taltarzac725]

Dog whistle like pandering to the worst in people.

What happened to George Floyd was criminal in nature.

Does not matter what color your skin is. That should be quite obvious.

[jlstree]

I saw a video that shows him resisting arrest. The man was high on drugs and about to drive away in his SUV. If the police wouldn't have stopped him and arrest him and he hurt or killed someone, they'd be hell to pay for them. All of these police deaths came from the result of the criminal fighting the police, if obeying the police would have happened, they would all be alive today. This is a sad reply from me and not something I like seeing, I wish all people would obey LEO's.

[karostay]

No different than Daily Sun
They print only events and happenings just how they want you perceive life in the Villages
Not how it actually is in real life

[roscoguy]

Floyd was media race hoax
Floyd died of Fentanyl overdose
It was one sided propaganda brainwashing
No information disputing the hoax is allowed
No witness statements Allowed
Just you must believe because fakenews demands it
No thinking no free will no free speech

Please be sure to rush all the evidence you have to support this deduction to the appropriate authorities! :ohdear:

[TooColdNJ]

Almost 2 months of pure hell for our country. They only reported videos that caused riots, not the real truth. Resisting arrest. Working for years with the cop. High on drugs. Cleaning counterfeit money.

All that is very true, but at that moment, the cop’s life wasn’t threatened, and resisting arrest (for) passing a counterfeit bill wasn’t a reason for Floyd to be killed. Was he irrational and on drugs at the time of arrest? Even if so, there may have been a way to restrain him other than sitting on his throat, not die. Whether he was on drugs or not.

YES, if people learned to not resist arrest, just maybe these things wouldn't happen. I don’t think that will ever be the case. I think they’re fearful of abuse, rough handling... that they’ve seen by cops that do abuse their power, as a result of racism or for whatever the reason. When someone is fearful, the first reaction is to flee. .

[Byte1]

What is wrong with you people!! You believe “evidence” that has not been seen over what we all have seen. If someone was kneeling on my neck, I’d be ‘actively resisting and acting erratic’ to get out from under my attacker’s grip. There are right and wrong ways to hold a suspect and not one includes kneeling on their neck and throat.

Actually, kneeling on a subject arrested to get them under control is not uncommon. And from what has been released to the public (which I do not think they should until after trial) the autopsy did not indicate that the kneeling caused the loss of life.
I doubt the COPs that normally do a hard job of policing the city will get a fair trial since all this media has put the public opinion against them, just based on what the media has provided us.
The fact is that Floyd was a scumbag criminal, convicted of many crimes. Did he deserve to die? I am not GOD so I do not know. Do I care about him? NO, I do not. I do worry that the four COPs will not get a fair trial. I do not know if this was racially motivated or just a bad mistake in handling a suspect. I do not feel it was racially motivated, in my opinion based on the fact that two of the COPs were minority. Just saying. He resisted arrest and he died. I bet if he did not resist, he would still be alive. Just another of my opinions. His record showed that he was NOT a good person. It makes one wonder why he was given a presidential style funeral when a decent law abiding black man that served his community all his life, died at the hands of a rioter/looter shortly after was hardly given any recognition. Perhaps because he was a retired COP?

[Jacob85]

We saw a film. No matter what happened before the cop was in total control and kept his knee on Floyds neck for 8 minutes. He killed him. That was not self defense!

[djwill27]

Actually, the restraint moves used against this guy were in use by police all across the country with no mortalities and have never to this day killed anyone white, black or purple. The jury will be shocked when the non-political evidence is presented.

I wonder where you get your information about that being a valid restraint for a handcuffed man. Most police chiefs I’ve seen speaking about the death of Mr. Floyd have said it’s not an approved method taught anywhere. The police should not have to choke a man to death who’s handcuffed to control him. I’ve seen nothing that justifies those actions. I’m not interested in what happened before they tried to put him the police car as background. The only part that counts for me is what happened on the ground outside the police car. It doesn’t matter why he was arrested, what crimes he committed, what his drug use history was, or any underlying health problems. I am only interested in what justification the police may have had for choking him to death and so far I haven’t seen any.

[OhioBuckeye]

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

John41 this is old news! The judge refuses to act on it because he's so afraid some radical black person will burn his house down. Just make sure you vote this Nov.

[Bay Kid]

All that is very true, but at that moment, the cop’s life wasn’t threatened, and resisting arrest (for) passing a counterfeit bill wasn’t a reason for Floyd to be killed. Was he irrational and on drugs at the time of arrest? Even if so, there may have been a way to restrain him other than sitting on his throat, not die. Whether he was on drugs or not.

YES, if people learned to not resist arrest, just maybe these things wouldn't happen. I don’t think that will ever be the case. I think they’re fearful of abuse, rough handling... that they’ve seen by cops that do abuse their power, as a result of racism or for whatever the reason. When someone is fearful, the first reaction is to flee. .

Let us not forget that Floyd worked with this police officer as a bar bouncer, the same bar, for years. They had history that the media neglected to disclose.

[bpascani]

This is exactly what I have been questioning since say one. Does it make his actions (that we were allowed to see) justifiable? I think definitely not, BUT, sounds like we haven't seen or heard the full story, and there is NO WAY that ANY jury candidate hasn't seen everything we have seen. AGAIN, the officers continued actions were (and still are) unnecessary, and unacceptable, BUT this does not apply to the other 3 officers who were new, in training, and under the command of their senior officer.

[theruizs]

This is mostly fake news. Besides, it still does not warrant a slow torturous death sentence without judge or jury.

[graciegirl]

This is mostly fake news. Besides, it still does not warrant a slow torturous death sentence without judge or jury.

No. You are right.

But I sit here thinking that I have never been arrested and put in jail...ever. And you probably have not either. I am thinking that your life has been made up of many choices and many times you have acted or not acted or performed diligent work when it was not fun and not easy or not interesting. You and I have somehow failed to do things that broke the law.

And I say this. If George Floyd would have done and not done things similarly to what we have done and not done, he would be alive. If your lifestyle puts you in a position where you are drunk, have a record and are resisting arrest, you do not deserve to die assuredly, but you are living dangerously and causing others to react to restrain you.

Sister said...do not put yourself in "near occasion of sin".

Your mother said. "If everybody else jumped off a cliff, would you do it too???"

Your dad said. "I told you to stay out of their yard and it may be just one apple, but it is not yours."

The clerk at that store said; "He was in here earlier with two other guys who used a counterfeit bill and we gave it back to them and then this guy comes in later and uses a counterfeit twenty to try to buy cigarettes and we called the police".

His record said that he had broken into a home and held a gun at the belly of a pregnant woman and together with others stole from her.

I have never done that. But I have been young and in a situation that I needed money to live. So I worked at first at menial jobs. In the forties or fifties you turned 18 and you were expected to work because your folks didn't have money for you to go to college. Many of us climbed the ladder without stealing and ending up under the knee of a police officer.

[Bay Kid]

This is mostly fake news. Besides, it still does not warrant a slow torturous death sentence without judge or jury.

Not fake news. Floyd's death is totally not justified but there is more to this.

[theruizs]

No. You are right.

But I sit here thinking that I have never been arrested and put in jail...ever. And you probably have not either. I am thinking that your life has been made up of many choices and many times you have acted or not acted or performed diligent work when it was not fun and not easy or not interesting. You and I have somehow failed to do things that broke the law.

And I say this. If George Floyd would have done and not done things similarly to what we have done and not done, he would be alive. If your lifestyle puts you in a position where you are drunk, have a record and are resisting arrest, you do not deserve to die assuredly, but you are living dangerously and causing others to react to restrain you.

Sister said...do not put yourself in "near occasion of sin".

Your mother said. "If everybody else jumped off a cliff, would you do it too???"

Your dad said. "I told you to stay out of their yard and it may be just one apple, but it is not yours."

The clerk at that store said; "He was in here earlier with two other guys who used a counterfeit bill and we gave it back to them and then this guy comes in later and uses a counterfeit twenty to try to buy cigarettes and we called the police".

His record said that he had broken into a home and held a gun at the belly of a pregnant woman and together with others stole from her.

I have never done that. But I have been young and in a situation that I needed money to live. So I worked at first at menial jobs. In the forties or fifties you turned 18 and you were expected to work because your folks didn't have money for you to go to college. Many of us climbed the ladder without stealing and ending up under the knee of a police officer.

You have not walked in his shoes. You and I had opportunities that were never available to him. I am not saying he could not have made better choices or that he is guilt free. But none of that really has anything to do with why he died. Our police cannot become judge, jury, and executioner. There was no reason he had to die there, and those officers had to now have a life on their hands and go through what they and their families are going through.

[Marvic 1]

You have not walked in his shoes. You and I had opportunities that were never available to him.

And how do you know that beside it being a BS talking point?
I was born and raised in the South Bronx of New York City, and here I am living in the SAME PLACE you are!!
Why:
Good Parents, Stayed in School, Served my Country, Good Caring Partner, Respected Others and Hard Work is what got me here!

[theruizs]

And how do you know that beside it being a BS talking point?
I was born and raised in the South Bronx of New York City, and here I am living in the SAME PLACE you are!!
Why:
Good Parents, Stayed in School, Served my Country, Good Caring Partner, Respected Others and Hard Work is what got me here!

Well, I was not talking to you if you noticed. But, yeah, the same goes. You have not walked in his shoes, and I would still bet money you had opportunities he did not. But I’ll give you that argument as the rest of mine still holds. Police should NOT be executing people on the spot. No one has shown any reason yet as to why he had to die except the careless act of the officers involved. FYI, you have no idea what I went through to be here either and I will still defend the concept of innocent until proven guilty, the right to a fair trial, etc. If we throw that out of the window what have we become? Judge Dredd?

[ffresh]

Not fake news. Floyd's death is totally not justified but there is more to this.

Correct and it remains for a jury to sort it out. Hopefully, the jury will be comprised of rational individuals who place emotions aside and act solely on the facts presented - we all are owed this bit of jurisprudence from the criminal justice system. :pray:

Fred

[Japrile]

But rushing to judgement to destroy cops lives was ok? This needs to be settled ASAP!

[Mikenbats66]

Cop had his knee on his neck to affect the arrest
How can you know his intent was to kill the man ?
You don't
Fake news