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mtdjed
07-20-2020, 09:10 PM
Thank goodness , the Governor of Missouri Mike Parson says he will Pardon the McCloskeys for protecting their home. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner has charged them with illegal use of guns against the "innocent protestors" that broke into their community. MS Gardner claims she doesn't have time to process charges against murderers but couldn't resist charging this couple.
Nucky
07-21-2020, 01:59 AM
When we took our Gun safety classes I forget which day they showed us the stance that the nice lady took. You know the one with the hand on her hip. I give them a lot of credit for standing up for themselves. Agree with them or not it took guts.
Let's give it some time and see how this works out.
camaguey48
07-21-2020, 04:43 AM
A nation of sheep ķ ½ķ° will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow
Bay Kid
07-21-2020, 06:56 AM
What were they suppose to do? Let the terrorists group destroy their property or worse? Watch out they are coming for our guns next. Too dangerous for us to protect ourselves.
dewilson58
07-21-2020, 07:08 AM
What were they suppose to do? .
Not wave their guns.
I agree they have a right to guns and to protect. I hope the charges are dropped.
billethkid
07-21-2020, 07:26 AM
Here in FL.....
Florida Law on Self-Defense | Use of Deadly and Non Deadly Force (https://www.husseinandwebber.com/case-work/criminal-defense-articles/self-defense-florida/)
We know that legally trained or counseled politicians are masters at using, abusing or hiding behind the law.....which ever suites their case or agenda!!
Hayek1957
07-21-2020, 07:26 AM
The only issue I found unnecessary was when Mrs. McCloskey appeared to have muzzle swept the protestors. That being stated, no shots were fired and no one was hurt.
The DA is wrong to file charges.
Stu from NYC
07-21-2020, 08:15 AM
If a fund is set up to pay for their defense would be happy to contribute
Carla B
07-21-2020, 01:42 PM
If a fund is set up to pay for their defense would be happy to contribute
It's doubtful that they need any funds. I read that they are both personal injury attorneys.
Stu from NYC
07-21-2020, 03:11 PM
It's doubtful that they need any funds. I read that they are both personal injury attorneys.
True but you know the old saying when lawyers represent themselves.
manaboutown
07-21-2020, 05:13 PM
True but you know the old saying when lawyers represent themselves.
They have a criminal attorney, Joel Schwartz, representing them. Top Rated St. Louis, MO Criminal Defense Attorney | Joel Schwartz | Super Lawyers (https://profiles.superlawyers.com/missouri/st-louis/lawyer/joel-j-schwartz/a041d18e-bb04-445f-8b18-e22b99889e39.html)
Stu from NYC
07-21-2020, 06:00 PM
They have a criminal attorney, Joel Schwartz, representing them. Top Rated St. Louis, MO Criminal Defense Attorney | Joel Schwartz | Super Lawyers (https://profiles.superlawyers.com/missouri/st-louis/lawyer/joel-j-schwartz/a041d18e-bb04-445f-8b18-e22b99889e39.html)
Good for them hopefully they get off without even needing the governors help.
John41
07-21-2020, 08:13 PM
Thatās why itās good to have special insurance in case you have to defend yourself.
Mister Bubby
07-22-2020, 06:32 AM
Thank goodness , the Governor of Missouri Mike Parson says he will Pardon the McCloskeys for protecting their home. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner has charged them with illegal use of guns against the "innocent protestors" that broke into their community. MS Gardner claims she doesn't have time to process charges against murderers but couldn't resist charging this couple.
Carrying Law of the state of Missouri....
State law does not prohibit the open carrying of firearms, but does prohibit exhibiting āany weapon readily capable of lethal useā in an angry or threatening manner in the presence of one or more persons. Mo. Rev. Stat. § 571.030.1(4).
WesMan
07-22-2020, 06:47 AM
Thank goodness , the Governor of Missouri Mike Parson says he will Pardon the McCloskeys for protecting their home. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner has charged them with illegal use of guns against the "innocent protestors" that broke into their community. MS Gardner claims she doesn't have time to process charges against murderers but couldn't resist charging this couple.
McCloskeys were correct in protecting themselves!!! It's about time someone stoodup to these animals!!!! To quote Dirty Harry "Make My Day"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hayek1957
07-22-2020, 06:58 AM
This case is reminiscent of the 2006 Duke University Lacrosse Team. The over-zealous Attorney General was eventually disbarred.
Letās hope the same fate awaits this Attorney General.
mamamia54
07-22-2020, 07:29 AM
From what I heard on the news (reliable or not) 300 to 500 āprotestersā went into a gated community, stood in front of their house and shouted after your dead we will live in your house. That sounds scary to me. What were they supposed to do yell back ok but let us go in and make you dinner first !
Scorpyo
07-22-2020, 08:07 AM
Thank goodness , the Governor of Missouri Mike Parson says he will Pardon the McCloskeys for protecting their home. St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner has charged them with illegal use of guns against the "innocent protesters" that broke into their community. MS Gardner claims she doesn't have time to process charges against murderers but couldn't resist charging this couple.
I would venture to guess that Kim Gardner was mentored by the Duke Lacrosse prosecutor. I would only hope that the final outcome would be the same.
varriano
07-22-2020, 08:26 AM
This case is reminiscent of the 2006 Duke University Lacrosse Team. The over-zealous Attorney General was eventually disbarred.
Letās hope the same fate awaits this Attorney General.
Just to clarify, the MO State Attorney General (Eric Schmitt) has been interviewed nationally and has expressed support and has filed an amicus brief in support of the McCloskeys.
The local Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner prosecuting the McCloskeys was previously involved with the shooting in Ferguson and indicted the previous MO Governor (Eric Greitens).
DeanFL
07-22-2020, 08:39 AM
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I've never owned a gun. Never had the need or desire wherever I've lived. Including here in The Villages. BUT if we lived in an area that was subject to protests/crowds/upheaval THAT would change in a blink of the eye. I would be at Shooters World as a buyer and training etc. In many areas of the country, Law Enforcement response may be lacking - so you're on your own. I would not hesitate to react as this couple did. period.
I must think this a few times a day when glancing at current events...."Our Poor Country"....
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Stu from NYC
07-22-2020, 08:47 AM
Just to clarify, the MO State Attorney General (Eric Schmitt) has been interviewed nationally and has expressed support and has filed an amicus brief in support of the McCloskeys.
The local Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner prosecuting the McCloskeys was previously involved with the shooting in Ferguson and indicted the previous MO Governor (Eric Greitens).
One would hope they would find a way to remove her from office before she can do further damage to law abiding citizens just looking to protect themselves.
Alana33
07-22-2020, 10:25 AM
Meh! I say lock them up!
lkagele
07-22-2020, 10:40 AM
One would hope they would find a way to remove her from office before she can do further damage to law abiding citizens just looking to protect themselves.
That was my first thought after I had heard criminal charges were filed. The McCloskeys should start a recall movement to have her removed from office.
kanoa1kale2
07-22-2020, 11:12 AM
Carrying Law of the state of Missouri....
State law does not prohibit the open carrying of firearms, but does prohibit exhibiting āany weapon readily capable of lethal useā in an angry or threatening manner in the presence of one or more persons. Mo. Rev. Stat. § 571.030.1(4).
Missouri also has the Castle Doctrine Law which covers them. The mob broke through a gate labelled no trespassing, trespassed on private property while armed and threatened them verbally. When it gets to where you can't protect your own property of self, it's time to either leave the country or overthrow whichever government is in charge of letting that happen. This prosecutor in St. Louis was elected when George Soros through a Super Pac funded her campaign. The fact she is ignoring state law should get her removed from office post haste!
manaboutown
07-22-2020, 12:50 PM
That misguided inept prosecutor should be locked up as well as sued penniless by the McCloskeys when this is over. How many rioters and looters is she prosecuting for their thousands of violent felonies?
pcacace
07-22-2020, 02:13 PM
Good news! They felt threatened. The protesters were trespassing and shouting threatening words. ā¹ļø
meboyle
07-22-2020, 06:39 PM
The only issue I found unnecessary was when Mrs. McCloskey appeared to have muzzle swept the protestors. That being stated, no shots were fired and no one was hurt.
The DA is wrong to file charges.
Just to add, her Gun was a toy..his had no bullets. That came out in court.
I love their courage...
Velvet
07-22-2020, 06:57 PM
The couple was protecting their home and themselves. What I resent is that they had to do that in the first place. I donāt take too well to people trespassing on my property either, whatever their reason.
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