Unbearable Noise

[dewilson58]

Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really???




:ohdear:

[Jim 9922]

Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really???




:ohdear:

Not much different from buying a house near an airport, or near a firehouse, or near a factory, on a busy street, etc. The deal was too good to pass up, now change the world for me!! Maybe he bought it on the internet. At least with Amazon you can return it.

[Dgizzi]

Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really???




:ohdear:
I know right! Did they not think it would be noisy! Maybe when they looked at it the turnpike wasn’t busy cause of the virus! But DUH! And they want me to put my name on a petition to help them! Nope. And if you bought your home “online” do a satellite search. Bet a lot of people don’t know about the prison 5 miles or so from us too!

[BamaBoy451]

No surprise here. Goes along with people griping about the gates or the presence of golf carts after they move here.

[ctmurray]

We have met people who purchased homes without even seeing them. Or this person might have come once and visited several houses, picked one and left. I agree they should have been better consumers. I purchased a house once that was near a small airport, but we had to purchase quickly, really did not pay attention when driving in, and there were no planes out that day. Now this never became a problem but we missed this entirely.

[WhiteToast]

Shaking my head... Idiot. I live in Monarch Grove. It’s great. I looked at homes nearer the Turnpike but thought to myself “Hmmm... Turnpike. Noise.” And I bought a few streets away - it’s great here and I don’t hear any Turnpike noise. Totally peaceful. I’m very happy in MG. I wont sign his petition. Idiot.

[WhiteToast]

I believe OP referred to news article on another site that reported a home owner in Monarch Grove is circulating a petition to neighbors asking TV to build a wall or do something to negate the noise of the Florida Turnpike and now he wants to create an issue because of his decision.

[billethkid]

Maybe all that is needed is the same attitude that tolerates the golf cart NOISE behind all the homes along the golf course fairways....that commanded a premium for being there.....

[MandoMan]

Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really?
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I agree. The house in question is 100 yards from the freeway. Didn’t they stand outside in the back and listen? Of course it’s going to be loud outside. There’s a good chance they won’t hear it inside with the windows closed, though, and some music playing. I wouldn’t buy that lot, and that’s probably why the price wasn’t very high for it. As it is, my house is 250 yards from 466, so I can hear that road, but so it goes. It also has golf carts going past on the golf course. It goes with the territory. It could be that the homeowners could get the interstate highway commission to put up barriers, but it shouldn’t be something we pay through our fees.

As for what an individual homeowner should do, there are dense shrubs that could be planted in several rows and would in a few years be six feet tall and cut the decibels perceived on the lanai enough so it’s less awful.

The people comparing this to airports are right. Denver International Airport was built miles out on the prairie, far from houses. Then thousands of houses were built a few miles away. Now homeowners are suing to get the flight paths changed. Really? Is that fair? Let the buyer beware! Or, as it says in the book of Revelation, “Let he who has ears, hear!”

[davem4616]

Ya have to do your homework....just maybe the wind was always blowing in the opposite direction whenever they looked at the house and never heard the noise from the Turnpike

while they're waiting to hear if a 'noise barrier' will be installed they can always enclose their lanai and invest in a whole house music system

[Lottoguy]

Sounds like the people I knew who purchased a home next to O'hare Airport in Chicago!

[FenneyFanatic]

Folks speak of the developers as if they were forever responsible for every aspect of the homeowners happiness. They built a beautiful community and sold you a house. It ends there. All the petitions in the world won't change "caveat emptor". If you don't like your situation, sell it and move on. Thanks to the wonderful place we live, there is a strong resale market.

[New Englander]

When you purchase a house close to a busy turnpike, you get what you pay for.

I wouldn't buy a house near any busy roadway or Pickle-ball court.

[DeanFL]

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Personally I understand their plight and issue - BUT they bought there, hopefully with the knowledge of exact location and environment. Another BUT - one would think that TV would have installed sound barrier walls as we see in many communities near highways etc, esp the Turnpike on the way to airport. One of those 'buyer beware' matters. As said before by others here, a #1 on list for us when we were considering TV lots was QUIET - no pickleball, main streets, back cart paths close to rear, etc etc.

to add some clarity - from the 'online news site'>

Villager launches petition drive over ‘unbearable’ noise from Florida Turnpike
July 22, 2020

Meta Minton
A Villager has launched a petition effort over noise from the Florida Turnpike.

Harold Meyer of the Village of Monarch Grove earlier this month took his complaint about noise from the Turnpike before the Project Wide Advisory Committee. He said the noise at his home at 5752 Hickey Way has become “unbearable.” Meyer suggested that more landscaping could be added, or perhaps even a wall. However, PWAC was not receptive to his plight.
Undeterred, Meyer has launched a petition effort in a quest to gain the support of his neighbors in the Village of Monarch Grove.

“I am spearheading a petition to ask the Developers of our community to deal with the road noise created by the Florida Turnpike,” Meyer said.

Thus far, he has collected 140 signatures.

“While the noise level is noticeable east of Corbin Trail, I have spoken to Zientara Loop residents west of Corbin Trail that also hear road noise. This issue impacts property values as well as the quality of life in and outside the home,” he said.

Meyer purchased his home in May 2019 for $231,500. At least a dozen homes remain unsold on Hickey Way.
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[Bilyclub]

We looked at the new houses south of 44 many times in the last few years, but I couldn't justify the closeness to the turnpike or those power lines. We bought used north of 44 instead.

[newchapter]

Stupid! The Villages/Developer did not force you to buy this house. He/she made a very poor $200k+ decision and it is no one's fault but their own. You didn't KNOW the turnpike was there? Really?!?!

[Velvet]

I think a noise reducing barrier is a great idea, but it is not up to the developer. The house was built as it is, one bought it as it is so that’s what they got. If there had been a barrier the price they’d have to pay was higher, so if one wants a bargain there are compromises.

If you don’t like noise and you made a mistake in where you bought, the answer is you have to get a different house, somewhere else. One is smarter and wiser as a result.... better choices next time.

[Chi-Town]

The fact that the homes were built along the existing turnpike takes the onus of a sound barrier out. The end of this video closes the door.

FDOT FTE Noise Wall Overview - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bdbzGGM6vsk)

[Villageswimmer]

I think a noise reducing barrier is a great idea, but it is not up to the developer. The house was built as it is, one bought it as it is so that’s what they got. If there had been a barrier the price they’d have to pay was higher, so if one wants a bargain there are compromises.

If you don’t like noise and you made a mistake in where you bought, the answer is you have to get a different house, somewhere else. One is smarter and wiser as a result.... better choices next time.


Right. Rather than makes big issue of it, wait the obligatory year and sell. There are some folks who wouldn’t mind the noise (not me).

[TimeForChange]

Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really???




:ohdear: Just means my home on Belle Glade Golf Course will be worth more when I decide to sell since all those who bought next to the most travelled four lane in FL will be dumping those and wanting to move a little more North. Have fun.

[retiredguy123]

Right. Rather than makes big issue of it, wait the obligatory year and sell. There are some folks who wouldn’t mind the noise (not me).
You only need to wait a year if you plan to sell the house for more than you paid for it. That is not likely, since about a dozen houses are still for sale on his street.

[Jayhawk]

Ya have to do your homework....just maybe the wind was always blowing in the opposite direction whenever they looked at the house and never heard the noise from the Turnpike

while they're waiting to hear if a 'noise barrier' will be installed they can always enclose their lanai and invest in a whole house music system

Or put in a pickleball court. They'll forget all about turnpike noise after that.

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[trichard]

Agree!

[Altavia]

The fact that the homes were built along the existing turnpike takes the onus of a sound barrier out. The end of this video closes the door.

FDOT FTE Noise Wall Overview - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bdbzGGM6vsk)

Until they add a third lane to the Turnpike.

[vintageogauge]

We looked at the new houses south of 44 many times in the last few years, but I couldn't justify the closeness to the turnpike or those power lines. We bought used north of 44 instead.

You didn't see homes near the turnpike or power lines a few years ago, it has only been the recent villages that are over there. It is very peaceful and quiet in Fenney.

[NotGolfer]

I moved here from the midwest and farming country. We lived in a small rural community with near-by farms. I remember some folks that would buy a parcel from a farmer and build a house....THEN...get ready for it.....would complain about "country smells". You know, farm animal odors?!

That aside though....years ago we moved to a new state and community. Housing was scarce in our price-range and we had a weekend to look and purchase. We did that and then later found out the home while on a city-street, it was also a state highway. Didn't realize that when we put the offer in NOR realize that it was a blue-collar town that had shift workers (3 shifts per day) and traffic would ramp up a bit at the shift-change. BUT we weren't bothered by it as things turned out. I don't remember traffic noise so much but getting out of our drive-way at times, could be a beast. I don't feel sorry for the people that buy, then complain later.

[Bikeracer2009]

I would like the builder to do something about the heat, humidity and thunderstorms.

[Stu from NYC]

When we were looking last year saw several homes we liked and noticed were on a major road.

Listened to the noise and said not for us. Salesman said put up landscaping and noise will not be so bad.

Said sure and bought elsewhere. Wonder how often that happens to unsuspecting buyers?

[eyc234]

I would like the builder to do something about the heat, humidity and thunderstorms.

Also do something about the birds and bees that keep flying into my yard.:icon_wink:

[Northwoods]

I was just amazed how quickly a Turnpike was built after he bought his house...

[Ladygolfer93]

You are right, selling could be a major problem. Had a friend who bought a brand new home by the villages high school. Was very much aware of the school, didn't consider it a problem and didn't have any desire to be far from young people, nothing like that. Even stayed in a rental villa near where they bought "just to make sure what everyday life would be, noise, proximity to groceries, to church, etc." THEN once the permanent move was made..... NO WAY did they think about the huge stadium lights, the roars and cheers for the sports (and they LOVE sports, but no amount of window closing our TV turn ups, can drown out the experience of living in the middle of a stadium...it was VERY tough but an agency finally got it sold to (probably ?) someone else who thought they would be fine living by a high school but never REALLY thought about what life would be like during football, baseball, track, etc. etc. seasons. Sometimes even people who do try to be cautious, get caught off guard.... Like another friend whose yard is RIGHT next to a pickleball court, I mean RIGHT adjoining. TRY to sell that for what they paid. Eventually yes, after many years to get enough appreciation and before depreciation set in, they did move to another local in the V's, but NOT next to a rec center and neighborhood pool ! It happens.

[Stu from NYC]

You are right, selling could be a major problem. Had a friend who bought a brand new home by the villages high school. Was very much aware of the school, didn't consider it a problem and didn't have any desire to be far from young people, nothing like that. Even stayed in a rental villa near where they bought "just to make sure what everyday life would be, noise, proximity to groceries, to church, etc." THEN once the permanent move was made..... NO WAY did they think about the huge stadium lights, the roars and cheers for the sports (and they LOVE sports, but no amount of window closing our TV turn ups, can drown out the experience of living in the middle of a stadium...it was VERY tough but an agency finally got it sold to (probably ?) someone else who thought they would be fine living by a high school but never REALLY thought about what life would be like during football, baseball, track, etc. etc. seasons. Sometimes even people who do try to be cautious, get caught off guard.... Like another friend whose yard is RIGHT next to a pickleball court, I mean RIGHT adjoining. TRY to sell that for what they paid. Eventually yes, after many years to get enough appreciation and before depreciation set in, they did move to another local in the V's, but NOT next to a rec center and neighborhood pool ! It happens.

Amazing how people do not think things thru with making a rather large investment.

[Chi-Town]

Until they add a third lane to the Turnpike.

True and then the bridges will be in the news.

[Rwirish]

Welcome to south of 44.

[Nick B]

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Personally I understand their plight and issue - BUT they bought there, hopefully with the knowledge of exact location and environment. Another BUT - one would think that TV would have installed sound barrier walls as we see in many communities near highways etc, esp the Turnpike on the way to airport. One of those 'buyer beware' matters. As said before by others here, a #1 on list for us when we were considering TV lots was QUIET - no pickleball, main streets, back cart paths close to rear, etc etc.

to add some clarity - from the 'online news site'>

Villager launches petition drive over ‘unbearable’ noise from Florida Turnpike
July 22, 2020

Meta Minton
A Villager has launched a petition effort over noise from the Florida Turnpike.

Harold Meyer of the Village of Monarch Grove earlier this month took his complaint about noise from the Turnpike before the Project Wide Advisory Committee. He said the noise at his home at 5752 Hickey Way has become “unbearable.” Meyer suggested that more landscaping could be added, or perhaps even a wall. However, PWAC was not receptive to his plight.
Undeterred, Meyer has launched a petition effort in a quest to gain the support of his neighbors in the Village of Monarch Grove.

“I am spearheading a petition to ask the Developers of our community to deal with the road noise created by the Florida Turnpike,” Meyer said.

Thus far, he has collected 140 signatures.

“While the noise level is noticeable east of Corbin Trail, I have spoken to Zientara Loop residents west of Corbin Trail that also hear road noise. This issue impacts property values as well as the quality of life in and outside the home,” he said.

Meyer purchased his home in May 2019 for $231,500. At least a dozen homes remain unsold on Hickey Way.
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I grew up in Florida as the interstate system was built. I 4 cut our land in half with road within 50 Yards of my window. No AC in those days. We lived. Stop being an old baby in a few months you won't even notice.

[Shadia328]

Had to smile when I read this. Love my home in Caroline, spend 4 months a year in Michigan. Sold northern home last year, have condo now. Fell in love with low price, remodeled, very happy. However, my development is near a busy road and highway. Thought I would get used to the noise. Wrong again. However, this is a place I only spend 4 months, so putting up with it. No one to blame but myself.

[2mnydogs]

I have always used the airport analogy because I once knew someone who joined a class action suit forcing an airport to soundproof the homes they bought next to an airport. This guy got a good price figuring he could get what he wanted later for nothing. Shove his petition.

[oneclickplus]

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Meyer purchased his home in May 2019 for $231,500. At least a dozen homes remain unsold on Hickey Way.
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"Sounds" like those would be ideal properties for people with hearing loss. Lower price and no noise.

[Henryfrakl]

You do not move next to the outside movie drive in then B@*!* about the movies. Be responsible for your own decision. If it was not near the highway you would of paid $50,000 more but decided it was ok. LOL

[MandoMan]

The fact that the homes were built along the existing turnpike takes the onus of a sound barrier out. The end of this video closes the door.

FDOT FTE Noise Wall Overview - YouTube (https://youtu.be/bdbzGGM6vsk)

Thanks for sharing that video! So, the house was built after the freeway was announced, so the Florida Department of a Transportation is not responsible and won’t build a noise wall.

The owner should note that a noise wall isn’t likely to cut the volume more than 7 decibels near the wall and 5 decibels across the street. What does that mean? The decibel scale is a bit like the Richter Scale for earthquakes. 80 decibels is 100% louder than 70 decibels. 90 decibels is 100% louder than 80 decibels. (My acoustic guitar, played as loud as possible, can reach 98 decibels two feet in front of the sound hole, but ten feet away it’s not that loud.)

I have a decent decibel meter on my iPad that I downloaded from the App Store. It cost maybe $5. It’s called SPLnFFT, whatever that means. It’s very easy to use. I recommend getting one. Measure the decibel level in the back yard. Now go to the front of the house and measure the level. How many decibels less? 10? 20? If so, that is FAR more sound reduction than you would get from a wall. What is the level in the house, in various rooms? Are some rooms noisier than others? I’m in a silent room with the central air conditioning on as I write this. The decibel level is 36. A loud exhalation from two feet away raises that to 70 decibels for a moment.

I’m sorry to tell the original complainer this (not the original poster), but I think your best solution is to sell your house and buy another one as far as possible from a large road. Of course, you could end up with neighbors a few feet away who play music you can’t stand or have hearing problems and watch television on their lanai with the volume very high. Often even a normal conversational level from thirty feet away can be easily overheard. Then there are the people who talk on the telephone as if they were using two tin cans and a string—a conversational shout. Good luck.

[greenflash245]

you can't fix stupid.

[jbrown132]

No different than those buying a house on a golf course fairway. They buy the house then get upset when it gets hit buy a golf ball.

[Gunny2403]

I rent a home in a quiet neighborhood. The house backs up to a pond with houses on the other side. I’ve looked at properties, but either highway noise, golf cart traffic or dog walkers stop me from buying. Due diligence is needed along with patience. TV Realtors often sell the home without disclosing these issues. They know the problems but Commissions drive them.

[spieka1912]

Agree with #41. “Can’t fix stupid “
Huge problem in this country now, people aren’t responsible and want someone else to fix their problem.
Wake up!!

[kendi]

I know right! Did they not think it would be noisy! Maybe when they looked at it the turnpike wasn’t busy cause of the virus! But DUH! And they want me to put my name on a petition to help them! Nope. And if you bought your home “online” do a satellite search. Bet a lot of people don’t know about the prison 5 miles or so from us too!

Its 2 or 3 miles away from Fenney, and not a big deal really. TV has actually purchased land all around it, even right across the street. I'm curious to see what they have planned to develop there. Except for the sign in front you would never even know the prison existed as you pass by. I've heard the next square (or oval I've been told) will be on 470 and if true, probably not too far from the prison.

[J1ceasar]

Yes really . I want that sales person for my business!!! Or wait a few years you'll be deaf anyway

[Bay Kid]

One of these days I will be able to visit the new areas. As soon as I can reach there with my golf cart. Glad I live close to Sumter Landing.

[retiredguy123]

I have little sympathy for the complainers. Buyer beware. But, I do question why the developer built so many houses within about 300 feet of the Turnpike. I would have planned the development with some type of buffer, or common area between the houses and the highway. Perhaps a golf course fairway, pond, and trees adjacent to the Turnpike would have been better, and would have allowed higher prices for the houses. Just my opinion.

[kendi]

Agree with #41. “Can’t fix stupid “
Huge problem in this country now, people aren’t responsible and want someone else to fix their problem.
Wake up!!

There are the complainers, and then there are the name callers. Calling someone stupid does not put you on a higher playing field. Lower I'd say.

[Villages Kahuna]

Wait until the complaints begin from the new homes being sold near the federal prison because of lights at night or loudspeaker announcements. Even worse, the sounds and vibrations from the blasting at the quarry just west of the prison.

[kendi]

I have little sympathy for the complainers. Buyer beware. But, I do question why the developer built so many houses within about 300 feet of the Turnpike. I would have planned the development with some type of buffer, or common area between the houses and the highway. Perhaps a golf course fairway, pond, and trees adjacent to the Turnpike would have been better, and would have allowed higher prices for the houses. Just my opinion.

There is what looks like a buffer. As your driving along the turnpike you will notice you can only see the rooftops of the homes behind the hill they created. If I remember correctly the Gold Wing Nut commented on the buffer in one of his flyover videos.

[Lil GTO]

Never fails to amaze me how little consideration and thought people put into major purchases now days.


Really????


Villagers purchased lots/homes next to Turnpike and now they are complaining about the noise.


Really???




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[kendi]

One of these days I will be able to visit the new areas. As soon as I can reach there with my golf cart. Glad I live close to Sumter Landing.


Awe, come on now. Expand your horizons, get in your car and come on down. It's beautiful, relaxing and not crazy crowded like Sumter. And the people are wonderful to boot. Bring your bike or walking shoes to experience the miles of beautiful golf car free paths. Don't get the obsession with the "golf car" only mentality.

[Villagesgal]

No real buffer because the developer wants people to see the beautiful homes and golf courses and move here. People who buy directly behind the turnpike get dramatic price reductions. You get a great deal then complain about noise? Really?? Sorry, no sympathy for this guy at all, none at all. You viewed it, you bought it, now either live with it or sell it, but don't expect to use our CDD money to raise the value of your home.

[Fredman]

Too late to do anything because the horse is out of the barn

[vonbork]

We looked at a very nice house in Bridgeport Lake Sumter with a pool but it backed up to Buena Vista. During our two visits we took a while to sit by the pool and could hear the constant drone of the traffic. The RE agent gave it a try "it quiets down around 5 when the traffic lessens" and "after a while you won't even notice it" but we weren't buying it. I remember saying to my wife that when we sat outside we would be continually irritated by the noise. We now live in a house where we hear the train in the distance. Not enough to be troublesome, but my wife insists the agent should have told us. Unless we had visited at odd times, we wouldn't, and didn't notice it. I guess we should have talked to more neighbors. Bottom line, do your research and live with your decisions.

[gregcharlesnelson@gmail]

if you have a golf cart path in front of your home, you'd better wave to the golfers...or else

[retiredguy123]

There is what looks like a buffer. As your driving along the turnpike you will notice you can only see the rooftops of the homes behind the hill they created. If I remember correctly the Gold Wing Nut commented on the buffer in one of his flyover videos.
The news article that started this thread shows a photo of a house and a truck on the Turnpike. It doesn't look like much of a buffer.

[thelegges]

if you have a golf cart path in front of your home, you'd better wave to the golfers...or else

Golf cart paths usually are on the course where back of homes Have the view. Every front of every home can have golf carts drive by

[Stu from NYC]

Growing up in Brooklyn lived in a house about 5 miles from Kennedy Airport and if the winds were right about every 90 seconds a plane flew over making all conversation cease.

Did get used to it after awhile but made us very cognizant for the future.

[EviesGP]

I have little sympathy for the complainers. Buyer beware. But, I do question why the developer built so many houses within about 300 feet of the Turnpike. I would have planned the development with some type of buffer, or common area between the houses and the highway. Perhaps a golf course fairway, pond, and trees adjacent to the Turnpike would have been better, and would have allowed higher prices for the houses. Just my opinion.

I agree with this...the onus has to be on the buyer, but I do think some kind of remediation should have been required during the planning process of this development? And I mean, not just on the builder, but the county commission(et al)? Just my opinion.
And, yes, I'm new here, and I've already heard complaints about the noise from the prison(outside speaker announcements, etc)? It's only going to get worse, as they build south to Orlando. Cheers!

[Scorpyo]

I know right! Did they not think it would be noisy! Maybe when they looked at it the turnpike wasn’t busy cause of the virus! But DUH! And they want me to put my name on a petition to help them! Nope. And if you bought your home “online” do a satellite search. Bet a lot of people don’t know about the prison 5 miles or so from us too!
Hey - I'm not making any noise from my cell so I don't know why you brought it up!

[joecian1]

Please publish the picture of the truck passing by at the end of this poor guy’s property again?
I can’t believe what I saw and what
Was this person thinking prior to buying his home

[Scorpyo]

But, I do question why the developer built so many houses within about 300 feet of the Turnpike.
Sorry retiredguy. I've read many of your responses and I consider you one of the brighter responders (sorry other responders). I take it it's a rhetorical question as the answer is obvious. If the developer could have legally built 300 more houses on the shoulder of 75 I'm pretty sure they would have done so.

[ffresh]

I believe OP referred to news article on another site that reported a home owner in Monarch Grove is circulating a petition to neighbors asking TV to build a wall or do something to negate the noise of the Florida Turnpike and now he wants to create an issue because of his decision.

In fairness, while in my former profession, I saw MANY cities around the USA (and other countries) where multi-million dollar "noise breaker" walls were constructed to ameliorate road noise in adjacent communities. I have NO idea which entity was responsible, financially or otherwise, for getting the walls constructed, or whether it was before or after the fact. I do not believe taxpayers should be financially responsible to make a developer's product more desirable; I am only pointing out the fact that this is not unheard of and, in fact, fairly common. I wonder who the petitioner wants to finance the construction - is it the developer I would suppose?

Fred

[ffresh]

I would like the builder to do something about the heat, humidity and thunderstorms.

Have you tried a petition? :1rotfl:

Fred

[ffresh]

Amazing how people do not think things thru with making a rather large investment.

It's true, it is a large investment and, probably, the largest any given family will ever make. BUT, it is one that is only made a few times and with protracted periods between purchases. Unless guided by a knowledgeable person/entity, i.e. someone who makes this type of transaction frequently, the "unschooled" buyer can sometimes get fooled. And, no, this is no agent advertisement; I used to have a business renovating houses and bought & sold many. As a result/condition, I knew what to look/look out for - many do not.

Fred

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Personally I understand their plight and issue - BUT they bought there, hopefully with the knowledge of exact location and environment. Another BUT - one would think that TV would have installed sound barrier walls as we see in many communities near highways etc, esp the Turnpike on the way to airport. One of those 'buyer beware' matters. As said before by others here, a #1 on list for us when we were considering TV lots was QUIET - no pickleball, main streets, back cart paths close to rear, etc etc.

to add some clarity - from the 'online news site'>

Villager launches petition drive over ‘unbearable’ noise from Florida Turnpike
July 22, 2020

Meta Minton
A Villager has launched a petition effort over noise from the Florida Turnpike.

Harold Meyer of the Village of Monarch Grove earlier this month took his complaint about noise from the Turnpike before the Project Wide Advisory Committee. He said the noise at his home at 5752 Hickey Way has become “unbearable.” Meyer suggested that more landscaping could be added, or perhaps even a wall. However, PWAC was not receptive to his plight.
Undeterred, Meyer has launched a petition effort in a quest to gain the support of his neighbors in the Village of Monarch Grove.

“I am spearheading a petition to ask the Developers of our community to deal with the road noise created by the Florida Turnpike,” Meyer said.

Thus far, he has collected 140 signatures.

“While the noise level is noticeable east of Corbin Trail, I have spoken to Zientara Loop residents west of Corbin Trail that also hear road noise. This issue impacts property values as well as the quality of life in and outside the home,” he said.

Meyer purchased his home in May 2019 for $231,500. At least a dozen homes remain unsold on Hickey Way.
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Ridiculous. The highway was already there when he purchased the house. Now he wants everyone else to pay for a sound barrier? Out of his mind!

[REDCART]

Golf cart paths usually are on the course where back of homes Have the view. Every front of every home can have golf carts drive by

Not quite accurate. There are many homes that back onto Morse and Buena Vista that have a multi-modal path within 10-15’ of the home. The noise from golf carts greatly exceeds the noise from normal auto traffic by a lot.

[Scorpyo]

It's true, it is a large investment and, probably, the largest any given family will ever make. BUT, it is one that is only made a few times and with protracted periods between purchases. Unless guided by a knowledgeable person/entity, i.e. someone who makes this type of transaction frequently, the "unschooled" buyer can sometimes get fooled. And, no, this is no agent advertisement; I used to have a business renovating houses and bought & sold many. As a result/condition, I knew what to look/look out for - many do not.

Fred

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Especially when it comes to buying in TV. "The Friendliest Town. Do you like golf - great 50+ golf courses Free!. Swimming? Unlimited pools. Clubs? Literally thousands. People are so, so friendly - they would never call you stupid. This is unlike any other place in the world. Where do I sign? So, unless someone has the knowledge of what to look for or knows someone here that can guide them it's pretty easy to get caught up in the excitement of Disneyland for Seniors. And don't forget Agents have to put food on their table so sales are a must, therefore, they might just forget to mention the noise from 75 while they're reading through the huge list of of exciting things TV has to offer.

[Pommom91]

It may be the name of the street that is a sales deterrent as well. Hickey Way.. no thanks.

[Kgcetm]

What is God's name did you think it would be. Did you get out of your car to look at the house during a Thunderstorm or did you think they were going to route traffic after you moved in.

You all should push for barriers and tall trees to be planted by the developer. And if you would stop buying homes for just a month or so, they might listen.

[Henryfrakl]

You do not move next to the outside movie drive in then B@*!* about the movies. Be responsible for your own decision. If it was not near the highway you would of paid $50,000 more but decided it was ok. LOL

[Marylynn]

I live north of 44. One mile straight distance from the turnpike and I can hear, but it’s not an annoyance.

[Marylynn]

He was probably promised that a sound barrier would soon be built along with shopping, restaurants, Medical facilities, and a golf cart path to Brownwood.

[Stu from NYC]

He was probably promised that a sound barrier would soon be built along with shopping, restaurants, Medical facilities, and a golf cart path to Brownwood.

If he got a promise would hope for his sake got it in writing.

[coffeebean]

I grew up on Long Island. Every time the family took a trip to the "city" we drove on the Southern State Parkway then on to the Belt Parkway. Even as a young child, I always knew I did not ever want to live close to a main highway. There are houses visible from the parkways and I knew as a child, that living that close was not for me. Our homesite was in a very quiet neighborhood and I knew I liked the peace and quiet.

As I grew older, I realized that my initial impression was the correct one for me. If I knew, as a kid, living close to a parkway, turnpike, expressway or any other kind of main roadway was not a desirable location, any adult should realize there will be a constant traffic drone. If that is not what you want, look elsewhere for your dream home.

[coffeebean]

We looked at a very nice house in Bridgeport Lake Sumter with a pool but it backed up to Buena Vista. During our two visits we took a while to sit by the pool and could hear the constant drone of the traffic. The RE agent gave it a try "it quiets down around 5 when the traffic lessens" and "after a while you won't even notice it" but we weren't buying it. I remember saying to my wife that when we sat outside we would be continually irritated by the noise. We now live in a house where we hear the train in the distance. Not enough to be troublesome, but my wife insists the agent should have told us. Unless we had visited at odd times, we wouldn't, and didn't notice it. I guess we should have talked to more neighbors. Bottom line, do your research and live with your decisions.

Isn't that what Google Maps is for? We would not consider even looking at a home unless we looked at the site on Google Maps. No surprises that way.

[Stu from NYC]

I grew up on Long Island. Every time the family took a trip to the "city" we drove on the Southern State Parkway then on to the Belt Parkway. Even as a young child, I always knew I did not ever want to live close to a main highway. There are houses visible from the parkways and I knew as a child, that living that close was not for me. Our homesite was in a very quiet neighborhood and I knew I liked the peace and quiet.

As I grew older, I realized that my initial impression was the correct one for me. If I knew, as a kid, living close to a parkway, turnpike, expressway or any other kind of main roadway was not a desirable location, any adult should realize there will be a constant traffic drone. If that is not what you want, look elsewhere for your dream home.

Guess the people signing the petition do not get out much to understand where they are moving.

[Bilyclub]

In fairness, while in my former profession, I saw MANY cities around the USA (and other countries) where multi-million dollar "noise breaker" walls were constructed to ameliorate road noise in adjacent communities. I have NO idea which entity was responsible, financially or otherwise, for getting the walls constructed, or whether it was before or after the fact. I do not believe taxpayers should be financially responsible to make a developer's product more desirable; I am only pointing out the fact that this is not unheard of and, in fact, fairly common. I wonder who the petitioner wants to finance the construction - is it the developer I would suppose?

Fred



It's federal law if you add a lane to an existing highway, you must add sound mitigation if there are residences adjacent to the roadway.

[NJRICHARD]

We can all come up with the smart aleck phrases and comments. East to do. WHAT responsibility does The Village sales people have in telling the people the TRUTH! They KNEW about the noise when they built these homes so close to the Turnpike and went ahead because it was CHEAPER to jam in as many homes as possible. The reputation of The Villages as 'the friendliest place in America' was one of the reasons most of us bought here and I for one could NOT find one person that had anything to complain about when we bought our 6 year old place between Lake Sumter & Brownwood. Now we have people complaining. When the 20K+ homes eventually are sold, where do you think they will be playing golf? This is the big crack in the dike and if ALL those who took an agent's word for it backed by TV's reputation, now, start complaining, that is a disease spreads like wildfire.

[JoMar]

We can all come up with the smart aleck phrases and comments. East to do. WHAT responsibility does The Village sales people have in telling the people the TRUTH! They KNEW about the noise when they built these homes so close to the Turnpike and went ahead because it was CHEAPER to jam in as many homes as possible. The reputation of The Villages as 'the friendliest place in America' was one of the reasons most of us bought here and I for one could NOT find one person that had anything to complain about when we bought our 6 year old place between Lake Sumter & Brownwood. Now we have people complaining. When the 20K+ homes eventually are sold, where do you think they will be playing golf? This is the big crack in the dike and if ALL those who took an agent's word for it backed by TV's reputation, now, start complaining, that is a disease spreads like wildfire.

I believe that most people do their due diligence before buying here. There are people that drink the Kool Aid, hear from the sale agent what they want to hear and don't get it in writing, neglect to read and understand the deed restrictions and think this site is the answer to all questions Villages. The majority of us know what we purchased. The complainers are in the minority and those that do their research will continue to buy with confidence.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Ya have to do your homework....just maybe the wind was always blowing in the opposite direction whenever they looked at the house and never heard the noise from the Turnpike

while they're waiting to hear if a 'noise barrier' will be installed they can always enclose their lanai and invest in a whole house music system

Amazing how people do not think things thru with making a rather large investment.

I really wonder how these people have enough intelligence to even get out of bed in the morning.....

[cmbrown915@gmail.com]

I believe OP referred to news article on another site that reported a home owner in Monarch Grove is circulating a petition to neighbors asking TV to build a wall or do something to negate the noise of the Florida Turnpike and now he wants to create an issue because of his decision.

When we were looking for a house in Monarch Grove there was an amazing deal (thanks to the turnpike behind it!) on a house we LOVED. We passed and got another one without a deal and without the noise! We’re so happy where we are 😊!

[Stu from NYC]

We rented a house and spent a month here learning the area and talking to as many people as we could before deciding where we might want to live and where we would not.

Did not have the time to build so Fenney and the new areas were out very quickly and thought we would want to be reasonably close to the squares and shopping and restaurants on 27/441.

Wish my crystal ball would have told us about the virus but cannot have everything.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't think it's reasonable to make demands for something like a sound barrier. However I do think it's a reasonable request. Or at the very least, that the ARC and whoever is responsible for the deed restrictions at those particular residents with yards that back to the highway, be granted exemptions to the "no fence" rule, as long as the fencing is a sound barrier, and is placed between the yard and the highway (and not a next door neighbor's yard).

In other words - allow the residents to pay for and have constructed their own sound barriers between themselves and the highway, if they so choose. The town zoning commission (or county or whoever runs stuff down there) should also exempt the height restriction, if there is one. Where I came from it as a 6-foot height in the back yards, and 4' in the front. If you're creating a sound barrier you might want to go up to 10 feet in the back. I think it's a reasonable request, but it should be at the homeowner's expense.

[Marathon Man]

We can all come up with the smart aleck phrases and comments. East to do. WHAT responsibility does The Village sales people have in telling the people the TRUTH! They KNEW about the noise when they built these homes so close to the Turnpike and went ahead because it was CHEAPER to jam in as many homes as possible. The reputation of The Villages as 'the friendliest place in America' was one of the reasons most of us bought here and I for one could NOT find one person that had anything to complain about when we bought our 6 year old place between Lake Sumter & Brownwood. Now we have people complaining. When the 20K+ homes eventually are sold, where do you think they will be playing golf? This is the big crack in the dike and if ALL those who took an agent's word for it backed by TV's reputation, now, start complaining, that is a disease spreads like wildfire.

This one actually made me laugh.

[valuemkt]

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Personally I understand their plight and issue - BUT they bought there, hopefully with the knowledge of exact location and environment. Another BUT - one would think that TV would have installed sound barrier walls as we see in many communities near highways etc, esp the Turnpike on the way to airport. One of those 'buyer beware' matters. As said before by others here, a #1 on list for us when we were considering TV lots was QUIET - no pickleball, main streets, back cart paths close to rear, etc etc.

to add some clarity - from the 'online news site'>

Villager launches petition drive over ‘unbearable’ noise from Florida Turnpike
July 22, 2020

Meta Minton
A Villager has launched a petition effort over noise from the Florida Turnpike.

Harold Meyer of the Village of Monarch Grove earlier this month took his complaint about noise from the Turnpike before the Project Wide Advisory Committee. He said the noise at his home at 5752 Hickey Way has become “unbearable.” Meyer suggested that more landscaping could be added, or perhaps even a wall. However, PWAC was not receptive to his plight.
Undeterred, Meyer has launched a petition effort in a quest to gain the support of his neighbors in the Village of Monarch Grove.

“I am spearheading a petition to ask the Developers of our community to deal with the road noise created by the Florida Turnpike,” Meyer said.

Thus far, he has collected 140 signatures.

“While the noise level is noticeable east of Corbin Trail, I have spoken to Zientara Loop residents west of Corbin Trail that also hear road noise. This issue impacts property values as well as the quality of life in and outside the home,” he said.

Meyer purchased his home in May 2019 for $231,500. At least a dozen homes remain unsold on Hickey Way.
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I live in Monarch Grove and would NOT sign a petition. Do some searches and you will find that noise barrier walls deflect noise down wind .. either impacting other people, or increasing any issues that exist for some owners.. The sometimes "white noise" from the Turnpike is acceptable.., certainly nothing compared to barking dogs in kissing lanai's .. Should you be successful in getting what you think may solve YOUR problem, you could easily become a victim of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

[curtmcgee]

Caveat Emptor is Latin for "No Turnpike"

[rugbyjohn]

Hmmm. Logic!

[Ga.dawg]

Bought in Marsh Bend , we here a little noise but not enough to worry with, sounds like this guy just needs to build something himself , solve his problem, not make one for someone else

[Stu from NYC]

Bought in Marsh Bend , we here a little noise but not enough to worry with, sounds like this guy just needs to build something himself , solve his problem, not make one for someone else

Very true he did buy a house right by an interstate.

[Timothyimitchell]

The houses on the Turnpike are dramatically reduced. Some Up to 50K less than being in a quieter neighborhood. The buyers knew why they were reduced. Deal with it, and quit bi***ing!

[Stu from NYC]

The houses on the Turnpike are dramatically reduced. Some Up to 50K less than being in a quieter neighborhood. The buyers knew why they were reduced. Deal with it, and quit bi***ing!

Price reduction probably due to value of land not worth as much as quieter more desirable areas. Buyer should have realized he was getting a bargain and why that was.

As a wise man once said "Aint no free lunch"

[kpd3062]

It's federal law if you add a lane to an existing highway, you must add sound mitigation if there are residences adjacent to the roadway.

I had read that there were plans to add a lane to the turnpike. Did the developer knowing this leave it out so the State D.O.T. Would pick up the bill? If so, smart move. If the developer had built it, wouldn’t the cost just be added to the bond in those areas? No real loss for the developer? Just a thought.

[Chi-Town]

I had read that there were plans to add a lane to the turnpike. Did the developer knowing this leave it out so the State D.O.T. Would pick up the bill? If so, smart move. If the developer had built it, wouldn’t the cost just be added to the bond in those areas? No real loss for the developer? Just a thought.

If they decide to add a third lane it would be years before a sound barrier is built. And what about the bridges? OP is doomed for now.

[Barborv]

Another solution is glass in the lanai.

[Topspinmo]

Not much different from buying a house near an airport, or near a firehouse, or near a factory, on a busy street, etc. The deal was too good to pass up, now change the world for me!! Maybe he bought it on the internet. At least with Amazon you can return it.

I use to go to gun range outside of town few miles by county lake. No house around. Then developers put in or houses couple miles down the road. Yep, you guessed it. Complaining about noise. Course the county carpetbaggers gave in ANd closed down the range. Same thing happened to drag strip I used go to.

[Joe V.]

I use to go to gun range outside of town few miles by county lake. No house around. Then developers put in or houses couple miles down the road. Yep, you guessed it. Complaining about noise. Course the county carpetbaggers gave in ANd closed down the range. Same thing happened to drag strip I used go to.

Raceway Park?

[queasy27]

The houses on the Turnpike are dramatically reduced. Some Up to 50K less than being in a quieter neighborhood.

I wanted to live in a specific historic neighborhood when I was in Denver and bought a cute semi-detached (duplex) on a busy street. Why? Because I couldn't afford a single family home on one of the interior streets!

Had new casement windows installed and made do.

[EdFNJ]

Growing up in Brooklyn lived in a house about 5 miles from Kennedy Airport and if the winds were right about every 90 seconds a plane flew over making all conversation cease.

Did get used to it after awhile but made us very cognizant for the future.
We were in the departure path of Newark airport about 8 miles to the SW. I feel your pain. Cars all around were constantly covered with "stuff" from the planes engines. Even when they changed the flight paths it made hardly any difference. What a pleasure moving down here to "the sticks."

[Dgizzi]

No surprise here. Goes along with people griping about the gates or the presence of golf carts after they move here.
WHAT? People complain bout golf carts! Unreal!

[Dgizzi]

You didn't see homes near the turnpike or power lines a few years ago, it has only been the recent villages that are over there. It is very peaceful and quiet in Fenney.
What is the issue with power lines?

[Dekogut60]

We also bought a house in Monarch Grove and looked at houses on Hickey Way. One stop and a walk to the backyard and we knew that there was no way we would buy on that street. The price drew us there but the noise was not for us. We are a few blocks away and love it there. You need to do your homework before you buy.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Bought in Marsh Bend , we here a little noise but not enough to worry with, sounds like this guy just needs to build something himself , solve his problem, not make one for someone else

My thought was about the word "unbearable". It seems to me that some people ted to exaggerate some problems.

[Stu from NYC]

My thought was about the word "unbearable". It seems to me that some people ted to exaggerate some problems.

Let me tell you about unbearable

My wife grew up in Coney Island Brooklyn at a junction of 4 subway lines. All night long you would hear screeching from subway cars every few minutes as they applied their brakes.

No A/C in the building so during the summer had to leave windows open.

Wife and her parents claimed they got used to it. Now that was unbearable to me.

[Bilyclub]

What is the issue with power lines?


Pros and Cons of Living near the Power Lines - My Pros and Cons (http://myprosandcons.com/energy/pros-and-cons-of-living-near-the-power-l)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Let me tell you about unbearable

My wife grew up in Coney Island Brooklyn at a junction of 4 subway lines. All night long you would hear screeching from subway cars every few minutes as they applied their brakes.

No A/C in the building so during the summer had to leave windows open.

Wife and her parents claimed they got used to it. Now that was unbearable to me.

Yet somehow they were able to bear it.

[Stu from NYC]

Yet somehow they were able to bear it.

They did and lived there for over 25 years.

[Velvet]

Pros and Cons of Living near the Power Lines - My Pros and Cons (http://myprosandcons.com/energy/pros-and-cons-of-living-near-the-power-l)

Being near power lines: one can measure the EMF at all levels through out the property and outside with a meter from Amazon. Maybe worth it since unlike noise you can’t tell by just being there. Some people are susceptible to these waves and may develop cancer etc. with noise there is a decibel app for your phone you can use to measure the level.

[WEHOWL]

TV sales agents, nor any other decent agent, assumes items are negative to a buyer. They should ASSUME nothing. Agents aren't selfishly ONLY interested in commissions. Sadly, we are a species of generalities. Not everyone is the same in thought, word,or deed.

[Stu from NYC]

TV sales agents, nor any other decent agent, assumes items are negative to a buyer. They should ASSUME nothing. Agents aren't selfishly ONLY interested in commissions. Sadly, we are a species of generalities. Not everyone is the same in thought, word,or deed.

If not only interested in commissions, how about mostly?