Trolls!!!!

[Texasmuleskinner]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

[Jayhawk]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

As a TOTV member for 6 years, did you not know these were against the rules in several of the districts in The Villages?

If you did, then you knew you were violating the deed restrictions you agreed to. If you didn't, then the person reporting you did you a favor.

"Style of religion" is not part of the deed restrictions.

[FLSunshine]

Agree with Jayhawk. It has nothing to do with being a cross since I proudly display mine inside my house but the fact you agreed to the deed restriction is the issue. Display it inside your house proudly, on your body proudly, or anywhere else proudly except the agreement when you purchased your home.

[Arctic Fox]

... I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported...

Ask your neighbors if they have been told to remove their crosses/ornaments

[Villageswimmer]

Let it go. Life’s too short.

[Stu from NYC]

We are not Christian but a small cross in front of somone' s house is of no interest to us.

Wonder what happens Christmastime around here?

[davem4616]

Let it go. Life’s too short.


I agree...life is too short, just let it go

give it a place of honor somewhere inside your home

[trichard]

Follow the rules!

[thelegges]

We are not Christian but a small cross in front of somone' s house is of no interest to us.

Wonder what happens Christmastime around here?

Outdoor holiday decorations can be displayed for 30 days. Our neighborhood does a great job at Halloween

[vintageogauge]

Don't live in fear, follow your deed restrictions and you will have no problems.

[Stu from NYC]

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

[Villageswimmer]

In our previous neighborhood, we had a man—a real hothead—who didn’t have his lawn mowed and let weeds grow. The place was an eyesore. We all liked the anonymous system. It would have been very risky to confront him directly or attach a neighbor’s name to a complaint.

No telling how he would have retaliated.

Why should someone like this get away with violations through intimidation?

He didn’t.

[CanTho]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

The Villages is a " Deed Restricted Community " . Enough said.

[tvbound]

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

That's what we were told.

[njbchbum]

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!

[Stu from NYC]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!

Would have thought the villages would have been more uniform as to standards.

[Marvic 1]

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

Correct, some places get their areas manicured better then others. Could be because of County efforts and not the Villages.... :shrug:

[Marvic 1]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!

I like the atmosphere view of the Historic Side for some reason, much more personal touches then the military-base view of others..

[BobnBev]

Wait till you see my yard at Christmas time. 50+ white crosses, all sizes, c'mon troll's check it out.:bigbow:

[queasy27]

Calling people "trolls" because they report deed restrictions is indicative of childish self entitlement. Flouting the rules is wrong, not enforcing them.

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

The deeds have evolved in the decades since The Villages was first established, with many new restrictions added. Older villages are normally grandfathered in and are not required to adhere to newer rules. (No "for sale" signs being one fairly recent exception.) It's why whenever anyone here asks what they can and cannot do, the only answer is for them to read their own document.

The Historic District has rules about mobile home skirting and notifying the developer if residents will be gone for more than 7 days, but nothing against lawn ornaments or seasonal decorations all year. Homeowners could install a cemetery full of white crosses on their lawns and would have a good defense should anyone complain.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Coward - rat line - that’s all it is - he’s knows who rated him out . Watch your back . You should have asked maybe there was good reason why this was occurring.

[starman215]

Just put it back.

[pvetrano1]

Oh my God, don't we have other stuff to worry about right now ? Is a little white cross in someone yard really bothering you ?

[TJ_Woody]

There’s one thing I’d like TV to change in their reporting policy. Let the reporter remain anonymous, but when the inspector goes out to check the violation he or she must also go out and inspect the reporter’s home for violations as well.

[Slapnut]

That is one reason I won't live in a homeowners association community. They can act like the gestapo. The more you comply the farther they go. Your cross isn't hurting anyone. Too much time on their hands. It's all about control but with so many excuses to explain why they need to control your life.

[sdeikenberry]

To the author: you say it was trolls, but you were the only one they targeted? That seems strange...maybe it was a neighbor you don't get along with? You say you're a Christian but would like to introduce the complainer to "your style of religion." That sounds aggressive and you've demonstrated a very good reason the anonymous system is in place. The bottom line is you violated your covenants...deal with it. That other neighbors haven't been turned in is the way life is...not always fair.

[algi45]

Put it up on your house. Having said that, it is clear that these restrictions are unevenly applied.

[BryanTheGolfPro]

. . . when they allowed signage on the roads in front of the various country clubs recently that announced curbside meal pickup service (during our pandemic). Ergo, therefore and consequently, I deem this newly-created precedent by the developer to also apply to ME! So, I'll put up signage within the confines of MY property as I may see fit. Quid pro quo, Baby! Two sets of rules = hypocrisy. Bring it on!

[tvbound]

To the author: you say it was trolls, but you were the only one they targeted? That seems strange...maybe it was a neighbor you don't get along with? You say you're a Christian but would like to introduce the complainer to "your style of religion." That sounds aggressive and you've demonstrated a very good reason the anonymous system is in place. The bottom line is you violated your covenants...deal with it. That other neighbors haven't been turned in is the way life is...not always fair.

"You say you're a Christian but would like to introduce the complainer to "your style of religion." That sounds aggressive and you've demonstrated a very good reason the anonymous system is in place."


I completely agree. There's really only one reason that someone would want to know the name of the people turning them in for deed violations and that would be for retaliation of some sort.

[banjobob]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.
The old trolls , a drive around many neighborhoods will reveal many violations, follow the directive for now then put it back out.

[Coal Miner]

Troll? Really? Did you consider that your VIOLATION was most likely reported by a neighbor who wants to live in a neighborhood with standards we all agreed with?

[Annie66]

What upsets me (although not enough to loose sleep over) is the inconsistency of enforcement. Deed restrictions are fine ...... but their enforcement relies on neighbors snitching on others.

[rruais]

It seems to me that a display of a cross is a mode of speech. It may be interpreted as evangelizing and would therefore come under freedom of religion. I am not a lwywer but I do not think that you can sign away any of your freedoms, either of speech or religion. Perhaps it is the restriction that is illegal?

[LG999]

This is terrible harassment & censorship.
We can always fly our flag (following flag protocol) and display the cross.
Over the past few years people are trying to get us to stop claiming it is “offensive” for them to see these symbols.

[billethkid]

So in other words some districts allow it and some do not?

Not so much allowed as unreported. Unreported violations do not equal being allowed.

Some districts do not have busy bodies running around with a clip board and magnifying glass looking for problems.

[gloriahoff@comcast.net]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.
Amen!

[birdawg]

Wait till you see my yard at Christmas time. 50+ white crosses, all sizes, c'mon troll's check it out.:bigbow:

Think Easter.

[greenflash245]

you were singled out by by someone who has a grudge, or something similar.

[Janlindsey4@gmail.com]

One thing we in our neighborhood have found out: if a homeowner wishes to display a cross, it can be displayed inside the home, perhaps inside a window...no troll can dispute that. So sorry that your area does not allow displaying a symbol of your faith.

[mike1921]

I would be interested in what people would say if others in our community started placing other religious symbols in their yards. Some examples: the star and crescent (muslim), a budda statue, the om (hiduism). I think you get the picture.

[Travelhunter]

There’s one thing I’d like TV to change in their reporting policy. Let the reporter remain anonymous, but when the inspector goes out to check the violation he or she must also go out and inspect the reporter’s home for violations as well.
Great idea

[FosterMomma]

I would be interested in what people would say if others in our community started placing other religious symbols in their yards. Some examples: the star and crescent (muslim), a budda statue, the om (hiduism). I think you get the picture.

I was wondering the same thing

[graciegirl]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

A person came to your house? I understood that people are sent a message and that they have options to move things close to the house under the eaves. Also as you know it has to be reported for a homeowner to get a message in the mail. Someone reported the white cross and community standard responded. That is how it works. It has nothing to do with "a style of religion" and has to do with rules on the deed. If anyone wants to report violations of the deed restrictions they can anonymously but you will not be notified unless they are indeed a restriction. Most of the people who live here like the restrictions that keep people from ornamenting their yard. I would also guess that people are not at all offended by the Christian symbol at all, just that someone put something in the yard when all ornaments are restricted unless permission is given by ARC. I am sorry you are hurt and angry. I feel it has nothing to do with the White Cross at all.

Most people support the deed restrictions and most people would not hurt anyone's feelings. I think anonymous reporting is cheaper and better. Many of us moved from other areas that had restrictions on ornamentations or yard art. I don't think there are many here who do not share your respect of the cross and if they aren't Christian they would not want to hurt your feelings either. I think you just got reported for having an unallowed lawn ornament.

[kendi]

Sounds like you are saying its okay for you to break the rules if others are doing it. I appreciate seeing Christian symbols, but not if it means breaking the rules that were agreed to when purchasing the house.

[oemsp1]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.
Unmask the trolls.....

[Cranford61]

That is one reason I won't live in a homeowners association community. They can act like the gestapo. The more you comply the farther they go. Your cross isn't hurting anyone. Too much time on their hands. It's all about control but with so many excuses to explain why they need to control your life.
It is hurtful and a micro-aggression on people who don’t believe as you do. It’s public exclusionary mocking..akin to wearing blackface.

[merrymini]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

Depending on the village, these crosses, all of them, including other items cannot be displayed on the front lawn. Everyone here signed an agreement when they purchased their house and it is their responsibility to honor it. I believe they respond to specific complaints but they should respond to ANY infraction when seen. Your religious beliefs are your own.

[Manhoopty]

Interesting...I am hoping it’s not a “style of religion” but a Personal Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Am I correct?

[Bay Kid]

Our VA governor has created a site for trolls. Report anybody on line in the whole state that bothers them. Trollville

[merrymini]

It seems to me that a display of a cross is a mode of speech. It may be interpreted as evangelizing and would therefore come under freedom of religion. I am not a lwywer but I do not think that you can sign away any of your freedoms, either of speech or religion. Perhaps it is the restriction that is illegal?
Would you feel the same if someone put a swatstika out?

[graciegirl]

Found this about people who love or hate deed restrictions;

Should you buy in deed-restricted neighborhoods in St. Petersburg, Florida? (https://www.stpetersburgrealestate.com/blog/neighborhood-choices-to-go-deed-restricted-or-not/)

[17362]

That is one reason I won't live in a homeowners association community. They can act like the gestapo. The more you comply the farther they go. Your cross isn't hurting anyone. Too much time on their hands. It's all about control but with so many excuses to explain why they need to control your life.

It’s a deed restriction community...
You won’t live in one? You don’t live in The Villages?
I saw a couple people posted on this that have only posted 1x
Are these “trolls” invading our forums whom have nothing to do with our community?

[rlcooper70]

Seems you have taken this personally ... and while that may be the case ... in terms of philosophy I think that the friendliness of our little community can be enhanced by making sure that people of other faiths are welcome and feel welcome. If all of us put up crosses then it kind of says that anyone without a cross is "different' and perhaps "not welcome" .... so there is a message that perhaps we do not have to send.

I think everyone knows that our country (~ 80% in 2000) is a Christian nation ... and most recognize that the melting pot wants everyone to feel comfortable as well.

Just a thought to add ... sorry you seem singled out.

[BaylorBear]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!


Forgive me, but I take a great deal of offence from your remark about the historical section of The Villages! Quite frankly, we love our area with its huge trees, library, lovely swimming pools and country club. It is the dream life for persons of middle income of being fortunate enough to live and are able to enjoy the precise amenities that you do with some significant additions like free basic cable and free trash pick up. Our neighborhoods are just as nice as yours with a very few exceptions. I believe that your remark was snarky at best and could have been construed as mean spirited, snotty and your mother would be ashamed of you for being such a bigoted person. We do not denigrate your village, do not denigrate ours. We are second generation Villagers and our family has watched our community grow since 1985, and sometimes, not for the better. Thank you for your attention.

[thelegges]

It’s a deed restriction community...
You won’t live in one? You don’t live in The Villages?
I saw a couple people posted on this that have only posted 1x
Are these “trolls” invading our forums whom have nothing to do with our community?

Yes, it would be nice if there was a way next to posters name so you know who lives here and those who are just dreaming they do

[Michael A. David]

I put my white cross on top of my lamp post.

[Gizemo33]

/// What is the telephone number to report Deed Restriction Violations? If someone could please reply and give me a valid number, I would like to take advantage of the anonymous reporting system to report numerous neighbors that I don't get along with and don't like because every last one of them has some sort of deed violation. It is very important to me that I have the appropriate telephone number so that I can anonymously report them and watch as they receive letters and then the dreaded knock on the door. FYI, someone Actually had the audacity of putting out a couple of ant ornaments and a very expensive bird. Three people actually had rocks, big huge rocks, delivered and heavy equipment had to be used to put them in the front yard and they are not under the eaves of the house construction. Another neighbor has big bright lights, pointed at THEIR OWN HOUSE, all around the whole house and it's so bright that I have to close my blinds to go to sleep at night. These people think they're all privileged. Oh I forgot to tell you three of them also have the little white crosses, one has a little dog and another has the American flag but not on a pole standing upright it's on one of those things that are used for ornamental flags. This is totally unacceptable and I refuse to stand for it any more. I am a lonely old person and I need to make my neighbors as unhappy as I am!!! I need the appropriate telephone number. Please please please give me the number
Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

[Kgcetm]

We have flakes in the villages as we have everywhere. They want to feel as if they can control things watthour showing their face. They are the gutless cowards who write anonymous letters to you or to the DRC asking that you conform to the abject nothingness that they call their lives. Somehow it makes them feel better but probably about themselves.

I got a letter and found that as long as I removed the offending cross for one day, the person would have to file yet another complaint with the DRC, another letter would be sent and I would go through the same process once again. The person asking is a fool. The enforcement folks can only enforce the cross where it is today. They cannot enforce where it is tomorrow.

Live life and enjoy. And if anyone happens to know the name of any of the trolls whos drive around our neighbor hoods please post their names and license numbers for the rest of us. We're sick of them and would like for them to go back where they came from.

[smacquart]

Not coming directly to you first before reporting it is the way of cowards. Unacceptable.
However, i believe that politics and religion are personal subjects and, no matter how strong our convictions, they don’t need to be displayed on lawns.

[BillyG2327]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.
Trolls are disgusting--mind your own business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gizemo33]

/// Christians need to organize a strong and forceful response to the CDD8 board.The entire anonymous reporting system needs to be totally overhauled. At issue is;
1) North of 466 there are no restrictions.
2) South of 466 there are restrictions for items deemed as LAWN ORNAMENTS.
3) The reporting of violations is via an anonymous complaint system.
4) The anonymous complaint can be made by non-residents.
5) Did you know that according to the prior CDD counsel MS Fuchs, "when you purchase a home here, you give up some of your Constitutional rights" That was her response to the statement that per the Constitution the accused has the right to face the accuser.
6) Per the new Florida state law, you can plant a garden in the front yard of your home. If you use the little white crosses to hold up you tomato plants, they NO LONGER can be considered LAWN ORNAMENTS.
7) The anonymous complaints only effect the address that the troll provided. This means, if 3 homes in a row each have a little white cross and the anonymous complaint is directed to the middle home, the neighbor's on each side can keep their crosses on display and ARE NOT asked to remove them. 8) Signs in window of homes are also considered in violation of the deed restrictions. Until recently, the trump 2020 signs in home windows, where not being reported. Now they ARE being anonymously reported and required to be removed.
9) The DRR have been found to vary from village to village.
We need to get all of our clergy involved and at the NEXT CDD8 meeting. Let them speak and protect our Christian rights!!!QUOTE=cypressmark33;1807661]Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.[/QUOTE]

[E Cascade]

Paint a cross on the front of your home. I don't think anyone has the right to stop your right to expression of your religion. I don't care what your deed says. Nothing has the right to subordinate your federal rights in this country. I know you have a right to know who has reported you, because FL has a law on repeated harassment and the penalty for doing that. You have your rights too. Succombing to your loss of your religious expression on your own property is the first step to Chinese-over life style.

[Gizemo33]

/// FYI, The governor of the state of Florida signed a bill which states that you can plant a garden in your front lawn. "Yes a garden in your front lawn" and the Villages covenants/deed restrictions cannot, let me repeat cannot supersede or overturn this state law.

What I suggest we all do with our little white crosses is to simply go to Lowe's or Home Depot purchase tomato plants add the tomato plants to your front shrubs and in front of them put the white cross with a string tied to the tomato plant.

When you get the dreaded knock on the door, you simply explain -- that is not a white cross -- that is a steak holding up my tomato plant. "End of argument."

Also don't forget the ACLJ is suing to get the deed restrictions overturned.

God bless Jay Sekulow!!!
QUOTE=cypressmark33;1807661]Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.[/QUOTE]

[Mohawksin]

Confusion will continue in this thread until you identify what district you are in whether 'offender' or making a comment. Said earlier, there are apparent inconsistencies due to districts defined as a function of time.

[Dust Bunny]

As a TOTV member for 6 years, did you not know these were against the rules in several of the districts in The Villages?

If you did, then you knew you were violating the deed restrictions you agreed to. If you didn't, then the person reporting you did you a favor.

"Style of religion" is not part of the deed restrictions.
Check with the Villages to see if there is such a statute. Someone may be blowing smoke

[larcha]

Isn't the issue uniformity of enforcement rather than compliance with deed restrictions? If a deed restriction isn't worth enforcement without trolling maybe the restriction should be removed. Other than that, yes you signed up to agree to the restrictions but like most other legal small print most buyers fail to read it.

[Pommom91]

Is there an online link somewhere that I could use to find out what the deed restrictions are for outdoor decorations in district 12?

[PennBF]

A basic question is why do some feel the need to put a "White Cross" in their yards. We are Christians but would never use our belief in an attempt to push it on others or to brag about being a Christian? If it is to accomplish either of these you may want to revisit the basis for your faith and the governing source to identify that it is exactly why that does the opposite. This is a classic case of shooting the messenger. If you are violating a rule of the community and are called out for doing so then you should be ashamed of yourself and held accountable for your actions. The Troll's are to be commended for trying to keep the community at the highest of standards which it was designed to be. :pray:

[graciegirl]

Deed restrictions in communities are not new. When you buy here you agree to the deed restrictions. Some people think people should not be anonymous when they report you. BUT...that means for hard feelings at every neighborhood gathering, rather than just suspicions and that also means many of us leave for long periods of times..if you get my drift.

A huge majority of people who live in The Villages, close to 90% like the deed restrictions and the anonymous reporting. Sadly, we ALL think we have great style and taste and are a good barometer of what looks nice and what people agree with.

Fortunately, even in this Pandemic, homes here sell quickly and for a profit and people who are extremely upset about the rules that were here ALWAYS can sell and find a place that has no deed restrictions.

If you have been reported on an infringement, don't take it personally or take it as a hostile act. Only as a way to keep the community well kept and to keep property values high and to protect YOU and your neighbors from the dreadful bend over lady painted plywood cut out.

Home made yard ornament of painted bend over lady - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Home+made+yard+ornament+of+painted+bend+o ver+lady&form=HDRSC2&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover)

[Spalumbos62]

Confusion will continue in this thread until you identify what district you are in whether 'offender' or making a comment. Said earlier, there are apparent inconsistencies due to districts defined as a function of time.

The person stated their address- that should work.
Honestly, I love the tomato plant idea. Sounds like the start of a new movement 👍

[Number 10 GI]

I understand the deed restrictions and comply with them. There was a house in a neighborhood where my friend lived and the owner made up holidays and designed the decorations used to commemorate that "holiday". It was pretty bad, looked trashy rather than decorative and tasteful, however there were no codes that prohibited it.
My problem with the system used here is the anonymous reporting. This is a system used by every repressive government that has existed. People are urged and sometimes rewarded for reporting neighbors that have said something against the leader or the government and in many cases were not true, just a vindictive person getting even with someone they didn't like. This system builds distrust, suspicion and a general feeling of insecurity. It destroys the concept of neighborhood.
The credibility of the community standards office is lost when the standards inspector comes to the reported home to confirm the complaint but ignores similar violations on other homes and does nothing about them. There are security patrols that go through all the villages, why not require them to note violations and provide that to the standards office? I am more comfortable with that system than the anonymous reporting of violation that are very possibly vindictive in nature.

[jfkilduff]

I don’t think there are really any TROLLS I believe our neighbors are doing the complaining.

[Buckeye Bob]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

Just remove it for a week and then put it in a slightly different spot.

[ProfessorDave]

As a TOTV member for 6 years, did you not know these were against the rules in several of the districts in The Villages?

If you did, then you knew you were violating the deed restrictions you agreed to. If you didn't, then the person reporting you did you a favor.

"Style of religion" is not part of the deed restrictions.

By definition - this response is one of a bureaucrat personality. The rules are the rules.

One of the most famous business philosophers put it simply - relating to people types - not actual jobs: PETER DRUCKER: "Manager thinking do things right - Leader thinking does the right thing."

[PennBF]

Try reading Matthew 6:5-6. It should help in understanding why cross bragging is not in line with Scripture. :popcorn:

[Llaperle]

To be in compliance with the white cross: it can be put on your door or made to be part of a flower pot like I did.
Not sure, but maybe it can also be attached to your lamp post.

[thelegges]

OP your option is to move north where the restrictions are less. Most likely the person that turned you in, was in fact dealt the same hand.
They had something that did not fit the deed restrictions everyone signed, and therefore are out to do a cleanse of others.

Everyone thinks this is about religious beliefs, if you had a purple frog in the same place it would still be a violation.

[Smalley]

I agree...life is too short, just let it go

give it a place of honor somewhere inside your home
There are so many ways to practice your religion. Removing the cross is a small gesture to accommodate your development and your neighbors. Good for you to take it inside.
Indeed, life is too short!

[KRM0614]

If you’re offended by trolls why do you check out others like a troll. Looks hypocritical. Stop worrying about others and zip it

[LucyP]

Place inside window looking out. Older section are allow.

[Marshaw]

Sounds like someone doesnt like religions.

[roob1]

There would be absolutely no discussion of the cross issue, trolls etc. if you just follow the rules. This is so basic.

Anything that happens as a result of an owner not following the rules is to be blamed on the violator. It makes no difference who reported what.

Unfortunately there are owners who feel entitled, then take no responsibility for the actions...just blame others.

[Marvic 1]

Why worry so much about a piece of wood painted white if Jesus is supposedly in your heart.

Ever notice homeowners of these crosses place then in different angles of their house so everyone can see them from the street. Its kind of saying look at me I’m a Christian but hide behind it while doing their devilish deeds to others, it happened to me…
Crosses or any other religious symbols belong in a Church, Graves or around the neck….. :ho:

[Indydealmaker]

Don't live in fear, follow your deed restrictions and you will have no problems.

The "little white crosses" are allowed because FCC regulations are superior to deed restrictions. These crosses are simply devices that are used to communicate with God. No different than satellite dishes or antennae, but more critical.

[Marvic 1]

:bowdown: The "little white crosses" are allowed because FCC regulations are superior to deed restrictions. These crosses are simply devices that are used to communicate with God. No different than satellite dishes or antennae, but more critical.

How funny is that, never looked at it that way! :1rotfl:

[Texasmuleskinner]

I know the rules --- they are being broken all over the villages and with very little consequences. With the exception of putting the white cross in my front yard, I have complied with them all. What I would like to see is that Community Standards do the checking and enforcing the rules, NOT trolls who can selectively report any one and anything they want. Also, if I wanted to report any individual I would not hesitate to use my name.

[graciegirl]

I know the rules --- they are being broken all over the villages and with very little consequences. With the exception of putting the white cross in my front yard, I have complied with them all. What I would like to see is that Community Standards do the checking and enforcing the rules, NOT trolls who can selectively report any one and anything they want. Also, if I wanted to report any individual I would not hesitate to use my name.

That would require a paid job to manage that when we can do it for free. You can tell I am a fiscal......nevermind.

And if you used your name, they still wouldn't tell anyone. But if people HAD to use their name, then people would know who told on them and it would be uncomfortable to go to get togethers and people might just try to let their dogs...visit your yard or might poop on it themselves. I say anonymity is the best and the not paying someone is the best, just like it is now.

[deebrock]

Other then for religion what do the white crosses stand for.

[Texasmuleskinner]

To the author: you say it was trolls, but you were the only one they targeted? That seems strange...maybe it was a neighbor you don't get along with? You say you're a Christian but would like to introduce the complainer to "your style of religion." That sounds aggressive and you've demonstrated a very good reason the anonymous system is in place. The bottom line is you violated your covenants...deal with it. That other neighbors haven't been turned in is the way life is...not always fair.

"My style of religion" is not aggresive. What I meant it to say is "everyone can believe in what they choose". Choices people, Choices!!!

[Jayhawk]

By definition - this response is one of a bureaucrat personality. The rules are the rules.

One of the most famous business philosophers put it simply - relating to people types - not actual jobs: PETER DRUCKER: "Manager thinking do things right - Leader thinking does the right thing."

I'm not a famous business philosopher (heck, I'm not any kind of philosopher). But I am a homeowner who bought my house expecting others to comply with the deed resrictions THEY AGREED TO. You dont have to like it. Because yes, the rules ARE the rules.

[wirenail444]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.
You might want to ask any community standards people that knock on your door for ID. It is my understanding that they communicate any perceived offense in writinging through the mail. Also, correct me if I am wrong. There was a flap about crosses last year that went to the courts. The outcome, if I remember correctly, was that the removal of crosses could not be unforced due to religious feeedom or svonething along those lines. Can anybody confirm this.

[GOLFER54]

Trolls Suck !

[Marvic 1]

if I remember correctly, was that the removal of crosses could not be unforced due to religious feeedom or svonething along those lines. Can anybody confirm this.

Putting up white crosses is NOT Freedom of Religion, its more of an Advertisement or Promoting a religion...

[Gizemo33]

You should come by and look at my front yard. The Crosses are holding up beautiful red tomato plants. They are growing with such abundance, perhaps because the crosses are holding them up, and I have so many that when people stop to look and comment, I give them a half a dozen. Perhaps now everybody can appreciate the value of a little white cross.The person stated their address- that should work.
Honestly, I love the tomato plant idea. Sounds like the start of a new movement 👍

[bigloug]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!

The Trolls are employees of the Villages. The Villages uses this way to keep their hands clean so that they can say somebody complained. The trolls have no BALLS to confront anybody. Fair warning at some point in time the trolls identity will be found out and then The Villages management will really have a big problem.

[roob1]

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You should come by and look at my front yard. The Crosses are holding up beautiful red tomato plants. They are growing with such abundance, perhaps because the crosses are holding them up, and I have so many that when people stop to look and comment, I give them a half a dozen. Perhaps now everybody can appreciate the value of a little white cross.

[The Caretaker]

A lot of faith haters here.

[CWGUY]

Trolls Suck !

:) That's one opinion..... I think people that agree to follow rules and then don't suck even more. And I also think that people that defend the rule breakers suck the most. This is all just IMHO. :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

I'm very interested to learn which religion requires its adherents to stick white crosses on their lawns. Is that some off-shoot of Christianity? Because I searched the old testament, and the new, and even the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic texts and the Talmud, and I find absolutely zero reference to "white cross" or "front lawn."

I do see that you must bind the ten commandments as a sign upon your gates, but that is the law for the mezuzzah and it goes on the frame of your door, or can be affixed to your actual gate, if you have one. And, that would only be if you're Jewish - and it wouldn't be a cross. And it doesn't have to be white.

[Ga.dawg]

Put it on the inside of the Front window of Your home

[Jayhawk]

:) That's one opinion..... I think people that agree to follow rules and then don't suck even more. And I also think that people that defend the rule breakers suck the most. This is all just IMHO. :ho:

:coolsmiley::coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

[Marathon Man]

You might want to ask any community standards people that knock on your door for ID. It is my understanding that they communicate any perceived offense in writinging through the mail. Also, correct me if I am wrong. There was a flap about crosses last year that went to the courts. The outcome, if I remember correctly, was that the removal of crosses could not be unforced due to religious feeedom or svonething along those lines. Can anybody confirm this.

Not sure what you are thinking of, but I know of no such case or ruling. If there were such a ruling, why would the OP be asked to remove his cross?

[PennBF]

What is really ironic is the people who are advertising they are following their Christian Faith are the same ones violating it's premise. The last I saw it was not Christian to brag about your faith and make your neighbor who may be Jewish or Muslim,etc to feel
uncomfortable which is exactly what happens when you boast about your religion. It is fine to have a cross in the yard when it is Christmas or Easter as it is an appropriate way of celebrating that particular holiday. To justify a bold sign type of notice that you are Christian is totally inappropriate according to the source you are using to make the statement to look me"which is the intent". :pray:

[mollyb]

Amen!

[Kenswing]

:) That's one opinion..... I think people that agree to follow rules and then don't suck even more. And I also think that people that defend the rule breakers suck the most. This is all just IMHO. :ho:
Sure is a lot of sucking going on.. :popcorn:

[tootcpop]

If you attach it to your home it is apparently acceptable.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You might want to ask any community standards people that knock on your door for ID. It is my understanding that they communicate any perceived offense in writinging through the mail. Also, correct me if I am wrong. There was a flap about crosses last year that went to the courts. The outcome, if I remember correctly, was that the removal of crosses could not be unforced due to religious feeedom or svonething along those lines. Can anybody confirm this.

I believe an exception was made for that one particular person. The thing about religious freedom is - you have to present evidence that your religion requires you to do a thing, before you try to hide behind religion as your excuse.

That was the reason for my previous post in this thread: show me in your bible where it says your religion requires you to place a white cross on your front lawn, and I will absolutely positively respect your right to do so.

But there is no such requirement in anyone's religion. And so - no. That particular activity would not be protected by the constitution.

Neither is putting a creche on your front yard during Christmas time. Or setting up a Christmas tree, or hanging eggs for Easter, or putting up a blow-up menorah for Chanukah, or any other of those things people do for holidays under the guise of "religious freedom."

[njbchbum]

Is there an online link somewhere that I could use to find out what the deed restrictions are for outdoor decorations in district 12?

Specific DeedRestrictions are here:
VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict-SumterCounty.aspx)

External Deed Restriction Standards are located here: VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx) but I have not seen it updated with same for District #12. Likely no matter since withe the exception of the historic side in Lady Lake, all of them are the same pretty much.

[njbchbum]

Would have thought the villages would have been more uniform as to standards.

If you haven't noticed, there is quite a bit of uniformity in many ways around the Villages. One of those ways is in External Deed Restriction Standards VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx)

The fact that they are so different for the 3 original Villages is likely due to grandfathering because of the amount of time between their development and development across the highway. Just my opinion!

[BamaBoy451]

If you haven't noticed, there is quite a bit of uniformity in many ways around the Villages. One of those ways is in External Deed Restriction Standards VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx)

The fact that they are so different for the 3 original Villages is likely due to grandfathering because of the amount of time between their development and development across the highway. Just my opinion!

The differences would be because of existing restrictions at the time. districts 1-4 would be a lot different than the newer ones not so much because of grandfathering but those were the contracts signed at that time.

[PennBF]

It is interesting the responses to this issue are mainly "non committal"! This is clearly a question which can be answered by yes the law of the deed restrictions is right or no the deed restrictions should be ignored. In looking at a large sample of the responses the vast
majority avoided a yes or no and relied on an explanation as to alternatives, its a shame there are troll's that do this, I understand your concern's, and so on. Why ride the fence rather than taking a stand? I wonder if this is the general profile of input to TOTV? :ohdear:

[Villageswimmer]

The Trolls are employees of the Villages. The Villages uses this way to keep their hands clean so that they can say somebody complained. The trolls have no BALLS to confront anybody. Fair warning at some point in time the trolls identity will be found out and then The Villages management will really have a big problem.


Ha! This is a new one.
Where do I apply? I’m all for sticking to the standards to which we all agreed.

[skip0358]

The rules are the rules but. One thing I don't understand is my front yard has to be to the letter of the law but WHY does a rear yard that faces a road not have to follow the rules? There are rear yards the look like XXXX and that's ok but boy my little white cross was a no no also.

[Joe V.]

Specific DeedRestrictions are here:
VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict-SumterCounty.aspx)

External Deed Restriction Standards are located here: VCDD Community Standards (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/DistrictAdoptedRules.aspx) but I have not seen it updated with same for District #12. Likely no matter since withe the exception of the historic side in Lady Lake, all of them are the same pretty much.

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[Marathon Man]

The rules are the rules but. One thing I don't understand is my front yard has to be to the letter of the law but WHY does a rear yard that faces a road not have to follow the rules? There are rear yards the look like XXXX and that's ok but boy my little white cross was a no no also.

Nothing in the restrictions state that they apply only to front yards.

[skip0358]

Nothing in the restrictions state that they apply only to front yards.

Correct but why are almost all complaints about front yards. A backyard that faces a street has 2 front yards in theory but back yards rarely are turned in and believe there are many violations but I don't turn people in & could care less. I moved mine when I was turned in so be it.

[Marathon Man]

Correct but why are almost all complaints about front yards. A backyard that faces a street has 2 front yards in theory but back yards rarely are turned in and believe there are many violations but I don't turn people in & could care less. I moved mine when I was turned in so be it.

Maybe because you can't see most back yards. Add to that the mistaken notion that restrictions do not apply to back yards, and so many believe that what the see is ok.

[JoMar]

Maybe because you can't see most back yards. Add to that the mistaken notion that restrictions do not apply to back yards, and so many believe that what the see is ok.

There was a backyard on Hillsborough Trail that was turned in because their landscaping was over the line. Had to tear it out and replant inside the line. There was a gnome turned in on the front yard in Polo Ridge. He moved it to the back of the house which faced the golf course. Doesn't appear golfers are reporting it :)

[Villageswimmer]

The rules are the rules but. One thing I don't understand is my front yard has to be to the letter of the law but WHY does a rear yard that faces a road not have to follow the rules? There are rear yards the look like XXXX and that's ok but boy my little white cross was a no no also.


Yes. There is a real doozy on Pinellas across from Bradenton Rec with a nautical theme complete with a fake dock and ropes.

[MEbner2805]

Those reporting deed violations are anonymous! No revenge will be carried out by anyone! 🤦*♀️

[Yung Dum]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!
I think the historic side is the only part of The Villages with any charm or personality. It's a shame all of us can't show some color or originality in our bland neighborhoods.

[PennBF]

Am I the only one that thinks a "Pink Plastic Flamingo" in the front yard is an affront to any normal thinking person. Or a white cross in the front yard which is clearly meant to indicate this is a"Christian" community and you might not be welcome if you are Jewish or Muslim? How about homes that look like they are a whole sale rock yard business? And then we have the ones who have to boast about their political preference using their front yards to try to convince people to follow their lead. What other terrible reasons are some of the owners using to disgrace our wonderful community?? Yes, I am totally in favor of DEED RESTRICTIONS and the control of those who want to express their personal ideas by using my community to do so. You signed the promise when you bought now do so. :ohdear:

[Jayhawk]

Am I the only one that thinks a "Pink Plastic Flamingo" in the front yard is an affront to any normal thinking person. Or a white cross in the front yard which is clearly meant to indicate this is a"Christian" community and you might not be welcome if you are Jewish or Muslim? How about homes that look like they are a whole sale rock yard business? And then we have the ones who have to boast about their political preference using their front yards to try to convince people to follow their lead. What other terrible reasons are some of the owners using to disgrace our wonderful community?? Yes, I am totally in favor of DEED RESTRICTIONS and the control of those who want to express their personal ideas by using my community to do so. You signed the promise when you bought now do so. :ohdear:

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

[trichard]

Right on! Follow the rules. Respect our community standards or move out.

[crash]

Approximately two weeks ago a community standards representative came by and told me I must remove the white cross from my front yard. It was apparently reported by a “troll“. I have taken the necessary steps to correct this deficiency. However, in going around our community in tall trees I find white crosses all over the place, along with other numerous violations of yard ornaments and and unkept yards. I don’t know if I was one person who they singled out for some reason or nobody else has taken care of any violations that had been reported. If the person who reported me for the cross would like to come by my house at 2166 Smoaks , I would be happy to introduce them to my style of religion.

There is a law suit over this issue and the way the rules are enforced. You may get to put it back fairly soon.

[PennBF]

How sad that someone or multi someones are suing to restore a "Lawn Ornament that is a Cross" in order to try to force the total Community to allow personal choice's as lawn Ornaments! We are Christian's but don't need to brag about it as it is a personal matter and we respect all beliefs and religions as long as they are within the limits of the law. I am surprised some of the Ministers, Preachers, etc have not spoken up to defend the need to respect all beliefs and religions. We have wonderful Jewish Neighbors and I am ashamed to see them have to one more time overlook the racism indications by allowing the embarrassement display of what could be construed as anti non christian.:ohdear:

[Marathon Man]

There is a law suit over this issue and the way the rules are enforced. You may get to put it back fairly soon.

Don't hold your breath.

[Two Bills]

I heard that when they find a vaccine for the virus, the micro chip implant injected at the same time, will be able to track Deed Restriction infringements as well!:icon_wink:

[bumpygreens]

The original idea behind the small white crosses was: "Spread the word without saying a word". That isn't biblical. Nowhere in the Bible were we told to be passive about our faith. Have you ever read a news article about the success of a passive search and rescue? I haven't. You can look at this as someone's objection to your beliefs, or as someone else nudging you to get up and live your beliefs. If you prefer to cling to the passive route, look into getting your driveway painted. I've seen some beautiful designs that incorporate religious symbols.

[Marathon Man]

Am I the only one that thinks a "Pink Plastic Flamingo" in the front yard is an affront to any normal thinking person. Or a white cross in the front yard which is clearly meant to indicate this is a"Christian" community and you might not be welcome if you are Jewish or Muslim? How about homes that look like they are a whole sale rock yard business? And then we have the ones who have to boast about their political preference using their front yards to try to convince people to follow their lead. What other terrible reasons are some of the owners using to disgrace our wonderful community?? Yes, I am totally in favor of DEED RESTRICTIONS and the control of those who want to express their personal ideas by using my community to do so. You signed the promise when you bought now do so. :ohdear:

You certainly are not the only one who thinks that way. People who like the current system have no reason to become vocal.

[crash]

How sad that someone or multi someones are suing to restore a "Lawn Ornament that is a Cross" in order to try to force the total Community to allow personal choice's as lawn Ornaments! We are Christian's but don't need to brag about it as it is a personal matter and we respect all beliefs and religions as long as they are within the limits of the law. I am surprised some of the Ministers, Preachers, etc have not spoken up to defend the need to respect all beliefs and religions. We have wonderful Jewish Neighbors and I am ashamed to see them have to one more time overlook the racism indications by allowing the embarrassement display of what could be construed as anti non christian.:ohdear:

The main part of the lawsuit brought by the ACLU is the way the rules are enforced. I believe the way the rules are enforced will be changed because of the suit.

[JoMar]

The main part of the lawsuit brought by the ACLU is the way the rules are enforced. I believe the way the rules are enforced will be changed because of the suit.

Hopefully not

[CanTho]

Why put a cross outside in front of your home, ? Why not in your back garden. I really don't get it.

How would you like it if all of a sudden a Hammer & Sickle were displayed here and there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why put a cross outside in front of your home, ? Why not in your back garden. I really don't get it.

How would you like it if all of a sudden a Hammer & Sickle were displayed here and there.

Or a pentagram, like this:

Cast Iron Pentagram / Pentacle Yard Stake Wiccan Witch | #169997310 (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/cast-iron-pentagram-pentacle-yard-169997310)

[Villageswimmer]

The main part of the lawsuit brought by the ACLU is the way the rules are enforced. I believe the way the rules are enforced will be changed because of the suit.

IF true, this unfortunate and will end up costing us, the residents, money. Can you cite a source for this information?

[graciegirl]

The main part of the lawsuit brought by the ACLU is the way the rules are enforced. I believe the way the rules are enforced will be changed because of the suit.

I think you are just whistling Dixie fellow. It won't happen, it shouldn't be brought. It is a nuisance and an expense to fight such things that are accepted AND appreciated by an enormous majority here. I am so tired of the minority view pushing, pushing, pushing. here there and everywhere.

[LG999]

I do not see the problem in having a cross in your yard unless perhaps it was unusually large. We are always able to fly and display the United States flag as long as we follow flag protocol. I would put them back up.

[graciegirl]

I do not see the problem in having a cross in your yard unless perhaps it was unusually large. We are always able to fly and display the United States flag as long as we follow flag protocol. I would put them back up.

The deed restrictions allow them to be placed close to your home, under the eaves. This isn't about religion, although some try to make it so. It is about not being able to put yard art out. We all think we have excellent taste but sadly that isn't so. The deed restrictions were there when all moved here. Many of us sought to live in another deed restricted community so that our property values held steady.

[lkagele]

Here's an idea. The deed restrictions allow "season" decorations for up 30 days. "Season"is not defined. So, celebrate the "season" of January for 30 days then take your decoration down for 1 day. Then, put it back up on February 1 to celebrate the season of February. Rinse, repeat every month and you're good to go.

[Bjeanj]

Here's an idea. The deed restrictions allow "season" decorations for up 30 days. "Season"is not defined. So, celebrate the "season" of January for 30 days then take your decoration down for 1 day. Then, put it back up on February 1 to celebrate the season of February. Rinse, repeat every month and you're good to go.

So, you are in favor of “gaming the system”?

[lkagele]

So, you are in favor of “gaming the system”?

Sure. Why not? I bet you do the same "gaming" multiple times per day. Every time you exceed the speed limit in your auto or cart, you're 'gaming the system'. Do you take 'gimmies' when putting? That could be classified as 'gaming the system'.

If the Standards Committee had their own folks out monitoring for compliance, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Instead, they respond to anonymous complainers. I and a lot of others, however, don't like that anonymous aspect of the current system. It gives me the impression of cowardliness. I think it's some retired bureaucrat bullying people simply because they can.

[bgnn54]

Yes! If you would like to see what your Village can become without lawn ornament/yard art restrictions, take a ride thru the historic side's original villages!

Don't like the historic side? Then please DON"T come here.

[Marathon Man]

Sure. Why not? I bet you do the same "gaming" multiple times per day. Every time you exceed the speed limit in your auto or cart, you're 'gaming the system'. Do you take 'gimmies' when putting? That could be classified as 'gaming the system'.

If the Standards Committee had their own folks out monitoring for compliance, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Instead, they respond to anonymous complainers. I and a lot of others, however, don't like that anonymous aspect of the current system. It gives me the impression of cowardliness. I think it's some retired bureaucrat bullying people simply because they can.

It is this kind of thinking that demands a system that allows reports to be made by those who are concerned about retaliation. "You are a coward. Come and face me like a man".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Don't like the historic side? Then please DON"T come here.

I bet my tacky pink flamingo can beat your white cross AND your garden gnome, while standing on one leg.

I'll take my pickup truck off the cinderblocks and drive over to your single-wide and challenge you to a yard duel!

:icon_wink:

[JoMar]

Sure. Why not? I bet you do the same "gaming" multiple times per day. Every time you exceed the speed limit in your auto or cart, you're 'gaming the system'. Do you take 'gimmies' when putting? That could be classified as 'gaming the system'.

If the Standards Committee had their own folks out monitoring for compliance, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Instead, they respond to anonymous complainers. I and a lot of others, however, don't like that anonymous aspect of the current system. It gives me the impression of cowardliness. I think it's some retired bureaucrat bullying people simply because they can.

I don't care who monitors compliance, as long as the folks that live here stand up to what they agreed to. Apparently this poster doesn't believe in taking responsibility for what they signed. Fortunately, most of us do and the trolls, neighbors that make the call anonymously or reporting by any other means support us since the deed restrictions are one of the reasons we moved here. If you want to live in a community that supports trashing please go.

[blueash]

I think you are just whistling Dixie fellow. It won't happen, it shouldn't be brought. It is a nuisance and an expense to fight such things that are accepted AND appreciated by an enormous majority here. I am so tired of the minority view pushing, pushing, pushing. here there and everywhere.

The blanket statement that that what the majority wants should stand and those who push against it are a nuisance for pushing their opposition is simply wrong. I personally support the deed restrictions and include crosses in things that are included in the prohibition, but I welcome the efforts of those making "good trouble". And I hope they will lose.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Here's the thing: rules are rules. However, sometimes, rules become obsolete. The world evolves, and rules have to be capable of evolving as well. If that weren't the case, we'd still have slavery, we'd still have Salem witch trials, alcohol would still be illegal, and you'd be stoned to death if you were caught having an affair.

This community began over 30 years ago. I'm guessing that most, if not all, of the original residents are dead, replaced by the next generation. Many of THOSE people are now dead or in assisted living or similar, replaced by the generation after that.

Do you really think the new generation LIKES every single deed restriction? Do you truly believe that every single resident agrees with every single rule, and that none of them would love the opportunity to tweak them a little, to accommodate the next sets of generations to follow? Do you think that the tastes of 60-year-old people back in the 1990's are exactly the same as the tastes of 60-year-old people in 2020? Do you honestly believe that everyone who moves to the Villages thinks "nope, I agree with every single rule, there isn't a single rule that I don't really like, but will live with because the rest of the rules are fine?"

Some of the restrictions aren't even enforceable, because state or federal law supersedes them.

The #1 example would be the no TV antenna restriction. It is not enforceable. By law. The Villages is not -allowed- to enforce that restriction. Therefore, the restriction is obsolete, and should be either removed, or an addendum written to declare that the ARC will not attempt to enforce it, even if it has to remain in the deed. The "no clotheslines" restriction - cannot be enforced, by law.

There are also differences between "deed restrictions" and "community standards." The deed restrictions are not all that detailed. I've read most of them, because I couldn't figure out which one applied to my property when we were looking to buy.

The community standards are detailed. They specify the exact color palette allowed for painting a house, the material allowed for replacing the siding or roof, the types of grass allowed to be planted, the proportions of stone to growing landscaping allowed, etc. etc. etc. Those things can ALL be changed, they are not part of the actual covenants.

A cross can be re-categorized as a religious symbol, rather than a lawn ornament. A planter shaped like a garden gnome can be changed from "allowed, because it's a planter" to "not allowed, because it is intentionally bypassing the no garden gnome rule."

All these fuzzy little details can be changed, even with the existing restrictions, because the restrictions are not detailed and it's up to the ARC/Community Standards people to decide which details apply, and which don't.

[PennBF]

As they say, "the bottom line" is there are laws governing the homes in the Village's. Every person/owner signed up that they would adhere to the laws (Deed Restrictions) of The Villages. Now some want to violate what they signed up to and they want approvals to violate the law, (Deed Restrictions). It would be comical if it didn't have the potential of allowing all sorts of 'I want" to be put on yards. In one case it even led to a case on one reader challenging another to a confrontation! How crazy can it get. In another case a reader compared it to speeding. Using that as an example of a driver arguing with the cop that stopped them that the law is wrong and they should be able to do whatever they want. REPEATING THE BOTTOM LINE ..THE LAW IS THE LAW. OUR LAW IS DEED RESTRICTIONS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM WHICH BY THE WAY YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT TO ABIDE BY THEM THEN MOVE TO A COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS YOUR WHIMS TO BE PLACED IN YOUR YARD. FOR ME, I AM THANKFUL FOR THE "TROLL"S" AS THEY ARE GREAT AT POLICING THE YARDS AND PROTECTING THE DEED RESTRICTION LAWS".:ohdear:

[Heyitsrick]

I'm very interested to learn which religion requires its adherents to stick white crosses on their lawns. Is that some off-shoot of Christianity? Because I searched the old testament, and the new, and even the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic texts and the Talmud, and I find absolutely zero reference to "white cross" or "front lawn."

I do see that you must bind the ten commandments as a sign upon your gates, but that is the law for the mezuzzah and it goes on the frame of your door, or can be affixed to your actual gate, if you have one. And, that would only be if you're Jewish - and it wouldn't be a cross. And it doesn't have to be white.

So, essentially you're saying that white crosses aren't religious symbols, and shouldn't be characterized as such. That doesn't mean they couldn't be "lawn ornaments" as a deed restriction might prohibit, but your research as you state it finds no biblical references to white crosses. So, surely they can't be deemed as Christian symbols, right? Of course, insofar as anyone knows, there were no "front lawns" as we would understand them today in biblical times.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm wondering if it's OK to display the white cross in the window of your home facing the street. A few years ago they did away with For Sale signs on the lawns and allowed them in the windows. I see political signs in windows so I wonder if crosses and anything else that you might want to display are allowed in the window.

[PennBF]

I think it is safe to say that a cross in your yard will not buy you a little piece of Heaven! You will be judged by your deeds!!:pray:

[blueash]

I think it is safe to say that a cross in your yard will not buy you a little piece of Heaven! You will be judged by your deeds!!:pray:

Deeds!! I see what you did there

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, essentially you're saying that white crosses aren't religious symbols, and shouldn't be characterized as such. That doesn't mean they couldn't be "lawn ornaments" as a deed restriction might prohibit, but your research as you state it finds no biblical references to white crosses. So, surely they can't be deemed as Christian symbols, right? Of course, insofar as anyone knows, there were no "front lawns" as we would understand them today in biblical times.

No, I'm saying very specifically that unless your religion requires you to put a white cross on your lawn, then the placement of that cross on the front lawn, specifically, as opposed to any other color cross, anywhere else on your property, is NOT protected by "freedom of religion."

You can put that white cross on the doorpost of your house. You can put it in your back yard. You can put it anywhere inside your house and from what some posters claim here, in some of the villages, you can put it under the eaves of your domicile.

The excuse people use for putting them there is "my religion says I should display a cross." And maybe it does. But I've seen no religious text requiring that anyone display a WHITE cross, on the FRONT lawn.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm wondering if it's OK to display the white cross in the window of your home facing the street. A few years ago they did away with For Sale signs on the lawns and allowed them in the windows. I see political signs in windows so I wonder if crosses and anything else that you might want to display are allowed in the window.

As far as I know there are no restrictions about religious symbols inside the home against the window.

[tagjr1]

The cross has nothing to do with Christmas!

[skip0358]

I agree the rules are the rules and I signed a piece of paper saying I agreed to abide by the rules. However since TV doesn't enforce the rules and relies on the tattletales to do the job for them then the tattletales should turn in everybody that has violations period. Two houses side by side with the same violation one gets turned in the other doesn't that's just wrong period! I'm not talking the white cross to me that's just stupid. Read your restrictions some day when your bored then ride down your block and look around you'd be amazed and that's only the one's you can see in the front yards never mind the rear yard shrub plantings in the utility right of ways etc. Now I'm done I vented for the day! Enjoy your day and be safe!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Anything that affects property values ,I’m against . While I may not mind your theme park of statues across the street, maybe some potential buyers doesn’t want to look at some petting zoo. As for the crosses I sense some arrogance about them
, you know the type I’m a better Christian then you because I show it . I think some of these people would be complaining if there neighbor put up a pentagram in there front yard, just like I want a manger on public land at Christmas but I don’t want a Buddha or atheist symbol . Many people on here wish for the old days here , well I was here in the old days and the family was very strict about rules , the neighborhood watch was around giving out cards even for a few weeds .Im a city dweller and in cities you have chaos and that’s fine and In planned communities you have compliance and that’s fine also