New York Times and Orthodoxy of Acceptable Thought …

[TexaninVA]

The New York Times is not only woke, it’s super woke.

See this article for details, and Bari Weiss’s resignation letter in particular.

Bari Weiss’ Resignation Letter Was a Service to Press Freedom | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com (https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/07/16/bari-weiss-resignation-letter-was-a-service-to-press-freedom/)

Many on this board often poo-poo the overt bias in the legacy media. Weiss’s comments pop that balloon. This comment, in particular, nails it:

“Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.”


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[Stu from NYC]

I read her resignation letter yesterday and from everything I have read and seen from the NY Times it has become a shell of what it used to be.

Sad the owners and management has let this happen to the newspaper of record.

[John41]

I used to respect the NYT journalists but now they are just spin doctors.

[Stu from NYC]

I used to respect the NYT journalists but now they are just spin doctors.

Sad that it has fallen so far.

[Bay Kid]

Seems to be one sided news nowadays.

[davem4616]

Seems to be one sided news nowadays.


exactly.... we've actually stopped watching the news on television

If it wasn't for the movies we watch on occasion via Amazon Prime, or the DVD's we pop in, we wouldn't turn the set on

I have a weather app on my smartphone, so we get the weather....there are very few sports being televised, I can see my stock portfolio online

we still have the Daily Sun delivered, basically because my wife likes to do the crossword puzzle....all "the news" in that paper I've pretty much been made aware of the day before online

I felt that I could 'trust' the news back in the day when it was Huntley/Brinkley and Walter Cronkite....no longer

today every journalist wants to be the next Woodward and Burnstein ....(or whatever their names were)

[Stu from NYC]

exactly.... we've actually stopped watching the news on television

If it wasn't for the movies we watch on occasion via Amazon Prime, or the DVD's we pop in, we wouldn't turn the set on

I have a weather app on my smartphone, so we get the weather....there are very few sports being televised, I can see my stock portfolio online

we still have the Daily Sun delivered, basically because my wife likes to do the crossword puzzle....all "the news" in that paper I've pretty much been made aware of the day before online

I felt that I could 'trust' the news back in the day when it was Huntley/Brinkley and Walter Cronkite....no longer

today every journalist wants to be the next Woodward and Burnstein ....(or whatever their names were)

Do they still have news on TV? Who knew?

[manaboutown]

The NYT is just a propaganda organ anymore.

[Bucco]

The NYT is just a propaganda organ anymore.

Just for balance here......the link below takes you to an article written AUGUST OF 2017 when this lady was hired......

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

And this is a link to site that authored the article.....

The Intercept - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept)

These are selections from the article.....

"CONTROVERSY ERUPTED on April 14 over the New York Times’s hiring of neoconservative climate-skeptic and anti-Arab polemicist Bret Stephens as the paper’s newest Op-Ed page columnist, hired away from the Wall Street Journal’s right-wing op-ed page. But just two days after it unveiled him, the paper’s op-ed page, with much less fanfare, announced that it had also hired a carbon copy of Stephens named Bari Weiss, also from the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, to “write and commissi

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Exactly as she was doing a decade ago as a “pro-Israel” activist at Columbia and thereafter at various neocon media perches, her formula is as simple as it is predictable: She channels whatever prevailing right-wing grievance exists about colleges, Arabs or Israel critics (ideally, all of those) into a column that’s supposed to be “provocative”on the kinds of quick-off-the-news pieces” that will “amplify the section’s already important voice in the national conversation.”

"In her short tenure, Weiss (pictured, right) has given the paper exactly what it apparently wanted when it hired her. She has churned out a series of trite, shallow, cheap attacks on already-marginalized left-wing targets that have made her a heroine in the insular neocon and right-wing intelligentsia precincts in which she, Stephens, and so many other NYT op-ed writers reside."

Thus it is no surprise that she is honored on this forum as a hero.

[Aces4]

Just for balance here......the link below takes you to an article written AUGUST OF 2017 when this lady was hired......

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

And this is a link to site that authored the article.....

The Intercept - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept)

These are selections from the article.....

"CONTROVERSY ERUPTED on April 14 over the New York Times’s hiring of neoconservative climate-skeptic and anti-Arab polemicist Bret Stephens as the paper’s newest Op-Ed page columnist, hired away from the Wall Street Journal’s right-wing op-ed page. But just two days after it unveiled him, the paper’s op-ed page, with much less fanfare, announced that it had also hired a carbon copy of Stephens named Bari Weiss, also from the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, to “write and commissi

"
Exactly as she was doing a decade ago as a “pro-Israel” activist at Columbia and thereafter at various neocon media perches, her formula is as simple as it is predictable: She channels whatever prevailing right-wing grievance exists about colleges, Arabs or Israel critics (ideally, all of those) into a column that’s supposed to be “provocative”on the kinds of quick-off-the-news pieces” that will “amplify the section’s already important voice in the national conversation.”

"In her short tenure, Weiss (pictured, right) has given the paper exactly what it apparently wanted when it hired her. She has churned out a series of trite, shallow, cheap attacks on already-marginalized left-wing targets that have made her a heroine in the insular neocon and right-wing intelligentsia precincts in which she, Stephens, and so many other NYT op-ed writers reside."

Thus it is no surprise that she is honored on this forum as a hero.


And one must also consider that source....

[manaboutown]

And one must also consider that source....

Like the NYT, Wikipedia is notoriously biased. They scrubbed what they had on a certain woman recently...

[Stu from NYC]

Just for balance here......the link below takes you to an article written AUGUST OF 2017 when this lady was hired......

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

And this is a link to site that authored the article.....

The Intercept - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept)

These are selections from the article.....

"CONTROVERSY ERUPTED on April 14 over the New York Times’s hiring of neoconservative climate-skeptic and anti-Arab polemicist Bret Stephens as the paper’s newest Op-Ed page columnist, hired away from the Wall Street Journal’s right-wing op-ed page. But just two days after it unveiled him, the paper’s op-ed page, with much less fanfare, announced that it had also hired a carbon copy of Stephens named Bari Weiss, also from the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, to “write and commissi

"
Exactly as she was doing a decade ago as a “pro-Israel” activist at Columbia and thereafter at various neocon media perches, her formula is as simple as it is predictable: She channels whatever prevailing right-wing grievance exists about colleges, Arabs or Israel critics (ideally, all of those) into a column that’s supposed to be “provocative”on the kinds of quick-off-the-news pieces” that will “amplify the section’s already important voice in the national conversation.”

"In her short tenure, Weiss (pictured, right) has given the paper exactly what it apparently wanted when it hired her. She has churned out a series of trite, shallow, cheap attacks on already-marginalized left-wing targets that have made her a heroine in the insular neocon and right-wing intelligentsia precincts in which she, Stephens, and so many other NYT op-ed writers reside."

Thus it is no surprise that she is honored on this forum as a hero.

I read her letter of resignation and what she said certainly rang true to me.

[Bucco]

February 2017...

1. The New York Times

This is the most influential newspaper in the U.S. in my view. Its editorial page and some of its news coverage take a left-leaning, progressive view of the world. But the NYT also hews to ethical standards of reporting and the classic elements of journalism in America. That's what helps the NYT remain, arguably, the agenda-setting news organization in America. It is a leader in business, politics and culture coverage. *

10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts (https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2017/02/01/10-journalism-brands-where-you-will-find-real-facts-rather-than-alternative-facts/#1a274588e9b5)

While anyone who maintains that all news sources have some sort of bias....are correct, to a degree, and there are ways to grade and evaluate.

The Times consistently has the most comprehensive editorial process in THE WORLD. Are they perfect....heck no.....nobody is.

Problem I have personally is the sheer violent and personal attacks on our free press. Most times they attack when someone prints OBVIOUS, SEE VIDEO, SEE DIRECT QUOTES kind of story...yet they will call it Fake News or attack the journalists who wrote the article.

There are different ways to lie and we all have seen it in our kids.....lies of commission, and lies of omission.

Most sub teens attack anything that gets close to something uncomfortable for them.

I always find these attacks on this forum entertaining....a source is called liar, despite video or sound, and then I will post and ask for an example of this source lying.....silence....thread floats off into oblivion.

Denying and calling juvenile names will not change facts but simply speak to the author of the criticizer.

I never post a link without checking credentials....does that make mine perfect, nope, but it means I care about truth just a bit more than others.

If something is said about the INTERCEPT IS UNTRUE, then please for the sake of all of us, share it, but simply attacking does serve no purpose other than allow you to attack someone in anger.

Our Free Press is not only vital to this country but with the vast amount of sources, it requires us to educate ourselves instead of looking for something we like and that is equally as important. THAT is the reason so many who are hiding things attack the media.

Point is, as always, nobody gives an alternate to what I post....just attack. If there is an alternate view about this resignation, give it....do not rely on someone else to read up on it for you. You leave yourself open to being led around by your noses by those who want something.

Does nobody want to discuss issues instead of simply attacking others personally and violently ??

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I get my information from a variety of sources. Never news "shows" but news "reports." I also watch snippets of Rachel Maddow because she presents her theories and conclusions intelligently - even when I disagree with them (which I do, at times). I don't watch CNN. I don't watch Fox. I don't watch anything "more left" than CNN or "more right" than Fox.

I'm a moderate, looking for facts, not opinions or discussion about facts that haven't been presented.

I watch news as it is happening, on live camera, when I'm interested in the topic being presented. That way I can see for myself and hear with my own ears what's going on, even if I don't happen to be there at the time.

I also like watching Beau of the Fifth Column videos because he helps me expand my understanding of things like the Second Amendment, different viewpoints of Government and the Constitution, American History, and the militia (not the Military). As far as I can tell Beau is an anarchist but he's very calm, very well-read, knows his history, and doesn't push his agenda on you. He just makes you think. And that's a good thing for everyone, no matter which side they're on.

I check the NYT for COVID-19 information because everything else on their internet paper is hidden behind a paywall and I don't subscribe to any news media.

For the same reason - I read whatever limited amounts of articles I'm allowed to read on WaPo, WSJ, Bloomberg. I sometimes will watch ABC, NBC, or CBS news if something interesting is going on.

I also check in daily with Reuters and BBC News. I've also peeked in on Al Jazeera from time to time, for a different perspective of American events.

[Bucco]

I find it difficult to fathom a true conservative using the NYT as a source of truth. Almost like saying MSNBC has objective journalists. I gave up on the mainstream media in the 80's when you could discern the subtle use of words in reporting something to convey an opinion and not objectivity.

So, your alternative to what you call “mainstream” is what...YouTube ? I will stick with mainstream. Facts and truth are the most important element and the Times, whether you like opinions or not, give you facts.

I have grown weary of people watching an event and saying it never happened....that is a shut down moment.

Start with the Times....then if you wish move on to “legitimate” mainstream venues

Oh, feel free to share when you notice a lie in the news section.

[Stu from NYC]

As a former NYer started with the times and most of the 30 years living in Va always went out and purchased the Sunday edition.

Once upon a time found them objective over last 10 years ago they have been less and less objective.