Mr. Developer: We need a "New Normal" at the Villages

[denjanmichael@outlook.com]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!

[Steven carrier]

Those are great ideas. Hope they act on them. Especially like the lazy river idea.

[graciegirl]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!

Many if not most of us who are being extremely careful would not use either of those features.

The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee.

I think that what is happening here is happening in the world and there is only one word to us.

Patience.



Grasshopper.

[Martian]

Good ideas, we need more options, and it is good to try to plan them to provide reasonable levels of safety.

Thanks

[shut the front door]

They canceled the outdoor concerts at the polo field because nobody was buying tickets.

[Bogie Shooter]

"meandering lazy river" :1rotfl::1rotfl::mademyday:

Where?


When?

How much $

Who pays?

How to keep tubes apart?

[dewilson58]

You will have more success with suggestions by going to Brownwood and knocking on the door................rather than posting on ToTV.




:ohdear:

[Stu from NYC]

Would love a lazy river

[DrBrutyle109]

A couple of lazy rivers....that should work well with 130,000 people

[Rwirish]

The outdoor concerts were tried and failed.

Patience is the key.

[charming]

The lazy river idea is soooooo good! They are not only beautiful to look at but they are so relaxing and fun.
One for families and one for adults only.

[junction29]

The lazy river idea is soooooo good! They are not only beautiful to look at but they are so relaxing and fun.
One for families and one for adults only.

Fiesta Pools built a Lazy River for us around an island in the middle of our pool, when we had our pool added in 2013 and we love it - ahhhhhh!

So TV already have one 😂😂

[EileenK]

Mr Developer only cares about their profit.

[Stu from NYC]

Outdoor concerts might have worked if they allowed us to bring chairs and set them up socially distant.

Thought about it until realized we would be confined to our car for the period before and during the concert. Not the best way to see a concert and enjoy the music.

[graciegirl]

Mr Developer only cares about their profit.

In a situation where a company builds homes there is outlay for materials and labor and their is outlay for land and improvement of lands and utilities and roads and infrastructue. Their is money spent on many, many facets and then the home is built and there is a profit. That profit margin then is used to do the process all over again and yet there is still money left over for the owner.

But in the process, in that very process, people who dig, drive, hammer, saw, lift, climb, sweat, caulk, lay tile, carry heavy lumber, sit at a desk and draw plans, negotiate prices for more land, dig trenches for pipes and carry heavy things like toilets and climb to high places and work in 95 degree heat get money. They use that money to pay their rent, buy food, gas, car note, water and light bill and entertain themselves and then the money is spread to waitresses and doctors and people who pick up the trash and people who mow the lawn and people who paint nails and cut hair and sew us up after we have a hernia operation or a heart stent.

Profit is not a dirty word.

[crash]

Many if not most of us who are being extremely careful would not use either of those features.

The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee.

I think that what is happening here is happening in the world and there is only one word to us.

Patience.



Grasshopper.

This will be over sometime and having new options is a good idea. I like the lazy river option and it was proposed before.

I am following the guidelines and 6 ft distance outdoors is within the guidelines so closing the square would work if the number of people allowed was controlled.

If people want to be more careful they are free not to go but don’t restrict everyone beyond the guidelines because you want to be overly cautious.

[graciegirl]

This will be over sometime and having new options is a good idea. I like the lazy river option and it was proposed before.

I am following the guidelines and 6 ft distance outdoors is within the guidelines so closing the square would work if the number of people allowed was controlled.

If people want to be more careful they are free not to go but don’t restrict everyone beyond the guidelines because you want to be overly cautious.

Things are planned and constructed based on usage. Usage is down. WAAAAAAAAAY down. Don't look at me. It was a damned bug.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Alligators think the river idea is delicious .

[Windguy]

They canceled the outdoor concerts at the polo field because nobody was buying tickets.
Was that before COVID-19? If so, they might get greater interest now.

[Oregon47]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!
Nice to read a post that proposes solutions — and good ones at that — instead of a perceived problem.

[nn0wheremann]

They canceled the outdoor concerts at the polo field because nobody was buying tickets.
In July and August in Florida? Is anyone surprised? Too hot & too humid.

[GaryKoca]

Those are some good ideas worth exploring. I was afraid you were going to say, Let's declare victory over COVID-19 and just reinstate everything like before. But you had some very good ideas there.

[wirenail444]

Great ideas. Let's see some action from the developer.

[Sanford Epstein]

I agree that a new normal is needed in the Villages. That new normal needs to be in the form of thinking as the original developer did, not allowing short changing those of us living south of 44. No beautiful multimodal cart paths as seen driving north of 44 along Morse Boulevard, not for us! No town square to meet and greet and eat. Sure we will have Magnolia Place with pizza and bar b q, how unique to middle Florida. Probably a Chinese take out also, and also unique around these parts. I almost forgot the dump truck parades we see south of 44 all day long Monday through Friday. We cannot the developer who paid for these trucks many, many times over let Rainey know that if you want continued Village work you will tell your drivers that they shall not do 60+ in a 45 mph zone, they shall be courteous to Village people as we traverse these turn around and roadways. End the constant flying dust where we cannot even keep our cars clean. In the end folks you and I are going to be paying for the resurfacing of our roadways as the amenity fee will slowly rise as the sun. South of 44 we have no cart accessible fitness center for all the homes we have here and the younger ages that are moving in. Fenney Rec Center or Everglades for sure are both large enough for a nice size fitness center.
So Mr. and Mrs. Developer please do not make us feel like orphans any longer south of 44. If you continue to treat us a second class citizens in your minds you will see more and more red and white for sale signs which will in the end slow down your sale of new homes.
No longer ignored and abused south of 44.

[La lamy]

I'd love to see outdoor ping pong tables. We have them in a park at my summer home and they're great fun. Made out of concrete so they weather great.

[WhiteToast]

Its time for a new normal at TV. This crisis is going to continue for a while. TV management needs to adapt. Cmon’ let’s get on it TV! You should already be figuring this out!

[Careyjan]

Entertainment at The Squares is what brought me to TV. Bring it back by allowing only Villages to attend and everyone must bring their own chair, remove the white ones. This way people must plan to be there with their own chair and no contamination. To ensure only residents attend, each person would need to go to a rec center and pick up a brightly colored wrist band that the monitors could easily see. Not sure how to space dancers������

[Engine12]

Let’s just get back to normal, we don’t need a new normal. Also, miniature golf would be fun !

[KRM0614]

Lazy river pool is a brilliant idea. Know why they won’t? Liability.

[biker1]

That is never going to happen.

Entertainment at The Squares is what brought me to TV. Bring it back by allowing only Villages to attend and everyone must bring their own chair, remove the white ones. This way people must plan to be there with their own chair and no contamination. To ensure only residents attend, each person would need to go to a rec center and pick up a brightly colored wrist band that the monitors could easily see. Not sure how to space dancers������

[ficoguy]

Developers look at long term trends and don’t react to short term disruptions. Like oh e an investor they are in it for the long game. What you are suggesting as far as lazy rivers and the like is probably a insurance liability.

[Altavia]

Some nice ideas here looking towards the future.

[Stu from NYC]

Entertainment at The Squares is what brought me to TV. Bring it back by allowing only Villages to attend and everyone must bring their own chair, remove the white ones. This way people must plan to be there with their own chair and no contamination. To ensure only residents attend, each person would need to go to a rec center and pick up a brightly colored wrist band that the monitors could easily see. Not sure how to space dancers������

great idea but it is the merchants that pay for the entertainment and they would not want to limit attendance to villagers

[Rhonda West]

The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee.

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This statement is incorrect! PLEASE people, check your facts before you present something as FACT! The merchants have NO control or power over the entertainment in the squares. They have NOTHING to do with it! THE VILLAGES controls EVERYTHING concerning the merchants and the squares. The merchants are struggling to stay open and the only help The Villages has offered them is to allow the stores to reduce the MANDATORY "store open" hours while there is no entertainment. They haven't even given any merchants a break in rent, which is STEEP! The merchants NEED our business!

[crash]

You know Sanford you moved into a construction zone what did you expect.

Most of what you describe was the same in Brownwood and Lake Sumter when they were first built.

[JSR22]

This statement is incorrect! PLEASE people, check your facts before you present something as FACT! The merchants have NO control or power over the entertainment in the squares. They have NOTHING to do with it! THE VILLAGES controls EVERYTHING concerning the merchants and the squares. The merchants are struggling to stay open and the only help The Villages has offered them is to allow the stores to reduce the MANDATORY "store open" hours while there is no entertainment. They haven't even given any merchants a break in rent, which is STEEP! The merchants NEED our business!

The merchants pay for the entertainment along with Sumter County tourism tax . The Villages does not pay for the entertainment.

[sooziesoul]

So many people relied on the entertainment at the Village Squares for their nights out . This needs to return!!

[JSR22]

So many people relied on the entertainment at the Village Squares for their nights out . This needs to return!!

I have not read or heard anything that the squares are opening soon.

[Rodneysblue]

A lazy river from Spanish Springs to Brownwood. What do you think?

[SIRE1]

A lazy river from Spanish Springs to Brownwood. What do you think?

Only if it goes back around to Spanish Springs again. If it didn't, that would be a LONG walk back in a wet bathing suit to get your golf cart. :icon_wink:

[Buckeye Bandit]

So nice to see some positive thinking...energizing to be positive for a change...thanks denjan

[ficoguy]

Gators would welcome that as it would be a reptile version of the Metropolitan Transit Authority.

[mtlee024]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!


Some of your ideas need to be taken to the CDD as they control the recreation facilities, etc. Find out when they meet and take your ideas to them. Thinking out of the box is good.

[MandoMan]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past


---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!

I spent a couple weeks at a Mexican resort that had a half mile long Lazy River around the whole swimming pool area. It was four feet deep and maybe 12’ wide. There was enough current so we could sit on a flotation tube and cruise for hours. But I guess there would have to be ways to get out, and attendants, and more. Imagine if an alligator got in! All those tempting toes! I suspect it would be much more expensive than a swimming pool.

[gidget72]

I love your ideas lets hope some of them will happen.

[EdFNJ]

A lazy river from Spanish Springs to Brownwood. What do you think? I think a "roaring rapids" would be more fun. :D They could have both, the R.R. would be like an express lane on the turnpike and both be just as likely. :D

[bilcon]

"If you can't change it, change your attitude."

[New Englander]

Alligators think the river idea is delicious .

:bigbow:

[shut the front door]

Was that before COVID-19? If so, they might get greater interest now.

No.

[Vetter]

I think a "roaring rapids" would be more fun. :D They could have both, the R.R. would be like an express lane on the turnpike and both be just as likely. :D

Went to a water facility just like you describe very recently in North Carolina -- almost impossible to keep any separation between the rafts or kayaks so social distancing could be a real issue if it were deemed necessary. They separated the rafts as they left the loading area, but they tended to be bunched up at the other end and getting them back on the lift for the return to the upper lake area was a major traffic jam!

[Donb0975]

I do believe that bridges over 44 will soon be open (this year) and still to come a bridge over the turnpike. In the meantime do remember that when you purchased south of 44 you knew there were no bridges, no squares, no fitness centers, no championship golf, etc. Those things are coming.

[GoodLife]

I spent a couple weeks at a Mexican resort that had a half mile long Lazy River around the whole swimming pool area. It was four feet deep and maybe 12’ wide. There was enough current so we could sit on a flotation tube and cruise for hours. But I guess there would have to be ways to get out, and attendants, and more. Imagine if an alligator got in! All those tempting toes! I suspect it would be much more expensive than a swimming pool.

Sounds like the Mayan Palace in Puerto Vallarta. I used to live just down the beach.

PS There are lots of crocodiles in Puerto Vallarta.

[clwahlstrom]

I think they set too many restrictions on the polo field concerts. And a pretty good comment on that was sitting in 100° heat waiting to get in the door, ] And too many mosquitoes. Perhaps if they did this in the fall it may attract a few more people

[Falconerbecky]

Almost didn’t read this thinking it would just be another complaint. So happy to see the constructive thoughts here. Kudos to you.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'd love to see outdoor ping pong tables. We have them in a park at my summer home and they're great fun. Made out of concrete so they weather great.

Yesterday's temp 92 degrees...

[Strongel]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past


---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!

I like the floating down the lazy river idea!

[kilowatt]

Build a new Katie Belles but in more central location like Lake Sumter. Recreate the downstairs of the "old" Katie Belles which had a more friendlier atmosphere than the newer upstairs version. Of course the powers to be would never do this but I can dream.

[Bogie Shooter]

Only if it goes back around to Spanish Springs again. If it didn't, that would be a LONG walk back in a wet bathing suit to get your golf cart. :icon_wink:

Easily solved, use the trolleys for the return trip.:1rotfl:

[EdFNJ]

I think a "roaring rapids" would be more fun. :D They could have both, the R.R. would be like an express lane on the turnpike and both be just as likely. :D

Went to a water facility just like you describe very recently in North Carolina -- almost impossible to keep any separation between the rafts or kayaks so social distancing could be a real issue if it were deemed necessary. They separated the rafts as they left the loading area, but they tended to be bunched up at the other end and getting them back on the lift for the return to the upper lake area was a major traffic jam!

Actually I was being facetious although a 17 mile roaring rapids from Spanish Springs to the far south reaches of T.V. (17 miles or maybe Orlando ??) would be interesting and better than taking a golf cart.. :D

[Bogie Shooter]

Build a new Katie Belles but in more central location like Lake Sumter. Recreate the downstairs of the "old" Katie Belles which had a more friendlier atmosphere than the newer upstairs version. Of course the powers to be would never do this but I can dream.

This idea would go well with those residents near Brownwood, Spanish Springs, and south of 44.
See its easy to add new things................................

[Stu from NYC]

Actually I was being facetious although a 17 mile roaring rapids from Spanish Springs to the far south reaches of T.V. (17 miles or maybe Orlando ??) would be interesting and better than taking a golf cart.. :D

wow sign us up

[Stu from NYC]

Only if it goes back around to Spanish Springs again. If it didn't, that would be a LONG walk back in a wet bathing suit to get your golf cart. :icon_wink:

Solve your problem, will import camels who will take you back for $ 20 a ride payable in advance of course. And we will sell you a picture of you on the camel for just a small upcharge

[Stu from NYC]

I do believe that bridges over 44 will soon be open (this year) and still to come a bridge over the turnpike. In the meantime do remember that when you purchased south of 44 you knew there were no bridges, no squares, no fitness centers, no championship golf, etc. Those things are coming.

Exactly why we purchased our home in the older section of the villages. Who knows how much time we have to wait.

[escudel@bellsouth.net]

I do wonder what kind of spin real estate agents are using to sell homes in the Villages. The endless golf, entertainment, 2500+ clubs, countless pools and recreation opportunities, etc. were major influencing factors in our moving here. Most of these have come to a halt with the possible exception of golf.

[blueash]

I agree that a new normal is needed in the Villages. That new normal needs to be in the form of thinking as the original developer did, not allowing short changing those of us living south of 44. No beautiful multimodal cart paths as seen driving north of 44 along Morse Boulevard, not for us! No town square to meet and greet and eat. Sure we will have Magnolia Place with pizza and bar b q, how unique to middle Florida. Probably a Chinese take out also, and also unique around these parts. I almost forgot the dump truck parades we see south of 44 all day long Monday through Friday. We cannot the developer who paid for these trucks many, many times over let Rainey know that if you want continued Village work you will tell your drivers that they shall not do 60+ in a 45 mph zone, they shall be courteous to Village people as we traverse these turn around and roadways. End the constant flying dust where we cannot even keep our cars clean. In the end folks you and I are going to be paying for the resurfacing of our roadways as the amenity fee will slowly rise as the sun. South of 44 we have no cart accessible fitness center for all the homes we have here and the younger ages that are moving in. Fenney Rec Center or Everglades for sure are both large enough for a nice size fitness center.
So Mr. and Mrs. Developer please do not make us feel like orphans any longer south of 44. If you continue to treat us a second class citizens in your minds you will see more and more red and white for sale signs which will in the end slow down your sale of new homes.
No longer ignored and abused south of 44.

I hear your pain. The solution is to sell your home down there and move 10 miles north into the established areas of TV that have what you seek. The planning and design south of 44 was very clear. More homes, fewer large amenities like golf and town squares. Fewer shopping and dining options for several years. More nature walks and bike trails. And of course more dust as it is being built. You knew that I hope when you purchased. We northerners will welcome you and hope you find happiness up here. We also don't get snow in January.

[Stu from NYC]

I do wonder what kind of spin real estate agents are using to sell homes in the Villages. The endless golf, entertainment, 2500+ clubs, countless pools and recreation opportunities, etc. were major influencing factors in our moving here. Most of these have come to a halt with the possible exception of golf.

Real estate agents will say something along the lines of "All the good stuff is coming soon."

[wisbad1]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!
Very good ideas, if they could make a buck they would have done it. But you have great ideas!

[shopnstop]

In a situation where a company builds homes there is outlay for materials and labor and their is outlay for land and improvement of lands and utilities and roads and infrastructue. Their is money spent on many, many facets and then the home is built and there is a profit. That profit margin then is used to do the process all over again and yet there is still money left over for the owner.

But in the process, in that very process, people who dig, drive, hammer, saw, lift, climb, sweat, caulk, lay tile, carry heavy lumber, sit at a desk and draw plans, negotiate prices for more land, dig trenches for pipes and carry heavy things like toilets and climb to high places and work in 95 degree heat get money. They use that money to pay their rent, buy food, gas, car note, water and light bill and entertain themselves and then the money is spread to waitresses and doctors and people who pick up the trash and people who mow the lawn and people who paint nails and cut hair and sew us up after we have a hernia operation or a heart stent.

Profit is not a dirty word.
Great idea(s), fully support the thinking! Getting the residents 'out and about'!

[Marathon Man]

This statement is incorrect! PLEASE people, check your facts before you present something as FACT! The merchants have NO control or power over the entertainment in the squares. They have NOTHING to do with it! THE VILLAGES controls EVERYTHING concerning the merchants and the squares. The merchants are struggling to stay open and the only help The Villages has offered them is to allow the stores to reduce the MANDATORY "store open" hours while there is no entertainment. They haven't even given any merchants a break in rent, which is STEEP! The merchants NEED our business!

Uhhh, no.

[shopnstop]

The word you are looking for is NOT patience, but APATHY!

[DPayton]

A lazy river would be a blast!!

[NJRICHARD]

The town square music cost can be spent on Oldies-but Goodies, concerts, etc., at the Polo Grounds (AT NO CHARGE) while sitting in your open air golf carts. Out door movies are wonderful for those of that remember the drive-ins, we should use golf carts instead of cars. The lazy river idea sounds wonderful and should at least be tried in the NEW area instead of a pool. Profits are not evil, it's the old saying about how much is enough, for some NEVER, that is when the problems arise.

[graciegirl]

I do wonder what kind of spin real estate agents are using to sell homes in the Villages. The endless golf, entertainment, 2500+ clubs, countless pools and recreation opportunities, etc. were major influencing factors in our moving here. Most of these have come to a halt with the possible exception of golf.

They don't need to spin. Homes are still selling well here as they always have. No one needs to lie about anything.

And of course the major halt of recreation and interacting with others is not just in The Villages. Pan-demic means the globe, the entire world. THE PLANET.

[bpascani]

One of our neighbors hosted an outdoor concert in golf carts and it was a huge success. It encompassed 3 yards on the same side of the street, with golf cart parking 6' apart. In case you couldn't park close enough, you were encouraged to bring a chaie to set up across the street on on the neighboring lawns. Thr 3 driveways were available for dancing...again, with social distancing. No food served, bring your own beverages, masks encouraged. This was not publically advertised...it was for our surrounding streets only, so we didn't have to worry about behavior issues. It was so much fun. Lasted about 1-1.5hrs

[Grace Stockhausen]

Why are the gyms closing starting Monday? Everything else is open.

[mtdjed]

The lazy river idea is soooooo good! They are not only beautiful to look at but they are so relaxing and fun.
One for families and one for adults only.

We have one now going through Lake Sumter. Includes ducks, a stray gator at times, snakes, hot water, moss, algae. Get your inner tube and tell us how the ride was.

[jimjamuser]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!
Any developer would be adverse to investing big money in permanent structures. With a vaccine they might be useless post this plague. Your thinking outside the box is good. A drive in parking lot could stage a comedian in addition to a music group. Maybe even a play with minimal sets and actors?
I think that only God / nature can make a authentic meandering river. Possibly small pools of pumped H2O to create a current to walk or swim against?

[jimjamuser]

In a situation where a company builds homes there is outlay for materials and labor and their is outlay for land and improvement of lands and utilities and roads and infrastructue. Their is money spent on many, many facets and then the home is built and there is a profit. That profit margin then is used to do the process all over again and yet there is still money left over for the owner.

But in the process, in that very process, people who dig, drive, hammer, saw, lift, climb, sweat, caulk, lay tile, carry heavy lumber, sit at a desk and draw plans, negotiate prices for more land, dig trenches for pipes and carry heavy things like toilets and climb to high places and work in 95 degree heat get money. They use that money to pay their rent, buy food, gas, car note, water and light bill and entertain themselves and then the money is spread to waitresses and doctors and people who pick up the trash and people who mow the lawn and people who paint nails and cut hair and sew us up after we have a hernia operation or a heart stent.

Profit is not a dirty word.
Profits are NOT a dirty word when done in the normal and theoretically pure sense of the word. It can BECOME dirty, however, when done by monopolies and unscrupulous people such as has happened in the pharmacy industry with some critical drugs. Profits need to be monitored by a brutally honest government to keep excesses down. The original poster was taking about possible unchecked profits, which everyone should be wary of.

[LSTSB2018]

Why have the tubes? Make it a walking and jogging river. Great therapy! I bet it could be alligator safe.

[jimjamuser]

I'd love to see outdoor ping pong tables. We have them in a park at my summer home and they're great fun. Made out of concrete so they weather great.
Great idea! Kudos.

[NJRICHARD]

Sounds wonderful

[zendog3]

Not at all fair to say the deleveloper is only in it for the money. I paid an extra $100,000 for my house to back up to a golf course. Look at all the views driving down wide streets with green space and a golf course beyond. If the developer were only in it for the profit, he would not waste all that land and view as a public resource. It is clear to me that the developer is in it for the legacy of creating a world-class suburban city. Money has long-since ceased to be a motivating factor.

But -- to the subject: The Recreation Department has dropped the ball with respect to technology. There are a ton of ways to use zoom and other teleconference to let villagers recreate online. We could be having tons of games and chats, and lectures, online learning together using internet working. The Villages Rec centers are great but they say: to the handyman whose only tool is a hammer, all problems look like nails.

BTW I already gave this idea to the rec department. I also told them the CDC guidelines for pandemic for the general population, are not strong enough for us. The strong note from the Villages Hospital is wonderful as a guide for us, but we need a strong guide for business that serve us. For example: All employees of all businesss that serves us should be required to wear masks at all times. (None of this mask around the chin deal.) All people entering a business should be required to use hand sanitizer at the door of every business, and wear a mask while inside. Chairs for everyone not cohabiting must be at least 6 feet apart. Screw personal freedom. Your personal freedom to catch covid-19 is my ticket to the grave yard. We are all in this together. We are all Americans and we have a patriotic duty to protect ourselves so as not to become a vessel transporting virus to our fellow citizens.

[Finchs]

They canceled the outdoor concerts at the polo field because nobody was buying tickets.
The tickets were expensive, and the heat of the day made sitting in a golf cart out there not too appetizing.

[Stu from NYC]

The tickets were expensive, and the heat of the day made sitting in a golf cart out there not too appetizing.

They should have known better, letting people put out their own chairs would have worked better. Of course you do have the risk of a thunderstorm or two.

[Dgizzi]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!
Wow. I like the way you think! I would love this stuff too. We don’t golf either.

[Dgizzi]

The lazy river idea is soooooo good! They are not only beautiful to look at but they are so relaxing and fun.
One for families and one for adults only.
No just for us! This is 55 and older. Can’t we do some things just for us residents who live here 24/7. If we get something doesn’t mean we have to have one for families all the time. Like we should get the bigger nicer pools. Us residents pay for it. Why should kids have the bigger and nicer pools.

[charmed59]

I like the drive in idea. Unfortunately, right now the sun doesn’t set until 8:30. Movies would last until 10:30. That may be too late for a crowd. Maybe in late September, when the sun is setting at 7:30, they could start this.

I was really looking forward to the outside concerts. We bought tickets for three of them. Maybe they could try it again with less expensive groups. It’s 6pm right now and outdoors it’s ok with the breeze.

[DrBrutyle109]

The lazy river idea is soooooo good! They are not only beautiful to look at but they are so relaxing and fun.
One for families and one for adults only.
Again......2 rivers.....130,000 people

[Stu from NYC]

Again......2 rivers.....130,000 people

Well a few alligators could thin the herd a bit.

[SnowflakeinDeLaVista]

We wanted to go to the outdoor concert but it just wasnt well planned out. You can’t bring your own coolers so you have to stand in very long lines to get drinks while trying to social distance. Long lines to bathrooms while trying to social distance. Outdoors means high rain possibility. People that had booked at the Savannah Center had very hard time getting refunds for the concerts they booked before the shut down. What happens to our concert if it rains? We had a large group wanted to go but finally had to opt out. Those concert tickets are expensive to start with. Just didn’t seem worth the cost and especially risk. I love the idea of a drive in movie or concert but I don’t want to pay big bucks to stand in line all evening.

[Heartnsoul]

Love your ideas!! It would be nice if they did SOMETHING. drive in movies, outdoor entertainment areas etc... totally agree but will they do it for Us or are they happy to save a buck now. After all to seniors EVERYDAY counts. Get us out of isolation. Not a golfer.

[Rhonda West]

The merchants pay for the entertainment along with Sumter County tourism tax . The Villages does not pay for the entertainment.

Payment to the musicians and entertainers may come out of Tourism Taxes BUT The Villages have total CONTROL over WHO gets hired as entertainment, who gets fired, cancellations, and re-opening! Don't think for ONE MINUTE that the MERCHANTS have ANY CONTROL - they DO NOT! AND they are as much in the dark as everybody else about what the intentions are of THE VILLAGES going forward!!

By the way - the merchants in ALL three squares ARE OPEN for business! PLEASE SHOP in the squares!

[JSR22]

Payment to the musicians and entertainers may come out of Tourism Taxes BUT The Villages have total CONTROL over WHO gets hired as entertainment, who gets fired, cancellations, and re-opening! Don't think for ONE MINUTE that the MERCHANTS have ANY CONTROL - they DO NOT! AND they are as much in the dark as everybody else about what the intentions are of THE VILLAGES going forward!!

By the way - the merchants in ALL three squares ARE OPEN for business! PLEASE SHOP in the squares!
I never posted that the merchants have any control of the entertainment. They pay for the entertainment. Not their job to hire and schedule entertainment. When TV feels it is safe entertainment at the squares will open. IMO it will be months before entertainment is back.

[davem4616]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1805442]Many if not most of us who are being extremely careful would not use either of those features.

The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee.

I think that what is happening here is happening in the world and there is only one word to us.

Patience.



We're already in a 'new normal'...it's just not what any of us envisioned

We enjoyed TV 'lifestyle' as much as anyone did. We miss dancing on the squares, the shows at the Savannah and the Sharon, the polo matches...dining at a select few of the restaurants in TV, etc....

Asking the developer for more 'toys' because you're bored isn't very realistic...this shutdown isn't anything that the developer caused, nor does the developer have any responsibility to keep you entertained.

To those that say the developer is only concerned with lining his pockets I say rubbish!
He's running a business and carrying all the risks that go along with it, he's entitled to make a profit. Single handedly 'the developer' has pumped millions of dollars into the Central Florida economy. Thousands of people that would never have found employment here are now able to continue to live where they were raised.

This pandemic will pass...a vaccine will come forth, much of what has been put on hold will come back (most likely a lot sooner than any lazy river could be built and become operational IMHO)

Patience is a process, not just a virtue

[Cheiro]

The Villages has the reputation of being an "adult Disneyland for a good reason--it has always been the most unique place for 55+ people to live in America. With all that is going on with Covid-19, I believe it is time for the Developer to help create a "new normal" so that the Villages can maintain its stellar reputation.
For those of us who don't play golf, we have lost many of the features that we have enjoyed so much----and who knows when (or if) things will ever return to the way it was. It is time to think out of the box. Some ideas:

---create "golf cart" drive in movies at the polo grounds and/or Everglade. This has been done in the past

---Having open air golf cart concerts at the polo grounds was a great idea. Let's plan this again.

---Other cities have closed down their central squares to traffic and allowed restaurants to put out tables and chairs. Let's do that at our town squares like we do at special events-close the squares to traffic, set up tables that are 6 feet apart, bring back entertainment, and allow BYOB so people don't have to congregate at the Bar Huts.

---Instead of a new pool, how about creating a meandering lazy river at one or more locations. People could use that for walking (or floating) exercise and remain 6 feet apart.

Mr. Developer and family: It is time to create a "new normal" for the Villages so we can grow old at the "adult Disneyland"!

You have some really great ideas. Let us hope those with the power are actually listening (or, reading in this case."
Best wishes and stay safe.

[Curtisbwp]

WHY, why do grown adults turn to the guy with money to solve their problems?? I guess these people enjoy being under the rule of another. Stand up and rule yourself.

[Rhonda West]

"The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee. "
Previous member's quote

I just checked ALL the facts with my employer who owns one of the businesses in Spanish Springs Town Square. The FACT is the entertainers are booked and paid for by THE VILLAGES ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENT. Whether or not they get subsidized by the county is up to each individual county. The entertainers are contractors who receive a VILLAGES CHECK in payment.

PLEASE GIVE OUR VILLAGES MERCHANTS YOUR BUSINESS!!

[Stu from NYC]

"The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee. "
Previous member's quote

I just checked ALL the facts with my employer who owns one of the businesses in Spanish Springs Town Square. The FACT is the entertainers are booked and paid for by THE VILLAGES ENTERTAINMENT DEPARTMENT. Whether or not they get subsidized by the county is up to each individual county. The entertainers are contractors who receive a VILLAGES CHECK in payment.

PLEASE GIVE OUR VILLAGES MERCHANTS YOUR BUSINESS!!

Thanks for your input. Have always heard that the merchants pay the entertainers.

[denjanmichael@outlook.com]

I want to thank all of you who have thanked or responded to my posting regarding “We Need A New Normal in the Villages.” While I only posted my suggestions on Nextdoor and The Talk of the Villages, there have been over 300 replies and/or thanks the last two days---and even more unique for internet forums---95% have been positive!

Some good questions/points were raised in response so I thought it would be helpful if I addressed some of these. (Sorry for the long post)

-“Good ideas, you need to take these to the powers that be”: I was not sure how to get these to the leadership of the Villages so I appreciate your suggestions. I have sent a letter to the editor of Villages newspaper and am emailing district administration (Richard.Baier@districtgov.org) and district entertainment (John.Rohan@districtgov.org). Other suggestions are welcome.

-Some of my suggestions were meant to be future oriented. For example, golf cart drive in movies would only make sense in the fall and winter when it gets dark earlier. Building a lazy river(s) would have to be planned and budgeted. However, drive in concerts and changing the nature of seating in the Squares could be done right away.

-It was apparent that some of those who responded did not know what a lazy river is. Basically, it is a doughnut shaped pool, not very deep, with a constant current. It is no more prone to have alligators than our non-caged pools in the Villages ;>) During the pandemic, it could just be for walking so social distancing could be maintained. Later when the health crises is over, we could add tubes to float in.

-“Outdoor concerts won’t work. They were tried and cancelled due to lack of ticket sales”: I really don’t know why they were cancelled. However, I think they were designed for failure. Some mistakes made: Having the gates open at 5:00 pm in July when the temperature is still 90 degrees with little shade. Having 5 nights in the row with concerts (I would bet many bought tickets for a couple of shows like my wife and I did but we would have bought tickets for all 5 if they had been spaced weeks apart). Charging $50 or more for a ticket on average when tickets at the Savanah center are less.

-“Closing down the Squares to traffic would hurt the merchants”: If you have visited any of the Squares lately, they are a ghost town! My guess is that bringing entertainment back to the Squares would definitely increase foot traffic to the shops and restaurants. Also, at first, they could set up the Squares with tables and close down traffic intermittedly like they do for car shows, holidays, and other special events.

-“How many lazy rivers would you have for 130,000 residents and where would you put them?”: Right now we have several examples of “one of a kind” amenities that seem to accommodate our population: pitch and put course, 18 hole putting green, Marsh Bend food trucks. Ideally, it would be great to have one lazy river north of 44 (former La Hacienda country club grounds?) and south (Everglades rec center?).

-“The Developer would never consider these ideas because of the cost and eating into profits”: I have read that only about 1/3 of the Villages residents are regular golfers. The would lead you to assume that 2/3’s of the residents bought here because of the entertainment in the Squares, the “oldies” concerts, the 3000 clubs, etc. Right now, none of these activities are happening. As some of you commented, that is why you bought or are thinking of buying here. The longer these amenities are missing, the more their lack will impact the 2/3 majority who might buy here. Unfortunately, without those amenities, the Villages becomes just another series of cookie cutter, golfing developments.

-“I don’t want a “new normal”, just give us back the old normal”: I hope and pray that this will be possible------ but isn’t it wise to hedge our bet and to come up with some new ways of thinking just in case?

If you feel that way I do about keeping this the “adult Disneyland” that we know, reach out to our district government and let them know how you feel.

[yankygrl]

You have some really great ideas. Let us hope those with the power are actually listening (or, reading in this case."
Best wishes and stay safe.
Make your suggestions via a letter to the Entertainment Dept of TV. NOT sure off the top of my head who that is but easy to find out by calling sales office.

[yankygrl]

Again......2 rivers.....130,000 people
Never gonna happen

[VApeople]

WHY, why do grown adults turn to the guy with money to solve their problems??

That is a great question and I do not have an answer for you.

We all know how to minimize our chances of catching the virus.

If a person can't find a way to enjoy their life maybe they should go back to work.

[junction29]

I want to thank all of you who have thanked or responded to my posting regarding “We Need A New Normal in the Villages.” While I only posted my suggestions on Nextdoor and The Talk of the Villages, there have been over 300 replies and/or thanks the last two days---and even more unique for internet forums---95% have been positive!

Some good questions/points were raised in response so I thought it would be helpful if I addressed some of these. (Sorry for the long post)

-“Good ideas, you need to take these to the powers that be”: I was not sure how to get these to the leadership of the Villages so I appreciate your suggestions. I have sent a letter to the editor of Villages newspaper and am emailing district administration (Richard.Baier@districtgov.org) and district entertainment (John.Rohan@districtgov.org). Other suggestions are welcome.

-Some of my suggestions were meant to be future oriented. For example, golf cart drive in movies would only make sense in the fall and winter when it gets dark earlier. Building a lazy river(s) would have to be planned and budgeted. However, drive in concerts and changing the nature of seating in the Squares could be done right away.

-It was apparent that some of those who responded did not know what a lazy river is. Basically, it is a doughnut shaped pool, not very deep, with a constant current. It is no more prone to have alligators than our non-caged pools in the Villages ;>) During the pandemic, it could just be for walking so social distancing could be maintained. Later when the health crises is over, we could add tubes to float in.

-“Outdoor concerts won’t work. They were tried and cancelled due to lack of ticket sales”: I really don’t know why they were cancelled. However, I think they were designed for failure. Some mistakes made: Having the gates open at 5:00 pm in July when the temperature is still 90 degrees with little shade. Having 5 nights in the row with concerts (I would bet many bought tickets for a couple of shows like my wife and I did but we would have bought tickets for all 5 if they had been spaced weeks apart). Charging $50 or more for a ticket on average when tickets at the Savanah center are less.

-“Closing down the Squares to traffic would hurt the merchants”: If you have visited any of the Squares lately, they are a ghost town! My guess is that bringing entertainment back to the Squares would definitely increase foot traffic to the shops and restaurants. Also, at first, they could set up the Squares with tables and close down traffic intermittedly like they do for car shows, holidays, and other special events.

-“How many lazy rivers would you have for 130,000 residents and where would you put them?”: Right now we have several examples of “one of a kind” amenities that seem to accommodate our population: pitch and put course, 18 hole putting green, Marsh Bend food trucks. Ideally, it would be great to have one lazy river north of 44 (former La Hacienda country club grounds?) and south (Everglades rec center?).

-“The Developer would never consider these ideas because of the cost and eating into profits”: I have read that only about 1/3 of the Villages residents are regular golfers. The would lead you to assume that 2/3’s of the residents bought here because of the entertainment in the Squares, the “oldies” concerts, the 3000 clubs, etc. Right now, none of these activities are happening. As some of you commented, that is why you bought or are thinking of buying here. The longer these amenities are missing, the more their lack will impact the 2/3 majority who might buy here. Unfortunately, without those amenities, the Villages becomes just another series of cookie cutter, golfing developments.

-“I don’t want a “new normal”, just give us back the old normal”: I hope and pray that this will be possible------ but isn’t it wise to hedge our bet and to come up with some new ways of thinking just in case?

If you feel that way I do about keeping this the “adult Disneyland” that we know, reach out to our district government and let them know how you feel.

There is a Lazy River north of 44 - at my house 👍👍
When we had our pool built (in Gilchrist), in 2013, Fiesta Pools, built us an island with a Lazy River around it - it’s brilliant 👍👍

[Stu from NYC]

There is a Lazy River north of 44 - at my house 👍👍
When we had our pool built (in Gilchrist), in 2013, Fiesta Pools, built us an island with a Lazy River around it - it’s brilliant 👍👍

Better be careful you might be overrun with visitors:)

[jet10s]

Many if not most of us who are being extremely careful would not use either of those features.

The squares entertainment is controlled by the merchants on the squares who direct and pay the Entertainment Committee.

I think that what is happening here is happening in the world and there is only one word to us.

Patience.



Grasshopper.
of course

[Jim 9922]

The comments about the Developer being too cheap to build additional or new types of amenities makes me smile. The fact is that with the exception of the executive courses and "country clubs" we, thru the CDD's, buy and own all the amenities and pay for them over many years as a portion of our monthly fees paid to the CDD's. The developer builds the new pretty toys, uses them to advertise the lifestyle as though they are already ours. Only after a major area is built and sold out does the CDD buy (using more bonds) the new amenities at a hefty price based on the present value the related portion of all the future CDD fees being applied to those amenities. Nowhere that I know of, has the true original cost of the amenities being "purchased" been disclosed publicly and compared to the price paid by us (via the CDD's). I imagine the Developer realizes a nice fat profit for "building " all those fancy amenities for us. It does not really benefit him to build an amenity on the cheap. Lots of glitz and splashy ads and PR help sell new homes. As for additional amenities north of HY 44, right now the cost would be paid for by the CDD's themselves or it could incur additional debt. An example of that is the purchase and development of the Baptist Church property near HY 42. While they took a survey of suggestions and it is technically a CDD project, I assume the Developer has a lot of background say in what eventually gets done.

So when you buy a new home from the Developer you are also committing to two additional liens against your property: (1) the infrastructure bond which is present at the time of closing, and (2) the eventual and indirect lien from the purchase of the amenities which is collected through your monthly payments to the CDD which payments are mandatory to your property agreement.

I for one appreciate what has been done and that the past quality of the amenities has been high. But you have to know how it is being done and realize there is no free lunch. The Developer risks his money to make money and there is nothing wrong with that if the product is good and fits your "needs", which for me is a great place to retire.

[LSTSB2018]

Where is there a shady trail to walk on in The Villages? Are exercise classes being taught?

[Villagevip]

Like to see Those new outdoor gyms in the places, they are not...Like the Polo grounds.. Plenty of appropriate spaces available in that area.. Willing to chip in if needed..